Dennis Rox
The 'Dennis Rox' podcast is a deep dive into the intricacies of personal development, self-growth, and the obstacles one may face on the way. Hosted by Eldar with regular guests Mike, Anatoliy, Phillip and Katherine, and Tommy the conversations explore themes such as anxiety, self-sabotage, the pursuit of happiness beyond materialism, and the complexities of love and relationships. Other topics include the impact of societal values on personal fulfillment, humility, and the often misconceived notions of success and wealth.
Through personal stories, philosophical debates, and thoughtful discussions, they explore various aspects of challenging one self and achieving personal growth. The conversation often shifts from individual experiences to broader societal critiques and is characterized by a focus on depth and seeking genuine understanding over superficial conclusions.
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129. Harris' conservatorship, taking accountability and the nature of learning.
What happens when financial control clashes with friendship? In this episode, we confront the heated debate surrounding Harris's earnings and the suggestion of a conservatorship, echoing the controversial case of Britney Spears. Harris stands firm on maintaining control, while friends, especially John, push for protective measures. Tune in as we unravel the trust issues, financial responsibility, and the intricate dynamics that challenge personal relationships and autonomy.
Next, we tackle generational accountability by examining how societal shifts have shaped the attitudes of Gen Z. Drawing from Jordan Peterson's insights with Joe Rogan, we explore the impact of overprotective parenting and PC culture on young adults' sense of responsibility. Our discussion extends to the debate over disciplinary methods, the long-term effects of spanking, and the quest to influence positive societal change through open dialogues on platforms like ours.
Lastly, we delve into the symbiotic nature of teaching and learning relationships. Through engaging anecdotes, we highlight the mutual growth between mentors and mentees, the importance of self-reflection, and the challenges of helping those resistant to change. With moments of humor and camaraderie, we emphasize patience, accountability, and continuous effort in fostering genuine understanding and development. Join us for an insightful journey into trust, growth, and the delicate balance of guiding and learning.
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On this week's episode. What it's been told to me exactly, are you gonna always be hiding behind your mom?
Speaker 3:you're trying to stop the way I think, about the way I'm thinking. Shit, you have a condition. I don't have dementia. You have amnesia. I don't have amnesia.
Speaker 1:You do no, no, yes, no, all right, this is official now it's gonna be on record. He muted you no no.
Speaker 3:Yes, no, this is official. Now it's going to be on record. He muted you, john, john, john, since you said that you don't get nothing. No, no, no, no, no, stop, stop stop stop.
Speaker 2:John, being your best friend, he knows what's best for you yes or no, of course. You get 5% Guys going forward. You're under a conservatory.
Speaker 1:Fuck you, just like Britney.
Speaker 2:Spears was no.
Speaker 3:You got to take me to court to do that.
Speaker 2:What do you mean? No, I'm taking you to court right now. I'm telling you this is how it's going to be.
Speaker 3:It's not going to be that, yes, this is how it's going to be. I'm going to sign a contract.
Speaker 2:I'm giving 5% to that, john can you please help this guy out?
Speaker 3:Do I kid him, yo, you're going to take my money just like Britney.
Speaker 2:Spears what we're going to do is going forward, guys. Going forward. John has. John, his best friend, has 25% stake.
Speaker 3:Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're out of your goddamn mind.
Speaker 2:What do you?
Speaker 3:He's not having a 25% stake in my shit Listen.
Speaker 2:I remember you trying to jump over the fire while you were drunk and the guy that came to your rescue was your friend.
Speaker 3:You're out of your goddamn mind if you think I'm giving him my whole stake.
Speaker 2:No, you have to give it to him. No, I don't.
Speaker 3:Yes, no, he was trying to touch his cat and I stopped him.
Speaker 2:Bro, you're out of your mind, this is my money.
Speaker 3:I I'm making money off this shit.
Speaker 1:It's our money.
Speaker 2:We're not married. I told John.
Speaker 3:If I ever made it big, I'd take him on. He didn't say that.
Speaker 4:I said if I ever made millions of dollars, I'd take him on as my social media consultant.
Speaker 3:I'd take him with me.
Speaker 2:Why are you disrespecting your friend like that? He's been with you for a long time. He saved your life that day.
Speaker 3:He did not save my life. Yes, he did. I know I was not going to die.
Speaker 2:Harris, you were going to go into the fire and nobody would ever recognize you what you're suggesting yes, what you're suggesting, the best thing for you Is that.
Speaker 3:I don't make any money off this no you make a lot of money.
Speaker 2:You just don't make any decisions on the money.
Speaker 3:You're basically telling him to give my whole share and I make zero. What's the problem with that?
Speaker 2:Yes, he will, as your good friend will allocate the money.
Speaker 3:No, that's not happening. Why not? So it's a deal. Okay, you guys can control my money. John cannot, why not?
Speaker 2:Awesome, why not John? John's a good guy.
Speaker 3:I'll give you 5%, I agree, 25%. No deal, don't deal.
Speaker 2:Can you help him out, Tully I can't help him.
Speaker 3:Mike, you're telling me right, if this thing starts to make millions, this?
Speaker 2:guy's going to give me my money?
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, he's not, he will.
Speaker 2:He will make sure to give me the money the proper way, of course, why not? Didn't you say John is good at saving.
Speaker 3:I don't know what he's good at. I've never seen his bank account.
Speaker 2:Did you say that I thought you were good at saving? You told me this?
Speaker 3:When did you say that? You said you had 70 grand in the bank Expose I gotta get out of here.
Speaker 2:Alright, cool Sounds good. Bye, another walkout.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, nice. No, I'll give John 5%, but I hereby put Eldar and Mike in charge of my money. Okay.
Speaker 2:What about Tully? He's the man I thought he didn't want. No, he wants to be part of the conservatory you want to be part of the conservatory.
Speaker 1:I'm going to be in charge of the conservatory.
Speaker 3:How do I know you're not just going to spend my money?
Speaker 1:Because he's a good guy. That's right.
Speaker 3:I'm already rich In your face, but I get a monthly salary, correct?
Speaker 1:No, you might get everything, you might get nothing. Yeah, you might get zero.
Speaker 2:Or you might get everything.
Speaker 3:But how do I know how much money I got? You don't know. How about you show me a piece of paper and say this is what you got in your account? You?
Speaker 2:can't touch it. Do you understand that the social media, your social media account is called what Harris is in good hands? Can you explain to?
Speaker 3:me what that means. It means I'm in good hands.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's pretty good, good job.
Speaker 3:I have a question, okay.
Speaker 4:Can you just?
Speaker 3:show me, like a month, how much is in the account, like every month.
Speaker 2:We can show you the account, sure, sometimes. Yeah, we can show it to you, but it doesn't mean we're going to give it to you. We're going to give it to you in accordance to what you need.
Speaker 3:I have to request everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you have to put in like a little request and then John, your friend, can speak for you. He's going to be a little chat and see whether or not we should be giving it to you or not.
Speaker 3:What do you mean? I don't have, I have no say whatsoever.
Speaker 2:No, you have a say. You complete your case Doesn't mean that you're going to get it or not.
Speaker 3:So if I go like say, I had 10 million in the bank, yeah, go ahead. And I say, hey, I want a million dollars.
Speaker 2:And I said, hey, i's going to go to the table, I mean to the floor. We're going to go and we're going to be like, okay, why? We're going to ask you why? Why do you need the million dollar house? What's this, what's this for? You know like you have to explain yourself and if you have a good case, we're going to vote, we'll make a vote and if you have a unanim to say yes, then you get it.
Speaker 3:Can we write up like a contract?
Speaker 2:here Are we writing it up right now.
Speaker 3:No, I'm sorry, it can't be in words, dude. What do you mean? It needs to be in paper.
Speaker 4:We can write it up.
Speaker 2:What's the contract you want? 25% goes to. John.
Speaker 3:No no no no, and you are. We just had an agreement you guys would be in control of it. John is not in control of it. Yeah, john is not in control. Why not? John gets 5% for sitting on the desk.
Speaker 2:He just said 5% though. He said 25%, 25% to John, yeah, 25%.
Speaker 3:No, you get 5%. It's opposite day. So no, it's not. Yes, it is you guys. Guys, hold on to the 20.
Speaker 2:Alright, and then we distribute it in accordance to the conservatory situation that we do have, which is, we have to agree upon how we're going to distribute those funds, we have to agree on a monthly payment plan.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:Well, we'll make sure that you're going to be okay.
Speaker 3:No, because I want to make sure I have money in my name.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. We're going to go based on what Tully believes in. And now, what does he believe in? Do you remember?
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:Okay, tully. He believes that you should not get any money until you get the mental.
Speaker 3:Right, and he can explain that to you a little bit. Yes, what do you mean by mental? Right now you're a piece of shit, probably Okay, we're all pieces of shit, dude, all right, pound it right there, all right 25% no.
Speaker 2:No fuck you.
Speaker 1:If you develop a bit, mentally into a better person, then you can get some of the money.
Speaker 3:Some of the money, yeah. So until then, you three.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it might take you 30 years to not be a piece of shit. It might take you five years.
Speaker 3:I'm not sure. So the three of you are going to be in charge of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we have to unanimously agree upon some of the decisions that we're going to be making.
Speaker 3:So once I'm not a piece of shit, I get all the money.
Speaker 2:You might be part of the whole situation. We're going to maybe get John or somebody else to come in here and you're going to be part of us doing the same thing to someone else, absolutely.
Speaker 3:So we're going to bring John in and make sure he's not a piece of shit anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah whatever, if he is, we don't know yet. John has not like showed his cards yet.
Speaker 3:When you sign the contract. Can you be blindfolded, please? No, I'll actually bring my lawyer from a family member, robert from North Carolina you didn't make that up.
Speaker 2:Robert's going to get fired.
Speaker 1:As soon as he gets in here, he will be fired he's very close family with the Schuster's he's not coming all the way out here he's from North Carolina he's going to drive up here 10 hours so since that's settled, robert's going to come up here going forward.
Speaker 2:You have zero stake in the whole thing whoa, whoa.
Speaker 3:That's not how it works. I have a conservative state. I have a 25% stake, but I cannot hold it. I do have a stake, but it's controlled by the three of you.
Speaker 2:Good, you heard it, john. He's not part of the three. He has the 5% and if he's a piece of the three, he's not.
Speaker 3:He has the 5%, just Just. And you, if he's a piece of shit, you got to hold on to his Okay, let's see what happens.
Speaker 4:Relax.
Speaker 3:Relax.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 3:I'm not taking my money, man.
Speaker 2:We're going to segment from this little conversation onto the topic that we wanted to talk about it more in depth, because he feels like I'm a piece of shit. Well, I don't know if you're a piece of shit or not. He is okay, confirm, confirm confirm your piece of shit.
Speaker 1:What's up with the drinks, bro? What are you talking about?
Speaker 2:Totally. Talk to me why. Why did you want to pick this top topic subject? Talk about Tully Tully. Talk to me. Why did you want to pick this topic subject? Why do you feel like this is important and what should we be doing?
Speaker 1:Well, so for the, a topic is around the young generation, which we'll like, we'll call that. Let's say like I don't know, let's say like under 30 or something right, or like what?
Speaker 2:What do they call them, gen Z? We're not considered Gen Z. What are you guys called Gen?
Speaker 3:X. We're not considered what they're calling people nowadays.
Speaker 2:Oh, you guys consider the LGBTQ community. Fuck you, harrison Tahiti.
Speaker 3:Fuck you we were born in the 90s, so technically we're not considered Gen Z. Okay cool, we're not considered.
Speaker 1:I think we are. No, we're not Anyone who's like a younger side, right? I mean probably like 27 and under, or like you know I love how he just cut himself out, dude, so somewhere there. But it, I mean it applies to everyone at all ages in general. Yeah, right, but um, so I've I've been thinking about this concept in general for for a long time, right and um, I also just recently recently listened to um a segment of Jordan Peterson. He was on a podcast with Joe Rogan and he was also talking about, well, he was talking about how he sees a huge issue in young adults with being accountable for their actions and taking responsibility for things, and how this is the biggest challenge and one of the things that. How this is the biggest challenge and one of the things that's bringing down society and the younger generation.
Speaker 2:How does he see it? And what's the problem? Why is this happening in the first place, this phenomenon?
Speaker 1:Why is it happening? They're basically saying that the PC culture and the participation trophy culture, okay, and like that whole kind of like movement, that like like you can be, whatever you can do, whatever like you can like yeah, just just like oh calm yourself all right before you continue.
Speaker 2:right? Are you guys still on topic with us? Yes, Okay, very good.
Speaker 3:You understand where we're going with this and it totally has a problem with the way I think.
Speaker 2:And do? We did not talk about you at all just now. How'd you know he was?
Speaker 3:talking about you, though, because this is how the topic whole got started, dude.
Speaker 2:Okay, let's see if it goes there.
Speaker 1:Let's let him finish. I mean, Harris is definitely in this bunch of people, but it definitely did not start with him.
Speaker 2:He's definitely not the original, he's just starting.
Speaker 3:B for no reason.
Speaker 2:Let's see if this actually applies to you. Let's hear it, right.
Speaker 1:So I'm trying to think where we're at. Oh yeah, you're asking how is this happening? Or like, why is this happening?
Speaker 2:No, what did he say? I'm interested to hear what he said it was more of like.
Speaker 1:I didn't listen to like the whole conversation, but basically he was talking about how, like that whole movement again of like the PC culture, like the culture, like the like think whatever you are, like you know, like just like be whatever be whatever do whatever Right.
Speaker 1:Like that whole thing is breeding. Basically like kids to be or or like not accountable. Yeah, so he's basically saying that like that whole culture is creating um that like that whole culture is creating um these uh kids who grow up, who get this like sense of like entitlement, you know now, like they have everything like so they can never be wrong about anything. Like they never grew up with like being like yo, you actually fucked up, you're wrong, you're a dumbass right like that yeah, that kind of like parenting or maybe that kind of like um, stuff in school, right they're.
Speaker 1:They're more in like the lines of like, oh, you shit on the floor, it's no problem, you know, just like, uh, yeah, whatever, you know, like, yeah, so, um, I feel like, as the young generation continues to age and like, if you speak to young people or like you like speak to somebody in their early 20s or like around that age, they have a very hard time taking responsibility for things and you can see that this in like siblings, you can see this in like people that you know, right, that they have a very hard time being wrong. They have a very and and and and. You see this in adults if you have conversation with them. They could be in their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s.
Speaker 1:We see this in our parents, right, yeah, they may mess up on something and they try to deflect it on something else. Oh, it's someone else's fault, right, and they kind of like grow into this, right, they may think that like, hey, like you can't tell a kid like how it is Right, or like you have to kind of protect them almost from this, right, and then I like it, like it's hard for me to like.
Speaker 2:Where did this conclusion form from? Like you're supposed to shelter kids from telling them how things are in order not to offend their feelings like where did that, where did that stem from?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, that uh, that's also a bit a big factor is feelings, right, the protection of these feel feelings is what creates these types of of people. And then the issue, uh it um is that uh is that, like they grow up and they um form like conclusions about the world, because they kind of face, face some harsh realities about things where, like, actually no one gives a fuck who you are. Uh, like like this thing about like everyone's entitled to your, to this opinion. You can voice it, you can share it, like be loud, you know, like, yeah, like, like they're, like there's this promotion of like this, like they they call it, I guess, like um individuality, right, and like uh, that's not individuality at all yeah, like, but, but, but.
Speaker 1:But like they talk about in these kind of ways where, like you matter, like no, you don't fucking matter. You're an idiot. Who the fuck told you that you matter? Yeah, you know. Yeah, in what circumstance do you matter? You might matter to your mom and dad, yes, right. Maybe to your grandma or to your best friend, but you don't fucking matter. Yeah, right, yeah, like the world proves that, like they don't give a fuck about you. Yeah, you know. Yeah, no one cares about if you're successful or not, or like you learn something or not, nobody cares, no one cares.
Speaker 1:So it's like that. It's like false promotion of the stuff, like it leads people to like believe these certain things and they can just do whatever and more or less like a run amok and then like this behavior when you're young. It continues, um, and then it continues to like travel with you throughout your whole life and you have a very hard time understanding, like, why things are happening. I think that that's probably the the biggest thing that you won't ever understand if, if you, um are like grown into this kind kind of life, you'll you'll never be able to tie things. You'll never be able to tie things together. You'll never be able to understand why is this happening to you.
Speaker 2:Why are you failing at something? I got the problem.
Speaker 3:Everybody understands the problem. Yeah, I just want to say fake news. Why do you think it's fake?
Speaker 2:news. Hey, listen, are you drunk?
Speaker 3:No, I just want to state the reason kids start to act like this and I can attest to this is because in the old days I'm sure you know you do something wrong. Kid got a fucking ass whoop. No, maybe Not all the time, but yeah sure, if you did something seriously wrong you were disciplined and you were told that's not right. You were wrong and you got spanked a little bit. The new generation of parenting is spanking is not right. But what is right? You got to discipline the kid, you got to tell him he was wrong.
Speaker 2:No sure, but I think that the argument that they're having is like okay, don't hit the kids, right, but how do you hit them? I think there's a different way to hitting kids, to explain them what they did wrong, for example. That's not true, because, okay, let's listen to this. Right, I'm going to bring this together for you. Right Today, we sat down and we went over some of your calls, right, okay, and what happened? Right, we pulled a very specific call, we gave you feedback. Right, we didn't spank you, we didn't pull your pants down, even though that's what you wanted.
Speaker 3:I knew it. Listen, I'm going to put your pants back up, dude.
Speaker 2:Let me finish my thought, let me finish my thing right. We sat down, we gave you what Critical feedback right, criticism, whatever you want to call it? And said look, this is how you should be doing it and this is what you were doing wrong, and you internally agreed with that. You said you know what I'm? A fucking I suck. That's what you said. Hey, hold on one second. Yeah, I get it. You said I suck. You started spanking yourself. You were being accountable for that moment right in an yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:In a way, right, you felt bad. You're like I'm beating myself up, I suck. Uh, this is it right. You got spanked by first the criticism and then you spanked yourself by feeling a certain type of way towards it.
Speaker 3:I got news for you. For the past two weeks I've been feeling that way.
Speaker 2:So what? Why did you have to say that this is?
Speaker 3:completely irrelevant right now. I'm going to make a point here.
Speaker 2:You're not making anything right now. I'm making a point. John, is he allowed to talk? John, you have to go on forward. You have to say I'm going to stay.
Speaker 3:I want to see what you say.
Speaker 4:I'm going to stay where I'm coming from.
Speaker 3:Right. I got spanked one time in my life and that was by my boyfriend. Oh my God, my dad Never did anything against my dad again after that. That was it. I learned my lesson Don't fucking piss him off, don't do anything wrong around him. But with my mom, my mom didn't believe in hitting Spanking. That was a big problem they had. You better bring this point home. I'm bringing it home. My mother did not spank me and when I became an adult, I told my mom. I said you should have whooped my ass. I said I never did anything Once my dad spanked me. That was it. I learned my lesson. I never did anything against him again, against the rules around him. But with my mom, I didn't learn my lesson with her. If she would have spanked me, I would have straightened the fuck up Going forward.
