Dennis Rox
The 'Dennis Rox' podcast is a deep dive into the intricacies of personal development, self-growth, and the obstacles one may face on the way. Hosted by Eldar with regular guests Mike, Anatoliy, Phillip and Katherine, and Tommy the conversations explore themes such as anxiety, self-sabotage, the pursuit of happiness beyond materialism, and the complexities of love and relationships. Other topics include the impact of societal values on personal fulfillment, humility, and the often misconceived notions of success and wealth.
Through personal stories, philosophical debates, and thoughtful discussions, they explore various aspects of challenging one self and achieving personal growth. The conversation often shifts from individual experiences to broader societal critiques and is characterized by a focus on depth and seeking genuine understanding over superficial conclusions.
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131. Trust Under the Microscope: "Trust Me" phrase is an insult.
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Can trust be truly unconditional, or is it inherently flawed? This episode kicks off with a compelling exploration of trust in relationships, challenging the very foundations of how we trust others. Through lively debates and personal anecdotes, we unravel the intricacies of trust—how it is built, maintained, and sometimes devastatingly broken. We question the wisdom of blind trust and argue that true trust requires deep understanding and continuous experiences. This conversation isn't just theoretical; it's packed with real-life stories that will make you rethink your own perspectives on trust.
Switching gears, we dive into the heated world of NFL quarterback contracts, focusing on the contentious case of Daniel Jones of the New York Giants. With his $160 million contract under scrutiny, we debate whether Jones deserves such a hefty pay, comparing him to other high-profile quarterbacks like Patrick Mahomes. Expect some fiery opinions and even a humorous bet that will keep you entertained. Alongside this, we discuss the idea of second favorite teams, reflecting the frustrations and loyalties of die-hard sports fans who are less than thrilled with their team's current performance.
Family dynamics and communication woes come to the forefront in another segment, as we share personal stories about navigating long-standing issues and misunderstandings with loved ones. From the impact of therapy to the struggles of convincing a parent of your decisions, our discussion delves into the emotional complexities of family relationships. We emphasize the role of compassion and understanding, and how trust and honesty are pivotal in both personal and professional settings. Join us for an episode packed with humor, candor, and insightful reflections that urge you to rethink how you navigate trust in all areas of life.
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On this week's episode. The truth of the matter is nobody should actually trust. If you have certain doubts, you should be like hey, bro, I do trust you with some stuff, but some stuff I don't trust you. And that's the truth of the matter, yes or no?
Speaker 2:Yeah, someone's requesting you to trust them. They're acknowledging that you don't understand what's going on and you don't have the capability of understanding what's going on.
Speaker 3:So every time you guys told me to trust you're in good hands, Every time you guys told me to trust you're in good hands, Basically telling me I'm a fucking idiot.
Speaker 1:Call your mom right now and tell her this. If that's fake news, call her right now. What Say, hey mom, everything we knew about trust is actually dead. She's going to think.
Speaker 3:I'm drunk or high. Let's hear it. Hello, hey you busy.
Speaker 1:Trust. Does it exist? Is it it real? Is it possible blind trust? What is it? I don't like this and are you really in good hands?
Speaker 3:this topic's really.
Speaker 1:You know, we really went over this today, man yeah, but you know we have to go over it the whole week in order for us to really be convinced that you understand, that you might not even the whole.
Speaker 2:You have to go over it for a lifetime.
Speaker 3:Yo man, listen, Really. You totally. You gotta learn to accept the little things man Like this, right here. This is a simple thing to accept, right? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Explain to us what that is, or are you a drunk and you should be cut off?
Speaker 3:Fuck you bro, Are you?
Speaker 1:drunk now.
Speaker 3:No, Tully has a problem accepting little things man.
Speaker 1:What little things, Besides the one in your pants. I think he's accepting all that. Fuck you bro.
Speaker 2:I'm accepting that you're a tiny pecker.
Speaker 3:I'm average man. You have the inverted pe.
Speaker 1:Fuck you, man All right, fine, what you got. What's the small things that Tully can't accept? I don't know All right good, he can't really accept anything. You're a drunk. No, he can't accept anything bro. No, he can. Yes, he can Look. The question is Tully. The question is it's a longstanding question about trust. Is it possible? Can we do it? Can it be done? How can it be done? Do you trust your mama, and is it? Can it be permanent, or is it just moment to moment?
Speaker 3:Trust. Trust can be permanent as long as it's kept.
Speaker 1:What does that mean? What does that mean?
Speaker 3:What does kept mean? You don't break someone's trust. That's it.
Speaker 1:Okay, but give me an example of like you were riding with us. You were in good hands, you felt like you were in good hands and then you didn't.
Speaker 3:I was. I'm not going to mention who, but I was sabotaged.
Speaker 2:Why can't you mention who you were compromised?
Speaker 1:Okay, fine it was the crispier. But listen, how and why, right? So what trust is just like a thing where it's like it just can go away just in the moment, in the flash of a moment.
Speaker 3:No, it's more like people have to learn to basically blank shit out, you know like let it go out one ear, one out the other.
Speaker 2:Well, they have that famous line right. It's been said like for a long time Trust is earned, not given. Trust is earned, not given.
Speaker 1:Trust is earned, not given. Okay, what about the person that needs to be trusting?
Speaker 2:Well, that's the thing. I think it works like the reverse. So like there's different, I think, like like they're, they're like trusted, like the word trust, I think, kind of means different things. Do you trust someone to do something? Do you trust them with you telling them something and them not telling maybe others or something?
Speaker 4:Do you trust them in a relationship.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do you trust them to complete a particular task? Yeah, do you trust them like like, for example, right, if, if if you ask me like yo, like uh, yo, totally, we have like uh, six people over, can you pick up some bread? Right, you call me that. Do you trust I'll get enough? Yeah, and probably one. That's like pretty good? Yeah, right, but maybe someone else, like I don't know, if you send like your dad or someone and he's cheap, yeah, he may get like some whole wheat or something you're calling out.
Speaker 3:All right, I'm okay with that yeah, like.
Speaker 2:So that's that. That's like you trust them with those kind of decisions. Because you maybe say or, or like, if we're talking about food for like ufc and you're like, um, why don't you get creative right? Like we're not sure if I guess if it's going to be potentially really good or not, but I think that you trust that I can look up some creative things, right?
Speaker 1:no, like that, no no, because no, yeah, yeah, like, when it comes to like creative, it can be really like you gotta call tommy. You might, yeah, you might feel a certain type of way about creative and I might feel a certain type of way about creative, but ultimately I think it's like me you just don't have a maybe a ground on creative food in order to say sure you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:we don't have enough of that, sure, okay, fine, like what? What comes to mind in your creative food wise, and I like? I'll think about one right now.
Speaker 2:I will well, if you tell me to get creative off the bat, you're telling me something that we don't typically have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it has to be completely new, that's number one, and then it has to be probably, in my mind a little bit fancy. Okay, time out. That's in my mind the same thing, and it has to be like chicken. A complicated chicken.
Speaker 2:It has to be a complicated chicken, so it has to be homemade.
Speaker 3:Is what you're saying to be creative? Not at all. No, because totally we were talking about this before. I said you know we can order from some other place, like a wing place, and totally he's like you know, when he hears wings, it has to be homemade.
Speaker 2:No, it doesn't need to be. But when I hear someone tell me to get creative, I don't think about ordering something now. No, it doesn't need to be.
Speaker 1:When I hear someone tell me to get creative, I don't think about ordering something now Bro.
Speaker 3:I want to give people a context. Maybe they cannot shoot an email on their opinions. Let's do that. Let me explain what's the American thing to do If you're watching a fucking sport game, like we're planning this weekend to watch UFC do push-ups and wave the American flag. Do you get up from watching the fucking game?
Speaker 2:and cook Hell. No, you tell the woman to go in the kitchen and fucking order some wings or make some Well, you're talking about no women in this thing.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, alright. Bunch of dudes. We don't have women because you ain't got no fucking wife man. Okay, but the whole fucking point, bro Right.
Speaker 1:But you're trying to make a case to be his wife or no.
Speaker 3:What the hell he needs.
Speaker 1:a wife, bro Are you trying to make a case to be his wife? No, fuck you. No, just so you can imagine, fuck you.
Speaker 2:He's already taking.
Speaker 3:Let's put it this way right, we're sitting down watching UFC. You don't fucking make something, bro. This is your mistake. Man bro, the whole point of a fucking match is ordering in.
Speaker 2:He sounds like a combination of Nate Diaz and Cat Williams together. Oh, fuck you man.
Speaker 1:I have to think about it now.
Speaker 3:I have to remember what those two characters sound like, bro in the US when we're in the middle of a fucking sports match, you don't fucking do that. You fucking order in, you get it delivered to your fucking door and you get back to your fucking match. Point blank, bro. This is the American way, point blank.
Speaker 1:No, no, it's a good argument, you guys are always talking about cooking, man. Yeah, but what if you're not really about that way? He's talking about cooking man. Yeah, but what if you're not really about that way? What if you want?
Speaker 3:to make your own way. You guys are all about that way, man. You got bets all the time, man, on this shit.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, but we also enjoy cooking. I totally enjoy cooking. I enjoy good food.
Speaker 3:You got to split up your fucking time, man. Yeah, but we also enjoy good food.
Speaker 1:You got to split up your time. Sometimes we can't just order something in and be like, oh, this is really good. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:Consistency, I think it's also satisfying if we do something and it actually comes out good.
Speaker 3:When I'm in the middle of something. I guess that's where we're different in another way, because first of all, you're not allowed to touch anything when it comes to the kitchen of food.
Speaker 1:That's negative For now. Are you making a challenge? Are you going to cook something I can cook at home, bro? Okay, what do you got? Totally, we might have to get really creative this weekend, we don't need to be creative at all we know the answers right here what are you going to make?
Speaker 3:I can make cheese.
Speaker 4:Is he going to make?
Speaker 3:corn kebabs? Yo, there's no corn kebabs, man. What's wrong with you? Fuck you Bro the difference between us right when. I'm watching sports, right, whether it be football, baseball, boxing, ufc. 30 yards minus 10 yards, fuck you, okay. Okay, I'm in the middle of something here. Okay, go fuck yourself, all right, but basically.
Speaker 1:How many yards is it from now?
Speaker 3:When. I'm in the middle of something. Okay, that's it, bro. When I'm watching a fucking match, I ain't got time to fucking do all this other shit.
Speaker 4:Man, I'm in the zone man, I got money on that shit.
Speaker 1:Have you ever been? Have you ever watched a game from A to Z, from start to finish? I have you have. Yeah, what's the percentage of that game that you actually understand?
Speaker 3:What sport are you talking about? Football, football. I understand all of it, bro. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:I can't wait to watch a football game with you.
Speaker 2:He said he likes watching on Sundays?
Speaker 3:You don't watch football, man.
Speaker 1:I've never heard you talk to Tully about football on Sundays.
Speaker 3:I didn't think any of you liked football until recently, bro, think about this.
Speaker 2:Think about this I don't like football Sunday. Sunday, my deck 70-inch screen, it's what we do. Football, it's what we do.
Speaker 3:This is what we do. You don't do shit, man.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? You don't watch football, man? Yeah, but I can get into it If I see you into it and you really know your shit, because I'm going to have a lot of questions because I don't know football like that. You have to be able to answer those things. How long you been in America, bro?
Speaker 3:no, it got nothing to do with it, man. Okay, fine, it got nothing to do with it. 20 plus years and you don't run no football, man, mm-hmm, 28 years. Okay, let me tell you something, right.
Speaker 1:I know some stuff about football.
Speaker 3:Football is the most.
Speaker 1:American, you're going to fucking get man.
Speaker 3:Probably. Yeah, no, you don't. I've been watching this shit since I was fucking 70.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but watching it and comprehending it is two different things.
Speaker 3:Bro, who's the kicker on the Kansas City Chiefs?
Speaker 1:My question would be completely different. Who's? The kicker. What is the longest kick that has ever been attempted?
Speaker 3:Longest kick that has ever been attempted, yeah and made. Or longest kick that has been made Made yeah, go ahead. Longest kick that's been made yeah, it was at 66 yards by Tucker.
Speaker 2:I think it's somewhere in the range. I think Tucker either holds it or that Kansas City guy. Nope, tucker, he's ranked number one.
Speaker 3:His jersey is currently in the NFL Hall of Fame with the longest kick in NFL history along with his jersey. That's believable, okay, fine, okay. The second best kicker is Bucker, who's Kansas City Chiefs. The third is Elliot in Eagles. Do you know some?
Speaker 2:stuff totally or no? Who's the running back of the Eagles right now?
Speaker 3:Squadron who Former Giants running back Squadron. Yeah, I don't know how to pronounce his name Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1:Squadron Listen, you got the ball over the net.
Speaker 3:Don't even fucking start with me on that, bro. That's some bullshit.
Speaker 2:Who's running back of the Jets right now?
Speaker 3:I'm going to be honest with you I don't know bro, that ain't my team.
Speaker 2:Whose is your team?
Speaker 3:That ain't my team Giants. That's why I'm salty about fucking Saquon going to the fucking Eagles.
Speaker 2:bro, Name me four wide receivers in the Giants.
Speaker 3:Current wide receivers yes, I stopped watching them. You said you were their fan, bro, the fucking past couple years. How would the Giants give Daniel Jones that big of a fucking contract when he sucks?
Speaker 1:ass. Listen, I don't know the details. Here you can only get a real reaction Sucks ass.
Speaker 2:He doesn't know Elder, so he stopped watching.
Speaker 3:I stopped watching the Giants. Bro, he's not a real fan.
Speaker 2:I decided to choose a secondants bro he's not a real fan. I decided to choose a second team. I'm not a fan of any team out there. Just in general, I enjoy watching this sport what kind of bullshit is that? And it is, in general, one of the best sports to watch.
Speaker 3:Okay, hold up. I decided to choose a second team because I couldn't stand to watch my Giants until they get a better quarterback. They need to drop that motherfucker. Drop him like a hat. Eli Manning Eli Manning's retired bro. Oh, I'm sorry he's been retired. The only reason Daniel Jones got the job is because Eli Manning recommended him. Daniel Jones got the job because Daniel Jones went to their summer camp of Eli and Peyton and that pisses you off or no? That pisses me the fuck off Really.
Speaker 1:So wait wait, wait, sort of like how you got the job here, right?
Speaker 3:Fuck you. That's different, bro.
Speaker 1:Okay, I know.
Speaker 3:This motherfucker's getting paid over $200 million. Bro. Fuck that shit. He didn't earn that shit. He's not $200 million, he's got a contract with over $200 million.
Speaker 2:No, I got $1,000 on that, oh Wait.
Speaker 1:Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We have to put the bet down.
Speaker 3:We have to put the bet in Put the phone down right now. What's the bet? What's the bet?
Speaker 2:What's the bet? I have to redone my hair green. No, I want something else. What do you want? I don't know this is a good one it's whatever you want to lose, because I'm 1000% right over what's 1000%?
Speaker 3:it's not around 200 million he's saying it's under you're saying it's over.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't even know the exact amount that it is actually Wow, Wow.
Speaker 1:Do you know your shit or no?
Speaker 3:I know it's around 200 million.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? Around now You're going down a little bit. It's over or not. It's over, it's over. Wow, we have to take it easy on him. How about just 10 bucks? What? How about 10 bucks?
Speaker 2:No, I want something that's going to like Hurt him Slightly, burn or be annoying. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:He has to take off his shoes in his house for the next week and walk around in his socks. Every time he comes in he's going to take off his shoes and his dad is going to ask, hey, why your shoes are off? He's like no going forward. We're going to have shoes off in the house.
Speaker 3:I got to work. That's it. I was going to say I was going to give you something better, but fuck it Yo and what do you want from me? When I was in the immediate office I was going to say I had to work shirtless.
Speaker 1:No, no, that's gay.
Speaker 3:Mike always tells me you got to wear a shirtless, bro, you got to take off the black shirt, all right.
Speaker 2:Yo no shoes in the house. What happens if he's right then what do I got to do A?
Speaker 3:thousand dollars Deal or no deal. He says it's under Yep, I say it's over yeah.
Speaker 1:That's a deal Deal or no deal.
Speaker 3:Damn, he's thinking about it, bro, he is man, he did say $1,000.
Speaker 1:Deal or no deal?
Speaker 2:No that would bet $1,000 for $1,000.
Speaker 1:No, but yeah, but come on, you said you were 1,000%.
Speaker 2:All right, well let's make it All right so deal $1,000.
Speaker 1:I insured for 50%.
Speaker 3:Daniel Jones contract Fuck how much $160 million, that's $40 million a year.
Speaker 2:That's still bullshit. And only half of it is guaranteed, so they don't have to give the other half.
Speaker 3:It's still a waste of money. I thought everything was guaranteed.
Speaker 2:No See, that's the thing. Nfl is the only sport that does this. Oh, it doesn't guarantee it. So, for example, his contract is $160 million over four years, but only $80 is guaranteed but, only 80 is guaranteed. So that means that it gives a team after year two flexibility. To be like yo. We can ban you. How many years? Four years, oh, that's a lot of money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's.
Speaker 2:Quarterbacks are going to be.
Speaker 1:Right now, quarterbacks are the most shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, quarterbacks are getting Like the top number one. Guys are getting about 52, 55.
Speaker 3:Let's put it this way.
Speaker 2:There is going to be this year or next year over 60 million a year.
Speaker 3:Patrick Mahomes is at what was his contract Over 400 million.
Speaker 2:His was 450 over 10 years, which is now cheap.
Speaker 3:That's a fucked up thing, bro. They're going to give him more, though you think so.
Speaker 2:You think they're going to readjust it, because he could just protest it and that's it.
Speaker 3:When have you ever seen a player protest?
Speaker 2:immediately after he signed. Yeah, but he didn't immediately sign.
Speaker 3:That happens all the time I heard the third year they don't have a contract. New contract, Then they protest.
Speaker 2:No, they protest all the time.
