158. Faith, Truth, and Validation

How does self validation tie into faith?

In this thought-provoking episode, the group explores the reasons behind the credibility of the Bible and delves into the concept of truth through various lenses including religion, philosophy, and personal experiences. Josh shares why he finds the Bible accurate and reliable, pointing to its historical consistency and moral teachings. Eldar introduces Socrates' view on truth and challenges Josh's perspective, sparking a passionate discussion about the nature of truth, the role of fear in religion, and the significance of internal vs. external validation. The conversation highlights the complexities of human beliefs, the challenge of effectively communicating the essence of truth, and the importance of genuine love and service in leadership and mentorship. Guest testimonies and personal stories add depth to the discussion, making it an episode rich with introspection and philosophical inquiry.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction: The Credibility of the Bible
• 0:13 The Role of Linguistics in Understanding the Bible
• 4:02 The Concept of Validation
• 9:41 The Impact of Childhood and Parenting
• 29:18 The Struggle for Self-Accountability
• 37:20 The Quest for Knowledge and Preparation
• 46:29 Problem-Solving and Friendship
• 50:13 Appearance and Credibility
• 52:33 Work Ethic and Superpowers
• 55:19 Illusions of Happiness
• 58:21 Vegas and Miami Stories
• 1:08:20 Validation and Self-Worth
• 1:19:05 Basketball and Life Lessons
• 1:24:07 Offense vs. Defense in Sports
• 1:26:13 The Pursuit of Validation
• 1:29:22 Natural Talent vs. Practice
• 1:34:10 The Role of Pain in Success
• 1:39:56 Philosophical Debates on Truth and Love
• 1:42:11 The Influence of Prophets and Philosophers
• 1:48:42 The Nature of Truth and Time
• 2:03:08 Debating Perceptions of Jesus
• 2:05:15 Force vs. Love in Religious Contexts
• 2:10:08 Historical Reliability of the Bible
• 2:18:09 Truth and Perception
• 2:31:39 Marketing and Interpretation of Religious Texts
• 2:41:05 The Resurrection Debate
• 2:44:42 The Concept of Love in Philosophy
• 2:49:17 The Salesman Analogy
• 2:53:55 Fear vs. Love in Religious Belief
• 2:57:38 Human Nature and Truth
• 3:01:49 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections

Transcript

[00:00:00] Josh: On this week's episode, the reason why the Bible is credible to me is because everything that's presented in there keeps time and time again, providing accuracy without fail. 

[00:00:11] Eldar: How do you know that? My argument is with the linguistics of the Bible, right? What I think that as the individual, 

[00:00:18] Josh: you should invest in polishing up your linguistics because the Bible is wrong.

[00:00:25] Josh: If there was a time where you wasn't supposed to die and you were given a choice to live or you were given the choice to die. 

[00:00:33] Eldar: I'm looking forward to doing a podcast with that man that didn't die, Josh. Can you bring him in please?

[00:00:42] Josh: I want to do something that could impact the person. and help them develop who they are and not necessarily to the best of their ability per se, but get them to realize who they are in some sense, like at least identify pick something. Okay. I identify as this. And again, being, you know, The, the, the Christ following man that I'm trying to be, I try to point people into what God says who they are, right?

[00:01:19] Josh: They were made in his image, and so, there's a There's a fundamental idea that you're not worthless, or if they're practicing laziness, you're not lazy. You have some, something in you that can forge you toward this better being, this better you. And so, what I do is, I literally Help them see that, right? The allegory of the cape kind of concept.

[00:01:54] Josh: Um, that's what I do now as a employment coordinator. And you want me to share the, the, 

[00:02:00] Eldar: no. Okay. This is perfect. This is a perfect segue to what we're trying to talk about. So yeah, this is what we do. Right, Josh? Like. I just kind of just kind of introduced what he does and why he does it we've been kind of bonded by Understanding of maybe the world or reality in such a way where sure he's religious and maybe he sees it through the words of God Or Christ, right?

[00:02:22] Eldar: I'm not so religious But I think that a lot of things that we talk about a lot of times intertwines a lot of values and beliefs and stuff Like that right where as you can see that what he's trying to say Because, right, he, he said to what I was telling you that he knows and I know, right, because God made us in his image, right, you have that in you, right?

[00:02:41] Eldar: So his job right now is just to point that, that the fact that you are actually strong and you are empowered and you have those, those qualities in you, you just haven't been. Practicing them. Practicing them, yeah. Or tapping into it. You know, but you have that power. And that's what he does. A 

[00:02:56] Tolis: special treat for us.

[00:02:58] Eldar: Yeah. You're not 

[00:02:59] Tolis: like a motivational speaker or something, right? 

[00:03:01] Josh: You could say that, too. Yeah, well, I, I, I got degrees and certification, but I think that's like, it's just, it's, it's, it's just like icing on the cake, right? So before, let's say before all this new wave and American stuff, that's what people did.

[00:03:18] Josh: They 

[00:03:18] Josh: sat around the campfire. And they, by their life experience, shared that to help motivate others or inspire others. They told stories. And so I, I'm trying to see if we could do that. Perfect. 

[00:03:31] Tolis: Because I'm listening a lot of motivational speakers, but it doesn't work for me. 

[00:03:36] Eldar: All right, everybody 

[00:03:37] Tolis: says, with 

[00:03:38] Eldar: that being said, you see my cousins here in Greece, um, is having maybe, uh, as you, for the lack of a better word, um, an identity crisis or a life crisis or whatever crisis, right?

[00:03:50] Eldar: Where he's like, Hey, who am I? Why am I, I'm feeling certain things and not feeling so good. And I'd like to, you know, find out, I guess, you know, that's why he's here. And he's asking a lot of questions. And one question that he asked today, which was very interesting. And I think we talk about it a lot is, uh, validation.

[00:04:07] Eldar: Okay. Um, and specifically validation from the external world or from other people. Uh, maybe if he's not shy enough, maybe you can expand on it a little bit as to why he thinks like, why was he asking these questions? Why do. Uh, why does he think this is important and is it real? Should we, you know, seek validation from people or from the external world?

[00:04:29] Eldar: And why do we do it in the first place? Did I say it right, Kaz? 

[00:04:33] Tolis: Yes. 

[00:04:34] Eldar: Yes. 

[00:04:34] Tolis: Keep going, Link. All right. Keep going. I already told you everything. 

[00:04:37] Eldar: Yes. Yeah. So, um, because I guess a lot of the times the world almost has set up in such a way where markets validation that we supposed to get approval from the world, from social media, from others.

[00:04:50] Eldar: Right. Um, I don't know, called clout. Right, or whatever it is that you're chasing. It's kind of ingrained in 

[00:04:55] Josh: you. Yeah. I was telling Mike earlier, like, the school system is teaching that too. In some sense, right? With grades. If you don't get a passing grade, a hundred, they won't give you the smiley face or the sticker.

[00:05:07] Josh: Yeah, yeah. So. 

[00:05:09] Eldar: Mm hmm. So, the topic is validation. Uh, a lot of times we want to kind of, um, be praised by others. Right? Be, um, certified by others saying, yeah, he's a good guy. You know, he's got these accomplishments, he's successful, whatever it is. Why don't we do it? Why is it so important? And why can't we go to what Josh is saying, right?

[00:05:30] Eldar: To be as close as possible to the word of God, let's just say, right? Or as close as possible to the word of truth, right? Where you're no longer looking for the external validation, but you're looking for, I mean, you're getting the peace from seeing what's inside of you. Right, you don't need to go externally, you know, you know, you have a connection with God or you have a connection with truth Right, and that's enough.

[00:05:56] Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's done because uh, we're not sure 

[00:06:00] Eldar: we're not sure about what 

[00:06:01] Speaker 6: we're not sure about everything 

[00:06:03] Eldar: Anything you mean? 

[00:06:03] Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, we're not sure about anything. So How can you fuel yourself internally or like how can what you feel about yourself be enough if you're not sure and if you're not?

[00:06:14] Speaker 6: sure You're going to go find other people who you think potentially are sure, or other people who are started agreeing with like a particular fad or a particular way of life, who sound like they're sure, right? So then you get that sureness, and now it's like, oh, okay, like this guy saying like, hey, like it's all about money.

[00:06:32] Speaker 6: You got to make as much money as possible. This is what's being like said, okay. Like, you know, they sound pretty sure he sounds pretty high. I mean, we were talking about the smiling faces, right? And like, uh, like, um, like people who smile, people who you see are happy on TV, online, whatever. They seem pretty sure.

[00:06:49] Speaker 6: Right? So, um, like until you are sure, like about like, um, what, what's important and what will make you happy and make you feel particular ways. You're going to continue to seek validation from like the outside world and, um, make sure that they're okay with what you're doing. And if they give you the stamp of approval.

[00:07:10] Speaker 6: Then I think you'll think that you're happy that 

[00:07:13] Josh: you mean the person that you were quote idolizing if they give you the stamp Yeah, 

[00:07:17] Speaker 6: or if like some some sometimes it's not even that sometimes if you just get like general pop to just tell you like hey Like oh like yeah, like he looks good. 100 million people say it, right?

[00:07:28] Speaker 6: Then that's enough. There's like a power in the masses even if they're wrong. Yeah But if, if everybody sounds right, then that's enough for, for you. Which is a 

[00:07:38] Eldar: crazy phenomenon. That is, that is epic. That's epic. How did we get, how did we get here? How did my cousin, you know, now needs validation from the whole world in order to say he's okay, or he's, he's, he looks good, or he feels good.

[00:07:52] Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, How did he get here? Yeah, I mean, I feel like, um, when you grow up, like, off, like, the get go, right, like, You're not taught like necessarily about like, you know, good values or morals or good characteristics or like you're not basically taught about like philosophy, right? You're right away thrown into like, you know, history and math and choosing Spanish or French and like different things like that, right?

[00:08:17] Speaker 6: Um, so like you never had that base of understanding about like what's important, what's not important. Like, what to actually do. Why not? Why are they not teaching us this shit? 

[00:08:29] Josh: So, and here's, here's, here's a take on what Tully just said. Those things are important, right? History, language, because all of those things are tools to getting us to truth.

[00:08:43] Josh: We wouldn't be here on this thing talking literally because of communication. Our communication is a way of, is a way in which we seek truth. History is a way where we can observe truth. And I guess from, from that lens, if we use those tools properly, finding or exploring self can actually lead you to, Hey, why do I think that?

[00:09:14] Josh: But I think it's going to be a more internal question, right? Not, Hey, what, what led, what led big cuts to say. I don't feel like I'm it. He's been lied to because he wasn't taught truth, right, totally. So you said, um, why aren't they teaching you horror? Sometimes you're taught it, but it's overlooked because history is more important, math is more important.

[00:09:41] Joe: That also plays a part, but when you guys are talking about being a kid, and this is when it all begins, I think, uh, you grew up in like a broken household, right? Like your parents were split? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, ultimately. These cases always stem from some type of like childhood trauma or, or difficulties, or, you know, you didn't grow up with the basic fundamentals of, uh, and, and securities of all the things that, let's say, you know, the kids with a good, strong household, father, mother, siblings, you know, you kind of always struggling, you will never be, uh, You know, um, caress with these things early on because you're, you know, your struggle is getting by everything else that you're lacking to even get to that point.

[00:10:31] Joe: So like you're already on a long delay or developmental issues growing and affects, it affects you moving forward. You know, you're kind of always behind the eight ball. And I think, I mean. Um, it starts from, it starts from the, the child, you know, being a child and what your parents put in. And if you, uh, were affected at such a young age, you know, there's, it's no, it's no doubt in why I see, uh, you coming here at this stage of your life, still searching for certain things because 

[00:11:04] Eldar: You 

[00:11:04] Joe: were affected.

[00:11:05] Eldar: Can we, uh, can we quantify this type of stuff? Like if your mom and dad weren't, um, available, or would give you the same type of love and support? Can we quantify to say that you probably, like, delayed by ten years? Or can you, like, throw a number out? You know, like, 

[00:11:19] Josh: there's numbers out there. They said, um, I don't know if anybody has been seeing it recently, or at least read it, right?

[00:11:24] Josh: The study that showed that people grow up, they're mom and dad, or just dad, statistically. They're set at a higher success rate position in life for success. Right? Yeah. And if you're just raised by just mom, statistically speaking, say quantifying it, if you look at those in prison and those type of things, those people, majority of them only had mom.

