Dennis Rox
The 'Dennis Rox' podcast is a deep dive into the intricacies of personal development, self-growth, and the obstacles one may face on the way. Hosted by Eldar with regular guests Mike, Toliy, Harris, Katherine, and Tommy the conversations explore themes such as anxiety, self-sabotage, the pursuit of happiness beyond materialism, and the complexities of love and relationships. Other topics include the impact of societal values on personal fulfillment, humility, and the often misconceived notions of success and wealth.
Through personal stories, philosophical debates, and thoughtful discussions, they explore various aspects of challenging one self and achieving personal growth. The conversation often shifts from individual experiences to broader societal critiques and is characterized by a focus on depth and seeking genuine understanding over superficial conclusions.
Dennis Rox
141. Breaking the Idol: Politics, Personal Empowerment, and the Clown Show of America
Is idolizing politicians and public figures affecting our judgment and self-growth?
Through a lively discussion filled with humor and heated debates, we explore the polarizing nature of political idolization, focusing on figures like Donald Trump. We question how admiration for such personalities can shape decision-making during election seasons and beyond, while also delving into the importance of informed choices and self-reliance. Our journey takes us through the intricacies of political promises and government spending, sparking conversations about accountability, transparency, and the 'clown show' of politics in the United States.
The chaos of political discourse in America is tackled head-on, with discussions on the COVID-19 pandemic, the migrant crisis, and the controversial topic of printing money. Our frustrations with political leadership and resource allocation are laid bare as we debate the fairness of shelter conditions in New York, the impact of government priorities, and the often bewildering nature of political spending. With personal jabs and humor, we examine individual rights and the societal tendency to hide behind influential personalities, emphasizing the significance of personal empowerment over idolization.
Through personal stories and historical examples, we unravel the dangers of idolizing politicians and public figures—highlighting how it can cloud judgment and hinder personal growth. We explore the societal consequences of such admiration, considering the pitfalls of using political symbols and affiliations as social identifiers. By reflecting on the power of moments over people and the role of history in shaping our perspectives, we encourage listeners to cherish individual rights and focus on personal development, challenging them to question the status quo and seek the truth for themselves.
On this week's episode Donald Trump. I like him because he doesn't fucking back down to what he says.
Toliy:People fear Donald Trump. Can you tell me what evidence do you have that leads you to believe that they fear him? Absolutely Okay, go ahead.
Eldar:What you're doing right now. You're spitting some nonsense towards us, you're getting shut down, but you're still fighting. You're fighting because you idolize other people, and people fed this garbage into your brain and now you have to stand behind those ideas, and that's why you have to fight People who idolize, you probably have no chance to amount to anything. Oh my God, if you can repeat this, I'll give you $10.
Harris:He said that if you believe all this shit, you're not going to amount to anything. You probably earned a dollar.
Eldar:Look, I think today's topic, which is extremely important and I think we talked about it a lot, I think we need a refresher more than anything, right?
Harris:I don't like his judgmental ass right.
Eldar:Oh my God, Would you like to report that to HR? He's sitting right next to you right there. Hr can kiss my white ass. Is that a?
Harris:fire and offense, sir yeah.
Eldar:Make an official complaint. Huh for you.
Harris:I'll fuck you man.
Toliy:If I have anything to report to HR. It's like I'm trying to do fucking sales calls and I turn around and there's a naked Yeti behind me. I'll fuck you, man.
Eldar:Look, if you pay attention here, you might be able to take something back. I'm not going to bet my chips on it or my house on it, but something tells me that it's very important for you to listen.
Harris:Are you done, man, or are you just going to keep saying, oh my God, oh my God?
Eldar:I got you. Harris, I got you. I know he's pissing you off, so the question today is You're?
Harris:taking the fun out of it for me.
Eldar:Try to understand this, okay, try to understand this question. Okay, I'm going to try to phrase it, you know, for the people that just came out of the cave or still in. Oh my God, okay, how bad is it to idolize others? Fuck.
Harris:How fucking bad is it how?
Eldar:bad. Is it for our own self-esteem? For our own development, for our confidence when we idolize others.
Mike:Well, the thing that made me think when you said that is it ties into. I think it's last week's topic. Look that way, man, Was it maybe two weeks ago?
Harris:Look that way.
Mike:When you idolize others, you take away your own power to do anything.
Harris:Hey man, this is getting weird, man, Stop it.
Eldar:Especially because it's election season or whatever the fuck is going on right and everybody's like who are you voting for? What's this? What's that my mom? What's this? What's that my mom? Yeah, uh, katherine, even put me like your gun to your head. You know what I mean, like, uh, and you know, and the every reason that I go by by and the things that I do have right, all comes back to the fact that, yo, if they don't know what I know, I can't co-sign and put my name next to their name, like I just can't. You know what I mean, I just can't. You know what I mean, I just can't. So the numbnuts that's supposed to vote is Harris, yo, I just got to you said Huh, you don't what.
Mike:If they don't know what I know, if they don't know what I know right.
Toliy:Or at least I think it's the opposite, at the very minimum, if you don't know what they're about or what they're talking, about.
Harris:It's not exactly. It's not about.
Toliy:It's not about knowing what you know, I would say is a, is a, it's not a stretch, you know time out.
Harris:It's not about whether they know what you know. It's more about who you feel is more capable of running this country and keeping us out of world war three. It's not about oh, maybe you know they don't have my views, okay, they might not have your views, but it's more who you have your confidence in in running this fucking country.
Eldar:Harris, what if I told you that genuinely I don't have confidence in neither side to be able to uphold any type of good that I try to propel here, at least on the podcast?
Harris:I understand that, but right now I'm not running for president. Ok, right now you're not running for president, so we're not going to have your views right for a good 25 years at least. Ok, ok, so good. But so right now you have to think about who would be in a better position, who would be the best out of the worst. The best out of the worst you don't have to like them.
Eldar:You're telling me that we have enough evidence, enough information.
Harris:You might not, but you have to go on a wing.
Toliy:You never know what you're going to get On a whim.
Eldar:What you're saying is Eldar? Just take a best educated guess you can.
Harris:Yeah, educate a guess that you feel, that's it. If you have a feeling, hey, maybe it's Kamala Harris, that will be better. Maybe it's Donald Trump, Look at their results, look at their history and then learn a little bit about them and then decide which one is for you, Okay. So, okay, it's a guess. Learn a little bit about him. How Do your research? Kamala Harris was a district attorney. She was a DA for 20 years. She specialized in getting justice, as some people would say. Donald Trump I like him because he doesn't fucking back down to what he says. He'll say whatever the fuck is on his mind. He kept countries at bay because they did it.
Toliy:He was unpredictable you don't know any of. You don't know about any of this kind of stuff. You don't actually know what happened predictable, you just got marketed by a bunch of apes to know.
Harris:Ape and that's what you're saying feared donald trump because they, they feared. Yeah, he wait, but how do you know that they farted can?
Toliy:you tell me? What evidence do you have that leads you to believe that they fear him Absolutely? Okay, go ahead. Okay.
Harris:Yeah, none of these fucking wars started when Donald Trump was in office.
Eldar:Okay, my friend Donald Trump promised me that the Mexicans will build the wall themselves and pay for it. Didn't he do?
Harris:that, no, but he started using taxpayer dollars to build it himself. But that's not a bad thing.
Eldar:No, no, no. He started using my money to build something that I disagreed with. For example, right On my dime, you disagreed with building a border wall. Listen to me very carefully. He told me that he will not use my money and I agreed with him. Great, donnie, good job. Let the Mexicans do it, let the Mexican government pay for it and let the Mexicans fucking build a wall. And then he goes oh no, no, no, no, no, eldar, let me put my hand in your wallet, take some of that money and build this thing. You told me we had an agreement, we had a verbal agreement, but Donnie does what he says he's going to do.
Eldar:Oh, he doesn't back down back down.
Toliy:Yeah, he also said that now china is gonna make stuff over there yeah, sell it to us and pay a tax to be able to sell it to us. Yeah, so we're not gonna have any income tax either I'm just stating right, are you sometimes?
Harris:yes, they do have to adjust what they're doing, right, okay, yeah, but he started building the wall, right, okay?
Mike:when, when, when, by some reason, when we started building the wall okay, you have to give him a local example, because when biden came into office, time out time out when biden and camilla harris.
Harris:Yeah, the I'm not even gonna say what's on my mind about her. It it's going to be offensive to some people, so fuck it. When they came into office, what's the first thing they do? Oh, it's okay, let's open the gates to hell. Come on in, everybody from Mexico, come on, come on, come on in the fucking country. And then what do you have? You have more shootings from migrants. You have all this shit going down Shit. They even aired last year that 130 people were transported into the country by a smuggler who had ties to fucking isis and they're like oh, no, no, no, it's okay, we're gonna track down all those people. No, you're fucking not.
Toliy:They're in the wind now I just have one question Was it Donald Trump or Kamala Harris that allowed your heavy breathing onto the mic? Oh, fuck you man.
Harris:Okay, in my opinion, the Democratic Party, including Kamala Harris, has fucking failed several times. Several times, they have made this country even worse. So in my opinion, everyone has their own. In my opinion, donald Trump is the best fit for office. Alright. He raised our salaries and salaries of workers.
Toliy:He did all this, so now, if I were to make a decision, let's say I'm just coming in blind, but I only know Harris. I know Harris to make extremely poor choices and have very, very low abilities to critically think. Therefore, I'm going for Biden Therefore. I would go the complete opposite.
Eldar:Biden's not running.
Toliy:Knowing anything politically, but only knowing him. What decisions is he good at making?
Eldar:Tell me, go ahead, please don't hold your breath here, you will die.
Toliy:Can anybody tell me what decisions is Harris competent at making and judging? I'm not going to say any of the bad decisions that he's saying. Nobody has to raise their hands. Speak out of turn. Anyone. Fuck you, okay Sounds good, got it.
Mike:Everyone has their own views. Anyone fuck you sounds good got it.
Harris:Everyone has their own views.
Eldar:I'm making a point to you. You made a point. Your point has been admitted to court, right, mike? But, that totally brought some points too, and that was admitted too.
Harris:I understand that the whole point I was trying to make to you was you're not voting because people have the same views as you. You're voting at who would be a better fit in your personal opinion.
Eldar:Okay, and you just gave me some of your personal opinions and unfortunately they were refuted pretty quickly by Toli here who said that you're a complete numbness.
Harris:Everyone has their own thoughts, so if I was to be blind and there was a gun to my head.
Eldar:Yes, I'd definitely go and vote for Harris and.
Mike:Biden. Biden's not running man, you have to present some facts, Harris, that would qualify you to be somebody who can pick a good candidate and make good choices, yeah, but if you believe it, Mike, it is a fact.
Toliy:I could do this right, kamala, that's right.
Harris:Camilla Harris has gone back on everything she originally said. What was the first thing she said when she was coming into presidency? I'm going to keep everything the same that Biden was doing. And now she's saying she's not going to because the people didn't like that fucking answer. So, if anything, she's a complete fucking fraud.
