Dennis Rox
The 'Dennis Rox' podcast is a deep dive into the intricacies of personal development, self-growth, and the obstacles one may face on the way. Hosted by Eldar with regular guests Mike, Anatoliy, Phillip and Katherine, and Tommy the conversations explore themes such as anxiety, self-sabotage, the pursuit of happiness beyond materialism, and the complexities of love and relationships. Other topics include the impact of societal values on personal fulfillment, humility, and the often misconceived notions of success and wealth.
Through personal stories, philosophical debates, and thoughtful discussions, they explore various aspects of challenging one self and achieving personal growth. The conversation often shifts from individual experiences to broader societal critiques and is characterized by a focus on depth and seeking genuine understanding over superficial conclusions.
Dennis Rox
137. Mastering the Art of Communication: Humor, Truth, and Relationship Dynamics
Imagine navigating the intricate dance of communication and relationships with the finesse of a seasoned tango dancer. We promise you’ll walk away with insights on adapting your communication style to suit any situation, from family gatherings to high-stakes sales pitches. Join us as we unravel the complexities of human interactions, with stories that resonate from the dinner table to the boardroom.
Ever wondered why some truths are harder to tell than others? We tackle the trials of truth-telling and the friction it can cause, especially when it’s the unsought kind. Through humorous anecdotes about gift-giving mishaps and the hilarity of family dynamics, we explore how intentions and perceptions shape our relationships, sometimes making allies out of adversaries (and vice versa).
Prepare for a lively exchange that ventures into the realms of love, jealousy, and the hilarious chaos of gift-giving gone wrong. With guests sharing their quirkiest experiences, from betting on podcast quotes to debating the nature of a "hall pass," this episode shines a light on the humorous and often absurd nature of human connection. Whether you’re seeking wisdom or just a good laugh, there’s something here to tickle your fancy and perhaps change the way you see your own relationships.
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On this week's episode. Most people in your position are not privy to this conversation, so this might feel a little weird. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2:If you feel like in the middle of conversation would you want to walk out, we're completely fine with it. Why would I walk out, Say, if this starts hurting your brain a little bit? Because it might. We can't actually communicate with the world in such a way, but we can a lot of times not all the time, a lot of times exactly the response that we want out of the world, and that's what's going to make us happy.
Speaker 1:If you continued something right, yeah, and you got really good at it. The better you get at it and the less you're able to communicate, the more it eats at you inside Wow.
Speaker 4:What the fuck are you talking?
Speaker 2:about All right guys. Yet another week.
Speaker 4:Yet another very interesting topic To Dennis Rocks. Yet another week, yet another very interesting topic To Dennis Rocks.
Speaker 2:Yes, harris. Disclaimer, harris, this one might be a little bit complicated. So if you decide to leave mid-podcast, what the hell is that supposed to mean? Feel free. What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Speaker 4:I'm just joking. You just want another walkout, man. No, no, no, all right, you know. I think, you got this. You know everyone loves a good scrap. A good Tommy walkout yeah.
Speaker 2:This is a very interesting topic, like they all are Very important. It's on communication Totally has a bone to pick with communication. Tully has a bone to pick with communication. So there's a question around it. Harris, you're in luck that maybe you're going to hear Tully speak a little bit about what's getting him upset, making him feel bad or frustrating him. Maybe he'll open up a little bit. So you're in for a treat. Tully hasn't done open up a little bit.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, so you went for a treat. Open that heart up a little bit Totally. Hasn't done that in a long time.
Speaker 2:Open up that little black heart man, but I think he's been wrestling with this tiger for a while, so let's hear it Tully Communication.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you have to like, you know, you have to introduce, you have to like ask questions.
Speaker 4:He needs to get the thing started.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, to get this going, I would have to say this, right? Obviously, different communication styles yield different results, right? Some people communicate via anger right, emotion, logic, reason Sarcasm, sarcasm.
Speaker 4:Fuck you. You know Well, we all know my fuck you's genuine man.
Speaker 2:Nonetheless, there are a style of communication, yeah, right, but in general, I think that, uh, when we communicate, I would have to say that why do we communicate in the first place? Is that we're trying to be either understood, get our point across, get a specific result from communicating, get some kind of reaction, response maybe get on the same page with people? We're trying to get something and obviously, what we're trying to get out of that, what we're trying to communicate, is what we want. However, a lot of times when we communicate, we don't get what we want out of our communication, right? People don't understand us, people misunderstand us, right? It results in frustration for us, for the person, and then you don't, you don't know where you stand, you're not on the same page and you're left being frustrated because you weren't able to communicate properly and get exactly what you wanted.
Speaker 2:I think. To relate it to you, for example, you're in sales now, right, you understand the importance of communication now a little bit more. Yes, right. Communicating with your dad, communicating with your mom, communicating with your brother these are all different communication styles that you have Communicating with clients, communicating with us and a lot of times, for example, in your life, you don't get what you want out of those communications Because you don't know how to properly communicate.
Speaker 2:Oh screw you man, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4:Look, we're trying to say that, or trying to understand totally talks to me let's put it this way like a harvard student.
Speaker 2:I'm no harvard student man yeah, you hear that he's telling you this right now.
Speaker 4:I ain't no harvard student man yeah, these fancy fucking words, man yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I think by asking the question about how to properly communicate, we maybe will go down the path where we can find a communication style that works for us, so we can get a point across, so we can be understood and so we get exactly what we want. I personally believe that through communicating properly, we can get exactly what we want, but there's a whole bunch of stuff that goes into it, obviously. All right, so let's discuss it Totally. What are some questions around it? You know, how do you properly communicate? Why don't we sometimes don't properly communicate? What's holding us back from properly communicating, and what can we do in order to communicate in a more effective way?
Speaker 1:communicating and what can we do in order to communicate in a more effective way? It starts, I think, from understanding that there's not uh like a one, one way or one method to communicate with, like, uh, with everybody. You know that it can like vary, uh, situation by situation and if, like, if you don't have the abilities to meet the person as to where they're at, then you will struggle communicating with them. Okay, yeah, like I mean, if you want to bring it like easy example, work wise. It's like if you talk to, if you talk marketing with a real estate agent versus a VP of marketing at a tech company, yeah, you know they're going to have different backgrounds, different understandings.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and if you use both methods with both people, you're not going to get a good result either way because, like the VP of marketing, he might be like yo, like, this is not important to me. This is very like basic, like you don't understand my needs and stuff like that, or what I want out of this call. Or the marketers are like yo, this is too complex, I don't understand it. Like you know, I need something more basic.
Speaker 2:Today was a perfect example. We went to the building department.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, me and Toli, we need to take out some permits. Yeah, and he pretty much told us you know, you guys are idiots because we came over there. We don't know anything about building. Right, he laughed at you. He pretty much laughed at us, yeah, so there was clearly a communication barrier there between what he knows, what he understands, and what we know and what we understand, and those two styles did not match. We left completely puzzled, confused maybe frustrated.
Speaker 4:I think part of the reason is because I'm sure he's used to working with construction workers and stuff like that. That's right, people know what the hell he's talking about Exactly, but today he met a better friend man.
Speaker 2:This is a very good point.
Speaker 1:But that's also again, if he understood proper communication, he's not going to be talking to a homeowner like he would a construction like a contractor and he wouldn't talk to a contractor like he would talk to a homeowner.
Speaker 4:So he's missing.
Speaker 2:Well, it doesn't matter who's missing, right? Probably both sides are missing a little bit, right? Because he's trying to. We're trying to bridge the gap between that communication and find out what actually to do. And in this case at least, we understand that we're not competent to have this conversation, so maybe we have to hire someone who can. Yeah Right, this is one way of dealing with this kind of stuff. But Harris made a really good point too. He said hey, a lot of times Tully talks to me like I'm a Harvard student, and what are the results?
Speaker 1:Not good.
Speaker 2:Not good, okay, so. Yeah, so one way to probably communicate, like you said, is to understand kind of the person that you're communicating with a little bit better. Right Tully is trying to maybe explain certain concepts to Harris, who's not a Harvard student, who maybe is in first grade.
Speaker 4:Oh, fuck you bro. Just an example. No, I ain't in first grade. What grade are? You in? I don't fucking know. I graduated high school.
Speaker 2:Harris today, me and Tully we were in first grade. You know where At were in first grade. You know where? At the building department, we were in first grade, probably even below, because we didn't understand anything he said he mentioned names, things, items, tools that we don't know. Right, that's first grade. Same thing here Right, you don't know much about sales. You didn't know much about sales. Maybe you knew a little bit. Maybe that's grade one versus Toli who, like you said, speaking sometimes like he's in Harvard, you know he's in college, for example. This is the disparity or the difference. So there's nothing wrong with sometimes humbling yourself in that area and say you know what the truth of the matter is. I am in the first first grade.
Speaker 4:All right, fine, I'm in first grade of sales. There you go. See, it can all be be Harvard, you know, alma mater, whatever the hell you call those people at the top, man, the fuck are you talking about.
Speaker 1:That's what you said yeah, so, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, meeting the person where they're at, or understanding where they're at, because then you're going to try to find the right words, find the right communication style in order to get through the person without having're at or understanding where they're at, because then you're going to try to find the right words, find the right communication style in order to get through the person without having too many frustrations. Now talk about frustrations. What are some frustrating things that you have, toli, when it comes to more complex communication styles, this is where you can excuse yourself and leave if you want.
Speaker 1:Why? Well, like not being understood. Not being understood, not being able to get through to somebody, not being able to, like, deliver proper information, yeah, like, I guess those things.
Speaker 2:Okay, specifically, you always have the conflict of like look, eldar, I have the right intentions, I have good intentions. You know my intentions is to help the person grow, help the person in general Right. But sometimes I come across where they don't understand me or they don't appreciate the help, or they don't act how I think that they should be acting based on what I'm giving them. Right, yeah, so that brings you frustration? Yeah, right. And the frustration comes from almost feeling like you being, in that moment, disrespected.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay. So what is your question around that, or what do you think? Did you solve the situation already?
Speaker 1:Well, no, I mean I didn't fully, I guess, solve it, but now I'm understanding more of the importance of meeting the person, of where they're at.
Speaker 2:How would you meet them where they're at?
Speaker 1:Well, I guess, first you have to leverage patience. What?
Speaker 2:does that?
Speaker 1:mean like, uh, like you have to have patience towards the process. That you're you're, you're in right, that you're like participating in what does leveraging patience look like? Um? What does leveraging patience look look like? What does leveraging patience look like?
Speaker 2:Because, me and Mike actually had an interesting conversation about this, right? If you're seeing things for what they are and I'm going to give you an alley-oop here If you're seeing things for what they are, right, you're saying that you know what he's in grade one and in order for him to graduate, he has to go through grade 10, right 11, 12, or whatever right.
Speaker 2:He's saying that you know what. He's in grade one and in order for him to graduate he has to go through grade 10. Right, 11, 12 or whatever Right he's in grade one. If it's going to take, let's just say grade 12 is going to take 12 years. Let's just say each grade is one year, right? Within those 12 years, you have no type of frustrations. You don't have a horse in a race. You understand that the process is the process and it's going to take 12 years. If you understand this aspect, where does patience come in, and does it actually come in or does it have to come in? If you're seeing things for what they are, well, that's what I'm saying though it's like you use patience to map that out.
Speaker 2:Like the mapping of that out.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure, and then you don't have to. No.
Speaker 5:I know what you're saying, but the way you're saying it I'm not sure if it's like very understandable. I understand maybe what you're saying and my thing is like, no, I don't understand what he's saying at all. I think, okay, well, I think I understand what he's saying, but I'm not sure if he's meaning it's in that specific way.
Speaker 2:Um, I can give. I want to know how he wants to leverage patience in those 12 years.
Speaker 1:You're saying that patience is not required if you see things for what they are. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, yeah, I'm saying that like um. To do that, you have to outline that kind of plan, and I think that you have to go back, and that's what I mean by like, uh, like, uh, like. Like. You have to calm down, you know, relax, go like, go back, make a plan, right, no, but I think, and then you don't have to leverage.
Speaker 5:I think you I think you're skipping a step, I think a lot of. I think, in my opinion is, before you can be patient or any kind of make any plan or anything, you need to actually observe what's happening, and not only observe, but you need to observe it non impartially, right? Like a lot of times I use the basketball example. Right, we play basketball with a lot of different people and a lot of people different people frustrate us in the way they play, the way they behave, the way they argue and shit like that. Right, but if we actually pay attention to these people, instead of initially getting upset or frustrated, we would see these people are behaving the perfect way they're supposed to and we never actually paid attention for long enough to observe their behaviors. Right?
Speaker 5:And a lot of times we don't give the chance to pay attention or react. I mean, obviously, in sport it's very easy to react because it's like adrenaline, competition, all these things are involved, so it's hard to pay attention. But in a slower environment, you have an opportunity to watch the way the person carries themselves and the way they want to communicate, and I think that is to me is the patience or whatever word you want to use, but I think that is to me, is the patience or you know whatever word you want to use, but observing the person where they actually are, before, like then doing any other steps, yeah, but Mike.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure if it's a good example, because, sure, sports can be fast-paced and stuff like that, but I think life can be fast-paced as well and you can have a horse and a race in life as well, especially when you are buzzing and you know when you're buzzing right, when you're excited about stuff and you want to get shit done, and stuff like that. A lot of times it almost becomes a competitive thing where you're also not seeing things for what they are because you have an agenda, you have a horse in the race for a very specific outcome. So what happens is you cloud the judgment of what's actually going on because you have an agenda, sure, right. So I think the attachments to the agenda might be the answer to the key of what is it that you're trying to accomplish?
Speaker 2:So letting go of that agenda, letting go of that attachment, will allow you for what he's saying, that collect yourself, sit down, re-evaluate and then come up with the proper plan to see things for what he's saying, that collect yourself, sit down, reevaluate and then come up with the proper plan to see things for what they are.
Speaker 5:But how can you make a plan without observing the person?
Speaker 2:Well, nonetheless, I think everything's going to point to you need to slow down For sure. Slow down, right, yeah, and really like evaluate what's actually going on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like that to me, is part of like. The calming down is to like first you have to take a step back, or multiple steps back, evaluate the situation and then you come up with a plan as to like what now makes sense, after you are able to see things for what they are, and then if you are to do that, then you don't have to leverage patience like in that you know yeah. I agree with that.
Speaker 5:You don't have to leverage patience Like in that you know. Yeah, I agree with that by the way it was being said.
Speaker 2:You opened the conversation saying that you're not in Harvard. We're actually trying to solve this problem Because, obviously, do you know that Tully has good intentions? Absolutely Okay, very good. Do you sometimes feel like he's the enemy? Honestly, yes, no I would.
Speaker 1:Do you sometimes feel like he's?
Speaker 2:the enemy? Honestly yes.
Speaker 1:No, I would like for you to lie Sometimes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so there you go.
Speaker 4:Not all the time. Harris, harris, harris, harris.
Speaker 2:Harris, don't defend yourself. You don't have to defend yourself. You're not upsetting him, me or anybody else. We are aware of this phenomenon and we're trying to figure out the key to this thing where we don't have to have that. Yeah, this is what totally is working on to find out how to find the key to you, to your communication style, so you don't feel like you in harvard with totally but but for but.
Speaker 1:But. Uh, as a warning, most people in your position are not privy to this conversation, so this might feel a little weird.
Speaker 4:What are you talking about.
Speaker 1:What position? Right you know what I'm saying, elder, I do. What position you have to explain?
Speaker 4:He's talking in Harvard again.
Speaker 2:Yeah he's doing the Harvard thing, that's why I told you that if you feel like in the middle of a conversation would you want to walk out, we're completely fine with this. Why would I walk out? So, if this starts hurting your brain a little bit, because it might, you already hurt my brain today Early on Good. So we prepared you for this conversation Very good.
Speaker 4:I mean, Eldar's always been the mediator, fucking dumb and down and shit.
