157. Personal Desires vs Group Dynamic

Can power of collective happiness override personal desires?

In this episode, the hosts discuss the complexities of group dynamics and personal responsibility through the lens of a planned casino trip. They delve into the ethics of gambling, financial responsibility, and the impact of individual actions on collective success. Through a series of confrontations and discussions, the group explores how past experiences and personal mindsets influence their current behavior. They use the story of 'Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory' as a metaphor for integrity and character in the face of temptation. The episode concludes with a focus on the importance of synchronizing individual actions with group goals to achieve true happiness and success together.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Setting the Stage: Traps and Tests
• 1:14 Credit Lines and Desperation
• 5:16 The Emotional Rollercoaster
• 7:54 Guilt and Redemption
• 33:45 Casino Plans and Strip Club
• 37:17 Learning from Mistakes
• 47:33 Sales Strategy and Teaching Methods
• 57:58 Willy Wonka Analogy
• 1:05:12 The Contest and Charlie's Integrity
• 1:06:56 The Moral of the Story
• 1:08:35 Reflections and Personal Anecdotes

Transcript

[00:00:00] Eldar: On this week's episode, 

I'm setting up traps for you to fail on your own accord all the time. Eh, that's kind of fucked up though. 

[00:00:08] Toliy: I can't raid the the room, man. Listen, that's part of it. That is why people sell out for the money, my mind. And that's why I also always love those tests where like you feel like you're being offered more.

Yeah. But you're giving up actually way more than what, what you're being 

[00:00:23] Eldar: offered collectively. If we have the ability to harness that happiness together, I'll be unstoppable then. But if you're gonna do the whole little selfish ploy, I think you'll be alone. Even if you have a lot of money.

All. So what just happened? I cashed out Nana. Okay. To have some money to go to the casino. Okay. Let's 

[00:00:51] Mike: track back though. Yeah. That's on the back end. Yeah, that's what happened. I started going back to the Bali if you need a reference point. 

[00:00:58] Harris: No. 'cause it's deeper than that. So originally, 

oh shit. 

You got something Eldar and Mike.

Yeah. I asked for, you know, a credit line Yeah. For the casino. Yeah. And you came up with an idea that if you wait a second 

[00:01:12] Eldar: No, my first initial reaction mm-hmm. Was that how can you ask for any kind of credit line is because right now you in the hole. Mm-hmm. Right. And we know what kind of hole you are in.

Let's just call it the financial hole. Mm-hmm. I'm not gonna mention the details as to why you're in that hole right now. Well, the speed, you wanna mention the speed, like we can mention the speed. No, we don't have to. We don't have to go into those details. Let's just say there's a financial hole, right?

[00:01:34] Harris: Mm-hmm. 

[00:01:35] Eldar: So for a person who has a financial hole, right, you would naturally think that they're not gonna try to increase this hole to be bigger. 

Mm-hmm. 

[00:01:43] Eldar: Right? That's why when you said, Hey, casino, right? Okay, well I haven't been saying casino. Well, no, well, I don't know who said it, I don't care who brought it up, right?

But you are riding the wave with that, with that sentiment, right? Mm-hmm. Um, so when you said to me, Eldar, I'm thinking of asking for the credit line from Mike for $200 to go to casino. My initial reaction, and this was between me and you one-on-one over there in the morning, I think I said, is that a good idea?

You know, like, how can you be doing this right now when you have nothing to borrow? And I don't remember for, for a fact what you said in return. Do you remember what you said? No. Okay. How about this? You said, Hey. We're gonna go there and make money. Do you remember this? Yeah. Anybody else remember this?

Stop. Do you remember it, cousin? Yes, he does. Cousin. Remember that? No, 

[00:02:30] Harris: he doesn't. He just agreeing with the make money part. That's what he's been going there 

[00:02:34] Eldar: for. Fine, fine. 

[00:02:35] Harris: Yeah. And 

[00:02:35] Toliy: to tie it, I can't 

[00:02:36] Eldar: hear anything you're saying 

[00:02:37] Toliy: and, and um, to tie that out there before you continue. Well, this is my story.

This is one one. No, no. Yeah. But um, I'm just saying before you continue the story, just to add onto it, Harris, um, I think this was happening actually while you were sick, right? Okay. Uh, 'cause had a plan and he said, Hey, we're gonna go to the casino. Mm-hmm. And if we win money, then we're gonna go to the strip club.

Mm-hmm. Only yeah. If that happens. Okay. Right. And Harris was yelling at CZ that whole week every time. 'cause were to stop saying, Hey, you cannot go to the casino. With the intention to make money in that kind of way. Harris was saying that to the cause. Yeah. He was like saying You can't do that. Is this true?

Cause really holy can't cousin when he has a bad attitude, dude towards it. He's saying that like you can't go there to try to make money. That's very interesting. That 

[00:03:24] Eldar: is very interesting piece of detail, Harris, because that was my thing. I was like, Harris, you can't look at it like that because like, sure, you in the hole right now, but you trying to like go to casino to make money in order to then patch up the hole that you have.

I was like, that's terrible. That's not like, that's not how it should be. Obviously. You know what I mean? Like you shouldn't associate casino as a way to try to patch up something. I just 

[00:03:44] Harris: said that if I lose this, it's not going to currently hurt my wallet. Well hurt my nano wallet. Sure. 

[00:03:50] Eldar: No, this is a no, let's not talk about it.

You, you fast forwarding the process, okay? Mm-hmm. The nano and what happened. That's, that's later. That's your creative mind started thinking in ways and how you can do this, which is 

[00:04:00] Harris: not a bad thing. 

[00:04:01] Eldar: I'm not saying it's bad. I'm not saying that it's not creative. I think in that sense, I can definitely call you resourceful.

You are resourceful, but is it a bad idea? I think so, and that's, I think that's what Tolly is, is probably alluding to. Okay. The whole point is your mindset is a very specific, okay. Mm-hmm. Your mindset was what? I'm in a hole. Let's go to casino use. I get out of 

[00:04:25] Harris: the hole. 

[00:04:26] Eldar: Yes. Use someone else's money and get out of the hole.

I was like, I can't, I, I can't. My hands are up. I'm like, I can't co-sign this. Like, I don't approve of that. 

[00:04:35] Harris: Mm-hmm. 

[00:04:36] Eldar: So what was my idea, Harris, if you remember in the morning, what was my idea? 

[00:04:40] Harris: Your idea was to let everyone else play. Mm-hmm. And if they win a significant amount of money. Mm-hmm. Well, not significant, 

[00:04:48] Eldar: but 

[00:04:48] Harris: a good Yeah, 

[00:04:49] Eldar: sure.

A couple grand. Well, well, no, it doesn't have to be a couple grand. 

[00:04:56] Harris: That's what 

[00:04:57] Eldar: someone said. So that's why I was like, okay, fine, fine. They have to win a couple grand. I'm like, okay, fine. Let's do a couple grand. Sure. 

All right, then what happens? And 

[00:05:04] Harris: uh, 

[00:05:04] Eldar: then I, they, you give me not a credit line or not a, what's his name?

Yeah. Not lending you money. Just give you money. Mm-hmm. To do what? With play? To play with. Right. So here is a, in my head, is a win-win situation, right? You're coming to cheer on, cheer us on. If we win right together, obviously we'll let you play. You play on money. That's free money pretty much. If you lose, you don't feel bad.

If you win, awesome. Maybe then you can patch 

[00:05:36] Harris: up some of your holes. So let me see if this will change the mood. I have a, a proposal here. Okay? What happens if I give toll uhhuh 170? 

Okay. 

[00:05:46] Harris: And let him play with it. Okay? Well, that changed the mood a little bit. So you, if you went off of it, yeah, 

[00:05:54] Eldar: you give me, mm-hmm.

But now you're putting pressure on toll. What if he loses? Well, then I go down with the ship again. Okay. 

[00:06:00] Toliy: Well, it, it's not even that, that that's not even what, what, what, like, made me crash completely. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, okay. Like the whole, like, well, like, it, it, it was part of it, but like, um, the way I saw the whole thing transpire.

Mm-hmm. Is that like the plan that Eldar proposed, like, I was definitely on board with, and I thought it was a good idea. Right. And I also thought that like, if there's a particular energy put towards it, I don't think it would've failed. What I'm saying is, is I I'm proposing another thing. Wait, hold on, hold on.

Wait, wait. Right. And I think what happened was that, what, what is the story? Adam and Eve, where he got that? Where he bit the apple? 

[00:06:38] Eldar: Yeah. I 

[00:06:39] Toliy: think what all that did was he dangled the apple and wait a second. Why me? What? Why me? Didn't you bring up the idea of, of cashing out the I did. No. Oh, okay. Well, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Wait, what I brought up thought the, yeah, thought you said it. She said 

[00:06:53] Eldar: I was the, I was the Adam, I mean, I was the eve with the apple bro or the snake. 

[00:06:58] Toliy: No, like IIII thought that you said if you want, you could cash out. No, but for he, he came up with this idea. No, he 

[00:07:04] Eldar: came up with the idea. He is like, can I cash out the net?

And I was like, okay. Well that's, 

[00:07:08] Toliy: that's even worse though. What I'm saying is I'm proposing another thing. Right? Hold on, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Lemme say the, and the way I felt that he went for it is that he was completely against the idea that, that we had, because he felt like he, like he wasn't getting what he wanted.

And, and the way I felt was that he was extremely desperate and willing to do anything. To get what he wanted in that moment. And when I felt that, no, I, I was feeling left out. Hold on. Yes. And when, when, when, when I felt that all the good energy and excitement I had crashed down completely. I agree with that.

I, I obviously, I know, I know how this works. Yeah. So I'm, I'm, yeah. The way I felt is I felt that the person sold was he pulled the plug. He was willing to sell his soul. Yeah. To get the money. And as soon as I felt that it was over for me, 

[00:07:54] Harris: I'm willing to have a redo of Philly right now, 

[00:07:58] Eldar: Harris, I think it's, it was never 

[00:08:01] Toliy: about the money.

[00:08:01] Eldar: It's, 

yeah. It's never about, it's not about the money, Harris, but I'm going with the team here. Did you understand how this whole thing transpired? Yeah. No, I did. Now also, also. No, but no, no. But now we have to learn, uh, totally. Whether or not we were not clear from before on what we're trying to do. You weren't, you see, you were 

[00:08:18] Harris: just offering our credit.

No, it wasn't even that saying, Hey, if we win, we'll give you money. But you weren't. I didn't think about it. Like, oh, it's gonna dig deeper in the hole. It's like, oh, they don't want to extend the credit. That was in my mind. 

[00:08:30] Toliy: Oh, no, no. It wasn't even that. It it who care? We don't care about that. Yeah. It, it was, it was also, um, um, it, it was, it was also the fact, like what happened last week that happened.

Right. And then we had a whole conversation about it, and then he was like, yeah, I'm not gonna be making any decisions anymore unless, like, you know, I ask everybody and, and, and I get the less, right? Yeah. Like, he got to, to me, what I thought was he got hit over the head pretty bad. He got onto the casino and then he got hit.

I know the thing is hit hit, and, and then he got pulled, pulled over and did all that. So to me, it's like, before you make this kind of decision Yeah. Especially, this is in the same topic, right? I thought he would've went around the room and said, Hey, no. Is this a good idea? If you would've said, Hey, is this a good idea?

[00:09:15] Harris: I'm not going to the casino tonight. I'd be like, all right. Because when Toley said, Hey, like, uh, the mood fucking shifted, right? Yeah. I was, I wasn't gonna go If he's, if he's not going, I'm going home. 

[00:09:26] Eldar: No, no, for sure, 

[00:09:27] Toliy: for sure. No, I I would still go 

[00:09:29] Eldar: for 

[00:09:29] Harris: sure. 

[00:09:30] Toliy: I would, I would still go. But now, like my mindset's completely different.

[00:09:34] Harris: I don't understand why. Like, you, you think, oh God, it's mushed now. Like I don't understand how it can be mushed. Well explain to him though, I didn't fully understand. It's not the, I didn't fully understand where you were coming from about Yeah. With the credit. Because originally it was like, okay, they don't wanna extend the credit line, you know, because, you know, I owe, so, you know.

[00:09:53] Eldar: Yeah. It's done. I think that we pro what I at least wanted, right? Uh, like for you not to continue to dig a bigger hole. And I don't want to be part of that. I didn't want to enable Right. A person, a, a friend who right now is kind of in the hole, right? Um. To continue digging a bigger hole. Because if you would've lost, which is a very big possibility, obviously, right?

You could always go 50 50. Yeah. Yeah. You, yeah, you, you create a bigger hole and then how do you feel? Right? And I kind of contribute to that. So I gave you my honest opinion about, when you asked me about this credit with Mike, I told you, I'm like, I don't think it's a good idea, man. You know, but what we can do, if you read it, want to go, we can try this thing if we go up, I have no problem.

If I'm playing and I'm making money, like I don't care. The more the merrier for me. I don't care if we lose, you know what I mean? Like what 

[00:10:38] Harris: I'm saying, I, I'm willing to get back on the train. Right. I'm willing to root for you guys. Yeah. And let one of you play with the Yeah. Money and root for you guys stand in the background.

I didn't see where you were coming from. Okay. I didn't see about like, you know, uh, what I was there to show my support. Ru I looked at it like, you know, you didn't wanna extend the credit, so you know, 

[00:10:58] Eldar: they weren't going to do it. Well, I, it was, you didn't even ask me for the credit. You asked Mike for the credit.

Yeah, I know. So I, I just gave 

you my opinion as to why it's not a good idea. 'cause you asked me. I'm, well, 

[00:11:08] Harris: I wasn't gonna ask you for the credit because I'm technically Yeah. You know, we're not gonna get into that. But yeah, you still owe me some sexual favors. He always wrong me. You, but no, that's the way I looked at it.

I didn't look at it like, uh, you guys were doing it for the, you know, 

[00:11:24] Mike: didn't we talk about this earlier in the week, like yesterday or something? What about him going and cheerleading? Didn't you mention this? Not, this wasn't just a today thing, right? 

[00:11:33] Eldar: Yeah. What do you mean? Well, the interesting part is what totally said about what he was advising cousins to do.

To not to do. Yes. Yeah. That was the, so he understands the concept. So what I'm 

saying is I'm willing to get back on the train, even if it means don't play with this money. No, no. We get that. And I think maybe now that 

you're, now we know it's just, 

[00:11:54] Toliy: yeah. Like, I, I can't be like happy and supporting and like, on that same feeling when I see like a.

Selling your soul to the devil. Actually, I didn't consider it selling my soul to the devil. Right. Well, I understand that. 'cause you did it. No one knowing, does it? 

[00:12:09] Eldar: You know, the thing is, and and you gotta understand that the, the role that I play here or, and Mike was playing as well and totally wasn't playing, we were playing two different things here.

I went with the, I was like, okay, cool, like, you wanna do this? You are a man. You're a grown man. Take the money. You know, I even set you up and I, I sold your nano for 20% less and you took it. So like, it just shows me at least, and it obviously highlights it totally right. That like you were willing, desperate, desperate, and you're willing to do anything.