Mike:Why? How come the process of information gathering is always taken from a third party?
Eldar:OK, so that's where I have a big problem with that's a very good question, yeah that's the problem I was having when I was 100 and I think and I think this is what's happening a lot of the time is that we, because of the fact that, uh, we never get introduced to the fact that we have critical thinking in our own mind, that we have reasoning and the ability to think for ourselves, we a lot of times look for external information and we grab it from them, right, and a lot of times what happens is in that process right, if they're wearing a nice watch, a nice suit, right, they're able to present us a very specific life externally, that they got all their ship buttoned up, put together, right.
Eldar:Nice wife, nice house, nice kids all this crap nice things. Right. Nice wife, nice house, nice kids all this crap nice things. Right, we start to idolize them, we start to listen to them and pay close attention to them. So what happens is naturally, organically right. If we haven't bought into ourselves, we don't have our own self-esteem, right, we start esteeming others, idolizing others, we start to adopt some of their ideas.
Toliy:And let's go just to add on to what you're saying. I think also the crazy commonality is this the people that know the least and have the lowest amount of these kind of skills. Shout the hardest, shout the hardest, that's right. This is a crazy thing. And I think Like also I'm not positive, but also that are least going to ever be affected by any of the policies that are being fucking made and they will.
Eldar:No, but they will. They're probably going to be the front lines of the war, which is inevitable yeah, probably that if that.
Toliy:But I'm talking about those like financial things and like this and that like like you could tell them that policies change or different things change. They'll never know what they're. They don't even know what they're getting taxed at. What percent are you getting taxed at Harris? Yeah, okay, good, you could increase that, you could decrease that. He won't know, he can't even do math.
Harris:If my salary goes if my pay goes down, then something's up, right.
Toliy:His pay might go down, for example, example, but he might be getting a bigger return, and he doesn't even know that, for example but he'll shout the loudest yes, yeah, about like they're gonna do this for this, like you can make all these policies around all these people. They never even know what the differences are between like, they just hang out, like hang on to like the bigger shock value item yes, shock value items. And and like, uh, just just like one thing, maybe, right, yeah, like there was a particular war happening.
Eldar:Hold on one second. Let me ask, harris how do the immigrants affect your life, harris, your personal life? Oh, I'll wait I think, his mic's not working.
Harris:His mic's not working, okay, cool they raised the fucking crime in this fucking country.
Eldar:What do you mean?
Toliy:They fucking make those killer empanadas that he fucking loves.
Eldar:He eats five of them at a time.
Harris:Go to New York, bro, go to New York.
Eldar:Why are you sending me to New York? I live in New Jersey, my friend.
Harris:I know you do Me and you both live in New Jersey. Go to.
Eldar:Tijuana. Go to Tijuana, Mexico. Why don't you go to?
Harris:Russia. Some of the policies we make here affects. Russia Right now. Our taxes. You want to talk about taxes?
Mike:Let's talk about taxes. I have to pay taxes.
Harris:Thank you very much. Let's talk about this. You want to talk about the taxes. Let's put it this way Our taxes are going to their housing, going to benefits, going to their insurance. You want to talk about taxes. That's where it's going.
Toliy:He has no idea what he's talking about at all.
Harris:I have no problem. It's given in grants by the federal government. There's state, the federal government have given New York about over a billion dollars, if you Google right now I'm not sure.
Eldar:I think like 80% goes to military Okay.
Harris:Just like out of random facts. The government has been giving money to the states to house the migrants to do different things. Search up how much the government has given to New York to house them to provide. New Jersey government gave to New York to house them to provide. New Jersey government gave to New York the federal government.
Mike:How much federal tax did you pay in the last 10 years? I want to see how many migrants you housed.
Harris:I didn't house anything bro.
Toliy:You've been housing for 20 years.
Mike:You were working illegally off the books.
Eldar:Totally made a very good point. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Oh damn dude, most people don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
Mike:Nobody knows where the money goes. Are you kidding me, all these fucking?
Toliy:policies and this and that Like come on Right.
Mike:We don't actually know.
Toliy:Yeah, how about this, how about?
Mike:going forward.
Toliy:If a presidential candidate wants to be elected, we need a live tracker of everything that they've said. Anyone can just go access a government site and see the status of all those things and where they're at.
Eldar:If they're running for re-election.
Toliy:Let's compare Apples to apples. If you said that you're going to do this and you do it, no problem, we'll re-elect you. What?
Mike:the hell.
Eldar:What's the problem?
Toliy:you're a man of your word.
Eldar:I don't dive deep into politics to know all these points, like you said, like a list of points who promised what? But I listen to some of this stuff and a lot of stuff on both sides. It's like they promised this they didn't do it. But they promised this, this they didn't do it. But they promised this they didn't do it. And it's an ongoing saga of who it's a it's an absolute clown show that's exactly it's absolutely so what?
Eldar:I'm saying is at the end of the day, wait, hold on one sec. I think the guy who does math really good wants to say something about math. I'm not saying anything about math?
Toliy:okay, cool, uh, so go on I, I, I would say that if we're considered, if we're considered the most powerful of nation, if you see the way that our presidential candidates talk about each other and what they say, it's an absolute embarrassment, I would say, to be in this country and have these kinds of people to represent us, because both people, on both sides, they're more concerned with bashing each other than competently speaking about policy.
Eldar:Bashing each other, yeah than anything else Than competently speaking about policy.
Toliy:Then competently speak that and, being in this country, it should be an embarrassment to have people that these presidential elections are the same thing every time. This guy is going to put the country to dog. Shit. This person is going to put the country to dog shit. I'm going to say something right here, it's just a back and forth thing and we live in it and then kids have to watch and see how they talk to each other and stuff like that. It's embarrassing.
Harris:The government has spent. You ready to hear the number Go ahead $150.7 billion on the migrant crisis. Okay, in 2023. Just 2023. Okay, not including the rest of it, it was $66 billion that was spent on the migrants. That's your tax money going to this. That's the federal government giving all this money.
Eldar:Hey Harris, can you answer one question? Remember that time when we printed all that money. What are?
Harris:you talking about? You don't know this. We didn't print any money. We didn't print any money you don't know this. We didn't print any money. We didn't print any money.
Eldar:You don't know about that.
Toliy:Can you also Google how much we spent, because when Trump was office and the whole COVID situation was completely mishandled, right.
Harris:No one could have prepared for this.
Toliy:Yeah, when that was mishandled, how much did we spend giving everybody money?
Harris:I got news for you. No one could have been prepared for this.
Eldar:He was not aware that the government was printing money.
Toliy:The economy got ruined because the government no one could have prepared for this, my friend you're not even aware that we've printed how many I don't know how many trillions.
Mike:I think when it first popped out it was like three trillion.
Harris:Well, I don't know what to tell you, because no government, no country could prepare for this. Okay, epidemics have been going on for centuries and unfortunately, people fucking die.
Eldar:If pandemics happen for centuries, we have the ability to study them when we didn't study them.
Harris:This is a new strain. We couldn't know what was coming. We couldn't know what was coming until we had it here. We were not ready.
Eldar:We were not competent, so we had leaders in place who were not competent to know that pandemics do happen in the world. You can't control.
Harris:We didn't have evidence of COVID until guess what? It came here. And unfortunately, when the first case came here, that's how it spreads. First person it'd be like whoa, what did you want to do? The first person that came to America, we got to quarantine your ass. We didn't know they had it.
Eldar:You didn't know that we printed all this money during COVID and we gave it all out to the people, and that's how inflation began.
Toliy:Tell me this how did as many people in Brazil and India die from COVID as in the United States?
Harris:We're one of the largest countries dude.
Toliy:In India they're talking about throwing fucking shit at each other and having a fucking disgusting shit. They shower in the same river, bro, and Colby Collins said that Brazil is just a bunch of filthy animals.
Eldar:It's a dump.
Toliy:Yeah, it's a dump.
Harris:One of the biggest countries is going to have a lot more deaths.
Toliy:How do these two countries? Well, what do you mean? How many people are in india compared to united states? Don't ask this question. Huh, I don't give a. Why do you not give a if you just said that we have way more people?
Harris:because we we congested man you want In India? How many people are in India? Way more than here. It's not even close. Yeah, Fuck that bro. Okay, back to what.
Eldar:I was saying yeah, but you can't say anything anymore. Man After Mike exposed you like that, oh my God. You're not even a stand-up citizen to be able to say anything like that, yo, I was not the one that came up with that idea, man. But you put the hair in your cookie jar.
Toliy:You took it, man. What the fuck? You took it deep.
Harris:Yo, I had advisors that fucking advised me to take it.
Eldar:You had a good time right.
Harris:No, I didn't. Of course you did, bro. I was in the shelter when I was getting that, bro. Yeah.
Mike:And we need to spend all that money on man and you want to hear something.
Harris:You want to hear something. The migrants got a better fucking shelters in New York than the fucking residents do. How do you put them in a better shelter than your own fucking residents, your own veterans?
Mike:No, it's not true. They had 12 people living in one hotel room. Man.
Harris:Bro, have you seen? I was on Ward's Island when I saw their assessment center. Wait, you were at the psychiatric island. No, bro, there's like six shelters on a place called Ward's Island.
Mike:I know.
Eldar:Ward's Island. Yeah, harris, let's get back to the point, mike.
Harris:Trump for president 2025, baby Woo.
Toliy:He has brain size of squirrel.
Mike:Yes, Mike, yeah, I always like. The thing I said to you was I always find it very like, especially like I had those questions with my dad. We were talking about politics, yeah, and I was like how do you know? He's like well, I watch the news. I'm like well, how do you know the news?
Toliy:Right, how do you know it's true? Who's telling the truth Right?
Mike:Yo, I know Harris is a numbnuts. Why Not because you told me or totally told me? Yeah, because I see the way he behaves.
Eldar:You see the evidence, I see the way he talks.
Mike:Yeah, I can make decisions for myself based on what.
Harris:I see with my eyes. Oh, fuck you.
Mike:You're not going right now to fucking the budget meeting. You're not going to trace those dollars where they went. You're not going to trace anything.
Eldar:What's a very serious opinion about it. Doesn't that count? No, that's the problem.
Toliy:I think it coincides. Someone who's very educated and knows what they're talking about they're going to conduct themselves a particular way. Someone who's a moron is going to conduct themselves like a moron.
Harris:If you feel that I'm talking about you.
Toliy:That means that you're a moron.
Harris:Mike already fucking said that I supposedly I was a numbnuts and you're saying moron.
Eldar:Oh, no, no, no. What they're both saying is that, look, you know what I mean. Nobody has to, you know, convince them. They don't have to idolize anyone to give them their opinion about Harris.
Harris:They can make their own opinion about. You'd prefer Kamala Harris in office. That's basically what you're saying.