Speaker 2:So he knows this? Yes, yeah. So do you understand that we are aware of the situation, that, even though right now, when I asked you the question, I say, hey, do you know that Toli's intentions towards teaching you is good.
Speaker 4:You say absolutely. I wouldn't be here.
Speaker 2:If it wasn't Good, very good, and I think that as long as you remember that, as long as you keep seeing things for what it is right, you're going to stick around Right the time when you finally tip over one way or the other, that's when we're actually going to see a real change. Either you start learning forever or you walk out. You know what I mean that's. But we also aware that sometimes you perceive totally as an enemy, and that's perfectly fine, right? That's why I think, totally poses questions to find out how does he not be perceived as an enemy, but more so an individual who's here as a resource and tries to help because his intentions is that?
Speaker 2:However, just because you have an intention to help does not mean that his type of help will be perceived or received as help. Does that make sense? Yeah, it can sometimes feel like he's the enemy. Yeah, trust me, we understand this. Okay, you should be happy in jumping up and down right now to understand that totally. He's trying to figure it out, the key to this. If he does, you're not just gonna have me as a mediator. You might have totally as a mediator as well yeah, because those call reviews.
Speaker 2:You get fucking confused no, the call reviews, you understand yeah to the point.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but some of the stuff, that's uh, yes, and that's like today.
Speaker 2:There was a good example where I slowed him down a little bit and I told him I totally you know what I mean. He, harris, right now is actually reacting or has a feeling about what he's like. You know, you said it in the beginning like oh, this shit's fucked and like this is terrible, like you still processing that stuff yeah, immediately when you said his fucking name, I knew who the fuck it was.
Speaker 2:Did you notice that in the moment that he was not perceiving or receiving any type of information that you were giving him?
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, Well, the call reviews happened the same way. It's something that's not looked forward to and he's not happy about. And then he's beating himself up, correct?
Speaker 2:But that's what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that do you recognize that in that moment he's not being receptive to your criticism or to your knowledge?
Speaker 1:Oh, I mean, I view the whole call review as a blackout every week.
Speaker 2:Okay, Well, if you did right, then it's almost like it's pointless for now. Yeah Right. It's pointless until you actually make him understand that the core review is actually beneficial to him yeah, he sees the true intentions behind it that were not there to hurt him yeah, but to improve him yeah, right. If he sees that at a core yeah, then he's not going to come into a core review like shaking and being scared.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, yeah. So sometimes, like this is definitely one of the things I was mentioning that I struggle with is again like when do you like?
Speaker 2:for me, it's very difficult to like back off and let somebody fail Right, for example, right Like operating in that kind of communication style is difficult, yeah, but again, I always questioned you as to why do you not feel the importance of a person falling on their face and allowing life to assist you with learning process to be a good thing?
Speaker 5:And I have a question. Maybe I'm wrong here, but are we able to make that assessment that that person is going to fail or whatever that experience is is a fail?
Speaker 2:We can definitely project certain things, yeah, but it's like a sure thing. If you've project certain things, yeah, but it's like it's like a sure thing If you've been paying attention. Yeah, it could be very sure. I'm not saying that there's other variables can come in and just change the whole thing around, but I can. Yeah, 90, 95% I can probably do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it comes down to, like that other topic, we what people are signing up for based on, like their choices and you could see how their life or that situation is going to play out Right, based on your desires, based on your attachments.
Speaker 2:Right, you can know like okay, your attachment is that I can tell you your next five years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and and and here it's not even like trying to predict like a five year period or a 10 year period. You can predict the next few months, can predict the next few months, the next week, the next year, the next two years very easily by seeing what choices an individual makes, what actions they take. Yeah, yeah, I think it's very hard to go against the grain on that with those kind of decisions.
Speaker 2:Why'd you ask that?
Speaker 5:I think maybe that's where the attachment is maybe rooted somehow Attachment to the outcome.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 5:How? No, I don't know. I just felt like there's something there Like your belief that that person is going to fail. It's like you're attaching it and you want to prevent it.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I think that's why and it's like it's a good intention, but it's like I said, it's fighting a natural path to the thing, right? What I'm saying is that my argument is that, look, the truth of the matter is that individual can endure this pain. They need to endure this pain. They need to come to a realization, whatever realization that you need to do, especially if you already built a rapport with them, right, because you go on that journey with them. When they hurt themselves, like yo, I'm here. I knew that you're going to hurt yourself, I knew you're going to spray your ankle, whatever it is, I'm here now, let me help you out, let me put the ice back. Let's do this Going forward, you're not going to misstep the same way, right?
Speaker 2:But I personally think it's super necessary for some of these things to play out the way they do because of the level of the attachment that's there. He sometimes like, hey, bro, like come on, man, I've been through this shit, let's not do this, let's not do this. He wants to do the preventative care stuff by oppressing the individual from learning. Yeah, that kind of way he has a hard time saying okay, cool, let's go. Let's go touch the fire, but let's put your finger in the fire right, like literally, like if you take a baby right and like yo like the baby really wants to the finger, it's gonna get a little burn.
Speaker 5:Well, the response is gonna be regardless, it's gonna be something small.
Speaker 2:It's gonna be very small, right? Yeah, however, that's gonna be a very serious lesson there. For sure that individual, that kid, is gonna be like oh shit, that's a big fire, stay away from it yeah, there's no more conversations.
Speaker 2:If they really curious, if they have an attachment to find out that the fire burns and fire is hot and it hurts, let's fucking test it. What is the problem? What is the problem of leveraging pain right In order to learn a life lesson, a lifelong lesson, right? Or maybe then also develop a level of trust to the individual that is guiding you saying that, hey, remember that fire I talked about. Well, if you cross the street, that car, that's going really fast. If it touches you, that's the same fire. You're going to get knocked down, you're going to die, you're going to hurt. You remember this? Yeah, I do remember this. I'm saying, but a lot of people don't like this.
Speaker 2:A lot of parents don't like this, whoever you're fucking raising dogs fucking. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. This is not good. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I think he's one of those people. He believes in preventative care and not allowing the individual to learn certain things through experience. Experience the reality, yeah, right, to help you guide. I'm for it. The more help I can get from reality, the better, and the faster. The faster we get on the same page, and the first way it starts, I think, at least through my approach, is through gaining trust, right, right, the most important thing I think now, through communication with Tully and Harris, is to gain that trust that Harris comes into the office and always remembers that Tully actually has his best interest at heart, right, even though sometimes Tully looks like the enemy or like the strict dad or the strict mom. You know what I'm saying. That is the bridge that we need to gap up in order for them, for his knowledge to be able to flow without any kind of speed bumps through him and he can be a good student and receiving all that goodness that he can offer. Because, you agree, right, that totally has a lot to offer, or no? Yeah?
Speaker 4:Like I said, he's in the harbor. There's three dads in the office right. Yeah. There's Mike the one. What's up with him? Easy going, man Doesn't really do nothing. Yeah, there's Eldar. How do I's Eldar? Uh-huh, how do I describe Eldar, the hipster-like lesson dad All right Lessons tells you how it is, and then there's totally a little bit more of a hard ass.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it's pretty spot on. I would agree with that. There's definitely a lot more to say on that stuff, but it's definitely spot on Totally. Would like to approve his communication style so he can get a lot more results that he actually wants versus not. You know what I mean and I think that everybody in life, I think, should strive towards this. Yeah, but a lot of times.
Speaker 4:no one ever realizes, you know, realizes what their communication is off.
Speaker 2:Yes, a lot of times right. A lot of times we don't recognize that the way we string our words together, the way we position ourselves actually right, is closely tied to the results that we get back from the external world like.
Speaker 4:my sister is another one I, okay, can't really understand when she tries explaining shit and when someone doesn't understand what she's saying, yeah, she gets frustrated, frustrated, extremely pissed, like yeah I don't know how to say this any clearer yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what brings? My friend Joe has has this problem with his, with his family. A lot of times he has good intentions and obviously Joe's listening. So, joe, what's up? He just shared that he wants to help his dad with some of his health problems. Right, and a lot of times he's drilling the points of like, hey, dad, you should do this, you should do that, you should do this, you should do that To help him prolong his life.
Speaker 4:Oh, like you're doing with me, huh, huh. Like you're doing with me Live past the 50 mark.
Speaker 2:Well, no, that's because you want it, right, I'm teaching you only because that's a different, this is a different case, right, I'm only teaching you because you asked me you want to live past 50. So I'm giving you that advice. In Joe's case, right, his dad didn't necessarily come to him and say, hey, dad. I mean, hey, joe, I actually want you to teach me how to do this in order to prevent somebody's diseases, right? But Joe goes and tries to hammer him, just like totally a little bit right, To say, hey, dad, you know like, don't you want to live past 90 or 80 to see your grandkids grow, and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:He has those types of arguments, even though those types of arguments are logically sound and they make sense, right, but the way he's coming across, it's almost a selfish way of like hey, I want you to stick around, kind of thing, even though his dad might have a completely different idea about life and how he's feeling. Right, maybe his dad is tired of life. Maybe his dad just wants to smoke, relax, drink and have whatever food he wants to have in order to just enjoy the last couple of years, or whatever, of his life, right? So there's this disconnect. A lot of times, we try to communicate certain things because we have our own selfish desires to get a very specific outcome. We don't respect life for what it is, and that is, I think, is what a lot of people are suffering from. Right, there's our desires and then there's life, and a lot of times those things don't match, right, yeah. So how do we solve this, mike?
Speaker 5:Totally Well, if you're saying it's our desires versus life. So then are you saying that Tully's desires he's basically going against?
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I think that Tully's desires for benefiting Harris, for example, are inherently good. Okay, yeah, outside of Harris, okay, so remove Harris. Right now. Tully would like someone to learn, to be better, to progress, to grow, to be empowered, to blossom, to succeed. Okay, remove Harris, remove Philip, remove anyone that came through these doors. Right, inherently good.
Speaker 2:However, the big variable is that Harris has his own things, his own attachments, his own things, his own attachments, his own desires Right, and those attachments and those desires actually have their own timelines. Okay, and those timelines for example, like you know, the car Right, there's a six month timeline right now on writing letters, right. For example, right, they have their own timelines to learn a specific lesson Right, in six months we're going to re-evaluate and say, hey, how did it go? That kind of thing. You know what I mean. So what happens is that there's a clash between his desire's timelines and his desire's timelines and those things don't work. He wants him to be on one schedule and he can't be on that schedule because, inherently, some of the desires that he created, some of the attachments that he created, take a longer time. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So what happens is there's a clash and he's like yo, why is he not getting it? Why is he not seeing my intentions? I'm, I'm bringing all the good stuff. All the good stuff. What the fuck? He's like yo, my man? I'm not in harvard, bro, I'm fucking in. You know, first grade. I need to eat dirt. You know, you trying to feed me.
Speaker 2:You know five star Michelin star restaurants mung beans, exactly, yeah, mung beans. I just eat burgers and fries. Yeah, what is this? Yeah, so that's what happens. And then two people, obviously frustrated. One thinks that he might be the enemy. The other person's like what the fuck? He's an ignorant bastard, what the fuck you know? And then there's a clash.
Speaker 4:Oh, fuck you. Oh, you know what, fuck you guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you see that, I see it. So the way to bridge this gap right is to be on Tully's hand at least, or whoever the fucking the burden of proof is here, right, it's to be on Tully's hand at least, or whoever the fucking the burden of proof is here, right? In this case Tully's, because he wants to find out, not Harris. It's to take the time to actually understand what is happening on this side. What are the desires, what are the things? Right In order to play those things out. Let them run out right. Discuss those things out. Let them run out right. Discuss those things.
Speaker 2:Explain or give your feedback if the person's asking, also teaching when not asked, right. So then that person could finally see the whole thing through and then totally can come in with his knowledge base and say, okay, you exhausted yourself. I'm here now, I can keep you up, this one needs to be done, this one needs to be done, this one needs to be done. And then that individual finally is like oh shit, I can trust this individual. He means well for me, he's here for me, he's supportive, he's understanding, he's not judging me for my mistakes. So who gives a fuck? Right? Unfortunately, he totally judges right now for the mistakes. He doesn't want them to make those mistakes, he doesn't want them to. You know, hurt their finger hurt their fucking mind or whatever it is.
Speaker 2:You know he doesn't want to burn them.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm saying that let's burn his finger as fast as possible, let's give him a car, let's do this, let's all do that so we can get to a place of understanding. Mm-hmm. I think that's the trajectory.
Speaker 1:What do you think? Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah. For a long time at least, I always felt that like if you're saying like the truth to somebody, it doesn't matter where they're at Like that to me is like a good measure of like doing right by them. You know yeah them, you know yeah um. But I'm seeing that like um more and more obviously, that like um, that creates more like a friction and more resistance totally.
Speaker 2:I don't want you to not withhold truth from an individual. I want you to withhold truth from the individual if the truth is not being asked for. Yeah, okay, yes, yeah and I want you to give as much truth as possible. Yeah, when the person comes to you and say, totally, can you tell me please?
Speaker 1:yeah, I want you to know those moments, yeah, but yeah, yeah, so, yeah, one one thing is obviously to work on identifying what those moments actually are.
Speaker 1:Yes, um, versus not, okay, right, but yeah, like.
Speaker 1:To me it's always like I'm gonna say the truth and like you know, yeah, um, and like if you feel I'm wrong, for example, I'm more more than happy to have a conversation right, and I always viewed as like okay, like this is gonna come out good either way, either like I'm wrong and the person is like either doing something right or like maybe I'm gonna learn something that I didn't know, or I'm right and we're just going to validate that, like what I was saying was correct, and then the other person is going to benefit, right, so, like, I almost viewed it as in like that kind of win, win way, but, but, but obviously it's proving out that it's not like um, um, I'm at a crossroads where, in different things in life that not not that I have like, like, like I don't know what, what words to use here, not figure it out or like a good grasp on, or like there there's some things that, um, I feel like I can articulate very well and understand very well, but I cannot very well and understand very well, but I cannot.
Speaker 1:But it's been proven that um I cannot, like I I can't use, like I can't, um give back what I understand or have I've learned on those subjects, for example, just trying to think what's the best way to word this.
Speaker 2:I know what you're talking about like you, you can't cram it and give it when you want it.
Speaker 1:you, yeah, you can't. You can't like explain to somebody, yeah, what you have and how you can help them, for example. So it's almost like like it like a look, like it's like um, you're, you have two people and you're like stuck um, stuck in like a dark room, and you can't tell the person. There's a flashlight in your pocket, even even though there is Right, yeah, and then, like, all you have to do is go in the pocket and it's there, like it's there and you can turn it on and you can see easily.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Right. Yeah, so like, what's happening is that the flashlight's there, it's in the pocket, but you can't communicate that to the person. The person doesn't understand, like they, like you can't. Basically, the person doesn't understand what you're saying At all. Instead, they think that you two are in a dark room and you have to fight each other for the life because only one person is going to make it out alive. Do you understand?
Speaker 2:that you just created a perfect example of the allegory of the cave.
Speaker 4:What the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 2:This is what he talked about that flashlight that you bring in. You know, you try to shine light and you're like what the fuck? And the other person's like what the fuck, let's fucking fight this is that phenomenon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's what happens to me proven on a recurring basis that people don't want to hear what I have to say. They just want to fight me. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know yeah. So it's like it doesn't matter how much I progress could be, I guess, benefiting me selfishly, for example but I don't have the ability to help others in the way that I want when I can, even though I can yeah, you know yeah, can. Even though I can yeah, you know yeah Like, even though I do have a solution. Does that hurt? Um, does it hurt?
Speaker 2:Um, is it frustrating. I'll give you an alley-oop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah it's. I mean it's definitely at times frustrating. Yeah, so then it hurts.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, and then like yeah, I guess for a while I've always seen it as like look, if they don't want to do it and I'm viewed as a bad guy, fine.
Speaker 2:You know yeah.