Speaker 3:Alright, let's put it this way. You wanted to know my second team.
Speaker 1:Well, listen, I don't want to know your second team. First of all, I want to get this bet right.
Speaker 3:You just lost the bet. I got to take my shoes off.
Speaker 1:At home. Every time you come home going forward for the next week, you have to take your shoes off and when your dad asks you tell him what Going forward. We're taking our shoes off in the house because we're going to make everything clean. Everything has to be clean. That's disgusting.
Speaker 3:And we're going to rearrange these fucking pillows.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Do you have hardwood floors or carpet?
Speaker 3:We have hardwood floors.
Speaker 2:That's still disgusting to walk around in shoes, I don't know what to tell you bro. Wait. So what happens when you're on the couch and you want to lay down?
Speaker 1:Oh my God, no one lays down on the couch man. What do you mean?
Speaker 3:nobody lays down on the couch, no, one lays down it's not allowed, like no, my dad sits on, wait, hold on.
Speaker 1:I'm going to ask this one question, and if the answer is this, we're not talking about this ever again. Is there still plastic on the couch? No, no Is there any couch in the house that has plastic on it?
Speaker 3:No, there used to be. My dad had bought an old vintage couch from the 70s that he absolutely fucking loved. Yeah, but he kept the plastic on it for a while and he's like you know what, fuck it, because it was from the fucking 70s. This shit was vintage. It was worth money.
Speaker 3:And he didn't want the cat scratching it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so he. So he kept it on, but eventually he's like I don't like the feeling of this, so he fucking ripped it off. Yeah, no, it's crazy, okay, but um, it was like red fucking Velvet, velvet, fucking feeling to it, bro Sick. But anyway, who asked who my second favorite team was?
Speaker 1:Nobody cares about this anymore.
Speaker 3:My 49ers baby, nobody cares about this. 49ers, there's one reason. Brock Purdy I got ultimate respect for him Last pick in the draft and he fucking starting quarterback bro, he's fucking kicked ass ever since he's been there. Okay, fine, what do you know about football?
Speaker 1:Everything that Tully knows. I'm going to go behind Tully, you can't do that.
Speaker 3:Yes, I can. You said Tully started teaching you football.
Speaker 1:Yes, totally. What did he?
Speaker 3:teach you.
Speaker 1:About basic things. You know basic rules and things, so you don't know Well when we watch this upcoming season.
Speaker 2:We're going to go over things.
Speaker 1:I'm going to ask questions no, you can't ask questions.
Speaker 3:You got to learn on your own man.
Speaker 1:I'm not allowed anymore you got to learn on your own. Listen. Let's get back to trust my friend. Football, football is boring bro what do you mean?
Speaker 3:it's boring in my eyes it's one of the most entertainment sports. Bro. Get that motherfucker. Don't let him get to that fucking end. Don't withdraw with you. Focus on your fucking job, man.
Speaker 1:I see you as a coach with those headphones on.
Speaker 3:No bro, I fucking scream at the TV if I don't like something bro I'm like a normal fucking football player. I'm rooting for a team, the fuck. I will literally get up and start fucking screaming at the TV, screaming at the fucking players through the TV. All right, fine, that's normal fucking football fans. While we're talking about you getting up?
Speaker 1:can you get up and get us some more beers, Please? Why does it always got to be me? Man, I can do it, but if you can do it, that'd be great. Thank you, sir. You need one too, man. I'm only a little past halfway bro, you nursing that shit is mad hot already.
Speaker 3:It's disgusting man.
Speaker 1:Half of it is your own spit. That's disgusting yeah.
Speaker 2:Here comes a lizard.
Speaker 1:Totally so when it comes to trust man, here it comes. Nice.
Speaker 3:Archie said nice I know he said nice man. He's a sick fuck, right Arch.
Speaker 1:You're drunk already, huh. I wish John Crespo was here so he could tell you to cut you off. I'm not drunk, alright, fine.
Speaker 2:What were you asking? What I'm?
Speaker 1:saying is I want to get back to the fact that the trust phenomenon. Well, is it really just a matter of time? And solidifying many experiences together to then like okay, fine, I trust this person. No, no.
Speaker 2:No, it's a lot of things, because there's like an overall trust thing right, and then there's like a trust only when you're thinking, which is to me like the actual trust.
Speaker 1:Trust when you're thinking.
Speaker 2:Right. And then there's like you have particular attachments or things you want to do, and if you're not thinking, then trust gets thrown away, you know, and that to be able to do that requires continuous upkeep of a relationship, because attachments, um, they have a hard time with trust. You know, hmm, like, if I want something, yeah, and you're like no, no, they have a hard time with trust. You know, like, if I want something and you're like no, no, you don't need this right now, my initial reaction is like no, no, I need this. What is that? Saying that's not trusting off the bat, because I'm the one that's making a claim saying I need this or I want this, right, and you're coming here saying no.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So then would you say that trust totally, would you say that trust only exists because there's a gap in agreeance of reason.
Speaker 2:Trust only exists because there's a gap in agreeance of reason. Oh yeah, I mean there's a gap you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a gap in agreeance of reason. Oh yeah, I mean there's a gap. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:There's a gap in agreeance of reason and understanding in general.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but sometimes it could be like oh well, I don't trust what you're saying is true, but then you explain it and then the people might agree, then you understand. But then there's also like completely, things that you're unaware of, like that you're completely oblivious to that. Someone else like like, if you're someone that knows what's going on or you know something, you could see a lot larger of a picture. And people who oftentimes need to trust the most, they're very narrow, like sighted, so they like, like your world might be, you know, like this I'm showing, like you can see everything, someone who needs to trust constantly.
Speaker 2:The world is, like this, very narrow. Yeah so they're only seeing like one frame at a time where you might be seeing 10,000 frames at a time where you might be seeing 10,000 frames at a time, right, so they're going to need to leverage if, if, like, if they're humble enough and if, if they believe in it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you know you know what, like when you say the word humble, I'm almost saying like that's impossible when it comes to trust. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:Well, it's like almost like, if you're humble, you will trust, naturally, organically what's the thing is that, like when a moment happens when you need to trust who is the request typically made of trust by? I mean it could be either parties, depending on the type of trust we're talking about most common the teacher yeah, yeah, you know the teacher is the one that needs to remind the student said yo, you trust me and that, and that's kind of where you kind of put things on the line to be like yo, you trust me harris.
Speaker 1:This is very important. We're totally saying what we're saying, harris.
Speaker 2:I don't know if this is gonna run and one thing if it going to offend you or not, it doesn't typically go the opposite way, where it's like, hey, I really do want this, but you know what I'm going to leverage trust.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it doesn't, it's almost impossible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like that, that would be a, a very small, I mean a essentially, but that usually doesn't exist like that. No.
Speaker 1:Trust is very weak. What?
Speaker 3:do you?
Speaker 1:mean trust is very weak, based on what we just talked about and based on what me and Tony understood. I wasn't here for effort, I know. And even if you were, you know what I'm saying. I don't know.
Speaker 3:Fuck you, thank you. What we're trying to say is that fucking trust is.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying? I don't know, fuck you, thank you. No, what we're trying to say is that fucking trust is almost a primitive way of communicating and building some kind of connection with one another. Why do you think that is? I don't know man, that's honest. Can you think that is I don't know man, that's honest. Can you explain it to him?
Speaker 2:Yo, we should unplug those rocks.
Speaker 3:Why you can barely fucking hear it bro. What's wrong with you? Bro I'm closer to that shit and I don't hear it. You don't have ears. Go fuck yourself, man, fuck you, oh, fuck you. Oh, fuck you, oh, fuck you Go fuck yourself, man, fuck you, oh, fuck you, oh, fuck you, oh, fuck you. Go fuck yourself. Sit and spin, motherfucker.
Speaker 1:To what we talked about in regards to trust and why trust is almost primitive and the lowest tier of communication and understanding one another and understanding one another.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I think that often, in moments of trust, it's like you basically saying that you don't know and you're not capable of understanding either.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what the fuck, harris? So what we're saying? Is that actually trust if anybody requests you to trust, right Even us?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's an insult. What do you mean? It's an insult. Totally explain it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like if you have to trust someone with something. I guess it's like If somebody's requesting you to trust them, yeah, if someone's requesting you to trust them, it's they're acknowledging that one. You don't understand what's going on and you don't have the capability of understanding what's going on.
Speaker 3:So every time you guys told me to trust you're in good hands, you basically tell me I'm a fucking idiot.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, in a way I'm not saying that, right, but we're almost expecting you to say like, look, remove your ego, your doubts, your own reason, right, and all those things, because those are nonsense, and just trust us, because we wish you the best, and we're putting kind of like, the chips on us. Obviously we're betting on us versus betting on you and we're saying just trust us, dude, can't you see we mean well for you Because we're really backing ourselves. We're not backing you, but to a degree like what we just talked about. It's to a degree it's insulting to your own reason. But it's supposed to be like that. No, yeah.
Speaker 1:So should the other person take our word for it? Anybody's word for it, well, I mean Not anybody, but why us Like take our word for it? We're saying, hey, take our word for it, harris, you're in good hands and you're obviously going to have your moments of no, I don't trust you Because I don't agree with this. I don't agree with that. You know why that happens.
Speaker 2:Well, there's also different levels of trust. For example, if you have if, if, if, um, if you have like nothing in when it pertains to that topic, or nothing better, yeah. And for example, someone's giving you something and they're asking you to trust them it's very easy to trust.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, you have a horse in a race Because something.
Speaker 2:Well, no, I mean, something is better than nothing. Yeah, off the bat, you get something, so it's easy to trust. Yeah, if we were like If Harris is like I want a car and then others are like, all right, I'm going to go deliver and trust me, I'll get it done, yeah, right, yeah, okay, like yeah I'll take the worst case scenario you're gonna give me something I don't want and then like, all right, yeah right.
Speaker 2:Or scenario two is that I say no and I just stay with nothing yeah, right so that, like unknown factor, but something is still better than nothing. So trusting there is extremely easy, right, but then when it comes to things of optimization, those are things that are a lot harder to trust. Why?
Speaker 2:Because, you have something Right and you want potentially something more, and someone trying to guide you in a potentially they're like different direction or maybe something different, yeah, so you won't see it. You don't see what. There's what what they're saying? Yeah, but it's a lot, it's. It's a lot harder to trust because what you're thinking is better initially, you know little consumptive attachment and desire yeah, yeah, the, the attachment, and yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2:It's a lot easier to trust things that you don't have trust scenarios and situations where you don't have attachment of desire, but usually those things don't require trust to begin with.
Speaker 1:Right like okay so if those things okay, kiss my ass. What's the reasons to trust us? What's the?
Speaker 3:reasons. Yeah, what are your reasons?
Speaker 1:Why do I trust you? Yeah, like, what's the reason? No, no, no, I'm not sure if you trust us. Okay, because we just had an episode.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if someone were to trust, like, take you out of it. If someone were to, if, if, if some, if someone were to tr like, take you out of it. If someone were to trust us, right, what would their like? What? What would the reasons be to trust us?
Speaker 3:well, from my experience with you guys, okay or just what, what you see. Or just what you see. Well, yeah, experience you don't, I guess, beat around the bush, right? You're fucking completely honest.
Speaker 1:Why is that important? It's very interesting that he led with that Mm-hmm. Okay, why is that important? No, no, no, that was a question, totally, keep going.
Speaker 3:Well, you don't. You tell it how it fucking is. Okay, whether someone likes it or not okay.
Speaker 1:So wait, wait, okay, fine, answer the fucking question. Why do you think that's important?
Speaker 2:why do I think, why did you even say, would you trust somebody that says it how it is? Yeah?
Speaker 3:because they don't try to. You know, pity you, you know like why not? Not, because people are never going to fucking learn if it's done that way, is that an inherent thing in trust?
Speaker 1:then what? That if you get an opinion from a person who doesn't have a horse in a race and doesn't really give a fuck, that inherently develops trust and you feel that even without knowing what's actually going on. Well, I think, if you feel that, even without knowing what's actually going on.
Speaker 2:Well, I think, if you feel that somebody's being honest, then it's.
Speaker 1:It is, it's easier to trust. One thing I can say right, Okay so continue, sorry.
Speaker 3:So my experience is you always I don't know have everyone's best interest at fucking heart in the end Right. Uh-huh how, that's a great question.
Speaker 1:I got to think how do you extract these things?
Speaker 3:You never fucking. In my opinion, you never straight me fucking wrong.
Speaker 1:Even though that one Christmas, when I asked you to sit on my lap when I was dressed as Santa Claus, yeah, don't be fucking weird, man.
Speaker 3:That never happened. Don't be fucking weird, bro.
Speaker 1:That never happened. Alright, fine For the record.
Speaker 3:For the record, never happened you don't want to sound like a petty man, alright, it never happened, I don't know.
Speaker 1:You said it, I got you, that's it, that's on record.
Speaker 3:All right. So, uh, you never fucking straightened me wrong, yeah. But you know, on several occasions you know you were the voice of reason on a lot of stuff. My mother used to fucking come to you to talk some fucking sense into me. Yeah, uh, yeah. So there's that Fine Plus by. You took an oath to be honest and truthful when, when you were that caseworker man, I don't know about all that.
Speaker 1:I don't remember that oath that's but yeah, you never strayed.
Speaker 3:Neither one of you really strayed me wrong.
Speaker 1:So what history and experience well, that's just one thing.
Speaker 3:You can't just come in you can't just come in and say oh yeah, I trust this guy, it takes. It takes time to fucking there. You go right time, time and experience with time and experience with the person.
Speaker 1:Sure, right, it's easier to say, like me, and harris was just saying oh me, you told we had 10 plus 15 plus years of knowing one another and within that record of time you never sat on my lap during christmas. You know what?
Speaker 8:I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. What the fuck you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:But how do you close the gap between that type of time? What do you mean by experience? Close the gap? Sure, harris has his reasons, and his reasons are like hey, I've known you for a long time, time is the kicker, and experiences that I did have within that long time frame are good. Therefore I can trust you so like is that always the case? For when?
Speaker 3:it comes to trust. Is that the?
Speaker 2:variable no you can know someone for a long time right, but we haven't seen each other and no, yeah depends on, like, how you um, like how you carry yourself yourself and how you act, and if the person identifies with some of those attachments, right, someone walked in here, you know, wearing a suit and had a red Ferrari outside, yeah Right, and had a $30,000 watch on.
Speaker 1:Uh huh.
Speaker 2:If someone is.
Speaker 1:Compromised.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if someone has a heavy attachment to earning money, or maybe learning how to make money To get the watch, they're going to want to shadow that person. Or if, like that person's like, hey, you want me to like, show you the way. Yeah right, but then it'll happen only to a certain point, like there needs to be then different things. But you could have just.
Speaker 1:You could have just met that person look totally right and listen, and I I agree with this example because the example is a completely contradictory to ours what one one example.
Speaker 2:Right, there's also why there's polarizing figures out there in society. For example, like andrew tate is one of them. Right, okay, right, he'll whoa, whoa. He'll post pictures constantly with like or or like videos and content constantly with like girls like I don't know doing boss shit right, or like having sick cars or like bitch like sick mansion for Right and then also carrying himself a particular way, a very confident way, a very like, arrogant way, a very like you know what what young, what?
Speaker 2:what like young boys or whoever consider like an alpha male type way. Yeah, and then he. He can also like allegedly fight Right, and he's jacked and in shape and wears like designer shit Dildo's on his forehead and he's jacked and in shape and wears designer shit and has a lot of money and stuff right. People trust him.
Speaker 1:Well no, some people trust him.
Speaker 2:No, not saying everybody, I'm saying that some people trust him without ever having a one-to-one conversation with him, without ever seeing him in real life without ever verifying anything.
Speaker 1:They still trust him, isn't he wanted, without ever seeing him in?
Speaker 2:real life without ever verifying anything, they still trust him, isn't he wanted?
Speaker 3:he doesn't even live in this fucking country no, yeah, he's in Romania he's wanted right no, he's not wanted.
Speaker 1:I think he has some kind of court case pending against him yeah, but he's not wanted he's the most douchebag sounding person out there Paris we're trying to discover this thing about trust. It's fucking us up.
Speaker 3:And he fucks.
Speaker 1:The thing is we're totally talked about just now All those accolades, quote unquote, that Andrew Tate has. Win him over some people that are cheap Take a dump on his Ferrari.
Speaker 3:Are you a cheap person? I'm not. I'd take a dump on his Ferrari if he came near me. I'd take a big old shit on his fucking Ferrari. I don't like that guy. He talks so much shit, totally back to differ, that you're a cheap person Call. Andrew Tate. Tell him to come over here. He's off the rockers today, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he is Call Andrew Tate, tell him to come over here, I'll take a fucking.
Speaker 1:He's drunk man, I'm not drunk. You enjoying yourself.
Speaker 3:I'm not drunk, okay, fine, call Andrew Tate bro.
Speaker 1:I dislike him so much. He's not dude, he's fucking from UK. He's like an.
Speaker 3:Arab or something. There's no fucking way have you heard this guy talk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, he's not American at all, he doesn't know anything about anything, Okay fine. That's it.
Speaker 1:Alright. So what I'm trying to do is trying to then ask if time and experience in that time frame is this wide range of things, what the fuck?
Speaker 3:are you talking about, bro? He's born in Washington DC, numbnuts. No way Andrew Tate. His real name is Emery Andrew Tate III. Okay, born December 1st 1986, age 37, washington DC. Fine, who gives a fuck? Fuck that motherfucker. He can kiss my white ass.
Speaker 1:Fine, so we're trying to do Andrew.
Speaker 2:Tate showed up here, offered him money and a nice car He'd get the fuck out of here in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1:He'd suck his dick right. He'd be like gone like this.
Speaker 3:I'll pull down my pants and tell him to kiss my fucking white ass right here.
Speaker 2:He Pants attempt to kiss my fucking white ass, right yeah, he said yo come be my.
Speaker 3:Assistant run, run shit in New York. I'll give you five, five hundred thousand dollar a year salary.