[00:11:56] Josh: Yeah. They were missing that father figure. Wow. Yeah. Or even if the father figure was in the house, it showed that his presence there alone was a deterrent from becoming successful. The lies and more toward truth. Yeah. 

[00:12:11] Speaker 6: Yeah. But I also feel that like, those same things that, uh, like, I don't know, like, like however he, uh, he feels, for example, cause right.

[00:12:19] Speaker 6: Like, I mean, like, I feel like we all had the same things, like we all had, like, like we were taught and we thought, you know, particular things about the world and how things operate. But like, I'm like, I'm not sure how much like, uh, the, um, the mom and dad have on that, especially like in the structure here, like in America, right.

[00:12:39] Speaker 6: Where like, you need for the most part, like. Two, two, two parents to like, both have like pretty good jobs, right? And like, they're probably not having a nine to five anymore, right? Plus commuting and all that, like mom and dad are going to be at work, busy. You're going to be in like, you know, after school program.

[00:13:01] Speaker 6: Yeah, but I think, 

[00:13:01] Eldar: yeah, I get it totally. But I think that, uh, I think you don't underestimate that, like a woman who got dumped. Right. And now she has to fend for herself and be with this, with these children and how she actually feels and what is she's transferring when it comes to that. She's struggling big time.

[00:13:17] Eldar: Yeah. Okay. What kind of feelings she's uh, she's transferring over to her kids without even knowing. 

[00:13:23] Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. 

[00:13:24] Eldar: You know what I mean? I don't think your, your mom might be dissatisfied, right, of feeling certain things about, The world because of her job, because of the relationship or whatever, nonetheless, she's a lack of help.

[00:13:34] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. Like, well, yeah, sure. But she has probably more help having the husband versus a person who doesn't have. I 

[00:13:40] Josh: was talking about the one who doesn't have the husband. 

[00:13:42] Eldar: Exactly. You know, supporting system and stuff like that. And especially depending on how the breakup went, you know, I mean, it could be a lot of anger.

[00:13:49] Eldar: There could be a lot of resentment and stuff like that. That's like completely built in. She's very hard to jump over. 

[00:13:55] Speaker 6: Yeah. But I feel like, you know, parents are not, like, if, when, when, when you're talking about validation, I think, like, having loving parents is definitely good, and it can maybe have, like, some validation for yourself, but I feel like a lot of things are, like, like, um, kids, especially growing up.

[00:14:15] Speaker 6: They don't feel complete, for example, if, like, their parents love them or the parents think that they're cool or, like, validate something, right? Like, they get validation from, like, friends, from online social media, from influencers, whoever, right? There's a big 

[00:14:29] Josh: reason for that, right? There's a big reason. If you, if you, I heard this, I heard this, um, slogan, it says, If you Send your kids to Caesar.

[00:14:42] Josh: Don't expect that they wouldn't come out as Romans. If you're putting your kids to the other people to help those, to help raise your kids, how will truth from your parents be instilled into the, into the next generation? Yeah, 

[00:15:00] Speaker 6: exactly. Right? Like they're, they're, they're, they want validation from whoever's cool and whoever got it.

[00:15:06] Speaker 6: Usually the parents are not cool and they don't got it. 

[00:15:08] Josh: Because they're not around to let you know, like, and I'm going to give you a quick example. If the young kids valued mom and dad, and the only way they can value mom and dad is if mom and dad or dad and mom is there identifying and defining, Hey, this is what cool is.

[00:15:29] Josh: Then the kid, when they see other things that are not quote cool. Or valuable, then they're probably going to not go that route. They'll go the other route. 

[00:15:42] Eldar: Yes, 100%. I think that if the parents have the ability to define cool the proper way, and it's true, it's the closest thing to cool. Mm-hmm . The truth.

[00:15:51] Eldar: Then the kids, when they see the so quote unquote fake cool, they're like, what the fuck is wrong with this? Wrong guy is with what is wrong with this guy? But I 

[00:15:59] Speaker 6: think they're like to, to like, no, but I, to, to, to achieve that. I think one is like. Very hard because a lot of the time spent is not going to be with the parents after like a certain, uh, uh, after a certain age, right?

[00:16:12] Speaker 6: And I'm not sure if that kid will have a good enough base. Yet to like fend off what he's about to be faced with 

[00:16:17] Eldar: well That's why I think that this is what parents young parents should strive for. Mm hmm. 

[00:16:22] Speaker 6: No 100 

[00:16:23] Joe: They need to strive because like you're going off a base of what your experience was And I could think of what you're saying back when you know when I was a kid, you know My father wasn't that really involved my mother was involved with me But like we also had a big family had siblings and had lots of aunts and uncles and cousins So like but what was really idolized was family time And being together and kind of like growing with each other, uh, sort of like what this like circle could be looked at.

[00:16:52] Joe: Like it's a close knit friend circle, which we all had that too. Growing up, it was close friends and close family. And when you don't have that. And you're kind of stray, that's when you start to kind of drift and you, you don't have people to kind of guide you or, or help you and, and love you, check you.

[00:17:10] Joe: Yeah. So like, you know, when you see someone who's like, you know, an alley cat type of dude, it's like, that's because that person was not, you know, wasn't fed that he didn't grow up with getting that nurture, that nurture. But I think, um, well, I was trying to say is, uh, Yeah, the parents, the parents, um, the parents play a huge role, but it's also everything else around you too, you know?

[00:17:39] Josh: Um, 

[00:17:41] Joe: I don't know. 

[00:17:42] Josh: I like that, Joe, because, um, when you, when you, let's say mom is around, dad is at work, or, you know, he's just not, he doesn't have the capacity to contribute toward the truth. There's still other dimensions of truth that you'll get, right? So, Uh, dad is going to teach kids, you know, how to, or at least his sons, how to protect.

[00:18:08] Josh: That's one man teaching you one thing. You learned community, right? We're social creatures and you learned how to be one with family. And so it's no surprise that you've developed character traits to know how to blend with other people because you've been around so many different personalities. And so it does.

[00:18:33] Josh: Hold true that you're, you've been blessed with truth in some element in your life and not, you need validation from them, but now they pointed out something to you, you know, Oh, you look ugly, you didn't brush your teeth. It's not, I mean, they probably delivered it not the best way, but you know, I have to be presentable.

[00:18:56] Josh: That's a truth, right? And so I think you learned something from that and it helped who you are. Just 

[00:19:03] Speaker 6: a side note out there. But if we do like a. Like if we were to add to the podcast, like a character introduction of like who, who the people on it are, I would like Josh to narrate my, my, uh, name and role, please.

[00:19:15] Eldar: Yes, he's got a perfect voice for the podcast. He's got the same voice for the podcast. Yes, he does. I appreciate you. I didn't think so, but that's cool. Well, the good thing is Josh also has, uh, there's meaning behind his words, so that works. He's not just vanity trying to look cool with his nice voice. You know what I'm saying?

[00:19:29] Joe: Yeah. Imagine there was video on this podcast. Oh. That'd be cool. Imagine there was video on this podcast. Oh, yes. Yeah. Oh, you 

[00:19:36] Eldar: talking about Josh's pants and his 

[00:19:38] Joe: shoes. Like my wife said, are you going to wear those pants? I'm like, well, who cares? She's like, I'm like, who cares? 

[00:19:47] Josh: Joe got the best beard. That's true.

[00:19:53] Eldar: All right. I mean, I think that, uh, despite the fact that our youth, you know, my cousin and Harris are not very attentive to this, the subject that you guys saw for the most when it comes to this validation stuff from the world. Yeah. Yeah. Are you holding your breath again? 

[00:20:09] Harris: Yeah. 

[00:20:11] Eldar: Listen, man, I'm 

[00:20:12] Harris: trying to, I'm trying to hit this, but I don't want any of the smoke going to the people next to me.

[00:20:18] Harris: Okay, fine. Oh, that's very nice of you. So you're eating it. brain. You eating it? Oh, you're talking about your, your, your vape. So I'm trying to cut off the oxygen off so you guys don't pay attention. Oh, I thought you were talking on a deeper level. That's probably 

[00:20:29] Josh: a new paradigm. Like, maybe that's partially in part why that youth needs the validation.

[00:20:35] Josh: What do you mean? They're inhaling different toxins and Well, 

[00:20:38] Eldar: well, they're mad dumb, bro. Well, I mean, the toxins is not helping. You're being nice, Josh. They're mad 

[00:20:43] Harris: dumb. You can be real. You know what I mean? You, we go way back. You should talk your shit. We, we talked about some of the shit. You're killing yourself, my man.

[00:20:49] Harris: I already talked to you about the shit I'm already experiencing from the shit. You are so validation, right? So like, yeah. 

[00:20:55] Josh: Remember, let's, let's go before vaping. Yeah. You remember when we was in school, people would smoke cigarettes and they were like. I was one of them, right? Yeah. We were young. Stop 

[00:21:03] Eldar: raising 

[00:21:03] Josh: your hand.

[00:21:04] Josh: I was. You still 10? 

[00:21:05] Harris: Fuck you man. 

[00:21:07] Josh: I got you 

[00:21:08] Harris: goddamn mind. . 

[00:21:10] Josh: So like, that, that is, is, is, is a vaping, the vaping thing. Part of the validation, like, yeah. Everybody else is cool. So let me, of course. Is that No? 

[00:21:20] Harris: Yes. The start was from the cigarettes. That was the thing. You know, I, I went along with it because everyone else was doing, my friend started doing it.

[00:21:28] Harris: I said, fuck it, I'll do it too. And, uh. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, you just, you just gonna skip over that? 

[00:21:34] Eldar: Yeah, he failed all the tests, Josh. What? Wait, 

[00:21:38] Harris: we're talking about validation. Yeah, that was the validation right there. Wait, but who starts, 

[00:21:42] Speaker 6: yeah, but, yeah, but, who starts smoking cigarettes not, not from that?

[00:21:46] Speaker 6: It's not like you're like a 14 year old, like, or like a 13 year old and I can't wait to relieve the stress. Yeah, I can't wait to have so much, you know, like you, you like my, my, my, my understanding at least, right. Is that like you start smoking cigarettes or doing drugs or like any of that from like watching someone else who you feel is cool to do it, right.

[00:22:07] Speaker 6: Like to like try. 

[00:22:07] Josh: Okay. So there's a, there seems to be a miss, a disilluded idea of what cool is. Let's start there. Right. 

[00:22:18] Speaker 10: Oh, absolutely. 

[00:22:19] Josh: Well, yeah. If, if, if, if you don't mind, Mr. President, can, can, can we get your understanding of what you thought cool was or truth was? 

[00:22:29] Harris: Oh, man. Yo, he's, he's, he's gonna, he hit you below, below the belt.

[00:22:36] Harris: Cool. Oh, boy. Here we go. Those were embarrassing days. Like, I mean, when I was younger, at least in high school, when I got to high school, you know. We all started sagging. I mean, I tried to blend in, you know, I used to sag, I used to throw the hat back, you know, uh, 

[00:22:55] Josh: So what was cool? Who, who, who, who, who's, who's this picture?

[00:22:58] Josh: Who are you trying to emulate? Who are you trying to model after? 

[00:23:01] Harris: Me and my friend group would just start doing it, you know, uh, everyone was doing it. Uh, the rappers were doing it. So we all started doing it. Then we started smoking cigarettes, you know, we, and in school, you know, We weren't, uh, the jocks or anything like that, we were the outsider cool group, you know.

[00:23:19] Harris: You weren't cool. Well, actually my school was. Please. Yeah, stop it. Yeah, stop this right now. But, yeah. You tried 

[00:23:25] Eldar: your best to try to look cool, and it failed. Every time. 

[00:23:28] Harris: Epic fail. Yeah. But, you know, I started going to tech school, and then I became, uh, the cigarette seller in the school, and you weren't supposed to do it in my school.

[00:23:38] Josh: You went 

[00:23:38] Harris: to a tech school? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I. My school district ended up sending me out of district. 

[00:23:44] Josh: So I, I'm not looking at the negative per se, but I'm looking at the positive. You went to a tech school. You actually chose that? Like, hey, I want to go to tech. No, so 

[00:23:51] Harris: I went to a private school. The district sent me to a different school for like behavioral problems and shit.

[00:23:57] Harris: Um, who put you in private school? Fairow school district. You got to private school. They paid it. It wasn't really private school. It was for people like that got in trouble. Okay. You know, behavioral shit. It was a special 

[00:24:08] Eldar: school guys. Yeah. 

[00:24:09] Harris: Okay. 