Speaker 1:But then like, yeah, I can't, yeah, I don't have the ability to give back in any kind of way. And to me, again, like a measure of success is not like understanding something, doing it, succeeding with it. It's doing all that plus being able to give to somebody else to do the same exact thing, but better. Yeah, you know, like that. That, that like like I think is like the level of success that I'm looking for at least. And yeah, like, like is like the level of success that I'm looking for at least. And yeah, like if, for example, if you're saying that like I understand sales, or like at least what we're doing here, or like you know some stuff here, like I'm going to only go so far here, if I can't, like I'm not going to achieve what I want to achieve, if I can't teach it to somebody else, or I can't, like I'm not going to achieve what I want to achieve if I can't teach it to somebody else, or I can't If, you filled your cup, and your cup can't be spilled over to somebody else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, then it just like, and then I'm just like a filled cup just getting, and then I'm in the drain and it's just going down the drain. That's right, you know, and that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 2:Paris, despite the, that's what's going to happen, paris, despite the fact that you don't understand anything that is being said right now yeah, I'm smoking out with your wee-wees. I'm going to help you and dumb it down. Everything that he just said reverts back to the fact that you think that he's helping you out, when he's really helping himself out. No, isn't that what he said, man? No, you're helping him out. Oh, I see, do you know how?
Speaker 4:it's kind of like the boxes, right? Can you explain when I went to his house? Okay, oh shit, and I started fucking.
Speaker 4:He packs his boxes up in the bottom room and I help him take it out and I'm like, yeah, don't forget, I helped you. He goes but a couple of years down the road. You're going to think back on this time and you're going to think down and you're going to be like yo, I didn't help him out, I helped myself out, that's right. I remember his words completely. Yo, that is crazy. And I looked at him like he was fucking crazy. What the fuck are you?
Speaker 2:talking about man. Wow, this whole thing just connected like that. You agree with this? Yeah, that's great, that's fucking that. Yeah, you agree with this? Yeah, that's great, that's fucking awesome.
Speaker 1:Well, he doesn't agree with the concept. But yeah, he doesn't agree with the concept, Do you?
Speaker 4:want me to come back to your house and help you with the boxes man.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 4:Wow, that's sick. Well, that's what you're going to say until the boxes come around, right? Pretty much, yeah, that's sick.
Speaker 2:That's sick. Wow, that was a good one, Harris. Rarely do you come up with something good. What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
Speaker 4:I'm just joking, bro, all my catchphrases, man.
Speaker 2:That's true, man, which one you want. You want the Nate.
Speaker 4:Oh, you know what? Fuck you guys. This fucking shit. Everything's Nate this, nate that, nate that. If Nate's listening to this, fuck you. Damn. That's loud dude.
Speaker 2:That is loud. You told him to fuck off. Yeah, bro, every time, every time if he does listen to the podcast every time we're going to tell him fuck you, nate. You know what I'm saying. That's going to be crazy. He try calling you again Mm-mm. He better not if he doesn't want to hear fuck you again yo, if he ever calls you, you gotta play that thing.
Speaker 4:No.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna invite him again, like I invited him last time. Like yo you know, the Friday night, come by, he's in Georgia ain't he if you guys meet, it's gonna be over. It's gonna be like a the universe is gonna implode.
Speaker 4:It's gonna be like a movie we're just gonna fucking stare at each other.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's gonna be like what the fuck?
Speaker 4:is going on. No one's going to say anything, we're just bugs there. Yes, he's in Georgia, bro. He's not just going to drive up, he's a nut He'll drive up.
Speaker 2:You have to give him a good enough reason. Are we on to something, or what? You're always quiet over there, bro. I think he has a hard time understanding what's happening. Is that true, mike?
Speaker 5:Yes, no, I think you guys are into something I'm just trying to understand or think about. Why did totally take this position, you know, or this approach, right cuz there's a real.
Speaker 2:I mean, this is a long-standing approach this is.
Speaker 5:This is fucking decade plus yeah approachstanding approach.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 5:This is a fucking decade fossil approach. Yeah, yeah, of course, no, that I know.
Speaker 5:I've been chewing on this approach for a very long time with him, yeah, but I'm wondering where is, like, the roots of it? Why is it? Why does he believe that this is his system and for a long time he's believed that this is the system, that who wants to get better results on him, I mean, you know, yeah, so I'm trying to understand and I was thinking maybe somehow it's connected to that failure thing, you know, and his stance on it, because what he's trying to prevent he's looking at it as bad right, as failure.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 5:So he's bypassing all logic because he here already made the assumption this is bad. That's why I asked that question, like are you a hundred percent certain? But I think you, maybe you'll say like hey, I do think it's going to probably fail, yeah, and without going to the next step, which is like, but it's important, I think you still leave a room for error.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you know where he's like yo, it's a fail. So now I have to do whatever I can Correct. I don't allow, like leaving that room for a small room for error is important, I think that is very interesting.
Speaker 2:You think that that's the key to the whole the whole different.
Speaker 5:I think yeah it bypasses all logic because you're in your way, You're like yo, I already know what's going to happen and I have to give the person the key. Versus I keep an open mind, he's closed mind. You always leave you always, I think, for most things as far as I know you always leave a little margin for error. Okay, obviously you're not stupid and you're not like blind. That it's probably going to go that way yeah to go that way.
Speaker 5:Yeah, but you always leave that margin for error and I think that margin for error is maybe to think and also slow down, like it gives you the chance to not be 100% certain and close the case.
Speaker 2:If that fails, close the case. Let me try to understand why I do it and why is this maybe effective? Got room for fucking error. I'm scared of certainty and I think.
Speaker 4:I learned that from Sock. Who the fuck is Sock bro?
Speaker 2:Socrates, the guy that you were reading about, oh, the one I love, bro. Yes, yes, he was also scared of it. He knew some shit, but he said I know that I know nothing.
Speaker 5:Yeah, even though he knew, he knew for sure something. Yes, he did always leave that, and I think that's an important thing.
Speaker 2:I definitely adopted that from him, right I believe it, it's mine. Now you know what I'm saying. It's part of me. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5:I am scared of that. I think that's a big kicker, even though it's a small thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think picked up on it. If you clearly see the difference, then yeah, it's 100% big.
Speaker 5:Yeah, because then you're already making that judgment and you bypass all the logic, you bypass all the ability to see the importance of that that thing is going to play in his life. And what do we do? What's automatic for a lot of us? People Go and help Mojo.
Speaker 3:Let me help you with this. Let me help with this.
Speaker 5:And that is usually complete ham hock behavior.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is you know, I'm sorry, you're right, it is and I think that's where the switch gets turned off the thing is, I love helping people bro well, yeah, I know I love helping people.
Speaker 5:That's like my fucking bread and butter I think it's if I don't, if I can't help people, I think I die, like my job's done here.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying? Yeah, if it threw me on the island, I don't have no fucking reason to live. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, if it threw me on the island, I don't have no fucking reason to live. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, um, but yeah, like, I think that it's almost like because of the fact that I'm trying to help people and if there's, if there's a method that I've developed that is effective and that's part of the key of that, of course, I'm going to follow that as much as possible to ensure that those people who do touch that are able to touch, I am able to help. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5:Harris, I was just speaking. I don't know if you listened to it. I actually spoke. Yeah, I did.
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel like my mom messaged me. Sorry, she's giving you fake news. She wants to be on the pod. No, I sent my mother uh mother's day gift a couple months ago that she never fucking put up. I spent a lot of money on it cheese okay, like for me at least, not for you, uh so well, that's very good, harris, what you just did what for me not for you, no, no, no, you just did a very specific thing.
Speaker 2:That's a very good communication style. You know what you just did. No, you made it relative to yourself and to, like, it's subjective right. That means it's to you. Like you say hey, to me it's a lot, to you it's not. You understand the difference that you know. This is good. Yeah, just keep doing that and that's good.
Speaker 4:It kind of ticked me off off that she didn't put it up. Put up what on Facebook. I paid a lot of money. I sent a picture to a company to have it basically printed on canvas and have it sent to her for Mother's Day. I did two pictures came out to a decent amount of money.
Speaker 2:How much is it? So I know it's to you, I know how much it would hurt you.
Speaker 4:It was like 75 to 90. I took a lot of time doing this. I had to get the perfect pictures to the perfect size. We know how hard math is. No, fuck you bro, it's not size. I needed to lighten the picture up, I needed to download it to the computer and fucking do it perfectly. So when I sent the picture in, they could just print it on and it came out perfect.
Speaker 2:If you go through the whole process in front of me again, I'll give you the $75.
Speaker 1:Would you stop it, man? What do you mean by light? You have to edit the. What do you mean by light Like what I had it originally on my phone.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and when I put it on the canvas originally it looked blurry, okay, like when I uploaded it. Okay. So me and my dad downloaded it onto the computer and we lit it up a little bit.
Speaker 1:So what do you mean by that? Lit it up, they used flashlights and we took the picture no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4:There's certain settings on his computer, right, you can lighten the picture up. You can do certain things to it. Yeah, okay, we did that. That's grainy as fuck, right, it was grainy as fuck from the phone, bro. You think on the phone, right? You download it off of. My sister-in-law posted it. I thought it would be nice for my mom to have a canvas of her grandchildren and a picture of her with her grandchildren for Mother's Day, and I put a lot of work into this.
Speaker 2:But for the past, fucking months it's been sitting in a fucking box. It's like what?
Speaker 4:are you waiting for? Okay, okay, and she goes. I haven't had the time Listen. You know this is ridiculous. I did something nice. I even got it to her before Mother's Day, put a lot of effort into this gift. It's probably one of my best gifts, yeah, and she just let it sit in the box. For what? When was Mother's Day May? I don't know For what Five. Five months.
Speaker 2:Six months. Yeah, see, this is a very good topic, harris, yeah Right, expectations Right, we expected something. Yeah, we had a very specific outcome that we wanted. Oh, yeah Right, we wanted her to post this on.
Speaker 5:Facebook. That's a whole other shenanigan.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did such a good thing. You know what I mean. Like why am I not being praised here? You know what?
Speaker 4:I mean, it's not about praise, it's I felt a little disrespected. Why? Because I did this, my mom, how about I?
Speaker 2:tell you this, based on what I know and I'm going to play devil's advocate here your mom is not in good health. Okay, yes or no? Well, yeah, but this is before.
Speaker 2:Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Listen to me, your mom has a lot on her plate, absolutely, yeah, absolutely right. So if your mom is not in good health and she has a lot on her plate, right, individuals that are not in good health and have a lot on their plate the last thing, the last thing they want to fucking meddle is with some boxes, something that's going to like, you know, like, take away their time, right, like whatever it is that they're doing in the moment. They're fucking preoccupied with bad health because you know they're sick, right, your mom went through surgery. You know, I know this, these details, and I know that she's having to fucking babysit the kids. Like that's a lot of fucking work.
Speaker 4:She hasn't done it in a couple months. I and babysit the kids.
Speaker 2:That's a lot of fucking work. She hasn't done it in a couple months. I'm just saying she has a lot on her plate. So, knowing these things, I almost know that, like yo, look, she's not going to get to this fucking box that you fucking sent. You know what I'm saying. It's almost expected, but for you, because you had so much attachment towards it, like did such a good gesture, where the fuck are you without considering her situation? Yeah, are you being?
Speaker 1:a good son by judging her? No, okay, yeah, also like the judgment of like, what's a good gift? It's like you. You thought that this may have been a good gift, yeah, right, but it proved to me otherwise that this was a terrible gift she might have. No actually she might have been more suited for, uh for, for a bag of weed or something yeah, what is wrong with you?
Speaker 4:But? He's right, he's driving a point, actually it was such a good gift that Brittany John's wife was fucking jealous. She's like yo, what the fuck.
Speaker 2:I gotta get me a couple of weed. Your gift has brought out jealousy, which is not a good feeling, right? No? And someone else, but your family associates somebody being jealous as a good thing.
Speaker 4:Well, it's a good thing, because she's like she has to get herself some of these and my mom goes. You need to send me the link you did because Brittany wants to get it done.
Speaker 2:You know, but Guys do you understand what kind of world you meddling in.
Speaker 4:No, I don't bro. What are you trying to say?
Speaker 2:I'm saying exactly what I'm trying to say. This is what I usually do when I communicate, so you can feel offended or whatever it is because I'm trying to offend you right now, my world's fucked up is what you're saying. Think what you just said, mike.
Speaker 5:Jealousy is a good thing.
Speaker 4:Jealousy in my family is a good thing, because they end up getting the same fucking thing. She ordered a bunch of fucking pictures that. I sent her the link. This is how they associated this Totally.
Speaker 2:How do you know this was a good gift? He well, the reason why this was a good gift is because Brittany actually was very jealous of this thing and was pissed.
Speaker 4:My mom just sent me a text Okay, I want a journey to go ahead. Better late than never. Lol, no, I'm not. Here's the canvas I had the picture printed on.
Speaker 5:What kind of picture is this bro?
Speaker 4:Wait, who is this? That's Tatiana, tommy and Michaela.
Speaker 2:So there is no naked dick pics. What?
Speaker 4:is wrong with you, it's the kids man.
Speaker 5:Oh, this is the tater and gator. Yeah, tater and gator, tater and gator.
Speaker 4:Let me see something here.
Speaker 5:Okay.
Speaker 4:Here, just so you know when I.
Speaker 5:That's a whole nother subject, like the gift giving thing. Yeah, that's like a deep, deep.
Speaker 2:Well, it's a nice picture, it is yeah.
Speaker 4:Don't drop the phone, man, you gotta point it up.
Speaker 5:Don't drop the soap man. Point it up.
Speaker 4:Is there more tequila Harris? Can you ask Elder to pour me some, if you?
Speaker 5:don't mind, Not too much. Elder.
Speaker 4:I got you, Mike.
Speaker 2:Okay, so what are you trying to say?
Speaker 1:with this example, harris, if they end up marrying each other. It'll be a good picture to have too, Like when they're older. That's what.
Speaker 4:I'm saying what is wrong with you, bro.
Speaker 2:There's a lot that's wrong with me, man, we're going to identify it. They're siblings, okay, so what are?
Speaker 4:you saying Harris, I'm saying you know, I was just a little ticked off. Why what?
Speaker 2:do you mean? I'm trying to challenge you to say that you shouldn't be Right. Knowing your mom's situation, I understand her situation.
Speaker 4:Hold on.
Speaker 2:I actually went through the same thing. I'll give you my example, right.
Speaker 4:My sister was over. Oh, I remember you told me about this. I know where this is going.
Speaker 5:Go ahead. Oh, you got $10. He has no idea.
Speaker 4:Is this when your sister came to visit you making a bet, or no? I'll bet you $10.
Speaker 2:All right, good, so now I'm going to say let me say the story and then you'll be honest whether or not this is exactly what this is going.
Speaker 2:My sister was over right, and a lot of times they were raving about Archie and Penny. They really liked the dogs, you know, I mean not them. My niece really liked the dogs, just, oh, you know, whatever, whatever you know, and one night when we were over the parents house, right, what happened was they had some meat that they made for the dogs you know, and my niece was like I'll take an ownership of it.
Speaker 2:Like, hey, I guess that's for me. You know, like I made the meat for the dogs, you know what I mean. And I'm like, oh, that's cool, you know that them yet? Oh no, they weren't there. I came by myself and they're like, where are the dogs? I'm like, oh, they're at home with cat. You know what I mean. Like oh, mila made some meat. You know my mom's playing along with this situation. Like they made meat for the dogs and mila was gonna feed the dogs with this meat send them one, harris.
Speaker 2:Thanks, okay, I already did yeah, so so I was like, oh, this is nice, you know what I mean, like that's cool, you know. And so I'm like, you know, I, I, my mom, gives the meat, that little piece of meat, uh, to to my niece, and my niece gives the, the meat to me. And I'm like I'll make sure to feed the dogs, not tell them that you, what's his name? You made it, you made the meat. You know, I bring the meat to the house and the dogs are ready. I'm like, oh, I, oh, I'm gonna take a little video for her. You know what I mean. I'm going to make a nice little video, you know. So I feed them, I make the little video of the meat feeding me, feeding them the meat.