Speaker 1:Andrew Tate suck my big white cock like this Come on, let's get this shit going man, we're trying to man, we're trying to figure out what is this trust thing and why does it work the way it does? And why is it almost insulting if you start asking for, hey, do you trust me?
Speaker 2:No, it's not insulting. It is insulting If you ask someone do you trust me? No to you, it would be insulting. Yeah, it is insulting Every time to you, but not to the person. I've never heard that before.
Speaker 1:No, but it's an insulting Communication style.
Speaker 2:No, it's not. If someone says Because, ultimately, you know what?
Speaker 1:I don't want to fucking trust me. I don't want anybody to trust me. Let me put it this way, right? I want everybody to be able to Hold on one second. Listen to me.
Speaker 2:You gotta calm down. You're off the rocker.
Speaker 1:Go drink some fucking water. Harris, trust us. Keep your mouth shut right now.
Speaker 3:Fuck you Because the average person is not. The only way it'd be insulting right is to ask someone do you trust me? And they say no.
Speaker 2:Harris, I'm going to point.
Speaker 1:Try to understand this point. All right, I'm hitting this shit. What Are you asking? A question or are you making a statement? Is it all right if I hit this shit? Oh, there you go. That's a question now. Yes, it's all right, but do you understand what you just fucking did? I did, what did you do? I said I yeah, so you use a fucking statement to make a question? Yeah, I always do that, fucking shit.
Speaker 3:You know who else does that. Don't say Tommy, no, mike, we do. Call him my work pops.
Speaker 1:Yes, and we always call him out on that because it's confusing as shit. That's not proper way of fucking communicating.
Speaker 3:You ask the fucking question you make a statement. Where do you think I learned that shit? That's a good question. I. Where do you think I learned that shit? That's a good question.
Speaker 1:I've been around you guys for how long? If you learn that from him, I'm done, I'm going to have a serious conversation with him.
Speaker 1:I don't remember where the fuck I learned it. This is a typical pussy shit that a lot of people fucking use to communicate with Pussy. Eat stupid shit, don't man. Listen, you did the right thing you said is it okay if I hit this? Listen, you did the right thing. You said is it okay if I hit this Because you really wanted to? So yeah, let's get back to it. We're trying to explain to you why trusting, or asking to trust someone, is actually an insulting thing to do. Because I'm telling you, ultimately, trusting is secondary. If me and you agree on the point of whatever it is that we agree upon, I don't need to ask for your trust. It's a natural phenomenon. Hold on one second, let him think about it and then we'll explain to you what I mean.
Speaker 1:I'll explain to you what it is. Did you follow me? If me and you agree that whatever example right, I don't know Leaving chocolate out is bad for our dogs, right? Me and you both agree on that, I don't have to trust the fact that you're going to not move it out or leave it out. You know what I'm saying. Like I know that you will do it.
Speaker 1:Therefore, I'm not going to trust you so-called it's organically, like it's fine, everything's going gonna be fine, because me and you are on the same page here and many other things. Like I don't have to summon trust. Like hey, can I trust you totally?
Speaker 2:if I do listen to this, I'm acting out of anxiety yeah, see, it's also a semantics thing, because in the way that you describe it, some people would actually say that, oh, you just trust him. Like they would still call it that even though it's not and I agree with you. Okay, you do agree with me, but they would still use that word for it. That's why it might be confusing.
Speaker 1:Exactly, but I think that we're trying to do right, trying to figure out ways to use words in such a way where we can really understand where we come from without needing to you know be confusing, yeah, but let me ask you a question. Did you understand what we just said? I do no, but Okay, hold on one second, your lawyer said no.
Speaker 4:First of all, he's not my lawyer.
Speaker 1:Explain to me what we just talked about regarding trust. And if we're both on the same page of agreeance, why do we need to use the word trust? And if we both on the same page of?
Speaker 3:agreeance. Why do we need to use the word trust you don't If you're both agreeing on something you don't but say, like I've seen it over and over again, right, I've had friends, right, that got me to do shit. And their first question is, when I'm hesitant is do you trust me? I said, of course. So they say, okay, then fucking trust me, you'll be fine. You see, that's cheap.
Speaker 1:That's cheap Totally. How is that cheap? It's cheap because, at the end of the day stop it. Stop it right now. You don't fucking trust. Okay, the truth of the matter is nobody should actually trust. If have certain doubts, you should be like hey bro, uh, I do trust you with some stuff, but some stuff I don't trust you. And that's the truth of the matter, yes or no? Yeah, it's a normal phenomenon that's.
Speaker 3:That's basically saying oh man, every that's. That's complete bullshit. Man, uh, if I trust you, I'm gonna fucking die you know like no.
Speaker 1:What I'm saying is that you should ask, say hey, I do have some doubts and please help me with them. These are my doubts and that individual should if they're a good friend, I think take enough time and patience, right, unless they have a horse in the race, so-called. They should take their time to explain themselves, to say, like, hey, harris, the reason why I'm asking you to trust me is because X, y and Z and I understand this, that this equation or this math thing or whatever, is this and this is how you should do it, because we're going to get to the truth.
Speaker 3:So you're saying most of these people, most of the people in this world, have it all wrong.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I'd actually say I'm saying that and that's the creative thing that he extracted, that that's basically what you're saying.
Speaker 3:that's basically what you're saying because every single person I can say every single fucking person in this world- will ask the same fucking question.
Speaker 1:No, I actually think that you're wrong about that. There's a very few people that actually are thinkers. They might not be in the whole world, but there's a small number of them and I'm telling you they try to use words very carefully because they understand the importance of how these words fall in your ears.
Speaker 3:Let's call it most right.
Speaker 1:Most 99. I would say 99%, most of the people. Yes, we got it wrong.
Speaker 3:Got it wrong? Yep, totally yeah. So let me ask you a question, right, mm-hmm? When people, when they're in a relationship, right, they say trust is the number one thing, they got that wrong. They got it wrong, are you?
Speaker 1:serious. I'm serious man. This is why what we do here is the best thing in the world and nobody really knows about it.
Speaker 3:Well, that's kind of crazy, right? It is Because we talked about some serious fucking topics.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you got to understand this. Right. It is because we talked about some serious fucking topics. Yeah, because you gotta understand this. I don't have to think about trust with katherine because I know katherine and vice versa, and any times, any time that katherine has to think about trust when it comes to me, she's insulting me. That tells me that she doesn't know who I am. You understand and this has definitely been the case in my relationship as well where I have to explain myself thoroughly, to explain, like, the reason why you don't have to go into the world of trusting and feeling a certain type of way is because you actually have to get to know who you're talking to. If you don't, then you have to rely on trivial things like trust yeah, this is why you have anxiety with your family.
Speaker 1:You don't actually know them and they don't actually know you, and we talked about this. Damn, that's deep, it is very deep. Paris, is it?
Speaker 2:also very woke.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't say woke. Is there a reason why you're sitting in your underwear right now? Fuck you, bro. Why'd you take your shorts off?
Speaker 2:don't make people think Because is there a reason why you're sitting in your underwear right now?
Speaker 1:Harris look like here we go. Who the fuck is sin bad.
Speaker 2:Trust me when you show hit me with a headbutt.
Speaker 1:He does look like Sinbad.
Speaker 3:Who the fuck is.
Speaker 1:Sinbad, trust me, when you show it to him, you're like yo that's my uncle.
Speaker 2:Fuck you, man, and he's black bro.
Speaker 3:He does look like him. You're right, man, kiss my fucking white ass bro.
Speaker 1:Yes, harris, what we're saying is that a lot of people actually got this thing wrong we need to get more people to listen to this podcast and if that's fucking right, bro, why?
Speaker 3:what do you think we've been doing here, man? Because, no, because, if this is true, this podcast will fix the world on all this woke truth.
Speaker 2:I don't know that's not going to do shit trust.
Speaker 1:It has that potential. Yes, if only people actually listen and understand what we're trying to say. That's the only way if they agree with us. Obviously right, because we're trying to tumble these ideas, the words trust, love, acceptance, compassion courage, we have the power to help change this world. No, no, no, he knows that he has the power. We are very powerful, very powerful.
Speaker 3:Well then, why is he saying this ain't going to change shit, man?
Speaker 1:Because he doesn't see the scope of it yet, as big as it is. You think it's profound. What do you mean? Profound means this is important, this is big.
Speaker 3:A lot of the topics we talk about are big, like last week we talked about woke. Yeah, the problem is, I think, you know, people might not agree with it. A lot of people might not agree with it, yeah, but it's a very important topic.
Speaker 1:Well, like I said, I think that the way we use the word trust, it's insulting.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like I said, I think that the way we use the word trust it's insulting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but the problem is we don't allow people's right reason, their own autonomy and everything else that they have in store in them to come out and to really have the time to explain this. That's why we trust is like a shortcut to action which can be detrimental to your health. Think about that.
Speaker 3:When you're with a woman, right A woman you know everything about. 15 years down the road she cheats on you. Okay, there's no trust there. Well, if she cheated?
Speaker 1:on you?
Speaker 3:you don't really know her, that's what you're basically saying.
Speaker 1:This is what I'm saying. If she cheated on you, you actually never knew her.
Speaker 3:Shit, that is kind of true right, because the woman you thought you knew that's right, that's not the woman.
Speaker 1:How? If you understand the morals and ethics of an individual right, if you really know what they're about?
Speaker 3:how can you expect that?
Speaker 1:How would that happen, especially in an intimate relationship like a relationship?
Speaker 3:and how long has that been going on exactly?
Speaker 1:right. So if you're with them constantly rubbing elbows every day, you're probably living together or whatever, right, you're constantly with them. After 15 years, like what the fuck is that? Yeah, like, how is that possible?
Speaker 3:I can start with that analogy. I can start to see what you're saying because where you're coming from, because the person you thought you knew is not, is not the actual person.
Speaker 1:That means there was something part of that person that you actually didn't know and that was still in you.
Speaker 3:That made me start thinking and that was hidden for a very long time. I see where you're coming from now. Okay, with that analogy.
Speaker 1:Let's bring the analogy of example of yours. Right Today, we told you, harris, the most important thing is for you to speak to your dad and make him understand that what we're trying to do and the decisions that we're making are correct. Yeah, and you're like, I can't even talk to my dad. We think, and we're like, hey, this is the most important thing for you to make sure that your relationship with your dad is good. You're like, hey, he will never understand and we just have to kind of ban him. No, we don't think so. We want you to understand our point and we can get to a point where, like, we might be able to summon trust and say, harris, just trust us, that this is the most important thing.
Speaker 1:But to you it's hard to do because you have your doubts. You say, hey guys, you guys don't understand Penny. Hey, no, okay, you have doubts like yo, you guys don't understand how my dad is. He doesn't let me even do this, he doesn't let me do that. You know what I'm saying? So, because we don't have that context. You have that context.
Speaker 1:It's holding you away from quote-unquote trusting us right, but we want you to jump over that, we want you to jump over that blindly, and I think that's not fair. I think that me and you right for example, you say, eldar, my dad actually is this way. I have to think about this, think it through and then give you reasons and rebuttals to how to help you with that specific problem. And if I can do that, then we develop so-called trust or understanding that we can actually I can help you, empower you to change your reality and change your dad's mind in order to get that?
Speaker 3:How do you change a guy's mind that doesn't accept change? This is a very good question. Let me put it this way. Yeah, I hope they're not listening.
Speaker 3:But my sister between my sister and my dad. My sister and my dad did not talk for three fucking years because they had a falling out. Because I don't agree with what she did. Okay, right, my dad was diagnosed with two different cancers. Okay, and my sister and my dad were already on the rocks. Okay, not Dennis Rocks were already on the Rocks. Okay, not Dennis Rocks. No, not Dennis Rocks.
Speaker 1:But they need to be on Dennis.
Speaker 3:Rocks yeah, I'd love to see them on Dennis Rocks. That'd be a very fucking interesting podcast.
Speaker 1:Maybe you should start with your sister.
Speaker 3:My sister is very woke. Listen, this is perfect for us. Perfect, she's very big in the lgb.
Speaker 3:Perfect, even better, we love those, but well, absolutely. But um, they had a rocky start. Uh, my sister was like you know. My sister was, like you know, going to therapy, okay, and the therapist convinced her that it was her upbringing that really screwed her up. Oh, and I don't know what the fuck she's talking, what this therapist is talking about, mm-hmm, because I was raised by him too. Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with our fucking upbringing At all. Okay.
Speaker 2:I was there every step of the way.
Speaker 3:There's nothing wrong with our fucking upbringing At all Okay.
Speaker 2:I was there every step of the way. There's everything wrong with your upbringing.
Speaker 3:He was not a terrible dad.
Speaker 1:You know, he was a great dad, that's the thing when you say that it's your own subjective experience with it, because as soon as you tell us some examples about your dad's ways, we clearly like hey, like that's fucking fucked up. You know what I'm saying, because you have a different scale and the bar was good, and we do too, you understand this or no, I do. It's subjective to you, meaning that you have a scale 1 through 10 and we have a scale that might be 1 through 20.
Speaker 3:Let's put it this way. The therapist claimed my dad screamed at us. He raised his voice.
Speaker 5:Okay, he never really screams but he raises his voice Absolutely.
Speaker 3:You do something wrong as a kid.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're going to raise their fucking voice. This is why you're still deaf on one ear, right?
Speaker 3:Fuck you. Okay, he didn't scream, but he raised his voice. The woke I call him the woke therapist, mm-hmm therapist the woke therapist said that is emotional abuse.
Speaker 1:I'm going to tell you right now, if that's the only example and that's her extraction and conclusion of it, she's wrong.
Speaker 3:Exactly, but it's not the only example. Listen. Probably not this is what I've been told.
Speaker 1:Let me explain to you why that is my reason and your reason is different.
Speaker 3:Let me explain to you why mine is my sister, my reason and your reason is different. Let me explain to you why mine is not Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Your dad did not do something that he knew what he was doing. He didn't know what he was doing, okay, he tried his best to raise you guys as the best. However, sometimes he was stressed out, right, and the times when he was stressed out he probably raised his voice, naturally, absolutely Right. To some individuals, that's abuse. To me it's not. Your dad didn't know any better. He did his best in that moment, right.
Speaker 1:So where therapists might that particular therapist might want to put the blame on the dad and transfer that to the therapy? Whoever's getting the therapy? What has the therapist gone through? Well, listen, before that, what I'm trying to say is that you have to explain to the person that you've given therapy to that look sure, that might be the wrong thing to do and parent this way, this style of parenting, of screaming at the kids. However, let's try to understand why was your dad doing that in the first place, right? And that instills compassion to understanding that your dad didn't know any better.
Speaker 1:And if you get to that point, then you don't have, you don't have help me with the word. You don't have resentment. You don't have resentment because you understand that he didn't know any better. If he did, he would have applied love and compassion and understanding. But he was also stressed out. He worked, you know, 80 hours a week. He had an abusive relationship. He maybe was an alcoholic. Whatever it was, those variables might have played an effect on how he actually communicated with you guys. Therefore, yeah sure, the blame could be put on him, but is it the right thing to do? Probably not.
Speaker 1:A good therapist can explain this very thoroughly.
Speaker 3:My sister kind of exiled my dad For those reasons. For those reasons, and he broke the news to her that he had two types of cancers. Why did he do that? Because he was diagnosed with it. He wanted the kids to know. He let me know. I called him every day when this happened To say bye, to talk to him. Make sure I talk to him every day Because you never know when it's going to be the last day.
Speaker 1:But my sister's response was Is that why he allows you to use his condom, or no?
Speaker 3:Stop it, man. My sister's response was I can't really talk about this right now. And they didn't talk throughout the whole fucking cancer treatment, the whole fucking nine yards. She kept that petty shit going.
Speaker 1:Well, to you it's See the thing is, to you it's petty, but to her it's not the question is right.
Speaker 3:Say God forbid, he didn't make it. Mm-hmm, that's fucked up, not talking to your dad. He's sick with cancer. He fucking raised you, he put you through college, he did everything for you.
Speaker 1:If her therapist put her on that path to feel a certain type of resentment or anger towards him and didn't really explain it. It completely justifies why she's acting the way she's acting. She might be in the wrong as well, but again, who do you blame that to? Do you blame that to the therapist? And then why did the therapist give the advice that she gave? Is the therapist not educated enough to properly conduct a therapy session? Right, and it keeps going and going.
Speaker 3:Then my sister's response right, my sister's response was I don't want to talk to you until you see a therapist. So my dad ended up obliging her what a fucking simp. And he went once. Okay, once. My dad hates therapy, I hate therapy. I was in therapy for 10 years. Didn't do shit for me, okay.
Speaker 1:Now you're back in therapy. You hate the therapist that you had. I had several therapists.
Speaker 3:Listen to me very carefully. You said you hate therapy.
Speaker 1:What you mean is that the people that were applying therapy were maybe not good and therefore you hate them. Maybe therapy is actually good, but it wasn't applied in a proper way in order to benefit you, when you really think about it.
Speaker 3:Yp was some type of in my eyes therapy. You're giving me compliments again. No, I'm just saying right, because we talked about the fucking problems. We were fucking happy, that's right, but absolutely. But you did it in a certain way, right, not calling out, really, it was more like, uh, a friend's way, you know, discussing shit. Yeah, discussing problems everyone was having. This is kind of like a therapy. Right, because you're talking about fucking issues you're having in your life, that's right. Uh, real problems with the world.
Speaker 3:It doesn't, I guess, apply the pressure, right, that they fucking drill and fucking drill and fucking drill until you fucking explode and fucking release what's on your fucking mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The one thing I can say about therapists is they fucking put pressure, dude. They put pressure to get deep down in your fucking soul and basically rip out the fucking problem. And in my experience, I fucking hated that. You hated that approach. I hated that fucking approach Because if I didn't want to talk about something, they go oh, come on now, open up a little bit. What is this? What is that?
Speaker 3:Bitch, maybe I'm not ready to fucking.