Speaker 2:how would you like for us to handle the stupid shit?
Speaker 3:that you do. He wants spanking. No, I'm talking about kids. Thank you, john. I'm talking about kids, spanking kids.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. We're not even talking about those kids. We're talking about the kids in their 20s. Yeah, I get that, but the that the reason they get there is they're not disciplined.
Speaker 3:They believe they can get away with everything.
Speaker 2:Sure, but he also explained, totally explained, how they got here in the first place, right? And the reason why they got there in the first place is because we are trying not to spank them. Let's just say we're trying to cuddle them, be compassionate towards them, right? And next thing, you know, everyone has a trophy, everyone, everyone is a winner. And that's a problem, because the truth of the matter is not everybody is a winner, especially in competitive things, right, but everybody gets a trophy nowadays, correct? Yeah?
Speaker 1:I also think with hitting kids or spanking them or doing that. That's probably more of an example of a teaching disabled parent trying to teach a learning disabled kid. Oh my god.
Speaker 3:Yes, spanking has always been a thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's always been a thing amongst the teaching and learning disabled. It's not disabled.
Speaker 3:Yes, Every person I met my dad, some of my friends. I'm sure you've never been spanked no, you're not but I've known. I've talked to several people and they all Got spanked.
Speaker 1:They're probably all morons, you never got spanked. What does that have?
Speaker 2:to do with anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the point is no, no apple juice. The point is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Old days, even the 1990s, the early 2000s parents were spanking Harris.
Speaker 2:this is one of those things where we tell you that you're wrong and you just go with it because we told you it.
Speaker 3:I'm not wrong.
Speaker 2:No, I'm telling you. This is one of those things where we're just going to tell you without having to explain anything, because our explanation will not register anyway. I'm just going to say this Agree to disagree.
Speaker 3:Okay, sure, agree to disagree.
Speaker 1:I'm sure our viewers You're about to knock over the beer that you're about to agree and disagree our viewers yeah, would agree with you.
Speaker 3:Okay, sounds good all right yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So so like if, if you don't have the ability to teach a young kid something or to explain it properly, then you're going to have to use force pain right I mean yeah, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1:Like in, uh, and I mean in like your older life, right, yeah, like, if you're at a job or I don't know like you rent in like an apartment, right, if, like, your landlord tells you, for example, rent is due on the first of every month by end of day, right, they explain it to you. When the first comes, you don't have the money. If this happens multiple times, or like this happens, what's going to happen? You're going to get spanked in, like a way, right, yeah, you're going to get like the discipline route, because it was explained to you. You signed a contract, you agreed to it and if you don't pay it on time, this is what's going to happen Physically removed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, same thing with credit cards, right, car payments, whatever. You sign particular terms. If you're an idiot and you don't read them, for example, you also get spanked. That's the world. That's the world, right? So if you read everything, you agree to it, you kind of abide to it, you go with it, then, like, like you are not learning disabled in that kind of way, right, and you have the ability to read and learn and understand, and then you don't have to get the spanking. So then what?
Speaker 2:what problem are you having with this whole accountability situation?
Speaker 1:well, you personally. So the the the problem I have is that there seems to be again like, um, you see it a lot between like, uh, parents and kids, and then just like again, like, as those kids get older and then just like go into the world. They're not equipped to like handle the world almost, or like be in it or function properly. They don't have the right tools. So who cares?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean no, I'm just saying why do you have that? Why do you find this to be important, or why do you find this to be, maybe, something that bothers you?
Speaker 1:I mean, I think that If it does no, I mean, ultimately I don't really care.
Speaker 2:Because I think that on one hand, you're saying're saying, hey, this is a problem, but the truth of the matter is the world is going to balance it all out.
Speaker 1:Well, no, I mean, it does with everything.
Speaker 1:It sounds like you can have a message or you could strive towards trying to impact the world in a particular way where, for example, if you have kids or if you're speaking to people who are younger, I guess you can have a desire to impact change in a way where you don't raise kids or you don't be a part of kids' lives who act like this and who grew up like this, and those people are put in a better position to function properly within the world If not the world will do us justice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if not, then it's just like a harder penalty and a harder lesson.
Speaker 2:Okay, so let's just say that. And the penalty is what? In my mind? How I'm viewing it, is that the penalty is very simple If you're in your 20s that you didn't learn shit that's supposed to be learned, I don't know, in your 18s, 19s or whatever right, you're just going to learn it in your 30s or 40s. What is the problem?
Speaker 1:Or never, I think.
Speaker 2:Or never.
Speaker 1:It's part of it too.
Speaker 2:You're just going to keep hitting those blocks.
Speaker 1:My main point, I think, is that if we, as a society would like to progress and evolve ourselves, we need to understand these things and we need to be when you say we is it like a collective?
Speaker 2:Who's in the we category as an agreement? Me and Mike are almost hitting 40. You're in your 30s, they're in their 20s. Yeah, like, do we have a collective agreement that we want to progress as a society? Mike Paris, he wanted to chop his finger off us, not the way that you're thinking about chopping a finger. Not the way you're thinking about. You missed the podcast, like, like you say, we as a collective would like to progress. I'm not sure who we is.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm saying more, more, more of like um, I'm playing devil's advocate here, you know I'm saying more of, uh, like of. The factors are like hey, like what, what's what, what's gonna play out and what's gonna happen to the people is gonna play out, is gonna happen. I'm very well, well, aware of that. What I'm saying is that, like it doesn't mean that like, for example, like, if we have kids, we should not act or think a particular way.
Speaker 1:I agree with that 100% For example, Without kids yes or we could just play the role of like yo, kind of like, you know, look, whatever, whatever happens happens to them, happens. No, like world, would like, like the world will, uh, will, figure itself out. I'm saying more of that, like if, for example, like all right, like I mean like we're recording a podcast here for people to listen or not, or or just like you know whoever wants to listen to it, right, yeah, but people who are listening, you know, the more people that listen, potentially right at some point, um, the more impact and the more spread these kinds of ideas can get. All you know the ones that we speak about, and my main point is that, like, if you understand that this is going on and you kind of investigate into it and you find it to be important, I think that, um, you can influence the world of the people around you in particular ways to, um, help people get put into a better position than into a worse, or one.
Speaker 1:I'm saying Like, like, for example, if, if you're, for example, just all about money, right, just making money, right, you can influence the world in that way and say like yo, this is the most important thing, nothing else really matters, this is it, and you could, and that's your marketing campaign for your existence and for the world, right? What I'm saying is that, like we can have a better market, I mean like we can have our marketing campaign, which is to not in rate raising of these types of people will, who will then live out particular ways. Right, like, and I think that's our attempt. Yeah, that's, yeah. I mean that's all I'm saying. I feel like that's unanimous. No one like here.
Speaker 2:Yeah well, yeah, here only. But like I thought you more when you said the word we as a society, here only. But like I thought you more when you said the word we as a society.
Speaker 1:Um, I think it's hard to speak for the society. Well, no, I mean, like, the, the, the, the part of the society that, like, agrees and thinks in this kind of way and has the ability to to potentially one day learn and impact, they will jump on board and also agree with these kinds of things like that's see, like more questions come to my mind like society, for example.
Speaker 1:It, um, it progresses one way or another. Even if it takes on certain things a couple of steps back, it eventually continues to go forward. Right, like society tries to innovate health and get better tech, food, living, everything. Right, like that, like society progresses, but as a whole it progresses at like, I guess we can maybe consider a slow pace, but that's because you have a lot of people collectively, at all different levels of understanding, trying to all progress together, right, so, like we as a society are always in a progressive state. Like that's just like a natural order of humans. Right is to progress. Okay, so, um, that's what I'm talking about. Is that, like this topic, it might not get, it might not be important. Um, now, it might not be important in 50 years or 100 years. It might take a thousand years to realize the importance of this, and then important measures will be changed and implemented and you'll hear about things on political figures talking about this kind of stuff now, did you hear political figures a hundred years ago talking about global warming, for example?
Speaker 1:was that term ever important organic stuff you hear the presidents's now talking about cryptocurrencies. Yeah, yeah, like there's an evolution of things, right. Society evolves in particular ways. And he's like yo, maybe our climate's fucked up, there's something wrong, like with the way that we have a relationship with garbage, or that the banking system, like fossil fuels or like whatever it is right, like I don't personally know how severe or not severe it is or what's actually happening, yeah, but you hear that term all the time organic food, right.
Speaker 1:Like at first it was like one one, one point in the world. Everything was organic kind of right, like you had the hunters and gatherers getting straight killing, straight fresh meat right and like getting fresh veggies and fruits and stuff like that. Then it's like yo, we have a shit ton of people we need to mass produce. Yeah, right now it's like it's trying to go back the opposite way. Think about it now. Now everybody wants the stuff from before, everybody wants grass-fed meat, right, and uh and uh, like we want stuff with no chemicals in it. Like, think about that. Like well, no fucking shit. Yeah, right, that's just a natural order of society. And now you have like frozen yogurt, like places right, and like organic this, organic that, and people look at this. There's gonna be a continued progression on that okay, so tie that back to the accountability.
Speaker 1:So my, my, my, my point in like um, in talking about the people who realize this and understand this, we as a society, we as in we're a part of society. This is what I think we wish for people to do right To understand these concepts so they could live better lives, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I was saying. Harris, what do you think about all this? Do you feel attacked?
Speaker 3:Everyone knows the new generations are screwed up, but guess what times change. People get different shit. Bro, there's nothing you can do, just sit back, watch the world go round.
Speaker 1:Harris was he doesn't find this interesting because he's one of the people that here we go.
Speaker 3:I knew this was coming so he doesn't find this interesting because he's one of the people that, oh, here we go.
Speaker 2:I knew this was coming Go ahead Right, so why is he not finding this interesting?
Speaker 1:Well, because, I don't know, Maybe he has a hard time tying it back to himself. Like when you speak to people who are like this and, for example, have a hard time being accountable or being responsible for things. Right, I called it. They're very difficult to work with, like they're very difficult to explain things with, they're very difficult to have any kind of like relations with and that's why they have the lives that they do.
Speaker 2:Yes, they're dumbasses.
Speaker 3:Yes, I called it. I said this whole fucking topic was about me.
Speaker 1:Every topic we talk about for the end of time is going to relate to you. You know why that is, or no?
Speaker 3:Because, Harris was raised by two lesbians. No, john, it's because they're trying to teach me and mold me into their precious sales rock. That's a good thing, though, right? Wow, that's a good one. What were you just talking about? Well, harris, here's a good one. What were you just talking?
Speaker 2:about. Well, Harris, here's the thing right Not to expose you, but these are relevant examples of what's going on here. For example, you, when you're hanging out with us, right, you happen to have very strong opinions about stuff and you have very, you know, maybe factual information that you share with us and guess what? Very you know, maybe factual information that you share with us and guess what? A lot of the times, we actually call bullshit. Right, John has been warning us for a very long time that you're a bullshitter.
Speaker 3:John. I've been trying to tell you John is a bullshitter too, man.
Speaker 2:Okay, listen, we're not talking about John right now. Stop changing the subject, don't give him a pound for this. Yeah, he is Okay. So a lot of the times you go around spewing absolute nonsense.
Speaker 3:Oh shit, that's been told to me now.
Speaker 2:Okay, so there you go right. So what is happening, is that right? When we call you out on it and say, hey, harris, that's bullshit, and you're like, no, it's not. We go and we look it up, right, we do our research and we find out that's actually is bullshit. And guess what you don't want to blame somebody else he goes. Oh, my mom told me this. Yeah, because guess what? It's been told to me.
Speaker 3:Exactly.
Speaker 2:Are you going to always be hiding behind your mom? I called her out, bro, one time you did, but the second time, when it happened, you didn't want to call her out anymore. Because, bro? Because of what?
Speaker 3:She sent that, yeah, Two weeks before I called her. So what, so what? I should call her again and be like Every single time all the nonsense.
Speaker 2:You have to get to the point where you finally call your mom and say Mom, what the fuck is going on? I'm a fucking idiot. You've been feeding me this bullshit, all this nonsense, this whole time and everybody's just fact-checking everything. They show me that I'm. This is where you finally right. You finally maybe one day I don't know how many years it's going to take, maybe John knows 25 or 30, probably never, probably never. Okay, john is a bullshitter too. Okay, maybe one day when you start challenging your mom and you finally going to realize that you can be your own man and stand behind your own words. You understand, but for now you're just a bullshitter.
Speaker 3:I'm the bull from New Jersey. I don't know what you're talking about. Johnny boy, here's a bullshitter too, yeah, but that's part of again not taking responsibility. You just blame the man. What about?
Speaker 4:you what about?
Speaker 1:you? Yeah, he's just pointing his finger at John. How about you? I agree.
Speaker 3:I already stated several times on this podcast that my problem is I believe what people tell me and I spew it without doing my own research yeah, but you don't.
Speaker 1:I've claimed responsibility twice no, but you don't believe what people tell you. That's bullshit too. I do believe what people tell you, we told you plenty of things and you don't listen to us.
Speaker 2:Why don't you believe it? Why don't you believe us? Why do?
Speaker 3:you believe it? Why don't you believe us? Why do you believe your mom? Because I always think you're fucking joking with me whenever you fucking say something man?
Speaker 2:What are we joking about? I don't know, man. So you see, you don't even have the ability to understand what's real and what's not.
Speaker 3:I understand what you're saying in these call meetings All right, but there are certain things right.
Speaker 2:It's hard to change, Okay why don't you help us, then, understand what are some things that you don't understand when we talk about what? Well, some things that you said. I don't understand what's real, what's not. When you guys are joking, give me some stuff.
Speaker 3:I don't know.
Speaker 2:I can't Listen. I can let you out of this conversation as long as you do a lizard tongue.
Speaker 3:Fuck you dude, no, but tongue. Fuck you dude.
Speaker 1:No, but some things right he knows, he knows, he knows. Yes, I've seen it. He knows what we're talking about. John, can you show us the lizard thing that we're talking about?
Speaker 2:when he was in Nebraska.
Speaker 1:They gave him a bowl, that's what happened?
Speaker 3:fuck you, dude. No, so when you let's use the call green hair, hey, fuck you. Let's use the call reviews for a minute. Learning that shit and changing the way I do. Things is a whole process right now. It doesn't happen overnight. Alright, I'm just gonna state that things is a whole process right now. It doesn't happen overnight.
Speaker 2:Alright, I'm just going to state that this is one of those examples where you said absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1:I just stated what I just said. It was a good point, but it was absolutely nothing, yeah.
Speaker 3:What the fuck is that supposed?
Speaker 2:to mean who is this man? How can we help him? John You're his friend.
Speaker 3:You've been with him for a very long time. You can't ask him because he's as fucked up as I am. You just gotta thank him.
Speaker 1:It's part of the perpetual cycle of again making excuses and not being able to be responsible, like you saying, hey, I'm saying this because someone else told me it. It's again you deflecting it. This is someone else's fault. You don't say like, hey, maybe I'm a bit learning disabled. And when someone tells me something that's like shocking or something I don't have the ability to interpret whether it's true or not, or do my own research, so sometimes I tend to just repeat it.
Speaker 4:That's not what's being said.
Speaker 1:It's being said like oh, I just believe others. Okay, but then there's plenty of examples where you don't what happens there?
Speaker 2:Yeah, what happens there? Another excuse Another excuse, yes. Let's keep going down this rabbit hole.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've already claimed it several times that I listen to other people and I say it without even doing my own research.
Speaker 2:Do you understand or not understand why the social media account that we created for you is called Harris is in good hands? I understand the social media account that we created for you is called Harris is in good hands.
Speaker 3:I understand. Are you just going to keep saying the social media account? You know why?
Speaker 2:Because you have Alzheimer's.
Speaker 3:I don't have Alzheimer's. Yes, you do.
Speaker 2:You have early stage of Alzheimer's. No I don't.
Speaker 1:This is it. All the clues are coming together.
Speaker 2:You understand, john, what the hell are you talking about? I can explain it to you. Go ahead, I can explain it to you. Right now we're doing preventative care. We're trying to help you out for the long term. You understand?
Speaker 3:You're basically saying I have dementia.
Speaker 2:No, I'm saying that you have Alzheimer's. What's happening to you? Your brain doesn't understand or remember anything that's being said. So every time we say something that makes sense, a couple of seconds later you completely forget about it and you go back to your normal programming. The normal program is complete bullshit. You've been programmed by the society, you've been brainwashed. So we, as good friends of yours and now employers okay, we're trying to do our best to help you out with your Alzheimer's by constantly reminding you of what's important, and that is why the name of the social media account has to be that Harris is in good hands and you have to constantly say this so you can one day actually understand and believe this and actually realize what this actually means.
Speaker 3:Okay, can we stop naming it Alzheimer's? Why? Because, bro, that's dementia.
Speaker 2:So what? I could call it dementia. If you want, I could call it whatever the fuck you want. What do you want me to call it Schizophrenia? Call it that.
Speaker 3:No, fuck you dude, you know what?
Speaker 2:I'm saying why? Why do you have a problem with that? This is exactly what I'm. I'm referring to you exactly for what it is.
Speaker 3:You could say bullheaded Full headed.
Speaker 2:No, you have to call things for what they are. This is early stage Alzheimer's.
Speaker 3:It's not early stage Alzheimer's. Basically, what you're saying by that? I'm saying that you have this already. No, what you're saying by that, right, yeah, you're trying to break a cycle, you're trying to stop the way I think about the way I'm thinking shit. You have a condition. I don't have dementia early onset. You have amnesia. I don't have amnesia you do I don't, everyone does basically by you saying that yeah, like, let's say like 40 years down the road no, 40 years.
Speaker 2:You're basically your client doesn't live past 30 my man hold up.
Speaker 3:okay, you're saying if I live past 40 years down the road that I'm going to end up with this fucking Alzheimer's? Absolutely.
Speaker 2:You already have it. I don't have it. You do have it. I'm explaining to you how you have it. This is why we have to constantly remind you of what's actually real and what's actually not, because you can't do it for yourself.
Speaker 3:Alright, real and what's actually not, because you can't do it for yourself. I don't have Alzheimer's. Hey, how about this? Is this topic boring? It's starting to piss me the fuck off. So it's not boring. I don't have Alzheimer's, listen. Is the topic boring? No, why not? Because I'm about to go the fuck off on this podcast. Okay, so tell me, go ahead. I don't have Alzheimer's. I'm going to state that right now, it's not early onset. It's a way. What you need to do is just change my current mindset. How?
Speaker 2:about this. I'll help you out here. Most of the world has this.
Speaker 3:You're basically saying most of the world.
Speaker 2:99.9% of the people have this condition. It's not a condition.