Speaker 2:And I went as far as not just making the video because I wanted to color it. You know, like, make it nice. I edited the video. It took me a while, probably an hour, you know what I mean, but I enjoyed doing it and I was like I was really into it. I was like, yo, I can't wait for her reaction. I can't, you know, like all this other stuff, I send the video out into the family group chat. I get no responses. Oh wow, till this day I didn't get zero responses. Okay.
Speaker 4:And now I'm't get no responses.
Speaker 2:And I was like how am I supposed to feel about this? I checked myself. I wasn't pissed off, but I kept checking. I was like, wait, I got an attachment to this shit. What the fuck? You know what I'm saying, so I'll show you guys the video.
Speaker 4:Well, my mom thanked me. It was beautiful, all this shit but she didn't mean it she meant it, she felt bad man. No, she didn't bro she was like oh man, I don't have any pictures that's after you fucking badgered her too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you made her feel guilty. What the hell man? I spent all this money. No, I didn't do that.
Speaker 4:She received it. She said it's absolutely wonderful. I cried a little bit. Brittany's a little jealous. She's got to get herself some. Oh, you added music. What the fuck? You really did some work on this, okay. That was a good one.
Speaker 2:Okay, that was Podarov at Miloške.
Speaker 1:That's it, cut it right away.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you had a music going on yours. I did everything Dude Did they see this.
Speaker 1:It sounds like no one saw it, right? Yeah, because you can't not reply to this.
Speaker 4:Did they just ignore it? What is it? I don't know. Did you ever bring it up? No, I moved on.
Speaker 2:You should have showed it to at least your niece. I thought the certain type of way, you know what I mean. But then I was like why am I still a certain type of way Like I did? What?
Speaker 4:I did. You should have at least showed it to your niece the next time you see her.
Speaker 2:Sure, I can, but you know, we'll talk about this Like we'll unpack this a little bit more.
Speaker 4:Who's singing the song? I don't know. I found something cool. I thought you knew it's a fucking sick song, man you like it, yeah, okay, so you guys will watch this too, okay. Reminds me a little bit of that Green Day and the vibes going on.
Speaker 2:Man Throw it to Mike and Harris, Let them watch it together. Harry you ready? Take off your headphones, get closer.
Speaker 5:Reminds me of the Green Day vibe. I'm trying to do something weird again, so close. Okay, that's perfect, I'll use the bathroom. What the hell is it, jose? There's a gift for me.
Speaker 4:Let's see it. Damn, that's cool. Holy shit bro. Holy shit, I don't know, you think she'll remember the song.
Speaker 5:Yeah, she might dude.
Speaker 4:She's game over, come on. No, that's pretty cool. Pam Wins, you remember? Remember that, don't you? Girly? Did you cry?
Speaker 5:No, I don't know, how you fucking did that, bro, but that's pretty cool dude.
Speaker 4:Harris almost cried no, I didn't bro Bro, that was fucking cool. How did you do the fucking the side effects?
Speaker 2:Well look like I said. I think, it's the same type of story that you had. Right, you took your time, right, you put your emotion into it, feelings and stuff like that, and your time and money or whatever, but then you didn't get anything back right, I gotta thank you and all that it was wonderful.
Speaker 4:I cried a little bit. You know what the hell? No, that's what my mom said. She said she cried a little bit. It was probably the best gift I ever did, but it sat in a box for a while.
Speaker 2:For a while, exactly, but in that meantime, right but she did move there a couple months before.
Speaker 2:Okay, so there's reasons why she didn't see it, or whatever, right. But a lot of times, what we will do, right, people that so-called you know have an attachment towards doing a good thing, like me, and you did a good thing, or totally doing a good thing, right we're like, we're misunderstood, because we're like, oh, like, we didn't get the response that we wanted. You know what I mean. Like, and I had to check myself. In that moment, I'm like, wow, why am I feeling this way? Like you know, I thought I did something good and like I'll record it, I'll make sure to, like, you know, go way and beyond to please them, or whatever. And then when I did that, I didn't get no responses. I was like what the fuck? I had to check myself. Like, I said like, who did I do it for? You did it for yourself.
Speaker 5:There you go, because you had a good time, you enjoyed yourself Like.
Speaker 2:I got it, I got it out. So what the fuck are you complaining about? Right, I did it, I did it, and if I didn't get the proper response, that's okay. That's okay, that's perfectly fine, all right. So what? I'm saying Harris a lot of times? Yeah, I'm listening.
Speaker 4:Of course you are. Come on, I'm listening. Yeah, a lot of times our expectations.
Speaker 2:That's what you set out to be right. The expectations don't meet right. The results that the world has for us right. The external world right has its own equation. Your mom's equation was what she was sick, she was busy with the kids and she just moved. Yeah, I don't know what my sisters or my parents' equation was. My mom didn't even respond to it.
Speaker 5:Right and your mom usually responds to everything and my mom usually is like yo, this is so good, oh, she's all lively and all this other stuff, right?
Speaker 2:I don't know what the equation was, but there's definitely an equation. Maybe they just missed it, maybe the message didn't go through, maybe, but it showed that it was seen by everyone. Oh, everybody's seen it, everybody's seen it, everybody's seen it.
Speaker 4:You guys reacted pretty well, maybe you ticked someone off man, I don't know, maybe they thought you were trolling.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, I don't know Whatever, but what I'm saying is that a lot of times, what we do is we put our chips onto the world, right, and we're expecting for the world to react to our chips a very specific way, for us to feel a very specific way.
Speaker 4:I know, because when I asked my mom I was like, hey, did you hang those pictures up? Yet she's like no, and I was disappointed a little bit, you see.
Speaker 2:There you go. This is what I'm talking about, because you want her to function on your time and Tolis want her to function on your time. Yeah, and Toli wants you to function on his time.
Speaker 4:Okay, see how that relates.
Speaker 2:And it keeps going and going and going. You had a good intention, right? Yeah, toli has good intentions, yeah, but it's not synchronizing yet. That's the problem. I had a good intention, too, and it made me feel a certain type of way. I let go of it. I moved on and we will all move on, but what we're trying to figure out is how do we communicate with the external world in such a way where, most of the time, we get exactly what we want versus not, and I think that's a challenge for everybody.
Speaker 2:And if we can crack it and find out. We can be very happy. And I think we can do it. I mean, overall I'm not happy. This was like a kink in my process, because usually I get exactly what I want out of life and in that case I didn't, and that was very funny to me. So any thoughts? Harris, was this dumbed down to you? No, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4:Yes, you compared it to what I was going through. Totally, yes, I understand.
Speaker 5:I want to hear what is Actually. No, I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 4:You want to hear how I understood it?
Speaker 5:No, yes, you do. No, I wasn't saying that. What?
Speaker 4:No, the way I felt is how totally feels.
Speaker 2:Yeah sometimes and the way I felt.
Speaker 5:But the thing is, if you look behind the feelings, what you're actually saying is I did this for you, yeah, and I think selfishly is also important. It's like you're not doing it for a reason. That's selfless. You're doing it ultimately for yourself by putting your own attachment to it.
Speaker 4:And that's like a big violation. You want to make yourself feel good by the response Like oh, this is amazing, Did you?
Speaker 2:guys perceive me as being a good guy for making this video now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, A little bit right, yeah, oh, look at this. Eldar cares for his niece so much. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:You see that yeah. Oh, Harris, emotion you know Bullshit, shit, my pan wins. You know Lick attack?
Speaker 5:Yeah, I think both examples are definitely similar. Yeah, even though I mean, I guess, giving of a gift but also giving I guess I don't know how to phrase what totally is giving.
Speaker 2:A gift. It's a gift, mike. It's also also a gift. Yeah, knowledge, giving away knowledge and stuff like that's also a gift. Yeah, you know what I mean? I think uh. However, like I said, uh, sometimes the gift is not properly timed.
Speaker 1:Look at her paw on his head.
Speaker 4:Oh my god, I just kind of gotta let it go, man.
Speaker 5:Yeah, just let her do her thing, let her get it out yeah, yeah, I think you give the gift, not, yeah, maybe not for the reason to get some kind of praise from somebody else, but because you have a genuine desire and whatever comes after you do that. It doesn't even it's like irrelevant, I guess, right? No, or it doesn't matter as much.
Speaker 2:You know what it's a best case scenario to be able to put out into the world and still receive something, but not from the external world, if that makes sense.
Speaker 5:The act of giving itself already gives back to you. I felt good doing it, bro, well yeah. You're feeling yourself by doing that. Why the fuck did I need a reaction in order to validate what I was feeling? I don you I felt good doing it, bro, yeah, well yeah you're feeling yourself by doing that.
Speaker 2:Why the fuck did I need a reaction in order to validate what I was feeling?
Speaker 5:I don't think yeah, I don't know if you needed a reaction, but you were more surprised that like yeah, but what does?
Speaker 1:it mean the act of giving already. You were saying the act of giving already. What?
Speaker 5:the act of giving is already a gift, so what does that mean? It means by you doing what you did, it filled him. By him doing that, it's already filling him because he had so much fun and enjoyment of doing that. That is, of doing what. What he created, not by what then happens from those actions, but the act of his creation was very.
Speaker 1:So the act of him creating this video and, for example, not showing it to anybody, like if that happened, right, not sending it to anybody Do you think that would work in the same way?
Speaker 5:The way we're wired? Probably not, but maybe in the right way. It's supposed to work like that.
Speaker 2:So in the moment, you feel great, no, no, no, no no, I think that the motivating factor, at least least, was the fact that I wanted her to see it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I don't think the act of giving without like a reciprocated party.
Speaker 1:You can't be like I, like I, like I can never like um. Let's say like um, like I can't just like like I. I wouldn't find enjoyment if I'm teaching sales and I'm talking to a turtle, but I'm just reciting it out loud and saying it out loud, but trying to teach a turtle or maybe an inanimate object, that I don't think would feel good. So the act of giving, Somebody's got to be receiving. Yeah, there has to be a receiving party, and then there has to be an energy like exchange from the receiving party for the act of giving to feel good. Otherwise I don't think it'll feel good. So is it?
Speaker 4:ever genuine. For when you receive that, you know, oh wow, it's wonderful. Is it really wonderful or is it just? You're just saying that? Good question, harris because in the moment you're like, oh, they really like it. But the question deep down is do they actually like it or are they just trying to make you feel well?
Speaker 1:you have to think about what you're giving the gift for. Are you giving the gift because, like, you want them to feel a particular way, or to act a particular way, or to give you something back, for example, like if you're? Certain response like I think, when it comes to giving it feels good, I think only when there's there has to be some kind of exchange for it to feel good. I don't think it just feels good. I think only when there has to be some kind of exchange for it to feel good.
Speaker 2:I don't think it just feels good to give no, no, no, it feels good to maybe create. I was creating and I definitely was feeling good. You know what I mean. Yeah, the reciprocation of it didn't feel good because there was no reciprocation which was expected by me, and I checked myself, I was still like, okay, well, I didn't plan for that. That caught me off guard.
Speaker 5:If he didn't plan for that, it caught him off guard. The actual process of, for example, when it did work out. Which process do you think is more fulfilling? The act of the creation?
Speaker 2:If you were to isolate the two. I'd probably say the act of creation. I agree with you but the act of creation is fueled by what reciprocation?
Speaker 1:yeah, I don't think that you can just like. I don't think he would have made that video and just saved it into your hard drive or deleted it.
Speaker 2:Well, that's why I think buddhas do what they do, do with mandalas, right, they do it and then they delete it you know, like that, that would be like you know, no, but I agree, but I think you know the, the his, the experience that he had.
Speaker 1:That's also very like fulfilling no, but the experience wouldn't have been fulfilling as fulfilling if, if it wasn't to be shared or if there was no desire fueled behind sharing it, like if he went into it saying I'm going to create this video and then I'm just going to store it into my drive and no one will see it.
Speaker 1:One he would have never wanted to make that video to begin with so it was fueled by for others to enjoy it, for example, and when others didn't enjoy it, he felt a particular way about it initially, you know, but then he kind of saw it for like. Then he probably thought about the situation and realized what's happening. You know, did you ask for a sock?
Speaker 4:No, man, I threw it to you.
Speaker 1:Oh sorry, yeah, so it's the same way know, you didn't ask for a sock, no man, I threw it to you. Oh sorry, but uh yeah. So it's the same way there. Like you're not going to create to begin with, if it's not Fuel, if that type of like, there's a fuel there, fuel is not there, you know.
Speaker 4:I'm going to describe my feeling. It's probably going to. When you were making it, it felt great, it was fun, of course, it was awesome. And then, when you sent it and you didn't get the response you want, you were like fuck that dude, fuck this. Yeah, I went through those feelings.
Speaker 2:I'm like I'm not sending anything again. But then I have to check myself.
Speaker 4:I'm like, no, I'm'm going to keep doing what I got to do because it's the right thing to do, but in the moment you saw all this fucking hard work and it didn't, nothing came of it. Yeah, fuck it, that's our ego talking.
Speaker 2:That's our pride. My pride was, you know, shot down it's like you know. And I didn't go. This happened a while ago.
Speaker 4:This is when they were here, what I mean. So, like I'm not gonna go and I already forgot about, the only reason why I remember it is because of this. I let go of it, you know? I mean I'm moving on. Well, I kind of forgot about it. You know my mom's thing except she sent me a message on message now, better late than never.
Speaker 4:And I'm like, oh shit, she still hasn't put it up. Yeah, but I really didn't give a shit anymore. It's like, hey, but the whole point was right. It's like, you know, I sent these things to her. I was like it took some time of mine, you know, but if she's not going to hang up the pictures, I just won't send her. You know things like that anymore. Yeah, hang up, it's never going to be put up. But then I have to think back to growing up. Right, we moved around different apartments a lot, so we never really hung pictures on the wall. You know that type of shit, so it can't really surprise me.
Speaker 2:There you go, right. So now it made sense. You made sense of the situation right now, which can help you in the future to prevent certain feelings going through certain things, and that's also part of communicating properly. Gift giving is also a form of communication, right, and a lot of times, it's a form of communication without communicating.
Speaker 4:How's that?
Speaker 2:Gift giving. Right, it's a form of communication, so it is communicating, so I don't know what you're trying to say Without talking basically Fine, okay, usually you just give the gift and you go no, you give it to them right you
Speaker 4:give it to them like, yeah, I thought this fit perfect for you, and the only response you usually get is oh, thank you, or what the fuck is this, bro? Yeah yeah but a lot of times you know. So what are we saying here? Are we saying anything?
Speaker 2:yeah, well, but a lot of times you know yeah, yeah, so what are we saying here? Are we saying anything?
Speaker 4:Yeah Well, it was all about communicating, bro, right, but you know you can't take things too personally, basically, oh, I think no, go ahead. It's about getting your emotions high.
Speaker 2:No, harris what we talked about is. The fact is this A lot of times.
Speaker 2:We want to communicate right onto the world, right, we want to say something to the world, to the people around us, but half the world doesn't understand. Okay, fine, yes, this is correct. We want a very specific answer. We want like ah, I want them to respond this way. A lot of times, we don't get those responses. It makes us feel a certain type of way. What we're trying to say here is that we can actually communicate with the world in such a way where we can, a lot of times not all the time a lot of times get exactly the response that we want out of the world, and that's what's going to make us happy. However, that takes a lot of practice, empowerment of ourselves, right, in order to get there. It's not easy, but we can get there, and if we do, we will be happy because we're constantly communicating. For example, harris, you came in here, into this office, spewing a whole bunch of bullshit.
Speaker 4:Say it, it Fuck you.
Speaker 2:Is this true or not? Yeah, absolutely, you see. And now everybody that's here, they're listening, they're like Harris, you just said that you weigh 215. Let's go check that.
Speaker 4:Well, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:I've been eating.