Speaker 1:You wanted to be tricked into it like YP, right.
Speaker 3:Not tricked into it like YP, right, not tricked into it. Don't make me say something I'm not ready to fucking say, dude, what's wrong?
Speaker 2:with you, unless they give you a chicken parm, oh shit.
Speaker 3:What is wrong with you, bro? I'm not going to lie. It took a little bit for me to open up NYP dude.
Speaker 1:Just a little bit of a couple of slices. Fuck you a couple of chicken. You don't rush someone?
Speaker 3:yeah, you don't, but these people, these people are trained to dig and dig. Yeah until someone explodes and opens up. That's my eyes of therapy.
Speaker 3:I hated it fine and then when family therapy happened oh shit, yeah, that was a fucking nightmare, john and me going at it, my mom and me going at. And then, when family therapy happened oh shit, yeah, that was a fucking nightmare, john and me going at it, my mom and me going at it. Family therapy is a very, very bad idea. Is trust an insult or what? I can see where you're coming from with it now, after that analogy.
Speaker 2:Totally missed our conversation. Man, it's only an insult. It would be an insult to you, but to the, to the person, okay, trust a cheap way of asking for skipping patients.
Speaker 2:And the long, the long lesson hold up, hold up, hold up yeah, just trust me, bro, like I got this man, I already did this man no, but the thing is that, like the thing when someone does not understand something and you're in a potential position to try to explain something, I feel like there needs to be some kind of elements of trust, because there's certain things that they're going to be enduring that they don't understand.
Speaker 3:Hold on. Okay, let's use the analogy we talked about Because Tully was not here. Okay, you missed it. I heard everything. You heard it. Say it again we talked about the relationship, right. Yeah. You trust a woman, right and this is how I got to understand where Eldar was coming from Right, she cheats on you. After 15 years you never really fucking knew that woman. It's not about trust. You never really knew her. She's not the person you thought she was. That's how I got to understand where Eldar was coming from.
Speaker 2:It's not about trust well, yeah, I mean, just throughout that time you guys were just on different like pages, you know it's not about trust, it's about knowing the person well, like are you talking about for the person that's surprised at that, that the other person cheated on them, or what I'm talking about?
Speaker 3:yeah, it's not about trust, it's about do you really know that person. It's about getting to know that person, uh and what?
Speaker 2:what? When it comes to what, though, like what do you what?
Speaker 3:do you say relationship right? Yeah your relationship with a girl.
Speaker 2:It's not about it's not about trust.
Speaker 3:It's definitely not so use our experience right here. It's about agreeing and disagreeing. It's not about trust. It's about getting to know the person and understanding where they're coming from.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:So that's what I believe it is. I see where all that's coming from now About certain situations. So you agree that relationship trust is dead.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I mean yeah, okay, trust has been dead.
Speaker 3:Okay, trust has been dead, but that's only particularly for that Correct. For everything. Okay, you've been out for a minute. Okay, so trust has been dead for everything. Totally, that's what he just said. Trust has been dead for everything.
Speaker 2:Because I explained the relationship and he goes yeah, trust is dead in general. The way that we're talking about it now is that like, yeah, like, trust is a very like you know yeah, it's cheap, bro, it's cheap bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's cheap, it's cheap. So when you start Harris, so you know what? Because I said in a relationship. I think your social media has to be changed. What do you mean? And I'm okay with it. What do you mean?
Speaker 3:It's not. Harris is in good hands what should it be?
Speaker 1:Harris? Trust is dead man. Trust is dead. No, what If you were to change that statement? What would you actually make it? If we're talking about that trust is actually dead right, because we're making a statement saying Harris is in good hands, like, is he really? So what should your social media be?
Speaker 3:I don't know Harris is with good people. I don't fucking know. No, I don't know Harris is with good people I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1:No, okay, I think it should be a question instead.
Speaker 3:Is Harris in good hands? Yeah, but that thing's a powerful thing. But do you understand why, or no? Yeah, you're making other people wonder, and you too.
Speaker 1:Because that's actually how you feel.
Speaker 3:Are you actually in good hands, harris? Damn, you're really changing shit up, bro, you know, because for the past fucking going on two months, yeah, you're in good hands, you're in good hands.
Speaker 1:And then the mindset has changed a little bit well, I think it's, it's naturally should change, because as you grow, as this grows, as we continue to grow, there are realities in the whole thing, in the whole situation. I think we should situation, I think we should evolve and I think the question is more appropriate to what we're trying to accomplish.
Speaker 3:Damn, Mike's really missing a really good fucking podcast.
Speaker 1:Mike always listens as well, just like my friend Joe. Not the other Joe, but Joe, you know what I'm saying. It's your friend Joe. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:I'm viral nation, exactly.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so that's why I think it's only appropriate for us to change your thing to a question Is Harris in good hands? Because I think it's a lifelong question that you have to keep asking yourself, right? Because?
Speaker 3:I see where you're coming from, because For example.
Speaker 1:I'll give you another example, which is a cool phenomenon that is happening Totally, sending you videos, right, you're watching those videos Absolutely and you know what happened today. You watched those videos and you extracted some stuff from it.
Speaker 3:I've been extracting it for the past, since Monday.
Speaker 1:Whatever, I don't know why you want to give yourself props on this. That's not the point that I'm trying to make. How long you've been doing this. For Trying to make a point. Totally sent you those videos. You watched those videos and guess what happened today? When we were going over the videos that you watched, you bashed Tully about certain concepts that he was telling you using a reference of those videos. Is that a conundrum or no? A little bit, yeah, it is. Talk to me about that. Totally sent you the videos, yeah, to watch. He's never watched him. No, no, no. But he right, he. He understands what the content is right there's. He agrees with the content, he knows what the content is right and what these guys yeah right, he sends it to you because he wants you to learn from the content.
Speaker 1:Right, you come back, you extract some stuff and you then yourself challenge totally within the content.
Speaker 3:I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Is that? A conundrum or what.
Speaker 3:It is a conundrum, because what is happening? I think you need to watch some of these videos, bro. You might have something that works for you. What I'm getting to identify right is different people. Different things work for different people.
Speaker 1:I'm going somewhere else completely. I'm talking about trust. Stick on the topic of trust. Okay, Right. Some of the behavior that you've displayed counteracts trusting Tully. Yeah, even though Tully is sending you videos to watch because he wishes you well, he wants you to level up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I get that right, yeah, but what I'm getting from the videos, right, yeah, all right, these are people just like Tully. Let's put that out there. That have been very successful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, okay, alleg these are people just like totally let's put that out there that have been very successful.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, okay, uh, allegedly, allegedly okay.
Speaker 1:We'll put that out there, right uh, because you know, everybody defines success differently. Yes, we don't know them. Well, we don't know them. No, do you know them more than you know? Totally?
Speaker 3:no, oh, you don oh you don't, but I kind of like putting it to Tully man oh, I know, you do you know? They say this ain't right boy. Yeah, what do you got to say about that? About what that? They said you were wrong bro.
Speaker 2:About what.
Speaker 3:About the different ways. I think it was about the intro a little bit, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it doesn't matter. I remember there was a couple things, but yeah, but uh, I'm not gonna lie, mm-hmm. You know, you were really excited when that happened. Yeah, I was Okay cool, because you know totally fucking would would a fucking grill into me.
Speaker 5:He was grilling into me like yo this is terrible, man.
Speaker 3:You're doing it wrong. Man. Well, guess what man? I was like? Yeah, I was excited bro. I was like you know, now I got something to fucking contradict to you. Jab you motherfucker.
Speaker 2:What was this? I don't even remember.
Speaker 3:Yeah, to be honest, I gotta go through my notes. I'm not drunk dude. Yeah to be honest I got to go through my notes. You're drunk, so forget about it. I'm not drunk. Dude, might be a little tipsy. There were a couple of things, yeah.
Speaker 1:That was contradicting of how you said what you said. Leaving a voicemail is one of them.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Your voicemail yeah, you know what I mean, and stuff like that. Obviously Tully has his methods, Like they said. Right, yeah, but it's just. You were very excited, I was very excited but there was a reason right?
Speaker 3:I finally got to contradict him. I knew something that I could throw back at him. Why did you feel like you needed that?
Speaker 2:What did he know? I'm confused.
Speaker 3:One of the things was the voicemail. Voicemail, you know.
Speaker 2:In the sense where I was saying that I disagree with doing it Another thing. It's completely different than what the video was saying Hold on hold on the video is talking about. We're talking about effectiveness to get people to call you back, yeah, right, yeah, for example, leaving a voicemail to get you to call back the reason I was. I don't agree with, for example, someone like him. If you have to leave physically, leave the voicemail doing it, because it takes time. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right. It takes time and to me, success is not measured by the number of people that call him back and the number of, for example, like meetings and books, like when we were doing that. The goal for me at that time was for him to call as many people to get as many conversations going as possible. It was a volume game and if you have to leave a voicemail to every single lead, you're not doing that. A voicemail, the time it takes to leave a voicemail, is the equivalent of probably at least making one call. You either make 50 calls and leave 50 voicemails or you make 100 calls, which is why I disagree with that. I didn't disagree at all with the concept of it.
Speaker 3:I'm going to point something else out here.
Speaker 1:Did you understand? What he just said.
Speaker 3:I absolutely did. I'm an experienced. I'm not ready for that. But I'm also going to point something else out here. Don't get mad man. I'm just stating that man. Alright. The way in the beginning of my current speech it's automatically asking them are they open to a meeting to learn more? And I've talked to a couple people that immediately when I get to that opening line they jump in and say no, and I've been hung up on that specific meet. They say not to fucking do that. You don't want to jump in the meeting first. You want to open with uh, you know immediately like uh, how you doing, are you in currently in sales? You know, are you currently still doing real estate, something like that? Uh, you want to get them to answer and then immediately jump in to start the conversation, immediately opening up. Uh, would you be open to a meeting? They say is not a well, good starting point.
Speaker 2:First off, that that's definitely not what the script says. Uh at all, doesn't jump, jump into a meeting at all. It's not like I'm saying call, saying hey you down for a meeting, no, okay, bye right?
Speaker 1:no, it's not, but there's context there, so first of all, you gotta understand that before you start making any kind of explanations. I understand that there's context behind this.
Speaker 2:I understand that, like he could be hearing something you also understand.
Speaker 3:He's a cheap hooker bro hold on hold on, I'll be right back. I'm getting speech. I'm getting speech yeah, there's, yeah, there's a lot of like he could be. I'm getting speech.
Speaker 2:You're getting speech, I'm getting speech. Yeah, there's a lot of. He could be looking at something. I know what they're talking about.
Speaker 1:Of course I know this, yeah, but you have to respect the enthusiasm. I do have to respect the enthusiasm.
Speaker 3:The last part is supposed to be talking about the meeting. You're not supposed to even do it in the middle of it. Okay.
Speaker 2:You're not supposed to. Who's saying that?
Speaker 3:Every fucking person I watched said that is the last part.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:You don't focus on the meeting, you don't talk about the meeting. That's the closing, okay. That is the meeting you don't talk about the meeting.
Speaker 3:That's the closing. Okay, that is the closing. Let's use. Whose name do we want to use right now? Eldar, you want to use Eldar, of course, hey, is this Eldar? It is hey, eldar. It's Harris from Letterfriend, the handwritten letter service. The reason for my call today is to see if you'd be open to scheduling a short call to learn more about some of the ways we use handwritten mail to help real estate agents and investors get higher reply rates. Okay, first of all, a short call is basically asking for a meeting. Yeah, they say not to do that. Yeah at all. Yeah, everyone I watched, they said not to do that.
Speaker 2:Okay, are you making?
Speaker 3:cold calls. No, I'm not making cold calls, but most of the people I am calling. It was a long time ago, but nonetheless, they're warm. On the colder side, fine.
Speaker 4:Okay, give it to him On the colder side.
Speaker 3:Alright, right, most of the people I've noticed with this speech, at least for the past couple days, like yeah, no, thanks, bye, because it's immediately asking are they open to a call? Without even I don't even get to the part where, since we last spoke, we actually lowered our pricing and made our services a bit easier to take advantage of. I'm just going to state that now. Okay, I don't even get to that part before, like no, okay, thanks, bye, no, thanks, bye. Yeah, you know, I think it should be. This is Harris from Letter Friend. Right, since we last spoke, we should change it up a little bit, change it in the direction. Instead of reason for my call today, right, the reason for my call today. Since we last spoke, we actually lowered our pricing, made our services a bit easier to take advantage of. Would you be open to a short call to learn more about some of the ways we use handwritten mail to help real estate agents switch?
Speaker 2:up. So you want to switch up one sentence back and forth exactly and then and then you put worst case scenario.
Speaker 3:We'll show you what your peers are doing and ship you out some free samples. It's in the wrong direction. You want the third part?
Speaker 1:This is music to my ears.
Speaker 3:The third part.
Speaker 2:It is music to mine as well. Why, why?
Speaker 3:Because I love this kind of stuff. Why do you love this kind of stuff? Why? Why do you love this kind of stuff? What.
Speaker 1:It's good. Yeah, it's very good. Paris we might have different reasons as to why we like it. We probably do.
Speaker 3:Okay, start explaining, man, really. Yeah, I'm ready for it. Start explaining, I totally have to go first.
Speaker 4:I have to go first.
Speaker 1:You want me to go first. Yeah, go first. First of all, first of all, I'm happy you're thinking Uh-huh, okay, this is the're thinking Uh-huh, okay, uh-huh, this is the most important thing. Uh-huh. Number two. I'm happy that you're challenging.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's very good.
Speaker 3:I'm not trying to. I'm just trying to say we should switch it up. No, I get it, no, but this.
Speaker 1:What you're doing is you're actually challenging. Yeah, saying this is very good. You know what I mean, but I hear but coming. No, there is no buts. You know what I mean. There is enthusiasm.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know what I'm saying and I like it well, I'm trying to take everything I learned from the conversation.
Speaker 1:Yes, and switch it. Yes, I think that you're listening and paying attention and some of the things that you want to challenge and stuff like that. It's perfectly fine.
Speaker 2:Again, I think it goes back to trust, but go ahead yeah, yeah, no, I mean I, I agree with what elder is saying, um, but in in a scenario like this, um, the reason I'm having you say what, like I, I I have reasons why I'm having you say what.
Speaker 2:What you say right. And when it comes to someone being good or bad, for example, at cold, at cold calling or making calls, there's all people at different levels Right. And if you're going to coach somebody, for example, right. If I hired a rep that's been making cold calls for the last five years and they were successful at it and now I just need to teach them about the product and maybe help refine some things, that's different. Right. I would be telling them to say different things, different, right. I would be telling them to say different things. But for a person who wants to get off the phone as soon as possible and not have a conversation, I wouldn't be advising them at the beginning to have conversations, because they're going to end up in a similar way of that, the one that we listen to last okay, so so let me ask you so.
Speaker 2:So hold on. So my reasoning, as it's telling you what to do things. I'm not going to tell you like the like the most, for example, like the, the the best, like effective, like like the most effective, like highest performing strategy. That requires you to be knowledgeable about the product, about how things work, about what pain points to people that you're speaking to might have, what problems they have right, how they typically go about buying, like just a whole bunch of things, right? You can't throw that at my opinion at least, you can't throw that at someone right off the bat who doesn't know anything. Right To me, there's a progression and as somebody progresses up, they can get into more complicated. For example, this gets my dick hard. Do you understand this, or no?
Speaker 6:I'm sorry. Whoa, whoa, whoa, come over here, sit over here, come here yeah.
Speaker 2:So when someone says something, for example, my goal in sending you these videos is one just to get someone else's take on, for example, things, and a lot of it is also generally things that most of the things I'll agree with. There's definitely some things that I'll disagree with, but that's also okay, yeah it's not going to be perfect. Yeah that, but my main goal was just to get you interested in all this kind of stuff, and it seems like I've accomplished that.
Speaker 3:You have, but I'd actually like like monday I want to take my leads?
Speaker 3:yeah, that I currently have. Still, and I want to kind of if we can see what happens if I uh say uh, hey, is this eldar? Yes, it says hi, who is this? Hey, eldar, it's har from Letterfriend, the handwritten letter service, the reason for my call today. Since we last spoke, we actually lowered our pricing and made our services a bit easier to take advantage of. Would you be open to scheduling a short call to learn about some of the ways we use handwritten mail to help real estate agents and investors get higher reply rates? Would you be open for a short five 10 minute call Worst case scenario, we'll show you what your peers are doing and ship you out some free samples.
Speaker 3:How does tomorrow or Tuesday work? Yeah, it sounds a little more like I'm not trying to jump into the meeting. Yeah, like they are some my, some, my coldld leads, but they're still warm, as you said. Yeah, so they still know what our service is. You're just explaining what are. Hey, the first thing I believe you want to let these people know is yeah, what I've learned, what I want to try she's going to be very good is I want to let these people know yeah, our prices did go down. Yeah, and you know our service has been easy, is easier now to use. That's the first thing I want to do, because I never get to that point. Uh, these past couple calls is to let them know. Yeah, since we last talked, our prices did go down. Yeah, and our service is now easier to use.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how is it easier to use? Oh, our platform oh, how long have we had our platform for that's a great question.
Speaker 3:How long have we?
Speaker 1:it's easier to use right that means before when we last spoke with them you have to be careful, because you'll ask I know, all right, yeah he'll ask you things you might not know I don't know how long have we ever been on a phone, you?
Speaker 2:tell me, because you said that your services are easier to use.
Speaker 1:You're a liar.
Speaker 2:So when we spoke three years ago, or four years ago.
Speaker 1:Right Crespo's not here I'm channeling.
Speaker 2:Crespo, the services were harder to use. I want to know how are they easier to use?
Speaker 3:Well, you know, I'm going to be honest with you, sir.
Speaker 1:You'll find out on Monday when you book the meeting.
Speaker 3:I just started working here, but my direct mail specialist has been here for 10 years, so you want to set me up by lying first. I'm not setting you up, sir.