Speaker 3:I'm telling you, it's changing the way they think. I'm telling you, this is a condition.
Speaker 2:Same thing If you can change the way they think, then they don't have Alzheimer's, that's right, and that's why we're trying to help you out here, and that's why the social media account is called what Harris is in good hands.
Speaker 3:There you go.
Speaker 2:Are you?
Speaker 3:just keep keep saying it so people can start looking at it.
Speaker 1:No, I'm saying it so you can remember it you have early stage Alzheimer's. Fuck you, dude.
Speaker 3:Go fuck yourself. Fuck you, fuck you.
Speaker 2:John, what do you think? Am I onto something or no? Yes, thank you.
Speaker 3:All the clues are coming together. You're in this category too, Pally.
Speaker 1:He said everyone have it. You gotta bring somebody else, don't worry, I told you 99.9%, it's with you.
Speaker 3:John's, I'm gonna call you out, Go for it. John's a little fucked up in the head himself. I'm gonna state this now how I don't know man, you got like a form of Tourette's man. Oh okay, you just spew shit. You caught me. Yeah, you got Tourette's. You see, Okay, I'm going to call him out on his problems. We're calling people out here.
Speaker 2:This is what it's about. This is what makes a podcast non-boring. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm going to call it out Go ahead, let's see it, you say Harris is a woman the whole time. Oh, fuck you, that's what it is. Go ahead, harris. You say some random ass shit. That's Tourette's. Yeah, it's Tourette's in somebody's drink. I see you fucking laughing over there, dude. Yeah, it's Tourette's, bro, it's okay. It's not a disease. That's not treatable, bro. We all got fucking issues this world has. As Eldar said, 99.99% is fucked up.
Speaker 2:No, they have Alzheimer's. I said I didn't say fucked up, no no, they have Alzheimer's.
Speaker 3:I said I didn't say fucked up, oh it's basically, you're saying no you categorize Alzheimer's as a bad thing.
Speaker 2:I don't, I do. Well, you do, I don't. So I didn't use the word fucked up.
Speaker 3:There's a reason I state it's a bad thing. Yeah, and you know why I state it's a fucking bad thing.
Speaker 2:No, it's a great thing actually.
Speaker 3:I have family that has this fucking dementia. It's not a fucking great thing. It's a good thing Trust me.
Speaker 2:It's not a good thing. Trust me In your family. It's a good thing.
Speaker 3:How is that a fucking good thing, I'm telling you, you really want to know You're basically saying they're going to fucking forget everything. And Think about it for a second. I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 2:I don't understand how it could be a good thing. You ready to go down this rabbit hole? Let's go, okay. Why do you want to forget stuff they don't want to forget?
Speaker 3:stuff. It's a fucking disease. But why do they forget stuff? It's a disease that runs in the family. What does that mean?
Speaker 2:It means you get a fucking disease. You forget everything and that's it. You just start forgetting stuff for no reason. It's a brain disease.
Speaker 3:That's what it is. People get dementia. It can happen to anyone.
Speaker 2:It happens to a lot of older people, middle-aged people, my mother, Okay, why do you think some certain disease attacks certain people and don't attack others?
Speaker 3:Short straw, I guess Whoever gets the short straw.
Speaker 2:What does this mean? Like they just pick out a little thing, like, okay, it can happen to anybody dude At the doctor's office Fuck you. It can happen to anybody.
Speaker 3:Right, you can go to a doctor and you'll be like, yeah, I've been forgetting shit. Next thing, you know a couple brain scans, tests, you got fucking dementia. It can happen to anybody. So what's the?
Speaker 2:problem with forgetting stuff cause.
Speaker 3:Then you don't remember anything eventually they'll forget.
Speaker 2:Why do you want to remember?
Speaker 3:certain things, it's not certain things. A lot of times, towards the end, it gets to the point where they don't even remember who their fucking family is so what damn, bro? Well damn, what. That's fucking harsh? Man. Well, why you say that?
Speaker 2:maybe I don't want to remember you, maybe I don't want to remember the world, maybe I want to just be in in my own world you don't want to say, you don't want to remember. I'm not saying this, I'm just saying that there's certain things that I don't want to remember about the world. Don't you have those things?
Speaker 3:yeah, I have those things, but I don't want to forget everything listen.
Speaker 2:How do you know that they forget everything, are you?
Speaker 3:in their mind. I'm currently watching my grandmother if I can go through this, okay and she's forgetting everything. She's calling my dad terry. Terry is my dad's brother. My mom calls me other names right now. Terry is my dad's brother, my mom doesn't know I died. Who died at 30. Okay, my dad would be like, hey, this is what's going on, like when I go there, right, I have to answer the same question every two minutes.
Speaker 2:Have you surveyed these people and asked them how they actually feel about their condition? They don't realize they have it. Oh, wow. So who's making the judgment call whether or not it's good or bad? Oh it's fucking terrible. No, no, no, no. For us at least You're not answering my question. For us at least.
Speaker 3:You're watching this person basically deteriorate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you watching this person, but are they actually going through the same pains or same suffering that you're going through? Or is it a selfish ploy where you're like oh, look at this, I don't like this condition. Oh, this is so bad. It sounds like a very selfish ploy. It's very difficult to watch someone you love go through this, no problem, maybe watching it, observing it and making a judgment call on it. It's difficult, sure, but are they actually going through any kind of suffering or pain?
Speaker 3:I guess, if you remind them of certain things, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now imagine how we feel with totally or Mike, about trying to remind you of certain things that you probably forgot a long time ago.
Speaker 3:Uh-huh, let's not state anything here. Got it? What do you mean by that? Let's not state anything?
Speaker 2:here John.
Speaker 1:This topic is boring.
Speaker 3:This topic is a little bit boring. Get Harris out of here. That makes no sense.
Speaker 2:Harris, do you need another shot?
Speaker 4:No, no, no more apple juice for this guy.
Speaker 2:No, no more, I'm good, all right. So, regarding Alzheimer's, how do we actually know that these people actually suffer? Are they coming back and saying like oh my god, harris, like I forgot that it's harris. Yes, it is no, but did she actually come and say that? Or did she just like hey, who are you? Or is she just like hey, who are you?
Speaker 3:Some days she doesn't know who the hell I am Great. Some days she says, oh, you changed a bit.
Speaker 2:So what.
Speaker 3:I think it's a blessing. It's a blessing not to know who I am, of course.
Speaker 2:Who the fuck are you bro? Who the fuck are you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it also keeps a very To remember his fucking dumb ass. You know what I'm saying? Fuck you. Who the fuck are you bro? Yeah, it also keeps who the fuck are you? Yeah, it also keeps it very Huh To remember this fucking dumbass. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Fuck you If I get Alzheimer's? I don't fucking remember this fucking idiot, I gotta remember him. You know what I'm saying oh, fuck you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it also keeps it simple to You're going to act the same way over and over again.
Speaker 2:Keeps it nice and simple. It's very clear cut, bro.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no arguments, yes, same thing.
Speaker 2:That's a blessing For who? You, for everyone. You just don't see it that way because you don't have the ability, yet you have labeled.
Speaker 3:No one in my family sees it that way, that's.
Speaker 2:Guess what. Do you think your family got it figured out or no?
Speaker 3:I don't think anybody in anyone's family sees dementia as a blessing. Well then, they maybe got it all wrong. I mean, I've gone to let's state it when my mother was diagnosed with what she has. I'm not going to state it. I went to seminars and all of the group meetings for caregivers, family members of a person. No one feels that way at all.
Speaker 2:It sounds like they've developed a lot of attachments towards those people and now they can't deal with it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's their parents and grandparents.
Speaker 2:But don't we have to understand that there's a life, there's a natural order of life, like, for example, dying and death is going to come for all of us.
Speaker 4:Yes or no? Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 2:Yes or no, yeah, okay so sickness is part of dying, right, Getting sick and dying, and this is part of life and this is a pretty natural process. Right. Aging right is another one Getting hungry, needing to breathe. If aging right Is another one Getting hungry, needing to breathe, If I come over there right now and close your nose and your mouth, you're going to say, Eldar, I want to breathe. Right, these are pretty natural processes. You can breathe through your mouth, dude. Oh, you can breathe through your nose. Now. He breathed through his butthole, I mean through your butthole now Fuck you.
Speaker 3:I told you that.
Speaker 2:When they stretch your butthole out.
Speaker 3:Is that?
Speaker 4:after you spend time. Oh, very nice. Oh, fuck you. You're one of those. Fuck you dude. Okay, cool.
Speaker 2:You understand. It sounds like these are natural processes of life and a lot of times what we do right we make judgment calls on it we start. Somebody dies of old age. Why are we crying? Why are we crying? Because crying Because you got a relationship with them. It's a natural order. Like this is the next process in life where motherfuckers gotta die, you know. So why are we crying If we know that we get old, we get sick, we die. I don't mind the dying, I'm just explaining to you, right? Sickness is also part of life. It's a natural order. It doesn't make it easier, no sure Is it? Because maybe we're interpreting it incorrectly. I don't know. I gotta reach out to Nate. I don't know who the fuck this person is. Fuck you. What the fuck is going on, nate is dead.
Speaker 2:Nate is dead. Yeah, okay, fine.
Speaker 3:I'll double check this picture dropped Mysteriously.
Speaker 2:Who did it Right?
Speaker 3:I just moved this one little bit and the fucking thing just came fucking crashing down. I moved it just like that and all of a sudden it just fucking fell down and shattered. It's fucking haunted, so you caused earthquakes, fuck you. And all of a sudden it just fucking fell down. So it's fucking haunted, fucking haunted, so you cause earthquakes, fuck you.
Speaker 2:It's haunted. Listen, it sounds like you have a lot of problem with a lot of things in life.
Speaker 3:I think everyone's got a little.
Speaker 1:A little bit yeah, it all circles back to everybody.
Speaker 2:No, yes, aldar just said you remember you always wanted to be on the island.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, yeah, it's the island thing. To the textbook, to the textbook. Nobody wants to be by themselves on the island you just stated.
Speaker 3:I'm agreeing with you 99.9% of people. That's an insult.
Speaker 2:What do you mean? Well, think about it. I'm calling 99.9% of people dumbasses, and you're one of them.
Speaker 3:I'm well aware I'm a fucking dumbass, but so is John. I'll admit I'm a dumbass, let's just put it this way when you were describing me and John, you used to call us what Dumber, yeah, beavis and butthead, yeah. You used to call us what Dumber, yeah, beavis and Butthead. Beavis and Butthead, bro, yeah.
Speaker 2:Why you always want to do that gay thing when you pull out a finger and want to put it in his butt.
Speaker 3:Fuck you, man. He's trying to touch me. That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:Fuck you Listen we do have sexual harassment laws here, so don't fucking touch it. Fuck, fuck you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you'll be fired in a second and you work with a bunch of guys. You gotta watch out. Yes, fuck you. Alright, tell your mom to call me, I will.
Speaker 2:She's actually looking forward to your date.
Speaker 3:I know yeah.
Speaker 2:So so Do you still have a problem? No, you don't. I'm good, you're good. So you see they're fine. You have a problem what? They're good, so you see, they're fine, you have a problem. You have a problem, they're fine.
Speaker 1:Well, no, I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2:But I'm saying is that like I went far and he couldn't even crack.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the observer who's looking, uh, looking at it, I guess, like they see what's going on and there is a friction that's going on between you know, different people like what, whether it's, um, watching somebody in relation to the world, or for just like, in general things right, or like, let's say, a parent with a child, their child, like the friction there, yeah, right, and you see it happening. But, yeah, I mean, both people don't understand what's going on, but nonetheless, I think there is still suffering happening.
Speaker 2:Is it necessary suffering?
Speaker 1:At that moment for those people, yes, yes, okay. What I'm saying is that, in the way that I'm talking about it, this is like a future progress thing, uh-huh, right. So it's like you could say, for example, for the people that are already in that position 100%, it's super necessary, 100%, right. But you can have a calculated effort to have preventative care. I have a problem with that? Well, for example, if you have a child, why do you want to instill good things in them? Why don't you just learn with the world?
Speaker 2:Well, no, I think that you might be surprised that sometimes a child will want to touch the fire.
Speaker 1:No, they will. But I'm saying, is that like, why would you even have an effort to do that? Why don't you just let them?
Speaker 2:Because I think the world sometimes is a better teacher than us.
Speaker 1:No, but I'm saying like if you had a child, right, I'm explaining to you.
Speaker 2:I'm explaining to you that the world is a little bit better of a parent than I am.
Speaker 1:And I'm okay with that. Well, no, but I'm saying that you would still regardless have a calculated effort correct.
Speaker 2:Not if it's not, not if I'm not 100% convinced of it.
Speaker 1:No, but like I'm going to try my best.
Speaker 2:That's all I can do. Why do you even want to try? Because you know I might be under an assumption that I know something. Yeah, but then yeah, but then what like? Why, who like? Why don't you just let them, whatever happens? No, no, I think some things. I'll definitely let that happen because I will see and assess the attachments that they have.
Speaker 1:He has a lot of attachments no, no, I, I understand that, but I'm saying is that like if you had a child, you would want to raise them, or like you would want to try to instill particular things in very particular ways?
Speaker 2:no, I think that you you're misunderstanding. I think I'm going to try to stay away as much as possible to not interfere in the progress that he or she is going to need to go through yeah, but you're still going to teach particular things only fast what yeah, like, like that, there's no I, I, I I'm telling you.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you there's a stage in the child development. Yeah, when they ask, why no, I understand you have to be very careful with that development no, I understand that, but I'm saying is that, like you're still going to try to like push a particular uh, no, no, no, no. I think you're getting it all wrong.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no no, how would you not try to push a particular agenda? No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:You have to try your best not to push the agenda.
Speaker 1:Not in that. Are you convinced that? You know? Not in those kinds of ways. But I'm saying is that you want to instill particular like.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no. I want to instill one thing that I don't know. Sure, I want to go on the journey of not knowing, to know. What do you mean by that? I mean that I want to go on the discovery, on the journey of finding out with them sure, yes, but I'm saying is that like the basic things I can? Teach obviously, because like there's basic survival things you're not going to tell them.
Speaker 1:They're like yo remember, like a little kiddo. Right, money is the most important thing no, of course not so whatever career you choose, make sure that you lather your pockets with butter and money.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to have that conversation.
Speaker 1:You're not going to preach that because you don't believe in that. Yeah, but you believe in other things and you are, I'm gonna believe it.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna believe in the conversation, in the communication in order to get to a place okay yeah, but that's not my place.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna get to their place with them, sure, but I'm saying, is that, like you're going to, um, make an attempt to raise somebody in a particular way? And I'm saying, is that, like that, no?
Speaker 2:no, what do you mean? No, I don't think so. You were getting this wrong. You're getting this wrong. How am I getting this wrong? Because I don't think you have to, supposed to have an agenda in the first place.
Speaker 1:I'm working on it.
Speaker 2:I'm working on the fact that I'm working on the fact that the individual is a child. Who's pure, who's the closest to God, or the reality as it is knows better than I do. I just have to be careful and not interfere with my nonsense.
Speaker 1:Like what my nonsense what's?
Speaker 2:your nonsense, my misguidance or misperception of reality. Certain things I got wrong, like what I don't know, but I got certain things wrong so I have to be very careful with those things and passing those on?
Speaker 1:Well, sure, yes, but I'm saying is that, like there are certain things that you got right, correct, sure.
Speaker 2:And those are the things that I can pass on if I'm asked Right. If there is a room for me to teach, I'll teach those things if I got those right or if those are correct.
Speaker 1:If not, I have to be very careful. Yeah, but I feel like there's particular periods where there's going to be unsolicited teaching, right? No?
Speaker 2:there should not be that's violation and that is rape. What?
Speaker 3:Don't say rape, parents get excited. What?
Speaker 1:No, that's rape, bro no but I'm saying when a child is young enough, no, that's rape, bro. No, but I'm saying when a child is young enough, there's no like like they're not making decisions right for themselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah but that's basic needs. You're talking about basic needs, and I'm not the one breastfeeding. You know what I'm?
Speaker 4:saying yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm not breastfeeding. I mean, I understand that. Okay, yeah, Like sure I'm not going to make.
Speaker 1:Don't get any ideas. Harris, that's disgusting Yo put your shirt back on.
Speaker 2:That's disgusting Yo put your shirt back on. Why are you naked, like that's what he needs Yo does he not look like the guy that was on his date? Yo, we have to call Nate. We want to see if he's dead or not. Harris needs this. He's dead. Memory match what the hell is that?
Speaker 3:Oh, harris needs a memory match, fuck you. Is that his mom's name? I don't know what is his name. Oh my gosh, I got tagged.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure if Agenda is like a no, no, no.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Agenda is great.
Speaker 1:Maybe sure, but I'm saying is that there's particular morals and values? No, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Fuck you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think the know, fuck you. Yeah, I think the what you're talking about is you want to prevent the kid from hitting his head.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not talking about that at all. I'm talking about that like the things that you believe in that are true, right, like, for example, if you believe in like okay, like there needs to be a particular learning or a particular thing, right Like, um, like this is what you believe in and I think there's gonna be particular things where this is what you would introduce or this is what you would potentially like teach.
Speaker 1:Or if you believe in other things, like again, like money's the most important thing for you, for example, if you're very strong on that, these are the things that you're going to talk about, potentially, or show or introduce Right Stuff like that, and then that's what those people do. Or if Elder believes in truth or morals or ethics, this is the background that he's coming in, but I think that that doesn't align with his belief of teaching when not asked. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think that's what he's saying and also he's also not convinced that the kid, like he said, doesn't know better than he already does.
Speaker 3:And a lot of different stuff Closer to God.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know You're not buying it.
Speaker 1:That the kid knows better. Yeah, I'm not sure. Like that's a hard argument for me. Like that that's a hard concept for me to understand.
Speaker 4:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Oh, I know why. And um sorry, Harris, I'm going to have to do it to you again, but me and Tully were talking about you last night.
Speaker 3:You were talking about me last night.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not in that way that is disgusting Fuck you.
Speaker 1:You are disgusting, go fuck yourself disgusting the boner away.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, can you hide that?
Speaker 2:yeah, okay, go yeah um, right, where you right, you're like, hey, like you know, we have another person here who's new, who I'd like to teach, who I'd like to you know, show and you know for him to grow, for him to be successful, both physically I mean materialistically and mentally, right, but you're kind of like, almost like bound by the fact that there's steps to it, there's levels to it, that this person has their own abilities and you're not being respectful of those abilities, you're not being respectful of those disabilities, as some of the people in this world say. You know what I'm saying. So, um, that's the issue, that's the big issue about development. I think you know what I'm saying. Where you want something the best, you want to have an agenda. You do have an agenda and you want to maybe almost oppress the individual with your agenda, but your agenda is so strong and so powerful that at this moment, the person cannot take that on. It's just impossible for them.