[00:24:10] Eldar: He, he's, they build the pasta bridges, bro. Yeah. Fair. 

[00:24:14] Harris: Fair. Pays to get ready the problem.

[00:24:17] Harris: Gotcha, gotcha. They, 

[00:24:19] Josh: they, they. You said they're, they're trying to make 

[00:24:23] Eldar: them cool as fast as possible. 

[00:24:25] Josh: Yeah, 

[00:24:26] Harris: but you got to get rid of the problems, you know, uh, there was a lot of fights in that school violence because everyone had, uh, anger problems. Uh, but yeah, my junior year, they gave me the option to go to tech school half a day at Hohokus and Patterson.

[00:24:41] Harris: Yeah, and I chose it and there they allowed you to bring your cigarettes to school if you smoke and shit Mm hmm, and you weren't supposed to they condoned it. They they condoned it You were allowed to smoke at the tech school So I would bring my cigarettes But I wasn't supposed to sell the cigarettes to the kids that were staying at that school the whole day.

[00:25:01] Harris: Mm hmm, but I did it Me and my friends were doing it. We thought it was cool. You know, we were the most You know, we were the popular guys, you know, we were the popular guys. We were selling them some smokes, uh, except it all came crashing down when two of the people we sold the cigarettes to walked out of the school and lit it up in the front of the school.

[00:25:21] Harris: And at that point, I have a very 

[00:25:22] Eldar: similar story with a guy I know, but he wasn't selling cigarettes. He was selling bagels. He might or might not be in this room right now. But let's just say 

[00:25:33] Harris: Let's just say, we thought it was the coolest thing, you know? We thought it was the coolest thing. We were popular, you know, everyone wanted the cigarettes.

[00:25:42] Harris: And, uh, it all came crashing down when they started an investigation trying to figure out who was, uh, selling the cigarettes. So this was a serious matter. And the 

[00:25:49] Eldar: guy that was selling the cigarettes was pantless and without a shirt. Oh, stop 

[00:25:53] Harris: it, please. 

[00:25:53] Speaker 6: I was not paying attention. Wait, this was the school you were saying where it was all guys showering together?

[00:25:58] Speaker 6: Oh, fuck 

[00:26:00] Harris: you. 

[00:26:01] Eldar: Fuck you. This is the same school that turned you into, told you 

[00:26:05] Harris: to turn into a 

[00:26:05] Eldar: woman? 

[00:26:06] Harris: Fuck you, fuck you. Yeah, I was suspended for, uh, five days. Oh, no. 

[00:26:10] Josh: Was that a, um, a turning point? 

[00:26:12] Harris: Yeah, a life, the person I sold the cigarette to when they got caught, they ended up threatening to, uh, you know, violate their probation or some shit because they were on probation.

[00:26:23] Harris: So that was a, was that a life changing moment for you? Hell no. Did the five days. 

[00:26:27] Josh: It 

[00:26:27] Harris: was just like, 

[00:26:28] Josh: whatever. Yeah. You know, it 

[00:26:30] Eldar: just kind of build our cred. No, because when you have a principal who said, look. If you sucked a demon out of me. 

[00:26:36] Harris: But no. The one pissed off thing, uh, Everything, uh, 

[00:26:43] Josh: Everything's clean.

[00:26:45] Harris: The one thing I was pissed about was like, oh, uh, if you're not, you know, you're suspended from here so you can't go to tech school half a day. I'm like, yeah, who, what, you know? And I was learning how to weld, so that kind of pissed me off. You actually like welding. I mean, it was fun. I didn't get to finish the thing, because we ended up losing 

[00:27:03] Eldar: a couple of fingers in the process.

[00:27:04] Eldar: No, 

[00:27:05] Harris: but yeah, it was pretty cool. But, uh, 

[00:27:09] Josh: so you're, you're, you was fed or you, you chose. To make cool something that wasn't of truth. 

[00:27:23] Harris: Yeah. Whatever my friends did, you know, I, you know, you don't wanna look like the weak link out of the, outta the 

[00:27:29] Josh: group. Um, I mean, I, I get that. Have you, I mean, in retrospect, have you considered like, Hmm, I could have just led the whole thing in a different way.

[00:27:41] Josh: I could have been a leader instead of a follower. Like El Spike. Yeah. Right. What? Oh, no. We, he, no, he 

[00:27:47] Speaker 6: is stuck in the Amazon jungle. And his knees are covered in honey and he's stuck in the mud with pythons and jaguars everywhere. Got it. He doesn't have a mouth. Yeah, and he has no mouth or arms. I was a teenager, 

[00:28:01] Harris: you know, just going with the flow, having fun.

[00:28:03] Harris: Wow. And at the time, you know And now 

[00:28:06] Eldar: I'm left picking up the pieces. You, you You understand what I'm fighting now? That's kind of messed up the way you're saying it, man. What do you mean messed up? That's what it is. You just told your story. Back then. Back then he was probably around 12. And how old 

[00:28:20] Harris: are 

[00:28:20] Eldar: you?

[00:28:22] Harris: 27. It's going on 27, yeah. So yeah, I'm still at 12. Yeah, we're still at 12. No, would you stop it, man? We're not at 12, man. 

[00:28:29] Eldar: Okay, fine. But, right, what, what's, what's happened throughout all these years, right? Harris has been peddled a very specific image about how he's supposed to be, quote unquote. You're supposed to be cool.

[00:28:43] Eldar: Like you said, it's a wrong image of being cool because maybe mom and dad weren't around. Maybe, you know, which is true, actually, you know what I mean? In some cases, I can only No, this is actually true in his case. His mom and dad separated. It was an abusive relationship. I'm not denying that. That's right.

[00:28:58] Eldar: By the wolves. 

[00:28:58] Josh: There comes a point in one's life where you have to make a choice, right? You can't keep blaming it on That's right. You know, external Correct. Factors, yeah. 

[00:29:10] Speaker 6: I don't know if you have to ever. 

[00:29:12] Eldar: Well, no, I think that in an environment, 

[00:29:13] Josh: no, 

[00:29:14] Eldar: no, no, but in certain environments, you can't like this environment, for example, right?

[00:29:18] Eldar: There's so many times you could just gonna keep pointing the fingers and giving excuses are like this didn't work out because of that That that he's knows and he became very good at doing this Yeah, but himself now my job is to empower him and to be able to finally take accountability point the finger at yourself And become empowered and that you can, can enjoy this world, this reality on your own accord, because of what you are empowered now to do, you 

[00:29:46] Josh: make a choice.

[00:29:47] Josh: And I guess you said you, 

[00:29:49] Eldar: but I'm dealing with fear, insecurities, right? That validation and all these other things that I'm trying to break and I'm not fighting Harris. Right. So no, Harris is a nice kid. That's the truth. Everyone's that child. Correct. Correct. Especially Harris. We and Harris, if you want to give the testimony, your testimony to everyone, to the world what?

[00:30:09] Eldar: That you're just a little boy , 

[00:30:11] Harris: you know? And then, well, I'm gonna war. I'm just a little boy. 

[00:30:14] Eldar: Yeah, yeah. That you are actually a nice guy. Like that's the truth of the. He's built up this persona, this character, to be cool, or be tough, or whatever, because of his environment and all this other crap. And now I have to break that down.

[00:30:29] Eldar: And I think you got a lot on your hands. A hundred percent. I think Well, not on our hands, because we're all trying to do it collectively. And even Joe is now tapping into it, helping us. Yeah, yeah. Thank you, Joe. 

[00:30:42] Speaker 6: One also, I think, like, crazy thing about validation is that, because That kind of validation is all external validation.

[00:30:52] Speaker 6: Yeah, if things don't go right or you're doing something wrong, 

[00:30:55] Eldar: you tell 

[00:30:56] Josh: the external blame 

[00:30:56] Speaker 6: is the external world. It's somebody else's fault 

[00:30:59] Josh: That makes sense. Right? That makes no one. 

[00:31:01] Speaker 6: No one who seeks external validation is also like self accountable 

[00:31:06] Josh: Oh, that's a powerful statement. Can we, can we, can we, can we, I'm writing this down, right?

[00:31:11] Josh: Hey, Josh, 

[00:31:12] Eldar: you don't know, but we have quotes, so many quotes that we already made t shirts into and the guys actually wear these t shirts not today. Obviously. Why the fuck are you wearing that shirt, man? Take your shirt off right now, man. Show the 

[00:31:22] Harris: tips. 

[00:31:26] Eldar: Say that again, totally. That was really good. 

[00:31:28] Speaker 6: It's impossible for people who seek external validation to be self accountable.

[00:31:38] Josh: That's good. I like that. 

[00:31:39] Speaker 6: It's impossible. How could you be the blank? Can I, can I can, can you 

[00:31:41] Joe: re reword that into like a, a, like a smaller brain that can understand it? Yes. Wow. That's tough. I didn't, I was, 

[00:31:51] Harris: yeah, because these comments, they need to, you say it in English for him, please. Yes, English. 

[00:31:58] Josh: Okay. The 

[00:31:59] Eldar: people.

[00:32:00] Eldar: That are pointing 

[00:32:01] Josh: at everything else outside 

[00:32:02] Eldar: that are have insecurities, right? The ones that have insecurities that need the world to tell them that they're pretty others 

[00:32:09] Speaker 6: of what to do. Yes, 

[00:32:10] Eldar: they listen to the world to tell them what to do and to validate them, right? It's impossible for them. To be accountable when shit hits the fan, they're gonna say, the world did it.

[00:32:23] Eldar: It's always the world. It's always the world. That 

[00:32:26] Speaker 6: person's fault, that person's fault, uh, that person's fault, right? It's impossible. Yeah, like, for example, just recently, my, um, sister calls me, and She's telling me about how she didn't get an internship from like the company that she she's in which which she has like a Regular job, but like a retail store.

[00:32:46] Josh: Okay, 

[00:32:47] Speaker 6: but she was told like a year ago that they have mark marketing like positions Okay, she calls me and she starts a conversation by saying hey, I got screwed over And I'm like, oh, how did you get screwed over what she's telling me about the story what she originally told me with us I'm like Hey, don't rely on this, like, like whoever told you this or like what they're promising you, go apply to a hundred places, and if you get accepted from five of them, you have options now, right?

[00:33:13] Speaker 6: Now you can choose. Instead, she didn't apply anywhere, 

[00:33:17] Eldar: she just 

[00:33:17] Speaker 6: believed what this one person said, waiting. And then when it's time for the, for like the decision, they said, Oh yeah, it actually didn't happen. Like it's not going to work out. Right. But, but the, the rhetoric that's being spewed to me is I got fucked over.

[00:33:34] Josh: So self accountability. 

[00:33:36] Speaker 6: Yeah. So instead of like, like someone else now something happened and it's not your fault, it's someone else's fault. Someone else did something bad to you. Therefore, this is happening and you're in this unfortunate situation. So she doesn't, 

[00:33:48] Eldar: yeah, 

[00:33:48] Josh: so she doesn't come back to what Toli told her, right?

[00:33:51] Josh: She didn't say, you know what, I was wrong for not exploring the other Correct. Like all 

[00:33:55] Speaker 6: my eggs in one basket, right? I should have applied to 20 places. 

[00:34:00] Josh: So how do we get people to focus that lens toward

[00:34:10] Josh: stop blaming others? How do we get them to focus inward? How do we Harris, what questions do we? Yes. 

[00:34:19] Speaker 6: No, I feel like it's like a 

[00:34:20] Josh: courage them to explore. 

[00:34:21] Speaker 6: Yeah I feel like it's like a like a two part thing, right? I think one entity in in to take in in today's society It's not okay to be wrong and it's not okay.

[00:34:32] Speaker 6: Yeah. No, 

[00:34:33] Eldar: correct. Listen to what he's about Yeah, 

[00:34:35] Speaker 6: like if I ask you a question, right and and and we're in like a social environment, right? It's not okay to say like, I don't know, or like, IM not sure. That's a not okay thing. That is not okay. Absolutely not. Mm-hmm. No social 

[00:34:50] Josh: sabotage. Have I been in the cave that long?

[00:34:52] Eldar: Yeah. Like you've been out of the cave for too long, , and you forgot to, you forgot to check what's in there. What, so you haven't been doing God's work and I'm, I have a bone to pick for later. Oh, I can't. 

[00:35:02] Josh: It will, it, it's socially unacceptable for me to be like, Hmm, I don't know. I gotta, I gotta find, I gotta figure that out.

[00:35:07] Josh: I gotta look into it. I can't do that. 