Speaker 4:I fucking estimated 215.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, estimated, you got on the scale. You weigh 202. Make it, I've been eating. I fucking estimated 215. Okay, yes, just put it at that. Estimated, you got on the scale. You weighed 202. Naked, I wasn't naked. We did not see you. Chewy, I wasn't naked, you were naked, but you weighed a 202. Yeah, that's a big discrepancy. It is absolutely Okay. You see, what I'm saying Is that we're actually paying attention here. So all the stuff that you're trying to communicate, it's inefficient and it's not working here. So what's?
Speaker 2:going to happen is in order for you to survive in this type of environment, you have to adjust. It's part of learning. Yeah, a new way to communicate. If you don't figure it out, it's going to be very difficult. Fake news, fake news, fake news. That is why, fridays right, when we sit down and we try to understand the communication style, we clearly see that you're still struggling. We're trying to help you understand how to communicate in the sales world and when you do figure this thing out, harris, you will be successful. Up until then, you're going to be a loser and you're going to feel exactly how you felt today.
Speaker 4:Oh, fuck you One day, but not today.
Speaker 2:You got to stay. One day that's going to be extinct yeah, just not today, the fuck you's. I'm waiting for.
Speaker 4:Tully to do it, because Tully does it a certain way one day Tully does it really well he goes one day, but not today, but not today. He does like a pause. One day, yeah, but not today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's doing it really well.
Speaker 4:Alright, you understand yeah okay, very good, can you please say it? What? Very good, can you please say it? What Do you say it a specific way.
Speaker 1:I'll say it one day, but not today.
Speaker 4:You can't do it with a laugh though he does a two-minute pause One day. The first couple times I heard it it hits home or no. He goes one day and he does a pause. Where I go one day, what? But not today.
Speaker 2:Good, you like his form of communication Sometimes. Sometimes, Sometimes, sometimes, yeah, so I think that if we learn how to communicate properly, we can have fun. We can have a lot of fun. Everywhere, Mike. On the basketball court. You see this shit, bro. You know what I mean. I'm trolling these motherfuckers, these motherfuckers telling me certain things.
Speaker 4:Sometimes I'm around totally too much. Yeah, because then I say shit, like we were at that restaurant that one time and I was sitting next to Tom and I went, and I went, what are you saying? Fucking around totally? Too much bro.
Speaker 2:Like yeah, I'm around too totally way too much, man, because I'm mimicking him, I'm fucking. It's supposed to work like that. Don't worry about it. The more you're around us, you listen, I'm developing a lizard. No, you're not yes, I am.
Speaker 4:No, you're not. It's not coming out yet, but I think I am.
Speaker 1:What do you? Why do you say that I feel like he doesn't hang around me enough?
Speaker 2:well, yeah, for sure, for sure. Little well, because you're oppressing him. He's in first grade, you're in 12th grade. Why do you?
Speaker 4:think you're developing a fucking lizard. I'm watching you. I'm observing your ass you're drinking your cap, going this is kind of good.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you it's internal right now sometimes, sometimes, so you better watch out man when I yawn, I yawn like Archie, like I'll stick out the lizard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because when he does it it looks so satisfying. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4:When he does a deep yawn, what like the, the lazy yawn, the long one yeah. Sometimes I'll do that when I'm Are you talking the way they go?
Speaker 2:Yes, like yeah, yeah, that's exactly what we're talking about. Listen, we always, we mimic, we constantly.
Speaker 4:I know Totally was saying how he was. Who was saying it? Was it you that said I was saying the fuck you all the time that you know he started saying it Totally, saying it to me right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like, oh fuck you, he does it really well, started saying it Totally, saying it to me right now. Yeah it's like, oh fuck you. He does it really well, the punchline is really good, but you know, oh fuck you.
Speaker 4:You hear something? Oh, fuck you. You've pressed the wrong fucking button. Yes, I did. I'm a little bit, you know, chewy. Yeah, do you goddamn mind? How do you what? You have two different you-out-of-year-gods, oh fuck you.
Speaker 2:I do have two different ones.
Speaker 4:Oh, you know what? Fuck you guys. This fucking shit. How many times are you going to play this Everything's Nate, this Nate that, Nate that? If Nate's listening to this, fuck you. I never thought I didn't realize how fucking loud that was Good, but yeah, you're around people, enough you get I if you get, you do get I don't want to say influenced that sounds bad why?
Speaker 2:it's just a natural, natural transfer of, like you know, we mimic each other. We, if we like something, we adopt it and stuff like that.
Speaker 4:It keeps going back it sounds so like you're being influenced. You know like it's a bad thing.
Speaker 2:It's like a part of life, part of our condition copying, mimicking and learning.
Speaker 4:You mean most of the shit I learned off John and all the other fucking brothers. 100% yeah.
Speaker 2:And TV. Well, the key is to find your own little groove you know what I mean. To find out after you've learned a lot of stuff and then choose what you want to do, so you can have your own personality, be your own being.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know, like I always talked about, like I want to do stupid shit, right? Yeah, where do you think I learned that from? Like I grew up watching jackass and I think it's like this awesome fucking thing yeah, jump out of a fucking plane without a fucking parachute. Yeah, risk life and limb bro. Yeah, yeah, because, dude, they come on. You watch jackass. They look like they're having a fucking grand old time, like they get fucking hurt, but they're fucking laughing about it like I want to fucking experience the fucking adrenaline rush.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but you've never done any of those things so you didn't get influenced by it. I mean, I've done some pretty stupid shit. Come on, even as a fucking kid I tried to mimic shit, right? My buddy had like this small gold car, right right, I was the dumb ass that decided I was gonna try to fucking uh, put my foot outside of his little go two-seater gold card and fucking rip my entire fucking toenail off the fucking dick in there. You know how painful that fucking shit is. Or or my next door neighbor had this fucking dog that was on the fucking leash and he was running towards me and I called him over and I wanted to dodge the fucking leash and end up fucking scraping up my fucking neck. The school thought I was fucking being abused. They call it fucking dyphus. Hmm, yeah, it's a whole investigation into that.
Speaker 1:One thing I wanted to bring up is when we were talking about why it's done. Sometimes, in the moment, it feels like when you're either helping somebody or explaining something to someone or teaching them. The metaphorical way of like doing it is that like, did you guys see the movie Princess Bride?
Speaker 2:No, are you kidding me? What the fuck is that? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4:Princess.
Speaker 1:Bride Are you? You have not seen that movie out there.
Speaker 2:No, please tell me you were on a date, bro. Maybe I did. Let me Google it real quick.
Speaker 1:Are you kidding me Totally, please. You're on a date, bro, maybe I did.
Speaker 4:Let me Google it real quick.
Speaker 1:Are you kidding me Totally? Please tell me you're on a date, bro.
Speaker 2:This is one of the best movies ever. What the fuck? Is this a chick flick?
Speaker 1:Are you kidding?
Speaker 4:This is one of my favorite movies ever. Hey, Eldar, tell me the truth. Is this a chick flick?
Speaker 2:It looks like a love movie, but it says family comedy. Is this family?
Speaker 1:comedy Show me it.
Speaker 2:Is this this? It's 1987?
Speaker 1:You have not seen this.
Speaker 2:Wait, wait, fuck me. You saw this fucking movie.
Speaker 1:You fucking Over 20 times Elder from start to finish. Are you kidding me? Yo whoa, whoa, whoa. Please tell me you were with a girl. Oh shit. No, it has nothing to do with that. Elder, you have not seen this.
Speaker 2:No, it's 8 out of 10. 96%.
Speaker 4:Hold up, hold up, mike, you have not seen this. I don't know what it is, but I don't think so. Is this like a Disney movie?
Speaker 2:Wait, his face looks very familiar.
Speaker 1:His face looks very familiar.
Speaker 4:Andre the Giant is in it.
Speaker 1:Oh, I see the guy that looks like Harris is in it from my Dinner with Andre. Oh, fuck you, oh, my God oh my God, yeah, all these guys you watched this. You have not seen this movie.
Speaker 4:Elder. No, it looks like a chick flick, doesn't it?
Speaker 2:All right, saturday. We're going to your house Tomorrow after the UFC fights Harris. It's a date you and Tony watching this movie naked Fuck you bro, this looks like a fucking chick flick, does it not?
Speaker 4:It has nothing to do with being a chick flick.
Speaker 2:Tell us what that is, or we'll have to wait. You want to make a point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, make a point, but it's not going to give away anything in the movie.
Speaker 4:You only watch the chick flicks when.
Speaker 1:There's a forest and two people have to escape and the guy's like no, we can't go through here, because this is like the forest of death, like no one survives, the forest of death, you know. And then like um, just just just to give like the uh, the analogy, like, like um, sometimes I viewed as that don't, don't look up anything about it, what's wrong with you? Don't, don't look up anything about it, what's wrong with you? Um, uh, when, when you're uh, teaching somebody something or helping them with something, right, um, um, oftentimes to me in the it, in a particular moment, when, like maybe, if I'm not thinking or whatnot, it feels like you're going on like a particular adventure, like with them, right, and when you're doing it, it feels like you've been there and you've done that, okay.
Speaker 1:And like so. So imagine there's this forest of death, right, that like, let's say, no one survives or something, Okay, Right, but you've been through it already and you know that you could send them through it and that's what it is. But if it's a scenario where like hey, you're with me.
Speaker 1:I've been through this forest of death and I know what's to happen, right. So the way it feels sometimes is that when I am involved in the situation that if we're walking through and he's like, oh right, here's a trap, oh right, here, there's a huge animal here that we have to fight.
Speaker 1:It feels that because I've walked through this, I've been there and I've done that and I know what this is, that, since we're in this together, in a way, I feel that, letting somebody fall in those moments or get attacked by that beast that I knew was right there, right, or stuff like that, it it feels like, um, like, like it feels like uh, like something bad happened on on my like, on my watch, even though I knew like about it, maybe, like you like. Here's my question to you?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Were they completely oblivious in that moment? Who the individuals that were about to hit that trap?
Speaker 1:Well, the thing is that that that I the the the issue with it, I think, to begin with, is just that, like the person doesn't say, hey, I'm going to come with you to this forest of death, everything that you do, I'm going to listen to, Everything that's going to happen, I'm going to follow your lead, and this is like a bound by death contract. It's not like this is what's agreed upon to in all of these types of situations. Otherwise, there would be no lessons needing to learn. Maybe you already figured out's say like, yeah, like a lot of things, or a majority of things, and like yo, everyone else is good now, because, like, they're just gonna listen, you know, but that doesn't happen.
Speaker 1:But it feels in the moment that like, hey, like, why are we going to hit my, hit our head against this wall? I know it's there, you know, yeah, so I feel the need to intervene and make sure we don't hit this wall, because this is on my watch, yeah, now, if you were going through this alone and I'm not helping you or I'm not, like you know, I'm saying anything, fine, okay, right, or if, like you choose to go on on your own and you were just asking for advice. I could tell you like, hey, on the right there's a giant rat. On the left there's a huge bear. Straight ahead, there's a tree that's going to fall, then there's going to be a spike. Pick which one you want.
Speaker 1:That's how it feels, like at times, I feel the need to like that and then oftentimes again feel the need to like that and then oftentimes again, the struggle with communication is that I feel like, while we're going to this forest or something like that, I feel feelings of you know, at times like betrayal, or like the person's angry at me right, um, right, or like you know those kinds of things yeah, right, because I got it wrong from the beginning, because this person did not agree to this thing, right, or it's like again, like all those words that they say when you get like married, right, what they say, yeah sickness and health and this and that, once you'll be there, this and this and this and this, right, yeah and then no one follows that bullshit, you know?
Speaker 1:um, so like, yeah, that's what happens and it's oftentimes it's probably just a overextension on my end in the moment and you gotta set it yourself, yeah, yeah yeah, and then you don't see it that it's yourself, but in the moment, yeah, it is actually yeah yeah, and now I'm just seeing it more that like, um, it doesn't matter how much you progress on something if you don't have the ability to properly communicate, then, like, you can only go as far as, like, selfishly benefiting to a certain point.
Speaker 1:but I also have a theory of actual that like, like, like, like, like, like, by you actually not ever learning that skill, you almost like, the better you get at something, you almost create like an internal cancer that spreads everywhere on that thing If you don't have the ability to communicate it or share it.
Speaker 2:Well, that's an interesting theory.
Speaker 1:What do you mean by that? Like, like, if you, if you continued something right, yeah, and you got really good at it right, oh shit, the better you get at it and the less you're able to communicate, the more it eats at you inside. Wow, Because then you're actually now reversing it back on yourself and you're ruining everything.
Speaker 2:It's almost too much to handle. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:What the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 1:Yeah, remember that point of the podcast in the beginning when I said you could just get up and leave because you won't be able to understand anything.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's what I felt. Oh, fuck, yeah. And that's what I felt last night. Wow, is that like you're're gonna keep improving at this? You could keep doing it. Yeah, you could know it on whatever next level. Wow, but if you don't have the ability to communicate properly, what a curse, or yeah, becomes actually a bad thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you're only you're, you can only go so far selfishly by yourself and lonely and you're lonely, yo motherfucker what the? Fuck you doing.
Speaker 4:you said I don't understand this man.
Speaker 2:Okay, fine, but I'm trying to dumb it down for you, man. You ain't dumb and shit man. Alright, you ready. Yeah, come on. He's saying he found a gold mine, he has a shovel, he has 10 shovels, but he can't give it to anybody Because they don't see them. What the fuck's wrong with you, man?
Speaker 4:What they're invisible shovels. How does he make them visible there you?
Speaker 2:go Gotta, make them visible so the individuals can grab them and start shoveling.
Speaker 4:Yeah, is that what he was talking about yesterday when he came in talking about Listen, yeah, I got these shovels. Yes, well, he didn't describe it, right, man.
Speaker 2:Well, he had't describe it right. Man, he had gold mine, but he can't share it with anybody.
Speaker 4:He just came in out of nowhere he goes, like there's a gold mine and I got two shovels.
Speaker 2:How about this? I'll give you a different one that you'll be able to understand. Well, I understood that.
Speaker 2:Imagine he just going in to rob a bank. He comes in with the guns and nobody's there and all the safes are open and there's so much money, but he only has two duffel bags Two. But he needs 2,000 to get everything out and he has no help. But he only has one hour. You know what I'm saying? This is the analogy. He comes in and he's like holy shit, what have I discovered here, Mike? How you doing.
Speaker 4:What I was saying was Harris, can you?
Speaker 5:do absolutely nothing.
Speaker 4:I got it. I got it. What I was saying was totally. When you came in yesterday and out of nowhere, gave me an analogy that this is a gold mine, I have two shovels, I had no idea what the fuck you were talking about Out of nowhere. You came over here. He's like. You just got to understand this is a gold mine. I have two shovels. Yeah, I know there was no context into it. Well, do you get?
Speaker 2:it a little bit now. Yeah, what that means is that he's clicking.
Speaker 4:I understood it now because you dumbed it down right. You came to me and you said this is a gold mine. He has two shovels. He wants you to take one. He wants to give me a piece of it. Yes.
Speaker 2:So you can do the same thing that he's doing, because what he's doing is good, he likes it, he enjoys it. This is where you want to be right. So you should be fucking ripping your hair out to find out how to do this, how to see this fucking shovel, so you can pick it up. I'm like totally I got it.
Speaker 4:I just want to state one thing how the hell did you not know how to dumb that down? Man, I wasn't trying to. That's funny, like that's the same.
Speaker 1:I wasn't trying to actually's funny, like that's a simple thing, I wasn't trying to actually have you understand that in that moment.
Speaker 4:Well, I mean, that's simple for me to understand, right, I have two shovels. I want you to take one. Yeah, you had me scratching my head for half the fucking day, man. That's the whole fucking point, though, of what I was saying. Well, there's no way I was going to figure that shit out.
Speaker 1:But I wasn't trying to get you to figure it out.
Speaker 4:Then what was the point of telling me?
Speaker 2:man, he's preparing you, he's trying to level you up. Harris, you have to understand one thing what we're trying to do, we're trying to figure out a way to level you up.