Speaker 2:You're saying that the services are easier to use Absolutely.
Speaker 3:My direct mail specialist can explain no, so you're setting me up then right by lying. I'm not. My direct mail specialist can explain this information.
Speaker 2:So you're setting me up, then right.
Speaker 3:By lying. I'm not setting you up, sir. I'm not setting you up, sir, no.
Speaker 2:Well, no, you're setting up your direct mail. Specialist.
Speaker 3:My direct mail specialist has 10 years of experience. Yeah, has been here for the past 10 years and he can fill you in with all that information.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. Then you're setting up the direct mail specialist, don't shy away from that, say yeah, I am, yeah, I am.
Speaker 1:You know why?
Speaker 3:Because he has 10 years of experience.
Speaker 1:He knows what the hell he's doing.
Speaker 8:Sir, that's right If you give him 5, 10 minutes of your time he can fill you in on all the way our prices went down and how our platform platform is now easier to use, sir.
Speaker 6:Yes, oh my god this is the 20th. I love the energy when the person's in the line he's like oh okay, we'll do this, call back sir, this is the 22nd century sir, this is.
Speaker 3:We started over 20 years ago, sir 22nd century, 21st century, fuck you. Fuck you this is 21st century, sir, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:We started over 20 years ago, sir.
Speaker 3:Things have evolved.
Speaker 1:That's right. What's the matter with you, goddammit, if?
Speaker 3:you're interested in a call with my direct mail specialist, he can explain all this to you.
Speaker 2:I'm not because you're a filthy liar.
Speaker 3:You're a liar, sir. Kiss my white ass, okay.
Speaker 4:Oh man.
Speaker 3:Talk to her or nah.
Speaker 2:Oh, nah, that's your idea of an open speech. Don't worry Listen.
Speaker 1:I like the energy. I like it too. I like the energy.
Speaker 3:But I really think I need to get to that point, because most of these people, yeah, they remember who we are.
Speaker 1:I'm happy that you have a point that you're trying to get to. I just want to try it, man. I can't wait for you to try it.
Speaker 3:I'm sure last time I changed things around it sucked ass, Sucked real ass.
Speaker 1:Listen, you got to a point where you understand that you can try things, try here, try there, remove things, add things and then you excited about it. This is a good thing.
Speaker 3:I watch five different people. I'm excited to see it in action Because I watch five different people and they all said, speaking about scheduling a call, the first thing there's not a lot of success with it. All of them said the same thing about calling there's not a lot of success with it. And I'm sure the couple people I did speak to a lot of them hung up immediately when I said the reason for my call today is to see if you'd be opening to schedule a short call to learn more about some of the ways we use handwritten mail, because I jumped into scheduling a call, I believe, and they don't want to hear that.
Speaker 1:Okay, good.
Speaker 3:I still think when we get up this cold call thing, uh, we should mention roll the dice. I'm excited and I think that totally might hear your, uh, your plea, and it's not going to be the hawk to a shit, bro. Yeah, I'm just pointing that out there, bro, your idea, yeah, no, call bro. No, totally, yes, call bro.
Speaker 1:Totally yes. As you can see, sometimes you have to go around different places and different detours in order to get to maybe trust what the hell are you doing with your hand? Bro, maybe trust. I think this might have been a good example of something like it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You used YP Food.
Speaker 3:What the hell are you talking about? No one even mentioned YP Food with this whole entire fucking shit, man. They didn't. Yp Food was tax-free, first of all. Yeah, but Josh.
Speaker 1:Brown was free on YouTube, wasn't he?
Speaker 3:But that has nothing to do with YP Food man. Everything's kind of free on YouTube, bro. You watch it unless you rent the fucking movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you didn't find it on your own accord.
Speaker 3:No, I didn't.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I didn't. Somebody else put you on it. Yeah, I don't know who that was but maybe you do.
Speaker 3:It was this guy, anatoly. Yeah, I don't know how to pronounce your last name, dude Schuster.
Speaker 1:Fuck you man, fuck you man. Good stuff, guys. Tell me what the trust thing is though man.
Speaker 5:I totally get what you're talking about Trust is dead man Trust is dead.
Speaker 1:He's channeling Mike.
Speaker 3:There's no such thing as trust man. There's no such thing. Yeah, Mike told me to tell you something. Fuck you, Hold on, hold on. He's got something else to say.
Speaker 1:Hold on one second. We have to call him Go fuck yourself. Yeah, hold on one second. I think we have to call him Guys, I'll call him man.
Speaker 3:I got it. I'll speak to him. He's my pops man. Your call has been forwarded to voicemail. Totally, you give him a try.
Speaker 2:Would you give me 10 if he picks?
Speaker 3:up. Yeah, I'll give you 10. I'll throw a 5 on that.
Speaker 1:Wow, 15. Not bad.
Speaker 3:If he picks up, I'm going to be pissed as fuck. He's picking up?
Speaker 2:No, he's not bro, he's walking to the to be pissed. He's picking up? No, he's not. He's walking to the phone right now.
Speaker 3:He's sleeping, your call has been forwarded. Stop it. Should we go around again Listen?
Speaker 1:Mike, a lot of the times when we talk about these types of things and concepts and whatever the words that we use a lot of the times in society, he kills it, he's dead.
Speaker 3:He's right. Well, totally has gotten that off mic too, because he just said that before you came back when I brought up that relationship shit Again trust is one of those things where it's a very lazy way of saying like hey. I see where you're coming from, because you get to know someone. Yeah, that's when you start trusting them, but you get to know them. You know what they're about.
Speaker 1:You know what the fuck it's not trust you, just know them. There's no surprises, but no one fucking really thinks hard enough to know it ain't trust that's why, like in the relationship, you shouldn't lead with the word trust. Oh, you trust me this and this. And the third no, you should lead with do I know you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, because if you really led with trust, right, yeah, you meet someone three months later, oh, we're married now. Yeah, because I trust them, these people that wing the fucking marriages. Dude, you were together for what? Three months. Then you get married and you say, oh no, I know her. Yeah. You don't fucking know her, you don't know nothing. You don't know nothing. It takes, I believe, a minimum of two fucking years.
Speaker 1:Six pounds of pressure to break a nose.
Speaker 3:What? What the fuck bro? It takes time, bro. You can't just. You know what I'm saying. I do know what you're saying, but you also know those stupid people that go out there, that go to Vegas and get married.
Speaker 1:Do you agree that the statement should be removed that Harris is in good hands and actually?
Speaker 3:is.
Speaker 1:Harris in good hands, yeah, what people really think. Yeah, and also you, do you really think that you're in good hands or not? And if so, why? What are your reasons? And I'd like to know those reasons. I already told you, but you gave very small ones. You never, sure.
Speaker 3:I have some time with you, sure, and I never did you wrong, sure you never straight me wrong, bro, sure you never, just because I have a good record with you doesn't mean I won't straight you wrong sometime down the line, but you never know that until it happens. Listen. I was going to cut your finger off man, I know that, but that was my stupidity.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, I was going to let you learn from that yeah well, I guess you could say right the way I see it, right, you know someone until you don't Wow Because you really think? About it right.
Speaker 4:Why do you have to?
Speaker 1:do it, it's a funny phenomenon right.
Speaker 3:But when you really think about it right, you can think you really knew someone, like we were talking about. You married to a woman for 15 years. You thought you knew her, and then something happens and you really think I don't really know that fucking person. You thought you knew her, yeah. And then something happens and you really think I don't really know that fucking person. Who the fuck is this? Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you can really think you know someone.
Speaker 1:I don't have, like I'm not sitting here right now thinking about what the fuck is Catherine doing? Yeah, you know what I mean. Like I don't give a fuck. Like I don't have to think about that. She's sleeping with some other guy.
Speaker 3:But when you really think deep down, sure something a couple years down the road can fucking happen, yeah, but no, I know.
Speaker 1:What the fuck are you saying? No, it cannot fucking happen. I get that. How did you fucking conclude? That I get that right telling you is that nothing will happen, because I know the person Now, unless some stuff starts to happen. But I'm fucking in an intimate relationship with this woman.
Speaker 2:I live with her. I ought to fucking day to day.
Speaker 3:I should see her fucking mood and see how she is. Bro, I'm not saying Catherine, right? I'm talking about us, right?
Speaker 1:That's gay. I'm not talking about that time when we did the Christmas together.
Speaker 2:What Christmas, man? Or are you talking about Thanksgiving in my house? Oh my God, that's disgusting man. There was no stuff in your note.
Speaker 3:You guys have a sick fucking mind man.
Speaker 1:Hey, is that creativity or no?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's creativity.
Speaker 1:How so? You're fucked, we're fucked, no, you're fucked.
Speaker 2:You're bringing it up. He looks like Sinbad crazy right now. Who the fuck is this Sinbad bro? I gotta show him. Yeah, you gotta show him who the fuck is.
Speaker 3:Sinbad.
Speaker 1:Is he another UFC?
Speaker 3:motherfucker.
Speaker 1:It's something like that. Yeah, it's identical you're right yeah.
Speaker 4:Oh my god.
Speaker 3:Like John, I can predict a lot of the shape, most of the shape he does, john who Crespo.
Speaker 2:Not Schuster. Same shape, head bro.
Speaker 4:It does look like him. Let me see this real quick. Let me see here, look.
Speaker 3:Fuck you bro, fuck you bro. But why the fuck did you think? I was talking about Catherine, bro? We were talking about us, it doesn't?
Speaker 1:matter what it is.
Speaker 2:If you ever left us out there.
Speaker 4:Oh my god, what that was bad. What the fuck happened If? You ever left us that way.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, what that looks bad. What the fuck happened.
Speaker 1:Have you ever left us? That would be in a couple of months, right, oh?
Speaker 4:yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh damn, that's fucked up, bro. How old is he he?
Speaker 1:was young, 67. Oh, okay, he was due for one.
Speaker 3:you're saying Yo, I've seen 30-year-olds have heart attacks. What the fuck? Yeah. So you were saying. I'm saying bro, are we on to something here? Yeah, we're on to something. Trust is dead bro. Everyone listen to this. Trust is dead. Trust is dead.
Speaker 1:It's an insult. It's not that it's dead, it's alive and thriving, bro. You know everybody uses that word, but it's insulting.
Speaker 3:I see where you're coming. I don't want you to fucking trust me.
Speaker 1:I want you to ask me enough questions so we can get on the same page, so we can know what the fuck to expect. Like Harris, is this character and I can expect this from his character or not Everyone out there.
Speaker 3:I'm just going to state this. I'm talking to our listeners now, everyone out there. You had a lot of those. Stop using trust, the word trust, the word trust. Okay, think deep down. Do you actually know this person? And if you do, then that's great. The word trust is dead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not necessary.
Speaker 3:And if you are using it, if you know them, you can predict who they are and what they will do.
Speaker 2:I love when Harris gets to this point where he's saying a bunch of shit. He can't properly explain it, but it makes sense and he's confident about it because he had a few drinks oh fuck you man.
Speaker 1:Do you understand that he's bridging the gap on us, hey man?
Speaker 3:So you're saying I should have a few drinks before I make my calls?
Speaker 2:Right, because, like, is he not bridging the gap? Are you talking about for himself or for others? For others.
Speaker 1:You understand we're not supposed to be understood, so hold up. We're done Like we're old heads, so hold up, yeah.
Speaker 3:He'll bridge the. So hold up.
Speaker 1:So hold up, maybe I should have a couple of drinks before I make the call. It's possible? Listen, I don't think so, because you were not drunk. When we talked about the whole videos and stuff and everything that you extracted from it, you were perfectly sober, so I think you could do it sober easily, and it's not courage that you need. We talked about courage and actually courage is dead as well.
Speaker 3:Well, you need a little bit of liquid, liquid courage.
Speaker 1:But again, at the end of the day, what we're talking about here, where you don't need liquid courage in order, to be oh Mike just called me back.
Speaker 3:Why the fuck did he call?
Speaker 1:you.
Speaker 3:Yo Mike. Oh damn, I see how it is, bro Yo Mike.
Speaker 2:You last on the list, boy, fuck you. Pops Yo, mike.
Speaker 1:Oh damn, I see how it is bro, yo Mike you last night, liz boy, fuck you pops. Yeah, listen, you call everyone but me. Harris, intentionally or unintentionally, has channeled you during the podcast. Oh, wow, we're talking about the word trust, hold on.
Speaker 3:Hold on Time out. I challenged him, I channeled him right. Hold on Time out. I challenged him, I channeled him right.
Speaker 1:You channeled him I channeled him?
Speaker 3:Yeah, but he doesn't fucking call me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true, he calls everyone else. No, no, he called totally me and then you. He's going to call you next if I was going to pick up son man. You were first. Remember that you were first, I was second.
Speaker 4:I called you first, Harris.
Speaker 1:You missed the call, dude. No, I didn't, bro, there's no, call you owe him a fucking apology boy.
Speaker 2:You owe him a fucking apology boy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Listen, Mike he channeled you and he said that the word trust is dead. Oh wow, Mike has no idea what we're talking about, Mike.
Speaker 1:You're an idiot. He said. Mike has no idea what you're talking about, Mike. Why did he extract that? If you weren't present here for all the things that we said, why did he extract that? Trust is dead.
Speaker 4:Why did he extract it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know you have to dig deep because you've been sick with COVID, but try to dig deep. Ebola.
Speaker 4:Is it like something that I would know?
Speaker 1:You would know this. Yeah, you should know this. I mean, if you really think about the word trust and what trust entails, why is trust dead?
Speaker 3:Well, Mike still uses the word trust.
Speaker 1:It doesn't actually really work. Why not To get full?
Speaker 4:trust is dead. Well, mike still uses the word trust. It doesn't actually like really work. Why not like to get full trust is impossible why, because we always have our own horse in the race uh-huh and we still think we know best until, like, we fully commit so.
Speaker 1:So why do every? Why are so many people? So why do people actually use that as as a thing to like, as a ploy, to get somebody to trust somebody like hey, just trust me why do people do that?
Speaker 4:yeah because they don't know that it's bad they don't know that it's bad. Is that a shortcut?
Speaker 1:is that a shortcut?
Speaker 4:what to like gain somebody's trust to use that word or what?
Speaker 1:yeah, to like to almost like say hey, let's skip the process of reasoning and try to really get you to understand what's actually going on. Just trust me, bro, you don't have to understand what I understand, just trust me. That's a fucking insult, bro.
Speaker 4:I think most of those words that are used anytime you can use any word, it's going to be a disrespectful thing Because 99% of the people or whatever you want to call it, a very high amount of people don't actually back what that word means or understand it.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 4:And they don't use trust in the sense of like the person who really knows what it means lives to that highest potential right, tries to be the best version of himself towards himself and others, like an enlightened or person who's working towards enlightenment. The way he's going to use that word trust is going to be very, very cautious, because he doesn't understand the severity of it. But, a regular flipper head is not going to be able to. It's just a word that it's like a tool in your arsenal that you have.
Speaker 1:We have to be very careful. We found out that we have to actually be very careful using that word, because it's actually an insult.
Speaker 4:Really, harry said this.
Speaker 1:Well, Harry said that the trust is dead. Yeah, Because at the end of the day, if you need to trust someone, it's because you don't understand someone. If you actually know the person's character, you don't have to trust them. You know exactly what's going to happen next Sick. Yeah, that's for sure. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Chewie.
Speaker 3:All right, all right, mike, you missed a really good fucking podcast.
Speaker 1:He said you missed a really good fucking podcast. You have to listen to this one man. You will alright. Thank you, mike alright, enjoy.
Speaker 1:I got a package in the mail and it's something that I ordered. No, it didn't, but it said fuck you to Penny. When I opened it, it was a magnet grabber. Did it say fuck you? No, it didn't, but it said fuck you to Penny. When I opened it, it was a magnet grabber. It's a stick that opens up like this right, it's a telescopic thing that opens up. It's small, six inches, and then it opens up to be like two feet long, okay, and at the end there's a magnet on it right. When I opened it she was actually curious. My dog Penny, was curious what are you doing? I opened it. I said like this I held in front of her and she got very scared and I'm like oh shit, she thought that I was going to hit her with it. Oh shit, bro, you know what I'm saying. So she has something internally that she doesn't trust me that I'm not going to hit her.
Speaker 3:Pam wins.
Speaker 1:Whatever experience that she went through, where she saw a stick, that long hitting her but how long you ever had her, since she was a puppy?
Speaker 1:yeah, I did exactly so. Maybe something that was instilled to her before I had her as a puppy, right? Somebody else, eight weeks before that, instilled that, or maybe something, even from the parents, the genes or whatever that. As soon as I opened that stick and she saw that thing on the end of it and I held it, thought you were gonna play baseball, I her, and I was like yo, where is this coming from? I've never hit her with a stick. I've never hit her, like you know, I've never abused her or anything. But she's like yo and I, slowly what I did was she got scared. She got very scared Really.
Speaker 1:I took the stick. I actually have it here. You want to see it? Don't fucking do it. Okay, go ahead. Okay, for context, I already tried to ease her into it by showing her that it's not harmful. She smelled it and stuff like that. But she was still startled when she saw it. She's never seen this thing before. I've never seen this thing before as well, open it. When I first opened it like this, she got very scared. Yeah, exactly, she don't care anymore because I desynthesized her. Well, if you poke her or hit her with it. She's obviously going to be like what the hell?
Speaker 3:she doesn't take me seriously, man. She's like what is that?
Speaker 1:yeah, she's perfectly fine, but you should have seen it. It was crazy. I was like what the hell is this coming from? She really thought she like went down like this with her head, tail, went down, like like, please, like this you know what'd you do like well, I didn't do anything. I was like what the hell is happening, you know I know, but you were saying that you did something, oh and then I I opened it, I let her smell it, I put it down.