You know what I mean? I was more worried about being left 

[00:12:40] Harris: out, 

[00:12:40] Eldar: you know? Well that then that's very selfish. So then, no. So then what's happening then is that you actually don't know who we are. No, I do. No you don't. Yes, I do. Well, because if you are under the impression that we're gonna leave you out of something, that's to say that we would be bad friends.

[00:12:57] Harris: No, I'm, I know you guys would give me Right. But the thing is, I don't know how to put this. I'm not gonna lie. I love gambling. Okay. All right. I love fucking gamble. Sure. You know, and to just stand there like Crispy was uhhuh. He didn't do anything for me. Yeah. At all. Yeah. Didn't root for me, didn't do anything.

Right. Maybe you 

[00:13:22] Eldar: should. Yeah. Then maybe they should, should, uh, should set an example. I wasn't thinking about that. 

[00:13:27] Harris: Yeah. That's point. How do I get back on 

[00:13:29] Eldar: the train? Well, I think that you have to understand the dynamic, and again, you can get back in the train, but you have to see things for what they are and what's actually going on.

And I think this is where we can segue to Tony's topic where he actually proposed earlier and he said a lot of times people don't actually see what's actually going on Right. Or what's actually possible. Right. And maybe we did, maybe I didn't do a good job explaining to him as to like what my vision was.

Right. Because I thought my vision was pretty self-explanatory. If we go up, 

[00:13:59] Harris: nothing, let's be honest, in my, in my case, nothing's really self-explanatory. Uh, it's cool. Yeah. 

[00:14:06] Toliy: I, I, I, I mean, to me, to me it was like very clear like, hey, like if we're doing well, we'll, like, and what are we talking about stuff? But see, the thing is 

[00:14:13] Eldar: we, we've, we've talked about this and we understand this language, right?

No, but also like 

[00:14:17] Toliy: we're talking about 

[00:14:18] Eldar: common sense 

[00:14:18] Toliy: basic stuff. Like, like we all know that by now, right? Based on how, like where, where we've been playing so far. One chip is 25 bucks, right? Mm-hmm. We're usually buying in, I don't know, for a few hundred dollars. Yeah. 200 bucks is eight chips, right? What's eight chips amongst the three of us?

[00:14:38] Eldar: Three. Yeah. $600, $800. No, 

[00:14:42] Toliy: no, no. I'm saying to like give Harris a pot to play with eventually af a after we start playing. Like, to me it's like, does that, it's not like he's asking for two grand and we need to Yeah. I don't know. Go up seven, 10,000, 15,000 Google funding campaign. Yeah. To like figure out like that's eight chips.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Like come on, you know? Yeah. Like what? What the problem is, right? Where you felt. And I was super excited for us playing, winning and doing that for him. Yeah. And then Harris getting excited, hype cheerleading there, us getting on the stack. And so what happens? Joining 

[00:15:13] Harris: the table 

[00:15:14] Toliy: already saw it.

I saw it too. And what happens? Happens if I don't 

[00:15:17] Harris: cash in the money and I still cheer. Is it a way back in. See again, you acting desperate. I'm not acting desperate. You just want, now you just wanna, I don't make it look like cash in, 

[00:15:26] Eldar: and now I feel guilt. Here, let me explain something to you. Now, in order to get back in, you actually just have to take a deep breath, put the money down, or put it in your pocket.

Don't look at the money, take a deep breath and pay attention to what's ha, what's happening here. Because now I feel the guilt. You know, I felt that the 

[00:15:42] Harris: moment totally is like, yo, yo, it's fucking, and I think you 

[00:15:44] Eldar: should. And I think it's a good thing, probably, right? I was willing, listen, you have to understand.

I was willing, and Mike was also willing to go and almost know we already knew kind of how the night was gonna go based on how we felt, right? And we were okay with it because you needed to prove something to yourself. And we thought that that's gonna be a better lesson. Dig a bigger hole for yourself, right?

Sure. You made a creative way of doing the whole nano thing, right? But nonetheless, it's still a hole and it's just in a different shape or form. You know, Toley was a little bit more maybe on your side here, right? He maybe showed it with attitude. 

[00:16:19] Harris: I wasn't able to see your guys' sarcasm. That's right. I thought you guys were actually thinking like 

[00:16:24] Eldar: Totally has that ability already.

He already knows what camp we're going on. We're gonna say, okay, cool. You, you, you made this decision, you compromised. No problem. Do do what you want. You know, we're not gonna stop you. You know, there's a lesson there and we are okay with you learning that lesson, right. Where totally, a lot of [00:16:40] times likes the preventative care and he wants to like wave the red flux.

Like, don't do it, don't do it. Don't, don't bite the apple. You know, Eve or Adam, whoever bit that fucking apple, you know? So that's what he was doing 

[00:16:49] Harris: When I thought I could read the two of you, I guess I was wrong. Well, obviously, 

[00:16:56] Toliy: obviously. And you know who he said, he told me this, uh, probably about three, four weeks ago.

Yeah. He asked me where, when, when, when I was working, when, when I'm working with him, he goes. We, we, we had like a little tiff, right? Where I was, you know, joking about something, but he said like, yo, he is like, like, I can never read you, like, you're so hard to read. Like, I, I, I could read Elder on Mike, no problem.

[00:17:20] Harris: Yeah. Because usually I can, like, they're joking. They're not joking. They're serious. They're 

[00:17:24] Eldar: serious. Yeah. I think Tony is right. Hey, I think you are under the wrong impression. Yeah. You know, I'm setting up traps for you to fail on your own accord all the time. You don't know about them. Well, it's 

[00:17:36] Harris: kind of, that's kind of fucked up though.

[00:17:39] Eldar: I can't raid the, the room, man. Listen, that's part of it. You know, I'm setting up my own cousin for this kind of stuff, you know what I mean? He keeps saying, I know this, I know that, or whatever, whatever. Right? I mean, it's always, this is, this is my like. This is my forte. This is what I do. The only reason 

[00:17:54] Toliy: I know I know these traps is because they were set up for me.

And I also fell in all of them as well. Not multiple times, no more than anyone. 

[00:18:02] Eldar: He is got he's, he holds the record of following these traps. Yeah, because he comes up, he came up with a lot of ideas and I saw that he was compromised and attached to, to the desire of those ideas. Yeah. So I said, okay, let's run with it.

Let's go prove this out so you can learn your lesson. And a lot of times he came back to me, he's like, elder, what the fuck? Why don't you tell me? I'm like, I tried, but you were compromised. Right? So that's what was happening here. We were willing to go with you. We were willing to go and go into whatever fucking thing you wanted to do for your, for your cause.

Totally didn't. 

[00:18:34] Toliy: No, I was still willing to go. No, but you were waving the 

[00:18:37] Eldar: red 

[00:18:37] Toliy: flag. Yeah. But but with a down mood. Yeah. For for sure. I definitely wasn't in the same Yeah. His 

[00:18:41] Harris: down mood started making me feel the 

[00:18:42] Eldar: guilt again. And I fucking hate the guilt. Well, no, it should because remember the last time what, what happened last time, right.

Even though you didn't wanna remember it, but totally gave you that same warning, you know? And you said after you've, you know, got the ticket fucked up, lost, right after you got that warning, you said, Hey, I gotta listen to total. I gotta like listen to him a little bit more. That's the deal. Yeah. I'm one stubborn son of a bitch.

And that, that's why, that's why it's okay. We, me and Mike, we willing, we willing to go to the stubborn guy in order to relearn the lesson, get another ticket, lose the money again, and then we'll, we'll try again. We're willing to do this as many, as many times as you are willing to do it. We have the stamina.

Totally doesn't like to do play this game. He has a different, um, 

[00:19:23] Harris: no, the guilt felt like, uh, failure all over again. 

[00:19:27] Eldar: Okay. There you go. You. Uh, exactly. So this is not the first lesson or second lesson. This is like a third lesson already. Yeah, that's right. You guys had had already, already in the situation inly.

Yeah, that's right. The thing in Philly, when you did it ride with the boys and role, I 

[00:19:38] Harris: was like, you know, I went all in and when I lost it I was like, okay, you know, but we were together. Yeah. Maybe I redeemed myself. Yeah. And then all of a sudden I felt like, oh fuck. See that's 

[00:19:46] Eldar: why I said to you earlier, I said, sometimes when you lose, you actually win.

But sometimes when you win you actually lose. And you have those examples on both Aruba, you lost money, but you actually won the bond that time when you guys went to Philly. Mm-hmm. You won the money, but you lost the bond. Yeah. And I think that if you synchronize this idea and understanding of what we're trying to say, I think that then you can go and you can actually have fun.

You know what I mean? And you don't care. It's not about the money anymore, it's about having fun. Yeah. And that's why I think sometimes we put the $25 on the 22 and KO a lucky I. You are like,

[00:20:28] Harris: so you're not going to the casino think somewhere way. Yeah. By the way, there, by the way, 

[00:20:32] Toliy: Harris had a sick recap mm-hmm. Of what he thought happened with that scenario. Oh yeah. He goes, um, yeah, I was, was fucking drunk. Yeah. Yeah. He thought Uhhuh that we lost everything. Yeah. Playing blackjack and we were already walking out and we go to the blackjack table and we won everything back in that one spin.

No, no, no, no, 

[00:20:54] Harris: no. I didn't think that bro. No, not the blackjack table. Went to the roulette. Roulette table. Yeah. You were pulling out number and we, we lost it at the blackjack. You took the money and fuck that we had left over and fucking took it there. No, 

[00:21:06] Eldar: nah, no. Totally won already. He, he was up more, but then he took some back.

Right. And you, we, we already had, we were up. I 

[00:21:13] Toliy: thought we 

[00:21:14] Harris: all fucking lost 

[00:21:15] Toliy: together, man. What the fuck? No, I got to the, I got to the roulette table. Right. And we were up $2,200. Yeah. And then we won $800 more. More on the thing that, on that ole thing. Yeah. Correct. 

[00:21:25] Harris: I thought we all lost everything, bro. No, no, man.

You were drunk, man. You were, were too busy. We did lose everything. 

[00:21:31] Toliy: And I thought it was the worst idea. Blade was never for El to go lost money. We lost everything. Like couple times Took out 500. Yeah. And that was lost. And then another five and then again, and I was like, yo, like I only one, because I thought there was no way we were gonna bring this back.

[00:21:44] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:21:44] Toliy: But it's, he only took, 

[00:21:45] Harris: won 500. I five. Dude. Give it to, I went to get 

[00:21:48] Eldar: 10 grand, bro. They didn't do it to 

[00:21:49] Harris: me. Yeah. They only gave you 500 and then they went, tried to take out and that 

[00:21:52] Toliy: 500 was lost. Yes. And then, and then he took out another, um, because I remember you took out the 

[00:21:58] Harris: 500, you went to put the card in again.

It said No, you I used another card. Yeah. And I 

[00:22:02] Eldar: used another card. It was 500 limit. They know this, they do this on purpose. 'cause statistically, if you keep going sooner or later you'll hit, you know, but you have to have the balls to keep going. Yeah. You know, you can't keep, if you are doing everything right, you should hit 

[00:22:15] Toliy: that.

That's also why they have the, uh, the cap on the bet. 

[00:22:19] Eldar: Ah, 

[00:22:20] Toliy: you know, the, the table minimum bet is five, is is 25. They have a cap. It's 2000. Yeah. 'cause you, if you just have an infinite bet mm-hmm. You just keep doubling that. That's the accounting strategy. You keep doubling the bet every time you lose. Yeah.

And then you go back to the Yeah. The regular one. You go back Yeah. If you win. 

Yeah. Mm-hmm. 

[00:22:36] Toliy: And every time you, if you lose five in a row, you're doubling five times in a row. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you get everything back now on that one win. 

That's right. 

[00:22:43] Toliy: But then they have a limit for that. 

Yeah, of course.

But 

[00:22:45] Toliy: al also, yeah. If you're gonna hit that limit, like you don't have to lose like, I don't know how many in a row, but, but, but it's possible. 

[00:22:51] Eldar: Yeah. So do you understand? So we are operating out of something very sim very different. Right. What we are trying to get out of this whole thing is to, I say not. Go over there and hit the casino over the head and win a lot of money.

Most importantly, if we can go there as a unit unit and try to have fun. Right. If we can have fun, great. You know what I mean? That's, that's, that's a win. You know, if we make some more money on it, great. 

[00:23:18] Toliy: Do, do you remember Mike? But it's not gonna change our lives. That one night when, when, um, um, I think that you lost, but I, I was winning and I had like mm-hmm.

I don't know. Like it was what, what I have like six, $700 or something when I went to Philly. Yeah. And we were walking out and I told Mike like, yo, if you, if, if you see like, like seven, eight or something crazy, like reds in a own roulette, let me know. I'm gonna go there and I'm gonna be black because like, I'm in a row ally.

Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna go. He saw that and then it was crazy. I, I, I, I was up like, I don't know if it was like six, seven, $800. Mm-hmm. And we're already walking out. Mm-hmm. Like, we're done. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Right. And then he shows me, he's like, yo, look it, there's like six, seven reds in a row. And I go and I put it like three more times.

Mm-hmm. On black. Yeah. And it was three times more in a row, red, and I lost everything. Everything. Mm-hmm. But like we walked like, it was like a fun, like, it was like, what are the odds? We had a good time. Yeah. But it was a fun thing. The thing is, you needed 

[00:24:07] Eldar: a bigger role. That's the thing. If you did a bigger bank and just keep hitting the black five, 500,000.

But it was 

[00:24:13] Toliy: like an absurd thing. It was already like when we got there. Yeah. Like six, seven in a row. Read out there. Yeah. Yeah. And then it was, 

[00:24:19] Harris: it was like two, three more bets in a row. Again. I'm gonna do something here that's hopefully redeems everything. Listen, you're 

[00:24:25] Eldar: not gonna 

[00:24:25] Harris: be able to impress on that.

Yes, 

[00:24:26] Eldar: Mike, 

[00:24:27] Harris: take 170 off my tab. 

[00:24:31] Eldar: Whoa. What does that mean? You mean your debt getting rid? Yeah. Not your tab, your debt. Oh yeah, my debt. Whoa. 

[00:24:37] Mike: Wow. Those big bucks. Well, you gotta see if it's approved by the council. Man. I don't want council. Listen, 

[00:24:45] Harris: I'm trying to get back on the ship. 

[00:24:47] Eldar: Yeah, but I'm getting rid of the money.

Why don't you give told me 

[00:24:49] Mike: the money then instead. 

[00:24:50] Eldar: The thing is, did you learn the lesson? I did. That's why I'm trying to get back on the shift. Yeah. What's, 

[00:24:54] Toliy: what's the lesson? 

[00:24:56] Harris: The lesson is I need to listen to you more because these guys are setting me up for the fall. 

[00:25:01] Mike: That's it. That end 

[00:25:02] Harris: the podcast, Rob?

Yeah. End, end the podcast. Set me up for 

[00:25:05] Eldar: the fall. We're setting you up for the fall. Why? I'm just saying No, you seen that's totally what you did. The downfall. What? I mean, I did you, you, you buying, he's buying out from learning. Like what? Yes. Yeah, but that's impossible. 

[00:25:18] Harris: No, basically you want me, what you guys are doing is trying to teach me the lesson the hard way.