Eldar:The only reason why I was attacking Donald Trump is because you have an attachment to it. Just like I was trolling with Joe my friend Joe, who has a very strong attachment to all this shit I was also doing the same thing. So any time if totally displayed that he has attachment to Harris right now, I'd be fucking gunning him. You know what I mean. It doesn't matter what it is, who it is.
Harris:No, totally Just an attachment to Putin. This guy here is in conversation with Putin.
Toliy:Yeah, but there's no world where you know that I would I mean, like none of us here would have any kind of attachment to Well that's what I'm saying, right?
Eldar:We don't have that. That's why you may be feeling this way that. I'm pro-Harris, I'm definitely to put my energy, and I'm putting my energy right now, for now, for now, for now.
Harris:Because he's allowing us to. I have another question for you guys. Do you care about your rights in this country, which?
Eldar:rights. The one right that I really do care about right now is my right not to vote. Did you know that I had that right? I did, you did.
Mike:Okay.
Harris:So go ahead. Why don't you finish your statement now, do you care?
Eldar:about all your rights. Freedom of speech, your Second Amendment. I care about the rights that will probably affect me, right, for example, the guns right, bare arms is what. What right is that? Second Second Amendment Do you care about the Second Amendment? I don't.
Harris:I don't bear arms. Do you think someone should have the right to choose to bear arms? Yeah, that's cool. That's why you agree with the second amendment, that you have the right to bear arms.
Eldar:Okay, how about this? I agree to have an educated society, which then, in turn, will not need to bear arms to defend itself, because it will govern itself.
Harris:Unfortunately, that is not in the cards right now.
Eldar:This is the type of conversation I'm trying to have Okay For me to have, for you to have a gun like, okay, cool, you want to have a gun and protect yourself, so what?
Harris:So I have permission to get a permit and bring it to the office. My friend, you can't get on the phone call and say a speech.
Eldar:Normally, this is what I care about. Normally, this is what I care about. You know what I'm saying? I don't care about the fucking you carrying a fucking gun because you're a loser or you're a pussy.
Harris:You know what I'm saying. This world is fucked up.
Eldar:Which world, my man, we're in it. Which world?
Harris:You can walk outside and you can have a fucking good shot. Okay, sure, but isn't?
Toliy:that everywhere, exactly, you're more likely to shoot yourself than to fucking shoot somebody else.
Eldar:You come here into the office and you shoot yourself in the foot every single day. You got a gun. You can protect yourself. You lost $400, making a bet in one day. Do you understand this?
Harris:I'm a gambler. What do you want me to say?
Eldar:You're going to lose your life. If you have a gun, this is what you will lose. You have a higher chance of losing your life by having a gun.
Harris:You specifically no, okay, I don't think so.
Toliy:Okay, you think or don't think a lot of things. It's very evident.
Harris:Oh, fuck you.
Toliy:And the proof is in the pudding.
Eldar:Oh, fuck you. So I don't know what you're trying to pigeonhole me into, these rights and all this other crap.
Harris:I care about my rights as an American. Okay, all my rights. I have the freedom of speech, I have the free.
Toliy:You don't have freedom of speech my man. You can't talk to your dad.
Eldar:You can't talk to people on the phone, you can't call yourself, you can't be yourself. You can't be yourself.
Harris:I can be myself.
Eldar:You get owned by your brothers. You get owned by your dad. You get owned by your dad. You get owned by the prospects. Where are you yourself? Only when you locked in bedroom with Crespo, oh fuck you, that doesn't count.
Eldar:Fuck you, bro. You see that you know what you should care about. You should care about me. The fact that you come through this door and you able to be yourself you know the rights of this company gives you the right to be yourself. I can't just walk your. Be yourself. I can't just walk your dumb ass can now walk out there into the world with your fucking rights and enjoy your life.
Harris:You understand this or no? I can't walk the streets and go like yo fuck you man. What's up Exactly?
Eldar:So what are you talking about? But no, you're not answering my question. Gun, gun rights. When did you apply for your permit? I'm still working on it. How long are you going'm still working on it. How long you gonna be working on?
Harris:it. Oh, fuck you what. What are some steps?
Eldar:that you took to fucking work towards it. None man, you're a fucking paper tiger. No, I'm gonna get it.
Harris:John's been talking about the same thing. Man, it's all right.
Eldar:Why are you putting john behind you. Now again, there you go. Right, this is it you can't stand on you can't stand on your own, you can't reason for yourself, you need someone, somebody else. So you start idolizing people, right?
Harris:I'm not idolizing anybody, bro.
Eldar:What's his name? I'm voting for Harris because the guy fucking what's his name right now? The big guy on Twitter right now fucking promoting her what's her name? The basketball fucking owner, mark Cuban. We love Mark Cuban. He's a successful basketball owner.
Eldar:Steve Kerr, steph Curry you start going behind their reasons. Lebron James just fucking said it. Look, lebron James is the greatest of all time. He knows it all. You can't stand on your own, so you're going to start mentioning names. You're going to start hiding behind those people. Of course you know. So I think idolizing is a crazy, crazy phenomena that actually puts us down completely, right, completely. The only thing you should be idolizing is probably reason, logic, right, and that's not necessarily in any one person. Right, it could be in you. You can develop those qualities. You can be a in any one person. Right, it could be in you. You can develop those qualities. You can be a stand-up person.
Toliy:You can develop virtues, yeah, but you're talking about something that's like so far Removed, yeah, so far like away from these types of people. That's crazy. They like like rah-rah, shit, you know.
Harris:You got to understand us, right. Who's us? I don't wanna be a fucking douche here, right? White people. No, you guys legally immigrated here, correct? When you were kids. How do you know this? You told me, mike came by boat.
Mike:Okay, from Cuba, he wasn't born in Cuba, I swam across the Cuba oh, stop it.
Harris:But what I'm saying is it was engraved in us. Okay, what was? What was the ones that were born here, my mom, my dad, right? Are you some type?
Mike:of stupid what you're about to say bro, Listen I don't even know what he's saying.
Harris:You read his mind. It was engraved into us that the rights, that our rights need to be cherished. Our rights, every right we got. We got the right to vote, we got the freedom of speech, we got the Second Amendment, we got everything. They might not agree with it, but you have to cherish those rights.
Toliy:Who told you this? Yeah, but what rights do you exercise, like? What rights do you actually cherish, use, yeah and cherish what have you done for those rights, man?
Harris:yeah, but you don't have freedom of speech like what have you done for this country that you can go up to a cop right now and go tell him fuck you and he cannot arrest you. But he might, he might. But then there's a lawsuit saying he just arrested you for using freedom.
Eldar:There's a lot of things that you can do like that everywhere. You know what I mean, but it doesn't mean that you're actually going to go do it. That's how you want to exercise your freedom of speech no, but I'm just stating you have freedom of speech. You're not saying anything. You're not. You know why? Because, at the end of the day, what you want to do, you can't do. Harris. Oh, oh yeah, yeah, uh-huh. What are you? What are?
Mike:you gonna do, sometimes you gotta control yourself.
Harris:You can't go out there just telling people how you feel, how you want to control yourself because, yeah, the government can't do anything about it, but you can still get shot by another citizen, but you still have the right of freedom of speech.
Eldar:What does the right give you, though? I don't understand? It gives you the right to say it. Sure, but then you might get punched in the mouth by another citizen. So what are we talking about here?
Eldar:Yeah, Now if you said something, I have right of freedom of speech and I can say whatever I want and I'm immune from any kind of trouble. Okay, I'll give you that. But that's not the truth of the matter. The truth of the matter is, if you tell one cop or the other, one cop won't say shit because he has good temperament, Another cop will punch you right in the face and not give a fuck, and then you have to go fight the system. But all the cops in the same gang and they're not going to fucking rat on one another. Nobody saw anything.
Harris:You fell, you fell, you fell Sometimes body cams what's his name?
Eldar:don't work either. The battery's bad. Come on, man Harris. You're making up fucking stupid stories. You watch too many movies, yeah.
Harris:They do internal investigations all the time.
Mike:Cherish your fucking rights. This is what's not letting you sleep at night. Right that you can't go tell a cop fuck.
Harris:My mom called the cops on us when we were younger and we were out of control. I told the cop with all due respect, I don't like fucking cops. There you go. That's fake news, man. No.
Mike:I didn't. You don't know what that even means how old were you 14.
Toliy:You were a 14 year old kid and you told this to a cop.
Mike:Who gives a fuck?
Eldar:Okay, what do you mean? He exercised his right to freedom of speech.
Mike:That's what our father is for.
Eldar:Yeah, you ought to cherish this man. You don't cherish this. This is a very important part of his life, man.
Harris:It's a moment in his life. No, what I'm saying is Freedom of speech is important. Do you not agree that you can go out in this world, not saying we're not thinking that someone can shoot you? Okay, but you can go out in this world, you can protest. Okay, right, freely, okay. Sure, some things happen if the protests get violent. My friend, how many times have you protested?
Toliy:Yeah, like, no, like. No one's talking about these rights, but you're so strong behind them but you don't exercise any of them, you don't use any of them. Are you not happy with what's going on in the world? Yeah, like you don't protest, you don't speak out, you don't carry a gun. Yeah, like you don't do any of this shit, so how can you have all these opinions behind it? I care about the rights.
Harris:I might not express them right away.
Toliy:Yeah, but how can you care about something that you don't like? Well he's ramping up. Maybe one day he will protest. Oh, one day you will, yeah.
Harris:Oh, fuck you yeah.
Eldar:Do you realize that what you're saying is just not holding water, at least in this little circle?
Harris:Well, in this circle not, but I'm sure some of the viewers would agree. Okay, yeah. I hope that some of the viewers will agree with you.
Eldar:You know why? Because those are the ones we actually are trying to help. I don't think the people that are agreeing with us are necessarily our listeners. Yes or no? Yeah, for a while, so we can have like a what just you know a kumbaya about the same shit. Truth of the matter is, we actually disagree with some of the stuff you're saying and it just doesn't hold water like, okay, cool, it's so important for you, but again, tell us, when did you exercise? When is the last time you went and and voted locally for board of education, for example?
Mike:have you actually thought about how these, like these things that, um, that you like uh heard somewhere else. I'm gonna say you heard somebody else told you this is the reasons. Have you ever thought how they actually personally affect your life? Absolutely not. How, harris. How does the freedom of speech affect your life? Like right now, you live in this miserable life because you don't have freedom of speech or you're not allowed to carry a gun. Tell me, please, how bad your life is. Tell me how bad your life was when Joe Biden was president. Oh my God, or Donald Trump, or Obama or Bill Clinton, he was homeless during Donald Trump's golden era.
Harris:Donnie fucked you man, donnie, didn't fuck me, bro, covid fucked me.
Mike:COVID was a good time for a lot of people. What happened to you, man?
Eldar:Donnie didn't come for your rescue man. You know who came for your rescue, who? Papa Eldar.
Harris:Remember that.
Eldar:Remember who sent you vitamins.
Harris:Yeah, okay.