Speaker 1:You know she's like okay, this is not a threatening device, it's going to hurt me. But you see, what I'm trying to say is that she didn't trust me. She has history with me. She has two years with me, right, I never hit her like that. I never used a stick of this magnitude or whatever, with a thing at the end. Check it out, and what is this for? It's a magnet. You pick up little things, yeah. But why'd you buy this? For? By accident, I didn't buy it. It was in my cart because I was looking for something else, but it was purchased by accident.
Speaker 1:When it came in, I was like what is this? So as soon as I opened it, she was like what the hell? Oh yeah, she's completely fine right now.
Speaker 2:Bro, she doesn't give a shit anymore, and Arch would would not be afraid of this. I don't care.
Speaker 1:So what I'm saying is that, like she had that somewhere else, you know.
Speaker 3:Yo, I'm wondering what the hell the breeders did yeah exactly when.
Speaker 1:See, when I showed it to her, she then like, okay, now she's trusting that this thing is okay. But is she really trusting me? No, it's not a matter, she don't trust me because as soon as I opened it, she associated with some experience that was bad for her, that maybe somebody hit her with a stick or something like that.
Speaker 3:Oh shit, you see, look, she don't care, See. No, what I'm telling you is I think the breeders did something to keep them in line.
Speaker 1:This is what I'm saying is that we're going back to trust she trust. She did not trust me, even though she had plenty experiences with her, even though I never hit her like that, even though I never used the stick of this nature in order to reprimand her you can't say she doesn't know you though well, what I'm saying is that she, quote-unquote knows me, but she really doesn't, because she never knew me with this stick.
Speaker 1:so whatever experience she has, she went off of that up until I showed her. Look it, it's non-threatening, it's perfectly fine, look at it.
Speaker 3:What is that exactly? What is that exactly?
Speaker 1:It's a magnet, it's a magnet stick. Yeah, you pick up, like you know, like look what's magnetic, Come here, Do you have that thing?
Speaker 3:the rod of your dick, piercing on it my vape.
Speaker 1:See if you can pick up my vape.
Speaker 3:Take the thing off dude Wait, is there anything metal there? No, the same metal.
Speaker 2:Is this metal Stone man Hold up there?
Speaker 3:Oh, what the fuck your favorite?
Speaker 2:toy, your favorite toy, here we go.
Speaker 3:Fuck you man.
Speaker 4:Look, we got the favorite toy. Oh Penny. What the hell are you doing? Penny's a woman man. Now what's your excuse? God damn it.
Speaker 3:Love it, Arch. What are you? Doing man Arch is interested man, yeah, leave it.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so trust. You see, yeah, innately you're not supposed so trust. You see, yeah, innately you're not supposed to trust.
Speaker 2:Arch I know that I think you were saying this before that like there's certain dogs that like, do you say like a dog trusts you if they let you like rub their belly or whatever right, like they open up like that, yeah, like, yeah, arch is never scared of like to do that, or Penny or anybody, but some dogs have been hit, they won't do that. Oh no, of course not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if they've been, you know, abused and stuff like that. Arch trusts you, dude. Oh yeah, yeah. What I'm saying is that, arch, that surprised me. I'm opening up a new object completely randomly. She's standing next to me. He's about to hit me with it.
Speaker 3:Let's be honest, she might not know what it is and she gets freaked out by it.
Speaker 1:You see what I'm saying there's plenty of items that I could pull out right now out of a room where she's like she doesn't know she won't react.
Speaker 2:I'll put a leaf blower or something that looks 10 times scarier.
Speaker 3:Let's do this right. My cat Grayson.
Speaker 1:Here we go Our, our cat. Is this an imaginary cat or?
Speaker 3:the real cat. The real cat, it exists, yeah. So we eat off TV trays most of the time and watch TV, but whatever you pull that from what does that mean?
Speaker 3:we eat off of TV trays, tv dinners, no, like trays. You know what I'm talking about. You put it in front of the couch, you sit down and eat off it. Well, every time we pull one of these out of the holder, grayson immediately runs away Like he's scared of the fucking tray. We do this every fucking day, yeah, but he reacts the same fucking way. Yeah, what the fuck, there you go. What the fuck, there you go. But he's a very skittish cat, right? He wasn't adopted until he was like a year.
Speaker 1:You guys also didn't take enough time in order to acclimate the cat towards that thing. Right, like I said, I showed this thing, I let her smell it, I put it down. She, you know slowly, was like okay, this is non-threatening device. You know, it's almost becoming a toy now because they want to bite it.
Speaker 3:But grayson is very skittish, right, you can't go up to him and just pet him, yeah, but you should leave that tray out whatever this tray out is, it's out so she can smell it, it's out there's three of them out in front of the fucking couch dude. My dad uses it as a as a shelf for most of his paperwork. Yeah, there's just more. Yeah, you know I leave the tray out all weekend, but if my dad's on my guy closing I'm put it back, man okay, what is this tray?
Speaker 1:Can you take a picture of it?
Speaker 3:It's a TV tray. It's the fold-out fucking table that you put down and you fucking eat off of oh, so a fold-out table. That's not what it's called bro.
Speaker 2:It's called a TV tray.
Speaker 3:It's called a fucking TV tray.
Speaker 1:It's about that big. They function differently.
Speaker 3:It's about that big. Everyone's fucking got one. You obviously don't. It's a fucking TV tray bro.
Speaker 1:Okay, fine, I got it, Bro.
Speaker 3:TV tray tables, bro. You eat in front of the fucking TV. If you don't want to fucking sit at a table, you want to watch TV and eat. Bro. I'm calling you. Alright, Goddamn, where were you?
Speaker 1:You don't want to fucking sit at a table. You want to eat, watch TV and eat, bro, all right, goddamn, where were you? What do we have? Do we have any final thoughts on this?
Speaker 3:Yeah, you were raised in a fucking bunker. Dude In the barn. You were raised in a fucking barn. You don't know what to be crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, guys, anything else on trust.
Speaker 3:Trust is dead. Man else on trust. Trust is dead man.
Speaker 1:Stop saying anything else on trust, bro, trust is dead, it done, died. That's a lazy man's dinner, yeah man.
Speaker 2:Totally, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:What do you have, man? Because I think this topic is so broad that it pertains to so many of our illnesses.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like like how do we view like trust if you're in a desperate or like a bad situation where you're not capable of like thinking or like doing anything like that, like what happens then?
Speaker 2:oh then, trust almost becomes an illusion that is so influential for you to then, if you're desperate enough to take yeah, the thing is that, like, if someone's in a bad place at the moment, it's not a time necessarily in that moment to explain to them, fucking like, you know, sometimes you have to trust and then listen and then like that yeah, sometimes it's hard, trust and then listen and then like that, yeah, sometimes it's hard, I guess, because when we're in positions where we're like either teaching something or explaining something yeah, I would say like, or at least at times it's very, very difficult to take the, the like the person I'm teaching or training to the to the same exact journey that I went through.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, yeah. A lot of times you want to rely on trust.
Speaker 2:Well, well, yeah that. And then like, um, yeah, like I want better for them you know, like I want, um, yeah, yeah. Like you said like, oh, look, he ended up all right, you know. So like, yeah, like I always think that, like the next generation of learners are supposed to like Excel, excel or like yeah, they're supposed to. I'm not sure if it's supposed to be like. Do you think that it's supposed to be always as hard for everybody, type thing?
Speaker 1:no, I actually don't think so because, like I said, I think that because, now that I came from a camp of teaching you the way I taught you, you know this and you will have a hybrid to teach him, and I think that is what is happening and he will supersede you. Superseded me, he will supersede you. It's a a natural phenomenon Because of the fact that he's getting the proper hybrid wisdom to get to a place where he needs to be.
Speaker 2:But I'm not even saying that, like I'm not even talking about sales or anything like that.
Speaker 1:Well, in general I'm talking about in general. It doesn't matter what it is. As long as you have the opportunity to teach, you'll be able to supersede it yeah, and that's a very good thing.
Speaker 2:The hard part is again if you did something that was deemed stupid and you learn from it, how do you teach somebody else to not do stupid?
Speaker 1:depends, by evaluating certain attachments, desires and things like that and their, I guess, importance to that person or that magnitude.
Speaker 3:My dad would agree with you about certain things People need to make their own mistakes. My mom and dad raised me. Well, allegedly I did something stupid. Uh-huh, me and my friends. It was winter, my mom said no to them coming inside. So we said let's go to the sport complex and build a little fire. Oh, you know, there's a wooded area you know what I'm talking about over there by Heights. Okay, there's a wooded area by the pond. Uh-huh, and my brother came along and we used axe cans to start a fire because it was cold out and it got so big. They came, the police came, louis got us out of it. My mom was pissed off.
Speaker 3:My dad I thought my dad would be pissed off at the worst and he was upset, but he also knew kids gotta do fucking mistakes, yeah, and fucking learn from. Yeah, you know, we had to do fire starter program where we learned about fire is bad, this and this, yeah. But my dad, you know, when I got older, my dad explained that he did a lot of stupid shit that landed him in trouble with the cops. But you know what he goes? Most teenagers do experience something like that. They do something stupid. Yeah, they get in trouble. Yeah, he goes. Juveniles fucking do that. Yeah, he goes the whole point of it. The cops are not trying to fucking throw you in, fucking juvie or something. Yeah, they want you to be able to learn, like this was some stupid shit, don't let it happen again. Yeah, and I did learn from that. But you have to make mistakes in order to learn from it, for sure, and I made stupid mistakes. Some people learn, some people don't.
Speaker 1:And I think that, at the end of the day, I think your dad probably trusted the natural survival instincts that you had, where, sure, you'll do some stupid stuff, but you're not going to hurt yourself.
Speaker 3:Like the one thing he's been trying to. He has been trying to prevent some shit Like going in debt. Getting in debt, yeah, that type of shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's also another fire, right, it's another fire where you can make stupid decisions and get yourself in there and then you will take your time to get out of it. But it's super necessary for you to learn certain things that you need to learn.
Speaker 3:The reason he's been trying to do it. That particular thing would be with Toli. Yeah, he's gone through it before. Yeah, his dad bailed him out once and said that's it. He did it again, yeah, and he had to find his own way out of it. Find his way, yeah.
Speaker 1:Except that he didn't. It wasn't his own way, it was a hybrid way where his dad helped him out with it.
Speaker 3:Well, no, he did it again after that. Well, exactly, yeah. So he had to find his way out the second time. Second time as well, started working, and when he first started working for himself, he was pocketing all of it, not thinking about taxes, and all this and different shit when he started this company so he's like no, you don't, he files every quarter.
Speaker 3:Uh well, he wasn't following filing every quarter until at the end of the year. He gets a call from his accountant and says, hey, you owe them $10,000. He's like that's what that money in my account was. I was like, holy shit, I'm rolling in it you know Until the accountant. Let him know hey, you owe this fucking money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, where is? It at yeah, there you go, and he knew.
Speaker 3:When he gave the account and the money, he realized I ain't got no fucking money left. That's right, there was an illusion. Yeah, that was it. He had no money left. That was a learning experience. But my dad has been trying to prevent it, Just like totally has been trying to do, and prevent me from doing stupid shit.
Speaker 1:He's trying, yeah, but he's also flexible, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but there's still like on. Like, for example, when it comes to sales, like I understand the importance of doing stuff and failing at certain things, for example, and like getting destroyed on the call and like I don't know how you can bypass things like that, because there's always levels of confidence that you get, and then you get them. You get them and then you get humbled and then you kind of have to go back and then you say that like okay, that like you're really good at something, and then you go into something else and like you get humbled again and you gotta yeah, so you understand that process.
Speaker 1:Go back. Yeah, you understand that process, go back. Yeah, yeah, you understand that process and more and some things and some other things. You don't are you biased with that process?
Speaker 2:you are well I'm not sure if I'm biased intentionally. Okay, so you have to explain that. Like I'm not, like uh, I'm not saying that. Like, hey, I'm okay with this getting fucked up here, but not, but not here. Like I'm not always like thinking about, like, like that might be happening, yeah, but I'm not planning it like that. I just it, just not a troll like like I know that he's gonna get owned by certain people, yeah, or certain prospects, and some of them are gonna be very easy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if there's a um several, then they're gonna be very easy. It might, for example, create an illusion that, like you might be good at something, yeah, right. Like my, like what happened early on, right, yeah. But yeah, like that stuff I'm understanding about, ok, and like I've been through my own Sure, like you know my mind sales wise, learning, like in different things.
Speaker 3:Where the hell is no card. Listen, I sent you the tracking number, man. Where did you send it? In my email Email? Yeah, that was in there. Yep, because we need to practice this shit man, we will, I'm excited.
Speaker 1:I'm excited. I'm not because this motherfucker's prolonging shit.
Speaker 3:What's up with him? Not him. Oh, the other guy, yeah, what's his? Mr Brown, yo Braun. No, josh Braun, josh Braun. If you listen to this man, where are the fucking my note cards? Man, you fucking up my shit here, man, yeah, I'm trying to get on this sales shit man.
Speaker 1:Send them, send Josh Braun, this shit, yeah, this episode, man, because we got fucking People trying to learn we can.
Speaker 3:Because he's affecting my yeah growth, my growth man. He's talking about these note cards, man, but he's throwing them slow express man he's sending them slow express. It's going to take three fucking weeks. When did you order them?
Speaker 1:As soon as you told me. When was that, though? I don't know when did you get excited about it? I don't know, bro.
Speaker 3:When was the first day you sent me Josh Braun? I don't know when did you get excited about it? I don't know bro when was the first day you sent me Josh Braun.
Speaker 2:I don't know. You probably like earlier this week. Right, it was the first.
Speaker 3:No, bro, it had to be last week sometime. When did you send me that email? I'll tell you right now, bro. You sent the email to me. I ordered it on August 16th, 8th. You ordered it on the 8th. Yeah, the fuck bro 8th.
Speaker 1:It's been a while. Sure, I should have been here, but he said shipped it, he shipped it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I get that, but you're paying $50. That shit should go express Plus. It's just a couple of no cars. Think about that.
Speaker 1:What's the matter with these?
Speaker 3:people. It should go express. You're paying $50 for some, no cars. That means he doesn't have a good supplier man.
Speaker 1:He doesn't have a good that these things get shipped out like they're bought, like that. Yeah, exactly, this is like you know. He's cutting them himself, man, you know what I'm saying? I don't know.
Speaker 3:Bro, this is going two weeks now. It's probably going to go two weeks before we get this shit.
Speaker 1:No, it should be here next week.
Speaker 3:Monday, Tuesday dude, Come on, it's already past the week. He sent it out the 8th. So do we solve trust or what?
Speaker 2:I don't know if we solved it, but I think that we definitely cracked it, yeah, yeah, yeah, we definitely um went over it, but but like there, there's also like different things where it's like trust is lazy yeah, yeah I guess like the way I'm thinking about it is like, oh, it could make sense here, it could make sense here, but then it went when, when I actually think about it, it's just what we're saying is the correct thing to do, happening, but calling that trust, yeah. So sometimes it's hard to rewire yourself to think about things, because the word that you're associating with something doesn't actually mean what you associate it with.
Speaker 1:Yes, what you said, the word rewire, and that is what it's. If we actually understood what the fuck we're talking about. It's forcing us to rewire the way we think and the way we express ourselves.
Speaker 3:I think we need to rewire this world. Man, that's what I think, bro.
Speaker 2:I told you, when he drinks a little bit, he says some things that are truthful, but there's no way he can explain it.
Speaker 3:I can explain this right now. Okay, this world, if we really think about what we're talking about right now, is fucked. He read my mind.
Speaker 2:He's 100% right. Well, sure, okay, no no, no.
Speaker 1:What does that tell us what? What does that tell us that in this fucking moment, we're all synced in and understand the same thing On?
Speaker 3:that, yeah sure, but this world is fucked. I wish we could send it across the fuck world, this thing, right here, Harris?
Speaker 2:how about this? Harris, how about this? What do you think is going to happen? Harris, how about this? Are you?
Speaker 1:willing to call your mom right now and tell her this that's fake, fake news. Call her right now. What On record, what am I calling her for? Say, hey, mom, everything we knew about trust is actually dead.
Speaker 3:She's going to think I'm drunk or high bro.
Speaker 1:Let's hear it.
Speaker 3:Hold on. What time is it over there?
Speaker 1:It's three hours behind, but you're good. No, it's one hour.
Speaker 3:Yeah 707.
Speaker 1:Come on, it's early as fuck. John's probably going to be in the background. Even better. Everything we know about trust is dead.
Speaker 3:Hello, hey you busy. Not really right now. What's going on?
Speaker 3:So I just had a phenomenon with Eldar and Anatoly and we really talked about trust and when you really get down deep into it, there's no such thing as trust. It's really how well you know a particular person, what trust is dead okay, that's stupid, because there absolutely is something about trust okay, but trust right? You're basically saying you know that person so well, you know what they would do and how they would do it. So basically there is no trust. You just know that person particularly well.
Speaker 6:No, there's ways to know people trust them, and there's ways to know people trust them. And there's ways to know people and not trust them. How? Because you could be friends with somebody and yet you don't have that trust that you need, because you don't know what they're going to do with whatever, you need to trust them.
Speaker 3:Are you really friends with that person? If you don't know, like me and John right, I know everything John would do yeah.
Speaker 6:I know, I don't know, it could be just one of those things. I mean, it's probably more of an acquaintance in that case. But that's the point I'm just saying. It's ridiculous to say there's no such thing as trust.
Speaker 3:Right, well, well, I believe I get where they're coming from. Right, trust is dead Because, like you, right, I know everything about you. You've been around me from throughout all my life and I know how you think and I know everything about you. You've been around me from throughout all my life and I know how you think and I know you know, I know what your next steps would be, what you would do. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I know how you would react and that type of things. I know what ticks you off and all that shit.
Speaker 6:So that's what I'm saying okay, is that trust and all that shit.
Speaker 3:So that's what I'm saying. Is that trust? No, it's just knowing a person, okay. So don't you think trust would be dead. I mean, I know you so well, I know you would never harm me, I know everything right. So if you really think deep down, it's not trust, you just know a particular person, right? I've heard some stupid things he said so this is just another one, alright, I just wanted to share that with you. Okay, thank you, alright. I love you. Alright, bye, bye.