[00:35:09] Speaker 6: No. 

[00:35:09] Josh: Wow. 

[00:35:10] Speaker 6: No, so, so being in a state of, I. I don't know is bad. You either have like, like, you have to pick a side at all times. You have to be either, I don't know, like Republican or Democrat. You can't be like, Hey, I really don't know about politics. I don't know policy.

[00:35:26] Speaker 6: And I did not read the thousands of pages of plans that either president has. Therefore I can't associate with either party because I don't have the time or the desire to look into it. 

[00:35:35] Josh: For example, you don't make the time. 

[00:35:37] Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like you're not interested in now for like, like you don't make the time instead.

[00:35:42] Speaker 6: People just, for example, will say like, I'm Republican, or I support Trump, I support Biden, or Kamala, or whoever, right? But they don't actually know, like, what's behind it, or what's going on. So, it is absolutely not okay in today's society to be in a state of, I don't know about things. And because you're in a state, you're, you're, uh, not okay to be in that state.

[00:36:02] Speaker 6: You need to be in the form of I in in the form of I know so on all these different subjects about life You operate as if you know, and when you operate as if you know How can you be put in a position to succeed here? 

[00:36:16] Eldar: And how are you gonna be put in the position that you're gonna be hold yourself accountable.

[00:36:20] Eldar: Are you kidding? Are you crazy? What's gonna happen? Is it when you're wrong? You're gonna say oh they told me this cuz you know, you can't 

[00:36:26] Speaker 6: be You, you can't have the feeling of being wrong and being accountable or stupid if you're like, you can't be, you can't be, no, he's a rebuttal king. 

[00:36:35] Eldar: Yeah, he's a rebuttal king.

[00:36:37] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:36:40] Harris: Say something. Yeah. I'm still working on accountability, man. Thank you. Humility. That was, that was beautiful. Can we get a, can we get a clap thing? Yes. Yeah. 

[00:36:48] Josh: Yeah. We don't need one of those. 

[00:36:50] Speaker 11: Fuck you guys. That's a good one. 

[00:36:53] Harris: Yeah. He 

[00:36:53] Speaker 6: clicked the wrong button. I thought, yeah, everybody has to know everything at all times.

[00:36:59] Speaker 6: Because it's because it's you get put into that position of, I don't know, you feel dumb. Oh, check this out. Others 

[00:37:04] Eldar: who feel it. Why do you feel like I got actually a perfect example? Because can you give us an example that you gave us last week on how would you prepare to know something before you go to your friend's house?

[00:37:15] Eldar: Can you give them that example? I think it would be very interesting for him to understand this. This is how this works, Josh. Okay. 

[00:37:22] Tolis: Uh, like, uh, when a friend of mine asks me like, uh, yo, you can come tomorrow, like to my house, like to fix something in the computer. I know computer stuff. So he says to me that I have, and I'm saying about what, like what kind of problem.

[00:37:42] Josh: Right. 

[00:37:43] Tolis: So, but he, he talks to me like in general, like not specific, what's the problem. Like the 

[00:37:50] Josh: monitor 

[00:37:51] Tolis: don't turn on. An idea. Okay. And what I'm going to do is like, uh, the last night I'm going to do a research 

[00:38:00] Eldar: the night before he goes to his house to help him. 

[00:38:03] Tolis: Yeah, I do the research about this problem.

[00:38:05] Tolis: All right. Do you 

[00:38:06] Josh: know what the problem is? 

[00:38:07] Tolis: He told me about it. Okay. So you have 

[00:38:09] Josh: a general idea. I have a general idea. 

[00:38:10] Tolis: So I do a lot of research about this problem. Okay. Why? So the next day I go to his house and he's telling me, okay, this is a problem. I need 10 seconds because I did the research. And I need 10 seconds to solve it.

[00:38:26] Tolis: All right, I'll have the solution in 10 seconds. That's it. I'm going to say it. 

[00:38:32] Eldar: He's like, he solves this. He's like, this is not a real 

[00:38:35] Speaker 6: problem. I got it. This is so easy. But his friend in the first place, he's inviting him saying like, hey, like some, something's not working. Let's figure it out together. Or like, let's, let's work on it.

[00:38:44] Speaker 6: So he does the research beforehand. He doesn't want to be in a position 

[00:38:48] Eldar: where he doesn't know. 

[00:38:48] Josh: So you want to be, you, you, you want to be the hero. You want to be the hero. You want to be looked at as prestige, knowledgeable and Very 

[00:38:57] Tolis: smart guy, like, thinks quick, quick, 

[00:39:00] Speaker 6: figuring shit out, you know? That's 

[00:39:01] Josh: cool.

[00:39:02] Josh: I think those are good practices to have, like, That's crazy, Josh. Hold on, hold on, let me Hold on, because 

[00:39:10] Joe: I'm gonna side with Josh here, because I have a question, but go ahead. But, 

[00:39:13] Josh: like, I think Those practices are, are good, right? Like, 

[00:39:17] Speaker 6: No, but he doesn't operate at like, like his friend thinks that they just did that, like, right there.

[00:39:22] Speaker 6: Like, imagine we're putting together a puzzle, She didn't tell his friend that he had just researched it at all. Yeah, no, he operates as if like, yo, look at me, I'm the man, I'm the man, I just figured this shit out. It's like, if we're putting together a puzzle, That I did the night before , and I know where every piece goes and you're like, Tony, 

[00:39:38] Eldar: how'd you figure this shit out?

[00:39:39] Eldar: He was like, I'm a genius. I'm just genius. Yeah. Put this one here, put this one there. That, that, is that accurate? 

[00:39:43] Tolis: Yes. And I'm gonna tell him last night I went like for a movie with, uh, that guy. Okay. So you, so you lied. Oh. So he, he's not gonna know. So I an alibi, you know. Yeah. Alibi, guys, 

[00:39:54] Josh: I'm, I'm gonna share this with you, right?

[00:39:56] Josh: Yeah. Because this is, this is pretty, pretty epic for me. 

[00:39:58] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:40:00] Josh: I'm, I'm talking to El. This week, Tuesday, and I'm like, yo, Eldar, I'm trying to figure this thing out, right? Can I, can I just Yeah, of course you can. Yo, Eldar, for two years, research, right? I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm practicing things. Um, I got a pad that I've been writing.

[00:40:19] Josh: My first date. When I spoke to Eldar, it was 2020. Yeah. We're five years later, right? So, 2020, I'm like, yo Eldar, I got this business idea, I want to be a businessman, I need your help. Eldar, I go to him because, for me, that's a credible source. He actually started a business, it's thriving, it's good. This is 2020.

[00:40:44] Josh: Eldar's like, Alright, good Josh, I see you trying to, you know, grow and, alright, tell me what you got. I tell him like, I want to do this, I forgot what the idea was. I 

[00:40:55] Speaker 6: remember it. 

[00:40:56] Josh: You do? I do remember it. Totally, please help. 

[00:40:58] Speaker 6: You were gonna, uh, help, you, you were gonna do physical training and give the people the uh, nice Brazilian butt, butt lift exercises.

[00:41:05] Speaker 6: Yes. Close. Close. 

[00:41:06] Josh: Yeah. Close. You have a bigger butt. I remember him talking about it. Yeah, so, 

[00:41:11] Josh: the, the, the concept was, I wanted to. Um, have a gym, but the gym was gonna be like In the world. Outside. The world was going to be the gym. 

[00:41:22] Josh: Yeah. 

[00:41:22] Josh: And I was going to, ah, I didn't. Basically, that's what the general idea was.

[00:41:28] Josh: Eldar brought a sledgehammer and demolished it. Intentionally. He wasn't just slaying me just to be like, ah, you stupid. He, that's not what, that's, I don't know if, like, you guys know how Eldar 

[00:41:40] Josh: operates. 

[00:41:41] Josh: He operates to be like, did you? Do your homework? Did you think this through? Are you just like shooting off stupidity off the top of your head?

[00:41:50] Josh: And I'm like I think I did enough. And so for five years, I literally have been doing the homework. I call Eldar this week, Tuesday. I'm like, yeah, I'm trying to figure it out. Dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. He's like, bro, just, just, just use AI. Grok or Croc or whatever it was. Yeah, Grok. What's that? Yeah. In a cave. I literally been, he's like, yeah, just use the AI.

[00:42:17] Josh: They give you the And I'm like, all right, cool. That night, I'm on the phone with my man, who's starting this podcast business. And he, the whole meeting that we're talking about, he's asking Chet, whatever, right? And I'm like, who are you talking to? He's like, I'm, I'm talking to the, to the AI. And, He pulled it up on the screen.

[00:42:37] Josh: As he's talking, I'm seeing all of these numbers like a letter, like just filling the thing. I'm like, what witchcraft is witchcraft, . 

[00:42:47] Eldar: I'm bugging out. Yeah. I'm like, yo, this, what is this? Magic? It's cool. 

[00:42:51] Josh: Yeah, and I'm here, here, I'm doing, I'm typing in Google. Yeah. A document pops up. I gotta read it. I gotta go on YouTube, which is, that's, that's new technology for me.

[00:43:00] Josh: YouTube so I can actually see how people are doing it . And so I'm like, wow, this YouTube is cool. Yeah, that AI is elite. Yeah, but it shows you how to do the things. Yeah, I like preparation I think that's a good quality to have I like Interaction too. So I'm I like the idea of yo, but not for the use 

[00:43:24] Eldar: case that he's talking about He wants to prop himself up.

[00:43:26] Eldar: He wants to seem like he's bigger than he is. He wants to be cool You know what? I mean? Like 

[00:43:30] Speaker 6: he's not doing it for moral reasons like Like if you said like, Hey guys, I 

[00:43:35] Josh: studied what, let's, let's do it now. I'm 

[00:43:37] Speaker 6: prepared. No, he wants that feeling of like, again, like I know exactly where every puzzle piece goes and you're like, so where do you get 

[00:43:44] Mike: them from?

[00:43:44] Mike: I have a question. I have a, not a question, but I have a question and I have a statement. Because something very funny happened today that 

[00:43:51] Josh: you guys just mentioned. And then we can get Joe's insight, because I want to hear what Joe, because Joe had something to say. You said 

[00:43:56] Eldar: Joe 

[00:43:56] Mike: was 

[00:43:56] Josh: falling asleep? 

[00:43:57] Mike: So No, I did want to participate.

[00:43:59] Mike: Go ahead, go ahead. Today, yesterday, uh, Cuz, Cuz is here. He's helping me with the work stuff. And yesterday he broke the printers. Yeah. What? Yeah, yesterday he broke the printers, okay? But that wasn't even that serious. So he comes in today. He's trying to fix the printers and he fixes them right and then there's one thing he can't fix.

[00:44:22] Mike: Okay, and This printer one of the printers flip prints on both sides and he's sitting there I don't know how long how long cause did you sit? 

[00:44:31] Tolis: I was like 40 40 40 40 minutes. 

[00:44:33] Mike: Okay, he comes I can't do this. I can't do this. Okay, hold on one second I go sit down and then he goes I fix it in 10 seconds. He goes What'd he say?

[00:44:45] Mike: He said, yo, he did this in 10 seconds. How'd you do this 

[00:44:48] Tolis: was 10 seconds. What the fuck was that 

[00:44:50] Mike: man? You know? Did you do your research on the back? I didn't do my research, but wow. I just thought about like, wait, like I'm not, I'm, I don't know if he was pissed, but I can imagine that he was probably pissed, like, yo, this motherfucker and I, and he goes, did his 

[00:45:01] Josh: reach, he probably did his research to fix it because his, 

[00:45:04] Mike: he said, he said.

[00:45:05] Mike: You did this before, probably, right? He thinks you're 

[00:45:08] Josh: doing what he sees. Yeah. 

[00:45:11] Mike: I just went and sat down and looked around. Practical experience. I had no idea where to look. I just started looking around. Yeah. And I started clicking shit that made sense. You know, but 

[00:45:23] Josh: you've got that from life, you know, uh, maybe no, I think it was just 

[00:45:27] Mike: a matter of life playing out to piss him off.

[00:45:29] Mike: Yeah, yeah, that's good. But he didn't say if he has this, 

[00:45:34] Eldar: he has this attachment to be the hero, to be the smartest guy in the room and stuff like that, you know what I mean? But why not do that? No, but naturally, no. But the truth of the matter is that's very difficult to do. Impossible. So it's a no, but it's also I want to 

[00:45:46] Joe: say.