Speaker 4:I know that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and if you're able to be leveled up and you level up, I'm going to one day say, hey, harris, and then, once you're ready shoveling, I'm going to be like, hey Harris, remember those two shovels I was talking about? Uh-huh, you remember those, yeah, and what are you going to say? Yeah, what about them? You're going to be already holding them. Oh Understand.
Speaker 4:And then I'm not going to have it, and then my pressure is going to build up to the point where I need to give it to someone else, that is correct.
Speaker 2:That is the ideal thing and that's what in companies right, they talk about building teams and then passing this on, passing on this knowledge. You can have people working for you, like your brother or whatever Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm just saying. Or John, or whoever you can pass on this knowledge. It is very difficult to pass this on. It is very difficult to make people successful. It's very hard, even though everyone, quote, unquote wants to be successful. You want a lot of money, right, we have the equations to get there. He has the equations to become a successful salesperson right, I have a successful equation to become whatever it is in this office, right. Production, for example right, I have those equations I do. Whoever is going to be able to be open to them receives it. If they're not open to it, they won't receive it, and that's just the way that it is. Do you understand? Yeah, I do Boom.
Speaker 2:So are we doing better on communicating? I'm trying to. So. Are we up against Alzheimer's every single time that we have our amnesia, that every time that he has to forget what we talked about or we forget what we talked about? So we can be reminded every time that tomorrow morning that we will completely forget what we talked about well, yeah, the thing is that the the burden is always on the person that knows.
Speaker 1:So the person that knows right, so the person that knows, if they do find that valuable and know that, like this is what's needed what's important, then they're the ones that need to yeah, spread that, spread it and repeat it and do it. Do whatever it takes to uh, to uh, do it, because a person that doesn't know they're never gonna meet you at that place, you know.
Speaker 2:And they will never find their way they will never find their way.
Speaker 1:I mean they'll meet you there. Occasionally. It's kind of like you wake up in the middle of the night like two brothers and then, like you know, you might stumble or punch each other at the fridge like oh, you're hungry too, oh, I'm hungry too.
Speaker 2:You're saying it's a random thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it may not be a completely random thing, but I'm saying, saying it's a random thing.
Speaker 5:It may not be a completely random thing, but I'm saying that it's an unlikely it's an unlikely occurrence, I think maybe that's the way it is, that's how it's supposed to be, because you and every single person got here in a different path. Me and you can always, forever see eye to eye on one thing, and we can always meet in that place on one specific subject, but we don't have that on every single subject. Yeah, and I think that's what it is, because life is moment to moment, and education and learning and development it's also moment to moment, yeah, so I think this is a natural thing. You know you might be suffering from something that I'm not suffering.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it might take you a little bit longer to find your way back. You know what I mean, and vice versa.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, these nuts, huh, gotti, exactly. Yeah, I just had to do it, so I think that amnesia, or meeting at the fridge.
Speaker 5:I think that's it, you know.
Speaker 1:No, but like that, that to me makes sense. If, if it's like again, if you have one person that knows, for example, and one person doesn't know, you guys might get in the same wave, wave, wavelength from time to time. But if you want it to be like a calculated and recurring effort um yeah, like like effort or uh occurrence then I think very particular steps need to be taken to uh, to get there and mean again it is possible.
Speaker 2:I think the difference is the subconscious versus conscious efforts, and I think that a lot of things at least let's just say bring back Harris into the example that a lot of stuff that's being maybe planted right now is on a subconscious level, yeah Right. For it to be sprouting a little bit later after we water it, right yeah. Versus having a conscious effort versus conscious effort. You know what I mean? It's completely different, I think.
Speaker 1:Uh yeah and I think that, like the, like a person who truly knows they understand this and they understand the timelines better, and they, um, they like, um, yeah, like they, they have, they if, if, if you know you can do what you can manipulate and do things in whatever way you pretty much want you know, like if you actually know, but if, if a part of you doesn't know something, you'll always have a hard time fitting in that like that piece perfectly for it to work on that kind of way because you're going to be missing something and you're doing something wrong.
Speaker 1:But it's difficult to, it's difficult for yourself to see that, unless you like again, like you raise awareness to like an identifiable struggle and then you start to like a question it or like a think about it. In that way, yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 2:Harris, are you in good hands? I am.
Speaker 4:Don't say trust.
Speaker 2:Trust dad, dad is a bag, daddy it is why do you feel like you're in good hands?
Speaker 4:I'm still here, ain't I?
Speaker 2:what does that have to do with any being in good hands? I'm just staying. You know you are still here. Is that a result of what you're doing or what we're doing? What you're doing Really, yeah, so so far, you're putting it on us. Yeah, okay, we would like for it to be on you Well obviously.
Speaker 4:I feel, I've come a long way from where I started, at least Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're not chopping your finger off, that's for sure.
Speaker 4:I'm not talking about jumping out of a plane anymore that's another thing too, what he just said.
Speaker 5:You have to take the person's word for it. If they say, yo, I want to put my thing in the fire, you have to respect that that's a big part.
Speaker 4:I'm not talking about jumping out of a plane anymore, that's right you're not joining the Ukrainian military. Fuck you man. Yeah, yeah, you know You're not joining the Ukrainian military Fuck you man, yeah, yeah, you know, but yeah, some things have changed. Yeah, some things have changed. Yeah, I didn't even think of it, like think of those recently.
Speaker 2:Yeah, If you start reflecting on it like holy shit, right, yeah, there's a lot of changes that's happened in a very short period of time and I think that, to a degree right, maybe we are oppressing you with some of these changes, because we are very strong about our belief systems.
Speaker 4:Elderism.
Speaker 1:Elderism. Did you ever picture, like ever, that you would be sitting right now with a microphone in front of your face, with headphones and a blue dildo to your right?
Speaker 4:What is wrong?
Speaker 1:with you.
Speaker 4:You mean the bottle opener. Yeah, the dildo in your hand right now. It's a bottle opener. But yeah, no, Now you're holding. This is a dick-shaped bottle opener Eldar bought back from Greece.
Speaker 1:Why are you touching the tip?
Speaker 4:What is wrong with you as a souvenir?
Speaker 2:As a souvenir. Yeah, and somebody chewed it. We're not going to say any names who chewed it. Okay, pan wins, oh my god, but somebody did chew on it. You know, especially the head.
Speaker 4:What is wrong with you, man Nothing. Eldar's a sick Chewie-weua over here. Yes, yes, and brings back a souvenir that everyone passes around. Oh shit, yes, but yeah.
Speaker 5:When you were saying totally that the person who knows right foresees the stuff. So are you saying that you acting like you know right your actions, by the way you are, act like you know, but are you saying that you actually don't know?
Speaker 1:Well, the act of the act, like the complete act of knowing, is actually being able to do that, like the actual complete act of knowing. Um is actually being able to do that, like the actual complete act of knowing. You know, right? So, um, any anything I think like below. It is like you know some stuff, but maybe not like nearly all of it. You know, you could still know, I think, some, some, some, some things on that subject or stuff like that. But to actually know is to be able to manipulate reality.
Speaker 5:Is that possible, even to know?
Speaker 1:No though, um yeah, I guess to a certain extent. Yeah, I think to uh like, if you can manipulate reality in the way, in that kind of way, I think that's a display of knowing. But, um, I think for it to continue, it's like a like, I don't think it's just like you know and then it just like stops there. I think that you need to, you need continued education on that thing and continued like challenges to upkeep that um, but I think if you do continue it, I do think that you can operate from like a uh like a point of knowing on those subjects.
Speaker 5:Knowing wouldn't be like a complete knowing right.
Speaker 1:Well, I think it's moment to moment. That's why I'm saying that it's not like you just know and that's it. If you stop here, you're never doing anything else. You forever are in that state of no, of knowing. You may hit points where you realize that you don't know, or, like you, you like it like it's proven that you actually don't know, and then you have to educate yourself to get to a point of no. But I think that you can maintain certain things on on that, like uh. But I think that you can maintain certain things on on that, like uh, knowing like a sphere, if, if you but why do we appoint ourselves as we know, before we actually well might know?
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, appointing yourself, as you know, without actually knowing is is not known.
Speaker 5:I'm sorry, yeah, but why? Why does that happen? Because we, because you don't know. Because you don't know, but you act like you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's part of not knowing.
Speaker 5:But then what about Big Sock?
Speaker 4:He said knowing, knowing is wrong.
Speaker 5:Seriously, man Huh Sock said knowing, knowing is wrong.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:How does that so? How would that like?
Speaker 5:pertain here. Well, in this example, right, the way you're communicating with harris, right, you know what you're doing or you don't know what you're doing I clearly don't know what I'm doing. You clearly don't know, but in the moments when you do, you know what you're doing or no.
Speaker 1:I think I know what I'm doing.
Speaker 2:You think you know what you're doing, but you might be under the impression that he knows yeah, so he does it. But, however, when you start reflecting on it, you're like wait, did I get what I wanted? No, I didn't Right. Am I happy? No, I'm not. That is your bar and that's your scale. Wait, I thought I knew I wanted this and I didn't get it. What happened? You know what I mean. So that's when you can apply that I knowingly didn't know, because in the moment when he was doing what he was doing, he knowingly thought that it was right.
Speaker 2:Yeah sure in the moment. In the moment but when he reflected on it, he's like no, I clearly don't. He's saying that right now.
Speaker 5:Yeah, so then can you ever?
Speaker 1:I guess you can never say you actually know, right, like he's like socks, that no, you can. You can when, when what?
Speaker 2:when what you, when like what you think yeah, what you think actually is yeah. When you think act and you get the result all match up and it's all correct and you get the right result and you feel good and it is true, the truth, then you know. You know in that moment, but in that moment.
Speaker 5:yeah, it's always moment to moment, yeah and again, like.
Speaker 1:you can get many of those moments in a row, but you can also like. That's why the continued learning and the continued education is important, so that you can continue to evolve your skills and abilities and your like understandings. So that you continue to sharpen your skills and abilities and your understandings, so that you continue to sharpen your tools, you can get more of those moments of you proving that you know, versus more moments of thinking that you know and then proving that you actually don't.
Speaker 2:Like we've been doing throughout the week with Harris right a lot of times he goes arrogantly into like this is yeah, you know what I mean, like this is it. Yeah, you know what I mean. I'm like, okay, show us what. This is it you know? And he goes to show that he doesn't actually know what the fuck he's talking about. Oh, fuck you, yeah. And next thing you know, he has like I was wrong as he puts his hands up, and I was being like a little bitch, yeah, well, what do you?
Speaker 2:mean bitch like oh, first he was very strong about it, adamant about it. You know, he's his big Doing the walk away, the walk away. And then he starts running away like okay.
Speaker 4:We're running away. Whoa, whoa, whoa, I know. Yes, you are, I Put money. I ain't no puss. Yes, you are, I put money where my mouth is you usually fucking lose, yeah, but I do win, sometimes Very rarely.
Speaker 2:Oh, fuck you, bro. You're going to have to lose for the next 10 years in order to get it through your head To get humbled. That's the journey you're on. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And my financial advisor does sometimes be like yo don't make a bet, but other times he's quiet over there.
Speaker 5:I can't always protect you son.
Speaker 4:Yes, he did this, son. Yeah, you saw that.
Speaker 5:If I teach a man to fish, he eats forever. If he fishes a man, then he eats once. Yeah, you saw that. If I teach a man to fish, he eats forever. If he fishes a man, then he eats once. Yes, what.
Speaker 2:You never heard of this thing. No, if you teach a man how to fish, he eats for a lifetime. If you give him a fish, he only eats once.
Speaker 4:You never heard this one. I thought you just said if he fishes a man.
Speaker 5:Yeah, he was trying to fuck you up, trying to see if you're still with us.
Speaker 2:Do you understand what we said I do? That's what we're trying to do. We're trying to teach you how to fish, harris. What did you learn about communication, man? That it takes time and patience, man what give me some more intricate details about communicating style, or communicating and how to do it properly?
Speaker 4:You feel some type of way. Another person might not feel the same way as you. Okay Right, take my example. Okay Right, I was so excited to give my mom her picture. Yes, I did not receive the same excitement and it kind of ticked me off. Thank you, which totally felt the same way towards his teachings. As we put, it.
Speaker 1:But I don't view that as like poor communication, like that's like having an attachment to something.
Speaker 2:That's a poor interpretation. Yeah, it's a poor interpretation, Sure, but nonetheless it's communicating right. Like I said, it is a level of communicating?
Speaker 1:sure, yeah, but I think it's more has to do more has to do with the attachment to the situation like oh, I think attachment is the culprit of any communicating style. Yeah, he would have gotten the exact reaction he wanted if he gave his mom like half an ounce hold up.
Speaker 4:hold up out that he has said several times on this podcast that he attaches himself too much, so it all the communication does come down to attachment.
Speaker 2:No, I think that the culprit here is the attachment, which?
Speaker 1:episode and which minute?
Speaker 4:Do you not remember several times when he compared him teaching me to teaching Philip, as he attaches himself his tendency to attach himself? Did he say that Probably. Yes, I do not recall. Probably yes. Now I have to go through the podcast. Do you want to put money on it, Toli.
Speaker 1:That you'll find it within the next one. How long do you have?
Speaker 4:to find it, but hold up.
Speaker 1:Did you or did?
Speaker 4:you not say it, You're not a good finder dude, I didn't say it, you're not a good finder. Am I allowed assistance?
Speaker 2:No, yes. Although I says yes, I'm okay, with your assistance, because you need it Overruled.
Speaker 4:Yes, Two to one. You want to go on this bet no.
Speaker 1:You said, you did not say it, I didn't, and I would make a bet with you for you to find it or not find it why shouldn't I have the assistance if you claim you never said it?
Speaker 2:that's a very good question.
Speaker 1:The bet is between me and you, okay, but if I have advisors come on board, you claim you never said it, but if they come on board, whether I said it or not, I'm betting on you having no chance of finding it and forgetting about it, but you claimed.
Speaker 2:You said I did not say it, you gotta understand that he might even know that he's wrong, but he has confidence that you have no abilities to find it, which I agree with him.
Speaker 1:They'll all take the bet as well.
Speaker 4:I'll probably be riding with him, man. I'll take the bet as well. I'll probably be riding with him, man. I was here. I know that I got to go back to one of the first few episodes.
Speaker 2:You were having the ability, like technology Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1:Yeah, like attention span. What do you mean?
Speaker 4:What? What do you mean? I got no chance, you got no chance. Why do you say it like that?
Speaker 2:You know what, Harris?
Speaker 4:I'm going to go against you just to make for you to make more money, because I think this is a beneficial activity for you to do. I know it's one of the first few episodes.
Speaker 2:This would be equivalent to finding a needle in a haystack.
Speaker 1:This would be equivalent to like me saying hey, I'm gonna go pee somewhere in the passaic river and you're gonna tell me where I peed. I got a hundred dollars on it how much you got how long do you have to find it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I give a week bro, A week I just said it too A week.
Speaker 4:I don't care, bro, a week.
Speaker 2:All right, I got 50 on it, mike.
Speaker 5:Tom Walters talked for 50 bucks.
Speaker 4:Yeah, bro, oh, that's a good advice.
Speaker 5:Oh, let's talk for 50 bucks.
Speaker 1:He for $50?
Speaker 2:He was talking so much. Yeah, I agree with that man, you better raise that up a little bit. Well, if I put $100, on it. I can't put $100. Alright, I'm lowering mine to $150.
Speaker 4:Mike.
Speaker 5:Oh, you're going $150? Yeah. Yeah he's being a little bitch now. $200? Yeah, 100%. What? 100%, take it and no assistance, or, yes, assistance, like I said, no assistance.
Speaker 2:I mean, he's going to do it himself. He's going to have to dig himself. Yeah, no assistance.
Speaker 5:Okay.
Speaker 1:And what happens by Liz? You owe the same money back 200?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 5:That's right Say you're disabled Totally. What's? The odds Say immensely. A little bit.
Speaker 2:You got a week dude you got a week to dig this fucking gold.
Speaker 4:Give me the odds. Huh, give me the odds. I don't know how many podcasts have I done.