Speaker 1:Well, sure, yeah in that example. But I'm saying, is that like….
Speaker 2:Where a child, on the other hand, is that I think Harris is not a clean slate by any means. He's been completely oppressed by the world, so he's working out of deficit. The child, I don't think, works out of the same deficit. So you have to be very careful with the agenda, even more careful than you are right now, because your agenda doesn't even fit to an individual who's pretty clear, like you're, my man. You came from a shelter. You're a fucking idiot. You have no money. You're struggling. I have everything for you. You're just not listening to me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4:It's pretty clear cut.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for a child it's not clear cut at all, because they have a clean slate. Why, why, why, why, why? These are the questions that they have. Why is this? Why is the world the way it is? And fuck you, thank you yeah, but um damn, he's speedy.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure, then, like, what kind of what kind of influence would you want to have in a child's life? Yeah, like that's not what I'm having a hard time understanding.
Speaker 2:Is that like, for example, I'm going to tell you what it is a godly one, okay, I'm going to tell you what it is. No, no, no, no. I'm going to tell you what it is. Yeah, okay, a godly one, okay. If you were to identify what God is, yeah, right, or God, either way, they describe it, all knowing All good Right, omnipotent, or whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but, yeah, but. So you want to have a godly influence. But if you're not all-knowing, how can you have that kind of influence? Well, that's the problem.
Speaker 2:Then you don't, then you can't have that influence.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so then you can't have any influence. You're saying you can have a problem. Yeah, because you're saying that you're going to have a flawed individual teaching another potentially not flawed individual.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you're going to keep passing on the wrong stuff. Yeah, but that's why you have to be very careful. Yeah, but like you have to be so honest, you have to be so honest to say Dad, how did they make this Right? You can't do a Julius fucking answer. You say you know what, son, I actually don't know. Why don't we go find out together?
Speaker 1:I'd don't we go find out together? I'd like to find out as well. You have to be totally honest with them in that process. Sure, yes, that's an example of godliness, I think. No, I know, but that's. But that's an example of you understanding how to act a particular way and you're pushing a particular agenda there, of saying like yo no, it's not an agenda.
Speaker 2:No, that's the. How is that an agenda?
Speaker 1:no, no no, but you're pushing the concept of like.
Speaker 2:Where's the push? No, no, no. You cannot use the word push with honesty. How is a negative a positive in your scenario? Use the word push and agenda when I'm being honest, I'm being fucking honest. I don't know You're telling me. Ask me a question that I don't know about. I don't know You're telling me. Ask me a question that I don't know about. Ask me about rockets.
Speaker 1:What if it's an example of something that you do know about?
Speaker 2:Well, you don't say that you don't know about. You actually say you know. You have to be honest. I'm just explaining to you that's a godly quality and that's not a fucking push. Push is rape, sure, okay, just explained to you. That's a godly quality and that's not a fucking push push is rape, sure, okay, sorry, sorry, it's boring, it's supposed to be because, uh, your mind is a size of a squirrel brain.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying it's boring, oh you're not okay. Cool, yeah, like um, like um I I. I think I'm just saying that like um I I. I understand what you're saying about going on the journey with them to find out together about something, for example, if you don't actually know it, and not just be a bullshitter way of just saying that.
Speaker 1:But I'm also saying that with the levels, for example, of influence in general in the world and especially like as that can continues um like. I think it's very easy for kids to get eaten up by that I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not only, only if they were not raised the proper way. That's what he wants to jump out.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying, though. This proper way, that's why he wants to jump out. That's what I'm saying, though. This proper way of raising is something that you will teach.
Speaker 2:No, I don't think it's. I think it's See teaching is raping almost. I told you again the approach. What you're trying to teach him by not teaching him is how to use his own mind and be able to assess all the situations on their own.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's teaching still.
Speaker 2:No, it's a paradoxical phenomenon and, just like everything else that we discussed, it's very paradoxical. It's always a paradox. It's not supposed to make sense. It's supposed to seem like it, but it's not. You're teaching by not teaching. Yes, it's a thing.
Speaker 1:It's a conundrum, yeah.
Speaker 4:The biggest.
Speaker 2:Thing you can do as a parent is to not get in their way. What conclusions did you come up with when assessing his situation Yesterday, when we talked about him?
Speaker 1:What conclusions? Well, I need to scale my expectations back.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Not be attached to particular outcomes. Okay, why. Give me why. Well, because like they're.
Speaker 2:Why don't you want to be attached to specific outcomes? Why and why would? Why did you form those attachments in the first place? Because your intentions were good, your intentions were to grow him and to make sure he succeeds faster. Yeah, I guess in that moment I thought I knew how to do something. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I realized I didn't right. Yeah, so, yeah, so then I have to scale back my attachments. You see that? Yeah.
Speaker 2:And what's happening is that you're pulling back the force yeah, the force, the rapage yeah. You're trying to instill good stuff yeah into him. Well, he can't even take it in. He has alzheimer's and he likes you, dude.
Speaker 3:Fuck you too, man you understand?
Speaker 1:yeah, no, no, that understand. But I'm saying is that like, yeah, I, I just find it. I I find it hard, hard to understand the concept of like. If you don't do something right to put this person in a good position, the world will eat them a lot.
Speaker 2:Which is okay. No, which person we're talking about? Harris or anyone your?
Speaker 1:kid. No like yeah, anyone your kid, for example.
Speaker 4:Your kid, yeah, no which person.
Speaker 1:We're talking about. Harris or anyone kid no like yeah anyone your kid, for example.
Speaker 2:Your kid yeah, if you don't put them in a good position, your world's gonna eat them alive. Yeah, and how would you go about doing that?
Speaker 1:well, like you trying to to um explain to them particular things, or um teach them maybe particular things, mm-hmm oh yeah, explain to them particular things, or teach them maybe particular things, mm-hmm, oh yeah, for them to be like equipped to make like Sound decisions. Yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah, maybe like ideally. Yeah, like sound decisions or be able to think for themselves, yeah, uh-huh.
Speaker 2:Or be able to understand the truth, because you're trying to overcome what? What are you trying to overcome? Death Dying no, so what are you trying to do? Failure? No, like it's a judgment call, bro. It all comes down to a judgment call.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but like why do you improve anything? Then I can understand. That's a good question. What's the point of anything?
Speaker 2:That's a whole philosophy out of itself. What's the point of everything, anything?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, like that.
Speaker 2:That's what I understand. I think the point is maybe try to live as close as possible to accordance to the reality.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying and those are the type of things that you would want to try to instill.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but how do you instill it without instilling? That's what you need to accomplish.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I don't understand. I can't talk about a subject by just like how do you teach without teaching?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the only way is to ask questions.
Speaker 1:But if you, for example, have a kid right now and like you work many hours and you don't influence them, like they're going to look at the internet, they're going to watch TV, they're going to go to school and they're just going to become who they become.
Speaker 2:Okay, right.
Speaker 1:Do you agree with that?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I guess, like I mean, I guess you could love them no matter what, right Like it's your kid. But I do think that you can have a particular impact if you start it at an early age. Right To right.
Speaker 2:You can have an impact, of course you can try, but at the end of the day, right, there will be autonomous choices. Of course, yes, try, but at the end of the day, right, there will be autonomous choices. Of course, yes, yeah I don't think so. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I think that if they're raised in a particular way or they understand certain concepts from a particular way, oh, then it's predetermined. They act in accordance of what you're describing is such a difficult thing, because maybe Eldar he may do all the right things.
Speaker 2:Will Catherine do it? Will his parents do it? Will you do it? Will I do it? That's a good example, right? That's a good example that Mike brings up. I disagree with a lot of shit that you say or do, but I'm happy the way you turned out. I disagree with a lot of shit that you say or do, but I'm happy the way you turned out. I disagree with a lot of stuff that Mike does and says, but I'm happy the way Mike's turning out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but we're still optimizing and we're still trying to. We have a like, a like, a like, a aim of improving.
Speaker 2:But who isn't what? But who isn't? You said that the thing the prominent thing is like a.
Speaker 1:It's like a, it's like a cop-out thing, no, but we talked about it that, like, like, parents shouldn't have kids who are just gonna, who are pieces of shit, that are just gonna give birth to more pieces of shit. See, I Right.
Speaker 2:You see, like yes and no. You know what I mean. Yeah, I don't understand that If you're not there someone else is going to be there. He's having unprotected sex. Okay, To us he's a dumbass.
Speaker 1:Allegedly first off. Okay, he's not having sex.
Speaker 2:He's still a virgin.
Speaker 1:John will confirm that.
Speaker 3:Thank you, John.
Speaker 1:What sex doesn't count when you do it again with boys Fuck when you do it again with boys Fuck you and then wear your cats with bread in a jar. Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. Eat my peanut butter and let his cats lick it. That is disgusting.
Speaker 3:Fuck you, fuck you. Okay, cool, thank you. He didn't pop his cherry, fuck you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So that's nasty, by the way, whatever you're doing right now with putting your finger in your mouth like that in slow motion he's hungry. That's disgusting fuck you yeah why don't you do it again? I'm biting my nails, that's what you think. You know how that looks. You know what? Let me zoom in on you, fuck.
Speaker 3:You, do it again are you recording this right now? Of course, get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not recording it, man. I'm practicing. You're not saying anything. You're not doing anything, man. So what were we saying?
Speaker 1:yeah, no, I'm saying that like if you're not gonna be there, someone else is, some outside forces, all right, and I'm not saying again, I'm not saying that like, like, yeah, like, to me it's like the elderism thing, right, like, like, like, uh, like not, not, not like uh but elderism tries to form no attachments to it at any given point.
Speaker 2:The only reason why you're still here is because you choose to be. It's not because I chose for you to be here. You fuck with me up until a point, just like it's been proven. The people have been fucking with you up to some point, Dennis. He didn't want to fuck with you. He said I'm done. Bye Philip, fuck with you. He said I'm done, Bye Phillip. You can't fuck with this kind of concept. I'm done. Next, you wouldn't know his run rate. He's fucking with us now and still he gets mad. You see, he wants to punch you in the face. You know what I mean? And all this other crap.
Speaker 3:Oh man, I'm busting balls. You wanna go, man? The only reason I'm just saying you want to take it outside?
Speaker 1:boy, I'll throw him on this fucking carpet and wrap him up into a fucking burrito. A burrito, don't say burrito, he gets excited. Oh, they'll say that's gay. Oh my God, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, harris, put the boat out of the way.
Speaker 3:You know what We'll take this.
Speaker 2:Put some gloves on and see what happens, yeah friendly sparring match that's why.
Speaker 2:That's why, like, it's nice that you guys maybe fuck with quote unquote elderism, but elderism has a run rate. I think it's supposed to. I think there's totalism already pre-developed Mike-ism. Everybody has their own little ism that people will either fuck with or not. Your parents do they fuck with totalism, yes or no? Sometimes they do right and sometimes they don't. They have a run rate and sooner or later it's either they come back to it or they don't. If they align in their own world with the truth and if it happens to be that you're fucking with the truth, you'll come back together it's inevitable.
Speaker 1:What I'm saying is that, like when you're raising a child, I think if you have the ability or if you know some things right, you could try to help influence them in particular ways, as long as they're, by your understanding, I guess, as truthful as they're by your understanding, I guess, as truthful as possible. Right, as honest, yeah, as honest and as truthful as possible for them to, as they continue to develop and grow and think more for themselves. They could be put in positions where they could be equipped to make proper decisions, right. I'm not talking about like oppression, where it's like no, you're not allowed to have a drink. They could be put in a position like yo, right now, it's a good idea to have a drink, hold on, I don't have a license and I'm driving someone's car or something like that Probably shouldn't drink, or something or like this they have the ability to assess things.
Speaker 1:They have the ability to analyze. They have the ability to assess things. They have the ability to analyze, they have the ability to be resourceful, they have the ability to understand things. That's what I'm talking about. I think a good parent will do their best to try to explain these things and kind of try to but that's the thing I'm just challenging on the approach.
Speaker 2:I'm just challenging the approach. Yes, in general terms, you're correct, they're going to try to do their best to instill good things, for sure. But I'm talking about the approach. And the approach, I think, is super necessary to examine in order not to rape the kid into your agenda, because at the end of the day. I'm telling you right now you think we're hot shit. If we have kids and if we allow them to be their true selves, trust me, they're going to shit on us. What does that mean? Allow?
Speaker 1:them to be their true selves.
Speaker 4:If we don't get in their way.
Speaker 2:Do you suffer from anxiety? Yeah, imagine a kid that doesn't Imagine it right now. Don't fucking, don't fucking. Just go imagine a kid that doesn't. How much more time does he have in order to actualize themselves?
Speaker 4:how much more?
Speaker 3:time a lot more.
Speaker 2:Do you have dreams? Yeah, imagine your anxiety takes up a lot of time in order to hold you back from the dreams you want to accomplish. That kid doesn't have those anxieties. He's doing what. He's focusing more on those dreams he has the ability to. I'm talking about a 10x?
Speaker 1:totally yeah, but how does that happen?
Speaker 2:by you staying away from what, from instilling anxiety into him no, 100%.
Speaker 1:but if you don't instill good things into them, they're not going to be that, they're going to be a piece of shit.
Speaker 2:No. Not by default, no, you're assuming that they're going to be influenced by the world.
Speaker 4:They will be influenced by the world.
Speaker 1:How are they not? Because, first of all, how are they not? Through social media?
Speaker 2:No, because you're the one who's fucking doing the early stage development.
Speaker 4:You're not going to, you're doing it, okay, but then you're talking, you're doing it.
Speaker 1:That's why.
Speaker 2:I'm looking forward to you having a kid?
Speaker 1:No, but then you're yeah, but then you're talking about that you are doing particular things. You are doing things, then you don't do anything.
Speaker 2:We have to call Nate.
Speaker 3:Fuck Nate, he's dead. He's dead. Who's Nate? I'm calling him.
Speaker 1:I took care of myself. I'm just saying, if you don't do anything, they're going to get eaten by the world, yeah hold on one second.
Speaker 4:They're going to get influenced by TV, by marketing. Please leave your message for he fucking died.
Speaker 1:It went straight to voicemail. Oh wait, it has the thing through it.
Speaker 2:Yo Nate, call me back if you're alive. Wait, Elder it has the Yo.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, what, what, what Yo. It has that circle with a slash through it. I've never seen that through a contact. Did you see that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I don't know how the phone works.
Speaker 1:Should we call?
Speaker 4:Adrian.
Speaker 2:Should we call Adrian? Yeah, his number. Yeah, who's Adrian? Hold on a second, his boy.
Speaker 1:It has a circle, Mike, with a slash through it.
Speaker 4:I don't know what all that's doing.
Speaker 3:Dude, we've all been saying it.
Speaker 2:Adrian's not picking up. He's dying to. Your call has been forwarded to His phone rang.
Speaker 1:I've never seen a contact of yours have a circle with a slash through it.
Speaker 2:That's because I blocked him.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's why?
Speaker 2:Maybe that's why you have to unblock him.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1:Wait, who are you calling now?
Speaker 2:Adrian, again I'll double tap him. Hold on one second. You have to-talk him. Hold on one second, I'll block him.
Speaker 3:I was about to say that's the sign yeah.
Speaker 2:What are you going to take down? Two big Macs today.
Speaker 3:That's all, please leave your message for 4049.
Speaker 2:If he blocked you, you wouldn't hear the voice now, he didn't block me, bro, he tried calling me bro yeah.
Speaker 4:Yo Nate what's up bro.
Speaker 2:Yes, you bringing the Ouija board tomorrow, yo I?
Speaker 3:am I? Am you excited about it? Yo, I'm not looking at you, please. We could try contacting Nate on the Ouija board. We can do this.
Speaker 2:Huh, we can do this. Yeah, can you bring?
Speaker 3:it in it, should it shouldn't be delivered by tomorrow? Yeah, you are.
Speaker 4:Just now.
Speaker 3:Here. He's already drunk a lot of times.
Speaker 2:Why you waving your hand like from?
Speaker 3:From what people have said. There's some shit that goes down with the Ouija board that sometimes dark entities you think we give a fuck about this Are you trying? To scare us or something.
Speaker 2:No, I'm just saying You're trying to prepare something magical and shit they basically pretend to be loved ones.
Speaker 3:He's an idiot. You don't believe in this shit. Look at him. Listen to me around once. He's an idiot. You don't believe in this shit. Look at him. Listen to me, bro, are you stupid?
Speaker 2:You don't believe in the Ouija board.
Speaker 4:This is dumb as fuck man. What's the matter with you, man? It's real.
Speaker 2:You want to play Monopoly? We can play Monopoly. Fuck you man, yo Nate didn't pick up yo.
Speaker 1:I think, he's fucking done that like, if you don't do anything, they're, they're going to get eaten by society.
Speaker 2:this, this is your understanding of doing any, not not doing anything, is not. We're not in agreeance. What I mean yeah he's he's making a judgment call on it like.
Speaker 1:So then what are you talking about?
Speaker 2:when the kid is born?
Speaker 1:uh, when they're one day old, you're just gonna leave them.
Speaker 2:Well, no, that's not what I'm talking about. So what? To what age do you start getting the basic needs where he can actually?
Speaker 1:Well, once they prove to you that they have the ability to start to understand and to think, there's like a slow progression, and aren't?
Speaker 2:you not part of that stage still, where they still ask you? I'm explaining to you that two, three years old, four years old all they do is ask questions and they want to explore the world.
Speaker 1:Well, 100%. And if you don't install particular concepts, you don't explain things in particular.
Speaker 2:No, it's not an installation. Yeah, it's you answering their questions, if you know the answer.
Speaker 1:I mean we're just using different words, but it's the same thing.
Speaker 2:But if you don't know the answer no, no, no, no, no, no, no Installation is you actually being there and they're doing it with an intentional thing they're coming to you Exactly.
Speaker 1:Asking for an install, it's different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I'm not saying that you're like You're teaching. When asked, they're asking you to give you your feedback about the world and what they're experiencing to your best ability, and what they're doing is that they're judging you in accordance to what the world is, the universe is, because that, to them, it's a complete clean slate.
Speaker 1:Right, and they're the closest to God. Yeah, but I'm saying that like if you're not there for them, a significant portion of their curiosity, someone else will answer those curiosities.
Speaker 2:Not when they're fucking 2, 3, 4 years old, unless you stick a fucking iPad in their fucking mouth. Yeah, but this is what happens. Well, that's their issue.
Speaker 1:That's not your issue.
Speaker 2:You're not going to do that, what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying is that you understand how?
Speaker 2:does an iPad land in somebody's fucking lap, they're going to go to the store and say, hey, can you get this iPad? Here's my money.
Speaker 1:No, it's like you. I mean no, the parents.
Speaker 2:What are we talking?
Speaker 1:about Totally yeah. But then you have a calculated effort to not give them the iPad right.