[00:45:47] Eldar: Yeah, 

[00:45:47] Joe: because when I heard that. That story about you helping your friend, you heard it on the podcast. No, no, no, I don't remember that story But when we were just debating on back and forth, I'm like why that I'm like, why is it a bad thing? You guys like no, no, trust me. It's bad. I Didn't understand what did they you were kind of putting on a facade to try to act like to be kind of praised by your friends to make it seem like you showed up and you did it like this because you're super smart.

[00:46:14] Joe: But if you rewind all that, your knowledge of computers is, uh, is impressive, right? And your ability to hear what the problem is and then go. Yeah. Yeah. Let me look into that for you. Verbally tell. Yeah. Yeah. That's your problem. All right. Give me, give me a second. Let me go look into it. You go and look into it.

[00:46:33] Joe: You figure out problem solve what it is. 10 seconds. Yeah. Or if it took you all night, you can be like, Hey bro, I got, I got the solution. You show up, you fix it. And your friend goes, damn bro. That's thanks man. I was been I've been scratching my head this whole time trying to do it. Yeah I knew I could rely on you.

[00:46:52] Joe: That's not the point But but the point I'm trying to say is his capabilities are there right and what I see what I want magic I know but still but what I want to be magician Okay but what I would value and give you that praise is that you were actually able to fix the problem because you have the You had that the four abilities 

[00:47:11] Speaker 6: Party in that situation You have no idea that what did all did on, on the backend.

[00:47:16] Speaker 6: So you feel that way about him? No. But way he wants, he wants it on, 

[00:47:20] Joe: he wants that, but on steroids. But what I'm trying to tell you, correct, what I trying to tell is he, you're gonna get that from me or your friend anyway. No, you, Joe. You go, no, no. The friend from Joe, because Joe 

[00:47:30] Eldar: can appreciate that kind of knowledge.

[00:47:31] Eldar: But the friend would've praised him the same way. Friend, friend. Friend asked. The friend asked, what he's looking for is a lot more. He wasn't saying, you 

[00:47:38] Joe: and me were gonna do this together. Sinister. But, but, but your friend didn't say that. 

[00:47:42] Josh: Yeah, 

[00:47:42] Joe: your friend didn't say yo, you and me we're gonna we're gonna get at this together and let's put our minds together And then you did you tried to one up him and act like the smarter of the two.

[00:47:52] Joe: I don't think that was 

[00:47:55] Eldar: You guys are not Appreciating enough what he's actually trying to accomplish. Well, you know, now that you let He's wilding out. Yeah, right. Yeah, the gig. 

[00:48:04] Joe: Right. The gig, Warren. It's like, what I'm trying to also understand about your mentality about is like, it seems like kids these days are younger, younger youth.

[00:48:14] Joe: They're all like competing with each other and they want to be first or best or have the most likes or have the most friends. Biggest smartest, biggest. Yeah. So you guys, that's the social status, right. The, that everyone's trying to like gain points in, uh, and then you're also trying to be an individual, but unique and cool, and you want to have that like praise and, and, and, um, And like, you know, elite, elite status where it's like, you're, cause everyone's competing in this pool and everyone is trying, you know, trying to Compete and be better than the next.

[00:48:50] Joe: It's like, um, so they're in that rat race that everyone's comparing. It's like, it's like, it's what am I wearing? Where, what do I got? What can I, what am I representing? Uh, and I think that's ultimately the downfall. It's getting worse for, for the generations as, as we, you know, I don't think we dealt with it as much.

[00:49:11] Joe: We were like, happy, go lucky playing outside. We also wanted cool shoes. We wanted to go to school with like cool shoes on. And we kind of, we kind of. Like wanted to, you know, like the popularity aspect, but it wasn't that deep. It wasn't that deep. You got 

[00:49:24] Josh: Jordans? I'm going to go get the better. No, no, no. We, yeah, we weren't.

[00:49:27] Josh: It wasn't that deep. You got Jordans? Cool. Me too. Yeah. 

[00:49:29] Joe: Yeah. Or I got these and you got those. OK, we both got cool shoes. Let's swap. Like, who did that? Yeah, it was more like a communal. Sure, you got some 

[00:49:37] Eldar: stinky feet, Josh. Yeah, except for mine. Mine's pretty bad. But so what I'm trying to 

[00:49:41] Joe: say is like, you have the fundamentals.

[00:49:44] Joe: You have like the the foundations of being like a cool, great person. That's not enough. Yeah, but like, I see it. 

[00:49:51] Eldar: Yes, but you're an old guy who, you're not cool, you suck. I guess, if, if you do. What do you mean? Like, who are you, Joe? Look at the clothes you're wearing. Yeah, I'm a bob, I look like a bob. What kind of shoes are you wearing, Joe?

[00:50:01] Eldar: This is embarrassing. These are from Australia, dog. You gotta get with this. Yeah, what is this thing? This is you looking like Crocodile Dundee, bro. You know what I mean? But that's what I mean, like, like, Paul Bunyan. Well, come on, man. 

[00:50:13] Josh: I think, like, society has changed so much so that, The identity of what cool is, is so murky and blurry.

[00:50:21] Josh: Yes. That now you think that whatever this thing is. That's why you 

[00:50:25] Eldar: have to wear what you have to wear, Josh. So you can get, you can be the hook. Right? Looking pretty good. You're the face of this, of this thing? No, I'm saying that you're the face of whatever company you're in, and you have to look very nice and presentable to fucking catch the attention of the individual that you're working with.

[00:50:39] Eldar: So, I think, appearance, I think 

[00:50:41] Josh: is It's a big thing. Right? And that's a part of the thing, right? So, now, I'm not doing an appearance to be like, Hey, look, I'm so, no, I'm doing this for the same reason I hold you, Eldar, I hold Mike, Eldar, like, I hold these guys to an esteem, right? Why do I do that? Because Time and time again, you've consistently provided evidence that you're a credible source.

[00:51:08] Josh: I can call Mike anytime and be like, yo Mike, business strategy, give me something. And no chat, nothing, Mike will be like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and go on. I can call you the same way. Totally. I can call these people. And so that image, whether it's clothes or just your mind, has consistently proven to me that I can trust that reliable source.

[00:51:31] Josh: There's no murky. There's no fog. I could see it because, I mean, we grew up together, but I could see it. So when something corny presents itself, and I see that, I'm, what is this? So, cause when I say, side note guys, you are elite. I think what you've missed in that whole thing that you tried to do, the sinister plot, was one of the pivotal things that you didn't value as something that is of truth, is literally truth, integrity.

[00:52:13] Josh: If you did what Joe had mentioned and said, you know what, I don't know it, I am going to go figure it out. You figuring it out from the outside eye is like, wow, he's doing research. I wouldn't do research. 

[00:52:30] Eldar: They He's taking the extra step. And I think that They value that. And that, I'm going to tie into the topic that you brought into this room before we started the podcast, is work ethic.

[00:52:38] Eldar: Yeah. And I personally think that cuz, if he does have a superpower, I think the work ethic is embedded in that. 

[00:52:45] Josh: Yeah, 100%. 100%. Right, now 

[00:52:49] Eldar: Because of the way I've observed him, and because of he's willing to take the extra mile to go. Because not everyone goes. No, correct. Forget the mile, bro. Forget the mile.

[00:52:57] Josh: They 

[00:52:58] Eldar: don't take a step. Correct. 

[00:53:00] Mike: 100%. 

[00:53:01] Josh: So 

[00:53:01] Mike: One thing, I guess, uh, ties into this, which I hadn't thought about, and I guess you guys were kind of disagreeing, but Um, 

[00:53:09] Josh: we were agreeing. Me and Joe, 

[00:53:10] Mike: you were, you were, you were disagreeing with everybody else. You guys are the old heads, bro. You guys are the old heads.

[00:53:14] Mike: You guys connect, 

[00:53:16] Eldar: but, um, talking about you don't know how to use chat GPT and shit, bro. I found out when you told me, sorry, 

[00:53:22] Joe: myself too. I just started, 

[00:53:24] Eldar: sorry, Mike, go ahead. 

[00:53:25] Mike: Yeah, I wanted to say that, um, well, me and Carlos spoke about this like very briefly, but, um, we didn't get into that. But it's something that I always think about is like a lot of people like, uh, want to judge things being bad or good.

[00:53:39] Josh: Say it again, Mike, say it again. 

[00:53:40] Mike: I was saying that a lot of times things are judged whether they're, um, bad or good, right? Like people say, oh, drinking is bad. Is that a good thing? Uh, black and white. I'm playing, I'm playing, I'm playing. Or like people say, oh, smoking is bad, right? Right. And I, uh, it's hard, like I'm trying to say it, but I think No, none of those things are good or bad.

[00:54:00] Mike: It's only the person's association with it. So if Uz wants to go out there and take that extra step and go do the research, it could be coming from one place, which is ego to fuel his ego to be, you know, to boost his arrogance, whatever. Or it could be. 'cause he actually wants to know. He wants to find out.

[00:54:18] Mike: So I think. A lot of cases in life, it's always that thing. Where is the intention? Is the intention for drinking alcohol because you're miserable, you're depressed? Or it's because you're celebrating life and you actually have a good life and you're doing it. Not to forget yourself, but to enjoy yourself.

[00:54:34] Mike: Right. So I can, I can. And a lot of times it's. Hards people 100 percent have a hard time identifying the what's what and they always tell themselves whatever they want to hear like, oh, no No, I drink cuz I everything's good I'm just you know, but you stuff but you really you you need a drink so you can forget about everything that's happening And this applies to this too.

[00:54:53] Mike: He is by him going to that research It's a form of him suffering because he needs to get the praise on the back end, 

[00:54:59] Josh: but that's because of the miss Because of the lack of truth that he associates with as truth, like he doesn't well, 

[00:55:10] Mike: I think it's a lack of the understanding of what is the truth. That's what I was getting at.

[00:55:14] Mike: Yeah, yeah, 

[00:55:15] Speaker 6: that that was basically like, I mean, like part of the topic. That's what I was talking about earlier. Um, earlier in the week, I called them and I said that, like, I was thinking about it and like, yeah, A lot of people, um, um, in general, they have this illusion of like, of people who are happy or smile and you see somebody, for example, that like, you know, has a nice car, is very rich, like wealthy, got everything like materialistically.

[00:55:44] Speaker 6: Right. And you see them smiling, I don't know, on TV, wherever you see it in the movie, right, wherever, but you, you internalize that as to like, okay. If I get these things, this equals me having that same smile and me feeling that kind of way. But you don't know if that person has, you know, crazy anxiety, is arrogant, has no relationship with this family or loved ones, like, treats people like shit, like, you don't know what that person is actually about.

[00:56:14] Speaker 6: But, um, through you seeing that, um, illusion that you're creating, right? And, and like sometimes also it's like being marketed to you, like that person could be marketing you the illusion, right? But also, you could be seeing it and assuming it. That like, okay, he's smiling, now this is gonna be me when I get this, right?

[00:56:35] Speaker 6: And now, you saw this, you captured this. And now you go on a forever life quest to do this and to seek 

[00:56:42] Josh: out not truth 

[00:56:43] Speaker 6: to yeah, yeah No to seek out what you think is truth, but right 

[00:56:47] Josh: but truth truth is uh One second. 

[00:56:52] Eldar: Absolutely. We have a 

[00:56:52] Mike: special 

[00:56:54] Eldar: Yes, let's pause this real quick Josh. Sorry truth is absolutely said yeah, we're gonna say hi to our main man.

[00:56:59] Eldar: My 

[00:56:59] Mike: main 

[00:57:00] Eldar: man, Tommy Tommy in the shadow

[00:57:06] Eldar: Tommy come on in man Josh, this is, uh, boy Tommy. I met Tommy. You met Tommy before. Like 10 years ago. 10 years ago. What is it, Josh? Josh, the garbage is over 

[00:57:15] Harris: there. What up, Tommy? 

[00:57:18] Eldar: Josh, the context is Tommy is ours. Tommy is ours. Why are you laughing? And you guys You read my whole mind, the whole thing, like, yo, you ain't got to tell me no more.

[00:57:27] Eldar: Tom, I actually know you. Yeah, yeah, he's ours. 

[00:57:30] Harris: I've owned this guy for a while. 

[00:57:32] Mike: Turtleneck. Tom, 

[00:57:37] Josh: my man, my man, Tommy came in here like the 2024 Bruce Wayne, Bruce Wayne. Yeah. 

[00:57:47] Joe: Tommy turtleneck. 