Mike:The gig is up. Man, those guys don't care about you, boy.
Eldar:That the gig is up. Man, those guys don't care about you, boy. That's what I'm saying. Right, fuck it. You got the wrong people idolizing the wrong people. You know what I mean. You're idolizing someone. You don't even know what the fuck's going on, so you're constantly just adding more and more and more of understanding like, oh, this is important, this is important.
Toliy:You keep giving away your own power to someone else yeah, yeah, how yeah it's just more like the thing is the idolizing away your own power to someone else.
Eldar:How it's vampires.
Mike:Mob mentality. The idolizing is like yo, donald Trump. He can do a lot for me In this fake story that you tell yourself the guy with the suit. Did you ask how does Papa Elder done for you what?
Harris:Well, think about it, he's giving me a job. What else gave me vitamins? Big d d opportunity, uh-huh, uh, set up the whole. Yeah, that's irrelevant stuff. Man, that's irrelevant right now, that's easy peasy stuff right now giving me advice, uh trying to set me up for success.
Eldar:Opportunity Trying to give you knowledge. You're with Mike now. He's your advisor Totally. He's your mentor, right you get paid this white Ukrainian right here.
Harris:That's right you get educated. Yeah, have they called you back for the war yet?
Toliy:I'm your daddy. Huh, I'm your daddy.
Mike:You know what I'm saying. So we just listed a few things that we, as a collective, have done.
Eldar:Impacted your life, that's impacted your life.
Mike:What car is he?
Eldar:driving. He's driving a better car than all three of us sitting down right here.
Mike:What do you mean?
Eldar:What? What do you mean, bro? You know your car is the most expensive car out of all of our cars here.
Harris:Even your brand new, even my brand new. Model 3?.
Eldar:Even my brand new. I've been paying for that car for the last three years and it still costs more than my car that I paid just now, Jesus Christ.
Mike:No, the monthly payment is the highest just straight up, just straight up, and the purchase price.
Eldar:Well, you got that before the incentives right, but still even if you buy a new Model 3Y right now, performance it's more than the fucking 3 performance.
Harris:But you got this before the incentives came.
Eldar:Do you understand this or no? What have?
Mike:Donald.
Harris:Trump or Ronald?
Mike:McDonald done for you? Fuck you, the people that you care so much about, that you're defending so much. What have they done for you?
Eldar:Hey, I want to stand up. Deaf Papa Elder goes what your wish is my command.
Mike:That's it.
Harris:I want an ice bath. That your wish is my command. That's it. Yeah, I want an ice bath. That's next. No, problem.
Eldar:You understand this? Yeah, well, like I said, I think that we get hypnotized by the idols.
Mike:Yeah, the fake idols right yeah.
Eldar:But the most important thing is, we completely give away our own strength and our own dignity, yeah, and we become what Pussies, and that's how we get in a segment to this thing where we actually have no self-esteem to be able to then stand up for ourselves. So we stand on the backs of so-called giants that are fucking clowns. Bro, they're clowns. Their words mean nothing. They're not going to reach out and help you or grab you. You know what I mean. They don't give a fuck about you.
Mike:You're on the front lines. What has Donnie done for you, or what?
Eldar:do you think he's going to do for you? What is President Harris going to do for him? What is she going to?
Mike:do? What's Kamal going to do?
Harris:It's something that's going to impact you directly in your life.
Eldar:Right he's not going to be able to protest anymore.
Harris:Hopefully Donnie can keep us out of war. I thought you said hoping was dead. Don't do that. I hope he can keep us out of the war. That's what you got to focus on, Because right now we are close to.
Toliy:World War III how do?
Harris:you know that the war is not a good thing. It's not a good thing. How do you know that? Because we're going to have a lot of problems you want to talk about inflation.
Eldar:Why Don't you what's the name? Look up to all those soldiers and stuff the vets that came back, and stuff the old heroes and stuff?
Harris:From Iraq.
Mike:Afghanistan.
Harris:I don't want those guys going to war, right, because, first of all, no one wants war.
Eldar:Yeah, but if it's necessary, then you do it right.
Harris:The war has been fought for many years, that's the problem with this country is we cannot stay out of war If World War III comes. The draft is coming back.
Eldar:You'll be the last one to call, so you shouldn't be worrying about that, I'm exempt, I'm exempt, that's what I'm saying.
Mike:So what do you care? You're going to chill over here. People die every day.
Harris:I don't want to see my friends go to war, get drafted which ones. I don't want to see these young people go out and die. If it's an unnecessary war.
Eldar:You think young people right now dying in the hood?
Harris:Sure, they're dying in the hood, unfortunately.
Eldar:Yeah, you know that makes you feel a certain type of way.
Mike:They're dying for the cause, though for the hood, so it's different.
Harris:Not all of them are these gangbangers, mike. Some people die, and that are innocent, just caught in drive-bys, you know, because unfortunately, they live in a bad area.
Eldar:The the thing is, it's just a recycling of like.
Toliy:It's been downloaded and the recording has been playing and just you just play the recording yeah, I think people who idolize the most like they they have no chance, or like maybe they just feel they have no chance. If you idolize like really let's say you have a very high level of idolization you probably have no chance to amount to anything oh, my god, you heard what you just said, or no?
Eldar:if you can repeat this, I'll give you $10, word for word.
Harris:He said that if you believe all this shit, you cannot. You're not gonna amount to anything. You probably earned a dollar, oh fuck you yeah, that's basically what he's saying, bro.
Eldar:You won't amount to anything, no, he specifically talked about idolization idolizing others yeah exactly if you're really idolizing someone really really idolize someone or something you're probably not going to amount to anything. Oh, fuck you, man, Because you're forever a fan.
Toliy:Yeah, the biggest dick riders of all these things. They're the biggest losers.
Eldar:Fuck man.
Toliy:Think of it of like Andrew Tate.
Harris:Okay, so Mark Cuban is the biggest loser he could be no, it biggest loser he could be? No, it's not, he could be. He idolizes Kamala Harris, he stands with him. So this person you say you have all respect for, you can't have respect for him Because guess what?
Toliy:Wait, who said you have his respect for him.
Harris:Eldar said oh, this guy man, he owns the Mavs and all this shit.
Toliy:Wait, wait, wait. When did Eldar say that he has respect for Mark Cuban? Isn't?
Harris:that what you were just saying, dude? Are you asking me or are you telling me? I'm asking?
Eldar:You have respect for.
Harris:Mark Cuban. The way you were talking it sounded like you had respect for Mark Cuban. Do you have respect for Mark Cuban?
Eldar:Harris, I think you have a very difficult deal of listening. Yeah, okay, and comprehension.
Harris:Yes, the way you were talking about it. Let's put it this way, Harris how about this?
Eldar:You want to put some money on the line so you can learn a lesson, another lesson? No, I don't.
Toliy:Yeah, I got $1,000 on it.
Harris:$1,000 on it, yeah. So what? I, these people aren't going to amount to anything, which is I'm going to say it get ready, cause the mic's about to drop. Okay, it's complete and total horse shit, okay, okay, because Mark Cuban, right, he's a huge, huge believer supporter, right? And Kamala Harris, that motherfucker's a billionaire. He created fucking companies that fucking amounted to God knows what, and you think that he got there by constantly idolizing Kamala?
Harris:Harris, I'm just saying no, no, no. He's totally claiming that right, idolizing other people. Maybe he idolized other people, you don't know. But guess what? He idolizes people. Other people are idolizing Elon Musk, idolizing Donald Trump. What you got to say about that? Come on, spit it out.
Mike:That took a lot of hairs I like it.
Harris:Spit it out, man Elon Musk. What about him? Man Giving out millions of dollars? What?
Eldar:impression do you have to be to be able to then challenge someone?
Toliy:Yeah, on the complete. You have to be in like a In retard land but at least we know the bar.
Eldar:Yeah, oh, fuck you man every time you set the bar. You does this not mean you set the bar higher, you set the bar lower, but at least we understand where the bar is I'm just stating everyone can have their fucking opinions doesn't mean, they're not going to succeed.
Harris:Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I can believe in donald trump, but I can eventually succeed at sales. It might take a little bit but I can succeed.
Eldar:Impossible, yeah, impossible.
Harris:Then what are we doing here?
Eldar:Well, we know what we're doing. It's for you to find out. It's for you to find out, we know.
Toliy:Yeah, you would have to tell us what we're doing here, right? Yeah, because in normal circumstances we would not be doing this, we would not be doing here.
Eldar:Right, yes or no. Yeah, yeah, you would have been fired, you would have been canned.
Mike:Donald Trump would have laid your ass off. Boy, You're fired.
Eldar:You're fired. Yeah, we should reach out to Donald Trump and tell him you know. Yeah, we should reach out to Donald Trump and tell him you know.
Harris:Yeah maybe Donald Trump should show him this thing cameo.
Eldar:He'll come right on here like he'll never he'll never step foot in this room he'll probably take a picture with me he'll never step foot in this room if he ever heard or understood what the fuck we're saying here. He's the biggest pussy out there.
Harris:Understand biggest pussy out there, don't diss the man like that.
Eldar:I'm telling you how it is, bro. He would never step fucking a foot in this room. If he has any sense, any sense, he would never step a fucking foot in here.
Harris:It'd be over for him. So would you agree? Let's use your friend Joe for a minute? That he's not going to amount to anything, because he obviously feels the same way about Trump, correct?
Eldar:Well, joe's lucky because he watched the. What's his name? Bronxdale? Right In Bronxdale they have a very specific message right to the little kids Like, hey, you are, you're idolizing this guy, mickey Mantle. You know this baseball player, you know he saw, suddenly he saw that like you're crying. Why are you crying for him? You know, like what's going on with you. You're spending this emotion, this energy, these feelings. You know what I mean. He gives him advice. He's like, hey, like, is Mickey Mantle going to take care of you? Is he going to take care of your dad?
Harris:Is he?
Eldar:going. Obviously, trump is not going to pay my bills. I already know that, but it doesn't mean I can feel a certain way, man. But you got to understand that when you start putting that type of energy into someone, into something right, what happens a lot of the times? Right, the part of idolizing others right. You start inheriting problems, their problems, right, and what happens next thing? You know you have to defend those problems and those ideals that they stand for, like you're doing here. Right, what you're doing right now? You're spitting some nonsense towards us. You're getting shut down, but you're still fighting. The reason you're fighting is because you idolize other people, and people fed this garbage into your brain and now you have to stand behind those ideas and that's why you have to fight. So what happens is you're clogged with this nonsense. Therefore, the shit that you actually need to be learning, right, like the, totally, what's doing right now is trying to mentor you and help you out with real knowledge. Right, he's teaching you how to fish. We know where the fish is at. I'm trying to explain to you that, instead of concentrating on the fishing rod, that totally is giving you and explaining to you how the fishing rod works.