Speaker 2:Well, of course, why would you give an iPad in the first place? Explain to me when did the kids say hey dad, we're just chilling at home and, like yo, can you give me the iPad. Yeah, how do they know about iPad?
Speaker 4:Or how come they?
Speaker 2:didn't ask him for PS5?. Or a fucking kid or a rock or a car. How do they pick what they pick, yeah who decides what they get. I mean to a certain point, it sounds like you underestimate your influence in the thing I'm explaining to you, that you have the choice and ability or the opportunity right to be able to be as clean as possible in those moments and if you choose to fucking watch UFC and throw an iPad at them, that's your choice. Well, no, 100%, that's it. That's rape. I'm not arguing that.
Speaker 1:That's rape. No, I arguing that.
Speaker 2:That's rape. No, I'm not. What is that is rape? What that? What? Where they might be yearning for something else and you throw an iPad at them? That's rape.
Speaker 1:Okay, I mean.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying? Because you don't have the ability, obviously, right. You know what I'm saying Because you don't have the ability, obviously, right. I mean, obviously a lot of people, a lot of parents, don't have that ability, right? So they're like oh, here we go, Keep them pacified.
Speaker 4:You don't have the ability to say hey, what's going on?
Speaker 2:How can I help? What can I do? Yeah, but that is already past the point. Oh, I'm saying that's I do Right. Yeah, but that already is already past the point.
Speaker 4:Oh, I'm saying, that's what I'm saying yeah, that's already past the point. That's already past the point, you already fucked up somewhere.
Speaker 2:That's right, yeah, if you haven't, if you really paid attention and you tried your best, right, you probably would have caught it. You probably would have caught it.
Speaker 1:You probably would of like, okay, cool, like, what am I doing here? You know what I mean. You try to do your best. Yeah, my, my, my main point is that, like you're going to be there to hopefully influence them in good particular ways and and um, fine, fine, like I know you're being rough around their edges, fine, you're being rough around that well sure, but like we're saying you're witnessing what's happening with your mom and the sister and you're having a hard time with it.
Speaker 2:Therefore, you're judging it hard time with it.
Speaker 1:Therefore, you're judging it off of that. No, I'm not. I'm judging in the sense that that is already a product of what happened.
Speaker 3:Cash. Can you be quiet please? I'm not saying anything. I know we can hear you.
Speaker 1:I'm saying that that example or any of the examples we have. These are already scenarios that happened, right yeah, so what's going to happen with the world? How the world is, is going to happen to them.
Speaker 2:Not necessarily what? Not necessarily. You can still control it, but you just choose not to. In your scenarios, I'm telling you you can still control, but you choose not to. There's plenty of strategies where you can be satisfied as to what you can do in order to make shit happen, where you can maybe instill some of your agenda versus the world, and you're losing that battle and that's why you have that sentiment okay, sure, but like I don't understand, like what am I saying?
Speaker 1:that's wrong, it's not that what you're saying is wrong.
Speaker 2:It's the choice of words that you're saying it. But the reason why you're choosing those words in the first place is because of how you feel and what you're actually experiencing. So everything is in the proper place. I set the trap up in such a way where you shouldn't be able to say anything. Well sure, I don't want John to say it. Sure, okay.
Speaker 1:But I'm saying these scenarios are there and people grew and they, they became particular people right, not by chance, though.
Speaker 2:What not by chance?
Speaker 1:oh my god, am I saying that?
Speaker 2:it's just like a a straw that had chance well, I don't know what you're saying at all right now well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like, are you under the impression?
Speaker 2:I'm saying, like this is just like a lottery and like, okay, like I hope number 22, and this is how you are, I hope not, but you wanted to make it a lottery and you want to pick the number. What do you mean? This is what you're saying. How am I saying that? By saying that you want to instill a particular agenda?
Speaker 1:I think you just have an issue with the words, but I feel like I'm saying the same thing that you're saying.
Speaker 2:Let's not talk about hypotheticals, let's talk about Harris. He's right here, yeah.
Speaker 3:Fuck you, dude. Why does it always got to go back to me, man? You already talked about me. We want to make sure it's not boring for the audience.
Speaker 4:Green hair.
Speaker 2:Green hair. I don't care. What are you trying to do? Let's be honest here.
Speaker 1:Why are you feeling a certain type of way? No, I'm not feeling it. Harris, can you close your ears?
Speaker 2:Oh wait, a second. Harris can't hear anything.
Speaker 3:Fuck yeah.
Speaker 2:No, I'm completely fine. Can you leave the room? I'm not going to forget about this once he bites yeah.
Speaker 3:Fuck you.
Speaker 2:Hey, if I'm making you pay attention a little bit closer right now, I am not trying to do that, so try to like disconnect from that.
Speaker 3:No, I can't do it. I can't do it, man.
Speaker 1:You're asking what's the question now? What are you trying to do to Harris Right as of now? No, no, no, as of before our conversation happened, conversation happened. Well, obviously, trying to help him in particular ways and trying to.
Speaker 2:Don't fucking lie, because I remember it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm definitely trying to push a particular agenda. What is the agenda? Yeah, I mean to Wait why is it funny?
Speaker 2:Because me and you had this mini conversation and you said when you were away, we had like a real thing. He's like y'all, like I learned like from phil. I learned a lesson I want to be careful, be, stay away, uh-huh kind of thing. Be cautious, not get too, like you know, sucked in with this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah no, no, and that's exactly what I was uh reiterating it went what it is yeah, okay, yeah, no, no.
Speaker 2:So you know the context, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm saying is that like, like the the like. My thing was that like, okay, like what? Like, if someone's asking help for something right, like my understanding fundamentally as to like what's important. Hold on one second. Are you still bored?
Speaker 2:No, okay.
Speaker 1:Like what's what's important, what's not important? Hold on one second.
Speaker 2:Do you know why?
Speaker 4:Why.
Speaker 2:That you're bored.
Speaker 3:Why are you not bored? Because talking about me, man, oh, wow, okay, cool so you're a selfish little fucker. So going forward.
Speaker 2:You asked for us to talk about you. I thought you said you don't want to talk about you every week, every time.
Speaker 3:No, oh shit, you are suffering from Alzheimer's. You might forget it.
Speaker 2:Sounds good. No, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. A deceiver.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my understanding is that if someone's asking for help, I have an understanding of what's good, for example on particular things. What's bad I'm not going to. If you ask me for help on something, my agenda is not going to be like, for example, to be like my, the most important thing is money right. Like you need to make as much money as possible, buy as much shit, right, and that's going to make you really happy. Like I don't fundamentally um agree with that. So yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess, like if me saying like agenda or pushing some something, I mean I I can see how it sounds bad, but I'm not. I don't feel like my intentions are using in a bad way right.
Speaker 2:Well then, you have to find the right word yeah, yeah, um so.
Speaker 1:so my point is that, like when I'm asked or put in a position for help, I have a particular understanding of what's important, what's not, and I try to teach in those particular things.
Speaker 2:Parameters.
Speaker 1:Parameters, right, I'm not going to teach you again about getting rich as fast as possible, because I don't believe in that. For example, right, example, right, and I, I like, um, my, like. My initial frustrations, for example, with like, uh, um, philip, right, is that like um, there I was, I was realizing that I was, I was the one trying to help, more than the person was actually requesting the help or like participating in receiving the help. So I was like yo, I don't want to do that again. Right, like, I'm not gonna chase somebody to give them things again. I'm not gonna. Like, uh, um, like, like, do any of that right, um, right, like, like, do I think we could get harris a car? Like, absolutely, do I think that? Like that, that's the best thing to do? No, right, right, I give har my my gym membership, but do I think that he needs to be going to a $250 a month gym? No, right, like, I don't agree with these things. Right, um and uh, and like. I don't want to do these kinds of things anymore. Right, so, um, why? Because I don't find them to be productive.
Speaker 1:Like, the like it it, you get put in a position where it's like the individual does not understand what you're trying to tell them at that point, right? So, um, there, you need to pull back in, like a way, and you need to think about uh, what kind of expectations are you setting? Right, or are you having, and are they the right ones to begin with? Right, is it just what? What? Like you may want to get someone to under, like, help someone understand some, something that might benefit them, but if they're not in a position to learn it, then then, like, any answers you have are absolutely like a useless.
Speaker 1:Right, like you speak a different language completely, right, um, but on on like the contrary, right, for me, it's difficult to speak the other language, right, which, like elder, is much better at speaking and bridge, bridging the gap.
Speaker 1:Right, um, maybe because he has like a more like pulled, pulled, pulled back expectations from the beginning. Right, um, right, but like, um, for, yeah, for me it's oftentimes so, like it's difficult to watch something play out in a particular way where, like you, you kind of understood it on like a certain level, right, and you have the ability to maybe explain it, but then, maybe, I guess, throughout that process, you realize you actually don't have the ability to explain it, because part of that process is like you went through a particular process to learn a particular way, right, but how can you um explain to somebody without them, for example, um going through particular hurdles, right, and and developing that kind of way? So? So it's like the there's like a uh, like a skipping of like development, potentially like happening there, if you have those kinds of like expectations or like desires, right. So, yeah, like. Those are definitely my realizations. No matter what answers I have, no matter what knowledge I have, I can't just upload that onto someone else's hard drive.
Speaker 2:If you had a choice, would you?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Why not?
Speaker 1:You believe in God's plan is better than yours, well no, no, because I also don't don't believe that, like um, you can't rush, good music well, well, the right things and great things are are meant to be earned um right.
Speaker 1:So I definitely believe that yeah, yeah, yeah, I definitely believe that that's good. Um, yeah, yeah, which is why, again, I don't think that it's healthy for someone to get, like acquire a huge amount of wealth without developing mentally. Yeah, right, like would there any be any person out there turned down like if they won the lotto, to turn it down like hey, actually I know I won, but I'm not in a really good position to take this. I'm just going to respectively decline.
Speaker 3:You're taking a monthly installment, boy, and then, if you die before you get along, go to your next game. That's right, right.
Speaker 2:Do you realize that you are a rock? Huh, do you realize that you are a rock? And they were tumbling you? Yeah, he's built like a rock.
Speaker 3:John doesn't understand the tumbling point because he wasn't here. He wasn't here for that, but they pushed you down the hill.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've watched that episode. Yeah, so my thing is to pull back and to set maybe more realistic expectations. Yeah, based on the scope of service.
Speaker 2:That's there, right, yeah, based on the scope of service.
Speaker 1:That's like there, yeah Right, and yeah, I need to like speak like Donnie and like talk about fireworks and I don't know, donnie.
Speaker 2:So were you like, I guess, how? Were you convinced that the way that you thought the help was needed was the right way, or were you wrong about that? The way that that, what? Like, the way that you thought help right, the way that he needed help or that he needed help? Were you wrong about your impression of it? Okay, let me try to answer that. Yeah, I think he was more optimistic about wanting to bring a person to a place where you know what I mean, like where they should be, yeah, versus understanding that the journey is actually a little bit longer than he thought. Oh, yeah, okay, that's, that's all that is, I think. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like he wishes him well, of course, he wants him to do the best yeah, right, and he not necessarily wants him to go through the same trials and tribulations that he went through. Yeah, because he's like yo, those are, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Well, not that it's necessarily painful, but I feel that and maybe I'm wrong about this right that, like the new generation of people that are learning from the new generation of teachers I don't know if it's true, but I have this inclination that it should be a bit easier almost for them, which I'm not sure. If it's true, I think you got that wrong?
Speaker 2:Why would it be easier for them? Yeah, I think you got that one wrong. You almost feel like hey look, there's a stepping stone here, right Like just use it. Personally, I feel the younger generation is opposite.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. I'm not talking about just in general, the younger generation. I'm talking about that, like, if you're in a position, um, where you're a teacher, right, like how do I explain this? Like right? Like like, for example, right because you went through something particular right. And if you're now in a position where you're teaching, right, you know more information than before, when you were trying to acquire that information.
Speaker 2:I think you might be wrong about that. No, because you know be wrong about that. No, because you know more information about yourself, but you don't know about that person, their journey, the choices they made and how they got there. You may know about your own journey because it's obviously.
Speaker 1:No, I know, but when you're teaching somebody, you're teaching somebody from information that you've acquired correct.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure Like if Harris is asking about eating and weight things, you're giving him particular directions, right? Yes, from information that you've acquired and you went through, and maybe at one point someone might have been telling you that or maybe that, but you weren't listening to it. Or maybe you went through your struggle with that thing back and forth up until you made particular conclusions on things, right. And now when somebody's asking you for your help, right now you have that information internally that you wrestled with, yeah, right, and that you told that that information, yo fuck off. Right, that's bs, right, like you went back and forth on that, right, yeah. So now when you have that and you're directing somebody, you're teaching somebody like you have like a higher level of that information now yeah, but I don't.
Speaker 2:I still don't believe. The thing is, you may have more, you may have a lot of information, but there's a lot of at least the way I'm initially thinking about it now is there's a lot of. There's a couple factors. One is is that person going to hear your information, right? And two, are you delivering the information? Probably this is the most important one. That's making me think now, are you going to be able to deliver the information in the proper sequence of events? I'm not going to tell him yo go run, because this is what I did.
Speaker 1:He might not even be ready to walk, no, but you're not going to tell him to go run, because you may were in a position where you desire to run when you should, for example, walk, but you wrestled with that, with, with, with that whole, like a um, um journey, right. And then, when you teach somebody, they may have the have the desire to go run, right, but you know at that moment that they need to actually walk. Yeah, and I have to respect that. No, no, I'm saying that, like, like they may they be, they may have desires to run and if they want to, not listen to you and go run, absolutely you should respect that. But I'm saying that, even when they want to run, you might already have, like, the wisdom there, but they actually need to walk, or maybe they just need to rest today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, but the thing, but you have that ability thing is you, but even though you have this information yeah, you may still this information you might be wrong, because still you may be wrong, even though you look at them like yo, they don't need to run, you don't know. Again, I just feel like you don't know enough about that person how they got there, how they think, what they believe in what's their reasoning.
Speaker 2:There's so many factors that you can definitely give advice, especially when a task is definitely good. You know, the person is probably more receptive to listen, but it doesn't mean that that they're gonna uh that that advice is the proper advice for them, because they may take it and they it might not get them anywhere.
Speaker 1:No, that that's for sure. You're like. You definitely can't ever, I think for sure. No, if it's like, like, like, I'm not sure if that ever exists, like a master teacher like that that knows exactly what, what dosages needed to give at all times. Like, no matter what, I'm not sure if that well, that's why, yeah, if that, if that exists you do.
Speaker 1:You do what you can with the best ability, and I think that my understanding of it is that I'm not saying that it's meant that, like, for example, if you're my teacher and I'm learning from you that I'm supposed to for sure supersede you, for example, right, I'm saying that like.
Speaker 1:If you for sure supersede you for, for example, right, I'm saying that, like, if you have a match where you have a teacher that, like, understood something properly, right, and you have a student that is, um, eager to learn and and and an avid participant, and they have that same type of desire drive themselves, I think it's inevitable for that student to overtake the teacher. Agreed, that's what I'm saying? Yeah, and that's how it's supposed to be. I agree, right, it's developed like this Like if you learn something and I have the resiliency and the ability to withstand all those different things and be still there, eager to continue to learn, even past that, yeah, I'm supposed to suffer less, withstand all all those different things and be still there, eager to continue to learn, even past that, yeah I'm supposed to suffer less, I think, than than you did, and then, ultimately, over.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. 100, I agree with that, yeah yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it doesn't mean that anybody that says like, hey, I want to learn, that's always proven. That people can say like, hey, I want to learn them. They prove themselves that like they're not resilient, they don't have tough skin, they don't have what it takes right, and that doesn't mean that like they're they're they're supposed to get it, they're not supposed to get it.
Speaker 1:I'm completely fine with that, right, um, my, my example initially with the, with the, with the philips situation, is that I was more blind to that in the sense of like um that that like, like you had a hard time of him going yeah, yeah, I had a hard time of him going because, like really well, well, I had a hard time like understanding of like yo, like the situation is so good and like you mentioned so many times, that like how, how good it is right, yeah, up until you didn't and you gave so much good feedback, and then to me it's like the ending, the the ending of what happened to me was like baffling of like what decisions are being made compared to like what words were being said.
Speaker 1:Yeah Right, like that to me was like the hard part of understanding, but then I definitely um, switch my tune and I definitely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was all smoke and mirrors.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then, and then I, and then I understood, but the initial, the initial turn was a little bit perplexing to me, based on like, like, like, how good the vibe?
Speaker 2:sure, but then that means you're just a little bit more gullible. That's all it is no one.
Speaker 1:One hundred percent optimistic yeah, well, yeah, 100, and then from there yeah, my, my goal is definitely not to um the, the, yeah, the uh students should have, should lap the teacher in their desire to learn compared to the teacher's desire to teach. Like that, that's what's supposed to happen. An ideal thing? No, not in the ideal thing. In a scenario where there's going to be substantial change but the teacher cannot have the, cannot have an attachment for that to happen oh, that's for sure, that's for sure. Yeah, no, yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 1:Then you'll be disappointed way more times than you are. But I think that yeah, like in those scenarios where the student wants to learn way more than the teacher wants to teach like those are guaranteed success.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know for sure. I mean, you're talking about a perfect picture. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, I agree. But I think maybe Elder can chime in when he comes back. I think why, elder you know a lot of times people come to Elder and his approach and why he's a good teacher, because a lot of times, for example, if Harris came right to me, he said, yeah, I want to lose weight. Part of maybe Elder's approach is like he's willing to go on a journey with you on what you believe, until you ask him to say, like yo, am I right here? You know, he's willing to go with you to prove your theory right or wrong, and let you prove it to yourself and be like.
Speaker 1:Oh, actually I don't know. Yeah, yeah, see that, like, like I, I think those like and I think that's very important to build such a relationship. Yeah, but I think that it's always that the yeah. I'm not sure if there's ever, if it's ever possible to say that there's a good teacher. I think there's only good students, because it's proven time and time again that no matter what information you have, it doesn't matter you know.
Speaker 2:But yeah, again, what you're saying, I agree with you. But it's also hard to say that too, because how does a good student how does a bad student become a good student?
Speaker 1:I was saying that I don't think that there's any scenario where there's actually a good teacher. There's only good students, because no matter what information you have as a teacher, you can't be a good teacher without a good student.
Speaker 2:I agree with that.
Speaker 1:And I also think that, like a good student, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:Okay, I was saying to a certain point. You're right, but how does like a bad student become a good student? Because there's a thing, like I was giving an example of you. Why I think you're you know this approach that you always do a lot of times is that you're willing to go with that person to test their theories, even though you may be, may know that hey you shouldn't be running, but you're willing to be like yo, let's go running.
Speaker 2:Let's hurt your feet, let's do that, You're willing to do that. But I think that relationship builds a rapport where people trust you and they keep coming to you because, like yo, he rolled with me when I was here. Let me keep rocking with him. I just understand in the moment the level of attachment the individual has in order to test their own theory. And I don't want to stand in behind.