Yeah. No, wait, no, no way. Your way. We're not trying 

[00:25:26] Eldar: to teach you way teaching you, we letting you way I'm trying to teach you the hard way. Yes. We're just trying to teach you the way you learn by hitting your head over the, over the, over the wall. Son of 

[00:25:36] Harris: a bitch. And I don't listen to my advisors. Yeah. And it just keeps getting me in trouble.

So I figure getting rid of the money uhhuh and paying back a debt rather than. 

[00:25:46] Toliy: Yeah. RT right now is, uh, going against looking for bananas in the kitchen. Yeah. Listen. 

[00:25:52] Harris: True. We to get back on the cheerleading squad and if the night goes good, then that goes good. 

[00:25:56] Eldar: Correct. And that's, that's what we're trying to say.

Right. At the end of the day, we listen, we can try to salvage the night. Sure. And that's a good move. I think overall, I think that that maybe proves a little bit of that. You get something out of it. The whole point was to keep that energy that you went on the ball and you needed to do 10 seconds. I think 

[00:26:14] Harris: I need to go back on the ball and try to do it.

[00:26:15] Eldar: That's game. Okay. Try to repeat. You just want to tickle your butt hole again. No, bro. Well that's good. Maybe we can get the mood back. Listen, no, we got the mood back. As, as long as you learn and understand what's happening to you. Yes. You know what I mean? We got the mood back. Nobody, the mood is easy. Yeah.

The mood is easy as long as you understand for 

[00:26:32] Mike: you. Yeah. What we're trying to. 

[00:26:35] Eldar: What we're trying to say, Harris, is that at the end of the day, if you with us or you're trying to ride with us, we don't want you to feel like you left out. Obviously. Like that's not the case here. Yeah. If you tell 

[00:26:45] Toliy: me I'm gonna go there and five x my, my, my money, but I know that for a fact Harris is gonna have a bad time or like not be able to participate or like not enjoy himself.

I'd rather not win any money 

[00:26:56] Harris: here. Um, I'm Is it approved by the council? 

[00:26:58] Toliy: Yeah, 

[00:26:59] Harris: totally. 

[00:27:00] Eldar: What? Yeah, it is because it's a, it's a, you, you, you're taking a hit. You've taken a 20% hit on your money, potentially even more because when it hits a hundred dollars, you just gave away 170 nano. 

[00:27:13] Mike: Okay. Holy shit. That's lot.

Money. Money. That's gotta be paid, 

[00:27:15] Eldar: man. 

[00:27:16] Mike: Yeah. Yeah. Good. All right, Harris. I'll take it off. Good. You wanted, uh, 170 off or you wanted a discounted rate? 

[00:27:23] Harris: Uh, just, just one thing to be a good cheerleader. 

[00:27:26] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:27:26] Harris: Uhhuh. I think I'm gonna need to start drinking early. 

[00:27:31] Eldar: Yeah. The thing is, well, listen, 

we also don't want you to become a fucking drunk.

[00:27:35] Harris: You know what I mean? What do you mean a drunk? We don't want carry, we don't want to carry 

[00:27:38] Eldar: you out on the, on the stretcher. We're all gonna, from the casino, we come 

[00:27:40] Harris: on 

[00:27:40] Eldar: now. When we go to the casino, we get a little wild. No, 

I 

don't know what you mean by that, man. What about you signing us up for like, should we have contact Andy?

Andy? 

We will contact them. Mike will contact Andy. Don't worry. We're gonna, we're gonna send 'em email today. We're gonna say, Andy, be ready by 8:00 PM We're picking you up. Give us the address. 

It's wrong. We don't what's, that's exactly what, it's not gonna be any funny business going on. He doesn't have to sit on your lap.

No. What is wrong with you, bro? You could sit on his. Fuck you, man. Yeah, yeah. 

[00:28:08] Toliy: If there's no room in the car, man, 

[00:28:10] Eldar: come on here. Come on now. Andy, Andy's 

[00:28:12] Harris: old man. He can, he doesn't feel anything below the belt anyway. Yeah, we could take the Y. Yeah, we could take the Y. Yeah. And uh, Andy can sit in the trunk for sure.

[00:28:20] Eldar: And the wheelchair 

[00:28:22] Harris: doesn't have a way of turn, man. 

[00:28:23] Eldar: So do you understand that you the one who creates the divide? Yeah. You do. I keep fucking 

[00:28:29] Harris: up. Why?

I think, I don't know. Stubborn. Maybe it goes back to the ego. Why are you shaky? Man? I'm not shaky 

[00:28:41] Toliy: because look at your foot. I'm nervous, man. Because why are you nervous? What's happening 

[00:28:44] Eldar: with Harris? Does he understand what we're saying or no? 

[00:28:48] Harris: Cousin doesn't even understand what you're saying. Oh, okay.

He's in the same boat I am, bro. Oh shit. Ola.

[00:29:01] Tolis: I don't know if, uh, that was a trap for me in Aruba, but they offered me the same thing. Like, you what? And I didn't take it. What, 

[00:29:11] Mike: what was the trap? There was no trap. What 

[00:29:12] Harris: did you offer? No. What was for you, bro? They were up. They offered for you to play? Yeah, we didn't. You turned it down, bro. Yeah, they were up by a shit ton, bro.

You turned it down, you're like, no, I don't wanna, no, that wasn't a trap at all. I don't wanna play. No, no, no. 

[00:29:24] Tolis: But before that, Mike offered me, like, 

[00:29:28] Harris: SGE, SGE went out with the boys, man. He, he did, uh, what was it, a hundred on the, on the slots. Man, Serge fucked up man. He's a nut, nut. He fucked the whole thing up.

He messed, bro. He put it in and then completely, he, he clicked something to only fucking go down one. 

[00:29:41] Mike: No. He clicked a button instead of pulling a lever in. Yeah, that's, that was the whole thing. He clicked a button. Yeah. And it 

[00:29:46] Harris: went fucking won. 

[00:29:47] Mike: Yeah. Hundred $100 on one fucking Pressable button. Whoever played that machine.

Next one, jackpot, a hundred percent loaded it. 

[00:29:55] Harris: And then he blamed it on, you know, fucking motherfuckers. You told me to be Max man. 

[00:30:01] Eldar: All right, so, so we love you, man, because you felt like you were, the trap was set for you on, uh, in Aruba. Yeah. Really? Yeah. 

[00:30:09] Tolis: Mm-hmm. 

[00:30:09] Eldar: What do you mean? You were up on which, on which example?

[00:30:11] Tolis: No, before that, the first night. 

[00:30:13] Eldar: Yeah. They offered, we were up. They offered you money to jump in before 

[00:30:17] Tolis: even you guys start playing. 

[00:30:19] Eldar: I only offered when we, when I was winning. Yeah. No, before that Mike did. Oh, Mike did? Okay. I don't know what Mike did. Mike, you 

[00:30:24] Harris: No. You set him up. You offered him to get in? No.

You said, Hey, you wanna play getting up. He said no. And then you took the trips for a minute. 

[00:30:33] Tolis: He's saying I did it before. He, he, he offered me like, you, you, you wanna play like a slot or something? Yeah, you can, uh, it was him being 

[00:30:40] Harris: nice, man. I, 

[00:30:40] Tolis: I can give you money. You can send me to PayPal. 

[00:30:43] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:30:43] Tolis: He, he told me that.

Okay. 

[00:30:44] Eldar: But he was being nice. I I 

[00:30:46] Tolis: in the same hole. 

[00:30:47] Eldar: But, but you weren't going around. You weren't going around like asking or like trying, right? No. Yeah. 'cause he's going around trying. Yeah, but 

[00:30:55] Tolis: I'm, I'm in debt also, so I said like, I don't wanna make the hole bigger, you know? 

[00:31:00] Eldar: Okay. Yeah. Then, then you made the right choice.

Yeah, that's, 

[00:31:03] Tolis: yeah. But I know if that was a problem, but No, no, no, no. Because I think 

[00:31:06] Harris: cousin just doesn't like gambling because you were up a lot and you got up and you asked cousin if he wanted to sit in. Yeah. No, no, no questions. No nothing. Yeah. I just don't think you like gambling Powell, because you, you didn't even send I on the offer bro.

Tommy fucking took it, put in with L Chips. He, he was in it. And guess what? Tommy's winning until, 

[00:31:25] Eldar: I guess he got a big head until he, uh, until he wasn't. I think 

[00:31:27] Harris: it's 

[00:31:28] Toliy: the opposite. I think 'cause loves gambling. 

[00:31:30] Eldar: I 

[00:31:30] Toliy: don't think he does. I think he loves it. He loves slots. 

[00:31:34] Eldar: He said that he likes it. He a hundred percent likes it, but he doesn't gamble with us.

Well because he, he, you know it bit him when he ass already. 

[00:31:41] Tolis: Yeah, 

[00:31:42] Eldar: but he hasn't had someone in his corner like to Sure you 

[00:31:47] Harris: can say that.

Do you? And I asked him what his blackjack move was, and it was against everything totally so far. Taught me.

I like it. His response was, you always hit on 18. No, you fucking don't. You only hit on 18. What do you mean 18? Yeah, you, he says you hit on 18. It's the rule of the game. 

[00:32:09] Tolis: No, it's by the book. It's not by the book, man. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. 

[00:32:13] Eldar: It's not by the book. How do you hit 18? It's not by the, he goes, 

[00:32:16] Harris: if you have 18, you hit no.

No, you fucking stay. If the dealer's showing 20, wait a second. No. If the dealer's showing a 10, it's not by the book. 

[00:32:24] Tolis: If the dealer has like 10 and you have like 12. I was always 

[00:32:29] Harris: taught the opposite way. You hit yes 

[00:32:31] Tolis: no matter what. Do you agree with this? 

[00:32:33] Harris: With 

[00:32:33] Tolis: 12, 

[00:32:33] Harris: but not 18? No, no, no. He said if the dealer has a 10 Yeah.

And you have an 18, you don't hit, you don't you hit, you hit. No, you don't 

[00:32:41] Mike: hit. You 

[00:32:41] Harris: don't hit because he can have a 

[00:32:42] Toliy: three, he can have a five. Five. The example that he just said, if the dealer's showing a 10, you have 12. Yes. No, no, no, no, no, no, 

[00:32:48] Harris: no, no. That makes sense. But not 18. No, no, no. He was saying if you showing an 18, right?

No, I'm just telling the has a 10 you hit. That's the rule of the book is you hit. 18. Cause that's like a stupid thing, huh? No, no. You said 18 pal. You said the come on the best black. He said the best blackjack dealer. Best blackjack player in the world said you always hit on 18, you hit on a soft 18, bro.

Know what that means? Soft. You got an when you have an Ace Soft 17. Yeah. Yeah, 

[00:33:17] Eldar: sure. I see how you can hit that. Nothing to lose. [00:33:20] Yes. I see how you can hit that. Yeah, but he just saying no. When you have an 18, you always hit They have a 

[00:33:25] Harris: 10. Get the fuck outta here man. I'm not hitting on a fucking 18. It's most likely to fucking bust.

Yes. 

[00:33:32] Tolis: You don't know how to play, man. And that's okay. You 

[00:33:35] Harris: don't know. Yes. Okay. You can keep thinking your way. Let's see how you it tonight. My guy. I'm, I'm not playing. So holy shit. Then why the fuck are we gonna, the casino? Let's go casino. Let's go to casino, let's go. We're gonna go. He is 

[00:33:47] Eldar: for us to win. And then we're gonna go to strip club.

[00:33:50] Harris: He, he said, no, I have 200. I, I want to play. I want to play. It's the only way I'm gonna go to casino strip club. If I have money. If I have the money. Yeah. 

[00:33:59] Eldar: Oh my God. Oh my God. That's the way I, I think he loves you, dude. Alright. Um, so you learned to know? 

[00:34:06] Mike: Yeah. Can you tell us what, or that's pushing la 

[00:34:10] Harris: I have to stop making the same mistakes over and over again.

I have to learn to roll with the boys. Uh, 

[00:34:16] Eldar: I'm not sure. Yeah. I'm not sure if you, if you have to, maybe you want to. Right. It's not a have to, right. No, it's not a have to. I'm gonna do anything because at the end of day, I'm taking 

[00:34:24] Harris: myself deeper and deeper into a fucking hole. I have a, I'm gonna admit it. I have a speeding ticket that's gonna cost me a shit ton to take care of.

[00:34:33] Eldar: That's right. 

[00:34:34] Harris: Uh, yeah. On top of that with a lawyer. 

[00:34:36] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. Uh, 

[00:34:38] Harris: and 

[00:34:39] Eldar: you know, and you know what? You know what? You know what? I'm gonna stop you right there. I'm gonna stop you right there. I'm gonna use your memory against, against you. Oh, my. Good memory against you. Mm-hmm. You said earlier like, oh hey, I don't want to be left out.

Yeah. Every time. Every time I go against it. No, no, no, no, no. Wait. Every time when we watch UFC and I got some polls hitting you always giving. Yeah. I always let you in. Yeah. And totally is like, what the fuck? You know what I mean? Like, and you are like, we only have to win like two outta six or whatever.

Two outta five or one out of five, and then I let you in on it. Right. It's a very easy, like no-brainer Bet I always give it to you. Right. You even bargain with me. 

[00:35:21] Harris: Yeah, 

[00:35:21] Eldar: right. You get a good deal on it. Yeah, I know. But the unknown, right? Wait, wait, wait a second. I'm trying to make a point here. Yeah, I know.

Your argument is like, Hey, I don't wanna be left out. Like. That flew in my mind. Right? No, no. But when did we ever leave you out? You never have. 

[00:35:36] Harris: So what the fuck? That blew my mind. Right? So that's disrespectful. Yeah. No, it's not disrespectful. It's very disrespectful. 'cause I believe that even watching could fuck everything up because I am, I don't wanna say scarred from I'm calling you out.

Crispy. Scarred from Crispy, crispy. Fucking watch my play. 

[00:35:56] Mike: Yeah. Oh, and I lost what? Oh, I know what he's saying. I He blamed it on Crispy. No, what? I think I understood what he said. So I'm a, I translate this. I don't, don't what he said either. The, that's not the case. Alright. Let's see if you guys both understood the same thing.

All right. He's saying that if he was go there Uhhuh and he would have to watch and he would see us winning, he would be like, fuck these cock suckers. No, they're winning. But I can't play. No, no. Gimme a second. Let's wait for totally now. No, 

[00:36:20] Harris: no, 

[00:36:21] Eldar: no. Okay fine for that. Even what I was saying. So let's totally try.

Let's totally try and then you'll explain it. 

[00:36:26] Toliy: First off, I remember the last time. Um, I remember the last time where he didn't play and had to watch. Okay. How was that? I remember what was going on. I don't remember this, this is when I was playing in Philly. Okay. And he cashed out. 

[00:36:39] Eldar: Okay. 

[00:36:40] Toliy: He was standing there 

[00:36:40] Eldar: Okay.

[00:36:41] Toliy: With us. 

[00:36:42] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:36:42] Toliy: And he was giving no energy. He was like a crispy, 

[00:36:46] Eldar: he sitting it, he saying it. You are a selfish buster. I'm not 

[00:36:51] Harris: selfish. You don't. When I pulled out, he doesn't want us to win. When I pulled out wins. It's not that, don't want you to win. It's not, has nothing to do with that. But I'm afraid I'm gonna fucking ush it as well.