Eldar:Right, you over there, standing over there fighting somebody saying that Donald Trump's a good guy, that he's going to do this, he's going to do that. You're not paying attention at all what's actually going to affect your life, right? Because you bought in into this nonsense, into this machine. Now you have tears, now you're crying. It's like, oh, donald Trump hurt himself. Oh fuck, now I'm upset. You know what I mean. Like, oh no, they're hurting Donald Trump. Oh no, every time I show you something about Donald Trump getting dissed, you're like fuck you man, fuck you man. You have a reaction. You know what I mean.
Eldar:Just like I was throwing my friend Joe, right, I was throwing stuff at him. Throwing stuff at him, joe, I just feel like you compromised and I don't want to see my friend compromised. I wanted to remind him that I care for Joe. I don't care for Joe, who is compromised, right, very specifically about this specific arena, about politics and stuff like that, because I don't want him to fall into this type of prey. You know what I mean. So this is what's happening, right? So I think that Joe sometimes maybe comes out for air and understands what things are, and then sometimes he gets, you know, he goes underwater again For you. Unfortunately, you've been there for so long that you don't have any skills. You don't amount to anything yet, and the more you idolize that stuff, the more that stuff is dear to your heart. Most likely, you're going to not do anything. You're just going to be the front lines of the war.
Harris:This thing's going to end up, just it's going to be over at election time.
Mike:Yeah sick, it's almost over. Man. Mr Gary said the same stuff, bro, that he's saying and the conviction is crazy.
Eldar:The thing is, when he wins, let's just say he wins, right. What are you going to do now?
Toliy:What do you mean? Meetings are going to be booked left and right. Yeah, it's gonna be golden streets. Yeah, yeah, right, what he's gonna kill it on the sales calls. That's it. Yeah, it's gonna be great.
Harris:I can't wait fuck you guys, man right now, everybody has to look within.
Eldar:This is what I'm trying to. Totally just give the shortcut to it. Right now, you have to look okay, cool. Well, the problem is still the problems.
Harris:Right. So you're basically saying all of America is compromised?
Eldar:Oh, dude, you don't understand man. I think that we need probably World War Three in order to cleanse the people, and I'm not sure if anybody has this take Right. But we might need a war in order for people to finally fucking slow down and shut the fuck up and calm down and start to rebuild.
Toliy:No way. What Like one war? I don't think is enough.
Eldar:Not one war. No, my family. Is that what it's headed to?
Mike:That's what it sounds like what it feels like my family. Why do you need a war, though?
Eldar:Well, the war is inevitable.
Mike:Why do you need a war if the mines are already fried?
Eldar:Well, we need to just physically remove them. You have to physically remove them. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, you don't wish that, you don't want that. It's almost like an inevitable thing. Yeah, it's like oh, the domino's gonna hit, it's gonna fall and it's gonna hit all these other dominoes. You know what I mean? That's just the way it is, because the war is already going on. It's a mental war right now. I mean, obviously there's war in israel, there's war in ukraine.
Mike:These things are already popping out of kidnapping people's brains is in full effect.
Eldar:It's full effect. It's always been right so sooner or later.
Eldar:Right, they're gonna say I already hear this rhetoric on x. Right, a lot of people say, hey, are you ready? And they're like for what? What do you mean for what? When, when, if these elections get stolen, what are we doing? What are they doing? Are they doing the fucking, the riot again at the capitol hill? Are they rising up and doing a revolution? What are they doing? People are already calling for this, you understand. Yeah, for very specific violence. Right, the rhetoric is there. What are we doing? And people are asking, the ones that are gullible like this. They're asking because they don't know. Right, they're like yo, I'm so emotionally and mentally compromised here. Right, I'm compromised, like I'm in it already, but they don't say that. Right, they're like yo, what do I do? They need direction, they need a voice. You know what I'm saying, and all you need is an individual, right, with a voice that individual was.
Eldar:You know how many individuals came from before and said yo, we gotta do this, go for this, go fight, go do this, your boy Big H, you know what I'm saying. And that's it. Yeah, and it starts, you know what I mean.
Toliy:Yeah, my mom was actually saying that, like during. Like my mom she studies like history a lot. I guess Like she's very interested in like you know what, what happened before and stuff like that. Right, yeah. And she basically was saying that like um, hitler, uh, when he was in power, right Um, the way he got so many people behind him, like I mean, like a lot of people know him to be like a good speaker.
Mike:Right, yeah, like one thing yeah.
Toliy:Persuasive, yeah, right, yeah, a good speaker, right, yeah, like one thing, yeah, persuasive, yeah right, yeah, um, but they, they basically were saying that, um, the whole government agenda was basically everybody that was in germany, right, that was um, um, uh, not happy and living poorly. How to talk to them? Right, yeah, they, they would talk to them. Yeah, over they, yeah, they would talk to them. Yeah, they would invest time into speaking to all the people. That's right. And they would tell them, like yo, you know why you're not getting that promotion at work.
Toliy:That's right. It's because of the Jews. That's right. Do you know why you don't have enough money for two loaves of bread? Yeah, it's because of the jews yeah, yeah, no, I know, I know right, they found the scapegoat. Yeah, they kept, they kept spreading this thing, yeah, where it was like their lives are not good because of their people. And then those are their people because, like um, they had bad lives and they didn't have the abilities to figure out. Why correct they eventually just like agreed well what do you mean?
Eldar:of course, course they bought in. They start seeing the vision.
Toliy:Yes, you start growing this army of hate Because people who have bad lives, for example, and they don't know why, there has to be a reason.
Eldar:An individual who's powerful, who's able to speak in such a way, right Doesn't have a moral compass, right or regard for life, for example, right Can't tune in and hit those. That's a good sales guy, yeah, it's a good marketer, right. Of course, who knows the pain points that he's talking about? Use those pain points, right.
Mike:To get a very specific action out of very specific individuals. Well, the pain points for most people, isn't it for the general population? Is it not the same? Isn't everybody complaining about the same thing? Yeah, mostly you know.
Eldar:So the type of internet is like, and during those times, I don't know, there was turmoil. The Germany wasn't shit.
Toliy:Yeah, the country was downhill. Yeah, yeah, yeah, first world war correct. Yeah, and the dumb people did not. Well, I mean like just people, probably like in the um general, like they couldn't figure out, like what was going on or why so they? They had somebody who explained to them it's this because of these people.
Toliy:So we have to hate them and we have to eliminate them, and if you do that, your life will be great. Yeah, right, we'll start with the immigrants. Yeah and yeah, um, one one thing I was thinking about like these, like rights that we talk about, uh-huh right, like like, I mean, I guess for some people like the right to bear arms and all that is very important, but like the ones that I think are probably more priorities, like freedom, right, and like what? Like freedom of speech.
Toliy:Yeah, freedom, right, and like what? Freedom of speech, yeah, freedom of speech. And then like what?
Eldar:Freedom of expression and religion. What Religion is one? Yeah, like religion, practice your religion.
Toliy:Yeah, having like democracy, yeah, Like these things, right, that people fight for. But, like we were talking about before before, the really interesting part is that, um, people typically work jobs where they cannot express themselves. And if you're talking about they work a job, let's say they work what? Like eight to ten hours a day, plus commute, plus all these different things. Yeah, right, like I. I think, at least for most people, right like work is like, um, like work and the commute and all that that involves. It is probably like 50 percent of their time being awake, right, yeah, throughout the day. Yeah right, um, so like, the way that they live their lives, they don't express any of these freedoms. They're not who they want to be. They like pretend to dress particular ways or like act particular ways and, yeah, like they, they don't express any of these freedoms that we're talking about here yeah all right, yeah, so what?
Toliy:what are they fighting for?
Eldar:they had these things taken away from them by themselves yeah, for a very long time, and they continue to submit to them yeah, they could.
Toliy:Yeah, they continue to submit to them. They don't have any yeah like, yeah it. It seems like um, to me at least, the biggest problem in in like idolization is a lack of individuality, right well you can't, you can't build it.
Eldar:Yeah, those two, those, it's oil and water yeah, yeah.
Toliy:People who are individuals are not idolizers, and people who are individuals are not idolizers and people who are idolizers are not. They're not individuals they're, they're like numbers they're just like they're person three, four, six, two, nine, that's right. Right, that's right. Like they're inmates, correct, correct, that's it. Yeah, they, they, they subscribe to a prison system that they vote for every four years, that they pass every four years to keep the shackles on them.
Eldar:Yeah, and then what?
Toliy:It just recycles over and over again.
Eldar:Yeah, you know, but it's something to do. No, yeah, it's something to do. Whatever it is, stay busy.
Mike:Right, for them, it's something to do no, yeah, it's something to do. Whatever it is, stay busy right for them.
Eldar:It's something to do, it's something to be part of right like I see, a lot of people are very passionate about this. Yeah it's.
Toliy:Yeah, there's no feeling, and I think that we can all agree to this there's no feeling that a person can have like being part of something right.
Toliy:Yeah, we all have it for our own yeah, things that we do together right for sure, you can't beat that yeah you can't beat that and um, like I forget which topic we were talking about, but I remember saying that, um, the best part about all these things, that it doesn't matter if you're like, you know, gay, trans, black, white, asian, whatever you are, when you're part of that thing, that's it. Everyone accepts you yeah damn dude.
Eldar:How'd you lose your way, man? What do you mean? How'd you lose your way, man? What do you mean? Like? How'd you like? Went astray? I don't know How'd you become like a, a stray dog? What led you to this point? Like what? What led you to this point? I? Don't know, do you sense that something's off or everything is like copacetic?
Harris:In my life. No, things are off.
Eldar:Okay, so there is something like you feel that is off.
Mike:Sure.
Toliy:What's off?
Eldar:I don't know, not this part.
Harris:No, so what's?
Toliy:off. I don't know, not this part, no, so what's off.
Eldar:Listen the distractions. The distractions serve their purpose, mike. They do. You know what I mean. You know why? Because the distractions and the beef that you might have in the political sphere with your friends or whatever you beef in, are not bigger than your, for example, a personal life with your parents, or a personal life with your girlfriend or your boyfriend, or your financial issues. That kind of calms it down a little bit.
Toliy:It's funny you bring up beef. I was listening to a clip. It was Fat Joe on a Chan a chan and sharps like podcast and he was talking about, like, I mean the, the. The initial topic is that like, why, why, even so, like after after so long? Like, apparently there's some big beef between java rule and 50 cent? Yeah, like they hate each other and they still hate each other, yeah, even like 20 years later. Yeah, right, and then, like he was just explaining that he tries to um, like, uh, like, like, like, educate young people and talk about this, about how, like all these rappers and all these people, they spend more time investing in beefing with each other, right, not realizing that their beef is costing them money and costing their families like money and costing them, like you know, well-being and all this stuff, different stuff.