Speaker 2:Dude, it's a lot of podcasts to go through. Dude, it's a lot of digging.
Speaker 4:How many podcasts? I'd say 10. You think 10?
Speaker 2:But it's hours worth of material.
Speaker 4:But it's every Friday. I've been here for four months, it's more than that.
Speaker 2:So four months equals 16. A little bit less.
Speaker 1:And some of them are three plus hours.
Speaker 4:Yes, it's not like you, just skim through it. You have to listen to it.
Speaker 1:I would say that, even if he knew, even if we told him which podcast I was on, the odds of him remembering to do this to begin with is already like, it's already bad, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Wait, you know what podcast is on.
Speaker 1:I could know which second it's. On anything, you're not going to find it anyway.
Speaker 4:So why did he immediately? Say I never said that, well, because he knows that you're.
Speaker 2:You know you can't back it up. Are you having?
Speaker 4:the Alzheimer's no. Alzheimer's what podcast is it on? What.
Speaker 1:It's on episode fuck you.
Speaker 4:We talk after this, nope.
Speaker 1:Now or never. You have five seconds, Five, four, three, two, one zero. Bet's over.
Speaker 2:Wow, $200200 on the line. Wow, and I was on your side. Yeah, but I'm already yeah, I fucking.
Speaker 4:I'm already down $800 on a stripper you're too busy, harris.
Speaker 5:Yeah, well, that's true too that's true too.
Speaker 2:All right, it's good. Yeah, I got.
Speaker 4:I do have other stuff to do, bro. I do. How about this? I do have other obligations. I have bro. How about this? I do have other obligations, I have $5.
Speaker 2:The fact that you don't remember what the bet is about Of course I do.
Speaker 4:Okay, go ahead, $5 on it. $5? Of course I do, and you have 30 seconds to say it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, 30, 29, 28, 27, 26, 25, 24, 23, 22, 21, 29, 28, 26, 25, 24 23, 22, 21, 20.
Speaker 4:You're putting the pressure on me.
Speaker 1:15 14 13, 12, 11, 10, 9 8, 7, 5 4 3, hold up three.
Speaker 4:Hold up, bro, god damn it.
Speaker 1:Two, one, you lose.
Speaker 2:Send me five bucks. Huh, send me five bucks.
Speaker 4:Yo, that's not fair, dude. Fine, I'm going to give you a ten seconds of silence. Fuck, now you got my mind fucked up, bro. How about Phil? Oh, it's about Phil, phil, phil, phil, phil, phil, that's it 10 seconds is up again, Fuck bro.
Speaker 1:He doesn't even remember what the bet is about.
Speaker 4:Bro, we were going on and on and on. All right, sorry, Dude you kidding me.
Speaker 1:You get what I'm saying. Done, we gave up. Yes, do you understand, done, we gave up. We were doing the UFC thing. We listed like 50 people in the UFC and we asked him to list five and he could use the ones that we said and he couldn't give them. Do you understand?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's about the emotions. It's about the emotions. Fuck you what. What was the bet about?
Speaker 4:I know what it was about. It's just on the. It's been a long day, so what's the bet about? It's been a fucking long day.
Speaker 5:You don't know what the bet was.
Speaker 4:He was totally comparing you to Phil. Oh yeah, he was comparing me to Phil. Damn, he really doesn't remember, are you?
Speaker 5:kidding me. He was totally comparing you to Phil.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, he was comparing me to Phil. Damn, he really doesn't remember. Are you kidding me? I tell him the prank in my tongue you were comparing me to Phil. Name two female.
Speaker 1:UFC fighters.
Speaker 5:Name two females that are not your mom. Your mom. No somebody that you don't know, that's outside of this room, like this inner circle.
Speaker 4:What do you mean? Someone I don't know that's outside of this room, in this inner circle? What do you mean? Someone I don't know, then, how the fuck can I list their name, dude? You don't know what the bet was. Are you kidding me? I remember what the bet was what was it? Are you kidding me? It's when you invest too much of your time. Blah, blah, blah. I bet it's on the brink of my mind. It's when you invest so much time and you're let down when I'm describing it, man.
Speaker 1:If you wanted him to find it on the episode of the week, you could give him a year.
Speaker 4:Bro, it's been a long fucking day. Give him a year. It's been a long fucking day, man.
Speaker 1:I would say that you could tell him the episode and the time exact that it was set, and he won't be able to find it.
Speaker 2:Bro, if you don't know what the bet is about, you're not finding anything.
Speaker 1:bro, Do you understand how crazy it is?
Speaker 4:It's been a long fucking day, man. I've been filling my head with fucking knowledge for the past, fucking three hours man With knowledge. I like fucking three hours.
Speaker 1:man With knowledge.
Speaker 2:I like it. Remember the bet. Yeah, I like it. Listen, you get the pass Okay.
Speaker 4:So, um, have you ever gotten a hall pass when you were in a relationship? What you never heard of the hall pass? No, really, no, really. Yeah, it's like a one-time pass to do whatever the fuck you want for one night.
Speaker 2:Like even fuck Is a whole pass. Let me ask you this question If you get a whole pass, I think I understand what you're saying. If you get a whole pass, is it a confirmation that you're not happy in your relationship.
Speaker 4:No, it's more like your friends and you or your friends buy a ticket, like me and my friends, my work friends, right, I was in a relationship, my work friends Like us, yeah, okay, they bought a ticket to some crazy fucking shit. It was like to Denver. It was to a big thing, a big festival, all right. And I was like yo, I don't want to go because it was party central. Right, it was get high drink diddy, not diddy. All right, you're going there. You know it's kind of hipster things, okay, yeah, but it was crazy and you know we had flight benefits. You know, my buddy, my buddy was like yo, let's just go fucking do it. I got the fucking tickets, let's have fun.
Speaker 4:Mm-hmm, it was in Denver, it was crazy shit. It was like a music festival type thing, but it wasn't like high class, like ultra ADM shit, mm-hmm, it was like low level guys moving up. Mm-hmm, I was like no man. You know it's like I'm going to. I can't just leave my girl like that. But she gave me the hall pass. I was like you know what happens there. She goes. Yeah, you got a hall pass. 24 hours from the time you land you can do whatever the fuck you want. I said what about you? She goes, I'm just going to sit at home with my fucking kid. You just do it. But I think it was a fucking test.
Speaker 1:This, without a doubt, never happened. Yes, it did. It's a hall pass.
Speaker 4:You've never heard of a fucking hall pass.
Speaker 1:I'm going to bet $50, it does not happen. Call her right now. I'm not calling her.
Speaker 2:What's her girlfriend's name.
Speaker 4:You got 50150. I'm not putting her on the fucking spot, why not? But I think I'm just going to state this. I got $150. I think you got $200 right now, but I'm going to state this I think she might. I'll put an extra $100 on it.
Speaker 2:I'm going to state this. I think this is a completely fictional story.
Speaker 4:It's not a fictional story. You never heard of a fucking hall pass.
Speaker 1:I've heard of it, but this has not happened. It has, but but. But I got $300 on it.
Speaker 4:But I'm going to state something. You got $200. My work friends $500. No, I'm not calling her bro.
Speaker 5:I'm not putting her on the spot like this. Half a grand. What's putting on her spot? Help him out. I'm not going to do it. What's putting on her spot?
Speaker 1:Wait wait, wait, wait. What's putting on her spot? Yeah? She did the favor. This already happened right A long time ago. She's just saying what happened.
Speaker 4:There's some things in a relationship you don't fucking talk about.
Speaker 1:You just talked about it. What are you talking about? It's out to the public, world's gonna find out. Yeah, but she doesn't want to fucking know. No one really fucking listens to her.
Speaker 5:Mike throw some money on it. Please, Harris, take the money. I'm not doing it, man. As your advisor, you're gonna be like it did happen 500 dollars it did not happen.
Speaker 4:Let me say something here. Listen, $600. I'm not gonna lie. My friends were hinting to me the whole time. We were together, we didn't live together.
Speaker 5:You don't have to put her on the spot and be like, hey, can I ask you a question that time when you gave me that cold pass did you really mean it?
Speaker 4:No, he's not going to do it. I'm not putting her on the spot, dude. You know how uncomfortable $700. $700.
Speaker 1:It did not happen.
Speaker 5:It did happen, $800. Fake news it did not happen, it did happen, it did not happen $800.
Speaker 2:Fake news $800. You didn't even let me get the finish, bro, $900. This girl begs him for $20.
Speaker 1:Do you understand? He could just give her 500 bucks. I'm not doing that $1,000. I'm not putting her on the spot, bro $1,000.
Speaker 4:It did happen, bro. It did happen bro. It did happen. A thousand dollars, it did happen. I'm not doing it, I'm not putting her on the spot.
Speaker 2:Listen, I'll put my money where my mouth is.
Speaker 1:This girl is struggling financially. She asked him for twenty dollars.
Speaker 2:Yes, I got a thousand dollars on her right now.
Speaker 4:She hasn't asked me for money In fucking three months, dude. Come on, man Two months.
Speaker 5:That's another lie right there she's been getting child support.
Speaker 2:Bitch is paying up. What's the final thoughts on the communication?
Speaker 5:Harris this is unacceptable.
Speaker 4:I'm not accepting it. I'm not putting her on the fucking spot.
Speaker 2:I have too much respect to her?
Speaker 1:No, I didn't. What do you mean? Too much respect for her?
Speaker 2:I have too much respect for her, mike, give me a final thoughts, mike.
Speaker 4:There's some girls you have so much feelings for that you will never fucking.
Speaker 1:But why is this disrespectful Wait?
Speaker 5:what is exactly putting her on the spot? You don't have to tell her I'm going to podcast with three other guys.
Speaker 2:I'm about to hit a thousand dollars.
Speaker 4:You know how uncomfortable I felt talking to my fucking brother. Imagine how uncomfortable I feel talking to her and actually put her on the fucking podcast.
Speaker 5:Because you don't know how to communicate properly. We don't have to put her on the podcast. We don't have to tell her anybody's here.
Speaker 2:You got to understand that as soon as you got on the phone with your brother, we realized that he's a bullshitter. What do you mean? What do you mean when you told him about the job propositions he told you like?
Speaker 4:yo. I got mad offers out there. But no, I was so uncomfortable talking to my brother, I'm not going to do it with her, like I feel like shit. Even already fucking talking around here. It's time.
Speaker 2:It's time to let go of your previous fucking belief systems.
Speaker 5:You have to do this To become a fucking man. I'm not doing it, it's never, going to happen. You called your mom out and your fake news it did happen. It's time to either you call her or you admit that you're a liar.
Speaker 4:I'm not going to call her, you have to do one or the other you need to let me finish the whole fucking thing, finish it.
Speaker 4:I didn't go because I didn't want to fucking do it. But I did find out from a friend that they were all telling me like yo, you don't live together. She lived with a roommate who was a guy, I don't know what, I don't know. My friend was like yo, she lives with another dude. They had to be fucking and this is a sacred relationship. What do you mean? Who's fucking, who, what? Do you mean who's fucking who? Secret relationship what do you mean? Who's fucking who? My friend always accused her of banging her roommate.
Speaker 5:She was having sex with another guy. No, I don't think she, because she wasn't really the bull from New Jersey. That's why she was given the fucking whole pass in the first place, Of course, bro.
Speaker 4:No, I don't think she was fucking him. It was like Guys guys, this never happened. It did happen.
Speaker 2:She said it was her roommate, Harris.
Speaker 5:You have $1,000 right now, Harris you need to clear this, Otherwise we cannot continue. I'm not getting involved dude.
Speaker 4:This never happened. I never called her out. I trusted her fully. I'm sorry. Okay, then you have to admit that you're a liar.
Speaker 5:This is a whole complicated story or you have to call her I. You have to admit that you're a liar.
Speaker 4:This is a whole complicated story, or you have to call her, I'm not going to call her bro.
Speaker 5:This is like the deflection point Either we go our separate ways or we can never go on, because we never trust anything you say ever again.
Speaker 1:Shut up bro.
Speaker 4:I'm not going to call her.
Speaker 1:Then you have to say that you're a liar.
Speaker 4:I'm not going to say it, bro, because it's not a lie. She, when she was giving you a whole pass, she was giving you another guy. I was telling you. She said it was her roommate.
Speaker 2:She swore nothing was going on. And I trust her. Did you actually in your heart of?
Speaker 4:hearts believe that she did not write his whatever size penis. I mean, I used to have doubts but I fully trusted her. In the end it might have caused the rift, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Guys, how about this If you show us text messages and she never asked you for money in the last two months? Three, he said three months.
Speaker 4:Oh, three months she started receiving.
Speaker 2:I got a text that what do you mean that just happened last week?
Speaker 5:That's what. I'm saying, within the last two months, easy.
Speaker 4:I got a text that she started receiving child support again.
Speaker 1:When was the last time she asked you for money? Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2:Come on, guys, are you kidding?
Speaker 5:me it's like a month ago, Mike communication.
Speaker 2:Give me some final thoughts.
Speaker 1:I can't continue because of we had such a good podcast and we ended it on a completely fabricated.
Speaker 4:It's not a fabricated lie, a complete lie. She was living with another guy. My buddy, mo Maurice, would tell me yo, you're not uncomfortable with this, she's living with another guy. I'm like yo, you're not uncomfortable with this, she's living with another guy. You know all this shit. I'm like yo, I trust her, you know Plus.
Speaker 2:Even if she's fucking somebody, so what?
Speaker 4:What do you mean? So what Just?
Speaker 2:put on the condom. You know what I'm saying. Like keep it clean.
Speaker 4:I never wore a condom, bro Her and the other dude. What do you mean? Keep wasn't.
Speaker 2:No, oh, that's why I? Didn't want to call it. So why is she living with another?
Speaker 4:dude, it was a roommate dude. I had a roommate when I was over there and it was a female.
Speaker 2:Was it a female or a?
Speaker 4:gmail. No, it's a female, bro. I was not fucking her, it was a dragon. Are you done, man? It was a female. She was like 30, 37. She used 37 you know, we lived in the hood of Jacksonville yeah, that is unbelievable man.
Speaker 5:I can't believe we ended the podcast on a lie. It's not a lie, bro. It's not a lie, it is. I swear on my mama it's not a fucking lie.
Speaker 2:He would have called her. So what's the problem with the call and her getting the thousand dollars in your bank account?
Speaker 4:I'm not doing it, bro why, I'm not putting her on the spot, I already had a hard time. I already had a hard time talking to my brother in front of you. We'll stay quiet the whole time you know how I feel about fucking pressure bro no comments inside.
Speaker 2:We'll be in the other room our job is to relieve you of these things that you have, these retardations that you have built in.
Speaker 4:I hate the fucking pressure it causes, like dude. The whole time I was talking to my brother and have him on speaker, I felt like fucking shit, dude, like.
Speaker 2:I was so cautious in talking to him. Yeah, why.
Speaker 4:Is it because of us or?
Speaker 2:is it because of him?
Speaker 4:No, it's because I got him on speaker, I'm putting him on fucking blast.
Speaker 1:What was his name? Who speaker? I'm putting him on fucking blast. What was his name? Who? The brother you were talking about, ari, it was David. Would you call David right now and just call him and say hey, and if he picks up, say hey, david, you're a little bitch, hang up and you get $1,000 for that. Fuck, no, what, he's my older brother bro, you can't disrespect your elders, man, you can call him back right after and say David for doing that. I'm going to give you $250. Take the night off.
Speaker 4:No man. I can't do that I can't do that. David takes things too personally. He's immediately going to hang up and call my fucking mom Like yo, her fucking call me a little bitch, like he fucking tells.
Speaker 2:But I received $250 from him right after.
Speaker 5:And send your mom $50. She's tight on money, man.
Speaker 4:She wants to smoke some weed, you want me to try and call David?
Speaker 1:No, I'm just asking, you wouldn't do that.
Speaker 5:Hold on, call. What's her name? Chewy. No, I'm not gonna fucking do that.
Speaker 1:Call Chewy Because I told you, elder, I can spot these kind of things from a mile away.