Yeah. And when I was No, but you, when I was, 

[00:37:03] Toliy: when I kept like losing it, kept going down and down. Even said, see, I told you. Yeah. 

[00:37:08] Harris: See, he, 

[00:37:08] Toliy: he, he doesn't want us to, 

[00:37:11] Harris: I try to advising the team. I was always taught when you're, when you're losing, you walk away. I think that, yeah, nothing until we synchronize and 

[00:37:19] Eldar: understand like what we're doing together.

It's not gonna be a fun, you somebody's, you guys are 

[00:37:24] Harris: misunderstanding what I'm saying the whole time. No, we are, I 

[00:37:26] Eldar: now I understand everything that's happening. I, I 

[00:37:28] Harris: feel like I'm gonna be a mush. 

[00:37:29] Eldar: Well, absolutely. 'cause you are. Thanks man. Yeah, 

[00:37:32] Harris: thanks, man. 

[00:37:33] Eldar: You guys feel like there's gonna be, well, if Tony's losing, right?

Like, like I showed in Aruba, he said it when totally was losing and he lost. What did I do? I went to the, at tm, I took out the money and I gave him more money. I said, go fuck them again. He lost, I gave him more money. I said, go fuck them, because, you know what I mean? Right Now 

[00:37:53] Harris: I feel like I don't want to be like crispy.

Right. Crispy wasn't giving off any energy. Yeah. He 

[00:37:59] Eldar: was, he wasn't saying 

[00:38:00] Harris: a fucking word. 

[00:38:01] Eldar: Well, why wouldn't you like, yeah, but why, if, 

[00:38:04] Toliy: if you know this, how could you act that way? 

[00:38:06] Eldar: Yeah. Like if you know this right? Like, because I'm a fucking mush. No, 

[00:38:12] Toliy: but you can control how you act and what kind of, what's called energy that you're giving and what kind of support.

Yeah, you 

[00:38:19] Eldar: give. Like usually when I'm like, I suck and I know it and like my strategy doesn't always work. If it works, great if it doesn't, whatever. But I know that like totally iss paying attention a lot more to it. So I know that I can ride totally wave and help him with his wave by being strong, by being, talking shit to the dealer or hyping people up and stuff like that and hyping him up.

Or like giving him confidence to say, I'm 

[00:38:40] Harris: afraid to talk shit to the dealer. 'cause they do have the control to telling the pit barss, Hey, these motherfuckers outta control to get the fuck outta you. 

[00:38:46] Eldar: No, but he's not doing anything, so I'm not, what is he doing? I'm not doing anything illegal. I'm not punching a spitty at him.

Like, whatcha talking about? No, but 

[00:38:52] Harris: we did call the 

[00:38:52] Eldar: last dealer. Uh, 

[00:38:54] Harris: I was, yeah, but I was, 

[00:38:55] Eldar: I was, I was assessing the situation. I saw that we were having fun, they saw it and I was yelling at him because he was playing along with me. I'm afraid 

[00:39:02] Harris: I'm gonna mush it. Yeah. And you guys are gonna lose. 

[00:39:05] Eldar: All right, listen.

So that's 

[00:39:05] Mike: good. That's good that you at least, yeah, but the thing is, it's not like an accidental mush. It's not, 

[00:39:12] Eldar: but he doesn't know how to control it. He doesn't know how to control it. You know what I mean? Obviously, like if you're going in there with predetermined attachments, right, like real attachments to like, I'm not 

[00:39:20] Harris: going in at all 'cause I don't have any money in the race.

[00:39:22] Eldar: Yeah, that's what I'm saying then. Then you, you can control your attitude. You know, I don't have 

[00:39:26] Harris: any money in the race, so let's be real. 

[00:39:28] Eldar: Okay. I don't, 

[00:39:30] Toliy: what does that mean? 

[00:39:33] Harris: He's saying when I was going in there, I had an attitude that I was gonna win. And when I saw you losing, I pulled out and took my win.

Yeah, 

[00:39:44] Harris: that's what he's saying right now. I'm going in with a different attitude. 

[00:39:48] Mike: What's attitude you going in with now? I 

[00:39:50] Harris: don't have any money in the race, so either way I'm not gonna, but what if you try to sabotage us? I'm not trying to sabotage anyone. 

[00:39:55] Eldar: What about in the moment? Can you genuinely have a feeling where you are happy for totally winning and doing well?

Yeah. Like if you, I mean, I'm not demanding it. I'm almost, yeah, no, 

[00:40:07] Toliy: I, I would say my, my feeling right now is no, and it's not because Yeah. If he's a bad person, but yeah, like, like having that kind of genuine energy for someone else, like, like you, you, you probably need more of your cup to be full. Yeah. To to be happy for others.

Yeah. Like in, in that kind of way. So you're 

[00:40:24] Eldar: saying 

[00:40:24] Harris: I'm gonna mush 

[00:40:25] Eldar: it basically. No, no. Not necessarily. It doesn't mean that like your emotions is stronger than our abilities either, but you know what I mean. Um, Gary, you 

[00:40:32] Harris: don't feel like I can root for you guys as much as that? 

[00:40:36] Eldar: No. He's saying that genuinely, maybe you can't just yet because your, your cup is not full.

Right? Because you have a crater, you have a hole, you have a financial hole, uh, that hole and all the, all the holes that you have, you that you're working on, right? So because of that, being genuinely happy for others, and I think this is a very good topic, right? We can segment right into this, right? That if you're not feeling well, if your cup is not full right, if's nothing that can come out of it to give back.

Because if you did, then you can give back something. So I think this is, this is a very good topic and I, we talked to cousin. I talked to cousin about this. You know where a lot of times we meet, I meet examples, 

[00:41:11] Harris: cousin. We're the cheerleaders tonight. Do you understand what I'm saying? And do I need to speak in Greek?

How do you say that in Greek? Al dark. 

Huh? 

[00:41:19] Harris: I You say that in Greek? 

[00:41:21] Eldar: Mm-hmm. You don't speak. You don't speak Greek? No, not yet, but I think he understands. Okay. I'm gonna use Google Translate for you. 

[00:41:30] Tolis: I'm good. I'm 

[00:41:30] Eldar: good. He understands. I understand. It's okay. Show him the picture of one though. Show him a picture of one with a skimpy dress.

This is what he has to wear. That's what you both have to wear today then. What 

[00:41:41] Harris: do you mean, bro? What you said? Well, you can't men wear men's outfit. 

[00:41:43] Eldar: Yeah, 

we're gonna have these. The pompoms. Yeah. 

[00:41:45] Harris: Pompoms.

[00:41:49] Eldar: Yeah. That's what you gotta 

[00:41:50] Harris: wear. Yay. Yeah. This is a good topic. Did you tell your sister? I said, what's up? 

[00:41:57] Eldar: Yes. 

[00:41:58] Harris: You know what? Say 

[00:41:59] Eldar: she didn't respond. That's fucked up. That's 

because you didn't 

send the picture of the Bulge? 

[00:42:04] Harris: No, dude, I, I to, I I I took the picture, sir. Sent man. Oh, the Nubby. The supercars?

[00:42:10] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:42:10] Harris: Yeah. I send that thesis. You okay, good. She wants the American boy play. Yeah, I think she loves you man. 

[00:42:19] Eldar: I think she already loves you. Yeah. 

[00:42:22] Harris: Alright. I just like, 'cause like I'm like, Hey, your sister can get a green card. He goes, what about me? I said, I don't know. There might be like an application, right?

For family members. There is application for family, uh, people that came in, you know? 

[00:42:32] Eldar: Yeah, there is. So you guys have anything else to say on this topic? 'cause what do you think? Did we do a good job on this whole gambling thing and Harris thing that happened? 

[00:42:41] Harris: Your cheerleader might wear a Versace rope today.

That's all I'm saying. 

[00:42:45] Tolis: Oh shit. I think he's lying. Little bit. I'm little bit not lying. 

Yeah, 

[00:42:48] Tolis: yeah. What do you mean? How so? How so he's using your words? 

Yeah, like. 

[00:42:54] Tolis: What you guys gonna hear. 

[00:42:55] Harris: Yeah, 

[00:42:56] Tolis: he's, 

[00:42:57] Harris: well, I guess the only way to find out is tonight. 

[00:42:59] Tolis: Oh, I think he's lying. He doesn't want this. 

[00:43:03] Eldar: He doesn't, he he doesn't believe in this strategy, this thing.

[00:43:05] Tolis: No. What? And he doesn't want to come to casino right now. Yeah. And just sit there. Sit there and cheerleading. 

[00:43:11] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:43:11] Harris: I think I just proved I did, bro. I just paid over. He's gonna try, he's gonna try his best because 

[00:43:16] Tolis: Yeah, you guys stole him all this stuff, but he 

[00:43:19] Eldar: doesn't actually understand it. 

[00:43:20] Tolis: No, he, he, he feels like bad right now.

He feels bad. So he says like, okay, I'm gonna do whatever, whatever they say, 

[00:43:26] Mike: yeah, 

[00:43:27] Tolis: I'll do this. That's, that's the Ferris 

[00:43:29] Toliy: suspect. 

[00:43:29] Mike: Alright, I have an idea. Then we all drive to the casino. He waits in the car and then we, then he drives us home. 

[00:43:34] Harris: Oh, screw you man. What the, you're my taxi driver? 

[00:43:38] Mike: Well, well, well we can send you to the Chinese buffet.

Definitely. I'm not, I'm not driving there. I'm no fine. We can teach you in the Chinese buffet, buffet. 'cause 

[00:43:44] Tolis: the best thing is like we go, we going to casino. He doesn't. He stays like home. Like he stays home. Yeah. Or whatever. He comes, 

[00:43:53] Mike: he goes with the money, he goes to the Chinese buffet. 

[00:43:55] Eldar: How about this? We go to the casino, we play some big bets.

We make big money, and then we come back with the money and we take you to the strip club and 

[00:44:06] Mike: we'll get you a nice succulent girl. Oh, 

[00:44:09] Eldar: that's fucked up, dude. And yes, I'm, 

[00:44:11] Harris: I'm fucked and I'm gonna pay 

[00:44:12] Eldar: for the 

[00:44:12] Mike: full service of this. Wait, why, why is fucked up, fucked 

[00:44:14] Harris: up? Right? That's a, that's a, that's a different idea.

Yeah. But you're not letting me prove that I'm not a mush and I'm my heart's in it, so. 

[00:44:20] Mike: Mm. Wow. You know what he's intent on the 

[00:44:24] Eldar: what? S has a pretty funny idea. That's funny. Yeah. 

[00:44:27] Harris: That's fucked up. And now I feel like you, 

[00:44:30] Mike: we come in there, we do five 

[00:44:31] Eldar: bets. 

[00:44:32] Mike: Listen, it's 

[00:44:32] Eldar: definitely big green card form, dude. No, no.

Listen, forget about the green card part. We're just entertaining the idea whether or not it can actually wash away your sins. 

[00:44:40] Harris: That's not gonna wash away my sins because right now I gotta prove my heart 10. And I want you guys to win. So either way, that's not doing anything for me, man. This 

[00:44:47] Mike: is a cause, man, damn dude.

He's, he is writing a good cause. Damn. That's crazy. Cause it's, I like it though. 

[00:44:53] Tolis: No, it is good. He didn't the first time. You can't prove nothing right now. You, you just changed your mind because like, this shit like, then you shouldn't 

[00:45:01] Harris: be going to the casino either, man, because fucked up as me. 

[00:45:03] Tolis: I don't care.

[00:45:06] Harris: Wait, what, what, what, what is him going have, have to do with it? I'm just saying he shouldn't be, you know That's what you saying. We don't deserve to have any fun is what you're saying. Wow. 

[00:45:17] Tolis: What is fun? 

[00:45:18] Eldar: Who's, who's we though? 

Wow. Wait, why doesn't he deserve to have No, no, no, no, no. Because ask a very good question.

What is fun? 

[00:45:25] Harris: What is fun? You going with the boys? You're spending time with the boys to spend time. Yeah. 

[00:45:30] Toliy: No, but that's what you're saying now. We're doing that right now. Yeah. So now, originally it was, no, I'm only gonna have fun if I have money and I'm not gonna have fun. That's before 

[00:45:38] Harris: I realized where the fuck everybody's mindset was.

[00:45:41] Toliy: Yeah. But that's everybody else's mindset, not yours. Because 

[00:45:44] Eldar: I didn't fully understand what was going on. He's saying he 

[00:45:46] Mike: understands now. 

[00:45:47] Eldar: Yeah. And cuss saying he doesn't. 

[00:45:49] Toliy: Yeah. KO's saying he is lying to, to us and to himself. 

[00:45:52] Eldar: No, he's, 

[00:45:52] Toliy: well, I, I definitely think that like this, this, like this concept is definitely like, like yeah, he, he's definitely hearing what we're saying and then, and then seeing the situation.

It's making feel guilty. Which is why like when you mess up, you're willing to do that. Well that's called, that's why you asked like, what can I do to get back? Like what, what can I do? Because you wanna redeem yourself, right? 

Yeah. 

[00:46:15] Toliy: Because you feel so shitty. 'cause now you actually see what everyone else saw and you realize it.

Yes. And it makes you feel bad. Okay, Mike, see, you see what I'm saying? 

[00:46:24] Eldar: Yeah. This is what we talked about on the walk when I told you that I Yeah. Don't like this phenomenon. Mm-hmm. I don't want anyone feeling bad and doing it for that reason. Yeah. Because it might not actually be genuine. It's almost a forceful way.

Yes. Right? Yes, of course. Of having somebody to quote unquote learn. Oh yeah. I think so. I think that is why I like this fall part. Yeah. That they learn on their own accord. Yeah. Right. And then they make conclusions on their own time. No, but I don't 

[00:46:50] Toliy: think that learning is like, like I, I don't view it as like, like anything has happened.

Like this is a blurb. 

[00:46:59] Mike: Okay. It is just fucked. It's gonna take a lot more, I think, conversation for Harry to learn. Yeah. This is gonna 

[00:47:04] Toliy: happen again. 

[00:47:05] Mike: Yeah, yeah. Totally would Alzheimer's. Yeah. I guarantee it. The lesson can be learned so fast. Boy, we had a 20 minute come man conversation. 

[00:47:15] Toliy: Yeah, no, it's gonna happen again.

And serious. Say something. It's hard to understand when you defense. 

[00:47:20] Eldar: No, because I'm used to this from, to lake man. Tony's a pessimistic 

fucker, right? He's ne negative. No, but a lot of times he's right. And you know why? Because I know how Alzheimer's works. And I also know how it works. 

[00:47:33] Harris: I mean, we're, we're trying a different strategy with, uh, sales now because Oh 

[00:47:38] Mike: shit, he's gonna 

[00:47:39] Harris: go there.

Oh, let's hear it. Let's go. I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna hurt anybody's feelings here, man. Be 

[00:47:47] Mike: nice, man. 

[00:47:48] Harris: Let's hear it. Come on. You're a nice guy, 

[00:47:50] Mike: man. 

[00:47:50] Harris: I'm not gonna hurt anyone's feeling. Sometimes learning a certain way is what takes for people. So what? Ldar has a different way of, uh, teaching Yeah.