Speaker 2:That was epic, I'm you All right, bye, bye. That was epic, that was epic.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry about her man. Why are you sorry. Why are you sorry? She said, she said stupid things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, I'm supposed to be the bad guy. What I'm supposed to be the bad guy, why?
Speaker 2:Well, think about it, he sure said he was so stupid when you were asking for his advice.
Speaker 3:Huh what the fuck are you going to say now when you were?
Speaker 1:talking to him about that COVID stuff that I was going through. He helped you out with that unemployment, huh.
Speaker 3:Or when I was younger and you'd go to him to talk some sense into me.
Speaker 2:There you go. What was happening then? Huh, that's the thing.
Speaker 1:She formulated certain opinions about me, which I think naturally people do, but she doesn't actually know who I am and the times that she did. She accepted my advice and everything was fine, and until this day she's still blessing you to work here, to make money and be around me. Think about that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, she wasn't totally on board, but she came to terms with it.
Speaker 1:However, a lot of people that use the word trust and try to explain themselves in such a way, without really thinking what they're talking about, will have those type of attachments where they say, like what are you talking about? You know what I mean and try and explain to them. Well, we just had a whole little conundrum here. It's hard in the matter of a phone call, it's hard to explain, explain, can you imagine? Though?
Speaker 2:If his head was high as fuck and you got that phone call, you'd bug out.
Speaker 3:I should have had her eat some gummies. Bro, Trust is dead.
Speaker 4:Can you imagine, I don't trust you anymore.
Speaker 2:Just think about it You're sitting to yourself and you're high.
Speaker 3:But she admitted I was right at some point.
Speaker 1:She did admit that she's like, hey, you have a point, but she can't come to terms with it.
Speaker 2:She cannot. No, I'll tell you one thing, harris. At one point or another, all of our parents like me, mike, whoever they all feudal as an enemy.
Speaker 3:Seriously, yeah, seriously, yeah, well, yeah, why well? Think about it. What what is the problem they're making? What is it because you make us actually think, or we think differently after meeting, your mom knows you a certain type of way and she's controlling that identity about you when she talks to you. The weird part was when I came to work here. Yeah, my mom goes. Don't let eldar change the way you do things like it was like she had this hunch. That's crazy, right? Yeah, I don't know, man. Is it true that mothers have instincts?
Speaker 1:or what the fuck is. Well, she might have had that instinct, for sure, but it's almost like she's afraid of what's actually gonna happen, but she has to to pick her hands up and say if she said don't work for him, quit right now. That's a different story. She's like, okay, work for him, but don't listen to what he says. That's a different thing.
Speaker 3:I was talking to my mom about what I learned here and what I'm doing and how I'm trying to be. You know you guys are trying to turn me into a sales guru that I'm able to close deals. Her first response was please don't let him change who you are. What does that mean? I don't know who the fuck are you. She thinks everyone, when they think of a fucking salesman whether it's selling an actual product that actually fucking works that they're fucking sleazy. Listen to me.
Speaker 1:If your mom is under this impression that Harris is such a good person. I'd love to know that side of you. I'd love to know that you know what I'm saying, Because that's not what I'm trying to change.
Speaker 3:If that's true, what's about you?
Speaker 2:But if her standards are so low and she views herself also a particular way. Yeah.
Speaker 3:My question is you gotta understand that our, our, job here?
Speaker 1:to tell you the truth, right now, me and toli's job is to corrupt. Yeah, obviously, obviously, what?
Speaker 3:do you mean obviously, obviously, how so your job is to make me really fucking I don't know think about. Am I yeah person I should be, I guess yeah okay, you understand.
Speaker 1:You came from wanting to cut your finger off or jumping out of a fucking airplane without a parachute. This is who you are. We're trying to ban all that and say that, motherfucker, you should jump out of a plane with a parachute enjoy yourself and have a guarantee that you're going to land and have fun. You want to hear something crazy.
Speaker 3:I'll tell you why. I know all that.
Speaker 2:I have the solution. Solution. I don't know if you linked it, but it was actually one of the philosophy topics I wanted to talk about. I sent you a clip. I think it was earlier in the week.
Speaker 3:Hold on, it's a funny clip.
Speaker 2:But it brings in a funny, it brings a very interesting topic into play. Do you remember that clip with that girl who's a podcaster? Bobby Althoff? I don't know who this is. It's one where she's calling her a musician.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did see that. Do you remember what she says? No, I don't remember that but, she owned her completely what the fuck yo?
Speaker 3:before you say something, mike just sent me a link, a naked picture. There's a gym in Japan. I think a lot of our listeners would like this. There's a gym in Japan where women bully you into lifting and force feed you protein shakes.
Speaker 1:I'll send you there right now if you're ready to go.
Speaker 2:I can play this off another thing.
Speaker 3:I don't have a passport, of course.
Speaker 7:Baby, one thing about me is everybody knows I'm so good with the people. You saw I always make a lot of money. That's amazing. I don't. I didn't know that about you. What do you know, that you're a musician? That's why I'm interviewing you today, so I can get to know you. So I'm interviewing you today so I can get to know you. So I'm a musician. What the fuck that mean? Make magic or something? What is musician? I think you're confusing that. Yeah, I'm not no musician. I make music, I make music and that's not all I do.
Speaker 2:This is going to be like a big mic drop moment for you once you connect what I'm saying here.
Speaker 7:Okay, Music I act. I'm a TV star too, a young model, just really quick. I think you're confusing. I'm not confusing nothing because you don't know. You thought that all I was was a magician or whatever the fuck. You said See, that's what I think. You think I said. I said musician, not magician. I don't think baby, I don't think what is that? That's ghetto, I don't think I know. So you think I didn't say magician.
Speaker 1:Suki.
Speaker 2:I said musician, oh shit, Do you catch my drift now or no? She don't think. She said no, she's saying what does she say about thinking? She said I don't think. I think, baby, I don't think.
Speaker 7:I'm not confused or nothing, but you don't know, you thought that all I was was a magician or whatever the fuck you say. See, that's what I think. You think I said I said musician, not magician. I'm a magician. What is that? That's ghetto. I don't think.
Speaker 2:I know, I don't think that's ghetto, that's ghetto how is that ghetto? How is that ghetto? Because this is in the same way anyone who's challenged to think right they're viewed as like that's a bad thing. Because this is in the same way Anyone who's challenged to think right, they view it as like that's a bad thing and that's like a poor man's version of living life. You need to know.
Speaker 3:I'm confused because people that think Is that a real thing? What?
Speaker 1:Is this a real thing? It's like this is a fad, I think you're smoking crack Did you do crack in high school.
Speaker 3:This would be wild.
Speaker 2:My speculation on things is that, for example, she's basically challenging and saying yo, I think that this is what you think I'm saying, which means that you're, by default, saying that you don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And she's saying I don't think, yeah, right. And she's saying I don't think thinking is ghetto, and she's using that word because she's saying thinking is like for losers, right, oh, shit, yeah.
Speaker 1:She's a response.
Speaker 2:She's talking about. She's like, thinking is ghetto.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and she's using a negative connotation yeah.
Speaker 2:That thinking is a bad thing. She's like I know, and she's the whole time in the conversation plopping her as hot shit, oh, I act, I do this. I'm music, I'm not a magician, I'm fucking. You know this. When she's just not hearing what she's saying.
Speaker 1:She's saying that you're a musician, my man.
Speaker 2:You're fucking saying that you make music. Therefore you're a musician. What is the issue you're having with that? But I feel like when you challenge people that don't think, they often think that thinking is bad, knowing is good. But how, where did that come from? I'm telling you.
Speaker 3:This is a crazy top dollar. That person is stupid.
Speaker 2:Do you call?
Speaker 3:your mom stupid. No, I'm calling this lady.
Speaker 2:But she is stupid for the record. For the record. Are you For the record?
Speaker 1:Are you trying to level up past your mom?
Speaker 3:You know, I think that's what every parent wants, right? They want their kid to be more successful, Do they yeah?
Speaker 1:absolutely See. The challenge is I'm not sure if they do See, hold on, hold on. Her advice to you was hey, just don't make sure he doesn't change the way you think.
Speaker 2:No, no. She said don't make sure he doesn't change, you Change you Don't make.
Speaker 3:See the thing? Everyone, like I, was saying when they hear you know I'm a sales development rep the only thing they hear is sales. Yeah. And whenever someone hears the word sales, they automatically go back to that point. What have you?
Speaker 3:said that it's a sleazy salesman trying to fucking trick you into some shit that you don't need. But they're right, the videos are right. You have to know that your product can really change something and our product can. There's not a lot of handwritten letters out there anymore. Most of the people I talk to, even the company. What was the company called Handwritten? That was one of the companies. That's right, they're not handwritten. They're not handwritten, it's a fucking machine. That's right, it's a machine.
Speaker 1:Thank you, Trump.
Speaker 2:Trump. Oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:Harris Trump. Oh, I'm sorry, harris, it's not handwritten. And I've had customers that admitted that to me, like yeah, there's a company called handwritten. You know they use a machine, it's a dollar more. Then I'm like then it's not handwritten, it's not, that's right. And from what I understood, I did research on the machine and the machine screws up a lot that machine and the machine screws up a lot that machine. So I'm pretty sure it takes longer to fucking do this shit. Probably, yeah.
Speaker 1:Those companies go out of business.
Speaker 3:Well, how can you call yourself handwritten? In my eyes, that's false advertising.
Speaker 1:That's why you have to use the letter Y to describe handwritten and not the letter I.
Speaker 3:You have to misspell it. Getting back to that woman, that was just talking on the video.
Speaker 1:Do you do misspell it this? Is what I said, bro.
Speaker 3:You can't claim that, bro. Getting back to that woman, if you're called a musician, I would take that as a fucking compliment, right?
Speaker 1:Because you understand what the word means. Yeah, but she's not hearing that she's not hearing that she's not listening to, that she thinks she's saying magician.
Speaker 3:Who is this fucking woman?
Speaker 1:I don't know, I don't give a fuck who she is, she claims she's an actor, and all this shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my only point of that is that I think that people view that this type of topic is something that we previously discussed, but taking a stance that you don't know is a very poor stance. That's what she's saying Before we. You know what To a degree I agree with that. No, but she's saying poor in the sense of like.
Speaker 1:I agree with her, but she actually got this one wrong. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. If you got it right, then you can stand on your shit, but she got it wrong.
Speaker 3:Both of you hold your stuff for a minute. Silence speaks words. Okay, think about what you're going to say. Next, I have a video to play myself. It's one of my all time.
Speaker 1:This is not John Crespo dancing in the rain.
Speaker 3:But this guy here is one of my favorite sheriffs. He's fucking hilarious. He speaks truth. Everyone be quiet and think about your next thoughts, okay.
Speaker 1:Hold on one second Before you play that. Play pause. I have a fart coming. You want to smell this one or no?
Speaker 3:fuck you okay, cool make sure you do it into the mic.
Speaker 8:Come here, come here that's a bunch of hooey, that soft and cuddly feeling we're going to hug a thug and if we give them, you know, another popsicle and an icy and a day out at the park, they're going to be good. Y'all need to wake up. These dudes are taking y'all for fools. These are hardcore gangsters, gangbangers. They'll eat your ice cream on Saturday and shoot up their rivals on Saturday night.
Speaker 3:This guy will literally curse these guys off. I'm surprised this dude, this sheriff, is still fucking a lot dude. He literally goes off on live TV. You might have seen some of his videos. Guy was trying to break into a house and the homeowner shot at the guy and he never came forward. But the guy was arrested. The sheriff went on live TV and he goes. This guy was trying to break into the house. Whoever shot at the man, come forward. We want to give you an award. You did the right thing. You got every reason you should have shot and killed him like. This dude is open about this. He's like I don't really give a damn. You know this sheriff's got major balls and he goes after the gang. So what are you trying to say with this whole thing? I just think the sheriff has balls.
Speaker 3:No, you need tough love, dude. These people, these people need tough love man.
Speaker 1:And that's why you gravitate towards us, because we have tough love.
Speaker 3:No, that's not why I gravitate towards you. Yeah, you got tough love, bro. You make me think real hard and fucking you make me learn lessons the hard way.
Speaker 2:Hey, does it feel good? Absolutely feels good, 17 minus 12.
Speaker 3:Fuck you, man. I'm not doing this, man.
Speaker 1:He's relaxing.
Speaker 5:Leave the kid alone. All right, give me some final thoughts on this shit, man Trust.
Speaker 1:What are we doing with trust, With trust?
Speaker 3:What are we doing with trust? Totally trust me with his mom all the time.
Speaker 2:Oh shit, I do because I know you got the smallest dick.
Speaker 3:I got the biggest dick. I'm the bull from New Jersey and I keep families together, Everyone listening you just remember that. Enjoy that.
Speaker 1:So if you ever want it, we can arrange it Totally. What do you have, man? Give me some final thoughts on this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean on trust. Yeah, I think we should try to avoid requesting trust from others.
Speaker 1:You stole my shit, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think if you know what's going on, you should try to Damn bro.
Speaker 2:You let everyone hear that bottle boy, which, which you know, what has always been like um, um, not, not. That's always been my philosophy and like, maybe, what I said, I I say, but I feel like, like, like the way that we act and I feel like and do like we're not like crazy show offs and like like we don't lead with what we own or have, for example, we try to lead with the words we have in the actions we take. You see the fucking Rolex that I'm wearing right now.
Speaker 3:No, mike is crazy, bro, he goes. Are you guys still doing the podcast? I said yeah, he goes, I'll be there soon. I said we're doing final thoughts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So I feel like, like, um, I've always liked that. So like, like, even the sense that like, for example, like if I have something that I can help someone with or I can teach them something, right, um, I like the fact that, like, I like the process of them. I don't want to lead with, like yo listen to what I have to say, I make a lot of money and I have a lot of shit. Therefore, you should follow me. I like the approach of if they can not judge, just for the record we have all that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I'm saying that if they cannot judge a book by its cover and still read it, I think there's value in that kind of relationship.
Speaker 1:Agreed 100%, and I feel like I think what you're asking for ultimately right it's a long-lasting relationship.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like it's very easy to trust the guy who wears a suit and a nice watch and a Ferrari when it comes to thinking that they might be For a majority of individuals, for a moment up front right. But I feel like it's a more interesting process when you don't flash all that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you're about that life.
Speaker 2:And you're about that life and you could still get to a point where you could teach him, for example, those things. And they trust you, not trust you is a bad word.
Speaker 1:How the fuck did this fucking gremlin land here? What? How did he land here? That's a phenomenon you have to think about, okay hold on a second hurry up man.
Speaker 2:How did he land here?
Speaker 1:how the fuck did he land here? Is this Destiny? I don't know.
Speaker 3:Good, okay, I got final thoughts, because I don't either, I got final thoughts.
Speaker 1:Okay, go ahead, give me some final thoughts, if you fucking put up a share video.
Speaker 2:I'm going to tackle you.
Speaker 1:Yo don't take it for sure man Put your shirt back on. Fuck you man.
Speaker 3:Okay, free the nipples. Yeah, but everyone in this world, if you're listening, wake the fuck up. Trust is dead. Everyone needs to get that through their head, everyone that's listening to this. You need to think real hard about this. Wow, what is trust? It's nada. It's about whether or not you really know the person. Yeah, how well you know. If you don't know him, sit down, sit your ass down and get to know him and know whether or not. Should I be friends with this person? Should I associate with this person? Trust is dead. Dead as a dog Door was blown, not kicked in. It was blown up, all right.
Speaker 1:Trust is as a dog Door was blown, not kicked in, it was blown up.
Speaker 2:All right, trust is dead for Harris Trust is.
Speaker 3:Baghdadi.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Baghdadi If anybody doesn't know what that is.
Speaker 3:look up Trump and Baghdadi. You'll understand where I just came from just now. Best fucking announcement ever Ever.
Speaker 1:I would have to agree with Haz, but you have to expand some of this. I would have to agree with Haz, but you have to expand some of this. These are my final thoughts and the fact that is, yes, trust is dead, but there's context behind why we're saying what we're saying.
Speaker 3:That's why I said you need to sit down and you really need to think about it.
Speaker 1:The truth of the matter is Harris, sorry to tell you. Trust is alive and well for a lot of people.
Speaker 3:Yes, that's why I said they need to really sit down and really think about what is trust.
Speaker 1:The word trust is alive and well. They use it. They abuse it.
Speaker 3:Unfortunately, our podcast is not going to air across the world.
Speaker 1:Why do you say that? Right now we're on Apple Music and Spotify, bro. So yeah, so people that they can find us.
Speaker 3:Unfortunately, it's not going to expand to everyone that needs to hear it. The whole world needs to hear this, but why do you say unfortunate?
Speaker 1:Why do you tag the word without most successful, most important podcast as unfortunate?
Speaker 3:This is the most successful podcast.
Speaker 2:What's the matter?
Speaker 3:with this guy. What the fuck's wrong with you, man? I'm a little tipsy, I'm not going to lie Fine.
Speaker 1:We're the most successful podcast in the world.
Speaker 3:We're balls deep in this podcast.
Speaker 1:You don't understand it. What I'm saying is that, even though trust, yes, is dead for us, it's not dead for the world.
Speaker 3:You know, we should really name this podcast.
Speaker 1:Why do you have a problem with the podcast name?
Speaker 3:Because this name that I'm about to say is a lot better than our current name. Speak the truth with dennis rocks, because you want to be honest, everything we talk about is the truth. Man, think about it. You're not going to agree with me, but okay, we talk about real shit. Speak the truth with Dennis Rock.
Speaker 1:Do you esteem totally to be a person of knowing? I mean, yeah, does he know some stuff or no? Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Sure, he doesn't know everything?
Speaker 1:Sure, he doesn't, but let me ask you this question then. Right, he's been around for a little while, right? And, trust me, he disagrees with Dennis on a lot of things, and he trust me, he disagrees with Dennis on a lot of things, I would say 99.9% of the things. Does he make any suggestions of changing the name of the podcast?