[00:57:51] Mike: You can share the mic. Was that a pocket 

[00:57:53] Joe: pen in your left pocket? 

[00:57:54] Mike: A hundred percent. 

[00:57:55] Joe: Yes. Always. Always Your hair was much longer.

[00:58:00] Mike: It was much longer. 

[00:58:00] Josh: Yeah. 

[00:58:01] Mike: Yeah. Dread. You had dread Josh? Yeah. Yeah. Damn, man. You understand? I haven't seen you in that long that I already forgot. You forgot. 

[00:58:06] Josh: That's crazy. Yeah. In my phone, a photo of us in, um, Miami. Not even Miami. I have a, I have a 

[00:58:13] Mike: question. I have a question for you. Bermuda. Do you remember that?

[00:58:17] Mike: Me and you? Because, uh, people sometimes ask me, yeah, we was Batman, robbing out there. You remember that? Uh, me and, uh, people ask me all the time, have you ever been to Vegas? Do you remember that? Me and you? Went to Vegas together. We went to Vegas. 

[00:58:29] Josh: That was, that was, and this is 

[00:58:30] Mike: Josh. Who doesn't drink, who doesn't smoke, who doesn't curse.

[00:58:33] Mike: Me and him went to Vegas. 

[00:58:34] Josh: We went to Vegas. 

[00:58:35] Mike: Me and him, and these two girlies that he was, he was with his too shorties. 

[00:58:40] Josh: I mean, nothing happened. Let's, let's, nothing happened. No. No. Nothing 

[00:58:42] Mike: happened. No. Ashley 

[00:58:43] Josh: was my friend, so we went out there and was a friend. We just enjoying. 

[00:58:47] Mike: Yeah, but it was pretty sick.

[00:58:49] Mike: It was sick. You remember that, Josh? Yeah, that was cool. 

[00:58:52] Josh: Yeah, it was fun. Like, shoutouts to Mike because, let me tell you what happened. I'm like, yo, I want to go out to my aunt. I want to go out to Vegas. My friend is out there. I want to go meet him. Like, I want to go meet up. And Mike was like, I'll go with you.

[00:59:07] Josh: I'm like, word? I'm like, all right, cool. Let me let me let me just do what I gotta do because I wasn't I wasn't I wasn't financially Ready. I didn't have the truth of financial 

[00:59:22] Eldar: I like the way you phrased that 

[00:59:24] Josh: so But listen when you can have 

[00:59:26] Eldar: fun with the word play it's 

[00:59:28] Josh: good. It's good. It's good. You know, what's up?

[00:59:30] Josh: So, but Mike was ready and he, he, Mike, did you drop that same day and get the ticket? 

[00:59:36] Eldar: Uh, probably. I usually like to do spontaneous. Yo, yo, you know what? I'm going to say the story right now before I forget. You know what I mean? There was one time, it was me, Mike. Josh, I just fell in love with Catherine and we were going to Miami, right?

[00:59:48] Eldar: And Portnoy was there. Oh, I forgot Portnoy. Portnoy and his girl was there, you know, they were about to get married or whatever, right? Things going down. Yeah, they have their own room and me, Mike, Catherine and Josh. Oh, yeah. I, I like recently just fell in love with Cat. Yeah. You know what I mean? And we were hanging out.

[01:00:04] Eldar: And, uh, Portnoy and Taino were smoking weed in the other room. I ran over there, and they're smoking weed. And I'm like, yo, let me get a hit, you know? I got a hit. I got one hit. And Joe knows this shit where this is fucking going. You know what I mean? This is the sickest shit, Josh. I don't know if I told you.

[01:00:19] Eldar: I think I told you this shit, but it's a very funny, funny story. They're smoking weed, and they're smoking one after another like they're potheads. You know what I mean? They can do this shit. Is this your first 

[01:00:27] Tolis: time? 

[01:00:28] Eldar: No, I smoked weed before, but I had a very Funny situation with weed. Sometimes it's really good, sometimes it's really bad.

[01:00:34] Eldar: Okay. And this was one really bad one.

[01:00:40] Eldar: I took one pull, I go, Alright, cool. Soon we're going out soon, right? They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll come back in like 15 20 minutes or whatever. They stay in their room and I go back. Mike is inside, you're inside, Kat's inside, and I'm inside. Oh, I don't remember this. Now I'm inside. Like deep. Yeah. I went to a place where, what the fuck?

[01:00:59] Eldar: Yeah. You know what I mean? Nobody was there. I felt like I was smoking crack with them. That's crazy. You know what I mean? I'm like, whoa. You know? And I get crazy thoughts. Like, I need rescue. 

[01:01:08] Josh: And it happened that 

[01:01:08] Eldar: fast? Yeah. I need a, I need a, I need a fireman, literally Joe, to come in and put out the fire.

[01:01:13] Eldar: You know Like to talk me down or whatever. All right. So I'm freaking out. I tell Kat, and we just met. So she's like, what the fuck is wrong with him? You know what I mean? This is, this is weird. You know? So she feels a certain type of way. I don't know why I didn't go to Mike. I don't know. Maybe he freaked me out or something, whatever.

[01:01:27] Eldar: Because at this moment, everybody freaks you out. You know what I mean? Straight up. Yeah. Wow. So guess what? Been there, done that. Bro, I'm bugging out. And you Right? Rewind one day. Oh my god, I just remembered it all! Yes, you, you, one day before this happened, before I smoke weed, one day, rewind this, right? You meet a sexy girl on the beach.

[01:01:49] Eldar: You remember this, Josh? Yeah, I remember this. And this is how it ties into the Vegas thing. She had her cheeks out, Josh. She had her cheeks out and everything. You did the Superman cape with the towel with me. So you're like, yo. I'm like, yo, she's bad, you know, you're like, yeah, she's bad. I'm about to go talk to her.

[01:02:05] Eldar: I'm like, no, you're not. You're like, yes, I am. Watch you go to her. You start talking your game or whatever. You get her phone number, you know, and she's bad ass for sure. You know, uh, you know, and fast forward that night or whatever. The next day, you're like, yo, I want to talk to her. What I want, I want to, you know, like hang out with her or whatever.

[01:02:22] Eldar: You know, you were messaging and she wasn't answering or something like that. You know, that's the night that I smoked. So and. I'm fucked up. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? And you know where this is headed 

[01:02:33] Mike: or no? No, no. And then, and then I'm like, I'm 

[01:02:36] Eldar: talking or whatever. I'm trying to like distract myself and you sit in there and you're like, Oh man, like I wish you'd call me or whatever.

[01:02:42] Eldar: I'm like, Oh, that sucks or whatever. And then you go, you know what? Give me a moment. You know, I'm like, I look at you like, what the fuck does he want? And you're like, let me concentrate. For what? You know in my head, what the fuck are you concentrating? You know, , you are like, I'm gonna channel her in. I'm like, what?

[01:03:00] Eldar: I'm fucked up. Yeah. Okay. I fucked up. You're gone. Yes. You asked me, you know what? You said, yo e gimme a moment. I, uh, one minute of silence, bro. Yes. Wow. She said, I 

[01:03:12] Josh: put 

[01:03:12] Eldar: you in a, you said, you said you wanted to pray, my man. You said you, I, you said. I'm gonna, I'm gonna reach her. I said, what the fuck? And now in my mind, I'm like, this guy's an idiot.

[01:03:24] Eldar: You know what I mean? What is wrong with you? I said, you know, and I'm sitting there. I'm like, oh shit, but that's my boy. So I got to honor this minute, bro. This minute. Was a lifetime, bro. Yes, I need a drink after this. Bro. Yes, this is the longest minute of your life or what? Bro, I'm sitting there. 

[01:03:46] Josh: You 

[01:03:47] Eldar: close your eyes and you're sitting there in this meditation and I'm like, Yo, I can mess this up.

[01:03:51] Eldar: Josh, our friendship was on the line here. It was it. That was it. Our friendship was on the line. What was going through your head? My man. Okay, go ahead. My man, I was like, what is First of all, I was like, what the fuck? I'm freaking out. Why is he doing this ma magic shit? This madness. Why are you doing this?

[01:04:08] Eldar: You know what I mean? Are you doing this on purpose to me? I knew you did that right? I'm like you're fucking with me Right here. I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? And I know you do this kind of shit now This is what you're about. You know what I mean? 

[01:04:18] Josh: Yes, 

[01:04:19] Eldar: you're like i'ma channel her and like I need one minute And she's gonna call me and i'm like Are you crazy, you know?

[01:04:25] Eldar: Then I was like, I have to do this 'cause I love you, you and my friend. I appreciate that. So I sat there freaking out like a madman. Josh, you was, you was, you was, but you did it. And then she called you back. So let me, thank God when she called you back, I wasn't high anymore. 

[01:04:37] Josh: So let me share you, let me share with you Yeah.

[01:04:40] Josh: What was going on in my head at that time. Right. So, um, I, we, we know we had those. Like these types of conversations, conversations, yeah, 

[01:04:51] Eldar: 100%. 

[01:04:52] Josh: And I was in a space where I'm like, I want to follow Christ, right? I was in that space. I jumped in that space in and out in my younger years where I'm like, I want to follow Christ, but I want to satisfy my own urges.

[01:05:07] Josh: Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah. So at the time when I meet this girl out in Miami, I made a choice. I said, I'm going to follow, I'm going to follow God. 

[01:05:16] Eldar: But, I really like that but. But that, that girl, like that was the urge, 

[01:05:20] Josh: right? So I'm in this battle. And so I said, you know what? So here's the moment. I said, I'm going to do it.

[01:05:28] Josh: How I think God would want me to do it. If I'm gonna get this woman as my wife or whatever it is. Mm-hmm . I'm gonna do it the right way because if I mm-hmm . If I go and schoo and then start, you know, doing the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That wouldn't be God's way. Yeah. So I made, I made a, I made a choice, I made a vow.

[01:05:44] Josh: Yeah. And I said, you know what, I'm gonna talk to God about this. Mm. That's what you were doing. That's what I was doing. That's, and so I pray when you said 

[01:05:51] Mike: that, I was like, he wanted to pray. Now if he told you, if he told us he wanted to pray, I 

[01:05:54] Eldar: wanna talk to God right now, bro. That would have been it. That night, she hits him up, and he goes out with her, and he sends us pictures that he's with her and he's having a good time.

[01:06:03] Eldar: You know what I mean? Prayer, 

[01:06:03] Josh: like, my prayer got answered. Yes! Yes. However it turned out, just was just like, whatever. But I made a choice to follow God that night, and I did nothing with this girl. Yeah, yeah. Because I said, I'm going to follow God. If this happens to be the girl that's going to be my wife, I want it to be done the right way.

[01:06:21] Josh: Yeah. I took that back. Faith, I prayed and God answered. Oh, yeah. So, for me, it taught me something that Mm hmm. I can actually pray to God and things will happen. So, I sure, if you would have told me that you was going through that, I would have prayed that thing. 

[01:06:37] Eldar: I'm gonna tell you right now, in that moment, I was fucking stoned.

[01:06:40] Eldar: But, in that moment, it was a powerful moment because like, Number one, you were doing something for yourself. You believe this shit wholeheartedly. 100%. For the moment, you scared me to believe this shit, you know what I'm saying? But And it worked. It worked. It worked, so I was like, alright. I was playing with you, Josh.

[01:06:56] Eldar: Yeah, motherfuckers. Yeah, cause I was like, alright, I'll ride with Josh. Yeah, you remember this fucking moment? I do remember that, bro. That moment was erased when I also scared Josh, I got into his duffel bag that he brought to the hotel. My skin 

[01:07:09] Josh: tightened when you jumped out. 

[01:07:12] Eldar: He brought a crazy ass, big ass duffel bag to the fucking vacation and I fucking got in it.

[01:07:16] Eldar: Mike closed me and then Josh opened his to get his stuff and I'm in there. Anybody ever get that 

[01:07:21] Speaker 11: kind 

[01:07:21] Josh: of scared? Like where your skin tightens up and you get like cold? That's how scared I was. There's a human inside the bag. That was my first real scare. 

[01:07:30] Harris: That was pretty good. I appreciate that. 

[01:07:31] Eldar: Yeah, so we had some fun.

[01:07:33] Harris: Eldar, I just want to state, you're not alone. I've been that high. That's fucking sad. Why are you gay? That's gay, bro. That is gay. Why are you gay? I've been that 

[01:07:42] Eldar: fucking high. That ain't shit, bro. That's such a small story, bro. I have been high. So high, that's 

[01:07:46] Harris: so crazy. That's what happens when you smoke too much.