[00:48:04] Eldar: Than you do. And, but do you see my teaching? I just explained to you what I was trying to do here with selling you nano for 20% less. I'll 

setting you up, bro. Well, teaching. You're better. I'm better at learning from different things. Well, that's what, that's what 

it is, is that I try to encourage you to hit your head on the wall while I watch you do it.

Yeah, but that's not, you gotta think about it. That's not 

[00:48:26] Harris: what you're doing with sales buddy. How 

[00:48:28] Eldar: do you know that? How do 

[00:48:28] Harris: you know this? Because you're literally holding my hand through the whole fucking thing, bud. Yeah. 

[00:48:34] Eldar: But you're wasting our money.

You're speaking to people that I can close that totally can close, and they can give us money. You like, how, how are you, why are you holding your breath? 

[00:48:48] Toliy: Yeah. So that seems like, yeah, like how are you making any, I'm getting the 

[00:48:53] Harris: nicotine eye. That's a lot harder right now. Oh, okay. 

[00:48:55] Toliy: How, like, how are you making any assessments at, at all?

[00:49:01] Eldar: I'm the bad one 

[00:49:02] Mike: here. 

[00:49:04] Toliy: Oh, 

[00:49:06] Mike: I think, I think he needs a, something stronger. No. 

[00:49:10] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:49:10] Toliy: Like I, I I don't understand 

[00:49:12] Eldar: that. Yeah, he just told you, right? He tries to do the preventative care. He waves the red flags. He's like, yo, don't step right there. That's a black hole. Right? You're gonna fall, you're gonna hurt yourself.

No, 

[00:49:22] Toliy: but, but only on, on, on, on some things. I feel like I'm getting, I. Like I, I, I'm getting more and more comfortable with, with, uh, letting the person fail. 

Okay. Oh, shit. 

[00:49:35] Eldar: Yeah. So, you know what I mean? I, I did not find a better way yet, you know, a faster way, a more efficient way. No, that is why I use what I use based on what I know.

[00:49:45] Harris: Yeah. 

[00:49:46] Eldar: You know? But I'm okay with you failing. I feel like it, and I'll be there 

[00:49:50] Harris: to catch you just right here, right? Yeah. In sales at least. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like it's a better way. 

[00:49:58] Eldar: Okay. [00:50:00] We'll see. Time will tell. We don't know yet. You know what I mean? Time will tell if it is or not. You know, that's also my theories applied on you.

You know, we're gonna see if it works. I hope it works. You, you gonna 

[00:50:12] Harris: call the people from Nebraska 

[00:50:14] Eldar: back? Yeah. She texted, said, can I call you later? What? She texted and said. The, the number, um, general number. And she said, can I call you back? Did she? And, and I said, yeah, you can call me, call us back. As long as you send us titties.

What's wrong with you? Send a picture of your tit. I like you, man. 

Yeah. 

So, uh, yeah. You don't know Harris. 

Only time will tell. Only time we'll tell no one can predict anything really. Yeah. Thing, well, 

we 

can, 

based on some stuff, if you really identify all the variables that are placed. Yeah. But if you, if you say that every time, 

[00:50:50] Harris: then it sounds like it's never gonna happen.

Let's put it that way with what if you keep saying the same things are gonna happen over and over again. You're gonna keep saying that every time? Me? No. Oh no. I'm optimistic usually. Yeah. But he, yeah. You know. He wishes you well. Yeah, I know. But if you're saying I'm gonna make the same mistakes every time, you're gonna keep saying that after each time and it's never gonna change, is what you're 

[00:51:15] Eldar: saying.

Well, okay, then ask him what needs to happen or what I need to show you in order for you to then change your mind. Ask him. Yeah. What? Well, you try to say it for what? For what? He's asking. Like, look, right now, you, you just keep saying that like it's gonna happen again. Like you're being pessimistic or whatever.

My question to, to him, through you, to you, to him through, through him, is what does he need to show in order for you to be like, oh, okay, this time is different. He actually learned and I don't, I It's there's a higher chance that he's actually gonna not repeat the same mistake. 

[00:51:47] Toliy: Um, yeah. There's only one way.

[00:51:51] Mike: Oh, wow. Spit it out bud. That you know of. 

[00:51:57] Eldar: I think 

[00:51:57] Toliy: there's only one 

[00:51:58] Mike: way. 

[00:51:58] Eldar: Only one way. 

Not, not that. Just 

not that. Okay. It's 

totally way of the highway. 

How many boo, how many tits would you willing to show right now for this answer? What is wrong? If you had 10 tits, would you show all 10? Is your curiosity peaking?

Yeah, I'd show all 10. Okay, cool. Show two right 

now. 

[00:52:21] Harris: What the fuck is happening? I'm a man bro. You never seen man Teddy before? Seen man seen no man Teddy before. This is what weight, this is what weight gets you, boy, because 

[00:52:35] Tolis: you need to exercise. Man, 

[00:52:37] Harris: yo. 'cause cus was looking for like three minutes. I think he got a little's wrong with you.

Alright. 

[00:52:42] Toliy: Totally solved. 

[00:52:44] Eldar: Give it 

to 

[00:52:44] Toliy: him. Yeah. I think that, um, the only way to learn a different way is in the moments where you think, you know, you actually have to like. I don't have the word to stop yourself, but you actually have to not know and ask. 

[00:53:00] Harris: So you're going back to the ego again. Yeah. 

[00:53:06] Toliy: Yeah.

Because the, the reason why I'm saying that is because I know there's gonna be moments right where decisions need to be made. And I know in those moments you will feel confident enough to make those decisions. And when you make those decisions from your cur current operating system, they're always going to be a particular way.

[00:53:27] Harris: But, so it's back to the ego, basically. 

[00:53:28] Eldar: Yeah. But did he not do a decent job at picking up how you felt and then actually prying you open? 

[00:53:33] Toliy: Oh, yeah. Yeah. I, I, I know I cracked. I knew, I knew that. Like I, I knew, I knew exactly how he felt. Yeah. And I knew that he was guilty the whole time. 

[00:53:43] Eldar: Yeah, no, I know. But I knew nonetheless he did do, do a good job by prying you open and then trying to Well, that change situation.

[00:53:50] Toliy: Yeah. Well, that's because I put up a wall, 

[00:53:52] Eldar: right. 

[00:53:53] Toliy: When I put up a wall, there's, there, there's an attachment to climb over. Oh, it's 

[00:53:58] Harris: a roof all over again. Huh? 

[00:53:59] Toliy: Huh? 

[00:53:59] Harris: It's a roof all over again. 

[00:54:02] Eldar: Yeah. So that's what cousins is saying too. He's saying the only reason why you're willing to do all this and, and ride with this whole situation mm-hmm.

I'm trying is because you're, you're compromised and that you're, you know, you're feeling bad and I'm 

trying to make, I'm trying to make good on what I call Can you learn? I think I should 

[00:54:18] Harris: be, I just think I should be given the chance to make good on that. 

[00:54:22] Mike: You know, I think the, this thing ties in. I agree.

Okay. I think this thing ties into what we had the conversation about the rock bottom. Mm-hmm. People don't learn from the rock bottom because they're desperate. Yeah. So it's impossible for him to learn right now. 

Yeah. 

[00:54:36] Mike: Because he is desperate, because he still wants to go to casino. He wants to have fun, and if he can get a mini session.

Like to get something many philosophy sesh. Yeah. Is it'll be enough. Because ultimately he just wants to touch the chips goal. I'll bring you some chips back if you want. The goal is the chips to play. 

Yeah. 

[00:54:51] Mike: This is not as, this has a much less weight on, so, so then I think causes, 

[00:54:57] Eldar: uh, 

theory stands here. I don't think it stands.

See he has a good, 

he has a good argument. You stay home. We go to casino. Even though I actually was going to casino because of you. Yeah. Okay. Not, I've been to casino with totally. Like, we don't really usually go like you the X factor. We're like, we're going and we're gonna have a blast usually. You know what I mean?

Now it seems like we gotta go, we gotta make shit ton of money. Bring it back to you and we're gonna go party in the strip club 

[00:55:26] Mike: and get you a nice girl and get 

[00:55:28] Eldar: your beak wet to calm you down. 

[00:55:30] Mike: You get 

[00:55:30] Eldar: your release. Take your vote, man. Well, it's not a vote, I think. Take your vote. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's not a vote here.

This is, we are, I, I mean, the way I'm pleading is like, we need your blessing to go and fucking kill it out there. Or you could just wait in the Chinese 

[00:55:45] Mike: buffet. 

[00:55:48] Harris: Go, man, I'll stay home alone. Chris, out alone. 

[00:55:54] Eldar: Yeah. Crispy's 

[00:55:55] Tolis: out, 

[00:55:55] Eldar: dude, because 

[00:55:56] Tolis: Are you buying it? Yeah. He's like, now he's doing the pity party. Yeah, 

[00:56:02] Toliy: we didn't have one.

We didn't have this 

[00:56:04] Harris: morning. We didn't have it. Yes. Wait, puppy, 

[00:56:07] Toliy: dog, guys. One time puppy guys, 

[00:56:08] Harris: man, because now I feel like even more shit

[00:56:13] Toliy: to me in moments of, of like when you get an opportunity to sell, sell out, sometimes you feel like you're getting more, which how it felt like, oh. Now I can get my $200. 

[00:56:26] Harris: No, it was nothing about 200 or 

[00:56:27] Toliy: whatever. Like now, now I can get my money, which feels like you're getting more. Yeah. But the way I felt was like, you're getting way less.

Like if he said if like if, if he said no, like the nanos for like saving and like, this is what we're doing to like build it up, right? Yeah. For example. And then it's different. I'm not touching that. Right. Um, I'm gonna support you guys and then if you guys win, you know, or whatever happens, happens. Right?

Like that would've only like increased that to like where, where, wherever it was. 

[00:56:57] Eldar: But the thing is he can't lean on that because like I said, he doesn't know who we are yet. 

[00:57:00] Toliy: Well 

[00:57:01] Eldar: that, oh, it doesn't remember what our intentions are. 

[00:57:04] Toliy: Well, that and all also like, like he, he doesn't have like the, the currency of like, like when, when someone shows you money.

Yeah. 

[00:57:14] Toliy: It's a very particular thing that you're aware of and that you see. But when someone shows you invisible things that are much higher value. Yeah. You don't see those kind of things. Mm. You know, that is why people sell out for the money. My money. And that's why I also always love those tests where like, you feel like you're being offered more.

Yeah. But you're give giving up actually way more than what, what you're being offered. Yeah. And you're taking like a, uh, like a, some crumbs. Yeah. Crumbs. Give us a movie reference on everything. 

[00:57:44] Mike: Give us a movie reference. 'cause right now it's like you perfectly set it up. 

[00:57:47] Toliy: I do have a movie reference. I do.

Okay. Right. And we all, I hope seen, seen this movie. 

[00:57:53] Eldar: What's the name of it? Can you help us 

[00:57:54] Toliy: with that part? Yes. Yes. It's called Willy Wonka. Oh fuck yeah. I don't remember this. Did you guys see the original Willy Wonka? IK Sorry? Did you see the Willy Wonka original or no, the Factory Chocolate Man. A long time ago.

Yeah, the Chocolate Factory. Yeah. Yeah. Now, right. What happened was. Willy Wonka. Hey, you hearing looks like, oh, he's on 

[00:58:16] Mike: his phone. I, that's it. 

[00:58:16] Toliy: He checked out. Alright. 

[00:58:17] Mike: Checked though. Yeah. Yeah. He is done. The casino's dead and he's not interested in anything at all. 

[00:58:21] Eldar: Really? Cousin was right? Yeah. Are you serious?

[00:58:23] Harris: No. Why your headphones off, man? Because I had him off for the past fucking 20 minutes, bro. 

[00:58:29] Toliy: All 

[00:58:29] Harris: right. 

[00:58:29] Toliy: Time to put them back on. That's He is 

[00:58:30] Harris: done. 

[00:58:31] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:58:31] Toliy: Forget about it. Okay. Alright. What happens was that Will, will Willy Wonka is like regarded as this like secret person, potentially like a bad person. And he is like, uh, I dunno, like I, I, I, I remember exactly why, but he puts out these like, um, I don't remember how many it was.

If it was five, six or like seven Golden um, tickets. Mm-hmm. 

[00:58:53] Tolis: Five. 

[00:58:53] Toliy: Five, right. He said I watched the movie yesterday 'cause Oh, 

[00:58:56] Tolis: the, the original one you watch? Yeah. Oh no, the original was the Jordan de No, I'm talking about the original one. Right. It's the same thing. He called, they copied it. 

[00:59:05] Toliy: Sure. Yes. But the original displayed this better.

Right. It, this plate is better. Right. Um, he was talked about as a bad guy. Elder Wanka. Yeah. By the whole media, all the newspapers. And, and this is take taken in like a long time ago, like, like timeframe, right? Mm-hmm. Um, he was talking about that he's greedy. He's this, he doesn't let people in the factory.

He wants to like, you know, do this. There's, um, you know, this guy, and then they even put it that like, um, that there, there this guy who they depict as like his name is, um, slug worth. Mm-hmm. Who's this like, scary looking dude. And what he's actually saying is that like he's actually trying to go and like, um, like find the Willy Wonka like secrets or whatever.

And so Willy Wonka planted him. Mm-hmm. He planted him saying to the people. So, so, okay, hold on. Sorry. Lemme go back. You're saying a lot of shit. I don't say anything. Yeah. Sorry. Lemme go. Willy Wonka. You know that 

[01:00:00] Eldar: guy that was giving out a little money? It looks like Mike, 

[01:00:01] Toliy: right? Okay. 

Yeah, sure. 

[01:00:03] Toliy: All right.

Look, look, he puts out these five. These five golden, um, tickets. Tickets. Right. Do we want them into, into random chocolate bars all over the world? Yeah. Everyone's like, oh shit. If he announces, if you get this ticket, Uhhuh, you get to go into the chocolate factory, which no one has been into for like decade plus.

Wow. Okay. Everyone's like, and, and he, he's producing things and doing things in different ways where like scientists and people can't figure out how he's doing this secret. People are like, oh, he's doing it's secret black magic. Or like, it's a big secret. It's a big secret. So people are like, oh, shit. Go into the factory.

Right. Okay. So he puts out these tickets and, um, n naturally like, um, rich people start buying up crates and like truckloads of chocolate bars. Oh. To get it. To try to get the ticket. And even the extra rich people. Are hiring people just to open them up and throw them away, not even get the chocolate. Wow.

'cause they want this ticket. Its so Wow. 

[01:00:53] Eldar: Valuable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. That's crazy. 

[01:00:55] Toliy: So they, they start getting all these rich kids of like, uh, their parents are like, um, you're gonna be the worst parent if you don't buy, if, if we don't find a ticket, like, I'm disowning you guys. And the guy's like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

I'm gonna buy you all the chocolate bars. Right. Oh my God. Yeah. Whatever. They start doing this, people start winning one kid in Germany, some other girl in Austria, someone in like Texas, and then Charlie, who is this like super poor kid. Mm-hmm. Right. In this very poor family. Like, they're, they're depicting me as like, they, they, they, they like, they eat like cabbage and water soup.

Mm. 