Speaker 2:I think that's very important. Yeah, I don't want to stand in between that. You know what I mean and the faster we find out what those theories are, the attachments that you have right, whatever they are, we have to bring those out in order to expedite the process, almost, of learning or trust building.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, yeah, you know, yeah, but I think that what you're saying regarding teacher and student relationship, a good teacher first initiates the proper process and also lays the breakdown, whereas if a student comes to you like right, they say, oh, I want to learn this, the teacher should be able to, like you always say, deny the student almost, or challenge the student for them to be able to have a qualifier right which they have to go through. If they don't meet the qualifier, then you can't get them through.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, the beginning.
Speaker 2:The beginning, but then if the student is curious and is doing the right thing and is humble enough and is bowing his head.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, only a good student can extract the best things that a teacher has to offer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you, only a good student can extract the best things that a teacher has to offer and probably elevate the teacher. Yes, yes, you understood. Yeah, because I think that also gets to a point where you cannot benefit from me or Toli or Mike or anybody around here, right, without being curious enough to be able to extract the information that you need in order for us to help you level up. But that's what we talked about before. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:Having to be resourceful. Yeah, I think that like, yeah, what you're saying is right, that the teacher could lay out the proper foundation and like brick, right. And then there comes a challenge to the student to keep coming back in a particular way to be able to put themselves in a position to learn. Yeah, but I also think that that relationship is really important because then I think then goes the opposite. Yeah, it gets to a certain point where the student gets so high enough that they pose a challenge to the teacher.
Speaker 2:Okay, right, yeah. And now the teacher has to elevate themselves based on where they were at before meeting that student, and only that is when a symbiotic relationship happens, where both people go towards the same place versus needing to go separate ways Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes. Absolutely, because then the challenge is a mutual one yeah, because yeah, and also the only yeah Wow. So also the only way I think in that case too, a teacher can actually learn more Pass where they're at, if they're challenged by a good student.
Speaker 2:Yes, Continuously, yes, continuously. The good student will challenge the teacher to elevate their game.
Speaker 1:Yes, Because they're going to not have an answer. They have to figure it out. That's right, you know?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's right, you know, yeah, that's right. And that is when the teacher almost it's a paradoxical thing where a teacher then reverses the roles of surrender to then the student being the leader, and that is the perfect case scenario. Yeah, and that symbiotic relationship of learning, yeah, yeah, if you didn't understand anything, this is completely okay, because squirrels I mean chipmunks?
Speaker 4:Fuck you, I mean chipmunks, I mean raccoons, you mean potatoes.
Speaker 3:Potatoes. He said Fuck you.
Speaker 2:Okay, look the truth of the matter is this you, as Harris, the identity of Harris, didn't understand anything we just said. However, harris, I'm going to give you props right now and this is a general props, where everybody has this as well your soul.
Speaker 3:I already know the breakdown on what the hell he just said.
Speaker 2:But you don't actually know it, you just feel it inside, right, no, I know I can tell you.
Speaker 3:I'd love to hear it he can't say, let's say this he can't teach me until I get to the point where I ask him and I show that I really want this, okay, and I really want to learn this. Okay, I get that, we get that, yeah.
Speaker 2:So did Nick die.
Speaker 3:And what?
Speaker 2:and do you know what's, uh, what's stopping you from getting to that point? Because, like for our relationship right With the working out stuff I don't know who told these, but I can speak about ours You're constantly challenging me. When I tell you to do certain things, you don't do them, so you don't have the respect. I'm going to be in your corner right now. I'm going to be in your corner right now I'm going to be in your corner.
Speaker 2:Challenge him. I'm going to be in your corner right now. I'm going to be in your corner right now. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to be in your corner. Challenge him. This is what he said. He's not sure sometimes when you're trolling or not. Yeah, oh, I know. But also the reason I am doing it right now, the way I'm doing it, yeah, is being half in half out. Yeah, it's because I he's half in half out, so I'm checking him to see, to see where he's at.
Speaker 3:He is, and so far he hasn't shown me that he's serious. Oh so I haven't actually started. What do you want me to do? Like? Be like yo, mike, you want to go to dunker rock uh, the thing is, um, do you?
Speaker 2:you have to ask me, you can ask me. But yeah, I think when you start asking questions like, hey, mike, what should I eat? What should I work out? Do you want to go to Dunkirk? You want to go eat here? You want to eat something healthy? Is this healthy? Is it okay to eat this? Is it too late to eat this? Is it too early? Should I be skipping meals? Should I be skipping breakfast? Once you start asking those questions, then I go there with you. I win double. Regardless, for me it's a win. But until you start wanting it and I have to see that you want it, which is by you asking me like hey, mike, how do I do this? Why should I do this? Can you explain this? And I have no problem explaining all the stuff you know, except the gay stuff you're doing right now with John.
Speaker 3:Why are you?
Speaker 2:playing footsies with him. Fuck you, I'm not playing footsies with him, did you, or did you not?
Speaker 4:touch his foot just now. They all saw it. They all saw it, we saw it.
Speaker 2:We only saw the fact that you hit him.
Speaker 3:Watch the replay on that thing. Yes, um, the one thing I can say differently about. Let's go back to the call review. This call review, I don't know hit a little different really yes, why uh? I don't know, I felt shittier. Why?
Speaker 2:I don't know, it's nothing shittier, why? I don't know, it's nothing that we haven't done.
Speaker 3:We've done this plenty of times the same way, I know, but it was just realizing. I don't know. I realized myself even before the call reveal. Try to listen to this. I listened to the guy we were talking about that I wrote the email to. After he didn't respond to my email, I went back and listened to the call even before. Oh, you did yourself. We did the call review. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Really Wow.
Speaker 3:I realized how horrible I sound, how much I fumbled the whole fucking thing you did. That's why, before you even started listening to it, I was explaining something, because I listened to it myself this morning. Yeah, when I noticed he didn't email me back.
Speaker 2:See, this phenomenon that we're talking about is this is probably, you know, I think happens all the time. The student is always overly confident in what they have achieved up until that point. So he in his head is like yo, I'm doing good here, I'm figuring some stuff out to a certain extent, but when you hear it out loud and you receive the criticism, it's like damn. I already told myself I'm pretty good at this what the fuck is happening.
Speaker 3:One second. I just want to state when I did this shit yesterday and I talked to this guy, I thought, know, he was gonna book a meeting off this email, he was gonna click toli's calendar, see and schedule a fucking thing. But then when he didn't do it and I sent the reply and it said he looked at the thing. That's the new fucking email I just said I decided to go back to my call and hear it before the fucking call review to see.
Speaker 2:And you realized Did you realize all the things that we talked about today? Yeah, wow, he might be graduating from potato to tomato.
Speaker 4:I'm realizing even before the call review if I make a call with someone.
Speaker 3:I need to replay it to myself. That's a crazy phenomenon, Philip was surprising me.
Speaker 2:This guy's crazy phenomenon. Philip was surprising me. This guy's surprising me. They always surprise me. Are they just fucking? I mean, this is interesting. I definitely am surprised that he would do such a thing.
Speaker 3:But you can say, even before you listen to Zach's call To go back, to listen to the call, yeah, to go back to listen to your call and analyze it yourself.
Speaker 2:that already is like a the conclusion that he drew like yo.
Speaker 4:I sent the email. The guy read it. I fucked this up. Let me see what I said. He didn't like it?
Speaker 2:He didn't respond, and then he went to review it.
Speaker 3:Even before we listened to Zach, I was telling you certain things about the fucking call yeah, like, yeah, I know I fucked up on this. I know I fucked up on this and I kept trying to interrupt you.
Speaker 2:I remember this.
Speaker 3:What do you mean? I go back to my call log and I type in the date that I made the call, click the date and I review it and I realized how bad I fumbled. The whole fucking thing.
Speaker 2:Before I give you my feedback, let's hear what Tully thinks about that.
Speaker 1:On what, though, on?
Speaker 2:that On his steps. He on what, though? Exactly like on that on his his, you know, step steps he, you know he was under the impression that he did. Well, yeah, right. Then he realized he didn't get the responses, so he didn't get the book meeting and he's like wait, what happened? Let me go back and check my, my steps. What did I do?
Speaker 3:yeah and then he realized again that he actually fucked up there's a reason I was beating myself up even more today than I was ever before.
Speaker 1:The past couple calls what are my thoughts you're saying about that?
Speaker 2:my thoughts are here. I give you my thoughts and I help you roll off of those. I think that's a good thing. I respect the fact that he actually did that. It's like my thoughts are here I give you my thoughts and I help you roll off of those. I think that's a good thing. I respect the fact that he actually did that. He was under one impression. He's like yo, what the fuck, how come he's not responding to me, how come he's not booking a meeting? I did the good thing and then he went back. He's like okay, let me check. And then he corrected impression and said oh, I fucked up actually, because you really listened to it. If that's what actually happened.
Speaker 1:I respect that. No, I mean that part I respect. But I'm saying is that if you, if that's what happens, I would have, I mean Listen, I'll take what I can get right now. I would have expected him to come to me like yo. Look, this is what happened here. I messed this up, right? Can we go over the call and can you let me know?
Speaker 2:what I did wrong, what I did wrong. Listen, all right, I think that's a. That's the next step. Yeah, there's levels of humility there is. There is right now he's discovering himself, and that's like I said. I think that's.
Speaker 3:That's good, yeah I'm also discovering I hate my fucking voice. That's irrelevant, and you?
Speaker 2:discovered your vagina too. Fuck you, yeah, how do you feel about that? What the fact that you've discovered you have a vagina? Fuck you, dude.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So let's bring it all back together. Accountability, that's what we talked about. Was that an example of accountability? Was that an?
Speaker 1:example of accountability. Was that an example of accountability?
Speaker 2:Taking accountability, responsibility for your actions or your understanding, your thoughts and maybe correcting the wrongs.
Speaker 1:But how are you correcting the wrongs?
Speaker 2:Well, feeling bad about them Changing your impression.
Speaker 4:Yeah, changing your impression.
Speaker 2:For example, he said, hey, bad about them Changing your impression, yeah, changing your impression. For example, he said, hey, today was actually harder than ever for him to sit through that call because he did that to himself already and then now we have to go through it. Right, we went through the same call and told him the exact same feedback.
Speaker 3:I mean, you could see today in the look in my face and the way how I said. You asked me how am I feeling? What's going through my mind?
Speaker 2:And I said I'd really like to work it yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I mean there's definitely some level of progression.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're having a hard time giving him flowers for the small changes that he's.
Speaker 1:I think after everything that happened, in general I have a harder time giving any credit to anybody Totally.
Speaker 3:He has PTSD. Totally no, totally. Why do I have a different?
Speaker 4:Why do I have a different?
Speaker 2:Like I have no problem giving it to him, but I also have no problem firing him either. I've learned. Well, I think that's that's because you never did what he did. What is that? Which is he set expectations? Yeah, and that's. You never said it. No, no, no, I'm excited for him to be here, I'm excited for him to learn, I'm excited for all that stuff, but I know there can be a fucking turning point. If we cut his finger off, we'll probably fire his ass. You know what I'm saying? Like that's the gigs up. He's a fucking dummy. You know what I mean. Like stuff like that. Like I know that could be around the corner and that might be in him. If that lives in him, I don't give a fuck about him. You know what?
Speaker 2:I mean I kick this motherfucker out Like I kick everybody else out. I don't give a fuck happens to him. You know what I mean. Like that's how I feel, but in the moment I'm on his fucking team. I've now learned.
Speaker 3:Wholeheartedly. I've now learned the only way I guess totally his excitement is when he sees real Smoking meat Real no real improvement. I'm talking real improvement, but what does that mean?
Speaker 2:Because I feel like I get excited about, like real improvement. I'm talking real improvement, but what does that mean? Because I feel like I get excited about what you did and the progression of the things that you just did. I'm happy about that.
Speaker 1:No, I'm happy about them as well. You just don't want to voice them. Yeah, but yeah. But I feel like I don't want to voice it to keep the humbleness, okay, humility, yeah, humility, yeah, but I feel like I don't want to voice it to keep the humbleness.
Speaker 2:Okay, humility okay fine, okay fine, because you think that he can grow a bigger head. Oh yeah, okay I think everyone can yeah, okay, there's always got to be a good cop and a bad cop, ain't it? You're right, maybe? I totally believe in that. Yeah, okay, there's always got to be a good cop and a bad cop in it, you're right, maybe? Yeah, I totally believe in that.
Speaker 1:No, but I also felt that, like in a lot of different things. I felt like and I think it was like the right thing to do. I felt like and still it happens now I feel like you do that to me a lot, you know, what do you mean?
Speaker 1:Like, where it's like um, like like I could be a point where I feel like okay, like I've improved on something or I've done something really really well, right, and like um, like you could acknowledge particular things, but I know that you know the importance, for example, of like keeping me humble and keeping me yeah, but it comes to me very naturally what it comes to me very naturally, where I feel like almost like you're forcing the issue. Well, I have, I mean right before this, I have a PTSD experience.
Speaker 2:yeah, From what.
Speaker 1:Well, like from like the last few, and mainly the Philip one, you know where it's. Like now, like, like for me to give actual props, actual yeah, like, um, like I, I feel like I need to see, like for me to voice it in that kind of way, I need to like, almost see a lot right and like um, but that's because you weren't giving them the flowers at that moment.
Speaker 2:I always give the flowers in the moment. I always told philip you know, philip, I cannot believe that you're. You're saying the things, you're saying the progressions that you're doing right. Like, I said all those things because I actually felt them internally, like I gave that to him unapologetically, like I actually believed in that. But when the turn happened, well, I have to be honest with the turn and the turn was completely fine with me as well. Yeah, you know what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying like yeah, like I like I don't know how to describe it that's just how I feel, If you go back to those episodes, philip's episodes.
Speaker 2:You will see that I'm giving him flowers in those moments.
Speaker 4:No no sure.
Speaker 1:I'm not.
Speaker 2:I'm like I was almost baffled by the fact that the things that he was realizing in those moments no, and I remember that, and I remember you being shocked about those things.
Speaker 2:I was shocked about them and I was so optimistic. I'm like yo, this is the right guy. Yeah, you know what I mean. He's the right person and I'm glad like he fits in personally with us like this Right Business-wise. He didn't, but like I knew that there was a gap and until we, it's like it's not gonna work because we have a business here to run. You know, at the end of the day, you know. So I looked at it realistically. You know I had to give him props for the props that he deserved.
Speaker 1:yeah, I just felt that, like I, I put myself in a position where, um, like I, I, I put my myself in a position where I allowed myself to be let down and I was let down and, like now, I don't want to be put in that kind of a but the letting down is do you, do you take responsibility that you did that? Yeah, no, I definitely do, but then if you do take, responsibility for that.
Speaker 2:Is it right, then, to put the next person in that?
Speaker 1:that's a very good question. Well, no, like, I don't think that I'm doing anything to like the next person in that. Well, no, that's a very good question. Well, no, I don't think that I'm doing anything to the next person.
Speaker 2:But you are keeping a tighter gait and you are pulling back and you are doing certain things not to prevent.
Speaker 1:Well, the pulling back is correct in the sense of not pulling back like in what I believe or what I want. But I need to have a bit of a different expectation and a bit of different approach. Right, um, one that will work better for the individual. Right, not not for me, for for um, for and and and for for the individual. And now I just feel that, like um, it, it, it, it. It feels for me internally better not to give, like um, a ton of props too early, because but is it?
Speaker 2:for yourself or for the other person to not give it like are you protecting yourself here because you don't properly like set the expectation. So therefore you do this, or are you doing it for that person?
Speaker 1:Like maybe when, like yeah, like maybe historically, me giving of props like actual props is like a high expectation maybe you're a high bar, you know and not like more, like mini, smaller ones.
Speaker 2:I think the difference is in like moment to moment basis, of like examining moment to moment. Right now, I can give props, based on the props what it is and based on the moment that it is Tomorrow, I know it's a new day. Just like I tell him every call is different, right? So, just like I tell him every call is different, right? So tomorrow is going to be a new day. Tomorrow, if you present yourself as a dumbass, you're a dumbass. I think that's also a difficult task itself. No, but I think it's fair. It's fair. But I'm saying that's where, like you know, sure, I was giving Philip all the flowers in the world in those moments that I was giving him because I genuinely believed in it. But as soon as he spoke, the things he spoke and believed, I reacted the way I reacted, and I think that was appropriate. So I think that we as individuals, are fluid.
Speaker 4:We should be fluid yeah, we try to be as fluid as possible, but it's not easy to do it.
Speaker 2:I don't think so, because we we like to put things in boxes so we can understand it better ourselves.
Speaker 1:Yes, Maybe it's also like different individuals, maybe need different or maybe need like different levels of props and should be given different levels of props, where, like someone that doesn't know anything, for example, small step like that, yeah, could be given props.
Speaker 2:For example, right like harris I think you. What you did about that whole little situation I agree with and that was pretty good. But however, harris, I still think you're a dumbass agreed yeah, agreed. You see, yeah right, like in that moment he did the right thing. This does not mean that tomorrow he'll do the right thing yeah, so like, so, maybe, like.
Speaker 1:I don't understand, then, the purpose of giving props on those kinds of things. But you have to call things for what they are, right, like yeah, but I call them for what they are internally, I just don't no but you don't voice.
Speaker 2:You didn't voice it Like I voiced it right.
Speaker 1:Like he's yeah.
Speaker 2:Like, if you're asked or whatever, to give your opinion, like I'm asking you what's your opinion, you're like oh, I'm a little shy, even though you do like, oh, that was good, you know what I'm saying. Like, well, I'm like oh, that was good, bro, you know what.
Speaker 1:I mean, yes, I didn't understand that I was doing that.
Speaker 2:Then oh, you were doing it 100%.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, but like, yeah, like. The reason for not giving them, I guess, is because, yeah, like, I'll like, like, listen.
Speaker 2:I agree with what you're doing in general. What do you mean? I agree with it, like as in. Like I understand your intention behind it. Yeah, the intention is well, it's good. Yeah, you know what I mean to not blow somebody's head up, to be egotistical, prideful, and stuff like that. You know what I mean, but I disagree with you being having that much cautious approach Like that, like to you. I think you're hurting yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're hurting yourself. It could be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you might not be hurting the other person. I think, that's good for the other person but you might be hurting yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I might not be able to experience that win. Yes, in that moment, yeah, yes, where I thoroughly enjoy it yeah.
Speaker 2:I enjoy it, but because I know the fact that, like in a couple of days or so, it might not be there yeah, I think that disclaimer what you're saying about like hey, asterix, I know when I be there, hey Harris you did a good job today, yeah. But trust me, bro, you are dumbass in my eyes still. But I think that is important to install it into yourself, to be able to give the props, yeah, but to also know in the back of your head, like yeah, but he's also a dumbass ignorant and I'm completely okay with that.