[01:07:48] Harris: You get too high and you don't know your limits. Yes. 

[01:07:51] Eldar: Well, I try to find my lim know my limits now. That's why I microdose. 

[01:07:55] Harris: Does 

[01:07:55] Joe: anyone know you high? 

[01:07:57] Eldar: That time? Yeah, yeah, everybody did. I was clueless, bro. He was clueless. He didn't know, cause like, you know, I told Kat, I was like, yo, I'm not feeling so well.

[01:08:04] Eldar: She's like, what happened? I'm like, yo, I took a hit. One hit. 

[01:08:08] Harris: Must've been some 

[01:08:09] Eldar: deep shit. Yeah, well, those guys were real potheads and cokeheads. And then, you know, where he ended up after all that shit, you know. That 

[01:08:16] Josh: was pretty bad. Yeah, it was pretty 

[01:08:17] Eldar: bad. Yeah, it was pretty bad. He went deep and everything.

[01:08:20] Eldar: So, uh, Back to validation. I'm not sure if I was looking for validation there when I spoke that over you. Yeah. Yeah. I was looking for maybe Josh's miracle. Yeah. Uh, Tom, you weren't here, but we're talking about validation. Okay. And I'm gonna bring you quickly up to speed. You know that part where you feel like you need to talk to a celebrity or find a mentor that is very famous when it comes to writing books and stuff like that.

[01:08:47] Eldar: And you feel like there's some kind of like Connection there, or they can teach you something because they're so highly ranked, you know, so yeah We're talking about maybe that those feelings where sometimes you like you need that validation from the someone else the external world, right? And uh, at least our job here or and Josh's job here is to I don't know in the lack of better words It's kind of proof to you that you are enough Proof to you that you are capable.

[01:09:16] Eldar: Proof to you that you have power, um, and you don't need external validation because I think all of us internally, right? I mean, um, this could 

[01:09:26] Speaker 10: be very sneaky, I think, too, because in one way or another, you're 

[01:09:28] Eldar: interrupting me. Give me one second, 

[01:09:29] Speaker 10: man. 

[01:09:33] Eldar: What I'm saying is that, uh, Tommy, is that everybody within us maybe have, um, the connection to God, right?

[01:09:39] Eldar: Or to the truth or to a source, um, that. We don't need to look for external validation, especially when it's distorted, right? And I think that the world a lot of times got it distorted. They got it wrong. Um, so we can empower ourselves and be what it's actually 

[01:09:53] Speaker 10: when what is distorted 

[01:09:55] Eldar: truth, the truth about reality and about ourselves and how we interact 

[01:09:59] Speaker 10: when you can rely on like the infinite source of wisdom or whatever.

[01:10:02] Eldar: Yes. And what we're trying to say is that we have those powers within us. We just need to unlock them. Right? Is what we're trying to do with Harris, what we're trying to do with Cuz, what we're trying to do with whoever, and through this podcast. And ourselves. And ourselves. You know. A hundred percent, yeah.

[01:10:18] Eldar: Um, we're trying to do this by empowering others to be able to think critically. Josh, you have some kind of a 

[01:10:25] Josh: skill. 

[01:10:25] Eldar: Yeah? Yes. You gotta patent that . 

[01:10:29] Josh: What the, 

[01:10:30] Eldar: the silent sneeze you've been holding in your sneezes 

[01:10:32] Joe: for how, how many years 

[01:10:34] Josh: your body? I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm either reversing age or I'm like taking time off

[01:10:41] Josh: I don't know. With these sneezes. Yeah. 

[01:10:44] Speaker 6: Um, um, I'm curious as to like, um, like if Josh is for example, like mentoring others or teaching others, I'm curious as to like. Um, people who don't believe that, that like, you know, it's within themselves or like within their internal, what do you do to tell them that, like, how, how, how do they get to, like, have you gotten people to a point where they do believe in, and what did you say to, uh, Josh has an easy hook.

[01:11:06] Speaker 6: He just 

[01:11:06] Eldar: goes, God, God did it. Yeah, 

[01:11:08] Josh: I 

[01:11:09] Eldar: promise you, you know, so. Elder, thanks, look. Hey, I got a bone to pick cause you stopped those meetings, man. I enjoyed those meetings. Yeah, you did, you did. I didn't lie to them. 

[01:11:18] Josh: Like, you see how you got the lie, the lie, like, I don't. I, you, you, you can appreciate this.

[01:11:24] Josh: Mm-hmm . In person face to face. 

[01:11:26] Eldar: Yeah. Is, yeah. Well, of course. Doesn't that, that's 

[01:11:30] Josh: why I'm doing it. So that's what I need to get on now. Yeah. So I'm, I'm doing it live now, so, okay. I hope you 

[01:11:35] Eldar: are. 

[01:11:35] Josh: I'm doing it live. I'm 

[01:11:36] Eldar: gonna show up. Send me the address. You going, you going, you pulling up? Of course I am 

[01:11:39] Josh: my 

[01:11:40] Eldar: man.

[01:11:40] Eldar: Yeah. I'm calling you bullshit or I'm fucking enjoying myself. No, no. Come, come Sunday. I'll give you the address. It's at different houses nowadays, so. Oh, nice. Like 

[01:11:48] Josh: a house hop. All cool. Alright. So. 

[01:11:51] Eldar: You provide safety and protection, you know 

[01:11:53] Josh: Yeah. 

[01:11:53] Eldar: Mm hmm. 

[01:11:57] Josh: Hey, be nice. Here's the pitch. Here's the pitch. Uh huh.

[01:12:01] Josh: Um, I want you to pretend I'm drawing on a, on a board. Right? So if I meet you, I'll go, hey, how you doing? We'll have, you know, a casual conversation. But now I'm trying to love you better. Right? Stranger, it doesn't matter. I'm just trying to love you. And the way that I love you is asking you questions, telling, you're telling me, you're giving me responses, and 

[01:12:26] Eldar: This is not in a gateway possible because there's some people that might, I would've preferred that.

[01:12:31] Eldar: Fuck you, man. This is a clarification for that side of the room. Oh, fuck you man. Whoa. 

[01:12:35] Mike: Why did you say fuck you right away before anybody settle? It was you, man. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Actually, ley did say O Harris. Oh, 

[01:12:42] Speaker 3: hot. 

[01:12:43] Mike: Sorry, Josh. Go. No, this is hilarious. . So 

[01:12:46] Josh: like. I'll, I'll, I'll share my story, right? I'll share my, my personal story.

[01:12:51] Josh: And I got like tons of them, right? Everybody has tons of them, but sometimes when people who don't have this truth in them or don't see the truth that's out there for them. I, I share my story. Right? So I'll say something like, you know, there was a time in my life where I was feeling inadequate, right? I didn't, I didn't feel smart enough and I tried different things to appear smart.

[01:13:23] Josh: You know, the, the, 

[01:13:24] Eldar: the, 

[01:13:26] Josh: the distortedness of a distorted truth. Everybody can relate to that, right? We've all tried to, uh, uphold this fake truth. But for me, that pivotal point was when I chose to follow, like, Jesus. Now, whether you believe in Jesus or not, like me, I'm gonna, I'm gonna share that because The evidence points to Jesus being that guy.

[01:13:52] Josh: Yeah, like no matter how you spin it historically. He's that guy What 

[01:13:57] Speaker 6: does it mean to follow? 

[01:13:59] Josh: I love the question, right? So for me, it's the consistent willingness to Surrender your life and stop doing what you think is gonna be pleasing to self and like self edifying to serve someone else Right. And so I'll share that story and say when I started following him, right, cause he's probably the best moral example that I know of historically.

[01:14:27] Josh: That did service sacrificially, I said, all right, I'm gonna follow him was trying. I was a coward, right? I couldn't face. I didn't have the accountability to point at myself and be like, uh, whatever I was just wanting to seem smart. And so there was a point in my life where I tried to seem smart. I was a liar for lack of better words, but then I decided to follow Christ and that moment, that moment in time.

[01:14:56] Josh: Was the pivotal point for me and meeting who Jesus was face to face in that in that encounter Showed me truth and you can feel face to face. You can see feelings like The testimony in of itself and I think when you're in such a dark place And light is shown, that light means something to you. It not only gives you a, it gives you better vision, but it gives you warmth, it gives all of that, and you want that.

[01:15:31] Josh: And for you, that, now, you've been introduced to truth. So now they're open to it. 

[01:15:37] Eldar: Why'd you use the word love to describe this phenomenon? You said, I show love. 

[01:15:43] Josh: Because Jesus showed love. Hmm. Like, he, it literally said. What 

[01:15:48] Eldar: does that 

[01:15:49] Josh: look like? What does it look like? Are you asking me to, like, quantify it, or are you just 

[01:15:53] Eldar: No, I want you to give me an example of, like, what your love looks like when you're giving it to the other individual.

[01:16:01] Josh: Uh, and I'm gonna just, uh, I gotta not say names, right? So, uh, I'm I'm at work. And this guy, Harris. 

[01:16:09] Eldar: Ooh, Harris, ooh, Harris. No, no.

[01:16:15] Josh: We love you. 

[01:16:17] Harris: That's funny, 

[01:16:17] Josh: you're fine. That is funny. That's kind of gay, too, but. So I'm at work and I'm like, you know, I'm about to go take lunch. I go take lunch. And most people, when they go take lunch, they don't want to be bothered. So they do whatever, right? There's a woman, 

[01:16:31] Eldar: which is a weird phenomenon.

[01:16:32] Josh: Yeah. 

[01:16:32] Eldar: Okay. 

[01:16:33] Josh: Yeah, it's almost like saying good morning to people nowadays in New York, but I have to do it. Um, the woman came by and she said something to me and obviously she wasn't operating 100%. You could tell just the demographic that I, that I'm surrounded by, um, whether in work, out of work, it's just people are going through a rough time.

[01:16:58] Josh: And she mentioned she's going through a lot. You know, the New York motto, I don't want to hear what you got to say, I got to go, I got my own thing. Yeah. You said, how does love look? Yeah. I sat down and talked to her. 

[01:17:14] Josh: Mm. 

[01:17:16] Josh: Why? I could have just brushed her off. 

[01:17:18] Josh: Yeah. 

[01:17:19] Josh: But I sat down and crackhead or whatever.

[01:17:20] Josh: Yeah, whatever she was or whatever. 

[01:17:22] Josh: Yeah. 

[01:17:22] Josh: But I sat down and talked to her. 

[01:17:26] Josh: She cried in minutes. Mm hmm. And I'm like.

[01:17:33] Josh: Okay. 

[01:17:35] Josh: For me, right? If you're not spiritual, but for me, I feel like the Holy Spirit would be like, Hey, this person needs your love. Hug them, share with them, talk to them. I submit to serve them in that moment. Now that might do something. It may not, it may carry over. It may be somebody else's torch to, to, you know, it says, uh, somebody plants another person waters.

[01:18:04] Josh: But God gives the increase when you say what does love look like? I don't know that was 

[01:18:09] Eldar: that was a I think that was a perfect example of them. Yeah, that was very nice. Thank you 

[01:18:14] Speaker 6: That's why in the Peaceful warrior sucks as there's no higher purpose in service Service to others. Yeah, 

[01:18:20] Eldar: and I think that was a very good example of describing that which is I think I personally think can cure The world, you know, and we obviously do it in a very small scale But nonetheless, you know, we're doing it.

[01:18:34] Eldar: We're doing it. Yeah. Which is awesome. Harris. Yeah. Alright, you can show your nips now.

[01:18:44] Eldar: Listen, we have to dilute it a little bit with Tom, you got hard because of that? I said that? What the fuck? It's how excited he 

[01:18:53] Harris: got, bro. 

[01:18:54] Eldar: Woah, woah, woah. So how's the vibe feel now Josh? It's a real podcast. I love it like this This you realize you've been missing out or what five years of missing out. Yeah This is terrible.

[01:19:04] Eldar: You got up. You got a pop pop in you know, 

[01:19:06] Josh: yeah, 

[01:19:07] Eldar: Joe 

[01:19:07] Josh: been 

[01:19:08] Eldar: popping in 

[01:19:09] Josh: I ain't gonna hold you I might You know, just, I might retire playing basketball for real, cause you know, I'm still doing it? 

[01:19:17] Tolis: Wow, Josh. 