[01:01:27] Toliy: Right. He's a very nice kid. Like, very nice. And, and like, they depict him in the movie as that like, like he, he's like a very innocent kid. 

Mm-hmm. 

[01:01:37] Toliy: Very innocent with like, like, you know, good traits. Right. And the family's very poor, but they all chipped in and it's his birthday. They got him one of these bars of chocolate.

Just one. Just one. And, and, and then they give it to him and the whole family's huddled up to open it. He eats the ticket. What? No. So he opens it and he's also super excited. Uhhuh. He's like, oh my God, can you imagine that there's a ticket in this? Yeah. Yeah. Chocolate. Mm-hmm. And then the grandpa's like, open it up, it's in there.

Show us the gold. Show. The gold. Like the gr. Yeah. Grandpa's like supporting him. Yeah. He's also like a nice guy. Yeah. Right. He's like, I know it's gonna be in there for sure. Right. And he opens it. It's nothing, it's not there. Mm-hmm. It's not there. Mm-hmm. So then his dreams are like dead. Everything's dead.

Mm-hmm. Then he goes, and next day and he gets another bar. Mm-hmm. 'cause like he finds money, money somewhere. 

Mm-hmm. 

[01:02:29] Toliy: Gets another bar and he has a ticket. 

Okay. 

[01:02:32] Toliy: Right. While everyone's buying up like millions, million of these bars. Yeah. Spending millions of dollars to get it. He gets a ticket. So he's one of the kids.

Mm. 

[01:02:38] Toliy: And what happens is that now every kid can bring like one chaperone, like with them. 

Yeah. 

[01:02:43] Toliy: For the C Chocola tour. Yeah. Right. And then, um, Wonka, what, what, what happens that he plants this guy named Slug Worth mm-hmm. Who's now saying like, yo, like I need you to go in there and this is what I need you to do.

Mm-hmm. And I'm gonna give you this amount of money, or I'm gonna give you this. Slug Worth is portrayed as a guy who's trying to infiltrate the Wonka factory. So he's meeting up with all of these different kids, offering them money, offering their parents this, we'll give you this, we'll give you that, but you gotta go get the secret from the factory.

Mm-hmm. So he's trying to like Yeah. Recruit, recruit them. Yeah. Right. Into being bad. Right. And Wonk is also depicted by this, pers by everybody that he's a bad person. Wonk is depicted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And Slug Worth is not the bad person. 

Mm-hmm. Right. Okay. 

[01:03:26] Toliy: So even though Slug Worth is the bad person and Wonka is the good guy, sort, sort of, yeah.

Okay. Right. But, but Wonka's planted by slug worth. Oh, he is? No Wonka planted slug words. No. Yeah. The other one. You confusing me now? Yeah. Wonka planted slug worth. Okay. To test everybody. Ah, okay. Okay. Their intentions. Yeah. And what he a what, what, what? Wonka created his craziest creation. Like while during this whole tour, he's showing crazy shit.

Yeah. 

[01:03:52] Toliy: And the kids are all coming outta face. Yeah. One by one. And they're doing the whole dance. Like Oompa. Yeah. Yeah. What it is, is they're actually showing a lesson, 

Uhhuh, 

[01:04:00] Toliy: what's the lesson here? Yeah. And kids like, they have to be taken away from this tour because of like greed. 'cause of not listening to instructions.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because of this and because of that. Like he said, yo, don't eat this. 

Yeah. 

[01:04:13] Toliy: Right. It's a secret formula. Like, don't, don't eat this yet. It's not proven yet. 

Yeah. 

[01:04:18] Toliy: Someone goes and eats it. Mm-hmm. And they blow up into like a Yeah, like a blueberry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The girl from Austria. Yeah. And they need to take her away.

Yeah. And then the Oompa lupa sing the song about what happened here. Mm-hmm. Like what messed up here. 

Mm-hmm. 

[01:04:29] Toliy: So it's a lesson every time. Oh. Every time it happens. And then, and then he gives everybody his prize creation, which is called the Everlasting Gobstopper. 

Mm. 

[01:04:37] Toliy: Right. And, um, there, there's this, and then he also creates something that's like, it, it's like a piece of gum, but it's like a, um, it's like a, like a full course meal.

Mm-hmm. Like it starts with like soup and then an entree and then dessert. Mm-hmm. Like, and you, and you feel like you're eating it, but it's just a piece of gum. Yeah. But this everlasting gobstopper is like the secret thing. Right. And it's 

[01:05:01] Eldar: everlasting. 

[01:05:01] Toliy: Yes. Right. And SL Worth is trying to get it. One of the things it says is to go, it's like bring, bring it back for me.

Yeah. If you bring it back, I'm gonna get the recipe and that's it. We're gonna get, we're gonna win. Yeah. Right. So then towards the end, um, all the kids start, start getting like eliminated from doing bad shit. And there's only like two kids left or whatever. And then there's Charlie, who's a good kid.

Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:23] Toliy: And the, uh, tour ends and like, I haven't seen it in a while either. So, so, so it's a bit vague, but Wonka like, blows up. Like, he's like angry. He is like, you know, this, that, like, he comes outta face. Mm-hmm. Right. And he acts a very nasty way. And Charlie takes the gob, the gobstopper like, gives to him, and, and he goes back and he puts it on his desk.

Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:44] Toliy: And he starts walking away. 

Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:46] Toliy: He puts the gobstopper even though how, how badly Wonka acted. He puts it on his desk and he walks away. 

Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:52] Toliy: And then Wonka's like Charlie and, and like. The grandpa's like trying to console the kids. Like, yo, it's okay. Like Charlie. Mm-hmm. You didn't do anything wrong.

Yeah. You 

[01:06:00] Toliy: know? And, um, he's, he starts walking away and then Wonka starts getting crazy excited. 'cause what happened was that Wonka was recruiting these people. Yeah. Because he's getting old and he needs someone to run. The factory was give away was a good guy. Oh wow. If he wants to find somebody who has good character Wow.

And is a genuine good person. Wow. Yeah. And he put up all these tricks to get people to eliminate themselves. Yeah. By placing all these traps everywhere. Yeah. By them. Like they're, they're to, to, to, for, for them to take a little bit 

Yeah. 

[01:06:32] Toliy: But actually lose out on everything. And he gave, I'm Willy Wonka, bro.

He gave, yeah. Yeah. He gave him the Chocolate Factory. I'm Willy Wonka [01:06:40] Harris. And he, he was, he was like, yeah, are you the fucking back gremlin kid? The ending is so sick because he's so happy. He was like, yeah, I was looking for a high character. Like someone with integrity. Yeah. Someone that I can trust.

Yeah. Someone that I can give this all to. Yeah. And that's not gonna Yeah. Do bad things with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And this was his whole thing. 

[01:06:56] Mike: Ka said, nah, I shit is dead. He said, you watch a different movie. He watched a different movie. He head Ka said it, bullshit fucking man Fortune story. Why 

[01:07:03] Tolis: he was like innocent and all this stuff.

Who? 

[01:07:07] Toliy: Charlie? He was because he was Why? What, what do you mean why he was all this poor? My, because he was, he 

[01:07:16] Tolis: was born poor. 

[01:07:19] Toliy: Oh, sure. Like he was more grateful. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the kids were like rich, naughty kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. And these were the kids that he didn't want give it away to. So he set up traps knowing Yeah.

That these kids are gonna take all this bs. Yeah. For a little bit. Yeah. Everyth everything. Everything Everyth. 

[01:07:33] Tolis: Yeah. But he knew Wonka told him I had a feeling. That you, you were you gonna win. 

[01:07:39] Toliy: But, but Al also, the way he acted the whole time is that he was generally like listening of like Yeah. The rules.

He paid the, for the most part. No, he respected it one, one time. He messed up, I think. But, but, but he got out of it. He 

[01:07:50] Tolis: was poor. He was like humble, like, yeah. Yes. He was 

[01:07:53] Toliy: very humble. And because, no, I'm not really Wonka then if Willy Wonka just ban those bad kids. Yeah. No. You know what I mean? He, he didn't like ban them, but he was trying to figure out who to give his factory to.

Ah. And he wanted someone of high character, high integrity because also fine people were trying to like get like, treat the MPA Luas poorly or like deport them or like send them away. Yeah. Right. And he was like, I need someone that's gonna take care of them. I know that, that the factor's gonna be in good hands.

Yeah, that's good. Kindness and stuff there. Good character and all this stuff. Right. And when he saw Charlie go there, the main test was to give it back to him. Right. And he gave it back to him. Wow. You have to, you have to watch the movie. 

[01:08:30] Eldar: Wow. I will. It's, I mean, you sold it. Yeah. And I'm, I'm down to watch it too, because it's been lot.

So did you tie it to, did Mike, did he give you a good example? Yes. Harris, what do you think about that example? He, he wasn't, he wasn't 

listening. Yeah. 

[01:08:42] Harris: I, listen, I know 

[01:08:43] Eldar: how 

[01:08:44] Harris: the story 

[01:08:44] Eldar: went, huh? He just want some chocolate. I think I knew how the story went already. You knew? Yeah. 

[01:08:50] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:08:50] Eldar: You knew the, this was the reasoning and this was like the message, I knew where it was coming from with this.

Yes. 

[01:08:55] Toliy: Yeah. And, and this, this exact like, won Wonka thing, like over o over the last like, you know, like 15 plus years of me knowing Eldar and like just in general, like having relationship with, he mentioned with Yeah. I knew where he was not, there's been many times where, where like, um, where like, this has happened to me.

Exactly. Right, and I end up always getting like a hundred thousand times x more than, oh, I thought you were the fact kid 

[01:09:22] Mike: went for the bait every time. 

[01:09:23] Toliy: No, no. So may, may, may many times. Maybe sometimes for the most part. But when, when I felt that, like, like, I don't know, maybe I had an attachment for something and like I, I, I actually didn't sell, like I put it down or like I did the right, the right thing.

He's always giving me like a thousand x more than what I originally fuck that 

[01:09:41] Eldar: shit. 

[01:09:43] Mike: Right. Let's go to a casino. Let's hit him over the head. A bird is in the hand, is worth more. Two in the bush. What'd he say? See, I've heard of that before. You take the 200. Now forget about the 1000 x tomorrow, man. Why you, why?

What's what happened to man? You deflated man. No man. You the biggest kid in the room and you deflated. Yeah. Wow. He wants to go. 

[01:10:02] Harris: No 

[01:10:02] Mike: dude. The puppy dog. She's coming 

[01:10:03] Harris: into realization. On a Friday night the first time I'm gonna be staying home, bro. 

[01:10:09] Eldar: See, that's all that matters, right? Wait, that's like a check checkbox that you need to check as well.

What this thing we just said? No. Well, I told you you guys just take him. Kris's 

[01:10:17] Harris: out. Kris be's sick. No, but like you 

[01:10:19] Eldar: said, like, Hey, the first time ever, uh, on the Friday night, I'm gonna stay home. Like I, I checkbox Chris home 

[01:10:24] Harris: alone before. Yeah, that was when, you know, oh, I didn't have no fucking friends around, you know?

Yeah. Myself. 

[01:10:30] Eldar: Okay. Yeah. Well the thing is, Paris, this is not a forceful thing. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you are obviously welcome to come. Yeah. You know what I mean? We're just trying to figure out and 'cause came up with a crazy idea, which I, I, which I also find brilliant. Um, you know, but obviously it's a tough one.

You know, it's a tough choice to take, you know, in order to give your friends a blessing and say, you know what? I'm staying home because I'm a mush and this happened, whatever, whatever, uh, you guys do well. And then like, come back winning winners. You know what I mean? We're gonna kill it later on, you know, like.

But I know it's hard to do. 

[01:11:05] Mike: Yeah. You know, I think you should come and just hang out with the Chinese buffet. I'll listen. I said it many times. 

[01:11:10] Harris: I'm gonna say it again. Uh, hang out at a Chinese buffet. 

[01:11:14] Mike: We'll give you a budget to eat. No unlimited. No.

All right. Because what do you think, man? Anything else? He knows these kind of people. Because 

[01:11:32] Tolis: I was thinking kind of the same way. That's why I told that. Yeah. That's why, you know, 

[01:11:37] Eldar: you know how criminals move. Yeah. Mm-hmm. A criminal mind understands another criminal mind. 

[01:11:42] Tolis: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:11:47] Eldar: He is upset, isn't he? 

[01:11:48] Tolis: But you are my brother. I forgive you no matter what, man. 

[01:11:52] Harris: You got nothing to forgive, man. Nothing was done against you. It's not 

[01:11:56] Tolis: about me like, you know? Mm-hmm. It's about you right now. 

[01:12:00] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:12:03] Tolis: Yeah. 

[01:12:04] Eldar: So, all right, let's do final thoughts. Yeah, I think this was a very interesting one. Yeah.

Because I, anytime we have a life example, a live example, it's always like, hits hits the most. Yeah. You know, because you can see like what's actually transpired, what happened, why it happened, and what did we learn from it, you know? Yeah. And I think there's a lot of, a lot of knowledge to, to be gotten from this one, you know what I mean?

Um, did my final thoughts, did Harris learn, wait, why are we going in the final thoughts took that? Oh, because I thought we were in a rush to make a lot of money and then come back and, and uh, get the, get the lab dancers from the strippers. Um, but we don't have to. But what I was trying to say is that, uh, originally when Harris started surrendering the money and all this other stuff, like I was kind of on this side and like, like, alright, cool.

Like he's maybe understood something and stuff, but cause did make a good point that, you know, a lot of times you'll start taking that plea. Just because, you know, you felt the pain or whatever, you know, and not necessarily you'll learn. And um, so did you answer that question totally about, um mm-hmm. What, what will he need to do in order to show you that he's changed and that it might not happen again next time?

What did you say? Yeah. Like, it was the ego need ego and learn 

[01:13:22] Toliy: curiosity. Well, like you get met with like a, like, like to, to, to me here, he got met with a decision, 

right? Yeah. 

[01:13:32] Toliy: I either need to like, um, like one, he didn't like the scenario that he's gonna get put in where he is gonna potentially just be standing there feeling a particular way, not being able to play, not be able to have fun.

Mm-hmm. Not be able to enjoy himself. Everyone else is having fun. He can't, so he needed to do like, in that desperate form, he needed to do whatever it took. To get to a place where he can have, have his fun, have his selfish fun. 

Mm. 

[01:14:00] Toliy: Right. That's what he was after. 

Okay. 

[01:14:02] Toliy: And then, then comes out to like, what, what, whatever it takes.

Borrowing more money. 

Yeah. 

[01:14:08] Toliy: Cashing in the nano, 

yeah. 

[01:14:10] Toliy: Whatever it was. Right. You could have proposed, Hey, how about you work for two more extra hours for the next, like, you know, two weeks he was willing to work, he 

[01:14:21] Eldar: was willing to, uh, put his ass on a big blue ball and his underwear, his box. 

[01:14:25] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. He was willing to do nearly whatever to get the selfish fun.

Right. And that's the thing, instead of in, in that moment, there's a decision to be made, do I do that? Do I go down that road of having my selfish fun, or do I do the right thing? And if you do the right thing, right, which usually involves like asking a question or asking like, Hey, like I. Like, Hey, like you don't even have to understand the, the scenario fully.