Speaker 1:I guess like my, my approach and like, for example, like um in trying to teach something like I want bigger things to happen before props are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I know you want to hit milestones, but again are you judging the bigger things based on your scale of big or on the other person's capacity for big, like for me? Yeah, it might not be a big thing. Hold on one second, mike. You're saying very good stuff, but I do want to ask Harris one thing. Harris, yeah, based on everything that's transpiring right now, are you, are you not?
Speaker 3:in good, I'm in good hands, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like yeah, what is so funny? John? John is just Johnny. Is that brilliant or no? I?
Speaker 2:think. John is jelly you're a funny guy, john. Is that brilliant or no?
Speaker 3:yes, okay, thank you you need to bring this guy on the team and put him in some good hands.
Speaker 2:I'm getting the 25. Remember, he's here right now.
Speaker 3:He's got 25 you got zero my friend he ain't getting shit, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Sorry, yeah, no, maybe it's just. Yeah, I agree with you with the thing of like. Yeah, I'm looking at, I guess, higher milestones before giving props. But I also relate it to my own self, which I do know that when I was also in those type of positions, like I wanted all the props in the world yeah, right, yeah, I wanted all the products in the world, and I was also um internally blowing myself up bigger than I, I, I uh, I, I uh should have, and that um like did not do well for for me that's right, but but but are you making that call that it's not important for him to go through that to learn what you've learned by?
Speaker 2:Again, I think his intention is so well that he wants to apply the intention, the well intention, towards individuals that cannot accept this intention, right? He knows the flaws that he has and he's like yo. Let's skip those. You know what I mean, because I want to yo.
Speaker 4:Let's skip those. You know what I mean, because I want to build a better thing.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean that and that's almost unfair to harris. That's what I'm saying. It's unfair that because he's putting in the same, but you know what it's like. It's innocently unfair, I'm sure, but it's good, yeah you know what I? Mean like sure you understand, harris. He wishes you to succeed, bro. What the fuck? Yeah, we have to call Nate again.
Speaker 3:Bro, he's gone, man, he's gone, right, he's done.
Speaker 2:Let me see he hasn't called me nothing, man, he croaked bro. No chance he's missing your call for more than an hour.
Speaker 3:Hold up, he might be ignoring you on purpose.
Speaker 2:Maybe you should call him. Give me his number.
Speaker 3:I'm a random number.
Speaker 2:He likes international calls 404.
Speaker 3:404.
Speaker 2:916. But yo, if you call, when he picks up, say yo hi Nate.
Speaker 3:I'm Nate 404-916. 6975. 6975.
Speaker 2:Put it on speaker Georgia.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you used to live there.
Speaker 4:He might be on a flight or something.
Speaker 1:Or he might be on a flight or something, or he might have changed his number.
Speaker 3:No, no chance. Or maybe he's right here. That's what I'm saying. Is he on facebook?
Speaker 1:we'll talk about that later, yeah, yeah so for me, I just feel that, like I don't know, I have this internal belief and again it might be a wrong one. Um, I'm happy to examine it. That, like the next gen of of of the students, yeah, should not go through everything that the teacher went through okay, fine, it's like you're trying to do like god mood shit here.
Speaker 2:You know you're trying to make that call listen, I know, but that's a good like a good wish.
Speaker 1:It's a good wish, for sure. No, but it's not even that. But I think that you can apply that for the next generation?
Speaker 1:You could say that it might not apply to Harris or John, right yeah, very specific cases, but like the whole next generation, I think that's very ambitious Like, for example, whatever Like, for example, like whatever Eldar went through to like start, like his learning path or to learn the things that he did Like. I mean, I came into the equation already with like, my pre-made like issues, but I'm still convinced that there was certain things that I was able to pick up that he had to go through, that I didn't have to go through. You don't think that?
Speaker 2:Maybe, but that's because everybody's so individual. You like cheese and he likes fucking bicycles. Everybody goes through based on what their attachment is. Elda never had an attachment towards X. You had an attachment towards X, but you didn't have one towards Y.
Speaker 1:No, but I'm not even talking about that. I came into a situation with somebody that had already a strong body of knowledge, right Like versus like, if you don't come into that situation, but you also, yourself, came in with a strong body of knowledge.
Speaker 2:You know what.
Speaker 1:Not really.
Speaker 2:Toli's case, unlike anybody else's case. Like I said always and I'm okay with saying this, he was very curious. It was not me pressing my agenda upon Tully, it was Tully pressing me on his agenda and his agenda was the questioning one. Like yo, yo, yo, tell me about this, tell me about that. He was very curious. This is like like black and white for me. You know what I'm saying. So I think that's a big kicker on the whole situation that the reason why I turned out to be able to give the amount of stuff that I was able to give is because of him. That's the only reason. Dennis came to me up to a point, also asked me stuff Up to a point, that's it. You know what I mean. Totally continues to ask, continues to do so. I continue to give Up until it stops. Then it stops. You know what I mean. Like it was a natural call for his curiosity and that's why I responded the way I did. You know what I'm saying. I can't force the shit Anytime. I try.
Speaker 2:We get to the point of the fact, like yo, this is my belief and this is your belief. You see, the Alzheimer's thing he has a very strong belief systems about that I have a very strong belief system about that as well. You know what I'm saying. He's going to stick to it no matter what, no matter what I say, he don't give a fuck about me. But one day, if he's like yo, elder, why do you have that opinion? Why do you don't have that attachment Like, why do you don't have this issue? You know what I mean and I'll explain to him, and only then I can explain to him my realm of understanding on Alzheimer's. Up until then, he has a very strong understanding. So as much as I force try to go in there, he won't let me in. I just tried. He said yo. He said at the end what did he say? You remember? He said yo. We're going to conclude this as we agree to disagree.
Speaker 3:This is his words. I believe I have a little more understanding about the whole thing. You see, that's it.
Speaker 2:That's it. How do I jump over that wall? How? I'm not supposed to, I'm not willing to, I don't want to fucking fight. I don't give a fuck about this guy and his fucking stupid ass belief system.
Speaker 3:He's an idiot, you understand this you Don't give a fuck about this guy and his fucking stupid ass belief system. He's an idiot you understand this.
Speaker 2:You see this. That's how I feel. That's how I actually feel he's a dumbass. I'll admit to that. Yeah, I'm fucking dumbass, that's it.
Speaker 2:Let him live with this fucking understanding. So what I'm saying is that that kicker of the curiosity is so big. You know what I mean. And if it comes naturally, then it's a natural attraction or natural connection towards continuation of what's going on. If it's not, then that is what it is. You know, he was more curious, maybe because he's paranoid. You were not. You were more. Let's get shit done. I'm completely different with you. Let's go out, let's go try to go. I'm completely different with you. Let's go out, let's go try this out. So it's completely different, which I think is completely normal as well. So maybe I'm trying to be a chameleon in the sense of who wants what. Well, that's what I was saying. You're willing to go on that run with him? Yeah, and I think that's important To you. You well, to everybody, not to him.
Speaker 4:Well, you're going on a run with him. Certain things.
Speaker 2:You're going on his same run certain things too, yeah, but I'm saying like the curiosity I think supersedes that run yeah if it's curious enough, you know what I mean, without needing to go on those runs. We can do it imaginatively with imagination, sure you know, right, harrison?
Speaker 3:yeah sure, I'm not gonna lie, I'm a little fucking lost man listen.
Speaker 2:That's very honest, harris we're talking about accountability.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I understand that. But we in my what I'm hearing is we kind of went off track a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a major off track Do you think that this is connected somehow or no Like inside of your soul we're talking being accountable is somehow connected to what we're talking about right now, about the learning process and how we learn.
Speaker 3:I mean yeah, some of us are just a little more of a, I guess slow learners, you know no being accountable, I think, transitions very smoothly into being humble on that subject okay that, that, yeah, and and maybe I have a strong thing with it, because, when you like, it is guaranteed that someone that is not accountable cannot learn.
Speaker 1:That's guaranteed, because if you're not accountable, no, no, no, I agree with this.
Speaker 2:You don't have to explain it to him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you're not accountable and you're not willing to take responsibility for your own actions, you can never let in learning, because then you don't have moments of being humble enough.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no. You don't deserve it.
Speaker 1:Well, that too yeah.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, you just don't deserve it. Yeah, well, well, that too, yeah, no, no, no, you just don't deserve it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, you know what I'm saying, like how can you get the gifts of what you're talking?
Speaker 2:about when you're this type of person. It's impossible. Yeah, you're fucked, dude. Why?
Speaker 3:I'm fucked. He's right. I realize that, uh, I'm fucking up. I mean, look at me right now. I got fucking green hair. Fine, but that's not even that serious. No, but I'm learning the fucking hard way. I look like a fucking idiot. My mom actually hooked you up, man. I know your mom hooked me up. You look better than you looked before.
Speaker 1:That's what I said.
Speaker 2:I look like a fucking dyke man. That's what I said. So you are. So now you know how they feel.
Speaker 3:What is that supposed to mean? I know how they feel, well you're wearing their bodysuit. Fuck you man.
Speaker 2:Bodysuit, I mean.
Speaker 1:I love to fucking go to the whole nine yards yeah my difficulty is like and I only feel this in the moment right, when I'm dealing with somebody, or like speaking with somebody, or like in like a like yeah, when I'm with somebody in the moment right and there's something that they're suffering with right, but they're not willing to take accountability for it, that that realization, that like that's it, like you right now, cannot be helped, right, you have a problem with that um, only in the moment that I have a little bit of difficulty because, like um, but if you know the trajectory of how these things play out and how they work, why are you disappointed?
Speaker 1:So I'm not overall disappointed. I have a difficulty with it in the moment because the realization that change cannot happen right now, even though Then you're fighting against time. Yeah Well, I mean, that's what we concluded yesterday yeah, we did conclude that yesterday. Yeah, you said exactly that. Yeah, yeah, like that, in the moment of realization that, like yo, we're sitting here. Like you know, we're at the dinner table. Yeah, we have the solutions right here, they're on our plates. Yeah, we can't, we don't have the tools to eat them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, our plates yeah, we can't, we we don't have the tools to eat them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we don't. Yeah, you know, like that, in the moment, realization for me still feels like a uh, like a like a little bit of like a, like a sad one, you know. And then, and then I realize it, and then, like that's when I come, come to your senses, yeah, that's when I come to. I'm like yo, this is like like um, it's not supposed to be like this, it's not.
Speaker 2:So you're playing hard to get man why?
Speaker 3:I'm a slow learner, like I said.
Speaker 2:Why.
Speaker 3:Why, what? Why are you playing hard to get? I don't mean to play hard to get man, because the devil done, possessed you boy Fuck you, yeah, you have Alzheimer's bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do you think that is a potential thing when it's like not like the devil in that kind of way, but like, if there's like a like, like arrogance and like making conclusions and like anger and all these different things, like the things that kind of fuel your beliefs and the way that you do things? Do you think that they're like they inherently have a way of keeping you away from the like?
Speaker 2:from the truth 100%. Your job as a teacher is to keep reminding him that your intentions are good forever.
Speaker 1:Because of the like the.
Speaker 2:Because of that thing in play. What would you call that thing? Attachment? Probably some sort of attachment.
Speaker 1:I mean condition, human condition do you view it as like a bad force? No, not at all. That's fucking weak as fuck. No, I'm not saying that it's strong, I'm just saying do you view that as like a?
Speaker 2:some people call it like the devil?
Speaker 1:are you kidding me?
Speaker 2:it doesn't exist like some people call it like a devil or like a. Are you kidding me? It doesn't exist bro. It's fucking, it's a nothing.
Speaker 1:But nonetheless, it is a force that's keeping you away from learning, right yeah?
Speaker 2:100% Attachment yeah, desire attachment yeah, yeah, but it's fucking so weak to a reasonable mind.
Speaker 1:No to a reasonable mind. It's fucking so weak to a reasonable mind. No to a reasonable mind, it's weak. But I'm saying to the mind that thinks about it that way, it's strong.
Speaker 2:Sure, oh. Any belief system is strong. Attachment is based on a belief system. You're attached to it because you believe this is what's good for you.
Speaker 4:This is what's right for you. This is the truth.
Speaker 2:Just like you believe in the truth. Right, that's your attachment to the truth.
Speaker 2:You know you wouldn't call it, you wouldn't use attachment to the truth in the same sentence, because you know even there right, like he's attached to this particular progress, where we're like, hey, let's not even talk about Harris' thing, let's talk about the fact that you have a struggling thing about this attachment itself. Even though it's a good one, yeah, it still doesn't pass the purity of the design. No, you can't. You can't do attachment and truth in one. No, you cannot In one package. It cannot. It's a contradiction. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm telling you right now that like there is a way to make it speed it up.
Speaker 1:That's the thing which you're looking for and that's what you're struggling with. Yeah, maybe I always have this natural way to try to yeah, to speed it up, but I also again like, like, uh, like I don't want to, I don't want to be um and and like that. That's the example that I was bringing to you. I guess what we were talking before is that, like you don't want to be the person that's like running back into the dark cave and and like having to convince others that it's better out there, right, and like, yeah, like I don't want to put myself in that kind of do you understand why he made the allegory of the cave in the first place, why the allegory of the cave exists?
Speaker 2:this is this is his topic. Yeah, this is extremely important. This is what you're trying to do. You're trying to go into that cave oh no, I know that he's kicking and screaming yeah, leave me the fuck alone yeah, no, I know that okay yeah, the ethical implication is whether or not that's the right thing to do, and I think it is Up until it's not being asked anymore. He came to us, right? He's asking, he wants to be here.
Speaker 2:Up until he doesn't fuck out of here, Go live your own world, you know your own perception. Yeah, so I don't know you just have a hard time with timing. I think a little bit, Maybe, Maybe. I think when you went through the process and you know how difficult it is, you wish for other people to get it quicker, which is also it's a violation against them to wish for them to get it quicker.
Speaker 2:You're not respecting the stuff that needs to be learned on that journey. Like you said, you would never take the shortcut pill right.
Speaker 4:No.
Speaker 2:You never take the shortcut pill, right? No, no, you would never give it why because you respect the process and what needs to, how important it is. The person will never learn what needs to be learned if they just shortcut it. Yeah, it's just impossible. Yeah, the reason you reach this thing is because you go through the journey. It's not because you got there. Yeah, it's the importance of experiencing those things those downs, those ups. Keep getting back up, keep fighting, whatever it is you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I also feel that that, like it isn't the request for help, like isn't that the request for a shortcut.
Speaker 2:It's an illusion.
Speaker 1:But, but. But I'm saying that, like the people that don't actually ever go to the process of asking for help, they go through the long way, they have to yeah, because that's the long way they have to. Yeah. Because, that's the only way.
Speaker 2:That's the only way, yeah.
Speaker 1:But the request for help to begin with is the desire to.
Speaker 2:Maybe process, maybe to figure something out, but then that desire gets tested by truth.
Speaker 4:Yeah, to see if you're really about, about that life. Yeah about that life. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because a lot of times people don't really know what they're talking about, like you said, or what they're requesting for. Help is a very disguising thing, this guy's thing.
Speaker 1:A complaint is help. Yeah, because again the request for help typically happens in a desperate state.
Speaker 2:Also, the help is like yo, I want to get skinny. My assumption is like oh, this guy wants to get healthy, wait, no, want to get skinny, yeah, uh-huh. My assumption like oh, this guy wants to get healthy, yeah, wait, yeah, no, no chance he doesn't. Why would I? Again, it's not asking enough questions to say what do you actually want? You want to be happy? Well, what does happy look like for you? Oh, millionaire, oh no, I can't help you with that. You know it's again, if we don't ask those questions, find out what they're using, what it's the same stuff. We talked, talked about this. We talk about certain words and we understand what they mean, but other people, they might understand those words and might not use those words the same way you use them.
Speaker 2:And that is why I told you the most important thing for you is to keep reminding an individual that your intentions are good. Why? Through what? Through definitions? To explain to you that what I say by this means this Therefore, I'm on your team. You keep reminding them to cure them of their amnesia and their Alzheimer's because they're losing their fucking minds. Look at him, at what you look at a fucking box.
Speaker 1:Don't look for too long, you look at a fucking refrigerator bro, Boom motherfucker, I just realized Look that way, he formed the flip. Look at the flip. Is there, do you?
Speaker 3:see it in the forehead. It's not there, man.
Speaker 1:Don't touch your hair Do it.
Speaker 4:Don't touch your hair. No, turn the board that way, turn the board that way.
Speaker 1:You see the flip. He's dead Good.
Speaker 2:He reincarnated in you. That's pretty bad.
Speaker 4:Huh, that's pretty bad why.
Speaker 2:Look, no, what do you mean? He's in good hands. No, no. And Nate was also a little fat boy too, when he was young.
Speaker 4:And then he has a beefcake?
Speaker 2:Yes, Bob, like this guy wants to be. Yo, that's crazy man.
Speaker 3:Boom, motherfucker Wow.
Speaker 2:Yo, can you explain this phenomenon or no? I cannot alert.
Speaker 3:Mike, explain this phenomenon. You're seeing shit. Nah, bro. No, we, all three of us see the same shit.
Speaker 2:It's gotta be well, it's multiple phenomenons, it's all the same people. Okay, no, but not this close, mike, it's all the same people.
Speaker 3:Okay, no, but not this close, mike. And it's also reincarnation, bro.
Speaker 2:It's a demon in me. I didn't know you could reincarnate, like in the same lifetime, like I thought, like you know, maybe when that guy dies the new guy reappears. So I guess they're like running together.
Speaker 3:Okay, the secret's out. Phillip died, but he's possessing my body. Okay, nate, you mean Whatever, nate? Nate died but, his ghostly spirit decided it was going to use my body as its host. Do you understand?
Speaker 2:what we're going through or no? No, okay, I'm glad you're being honest with that.
Speaker 3:I never met this Nate guy, so I can't have an opinion, because you are Nate, yeah.
Speaker 2:You might as well met them, Like you did meet him.
Speaker 4:How much did you change?
Speaker 2:your name to Nate, I got $100 right now.
Speaker 3:That ain't shit I have $1,000 right now. That ain't shit. $2,000. That ain't shit.
Speaker 2:Permanently. $5,000 right now. Permanently, what do you mean permanently? Nate Schuster, you know what? Nate Simbler five grand Nate Simbler. Schuster.
Speaker 4:No, that's two names. No, that's two names. You can finally get rid of that I got five grand on it right now.
Speaker 2:That's two names Nate, simbler, schuster. Then you have Schuster dude. Yo, I'm about to remove it. I got 10 seconds here. I'll remove Schuster 9,000. Yo throw a G on it. I'll throw a G in.
Speaker 3:All right, six. I'll change it to Nate Schuster. No, Nate Simbler, I don't know what's his last name Simbler, simbler.
Speaker 2:It's a nice T-S-I-M-B-L-A-R.
Speaker 1:Timbler yeah, t-s, it's like T-Simbler.