Speaker 2:It's not a a lie dude, it is a lie well, I caught him before I was in some, some of them on the boxes yeah on the boxes.
Speaker 1:That was just like a couple days ago. That never happened. Why are you?
Speaker 4:calling me. I'm gonna call me a little bit we're not giving you money for it. Yeah what the bro he was just asking I was asking you a question?
Speaker 1:what?
Speaker 4:the you wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1:You said you wouldn't disrespect him, man.
Speaker 5:You gotta take the cash out.
Speaker 4:But no, in all seriousness, I love that girl with all my heart, even talking about it. It's off limits guys.
Speaker 5:I know.
Speaker 4:I love that girl with all my heart, even though you know what Harris Based on how you're feeling right now, I would like to send her $20.
Speaker 2:What is wrong with you? With all my heart? Okay, even though you still love her. You know what, harris? Based on how you're feeling right now, I would like to send her $20. What is?
Speaker 4:wrong with you? What do you mean? What am I going to say? Oh, this is from.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, this is from you. I don't want to be involved. I don't want naked pictures or anything. I'd going to send you $20 and you send her $20 and don't say a word For what. I just want to send it, but don't mention me, it's all on you. For what? I want to be the ghost here. Silent investor. Silent investor. Send her $20. Just send it. I'll send it to you. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:You guys think it's already ridiculous. I'm sending her money. No, but I want to send her money now. Yeah, but why do you guys think it's ridiculous that I'm sending her money?
Speaker 2:Well, we think that's ridiculous, but I want to send her money now. Have you never? Because of what you feel for her? You know what I'm saying? I want to invest in that.
Speaker 4:Like, like, I want to invest in that, like I've dated people after her, yeah, but in my opinion. What, what are you talking?
Speaker 2:about. The world wants to know. They don't want to be confused. It was a fucking chick. Okay, good, so same sex.
Speaker 5:What kind of low or chicky-toe, what kind?
Speaker 3:of instrument does she have? What kind of instrument does she?
Speaker 5:have down low. She's got a pussy man. She you have down low.
Speaker 4:She's got a pussy. Man she's got a pussy, Okay cool. But I've dated other girls, but I don't know, I felt something different with my ex.
Speaker 2:Okay, I think she's worth more than 20 bucks so far.
Speaker 4:I've never experienced it again. Okay, have you ever experienced Hold up?
Speaker 2:To totally man?
Speaker 4:Yes, Because I've never, seen totally with a girl, or anything else have you ever? Experienced true love? No, seriously.
Speaker 1:Neither have you, man yes.
Speaker 4:I have, you think you have. What is that supposed to mean? What is that? Supposed to mean. What is that supposed to mean? You think I have, I think I have, I don't know what else it means.
Speaker 2:I think he's challenging your understanding of love. What do you mean? Well, a lot of people say I love you, I love you, I love you, and the next thing you know they're in court. They have fucking divorce.
Speaker 4:Well, I'm kind of feeling like the sex was just oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2:Okay, so let's talk about that. The sex was good, but is it love? She was able to fucking jerk your chihuahua when you felt good about it, no just.
Speaker 1:Everything that you said about the situation leads me to believe that there's no way that it was love?
Speaker 5:No, but he felt a certain way when we broke up.
Speaker 4:I got broken up with other people. I had mutual breakups, but this breakup it hit hard a certain way.
Speaker 1:So what To the point where.
Speaker 4:True love, the fucking chest hurt. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if you ever had a breakup like that, where it just fucking hurt. I wish I could relate to you, harris, but you can't, like I didn't date for years.
Speaker 1:This is like that scenario. Do you remember in that movie, what is wrong with?
Speaker 4:you. Why does everything. Got to be a fucking movie bro.
Speaker 1:With Will Smith, where he's like the love guru.
Speaker 4:What is wrong with you? Oh, shut the fuck up man. Yeah, but you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, right you?
Speaker 1:remember he meets that like really rich guy in the cafe and he's like yes, girl, I can't get my mind off her like, yeah, you know, and he's just kind of like you know, sitting there listening to everything he's saying all these good things, like she took my breath away, you know, yeah, and I just can't really move on until I have sex why does everything gotta be a fucking movie? Yeah, talks about this why no?
Speaker 4:why does everything gotta be a movie?
Speaker 1:man, this's relatable man it's not relatable it is, he said.
Speaker 2:The reason why you're having these feelings in the first place is because of movies, because you're a wiener, you just want to chewy her.
Speaker 1:That's it. What is that?
Speaker 4:supposed to mean bro never, experienced love man neither have you, man, I feel like I have, bro. When we broke up it was like my, you know you have. Take a shit. What the fuck? No, bro, I had to walk away from the situation.
Speaker 1:I have plenty of evidence to support that this was not true love Like what Really?
Speaker 4:Go ahead Like what.
Speaker 2:Really, I like to say, really We'll have to both talk about what true love really means, yeah, what true love really yeah what true love mean, man oh shit. That's all you never experienced if you never experienced it. You can't fucking say what it means bro about our next fucking podcast I can just tell you how it wasn't true love.
Speaker 1:If you want, oh okay, go ahead. Well, first off, you, you, you, uh held in a shit for two weeks, oh my while being with her, which doesn't sound very loving. That's just one, and I'll give you just one more quickly. I have plenty of more, but just one.
Speaker 4:That was we just put this on blast on the podcast.
Speaker 1:Man quickly said we have to.
Speaker 2:We're honest here, man.
Speaker 1:We have to help the people if you're in love with a person and you're going to a music festival with just no name and you ask the person you love for a hall pass.
Speaker 4:I didn't ask. She said I could have it. She supposedly felt bad that I wasn't going to go with my friends. I never went.
Speaker 1:Where this is even a thing there is absolutely zero love. I thought about it but I never went.
Speaker 4:She felt bad that I couldn't go with a friend. She said, go, you get a hall pass. And I never went.
Speaker 2:Did she give by any chance? Did she give you a hall pass because she knew you're a loser? You're not going to do anything about it.
Speaker 4:What the fuck are you trying to say and what you thought she? She just wanted to make me feel that's right.
Speaker 2:What's wrong with you? I'm asking a question.
Speaker 1:Then that would be true love.
Speaker 4:yeah, you guys are fucking assholes man.
Speaker 2:I think we are dude. But, something tells me that we actually have your best interest at heart. You know what the crazy, but you just haven't leveled up yet you know what the crazy part is. Yeah.
Speaker 4:We were only up together. Oh, like an Indian wedding.
Speaker 1:No Wait, how many times did you see her? What do you mean?
Speaker 4:How many times did you?
Speaker 1:see her physically.
Speaker 4:What do you mean physically, like right there?
Speaker 1:How many times was she in front of you?
Speaker 5:Every day.
Speaker 4:Not on the computer screen Every day dude, I was a lead at the airport for APH oh you were her bro, she worked under me, and how long were you guys together for? We were together for almost a year almost a year and we were set up by a fellow employee. They're like oh, you two are single, just barking. Yeah, just trying it out. Yeah, wow. And we ended up fucking the first night.
Speaker 1:Oh, true love, In that case that's. And then you end up not shitting for two weeks, true love.
Speaker 4:It wasn't right after, bro. It was like you know. Her and her son stayed over for about two weeks and, yeah, I held my shit in.
Speaker 1:What would her and her son do if they came in on the last day?
Speaker 2:He'd take a shit.
Speaker 4:Motherfucker be gone. Yeah, fucking stink like a motherfucker. Just all be coming out, bro. You know you got to take some things to start some movement.
Speaker 1:You know what that is, bro, when the gutter is like stuck and then they unstuck the gutter.
Speaker 4:I had to take a little something to get the thing going man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, of course you still look like a fucking upside down pair, bro, fuck you, bro, another two weeks, can you imagine, without going to the bathroom?
Speaker 1:That's crazy, bro, that's not love man.
Speaker 4:That's not the. You know the? We should search it up. Guinness I might be eligible for Guinness World Record. You might be eligible for that, man, I'm not happy that you're proud of it. How do you prove it? You go to the doctor and see how fucked up your system is.
Speaker 2:No, alright, guys, you guys are a bunch of assholes really you coming back on Monday or no? Yeah, I am lovable assholes lovable assholes.
Speaker 1:I Lovable assholes, I like that.
Speaker 2:That's a good name for the podcast Lovable assholes is the contradiction.
Speaker 4:And I'm going to take Tully to a wonderful place with JC. It's going to be wonderful, good Please.
Speaker 2:I think he needs to. You guys have to bond over something like that, yeah so we're going to bond, yes, please.
Speaker 5:Don't worry about it, you guys are going to get all milk together, yeah.
Speaker 4:No one's talking about bondages. You sick fuck. Are they going to milk you guys at the same time? Don't worry, I'll come pick you up, it's going to be wonderful, come pick you up.
Speaker 2:What's?
Speaker 4:wrong with you?
Speaker 2:I'm going to come and pick you up? What is wrong with you?
Speaker 4:You got a sick fucking mind you. I'm asking you a question. I'm going to drive to his house.
Speaker 1:No, what did you say before?
Speaker 2:I'm going to come. What's wrong with you?
Speaker 1:You said that it wasn't a yes, it's like come, I'm going to go over there and pick you
Speaker 4:up, you're sick fucks how much have you had to drink tonight?
Speaker 2:I did have some good tequila. I'm not going to say the name of it because everybody's going to unless they pay a lot of money.
Speaker 4:Well, I mean everyone, bro, you're just Boost the Brand. They can't do it unless they sponsor, right? What are you crazy?
Speaker 2:You understand what we're doing here, or no?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I understand.
Speaker 2:Good the fuck. They gotta pay me a million dollars per episode for me to fucking even say a word. A million dollars, wow.
Speaker 4:Do you think this is worth?
Speaker 2:man.
Speaker 1:Just by sitting here, we're burning tens of thousands of hours per hour. What do you mean Like?
Speaker 4:if you take our collective time, that we're worth. I'm so confused. Don't worry about it, okay.
Speaker 1:Well, so yeah, what was the bet that we were talking about before you?
Speaker 2:turned down For $200. Oh yeah, there's no chance of getting that. What is the bet that you were talking about before you turned down For $200. Oh yeah, there's no chance of getting that. What is the bet that you got for $1,000?
Speaker 4:Put my ex on the spot To do what? But?
Speaker 1:what.
Speaker 4:I can't believe that it's considered putting her on the spot. Of course it is, of course it's putting her on the spot.
Speaker 1:He loves her. I would say he doesn't give her the full $1,000 and that would help her so much.
Speaker 2:That's probably like six months of rent. She wouldn't give a fuck. No, of course not. She wouldn't give a fuck. She wouldn't care yeah.
Speaker 1:If you were to ask her hey, this was a situation, I didn't do it, but I could have gotten $1,000 for you She'd be furious, yes, If he did tell her afterwards.
Speaker 4:But I'm not going to put her on the spot, bro, it doesn't matter how much money. Okay, this is a woman. That's love, man.
Speaker 1:I also call BS on that. This is a what Like with a woman. Well, no.
Speaker 4:You fucking asshole. No, I didn't say that. I'm saying with enough money. No, Tully doesn't think it's fucking love.
Speaker 2:Well, I think Tully has reasons why he's saying that let's find out what those are.
Speaker 5:Let's not On the next episode.
Speaker 4:Tully has said what is true love? Tully has never said. Tully has said he's never experienced love. So how do you know what love is? Man, Did you?
Speaker 1:So how are?
Speaker 4:you basing it off a movie man.
Speaker 1:Harris, yeah, I saw in a movie Curly Sue and Donald Duck. You know they don't love each other.
Speaker 5:Harris, I have one question for you why you read this book. Yes, did you ever read what's on the back of this book? Oh my God.
Speaker 2:Do you guys?
Speaker 5:know what's in the back of this book? No, harris, do you know what's in the back here? I?
Speaker 4:read it once, but I don't remember what it was. Yeah, I read this already. No chance At any point. We are one question away from a different life. I read this before. I even started.
Speaker 5:You didn't remember it.
Speaker 2:Guys, hit me with some final thoughts. Mike, give me something.
Speaker 4:Tully's an ass man, you already said that. Yeah, because you can't say it wasn't true. Love man, you don't know what that is. Next podcast is going to be interesting bro, true love. How do you know what the fuck true love is? Harris?
Speaker 2:before we do the podcast on true love, I'm going to give you a warning. A lot of times, when we talk about very specific topics, we actually kill them. What do you mean? Are you ready to kill true love for yourself? What do you mean? True love? What do you mean? Are you ready?
Speaker 4:to kill true love for yourself. What do you mean, true love? I thought you had everyone believe in true love, man.
Speaker 2:Listen, I do and I am. However, my definition of true love is very specific. What do you? Mean. How I define true love might be very different from how I totally define it.
Speaker 4:So how would it kill my?
Speaker 2:point of view of true love. That's what I'm saying that if you hear my understanding of true love, you might abandon yours and I'm worried about that.
Speaker 4:What are you talking about, bro? Everyone can have their own opinions on true love they can.
Speaker 2:But whether or not it's true is a different story. Reason to wear true right.
Speaker 1:We're using the word true right. You didn't say, based on my understanding and my opinion, that I was in love.
Speaker 2:You didn't say that, I didn't.
Speaker 4:I asked him has he ever been in true love?
Speaker 2:Like have you ever been in love with a person?
Speaker 4:With an assumption that you were Dude. The way I felt when when she rode your dick was really good. You just said it was about the sex. It was partly about the sex?
Speaker 2:How many percent? 90-10?, 80-20?, 70-30?
Speaker 4:Half. There's something about the way she rode your dick. No, she didn't ride shit, I did all the work, bro, alright. There's something about the way she rolled you down? No, she didn't ride shit, I did all the work, bro. Okay, fine, all right. But the way I felt about her, and when it ended, the explosion. No. I was just fucking.
Speaker 5:You were drained like a lizard. No, I was upset.
Speaker 4:I felt like my heart was fucking broken. After the chihuahua what is wrong with you? You know what man Fuck you.
Speaker 5:Fine, he's still emotional about it all there. Yeah, yeah, he's like he's the only kid. Your heart is still broken. Yeah, no, we shouldn't do this topic next week why he's not ready for it.
Speaker 4:He's not ready for it. He's not ready to let go. No, okay, there could still be a future between me and him.
Speaker 5:If he did quit the vape in two weeks he was incomplete like finished. If he finds the answer to this, for six months he's going to come here and not do anything. We don't want that, Unless he wants that.
Speaker 2:There still could be a history there, man Huh.
Speaker 5:There could be a history there, man huh, there could be still history. He's saying there. Well, history in the future, of course there could be a future here still. That's why he doesn't want to burn the bridge. Yeah, with the hall pass. Yeah, harris, true love, not yet.
Speaker 4:I think the hall pass was just her feeling bad that I wasn't going.
Speaker 5:No, I don't think no, I think it was her feeling bad that she's pop-offing somebody else.
Speaker 4:Oh shit, yeah, you believe that too, huh.
Speaker 5:You know, I was once like a slug, like you, so I know how these things work. I'm not saying I'm not longer a slug, but I know and I've been in your shoes, or you've been in my shoes, you believe that too, that she was power.
Speaker 2:Harris, it's difficult for me to to put my chips on the fact that she has some kind of morals and ethics, based on some of the scenarios that you've described.
Speaker 5:Based on the limited knowledge we have of her from you, I might be wrong, she's not. Mother Teresa. I don't think so.
Speaker 4:at least I might be wrong my dad has claimed she's just texting me, using me for the money and all this shit. Come on now. Send her 20 bucks from.
Speaker 2:You but through me. Yeah, I'll send you the 20 bucks and.
Speaker 5:I'll send you the 10 that you lost in the bet. You can send it. That's from me too. What is going on here, man? Yeah?
Speaker 2:We the best for you. Whether you understand it or not, that's up to you. We'll just leave it at that. So I think we communicated everything. Therefore, these are our final thoughts. Thanks for watching.