You just need to know that you need to ask questions. And I think if you do that, you could then skip a lot of this, right? And, and actually put yourself in a position to learn, saying, Hey, here, here's how I'm really feeling out there. Right? And I think you did a good job today 

[01:15:09] Eldar: with you. At least you gave him clear hints, right?

Me and Mike, we confused him. Right? Or we disguised ourselves. Yeah. Right. As being on his side. But, um, at least reading you and, and calling it out for what it is. I think he did do a good job, right? He was curious like, yo, what the hell? Why, why? In his own kind of way, but nonetheless, he did it. Yeah. 

[01:15:28] Toliy: No, no.

What I'm saying is that like when you get put into positions where you need to make a decision, right? If you lean into saying like, Hey, I'm in a position where I like, I need to make a decision. Hey Elder, here's how I feel, right? I feel that if I go, like, I won't be able to have fun and I'm gonna be feeling a type of way, or like, this is what's going on in my head, right?

Can you help me with this scenario? Can you do that next time? Like if you go that route, we beat, we beat you to a pump. You don't even, you don't even need to have the solution as to what to do, but you need to be able to ask. So that yeah, you can employ people who are more competent to help you figure 

[01:16:07] Eldar: out what's going on.

And you know what? I think at the end of the day, I think you're right because that naturally puts you in a position for asking for a blessing, which humbles you for the moment. Yeah. And then another person wants to go up to bat for you. 

[01:16:19] Toliy: Yes. How do you feel when someone come, like asks you in that kinda way?

It's an automatic, like it's a Yeah. It's a very, it's like holy shit. Yeah. This person is actually putting himself in a position where he doesn't know what to do and he's putting himself in a vulnerable scenario. Yeah. Yeah. Where he's being honest. Yeah. How could you do wrong to 

[01:16:37] Eldar: this person? Tell him he just gave you a godly, um, I wouldn't call this a hack because that would be, uh, insulting, but he gave you a godly, um, behavior that you can implement in order to always get what you need and want.

Do you understand this? That you, if you really understand this, this is like winning the lotto. Playing billion. That's why soccer, mega billion, 

[01:17:02] Toliy: billion. If the people feel that I should die, I'll die. And he died.

[01:17:12] Harris: You don't even know. 

[01:17:13] Toliy: Right. I'm talking about that man. And many, many years later told us is still suffering because of the actions of his people. Good.

[01:17:27] Mike: So you like the punishment? 

[01:17:29] Harris: No, I don't like the fact that he tried to take out another philosopher. You people on our fucking roll, you people on the roll, people, man, you, you came are on a mission. 

[01:17:41] Tolis: What? 

[01:17:42] Harris: Yeah. That's deep. 

[01:17:44] Tolis: Well, you're like me.

[01:17:48] Harris: You were sick. You tried compromising everyone and you didn't, admitting you were sick and you're not, you're not taking responsibility. So, oh. Wow. That's the next week's topic. Holy shit. That's a good one. I like it. I'm tried taking everyone outta commission closing down the company. 

[01:18:04] Tolis: Yeah.

[01:18:08] Eldar: We'll, we'll have a conversation after. How about that? Alright. Paris, was this insightful? Mm, I think Harris is done. Yeah. The thing is like Is he, is he cornered? Is 

[01:18:23] Mike: he cornered? No. Right now I think he is. No, no. How 

[01:18:29] Eldar: so? It seems like he got beat 

[01:18:30] Mike: up. Yeah, but he's operating out of, he's, if he was actually learning something, he wouldn't be able to be beat up.

Really? Oh, you're right. You are right about that. But he's still in that funk. Funk. He needs to go to a casino. 

[01:18:47] Tolis: Yeah. Speak the truth, man. No, no. Speak the truth right now. Kiss my ass. I did it. Which I, yeah, yeah. 

[01:18:55] Toliy: Which, which I think is completely fine. 

[01:18:57] Tolis: Yeah. Just speak the truth, man. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's completely, I know what the truth.

Kiss my ass. I've been in the same position like you right now. Kiss my ass. I was saying this. Yeah. And I, I was just digging my own home. You wanna go back on a boat 

[01:19:10] Harris: tonight? Yeah, I'll send you right over there. I got a guy. All right. I can find a guy over there. I think he's giving you good feedback. I can get, I got, I can go to the port right now at Newark.

Give him a hundred dollars and I'll send you back on the boat right now. 

[01:19:22] Eldar: But that's the thing. It's, but it's knowingly, it's hard to Wrong container. 

[01:19:25] Harris: Knowingly. Yes. He, I'm get him, bro. Those people, they'll, they'll do that shit for money, bro. Yeah. Happens every day. Um, smuggle you back to Greece, man. All right.

[01:19:40] Eldar: I think he loves you, dude. 

[01:19:42] Toliy: Yeah. I think he loves you too. Harris. 

[01:19:45] Eldar: Get rid of this guy. He is in illegal oil, man. Nah, I think he's saying he's onto something, man. Yeah, he ain't onto nothing, man. 

Because he has, he's joining me and Mike. He's saying, come on man, just come along dude. Just let's you know, let's take care of that desire that you have.

He hasn't get 

it outta your system. He 

[01:20:02] Harris: doesn't have a right to say anything, man. He hasn't learned anything, 

[01:20:05] Eldar: man. 

[01:20:06] Toliy: He's enough to, he's learned enough to tell you and explain you that. He hasn't learned shit, bro. Well, how are you judging who hasn't learned and who hasn't learned? Tell me. 

[01:20:15] Harris: You can't even admit he was sick, bro.

That's true. What? That's, that is a good point. 

[01:20:20] Eldar: That is a 

[01:20:21] Harris: good point. 

[01:20:21] Eldar: Yeah. He's still living off the 

[01:20:22] Harris: fact that Greeks don't get sick. Otherwise, you know, this is, this is an argument that No, no, wait, but this is, is, you know what, 

[01:20:28] Eldar: what argument that they just had an argument about Uhhuh, but then it's always talked about how can you give me advice if you Shit still stinks.

Yes. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Because he's referencing his bad behavior, let's just say ordinary behavior, right. To make a point. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Which obviously is a valid point. And 

[01:20:46] Harris: I know you were sick because we were getting conflicting reports. I know what you are doing.

Why are you trying to change 

[01:20:54] Tolis: the topic right now? I'm not. 

[01:20:55] Harris: You're trying, why would I take advice from you when you're saying, oh yeah, I've been there, all that. When you still live in the same, uh, been there, 

[01:21:04] Toliy: but why would, why would you take advice from anybody? 

[01:21:08] Harris: Why would I take advice from a guy? 

[01:21:10] Eldar: Well, maybe they're different lessons and maybe different times in your life where he learned this lesson before and you're learning it now, but you learned the other lesson that he's needs to learn before him, right?

It's like an exchange of things. And that's what we, I always argued for that just because the person doesn't have, uh, a. Figure it out doesn't mean that he doesn't have B figure it out. You know what I mean? It's not like a linear progression on A, B, C, D, right? You might've went through lessons, you know, let's just say in relationships, right.

Faster than he did. You know, he went, you know, uh, through lessons of gambling or something like that, you know, vice. So I think that you can kind of learn from someone who, you know, who's been there before. Mm-hmm. Before you, something wrong with that. 

[01:21:58] Toliy: Yeah. There, there. I Well, it's cool. There's no one here first off, that has learned everything and that is perfect.

So like, if you have that same mindset, I don't think that you can learn from anyone here. 

[01:22:09] Harris: I never said perfect cousin's. Far from perfect. 

[01:22:14] Toliy: So is everyone else, 

[01:22:16] Harris: what, what does that have anything? There's people in a better boat. 

[01:22:21] Eldar: No, I think that you are not, you have to, uh. Harris, try your hardest. I think you have to give credit where the credit is due.

I think that internally he kind of knows how you feel. Obviously you are like, I know, and I should be leading through my reason or whatever it is that you're feeling through guilt, that I shouldn't be going and the right thing to do is to stay home, but deep inside or deeper, like, fuck I want to go.

Mm-hmm. And he understands that he can relate to that. And that's why he's saying, Hey, be honest. You know what I mean? And I think that if you make that plea, I think that is killing the mush. I think that is, we all know 

I, deep down I wanna go. How bad 

[01:23:01] Harris: you mean I'm not gonna do anything crazy. 

[01:23:03] Eldar: Well, I know you're not, but you know, I don't know.

I, I, listen, I, I'm leaning towards We should all go. We should all have fun. Yes. Right. Be honest. Be honest with it. Now that we, we have this in our back pocket, that we actually know what the fuck is happening and we're aware of it. [01:23:20] And I think with that, we can actually have fun and get whatever it is that we all looking for out of it, you know?

Mm-hmm. 

[01:23:29] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:23:30] Mike: As as, I think it's important for Harris to say how it feels. Yeah. And then we can go, 

[01:23:36] Harris: what do you mean? You want me to admit I feel guilt? No, and I'm leaning towards go staying home. 

[01:23:41] Mike: Uhhuh. 

[01:23:42] Harris: But, but deep down, I do wanna go. Yeah. Yeah. I think we all all know that here. 

[01:23:46] Mike: Yeah. Yeah. But you gotta say it so it's out in the open so you can become, I already said it.

So how do you actually feel? 

[01:23:53] Harris: Yeah. I'm feeling guilt. I'm leaning towards staying home. Is it kicking me in the ass? Is it squeezing my balls? Absolutely. 

[01:24:00] Mike: Okay. But not as much as the other one is tickling your balls.

[01:24:06] Harris: Like, I always, I, I'm prepared to walk out of the podcast, get in my car and go 

[01:24:12] Eldar: Totally. Hmm. Did we get the mood back? 

[01:24:16] Toliy: I 

[01:24:16] Eldar: think we did. I think we did. Yeah. Like 

[01:24:18] Harris: literally, I was 

[01:24:18] Eldar: gonna walk outta this fucking Harris office and Harris. Harris, I think we got it. I think we got the mojo back. 

Disagree. Where I, I listen.

I think you, uh, just ask the man. I think we got the mojo back. 

[01:24:30] Harris: Like I was, I'm prepared to walk out and go in the car. 

[01:24:33] Eldar: Listen, you 

[01:24:34] Harris: don't have to keep saying the 

[01:24:34] Eldar: same stuff. I'm onto something else now. Yeah. Are you excited 

or No? I don't know what to be excited for. I'm still on. Whether not you guys 

to kill night or what,

[01:24:51] Harris: can you at least submit something deep down? 

[01:24:54] Eldar: No. 

[01:24:54] Harris: Yeah. 

[01:24:54] Eldar: Yes. Can he at least sit down today for 200 bucks at least? No, 

[01:24:57] Harris: I'm, I'm saying can he? I dug deep just now. 

[01:25:00] Eldar: Now you gotta get on his ass. Yeah. 

[01:25:02] Harris: All right. Let's talk about all, alright. Were you sick? Yeah. 

[01:25:08] Tolis: With that? 

[01:25:09] Harris: Yeah. 

[01:25:09] Tolis: I was sick, man. 

[01:25:10] Harris: Why are you denying it?

That's in, in Greece. Is it a sign of weakness of being sick? Yeah. Who 

[01:25:15] Tolis: I am. Man, I'm just messing around with people. I'm just saying this stuff. This is me. 

[01:25:21] Harris: Well, when people kept saying maybe he's a bigger toll. Well, I've been hearing, so I'm not gonna name names. Yeah. But when people brought up you being sick, I understand you got a little agitated at home about, uh, Maggie, because 

[01:25:32] Eldar: No.

[01:25:33] Harris: Yeah. Excuse me. Can I just like, you got agitated. I was, and I will, I will say that because, uh, even when I brought it up about that you were sick, you got very, very, he got very aggressive. Hmm. I'm not sick. Why you keep saying this? 

[01:25:50] Tolis: Alright. All right. It's two things. All right. All right. Well, one thing I, I don't wanna blame, but I remember, uh, but I don't wanna blame, I don't want point fingers, all right?

Mm-hmm. But when I was young, every time I was saying like, I feel sick. Oh, my moms told me, go to your dad. Why, if you see, go to your dad why she was saying like that every time. Really? I don't wanna blame her. 

[01:26:19] Harris: Yeah, 

[01:26:20] Tolis: right. But it was 

[01:26:21] Eldar: a bad thing. 

[01:26:22] Tolis: Yeah. She, she always saying that. 

[01:26:24] Eldar: But do you think El 

[01:26:25] Harris: d would've said, because 

[01:26:26] Eldar: from what I understand, no, 

no, no, no, no.

But wait, this is a good point. I think that's PTSD dude. Yeah, 

[01:26:30] Tolis: no. You know, but trauma. Yeah. Like, and after like some hours she was coming like with the chicken, so potato. Yeah. Yeah. She was Okay. Okay. But every time she, if you're sick, go to your dad. Wow. But she was saying like that. Yeah. But I'm not blaming her for that.

Like, the second thing is like, I feel like, uh, if you're sick, if you stop thinking like you are sick. Mm-hmm. Like, it's about like mind, you know? Okay. If you have like a mind power. Mind power, okay. You can like. Change it. Change it. Yeah. Don't be sick. Like, you know. Yeah. So I was, I'm doing this all my life, you know?

Mm-hmm. I'm saying I'm not sick. 

Yeah. 

[01:27:10] Tolis: So my mind can do my body and not be sick, you know? So, so these two things. 

[01:27:16] Toliy: Yeah. All right. Okay. 

[01:27:17] Tolis: That's fair. So that's me. 

[01:27:20] Toliy: And, and what's called, you know, what's funny? 

Hmm. 

[01:27:23] Toliy: Not, not that my story is in the same way, but I had something similar in my life. Um, but, but like, a little bit on the reverse way.

I'd always, my whole life, my mom always does this thing where like, like when I was sick, when I was young, and then when I saw my sister getting sick when she was young 

mm-hmm. 

[01:27:42] Toliy: She would always be like, with them, and I'm like, mom, like, don't go in her room. Like, don't go in her room. Mm-hmm. Like, I, I would always say this.

Mm-hmm. 

[01:27:49] Toliy: Like, don't go in the room, like, she's sick. Okay. Like, like let her be sick. Mm-hmm. But like, you don't go get sick. Mm-hmm. She'll go like, lay in the bed with the kid. Like, yeah. She'll like, mm. You know, do like what a mom wants to do, like, you know Yeah. Help you be with you. Of course. Like, you know, like Right.

And I would always yell at her for that. 

Hmm. 

[01:28:08] Toliy: Right. And the last time, like that, I, I was really hard body on doing that. Right. My sister had pneumonia. I was like, yo, stay the fuck away from her. 

[01:28:19] Eldar: Yeah. Like, 

[01:28:20] Toliy: you don't wanna be getting that shit. 

[01:28:21] Eldar: Yeah. Right. Okay. He doesn't know what, why, what? He doesn't know.

Why quickly. Tell him why what? That you don't want your mom getting pneumonia because of the history? 

[01:28:29] Toliy: Well, no, no, no. In general, I didn't want her to get like a, like a pneumonia. Like, I didn't want her to get sick as well. Yeah. How bad it was though. So I didn't want her to, well, well, no, this was before this.

Oh, this was before that. Okay. Yeah. I didn't want her to get like that sickness. And my sister had like, pneumonias on either one side or, or you could get it on both sides. 