Toliy:Because now, like, uh, uh, they won't work with that record label, they won't work with this, they won't get those deals, yeah, but they're so invested in all these like fake beasts that, like they live their lives, these people don't even see each other, they don't do it and do anything, but they have all these strong opinions and these beefs that they're for forming yeah instead of like not not having these beefs and then just like living your life, like and and you know he he's more talking about in a financial, yeah, way, but like, um, he, he was, he was bringing an example, he, he was supposed to get like, uh, he lost $20 million a while ago because he was supposed to get a Fat Joe Jordan made and instead they made it for, like Travis Scott, they made those, yeah, and he lost it because there was someone that I forget who he said that he was beefing with at the time.
Toliy:Oh, it was 50 Cent. He was beefing with 50 Cent at the time, yeah, and then he was abouting with 50 cent at the time, yeah, and then, like he was about to sign the deal with jordan and then, and then jordan call, he's like yo, sorry, I can't 50 advise that.
Toliy:Do it. He's like, sorry man, that's it, you know. So he's like because I have this beef with an individual, I'm losing on a 20 million dollar partnership.
Toliy:Yeah, yeah, he's like we don't even see each other, we don't talk to each other, but we just have this online fucking bs going on, yeah, and now we can't sign deals. And he's like this is going on with other people, people who like jay-z, don't like jay-z. Yeah, you can't sign you because jay-z's not gonna like that and he's part of our stuff. Yeah, yeah, you know. Yeah, so it's like, yeah, people spend more time with these fucking political fights political fights, all these divisions living their own lives.
Eldar:That's right, you know all these divisions, yeah, yeah, all these divisions?
Mike:yeah, but is it a way to connect? Well, definitely a way to disconnect, yeah well, no, you connect with the people in your party well, yeah that's the whole thing. Is that like?
Toliy:if you're like, if, if you have a strong opinion on one of these things, you're part of something. You have purpose now. If you don't have any of these things you're just a loser.
Mike:So that's what's driving it.
Toliy:I think that's a big variable. Not being a loser is big.
Mike:You're just a lonely man. You need a little wolf pack in that hangover mood. Yeah, bro, I think so. I think that if you really study, if you were to just lonely- man you need.
Eldar:You need like a little wolf pack, like in that. Uh, yeah, yeah, bro, like I think. So I think that, uh, if you really study, if you were to take a, you know, go and really interview, if these people can be really like honest with you about some of the questions, about like yeah, like, like we, we were working out right and there was a guy in front of us I don't know if you saw.
Toliy:He had like a like, a mega hat on like like this I like the, the tricep machine that we were at um, but like I guarantee you you could go into any bar, any gym. Like you see someone wearing that hat and you're like go trump man yeah, like I'm up to you, he's gonna shake your hand. You're gonna do like a little hug each other, bro. How well thing right and instantly you guys connect, you're in, you're in, right.
Eldar:Yeah, you guys know nothing about each other yeah, yeah, like, and Harry's talking about the world war, right? For example, we have a war already and that's the thing. Like the mental war, nobody's counting for right, the division that we have. I mean, as you see these videos, people fighting and shit like that and ripping ripping up signs like people you know, ripping up trump signs, these people ripping up their signs. It's like you know, flying these flags, those flags, like it's.
Toliy:It's a crazy thing yeah, they also like made it that like, if you're um in a position of like a leadership or you're like looked like a, like uh looked up to for things like you know, in sports or different things, people have an expectation for you to have a strong opinion on this, and if you don't, it's almost like a weird thing. Yeah, like they expect top. You know, like I don't know whoever like baseball players, basketball players like you know, they almost expect them to like uh yeah, you had enough no man, I gotta get off early, man, tomorrow all right, man.
Mike:We'll see you tomorrow, bro, alright man you wanna give your final thoughts, or you? Good, yeah, I'll give my final thoughts yo, why don't you give?
Harris:us our final thoughts, your final thoughts. Everyone has their own, I guess, opinions right?
Eldar:I'm sure Donald Trump ain't gonna pay my bills, harris, harris, the topic, I wanna remind you before you know, alzheimer's kicked in. Yeah, I already know what it is. The topic was about how far and how bad is it for us to idolize others Like how detrimental is it to our health, to our mental health, to our self-esteem?
Harris:Is it bad to have something to fight for?
Eldar:I would say no, but I think that you underestimate how important it is to know what you're fighting for is.
Toliy:Yeah, maybe the other, being under the impression about fighting for the wrong thing, gives you the longevity to live long enough to maybe learn to fight for the right thing.
Eldar:Okay, if you survive, yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead your question.
Toliy:Did we answer your question Because, like you having a strong opinion, right, for example, on something yeah, if, if you're able to physically live yeah right and keep somewhat of a mind intact yeah right, it might give you enough time to buy, to give yourself an opportunity to figure it out hey, I got 25 years man no, that's how I think that you'll be in good hands if you, if you're gonna do this for 25 years, harris, you don't understand that there was never in history of evolution recorded from a monkey to go into a human.
Eldar:Oh, fuck you man.
Mike:Transform into a human. That never happened.
Eldar:That never happened. No, I'd like to prove the world otherwise.
Harris:All right, we will see, we'll see, all right, well, so hang tight and um stay strong to the American people, yeah, stay strong, because they're gonna need you.
Eldar:Man, we're gonna need you oh man, alright man, I'm getting help outta here you don't have to do all that, you don't have to do the drama thing.
Toliy:We still accept you, we still love you.
Eldar:We're still gonna be open arms here on Monday.
Mike:It's all good man, it's all good, don't worry about it. Even if you don't come back, you don't have to do the whole like hey dad, oh fuck it.
Toliy:Yeah, you're a strong independent king. Yeah.
Eldar:So, yeah, Get back to this. Do we have final thoughts? This is a crazy topic. Idolizing others is a crazy. I would say it's Bro. It's such a crime against yourself it's unbelievable to me right now. The more I think about it, the more I digest it's. More and more you put yourself away from discovering who you really are and some of the abilities that you have as a human being to be able to reason through things, to see things for what they are and then be able to create a very specific world for yourself that you would like to live in yeah, yeah.
Toliy:I think the only thing that you should be, I like, I mean like, like we were talking about, like you know, truth and logic and all these things but I think maybe a good thing to start idolizing is is moments, right, okay, like spend on that um, so like, for example, like if mike had a moment where he was uh standing up for himself or showing respect to others, like or you were doing something good, or I'm doing something good, we should each other idolize each other in those moments, that we should idolize those moments of showing that kind of displaying that kind of behavior, but if you're a piece of shit five minutes after, you're not idolizing that.
Eldar:Yeah, you're not. You can't idolize that. Yeah, it's almost moment-to-moment. Behaviors that are rooted in truth, that display high level of character yes, that's it.
Toliy:Very easy and healthy to.
Mike:To idolize, yeah, but you got to be careful like you said yeah, right, that in itself is above, like uh, above us, like that virtuous thing that's like supersedes, yeah, like I don't know the right word, but like it's above. Virtuous things are just like a higher kind of yeah. Yeah, I think that you can'tize, because it's not, it's the paradox again. It doesn't take away from your thing, it's like by tapping into those things.
Toliy:Yeah, you can't. What's very interesting, I think, is that the things that you can idolize, that are guaranteed to not like, cause you any harm in that kind of way right, they're only going to be good things are things that are built by default to not have a horse in the race Agreed, agreed, 100% agreed.
Toliy:You know, and that's why you can't idolize people, because people have a horse in the race. But the concept of respect in that moment, the concept of love in that moment, the concept of truth in that moment, the concept of love in that moment, the concept of truth in that moment, the concept of logic in that moment it does not have a horse in the race.
Toliy:That's right in anything, that's right. It doesn't care, right, it doesn't care. So that's why it is safe to idolize that because, um, like you know, I have an agenda at certain times. You have an agenda. Yeah, you want something. You know everyone, at different points, has that right so you cannot idolize any person, no matter no matter like who they are or what behavior they display, doesn't mean that you can't idolize what they're doing in moments, yeah and hopefully they can do it for a prolonged period of time.
Eldar:Yeah, but yeah, it's like the paradox of the only desire you should have the Buddhists say right is desire to get enlightened, because it negates the desire. The desire has negative effects.
Eldar:Same thing, yeah, you know, yeah, so, yeah, I mean damn, I mean every, every time I think about this stuff and this is happening. Sure, it's almost like it's a problem at first to solve, but then again it comes back to again. The peace I received from this is like everything's where it's supposed to be, yeah, and like if you know, like if the world has to go on flames in order for it to find its balance, I think it should. You know what I mean. No longer do I have to have a position where it's like, well, damn, that sucked. No, like it's supposed to be this way.
Mike:Yeah, we talked about this the other night, you know. Yeah, like it's necessary, respecting the people's processes that they have to go through.
Eldar:Yeah, there you go Because what's just for them.
Mike:So whatever justice is happening in the world to the people, it's their justice you can't like to have a position about.
Eldar:It is like and you know Anastasia talked about that a lot that you cannot interfere, oh yeah, in the progress that's already been put into place. Like you kick the ball, it's rolling, it's supposed to hit that wall. Like it's supposed to hit that wall, based on gravity and fucking motion and movement, it's supposed to hit that wall. You're not supposed to interfere with that process. Yeah, you know that. She was also big on that, aside from the fact that she also talked about not to idolize her as well.
Mike:Yes, that's right. None of that she's just a human.
Eldar:Yeah, just a human. Exactly, that's another one. You know, there's truth to that. You know and that again goes back to our conversation that we talked about empowerment. You have to get empowered. You have to put the chips on yourself, yeah, you know, if you want to or if you have to.
Toliy:Yeah, but it's also interesting, right that, like only every four years, yeah, but, but it's also interesting, right that, like only every four years, does the average person care about politics? In between there, it's three years of complaining mm-hmm yeah, yeah, which is also something to do. So it's something to do.
Eldar:Yeah, and Joey actually even said to me right, he's like yo, if you're not voting, you can't complain. Yeah, you know what I'm, it's something to do. Yeah, and Joy actually even said to me right, he's like yo, if you're not voting, you can't complain. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. It's like what? Oh, that's how the rules are, like, that's the game. So you're voting for your right to complain? Mm-hmm, is that what you? That's the pass that you're trying to get.
Toliy:Yeah, you voted.
Eldar:I participated, man I didn't get what I want, man I have a feeling that those people are actually going to still complain. Come on man.
Eldar:You know, what I'm saying. Yeah, it's like all right. So if Trump wins, the Republican side or the people on the red, the MAGA people, right, they're not going to complain, right, like they're not allowed to complain because they got what they wanted and they just should kind of like cheer him on to complete all the tasks and things that he promised them to do. So they chill, right. So the blue side has the right to complain because this motherfucker ain't doing shit and he's a bad like all the shit. And then it reverses they get a break and then they get a break. They get a break, they get a break. It's interesting because then it's almost like who's complaining more? And maybe that side needs to win in order to calm down a little bit before shit erupts. I don't know well, let's go.
Toliy:That's the thing is. I think that you need like the country needs like four to eight years of one and then 48 years of the other just to cool off, keep a balance of shit take a balance, right. Yeah, um, I wonder what. What would it take for everybody to complain?
Mike:Yeah, everybody's complaining yeah.