Speaker 3:I can't even pronounce that T-Simbler.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, you'll be good, it's nice we have to rename the podcast, though, yo yeah we can't do it.
Speaker 3:We can't do it. Nate's a good. No, no, we can do. That's all man.
Speaker 1:Not on Nate Schuster, no.
Speaker 2:Nate Simbo, nate Simbo, schuster, I'll do a G. Yeah, what about you, crispy?
Speaker 3:I'm the cameraman. He doesn't throw money on anything, John throw a 50 on it.
Speaker 2:man 50? Change his name. Yeah, Government.
Speaker 3:Government official 50. Do you know how much you have now? $6,050. Okay, get yourself a car. Well, I'm getting a car with.
Speaker 2:Totally think about it you're gonna start a new life. You're gonna call your mom like mom going forward. My name is Nate stop lying to me what the fuck?
Speaker 3:why?
Speaker 2:is it Nate? I got some. I reincarnated this guy that died.
Speaker 3:He used to be a funny character she's gonna call the fucking cops and be like yo something's wrong with my son.
Speaker 4:He's fucked up.
Speaker 3:Right now he's on acid he's on drugs, he's fucking overdosing, totally already offered me 5 grand to get this nice back tattoo. He's on drugs. He's fucking overdosing. I mean totally already offered me five grand to get this nice back tattoo here that I'm planning on getting.
Speaker 1:You're going to be mad rich bro Look at that man To get the same back tattoo as that guy.
Speaker 2:The Volkov, I got the picture.
Speaker 4:I was there. It was one of the guys in the last card, sick, yeah, I got the picture.
Speaker 1:I was there. There was one of the guys in the last card, this Finish guy that was like a zombie. Holy shit the full shit the full shit.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:Elder. You got on that, right, I got on that.
Speaker 3:I'll throw on 50. What the hell is wrong with this?
Speaker 2:I got five grand on name change dude. Yeah, I'm quite committed here man.
Speaker 3:What the fuck man? 10,000 in total, huh.
Speaker 1:How about 10,000 all in for the name change and the back tits at the same time? Nah, bro, you can't go change this shit now. Thousand all in for the fame change and the back tattoo at the same time? Nah, bro, you can't go change this shit now.
Speaker 2:Huh, what do you mean? It's a double trouble thing. Ten grand, ten grand dude.
Speaker 1:You get yourself that.
Speaker 2:Firebird that you always wanted Firebird.
Speaker 1:You get that sex change.
Speaker 3:I love it.
Speaker 2:Oh, you could always get your sex change. Finally Fuck you. We always want it.
Speaker 3:I might just have to stick with the back tattoo because that's basically disrespecting my dead relatives, changing my name.
Speaker 2:What the?
Speaker 1:fuck are you talking about? You're changing the subject.
Speaker 3:Harris is named after my mom's uncle, so what?
Speaker 2:You have a cross tattoo on your shoulder and you're a junior. You're disrespecting your dead relatives. Can you stop?
Speaker 3:lying, please. Yes, he can't stop lying. Harris is named after my mom's uncle, so technically my great uncle.
Speaker 2:Who gives a fuck? Who gives a fuck? You can find a Nate, a Jew Nate, over there somewhere.
Speaker 3:A Jew Nate? Yeah, he might be related to you Fuck man.
Speaker 4:I told you he has that laugh.
Speaker 3:I'm going to keep calling him until he picks up. I'll going to keep calling him until he picks up. I'll have to think about this man.
Speaker 2:Think about it man, yeah, 6gs for the name change You're in 6Gs and 50?
Speaker 3:6Gs and another 5,000. 6gs and 5,000 and 50. Another 5,000 for a back-to-back.
Speaker 2:Official name, change man, passport and everything. Man, another 5,000.
Speaker 3:And you're going to get your passport and then you can have your sex, change what we got to go before George and be like yo. I need to change my name.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you have to do it. Social security, everything. Social security, everything.
Speaker 2:Driver's license Look you did a quarter as Harris. Now you do another state as Nate. Besides, you're only going to live to like 32. So Fuck you, man.
Speaker 3:I'll break the fucking curse.
Speaker 2:The Harris, 50 years not living past 50 47, you said yeah, 49 49.
Speaker 3:That's it. Okay, you gotta break the record. You gotta hit 50, alright, and then you die at 50. It's just like, yeah, you made it to 50, but three months later you're dead, motherfucker.
Speaker 2:This is unbelievable. What the fuck man. I've seen a lot of things in life. Harris, I'll call.
Speaker 1:Nate man.
Speaker 4:But this one is a fucking conundrum.
Speaker 2:I'm calling Adrian again.
Speaker 3:Please leave your message for, yeah, his phone is either out of service or Remember Adrian Mike.
Speaker 2:Yeah, of course it was a nice guy. He was a cool guy. Your call has been forwarded to an automatic. Yo, can you Google him, bro. What's his name? Nate Timber man.
Speaker 1:That's going to be your new name.
Speaker 3:Where does he live? He lives in Georgia. Oh, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:I found his LinkedIn.
Speaker 3:I found it too Nate Timber Belden Inc.
Speaker 2:Let me see yeah, belden Inc. Yeah, georgia State University. Yeah, prosoft Technologies. When was the last time you posted here? Two years, full-time. Two years he's been here. Regional sales manager, prosoft. Eight months, January 24th. He's alive. January when January 2024. He started, so he's alive.
Speaker 3:That's the same time. He started here. What that's not? That's not man. He started here. What that's not a bad? What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:John, his ex thing says grateful for life growth mindset oh you found that too right. Fail forward with massive action.
Speaker 2:Where'd you find this?
Speaker 1:His Twitter.
Speaker 3:What he's a regional sales manager, pro so.
Speaker 2:Excom you say Send me a link to that. I want to see that.
Speaker 3:So he moved to Georgia.
Speaker 4:Moved to Georgia, mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:Here, it is right here. Obituary 71 years old, damn age Pass no.
Speaker 2:You're right, Hell yeah, All right yo. What are the final thoughts over here? Why don't we start with Harris Harris? What are your final thoughts on accountability and learning and everything else? Give us something, man.
Speaker 3:I have a lot of growing to do I'll admit that and I have a lot of work to do on myself.
Speaker 2:How did you extract that?
Speaker 3:My mind keeps going back to that damn fucking call review and the fucking calls during this whole fucking podcast, okay, during the whole fucking day. Yeah, even getting my fucking haircut. Yeah, I've been beating myself up about it all the fucking day.
Speaker 4:Okay, that's fair so.
Speaker 2:Alright, fucking day. Okay, that's fair. Alright, accountability Mike. I don't have anything. I think we said a lot Sound good, john. John, can you help us with accountability man? What can we do, man? Can we help the kids out there? Not him, we can't help him Fuck man.
Speaker 3:What can we do, man? Can we help the?
Speaker 2:kids out there, not him. We can't help him. Fuck you dude. Everyone but him, everyone but him.
Speaker 3:Yes, what can you say for everyone? He can't be helped either. Like you're blaming me again. No, I'm not blaming you, don't worry.
Speaker 2:You guys are on the same boat, don't worry, I know we are totally.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm still like interested in like a way to explore the topic as to like why are people not accountable? Like why is that like a trained, like I don't know like skill or maybe like an ideal right, or like taking responsibility for things, or like the need to deflect or like the need to blame other forces or things like um, like, I'm still interested in like discussing that and then maybe, um, I don't know if there's like advice or solutions to provide for others as to like um, how do you go about chain changing that? If, for example, you're one that does this, you know like that. That that was my main purpose of bringing up like the topic is because, like one, I always feel that, like when, when you're engaging with a person who is not accountable in that particular scenario, like there's no opportunity in that moment for growth, right, um, there's only opportunity for other things to happen, like I don't know anger, or like frustration, or whatever. It is right because, like, like, like you'll hear, for example, like harry say like I'm frustrated, you know, or like I'm pissed, or like this and that, right, um, but that doesn't necessarily that like that comes with like accountability in like a way where it's like if you're actually accountable, you can give yourself um, you can put yourself in a position to uh, learn right, um, so, like.
Speaker 1:That's why I think that, like, the importance of accountability is huge, because you can put yourself in a position to learn whatever it is, you can put yourself in a position to do better at whatever it is you're trying to improve on, and you can learn um more and like how you you can just develop, like, put yourself in a position to develop a better understanding of the world and why things are um, if you're accountable, and stuff like that. And then like, um the main thing, I found jordan peterson saying that um, why he's fascinated, for example, with the concept of, like, accountability, responsibility. He says that he said that he's convinced that that um, that um the journey of life only starts when you're accountable and then he'll so, so. So he said that. And then he also said that he thinks that um, life's only fun and interesting when you are accountable or responsible okay when, when you're not like it's not fun.
Speaker 2:I think what he's saying maybe, if I'm interpreting correctly which I'm not, by the way, I would explain that is that, which I'm not, by the way I would explain that is that accountability probably is, like you understand, that you can control your own reality. Maybe some way I'm drawing that conclusion where if you're accountable for everything that happens to you in your life, that means you know that whatever you created, you created this, you know. So I do think that yeah.
Speaker 1:I think that so I do think that, yeah, I just yeah. Yeah, I think that. But I also think that, like when, once you grow into that kind of mindset like you um, I think that you can. You almost to a certain sense not even be able to explain it why, but you maybe have this like soulful feeling that, like you, you could potentially be in control of your reality. And that kind of feeling to me is a great feeling, even though you might not know how, on all things, you start to get the hunch that maybe I can control this kind of stuff or maybe I can decide how this all ends up.
Speaker 2:So almost you're out of control of your own destiny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, versus prior to that, you don't.
Speaker 4:This is the world the way it is.
Speaker 2:Because you have an endless blame cycle of everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, Okay, I see how that can be. Yeah, an interesting start of, maybe, your journey or whatever. Yeah, but obviously I think it's a very subjective statement to make because to him, based on his understanding, he sees it for what it is. But if you survey the individuals who has not reached that level of understanding, right, you can say what's the most important thing, and they're going to tell you a wider rate of things, yeah, and that have nothing to do with holding themselves accountable. Yeah, I think we say this all the time in the pod. It's like whatever you think is the most important right now, it's based on the level of development you currently are. That's right. So if you level yourself up, something else becomes like oh, this is the most important, that's right. And you keep going and going and going and going.
Speaker 2:So if that's his level at that moment, I think that's why he puts the value proposition on that so much. Potentially, I don't know, On the fact that he thinks that life starts and begins to be important when you start taking accountability.
Speaker 1:Well, I also think that things become more meaningful in general when there's responsibility and when there's accountability, because it's not like once.
Speaker 4:Yeah, when there's responsibility and when there's accountability.
Speaker 1:Because it's not like once you take accountability, there's not like a blindness element to it and whether you're doing something good.
Speaker 2:You're taking power into your own hands. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:Whether it's something good or bad, yeah, right. If it's something bad and you're responsible or like accountable for it, I think that you can put yourself in a position, or accountable for it. I think that you can put yourself in a position where you figure out a way to improve something or you help, allow yourself to employ someone else that can help you with that. Or, if it's the opposite, if you're doing something really good, I think that you can actually feel the goodness that that kind of action inherently provides. Yeah, or the goodness could just kind of action inherently like provides, yeah, you know, um, or the goodness could just be also blind, like to where you're not feeling the rewards of doing the good, or or like being good, for example, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah Down.
Speaker 4:Stomach.
Speaker 2:Stomach Wow we're almost done, harris. One more person, one more hour. Okay, harris, I'm going to speak for one hour straight my final thoughts are on accountability is. I think that the dilemma that you're having, at the end of the day, is coming from individuals that develop a level of pride which was developed in order to protect themselves from very specific things. Why was it developed? It's a very good question.
Speaker 1:Are you talking about me having the pride? No, no, no. The world, the world, the world Right. You're saying why individuals are having this issue. It's a very good question. Are you talking about me having the pride?
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, from admitting to be wrong, right, and all this other stuff. So, because of the fact that they don't have the ability or grace, internal grace, to admit that they're wrong, they protect themselves from something, and a lot of the times I think it's because maybe they've been shamed, maybe they've been misguided, right, and it was passed on and passed on, and passed on, and passed on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see what you brought out there, right, that also like Like I definitely felt it very strongly where it's like the difference between me and you in the way that I approach, like the way that I approach that these kinds of situations, is why I have anxiety to begin with how'd you connect that? I don't know, that's just how it felt, you know really, yeah, well, well, I don't understand it.
Speaker 1:No, no, because you didn't explain it like the um, like, um, like what, what? What you were saying before is that you have the, the ability to enjoy, for example, that moment for what it is, yeah, right, but know the overall picture of it. Yeah, and you came to terms with that kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not, and that's why I have anxiety.
Speaker 2:Well, I think it's anxiety maybe, but is it because you're not seeing things for what they are? Yeah, yeah and that? But is it because you're not seeing things for what they are? Yeah, yeah and that? Yeah, I mean that anxiety is rooted in that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a cognitive dissonance 100%.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Which is that will?
Speaker 2:cause anxiety. Well, yeah, I mean, we talked about this. Yeah, in the mental health thing, we talked about how these fucking things uproot themselves, I mean become, prove themselves, I mean become into reality. So what I'm saying is that pride is a defense mechanism which stops us from bowing our head and being humble and having humility in order to come and say you know what? I fucked up, I'm wrong about this. So what you do is what you do, what Harris does.
Speaker 2:It's hard to come to Tully. You know why? Because when he went to his mom that one time, you know what she said You're a fucking idiot. Why did you do this? He was scolded. He can't come to Tully. Even though Tully has a different reaction. He's like yo, come to me, I love this, I want this, I want to hear that so I can then guide you properly. I want to raise you as a different child. He never got that. He got the scolding. So he learned ways to maneuver, to lie, to cheat, to become prideful and not take accountability to the things that he was wrong about. See who became a gay snake.
Speaker 1:Yo harrissthegaysnake. Fuck you man Yo harristenegaysnakecom.
Speaker 2:That's it, fuck you.
Speaker 1:Who won? Is that the new name now? Yeah, it is. No, it's not, that's it.
Speaker 2:I'm buying that. No, it's not harristenegaysnakecom you get 25%.
Speaker 3:You listen to me, fuck you.
Speaker 2:You said, harris is in good hands. It's already stated, it's already seen that one is now.
Speaker 3:Harris the gig snake.
Speaker 2:So I think it's a survival thing and I think that if you understand this part about the survival, you may be able to extend a little bit more compassion and understanding and patience towards those types of things. That individual is not really doing that on purpose about the survival, you may be able to extend a little bit more compassion, understanding and patience towards those types of things. That individual is not really doing that on purpose. Yeah, but he is trying and what he's trying is what he said look, I think I did something wrong. I was under the impression that I did everything right. Yeah, what did I do wrong? Let me go back to my phone call. He went back to the phone call. He dug that fucking button from the depths of hell that he thought he wasn't going to find and he did it. Yeah, he scolded himself, because he can't scold himself in front of us.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It hurts, yeah, it hurts too much. That's why, when he sits in front of us, he's like yo it hurts too much, guys, it too much. And we're like yo, no, no, no. This is a good thing, bro. We're helping you out here, we're trying to help him. He's not used to this kind of treatment. Every time he came to, he's already suffering the pain of what his mom used to do to him, before it's happening.
Speaker 4:That is correct.
Speaker 2:That is textbook PTSD. So what are we doing? We're doing preventative care on what His Alzheimer's, his amnesia and his memory loss that is happening every single day. We're trying to remind them that Harris is actually in a gay snake.
Speaker 4:Good In a gay snake, that's gay.
Speaker 3:Hey man, we're in a serious conversation.
Speaker 2:Yo come on man, yo take this shit seriously. What Yo come on man, yo take it seriously.
Speaker 1:What's the matter with you man? I just pictured him operating the telescope. You know when they have those.
Speaker 3:You know what I realized. Yeah, microphone, microphone Go in the microphone we'll get here. You've never opened up seriously on this fucking podcast.
Speaker 2:Listen, I'm the comedian here. Yeah, he's the comedian on the podcast. It's going to take him a little bit of time to open up. This is perfectly fine, and if he never opens up, that's okay. Maybe he opens up next life. Like you know how you reincarnated Nate. He might be reincarnated into Mike. You got to open up that heart man.
Speaker 3:You got to say what's in there, dude.
Speaker 1:Don't say opening Harrison's house. Would you like to?
Speaker 2:smell my fart no.
Speaker 4:I have one coming. I have one coming right now.
Speaker 2:I gotta get out of here, no you sure, just here. Hold on one second Come here, that'll go there. Come here, fuck you, take it, give it to him Fuck you.
Speaker 3:What is wrong with you, you and Tully bro?
Speaker 2:Tully, bro. Tully did two fucking farts over there.
Speaker 3:And they passed it, you fucking did this.
Speaker 2:Do you like smelling a forest?
Speaker 3:Harris no, why not?
Speaker 1:Wait. He hasn't done that in that kind of way in a long time. But John Eldar had this sick. I'm not sure if you can still do it, eldar, you haven't done it in a while. Yeah, he had this sick ability. He could fart into his hand and throw it in anyone's mouth that he wants to. Actually, he could be sitting here right and if he wanted to make that fart go into Mike's mouth he could do it 10 feet away Easy. Like this distance from here to anybody here.
Speaker 2:I mean I could do it if I wanted to, but it hasn't been funny, so yeah, Maybe I'll bring it back If he'd been able to take it into a ball like a snowball and toss it into anyone that he wants.
Speaker 1:Harris, don't get excited.
Speaker 2:Fuck you, hey Nate.
Speaker 1:He said Harris, don't get excited.
Speaker 2:Fuck you. Don't get excited, harris, that's gay. So what I'm saying is that I think that the pride has a lot to do with what you want to accomplish or solve. When it comes to taking accountability, yeah, and the pride came from the fact that, for a long time, we developed, as kids, a defense mechanism in order to prove that we're not wrong.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but again, it's so fucking crazy that that defense mechanism is what prevents you from learning to begin with For the rest of like your life.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, it doesn't you know, because you will learn and life will teach you.
Speaker 1:No, but it prevents you from consciously learning. Fine, okay.
Speaker 2:Is there a reason why you have your thumb in your mouth?
Speaker 3:I'm biting my nails.
Speaker 1:You've been biting your nails for the last like two hours alright, so those are my final thoughts.
Speaker 2:You guys have any questions? Probably not. Nah, you're right probably not cool.
Speaker 3:Got any sarcastic things to say asshole.
Speaker 2:I'm done till next week. He's done till next week, alright, john, thank you so much for coming.
Speaker 4:Thank, you for much for coming. Thank you, I miss you every time. Yeah, I hope you come next.
Speaker 2:I know, and if you don't, we don't give a fuck, right?
Speaker 1:Right Harris. He's always blowing up my phone.
Speaker 3:No, bro, thanks for watching, thank you.