Mm-hmm. 

[01:28:48] Toliy: Because it's like an infection in the lungs. 

Yeah. 

[01:28:51] Toliy: Right. And you have like a left side of your lungs and the right side of your lungs.

My sister had it in one side. Mm-hmm. So it wasn't as bad. Because you have basically one side clean imagine. 

Mm-hmm. 

[01:29:00] Toliy: And the other side has all like yellow phlegm in it, for example. Right? Yeah. So then my mom was with her, and then she got the pneumonia and she got it worse. Wow. She got it on both sides, and she got it so bad that they, um, they told her to go to the hospital.

Mm-hmm. 

[01:29:17] Toliy: Because if we give you antibiotics, right? 

Mm-hmm. 

[01:29:20] Toliy: It's gonna take, um, too long to kick in to take pills. So if you go to the hospital 

mm-hmm. 

[01:29:27] Toliy: They can inject you with those and it hits the bloodstream instantly. 

Okay. 

[01:29:31] Toliy: Right? 

Yeah. 

[01:29:32] Toliy: Right. It's like, I mean, if you take an Advil, for example, it takes an hour to kick in.

Mm-hmm. If 

[01:29:36] Toliy: you're in the hospital, they're gonna give you the pain relief. Like this, it's gonna be because it hits your bloodstream versus going through like you have to eat it. Right. So it has to go through like the whole uh, thing. Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah. So my mom went to the hospital, and then while the hospital she was, she was not feeling good, you know, and her, um, her, uh, heart, heart rate was very high.

It was like 180 or like 200 while laying in bed and sleeping, you know? 

Mm-hmm. 

[01:30:02] Toliy: And they couldn't figure out why. And then they started to do testing on, on her right. And they realized she had a tumor on her heart, you know, and my mom had to get right away, like same day emergency surgery, that was like a six hour, um, surgery.

They had to like, they had to break her ribs, crack her open to get the surgery. 

[01:30:27] Tolis: Alright, I get it. Like your point that that's why like, you are afraid to be in the sick people. Well, well, no, 

[01:30:33] Toliy: no, no. In my case, I was always telling mom not to do this. But what happened was my mom, my mom ended up getting really sick.

And that's what saved her life.

[01:30:46] Harris: That's what saved your life. But you should also take this as, you know, distance yourself, man. You put another people at risk? 

[01:30:56] Mike: No, I wasn't trying to say that. I know. No, 

[01:30:58] Harris: don't take it as like, I just get this guy sick because he might have something in inside mind. No, no. I was just trying to 

[01:31:03] Toliy: say that it was funny where I felt that one way about it.

Yeah. But it ended up being that like I was going against what would've been a good thing, technically the best for her. How, how would ended up playing. Yeah. Playing out. That is 

[01:31:14] Harris: a good thing. That doesn't mean, okay, let me be around this guy. Yeah. He might know. Let me, it's gonna be a good thing he gets it.

You understand? All right. Yeah. You might have PTSD from that, but there's one thing I'm gonna say. 

[01:31:27] Tolis: No, I'm most like, um, the mind, like, I'm thinking like, if my mind, my mind is powerful mm-hmm. I can like, get rid of sickness. 

[01:31:36] Harris: Okay. Okay. But let, let's be real. That's not the case. 

[01:31:41] Toliy: And 

[01:31:41] Harris: No, 

[01:31:41] Toliy: I do think that that, that it definitely like, uh, contributes, it helps, it helps it have a positive attitude.

But you also 

[01:31:47] Harris: have to be, this is what EL used to say. You know, let, let, let's put it this way. How would you feel if you got everyone at the office in here sick? 

[01:31:56] Eldar: Yeah. Well, what, what? What I'm what? My point is that listen, if you call things for what they are, I think this is the best way, right? A route.

Because we know, especially because sickness does spread, especially from germs or whatever, viruses or whatever. So if you call for what it is, right? You, you can say, Hey, I am sick and I'll take my precautions. I'll stay home. And then you can deal with your positive and strong attitude, your mental attitude at home by yourself.

Like, but if you, but if you say, no, I'm not sick, but you actually are sick and you coming in, that's fucked up. Yeah. It was fucked up. You know what I'm saying? It's fucked up. 

[01:32:28] Harris: Like cousin, I wasn't trying to be a dick to you. No, but everyone here can vouch that I get sick very, very fucking easily. 

[01:32:35] Toliy: No, but it's not even about that.

Like fir, first off, you were the person prior to us telling you about this. Yes. You were the same person. That you were the same person. And most people are. 

[01:32:43] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Most people will go through this process, but go to work, not care. Sniffle all day at work. Right. Get everybody sick and not care about it.

Yeah. We just happen to be a little bit like, look, let's just be a little bit more mindful. You know what I mean? Like Yeah. If I have fucking diarrhea, I'm shitting my pants, you know, every day coming in, it's like it's, first of all, I can't, second of all, if I come in too early, I wouldn't want that upon you guys.

Like, it's a fucking, it's a very contagious disease. 

[01:33:12] Harris: I'm glad you admitted that you were sick. 

[01:33:15] Eldar: Okay. 

[01:33:15] Harris: You's grown ass man. Now you don't gotta go to your daddy anymore. Yeah. Okay. 

[01:33:21] Tolis: Yeah. 

[01:33:22] Harris: And you gotta take care of your health 

[01:33:24] Tolis: and historical, I'm not getting sick. Easy. Alright. So I, I was in Monday morning, I was thinking like, okay, just my throat a little bit.

Okay. I'm, I'm fine, I'm not sick. Like, 

[01:33:37] Eldar: so did you learn a good lesson here? 

[01:33:39] Tolis: Right. And when I was working all my life 

[01:33:44] Eldar: mm-hmm. 

[01:33:45] Tolis: If I was sick, I had no option. Like to stay home. 

[01:33:49] Harris: Yeah. He sounded like me when I was working at the airport. I worked through being sick. 

[01:33:53] Tolis: You know, they, they don't have like another me to, to take my place.

[01:33:58] Harris: Yeah. 

[01:33:58] Tolis: Because even if I'm sick, I have to go to work. Yeah. So this was not an option to me to stay home here. Yeah. So 

[01:34:05] Eldar: you've been sick before and this happened, right? Because you, you said to me, you never get sick in Greece. 

[01:34:10] Harris: Oh shit. Oh, thank you. So cousin. I used to be like you okay? And I told Eldar and all this.

I used to be like you, I used to work my ass off. I got sick, uh, so badly. One time I went to work, my boss was, suck your dick. No, fuck you man. Oh, what the fuck? My boss looked at me, he goes, you look like fucking deaf, 

[01:34:31] Eldar: so let me suck that death outta you. No man. 

[01:34:33] Harris: And I was like, no, no, you know, I'm fine. The poison, get the poison out.

I was telling my boss, I, no, no, I'm fine. I'm good to work. You know what I'm saying? And he, he eventually said he. Enough is enough. Like fucking 30 minutes later, drop your pants. No, man. He called 9 1 1. He called fucking 9 1 1. Uhhuh. 

Yeah. 

[01:34:51] Harris: He called the fucking ambulance. Yeah, he, they took me to the hospital.

The doctor said to me, they said, it's a good thing you fucking came in. You know why I had a severe upper respiratory infection? There you go. And they said, I don't, 

[01:35:03] Tolis: huh? I don't have this. No, I know what shame, bro. I used to work 

[01:35:05] Harris: my ass off. Like you, I used to say, no, I'm fine. I can, I can do the job and all this.

And it's a good thing. My boss did call 9 1 1. 'cause they said if I didn't get the antibiotics, I would've fucking died. Fuck. My boss called 9 1 1. He saved my life. 

[01:35:19] Toliy: He said he had to suck the demon outta you. He said, suck 

[01:35:22] Eldar: a demon outta 

[01:35:22] Harris: you. I was out for two weeks. Yeah. But guess what? Going through my mind was my boss was right.

Alright, 

[01:35:27] Eldar: lemme get some final thoughts here, guys. Yeah. Because gimme some final thoughts on this topic. 

[01:35:36] Tolis: I don't, I didn't get the topic. What, what was the topic like? Oh my god, in general, A good question. 

[01:35:41] Eldar: Uh, Mike, can you help us out with your final thoughts on the topic? My final thoughts? Yeah, let's go around the room first.

[01:35:46] Mike: Uh, yeah, sure. Um, there's no, like, I don't really have any final thoughts, but I, it's like a very interesting, but not surprising. The, the criminal mind is a, is a criminal mind and I think, um, you're always willing to say and think of anything to like, you know, to get ultimately what your end goal is, you know?

Yeah, yeah. And, and, uh, Harris's case, uh, he doesn't wanna spend the night alone, so he wants to go to the casino. Yeah. So he is not lonely. Yeah. 

[01:36:22] Harris: Fuck you man. You make me sound like a pathetic motherfucker.

[01:36:27] Eldar: Yeah, 

[01:36:28] Toliy: sometimes we're all 

[01:36:29] Eldar: pathetic motherfuckers. No, but that's the thing, Harris, I think that, yeah, Mike finish it, but then I can address with Harris idea. 

[01:36:35] Mike: Yeah. So I think, uh, well I got thrown off, but, sorry. That's Harris did it. Sorry. Apologize. 

[01:36:42] Harris: Sorry dad. 

[01:36:43] Mike: No problem. Yeah. Um, but this is part of the process, so, um, like you said, you don't know any other way.

You haven't found a better way. I mean Yeah, you gotta give people what they want. Yeah. Because ultimately they want it gift and seems to be the case that this is the best way that people Yeah. Learn. So that's all I got. Totally. 

[01:37:13] Toliy: Um, yeah, I think it's what, what ELD said earlier on today, sometimes when you win, you actually lose.

Sometimes when you lose. You actually win. Sometimes when you win or lose, you actually tie, and sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. 

[01:37:36] Harris: You lost me dude. I, 

[01:37:38] Eldar: yeah, just the first two parts. Yeah. You are fine with Okay. Tie you win or don't worry about that. Yeah, don't worry about that. 

[01:37:45] Toliy: Yeah. I think that like, um, in general when people have these, um, quests to sell, sell out, or to kind of get like a, um, selfish win if it feels like selfish may maybe, or, or if, or if it feels like it's only for you and not for like, for there's, um, um, I think it's guaranteed to take you down like the, the way of the devil.

[01:38:13] Eldar: Oh my 

[01:38:13] Toliy: god. You know, and I think that when you share happiness with others, I think you're always gonna go into like a, uh, the form of light. I. Wow, maybe. And you're going to do and act with God. 

[01:38:26] Eldar: Wow. He brought religion into this man. That's fucked up. Wow. You know what? I'm gonna roll off of that. This is very good.

'cause I already had something in the barrel and then he solidified what I was gonna say. The truth of the matter is Harris, I think in a group dynamic, it is extremely difficult. Extremely difficult to synchronize towards the same goal, towards the same path, towards the same vision. You understand Harris?

Yeah. And I think it's extremely difficult. You know, when you do, I think everyone enjoys their time and everybody wins despite the fact that sometimes materialistically we might lose, but collectively we might win. And that's a paradox I think, of life, you know? So with that being said, I mean, I. I think you should figure out, and I think that's what you're striving for, to figure this dynamic out on what's actually going on, like you said in Aruba, right?

You didn't know the dynamic. You said, Hey guys, I never went out on a trip with, with, with, with a group of friends. Right? I don't know what to do. I don't know how I need a little bit of guidance. You know? And I think same thing, co, same thing as here. You know, we operate in a very specific way and I think that it's taking you some time, rightfully so, like anybody else would, right?

To get to know us, how we operate or what we're about. So we can synchronize, or you can synchronize in this picture in such a way where we are all compatible and we are all on the same page. [01:40:00] Because as totally says collectively, if we have the ability to harness that happiness together, I mean, I think then we will be unstoppable then.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But if you're gonna do the whole little selfish ploy. I think you'll be alone even if you have a lot of money. Yeah. Even if you win, winning a lot of money. 

[01:40:24] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:40:25] Eldar: You know, and I think that's what, you know what me and cousin discussed in the morning when he watched an interview about a Greek guy that went to America, made a lot of money, became a millionaire, came and then ends up going back to Greece, moving back and saying that, you know what, like telling people why he moved back.

He said, you can become a billionaire in America, you know, but you just, you're not gonna be happy. You know? So he moved back where he is from, you know, and he trying to understand like why. 

Yeah. 

[01:40:54] Eldar: You know, and I think there's a very specific reason as to why none of it matters, right? That if you have $2 million, $5 million, $10 million under your pillow, if you don't have anyone with you.

Yeah. Yeah. 

[01:41:11] Eldar: You know, what does it matter? You know? So, so let's go together. Let's go kill it. Let's go have fun. Whatever happens, happens. Mm-hmm. 

[01:41:24] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think that like the human race, like when they track back to like all those like, uh, tour guts and like mm-hmm. Like, you know, like what, what we were called like nomads and all those people, like before like the human race was formed.

Mm-hmm. There, there was like a bunch of those, what, what are they called? The Neanderthals? Yeah. Like there was a bunch of different types of Neanderthals, right? 

Yeah. Yeah. 

[01:41:46] Toliy: Right. And sometimes we, we, we refer to cer certain ways that we sometimes act a as those ways. Right. 

Yeah. 

[01:41:52] Toliy: Very primitive types of ways.

Right? Yeah. And they said that they're like the type of Neal that hu humans like descend from. Mm-hmm. And that, that like survived everything like, um. I dunno if it's true, but, um, but, but my mom told me this. Mm-hmm. She, she said that like the, the, the biggest separating factor between our kind and like all the other kinds 

mm-hmm.

[01:42:12] Toliy: Was that one we were social creatures. 

Yeah. 

[01:42:15] Toliy: And two, we had an imagination. 

Hmm. 

[01:42:18] Toliy: Right. Okay. And the others didn't. 

Hmm. 

[01:42:20] Toliy: And I think that like, maybe that imagination is that ability to like seek truth or the ability to like mm-hmm. Seek something beyond where we're currently at right now, you know? 

Yeah. And 

[01:42:31] Toliy: if we do that with others, well we, if we put, bring our social aspect to it.

Yeah. I 

[01:42:36] Toliy: think you, you combine those two things, I think you're guaranteed to be in a good place, you know? 

Yeah, I agree. 

[01:42:45] Eldar: Because your final thoughts now that we went around the room and said absolutely nothing, and if you're still confused on the topic. 

[01:42:56] Tolis: No. I'm not, 

[01:42:58] Eldar: no. Final thoughts? No, please. Final 

[01:43:00] Tolis: thoughts.

Like if you want to understand a criminal mm-hmm. You have to be that criminal before. 

Yeah. 

[01:43:09] Tolis: Or try to find a way to think like a criminal, you know? 

[01:43:12] Eldar: Ah, okay. That's it. 

[01:43:14] Tolis: That's it. 

[01:43:16] Eldar: I agree. That's true. That helps. That definitely helps. Yeah. I'm glad you helped us today to find this criminal and take us with, take him with us.

Look at him. He's just a little boy. Thank you guys. Huh? Alright. He's just a little boy cause 

[01:43:35] Tolis: Yeah. Yeah. Just a little boy. He's just a little boy. Thank 

[01:43:38] Eldar: you guys.