Eldar:Yeah, it's like the reminder that like to empower people, to remind them that we vote every single day with our actions, with our dollars, with our behaviors and everything else. It's such a fucking huge task to accomplish. Let's just say, right, like every single day, we vote. I was telling that to Catherine.
Mike:Where are?
Eldar:you shopping. I could tell you, based on where you're shopping, whether or not you're voting for Democrats or Republicans.
Toliy:Yeah, that or like, for example, there was a whole thing about you know like LeBron James standing up for this, standing up for that, but then he's like the number one partner for Nike that gets like busted for like making these labor, factories and sweatshops and all this shit and you're profiting $100 million plus a year from being a part of that brand and having a sneaker with them. That's right, your face is on it, yeah.
Eldar:There you go. Right, there you go. You bought LeBron James' shoes. You vote a Democrat. Yeah, because he's probably pumping money on the back end to the Democrats, right To his people. Yeah, you bought this brand. Well, that's going to I don't know Home Depot and Lowe's, right, they're fucking divided, right, mm-hmm? Right, right, home Depot is what Republican, lowe's is Democratic.
Mike:That's how it's divided. Yeah, really.
Eldar:Yeah, that's a thing I don't know. That's pretty sick. So if you're shopping, Home Depot, right.
Toliy:Lowe's is blue, right Lowe's is blue and Home Depot is red. Yeah, somewhat.
Eldar:Yeah, you know, without knowing right, without knowing you look over here like yo, I want to vote this and this and that, without knowing you're actually voting a lot more, just on a daily basis, every single time, with your dollar, with your money.
Mike:Yeah, but nobody does that homework. If you want to play, that game though.
Eldar:No, but I'm saying like, like you know, like Harris over here, my rights, I care about this, I care about that. It's so important to come out once every four years to do something. No, bro, you know what I mean. Which country just fucking got together and all the citizens said we're going to stop buying Starbucks? You heard about this. Some country, I don't know, some small country. They said I'm going to stop buying. And guess what? You know what happened to that Starbucks? It's gone, all the stores closed. I don't know, it's fake news, I just saw it. Right. So they boycotted it as citizens. They all actually said we're all going to get fed up together and say enough's, enough. You know, enough of this shit, right? No more buying Nikes, no more sweatshops, no more of this, right?
Toliy:Yeah, but that's Like it's not about a business, yeah, and like some people are doing Some brands, I guess, and some stuff are doing that like against, like Russia, right, like if they do crazy shit you're not going to have any McDonald's there. You're not going to have this or that or like that. Right, that's right, yeah, you know. So like moronic fucking life that you fucking create because of your ideals.
Toliy:That's right, your ignorance, yeah. So, yeah, yeah, it's tough, I think, because it's always like the challenge of changing the world, I think is too big, like of like trying to but the truth of the matter is.
Eldar:You know, like I never thought Catherine Too was like yo. Why are you talking about politics Like you're trying to raise Harris into a president? I like I never thought Catherine Toole was like yo. Why are you talking about politics Like you're trying to raise Harris into a president? I'm like, yeah, I am. You know what I mean and that came out of a joke.
Eldar:But now that I think about it like yo, we can fucking do it. I feel this way. You know, if you give the real 25 years a crack, raising him to becoming, you know, first a productive member, then slowly we start pushing him more and more. He's getting some good results and stuff and who he is as a human being, and if he has a desire to go run for local government, we can't fucking become viral. We can't fucking spend money on marketing. We can't do this shit. Of course we can. We can start small, but we can start pushing shit. You know what I mean. I've never thought about it like that, but especially nowadays, it's fucking very doable. It's not out of fucking far reach. No, you know what I mean. So if I really want to get involved, that's how I want to get involved. That's how I always wanted to get involved.
Toliy:Yeah, I mean, you had a person that came out of left field to run for the president, right, that's right. Like a person who had zero experience in the political sphere, completely, and now is like the most like popular political figure, like in the country.
Eldar:Yeah Right, joe Rogan asked the fucking Trump. He said, when you got in the office, like what happened? Like there's no fucking manual there, like okay, like this is how you run the country, there's no manual. You had to fucking kind of learn on the job. You know what I mean. Like, let's say, you come in, you have to like appoint a whole, like you said, 3,000 people or something like that. You have to appoint to jobs all these different fucking duties and tasks. You want to make sure that you have advisors and stuff like that. And then you fucking go. Yeah, you learn on the job.
Toliy:He fucking went right Never ran a fucking businessman, a social media fucking person. Yeah, it's usually like a climb the ladder, like a scenario like mayor governor yeah why not?
Eldar:why can't we do it?
Mike:we can, why not 100% I?
Toliy:think it would be doable if you have a student that actually dedicates himself to learning for that amount of time and does all that.
Eldar:And then wanting to then spread that and help the people.
Toliy:I think people view that as unlikely.
Eldar:Sure that's why I think we have to have a realistic timeline and stuff like that to be able to raise an individual and get him to a point where he's fucking competent in himself number one, and then get to a point where he's filled with so much that he's going to want to go and help. If he cares about this stuff, right, Go and help more people. That would be awesome. Why not? That would be great. Whichever way we can fucking have an impact, why not?
Toliy:And he looks just like Tim Waltz, so it's perfect In 25 years and his name is.
Harris:Harris think about it. He's just gonna recycle and they're gonna be like Harris. Yeah, I voted for.
Toliy:Harris before. So I'm gonna vote for them again.
Eldar:All those stickers that didn't get fucking used or placed, we're gonna buy them all for pays on the dollar but this time it's gonna be Harris Waltz, right like he's gonna be the same person, yeah, so if you're gonna idolize somebody, you're gonna have to idolize Al Harris because he lives by a high standard.
Mike:He lives by a high standard because he cares about the rights yeah, that's crazy, right, like you're literally watching the downloaded program.
Eldar:Yeah, that was downloaded into his fucking brain.
Toliy:Yeah, it's a fucking phenomenon, holy shit it's a crazy phenomenon, it's a
Mike:crazy phenomenon it's crazy, but it's not crazy.
Toliy:See, like you can't find it not crazy once you're already like, once you're able to even identify it as crazy, right, but like to the average person, it's. I mean, it's just a person. What's wrong with you, man? You got a passionate individual Like what?
Eldar:are you fucking? Yeah, that's true, that's true. If anybody ever commented on this. Like some strangers, they're like yo, these motherfuckers are bullies. Yo, what are they doing to this poor kid? You know, yeah, he's just trying to vote. You know, Like, leave him alone.
Toliy:Yeah, see, like the issue with this kind of stuff is that, like yo, what are the chances he votes? Why zero?
Eldar:are you kidding me? He couldn't break the fucking box home on day one. He lost 400 in one day, in one day out of 30 days.
Toliy:That, yeah, I told you, if his head was not attached to his head, he would leave it at home every time, every time. Yeah, what, what one? One thing I wanted to say is that, um me, it's crazy how now, only like conscious, it does get punished in like in different ways by like life, right. What I'm saying is that, like moronic behavior and all of these different things, I think the issue is that, like it does not get consciously punished and then those things are not able to be like, uh, like consciously understood that, like this pain that you're suffering is connected to this is a result of this dumb behavior and all of these.
Toliy:You know tens of dozens of things or hundreds of things that you do. You know tens of dozens of things, or hundreds of things that you do right that like lead to your bad life. They're never connect like, they're never consciously connected to like. This causes me pain. This causes me pain. That causes me pain.
Eldar:Yeah because you know what and you never are able to feel those kinds of things.
Toliy:The truth, the pain still happens, right Like I think we all agree on that right. Yes, but the conscious connection to that happening, it doesn't happen, which is why, people are not able to figure out what the fuck is going on.
Eldar:With them. Yeah, that's why they have to go to the doctor and prescribe them pills yeah, to calm them down. Yeah.
Toliy:Yeah, and even if you can figure out, you still have fucking like mountain of work to do to try to undo those beliefs yeah, undo those beliefs and try to put in new systems in place and try to yeah, like uh, I guess, put, put a new government right, yeah, you're right fucking run, run your own shit.
Toliy:Yeah, right, so it's not. It's not even like okay once you, once you understand it, or see that like okay, guaranteed everything is done, right. But just to get to the point to understand that these things that you're doing for, or voting on, or agreeing to, or like living in these different ways, is the connector of the pain that you feel. That, to me, is like the biggest issue is that the pain is still happening, but it's not understood as to why. Properly. Now, I think everybody has reasons as to why, but I think that they're dead wrong. Right, like my life sucks, my boss sucks. Right, they're under the impression that their life is bad because their boss is bad. If their boss was good, life would be good for example right.
Toliy:Or this and that or like this right, like um, so, so, like I think people are, are like like we we spoke about um, um spoke about this before. But people have to kind of know why stuff is happening. But they don't, are not necessarily and they're not right the majority of the time as to why. So they still have to find justification for their pain. Just, they're wrong about it. They're constantly connecting the wrong dots. Yeah, that that, to me, is like the biggest problem is is that the pain is happening but the reasoning for the pain or the understanding as to why it's happening is off. And then you just have a perpetual cycle of people that feel pain and they feel pain and then they create reasonings for that pain and then they get prescribed whatever the medications are for that pain right, like physical or mental right but they're off as to what like. So they're getting wrong remedies for wrong pains and wrong reasons All at the same time and it just keeps happening over and over again.
Eldar:Damn yo. That's pretty fucked up. You described hell. Hmm, yes or no?
Toliy:Yeah.
Eldar:Well, nobody tells anybody what hell really is. You just described it. That's hell. Think about it. You're in a state of fucking confusion forever.
Toliy:Yeah, yeah, yeah, but. But. But you're in a state of fucking confusion forever.
Eldar:Yeah, but the thing that keeps people going is that they don't know that well, yeah, because they think hell is like in this, like dark old basement that smells really bad and it's like fiery and shit and then there's a double.
Toliy:Yeah, well, not even that it's the fact that they don't know that they're actually confused or like that this is actually happening to them yeah, I think that's how it's supposed to be, though, like you know, hell is supposed to feel like that and idolizing, I think, is part of that hell, because it's exactly that thing right he's supposed to be sitting
Eldar:yeah, yeah, he's supposed to right. Well, no, I don't know which one chicken or the egg, which one comes first, but harry is supposed to be kissing the ground that we walk on. Okay, that's the truth. And the reality is he's supposed to be idolizing totally right now, for example, because directly is correlated to his well-being, his success is everything right. He's supposed to be esteeming him, us, right to like the next degree, like like bro, like all the things that you've described to him, like yo, like who did some something for you, right, who nobody right. The reason why you have a glimpse of hope right now and you feeling a little bit better right now, and you're feeling a little bit better right now is because of these individuals. But the correlation that totally is talking about is not there. This cannot be correlated. It's impossible. You understand, because you already made ties with someone else up there yeah you know what I mean.