Speaker 3:No, but I'm still including Dennis's name. Speak the truth with Dennis Rocks.
Speaker 1:Fine. Why do we need to include the speak the truth Like? Why is that a business trying?
Speaker 3:to put on the suit in the Ferrari? No, I'm not. It's very powerful, it's very powerful, it's very powerful.
Speaker 1:It's very powerful. How do we know we speak the truth? You just had an experience today that we might have be speaking the truth. No, we talk about no.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's the only way you can understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:No, we talk about real Huh.
Speaker 2:Could, could you finish a whole pie of?
Speaker 3:pizza right now? No, when you really think about it, we speak about a lot of serious issues. We are the world is suffering from right now. So if you really want to think about it, we're speaking the truth, man.
Speaker 2:I don't think that, even if you speak the truth. I don't think that you need to ever broadcast it. I think what you can say is that we try to speak as honestly as possible, we try Correct and if it ends up, aligning with the truth, then that is a good thing, exactly, and we might get it wrong as well.
Speaker 1:We just may be subjectively saying certain things that make sense to us.
Speaker 3:What the hell is going on here. Why haven't you hit any of the buttons, man?
Speaker 1:But the truth of the matter is your mom.
Speaker 3:When we just called her, she said hey, this is BS bro, I know, but she did agree with certain stuff, but she can't wrap her mind around it right now, not yet. Exactly. That's why it takes her time.
Speaker 2:So what is the truth then? What do you mean? If people can't wrap their mind around it, they're in denial, so you could just say that you, you know you. We speak Mythbusters as honestly as possible, for the moment in time, yeah Right.
Speaker 1:And then if it's, anybody can tap into it, great, if they can, whatever.
Speaker 3:Everyone needs to sit their asses down, yeah, and really think about what is trust.
Speaker 1:Okay. So, like you said, you made a thing about the whole thing about relationships and trust. Right, you don't have to trust people if you know them, and I agree with that. But the truth of the matter is, you know, this is a big one, yeah, because a lot of times the word trust is being used in relationship terms, right, and the truth of the matter is that if someone uses the word trust, right, hey, trust me, bro, in your relationship. If you're a thinker, let that be. As a skeptic, let that be. Take that as in like a almost hey, uncle Mike. Uncle Mike is here, mike, you came for the right moment, man, I can't believe he came back. Yeah, how you feeling man Good, I rested a lot.
Speaker 3:Yeah, good, he's going to get something to eat with us. Totally Good, are you coming or no? No man, he's going to get something to eat with us. Totally. Are you coming or no? No man, I'm going to a special place today.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right, he's going on a date. You know what? She's wearing Absolutely nothing under that dress.
Speaker 2:What the fuck, wearing absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1:Harris's mom in my house last night oh my, God, are you going to bless her for the 62nd birthday? Well, hold up, hold up.
Speaker 3:Because all three of your mothers were riding my shit last night. Oh, that's how I should believe. Man and your sister, man, oh shit, thank you, mike.
Speaker 1:Shit Trust is dead and we have a lot to say about it.
Speaker 1:A lot of the times, a lot of the times, harris, a lot of the times, when we talk about concepts like trust, courage, some other stuff, right, mike actually is the person who concludes that this shit is dead.
Speaker 1:And today, funny thing is, you channeled him and he concluded that trust is fucking dead, that trust is insulting way of speaking, communicating, right? We're like, hey, trust me? No, shouldn't matter, you shouldn't fucking trust them, because we have inclination internally inside of us that should tell us like, why should we trust you? So the other individual has almost a burden of proof to explain to you, to the individual, why not that they should trust them, but they should understand why the process is the process, so they can be empowered enough, right, empowered enough to level them out. Because if the person who's asking for trust is here, okay, which I'm showing above and the person who doesn't trust is down here, right, you don't want them to just like yo, trust me. No, you want to bring them up high enough to be like yo. We understand each other's points, so you don't have to trust me anymore, because we both understand. And when we're on the same page, we feel good. And it is right, mike, and nobody's above anybody.
Speaker 3:Mike final thoughts about this.
Speaker 1:No one gives a damn. Shut your goddamn mouth, you boy. You really wanted to get that one out, right Harris? It was really in you, right bro?
Speaker 4:I was driving here, Mike bring the thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you were driving here. You don't get no final thoughts, man.
Speaker 4:I was driving, you weren't here. You don't get no final thoughts. I want to give a disclaimer. Yeah, I'm going to give a disclaimer.
Speaker 1:This might make absolutely no sense, oh my God, because I was out for a little while and my brain is not no problem, but nonetheless you have some thoughts.
Speaker 3:I had a thought might not be a real one.
Speaker 2:Fuck man Used to clock for you to like clog the the top of it. Yeah, what is that? I don't know, because when, when, when you pull it there, there's like a moisture thing with the sticky stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it gets sticky, I have to fucking put the toothpick in something.
Speaker 4:I got when I was driving. I was thinking about trust and maybe possibly I was thinking it might apply to other things.
Speaker 2:But before you continue, mike, me and Elder made a revelation today that Harris looks like Sinbad. Do you agree? Sick, fuck you where's my body?
Speaker 4:I like it. I like it, harris. I have to find it again. What happened?
Speaker 1:go get it.
Speaker 4:Uh, yeah, so like, um, I was driving here and I was thinking about this whole trust thing, you know, and I was trying to understand. Oh, I remembered is it possible to use any of these kind of things like trust and other stuff right, and ask it from the outside world? If you don't have it towards yourself, let's say first of all, and other stuff right, mm-hmm. And ask it from the outside world, right, if you don't have it towards yourself, let's say first of all, okay, what does that mean? Give me an example. Like a lot of times, people say, oh, respect is important, right, yeah, but if you don't respect yourself, how are you expected to respect others? Sure, or others to respect you, yeah, and others to respect you.
Speaker 1:I was thinking about that and I think trust too, if you don't trust yourself in which sense, in regards to what, how, you don't trust yourself, because we have very specific examples.
Speaker 3:And you don't know yourself.
Speaker 1:Wow, you know what. Harris, are you sitting right now? You're sitting like the Buddha and Sinbad.
Speaker 3:I'm sitting like Eldar right now.
Speaker 1:Yo, you have the ability to put your feet like that. How the fuck do you?
Speaker 4:Even Tully can't do that.
Speaker 3:Even Tully can't do that man, you never fucking did this as a fucking kid. What are they called the pretzel shit?
Speaker 4:Yeah, he has thunder thighs though.
Speaker 3:Bro. He has thunder ties though, bro. This is how I used to play video games.
Speaker 4:After he was 8.
Speaker 3:No, I actually didn't. I didn't stop growing until.
Speaker 2:I was like 22. Does his knees look like the ones of a child?
Speaker 3:I didn't stop growing until I was like 22. I was delayed man. He was delayed a little bit it's fine.
Speaker 2:What the hell is wrong with you putting your shoes on the couch? This isn't fucking Kerry's gay palace Gay palace oh my bad. Shoes on the couch. This isn't fucking Carrie's gay palace Gay palace oh my bad. Boom. Let me shove my foot up your ass, boy. Ow that almost hurt.
Speaker 3:How do you like them? Dim apples, so Mike.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so saying.
Speaker 1:Well, I was thinking more about respect. Yo, yo, I can't look at his gay socks. Fuck you man. They're white but black, right we're going to century 21 and we're going to buy him some new socks. Remind me of this.
Speaker 2:On Monday, we have to order the gold toe Black or white.
Speaker 1:One black, one black one white, alright, that's it Going forward. We're going to buy him some new socks.
Speaker 2:I told you he needs new socks and new underwear.
Speaker 1:Why do you look like fucking Nicole Kidman, bro? Fuck you After she was kidnapped. Yeah, what the fuck man. Yeah, his socks look like fucking.
Speaker 2:Why is she? Fucking putting our shoes in fucking pile dude, you look like Kid Rock got a fucking. Well, it's cutting gut fat yeah.
Speaker 3:Don't disrespect Rod's neck Mike.
Speaker 1:Sorry Mike, we keep interrupting you, no worries.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're saying self-respect, I was saying Self-trusting yourself, self-love.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right love yeah.
Speaker 4:What do you mean by trusting yourself? Oh, I think that I can't understand it, but I think there is a thing where you trust yourself, that you know that you're doing the right thing, uh-huh, that your thought is correct, that your speech is correct.
Speaker 1:Be very careful of that.
Speaker 4:Huh, you have to be very careful of that oh yeah, oh, I mean I, I, but I guess in that thing also there's a thin line between being egotistical, right yeah?
Speaker 1:You know. But the problem with that is that how do you measure that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would say it's probably more dangerous to trust yourself than not to trust yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Maybe because you can fall into like a pad.
Speaker 3:You have to get to a place enough where you need to go in the middle of the woods. You're a knowing skeptic.
Speaker 1:Fuck you.
Speaker 3:You need to go in the middle of the woods, man. You need to go somewhere. You're alone, no devices, and find yourself.
Speaker 1:You're finally fucking tuning into that. Can you put your shirt back on, though?
Speaker 3:Free the fucking nips man, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Free the nips. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:You need to find yourself. You don't trust yourself, Mike.
Speaker 1:you understood our point about trust, about how like it's actually very condescending, almost Well, I wasn't here for the whole thing. If you're requesting for someone to trust you, yeah, it is a lazy way of Copying out and not explaining yourself Of what you actually mean, the reasoning behind what it is that you're meaning Like, hey, bro, trust me, just do this and you'll be fine.
Speaker 4:I'm gonna give you a. I understand what you're saying. No, you don't. We need to use my example again bro, okay go ahead.
Speaker 1:Tell me your example, because I know an example.
Speaker 3:You dated a chick for 15 years.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, what was her name? No, let's use that as an example.
Speaker 2:And she cheats on you. Okay, with a man or with a woman who gives a fuck, but it's different.
Speaker 3:Yeah, whatever. Okay, she cheats on you. You trust her. Okay, that's what you claim. You trusted her. Did you really know her? No, probably not. Okay, the whole point is you have to really know someone.
Speaker 2:It's not about trust yeah, the the example that elder was giving before. He was saying that like if you know that, for example, like chocolate is bad for dogs, and he knows that chocolate is bad for dogs and you guys have that shared mutual understanding, you then don't need to trust the person will put away chocolate for example because you don't need to trust, because you share a mutual understanding about something.
Speaker 2:Therefore, you both agree on something, which means that you don't need to use trust, that they'll take care of them or that they'll do right by them. For example, okay, like trust is more of like it's an insult If I say that, like yo, like, oh, like you're going to pick up my sister, like, oh, I trust you with her, it would mean that, like me saying that would mean that, like it shows you actually don't trust me. Well, no, it'd be showing that I think that, like you're a potential idiot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Harris did admit Mike about hey, hey, .20 minutes ago that he could finish a whole pie of pizza right now.
Speaker 3:Hey, I'm going to go pick up your sister, okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, I trust you, man.
Speaker 4:That's what we're going to go see.
Speaker 5:We're going to go see Paris eat a whole pie right now.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I was watching the movie while I was sick the Equalizer, and I don't know if you remember it.
Speaker 4:The third one the third one, the one where he goes yeah, yeah yeah, I watched that one and the old man asked him you know, when he kind of like saves him and he comes to uh-huh, you know, yeah, he's like, are you a good man or are you a bad man? Like kind of like, did I save a good man or a bad man? Yeah you know. And he said, I don't know, and that was like the end of the scene. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:So after that kind of like yeah, it probably, I guess, depends to who right.
Speaker 4:To some people he might be a good man, to some people he might be a bad man Well, yeah, yeah, I mean, obviously it's a glorified kind of thing, it's in a movie, but later on in the movie he's like uh, yeah, he asked him. He's like something about it. He's like so how like did you figure out my good man or a bad man based on your question kind of thing? He said well, a good man would never say that he's a uh, he would say he doesn't know, but a bad man would say he's a good man. You know, because I guess the truth Interesting.
Speaker 4:The truth needs to be, doesn't need to be defended, no, but the dishonesty does need to be defended Does have to be defended. That was the example that I was trying to relate to this. A hundred percent.
Speaker 1:A hundred percent If you ask for trust. That's crazy. That's a crazy connection, but it's right. Yeah. It's right, it's 100% right. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4:You don't need to ask for it. You don't need to defend yourself, say, oh, you can trust me, or you can respect me, or Because you know what you're about. I'm a good person. That's right, you know yeah.
Speaker 1:But so if you told his mom, the trust is dead. Oh my God.
Speaker 4:And she said what the fuck yo.
Speaker 3:She said, yo don't listen to Elder Be careful, don't listen to Elder. But she did agree with some of the stuff I pointed out, but she can't.
Speaker 1:Why are you defending her? I'm just saying, she agreed so you're saying that she has a chance or no?
Speaker 4:If she can actually sit down and put her mind to actually no, ain't no heaven for a G.
Speaker 3:She has it chance. What the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 4:you never heard Tupac.
Speaker 3:Ain't no heaven for a G oh, I thought you said a Jew bro.
Speaker 4:I'm like, bro, you're telling yourself that's a given, that's a given, you're telling yourself we went over that too.
Speaker 3:That is your homework alright, totally, and Eldar were very happy with that that I challenged.
Speaker 4:Totally you did, and Eldar were very happy with that that. I challenged Tully. You did challenge Tully.
Speaker 1:Hey, don't fucking ever say that out loud again when he's here. Why?
Speaker 3:Just trust me. What the fuck he wanted me to challenge him? I hope so. That's what he said. Good, he said he wanted me to challenge him.
Speaker 4:I didn't hear that I wasn't here for that, Bro it was on the podcast, alright, fine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he did do a good job. He went and he challenged him for certain things and that was good, yeah, but I did.
Speaker 3:I think my mom really needs to sit it down because she did agree with some of the stuff I was saying, but she wouldn't accept that trust is dead.
Speaker 1:Because you need to explain a little bit more.
Speaker 3:I don't want to get into no fucking argument.
Speaker 1:Why not? Isn't that what the point of this whole thing is?
Speaker 4:Yeah, but you got to become her parent one day.
Speaker 1:Aren't you tired of her telling you what to do?
Speaker 3:She don't tell me what to do anymore, she does all the time. No, bro.
Speaker 4:All the fake stories you bring to us. That's what you're talking about Exactly.
Speaker 3:I tell her you know, I want to do this crazy shit, uh-huh. And you know she says you know, I don't think that's a good idea. I said, well, I want to do it. She goes, okay. So why do you tell her what are you looking for? Approval or a blessing? Yeah, but it's just never going to happen. Like I told her, hey, I want a bull ride. She goes, it's dangerous.
Speaker 4:but you're an adult. He's actually looking for somebody to talk him out of it.
Speaker 3:No. I'm really not. She said you're an adult.
Speaker 1:But I would never watch you do it. This is a crazy point.
Speaker 4:You know that we are magicians here, harris, we know how to Harris.
Speaker 1:You've been playing checkers or something less for very long. What's less than checkers? Nothing.
Speaker 3:I don't know Chess and then checkers.
Speaker 1:There's people playing chess here, man.
Speaker 3:But let me do this. I said when we go to South Jersey, there's a place in Manalapan, it's a bull riding school. I'm going to go there. While we're there, we're going to take you there. Good, good, I'm very excited. Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1:Are you going to wear those tight pants that you wear when you hang out and watch Netflix with John? Fuck you, okay, fine.
Speaker 3:The bull from New Jersey getting on Reaper.
Speaker 4:Yoga pants with John Fuck you. That was disgusting Okay, Yo what's up? With this Roddy Bull.
Speaker 1:He learned a lot. He said, yo, this podcast is crazy and people need to hear the shit. And I can't believe it. And all this other stuff. Man, we have the truth and all this other stuff.
Speaker 3:Mike, over here is a thief man.
Speaker 4:He's a thief, right, I am a thief, yeah.
Speaker 3:You stole my name, bro. I'm never going to let that go, man. You stole my name, you didn't even ask for permission.
Speaker 4:I'm holding it for you.
Speaker 3:You didn't even ask for permission, man.
Speaker 4:You just put it on there. When I'm done with the PS, I'll give it to you. You'll have it already set up Yo.
Speaker 1:Harris, I know you did your final thoughts again, but I think you have something else on your on trust.
Speaker 3:It's dead as a fucking dog man.
Speaker 1:It's dead as a dog. It's all Baghdadi.
Speaker 3:As Trump would say about our Baghdadi it's dead. They're dead as a dog. We didn't go through the door, we blew the door up. It's dead.
Speaker 1:Dead, it's dead.
Speaker 3:Okay, everyone sit back. This is your. Everyone that's listening to this right now before. How does this help them?
Speaker 1:how does this help these people? How does this? If everybody actually listens to this shit and understood what we're saying, does this level them up?
Speaker 3:I think so.
Speaker 1:I think their whole world can change, just by what we speak, man totally you believe this, that if they listen to it, if they listen to it, I think so I think their whole world can change. Wow, just by what we speak, man.
Speaker 2:Totally. Do you believe this? That if they listen to it, if they listen to it and understood what we?
Speaker 3:just said it levels them up. Well, yeah, but I think there's like a lot of context needed. Well, yeah, that's why I said before next week, everyone needs to sit down and really think about this fucking topic and come to and see if they can understand where we are coming from right now.
Speaker 1:What are you going to do about it? What do you mean?
Speaker 3:How are you going to spread the word? I'm going to sing it from the choirs. I love it. We're going to make a song. You know how I sing the Kid Rock? Yeah, we're going to make a country rock. You know how I sing the Kid Rock? Yeah, we're going to make a country rock song About trust.
Speaker 1:Trust.
Speaker 2:Trust me in the Tennessee mountains he still gets it wrong. Trust me in the Tennessee hills he still gets it wrong Guys.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much, this was great.
Speaker 3:Hey, we love y'all. All right, have a good one, thank you.