Eldar:So that which is in front of you, right, a lot of the times you can't see that which is good. So the whole your whole life, you go around finding what gratitude, being grateful for what you have and seeing things for what they are. But because he's in this hell, this confusion you know what I mean idolizing false prophets, right? He's never going to be able to see or reap the benefits of those that's what's in front of him until he actually zeroes in and focuses his vision.
Mike:Well, you can't extract the value from something if you don't believe in it. Well, yeah, Like he believes in Donnie, he's extracting whatever he thinks he's going to extract, which is nothing he's talking to go order four orders of.
Eldar:Chinese food right now? Yeah, what fucking rights.
Eldar:Yeah, he's not doing anything for rights, that's what I'm saying, though, but, like the confusion, state right, yeah, and what causality is? One causes the other? This domino hits this one, and it keeps going. There's a reason for this, and you understand it. Your mind can't comprehend that. That's why you are the way. You are, right. You're disrespecting let's just say the people that feed you, right. What do they say? Don't bite the hand that feeds you. You bite the hand that feeds you 100% and the hand that feeds you 100, and you lick the ass of the individual you never saw yeah, 100, it's a crazy conundrum absolutely yeah, you know what I mean yeah, yeah, I.
Toliy:I also think when you act this kind of way to people, right, like, like, unless you um have like a focus on like trying to tell them what's going on actually in like a moment to moment basis, right, they don't like know what's going on. You know. What they do understand is a language used at home. Right, when dad unleashes his wrath. Right, you're respectful, quiet, you listen, you follow the rules.
Eldar:You know this and that you're just obedient, but it's bullshit. Yeah, but it's bullshit.
Toliy:Yeah, you don't believe you are obedient right, yeah, because that's the language that that individual understands and demands from you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that that is proven. I don't even know like how, how much that, like you could receive like all the gifts of, like amazing opportunities and like amazing things and situations, but like that, like the apeness that you have, yeah, going into it, doesn't allow you to see or or understand it. So let me ask, like you're you to see it or understand it?
Mike:So let me ask you.
Toliy:It's like I know that this is Mike's favorite word, but I'm going to have to use it.
Eldar:Justice. It's your karma. It's justice. Yes, I agree.
Toliy:What kind of karma is that? Think about this, right, yeah.
Eldar:I thought about it. I just fucking said it, toli, you're going to fucking repeat the same thing. I just said. But yeah, I just fucking said it, toli, you're going to fucking repeat the same thing. I just said yeah, I get it, toli. Yes, you have fucking everything here. Your heaven is here. You can't see, you can't touch it, you can't enjoy it, yeah. So the next question is Socrates' question. Is this an example of the hourglass of the cave? Yeah, is this the example of recollection, yep Trying to wake the soul up right, because every single day.
Eldar:Right, it's a memory thing. You really have Alzheimer's or fucking amnesia. Every day you come in you try to turn on the light for him. Look, bro, we're here, the lights are here, nice flowers, everything's nice, everything's good here. Yeah, the lights are here, nice flowers, everything's nice, everything's good. Person turns the lights, yeah, boom, you're coming in again every single day. You're trying to restart the damn thing. Restart the process. Restart the process. Restart the process. Restart the process, yeah, up until like okay, cool, like I got it. I need to. I know how to put on my own light, like I see it now, so you get empowered. I know how to fucking fish. I got it. You know, I understand that, I get it. Is this, it is this literally the fucking example of it. Is this also our duty? Right, which we're obviously doing? It's just the right thing to do, right, is it? Are we morally obligated, almost, to do this? I mean, it comes natural to us now you know what I mean. But is this it?
Mike:I mean, I think so. Yeah, I think so. I think it's all he said, everything that he said. That's exactly what's happening. That's crazy all those years ago, right? That's crazy.
Eldar:Yeah man, he thought about all this shit bro. Yeah, it's very interesting, it's all just crazy.
Mike:Right, that's crazy. Yeah man, he thought about all this shit, bro. Yeah, it's very interesting. It's all just crazy that it's so many years later it's still so true, well it's the same thing, yeah if the truth is the truth, it's universal and it's just transcends time maybe there's less people in the cave, maybe there's more, maybe it's the same, I don't know. Yeah, it's yeah.
Toliy:Stuff just gets more high-tech right.
Eldar:Yeah, but it's the same shit. But it's the same shit, Alright. So then, final thoughts. Mike, what do you got for us for this question? My original question about how detrimental is this fucking shit to our health?
Mike:Yeah, it's extremely detrimental, I think it's, to our health. Yeah, it's extremely detrimental. I think it's one of the most important things to live in. A good, happy life is is believing in yourself and creating your own life, like your actual life, that's built on something good, you know, like virtue. Yeah, if you can't, then you're just going to be stuck in the wheel, complaining or not complaining. But you're going to be complaining without like the complainers. They don't say like you know, I'm going to complain for three years but, like yeah, I'm going to take the time and everything's going to change.
Mike:Yeah, is the complaining never ends. It's never like I'm going to complain. Yeah, but I'm going to change something. It's is the is the thing, is the whole thing, it's the whole action, start to finish. There's no like, all right, I'm had enough, I'm gonna change something. Yeah, you know, it's just complain. People don't believe they can change something. Maybe. Yeah, it's not.
Eldar:It's definitely not easy to change either, but that's also not impossible, it's okay you, you know what Just thought to me like okay, cool, you complaining, complaining, but you inviting almost for the idols to come in. Right To idols to come in and try to help you, or sweep you, but that's like, yeah, you're asking somebody to save you.
Mike:Yeah, but that's the whole idolizing. That whole thing is a mush, a pile of shit. Yeah, you know, a pile of shit.
Eldar:Yeah, you know. Yeah, and then you get caught Because the people who actually can challenge your complaining right? Yeah, they're not going to flash the watch, they're not going to flash the tie, they're going to ask you a question what the fuck are you talking about, bro? Yeah, what are you complaining about and why? Yeah, the motherfucker that actually cares and the motherfucker that doesn't. He, the motherfucker that actually cares and the motherfucker that doesn't. He's going to find how to monetize your dumbass so you can buy his fucking product, so you can vote for him.
Mike:They go hand in hand.
Eldar:It's interesting, yeah, yeah, the people that look for idols it's interesting. Yeah, yeah, the, the people that look for idols or look for people who are gullible and stuff like that. It's almost like to them it's it's very easy to do the immoral thing, right, like okay, cool, like I'm just gonna take the power, I'm gonna take, you know this, this fan base you know and not have not have responsibility of how it turns out or whatever.
Mike:Oh, that those people not thinking about that?
Eldar:you know I think so?
Mike:no, because they're also stuck in the same system, bro, they also initially. Then it became the dream right to become yeah this person that we idolize. It wasn't like. I want to become an idol somebody. I want to become rich, I want to become famous, I want to become known yeah of somebody I want to become rich. I want to become famous, I want to become known. But why? This idea is not coming out of fucking humility or something good. It's out of again lack, Lack of self-love.
Eldar:This is what I see in Trump, bro, when I watch his videos and stuff. Like thatzes, fucking, like insecurity bro. Yeah, oozes it bro. Yeah, like everything about him. He's just reacting to the fact that people don't like him and he doesn't like it. You know, what I mean. He's a big baby, bro, you know what I mean. Who, like you said, wanted to fucking come. He was a loser, bro. He's a loser, yeah, you know what I mean. It's crazy, you know. And now he's fucking stuck, yeah, and everybody else pumping okay.
Mike:Nom Nom's forgot his house keys until he had to come back, exactly you see like you said, you have to screw them into his into his body, for them not to forget something on the flop, preferably fuck.
Eldar:Man. What are your final thoughts on this? You want to wait for Mike? It's up to you. Let's wait for Mike. Make sure Mike doesn't miss it.
Toliy:Yeah, man yeah, I feel like the complaining right. Yeah, I feel like it like the complaining right. It creates fuel for the idolization you know it does and like, no matter where you look or who you talk to, you have a lot of complainers. So, because of that, there's actually demand for idols. There is a demand for idols. You of that, there's actually demand for idols.
Eldar:There is a demand for idols.
Toliy:You need a savior, there's a demand for it right, there is a demand for it.
Eldar:The people are asking for it. The people are asking for it. For somebody to step to the plate and then tell them what to do and how to think. Yeah, exactly.
Mike:Fuck.
Toliy:Yeah, so as long as you have complaining without empowerment and self-belief, that like these things that you're complaining about are things that you actually have direct control over or you will follow or can have that you will follow. There is a need out there in the market for idols and they continue and as, like, um, like time time passes, you have, you know, old ones kind of step down a little bit right and you have new ones come up to the plate.
Eldar:Yeah, they serve a very specific purpose.
Toliy:They're only there because there's a demand for them. That's it. If there wasn't a demand, there wouldn't be any.
Eldar:Well, listen, it sounds like both parties, both sides, serve a very specific purpose. There's going to be Harris's and there's going to be Trump's, and they ought to marry each other because they're the perfect fit for one another. Yeah, but the truth of the matter is they'll never be satisfied. That's what it sounds like right, and sooner or later something's going to implode.
Mike:Hopefully, not in his pants.
Eldar:Not in their pants and Donnie's pants, even though that's what they wanted to explode, you know what I mean, but it's going to implode.
Mike:Yeah.
Eldar:And you know, sooner or later, hopefully, somebody's going to start seeing the voice of reason, hearing some kind of voice of reason, and one party or the other is going to serve them the divorce papers.
Eldar:Hopefully, man, and that's it, yeah and that's it. And then you graduate, right, you graduate towards, maybe towards yourself, to say, you know what I? To say, you know what I mean? Like Catherine had a graduation. You had a graduation, right, like most recent, where you said, yeah, what the fuck, I can think I can change my life, I can do better. And it's on me, it's not on the external, it's not on my friends, it's not on my dad, it's not on my mom, it's not in the politics, it's on me. I got to do something about it.
Toliy:Look, either you graduate the idol or the idol is going to graduate you onto the next class. Yeah, oh he will, you know he's going to put you on the next thing.
Eldar:Yeah, I really like how Tony said it. Yeah, if you're living in this confusion where you don't have the ability to connect the dots between cause and effect when it comes to your confusion, your pains, your complaining to what's actually going on in life, in your life, yeah, your pains, your complaining to what's actually going on in life, in your life, yeah, and you in this perpetual cycle of what the fuck?
Toliy:Yeah, yeah, see, for a while maybe, like early on, like I felt that way, but I didn't believe that there's still that level of pain experienced. You know, I think until you started talking about they're like yo, they still experience pain yeah right, you can't go around that. See, if you could, it wouldn't be that. But because you can't escape it. But you don't know why it's happening. It's such a crazy, like holy fuck, like that's a crazy the way you describe it it's. It's absurd Because it's still happening without your choice.
Eldar:Yeah, Well, maybe a very long time ago, you made some certain things.
Toliy:Yeah, conscious, yeah conscious.
Eldar:All right, Well, thank you guys. This was fucking good, as always. Thanks for watching.