[01:19:18] Josh: That's honest. You 

[01:19:19] Tolis: know what's funny? Like, 

[01:19:20] Josh: a 

[01:19:20] Eldar: young boy, probably like 18. Bro, we're 40 years old, my man. I know.

[01:19:25] Eldar: But you know what? You know what the problem is? The 40 plus the competitive spirit is a bad thing. My hips hurt, my knees hurt, but like yo, when these bums talking shit I'm ready. Oh. You know what 

[01:19:36] Josh: I mean? Like, it seemed like that was, that was your ibuprofen. Yeah, I'm ready. They're trash talking. Yeah, let's talk.

[01:19:42] Josh: I'm gonna, I'm gonna take this ibuprofen. You're gonna get this work. Yes, you're gonna learn today. 

[01:19:47] Mike: You're gonna learn 

[01:19:47] Josh: today, yeah. My knees gonna act up after, but. This young kid, let me tell you what the young kid said today. Like, and I appreciate his honesty. He like, yeah, um, I wanna, um, I wanna play, you know, college ball.

[01:20:03] Josh: Now, mind you, I just walked in the gym. It's my lunch break. So I know I'm not only gonna stay there about 40 minutes. I walk in and look like he is like just getting started You know, he got like the trickle baby sweats on his face. I see him shooting. He got a decent form. I'm like, all right, cool I didn't even like lace up my sneakers yet, and he's packing it up and he's like, yo, you're a coach and I'm like Nah, not really.

[01:20:30] Josh: I just, you know, I just play the game. I, I can probably teach you something. But I'm not really that guy. He was like, yeah, cause I'm, I'm trying to, you know, go and play college ball. I'm like, just a word of advice, because I've been there. Yeah. If you really want to play, this is what it's going to take. And I just laid him a simple blueprint.

[01:20:54] Josh: You gotta do 20 suicides in 20 minutes. And because you're a point guard, each suicide has to be done in under 30 seconds. He's like, you know, that youthful pride. Oh, I think I could do that. I'm like, well, look, you want to test it out now? He's like, yeah, all right, cool. I timed them. He, he, he did it pretty good.

[01:21:14] Josh: Now, mind you, it's a short court, but I give him, I salute him because he, he attempted it. He made the suicide, the whole suicide, in 25. 6 seconds. I'm like, that's good. I was like, all right, cool. And you got about 35 more seconds. So. On the minute, every minute on the minute, you got to do a suicide. I was like, you ready to go?

[01:21:34] Josh: Cause you're like 15 seconds. He's like, I'm like, that's the warmup before you even do the tryout. Are you ready? He's like, nah, I don't even think I'll do it. I was like, all right, cool. So now, you know, it's ahead of you. That's your bar. Yeah. If you really want to do this, you 20 suicides in 20 minutes, every minute on the minute and as a guard under 30 seconds.

[01:22:00] Joe: That's interesting. 

[01:22:01] Josh: Yeah. 

[01:22:02] Joe: Brought his ass down to reality. 

[01:22:05] Josh: Chameleon. That's a 

[01:22:06] Joe: quick, quick route. 

[01:22:07] Josh: Like, and you know, the trash talking is still there. So I was like, you know, I'm, I'm like, yo, I salute you for even trying to make an attempt cause so that you have some kind of thing, but me and you, if we played.

[01:22:21] Josh: I'll probably leave you under five, and I'm rusty. Yeah. So, you know, another cool little interaction. But we ended up exchanging numbers, and if he, if he actually evaluates it, and says, hey, I want to do it, then we can, we can get something done. Yeah. Yeah, meet up. 

[01:22:39] Eldar: Regarding basketball, I'll say it real quick.

[01:22:41] Eldar: Yeah. You were a lot better defender than enough. Offensive player 100% by a thousand times. If you focus on your defensive game as much as you focus on the offensive game, you probably would be like that guy Beardsley or whatever. Beasley Beasley or whatever. Yeah. Like you will be the defensive guy, but I don't think you ever look was Beard.

[01:22:59] Eldar: That's what's amazing. Beasley or whatever. Beasley, who's Beasley, he knows what I'm talking 

[01:23:03] Josh: about. You know, you know what's funny, like, 

[01:23:06] Eldar: like the pesty defensive players, but they don't have really offensive game. I am that 

[01:23:10] Josh: guy. Dennis Rod style. Yes. I'm, I'm, I'm still that guy at heart. I think because of where I wanted to be as a basketball player you wanted the highlight reel the defense Yes, but the defensive guy wasn't enough for me.

[01:23:25] Josh: I know I know and that's an egotistical thing Jump 

[01:23:30] Speaker 6: shot. I was like, yo, what is he doing? Yeah. Yes. Yes. He's trying to solve a mess It was so it was so mechanical. Yeah, it was so it was never natural. Yes, but he was shut People 

[01:23:41] Josh: down. Yeah. Yeah. You couldn't get past me. Yeah. And I share people that story all the time.

[01:23:45] Josh: Yeah. Now, and, and here's the funny thing, now they look at me like I'm the offensive guy. I'm like, I'm the offensive guy. Yeah. Because you're smarter. I locked you up. Yeah. I say, you wanna see your offensive guy? Let me call my man totally E right now. Mm-hmm . Yes. I'll show you where offensive we are.

[01:23:57] Josh: Offensive players. 

[01:23:58] Eldar: Yes. Like it's a completely different game. It's a completely 

[01:24:00] Joe: different game. And you don get fans. Don't get to love. That's right. That's what 

[01:24:06] Eldar: it is. The stars are not on defense. No, 

[01:24:08] Speaker 6: but, but al also, everything about the game, it's like the same thing like in like in football, right? Like the, uh, promotion of offense is what sells.

[01:24:16] Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. Nobody wants defense. 'cause defense sells less. No, no one's like sells less. Oh, seal. It just sells less. Yeah. Yeah. It sells less. People wanna see high scoring game, three pointers, touchdowns. They don't want the quarterback to get injured. That's why you can't hit them. Un. 

[01:24:30] Josh: Unless, unless. You know, you get, you get on defense, like people want to see those sometimes, like they do want to see those, but 

[01:24:38] Speaker 6: yeah, but like mainly in all sports, like, you know, baseball, you want what more home runs.

[01:24:42] Speaker 6: That's why they, they change the ball for, for that's 

[01:24:45] Josh: why, that's why, that's why the NBA basketball game is looking terrible, bro. Did you see the all star game? Bro, no, I mean, but I see what's going on on like, you know, even a dunk contest, like what's going on? Why is anybody scoring over a hundred plus points?

[01:25:00] Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, a hundred people are scoring 150 now. Yeah, but these are 

[01:25:05] Josh: like regular games. 

[01:25:06] Speaker 6: No, no, yeah, no, regular game is 140. Like, what's 

[01:25:08] Josh: happening? Nobody's playing deep. Yeah. So, in light of the My original skillset. Basketball, I could still lock you up, but I want to have a overall balanced game. So I added the offense and I'm like, Hmm, I could, you're 

[01:25:26] Eldar: 40 years old.

[01:25:27] Eldar: That's it enough. I I can do it. Drop it. I, LeBron 40, he got 

[01:25:30] Josh: that, you know, LeBron sauce? Yeah. Stop it. Oh, 

[01:25:32] Eldar: wait. 

[01:25:32] Josh: Garbage. Mm-hmm . 

[01:25:35] Josh: Wait, 

[01:25:35] Josh: I don't even look. He's not my favorite player. Physically is good, but. 

[01:25:39] Eldar: You 

[01:25:39] Josh: know, when it comes to 

[01:25:41] Eldar: character, 

[01:25:42] Josh: I was just talking about him on the basketball court as an offensive player.

[01:25:47] Josh: He's, he's, he's not that guy. He's not clutch. He's not Colby. He's not George. No, no, no. As a offensive player. I didn't say as a clutch player. Yeah. Offensive player. He's got it. 

[01:25:56] Eldar: Oh, I mean offensive, but I think there's 90 percent clutch. He's in a clutch. Like huge. Like drama play when someone, uh, Yeah.

[01:26:03] Eldar: Flopping. Yeah. He's a great actor. Look, 

[01:26:06] Joe: all of that 

[01:26:06] Eldar: flopping. Preserved his body to be still 40. I'm gonna tie it all into, listen, I'm gonna tie it all into the topic. The fact that LeBron James is still looking for validation. Yeah, bro, he's lost. I don't really, I don't really follow 

[01:26:19] Josh: him, so I don't know.

[01:26:20] Josh: Yeah, is it, is it, uh, 

[01:26:22] Mike: is it a fact, is it true that anytime that you're being deceitful, are you always looking for like a validation? Yes. That's a 

[01:26:28] Eldar: very good question. Yes. I think it is. I like that. Yeah. 

[01:26:32] Mike: Cause he's 

[01:26:32] Eldar: a 

[01:26:32] Mike: liar. 

[01:26:33] Eldar: Yeah. Liar. He's a liar, that guy. Yeah. He's a liar. He's an 

[01:26:37] Mike: actor. Yeah. Every time he gets faked, I think, I think Harris 

[01:26:40] Josh: is upset with LeBron James.

[01:26:42] Josh: No, we're, 

[01:26:42] Eldar: we love LeBron James. No. No, but he's like, wait, I'm a liar? Are you calling me a liar now that I'm seeking for validation? Uh, yes. 

[01:26:51] Mike: That was a question, but a statement in the same. But I think, uh, yeah, that's the question I had. Like, 

[01:26:57] Josh: that's 

[01:26:57] Mike: a 

[01:26:58] Josh: profound question. And I, I, I would agree to that. You know, I would agree to it.

[01:27:03] Josh: Yeah. 

[01:27:04] Speaker 10: I think the story about the kid. 

[01:27:05] Josh: Mm 

[01:27:05] Speaker 10: hmm. You know, play college basketball. Yeah, it to me. It's it's a it's an interesting example because You think typically about sports is having a passion for that sport But it also sounds like a kid who who's looking for validation for his passion You know, like can you like validate me in terms of being a ballplayer and the advice that's received is like well you you know Here's here's what you're gonna have to do Just get your foot in the door, you know, like can you do can you do this and I don't know It's just it sort of starts small and then it opens up into something bigger to basically like, you know Where we talk about things like, you know, Josh is a better defender than he is Offensive, but that does that run through your mind when you think basketball is my passion 

[01:27:57] Josh: Not necessary, but in this sense, I like basketball because it's fun Why is it fun me and Tony you talking about earlier?

[01:28:07] Josh: There were moments in my life that I actually did small things, and I wasn't content with just, like, holding the basketball. Now I wanted to dribble it, and I wanted to dribble it well, right? And I think part of my success in anything was, if I do something, I want to do it. Well, I want to do it well, and so maybe call it an obsession.

[01:28:38] Josh: Some people are gifted and don't need the obsession. They just grab it and just dunk Eldar, right? And just do it. Oh yeah, I practice a lot. Yeah, I think 

[01:28:46] Speaker 10: it comes naturally to you, Eldar. 

[01:28:47] Josh: No, he actually, y'all don't, y'all don't, y'all, y'all, y'all wasn't around for 6th, 7th, and 8th, 9th grade where Eldar was at the monkey bars.

[01:28:55] Josh: Jumping, dunking, like. That, that, that thing you gave me, touch the highest thing you can. Yeah. That actually got me dunking just before I twisted my ankle. Hmm. I was doing that the whole summer. Yeah. Last year, the whole summer. Yeah. By July, I caught one. Yeah. 

[01:29:10] Eldar: I'm like, 

[01:29:11] Josh: oh, 

[01:29:12] Josh: I'm hyped now. Yeah. So, but. You always had cinder blocks on your feet.

[01:29:16] Josh: I still got 

[01:29:16] Josh: them. I still got them. 

[01:29:18] Josh: Yeah, they don't work like that. They don't work like, but like consistent. Yeah. Consistency, doing those mundane things all the time, whether you want to do it or not. I think would be, 

[01:29:31] Eldar: but that's the thing. I think at the end of the day, Josh, I don't think they get you to the place where you want to be.

[01:29:35] Eldar: Right. Because like I've gotten to a place of dunking, not because I consistently was doing it. No, I was consistently doing it because I wanted to do it. Yeah. I think they go one in the same. No, some people, I think that they push or force the thing. Yes, they might get there. Mm-hmm . But not necessarily will extract the same type of happiness as I would if I actually wanted to do it.

[01:29:59] Eldar: You know what I'm saying? I was maybe doing it. Go 

[01:30:01] Josh: again. Go again. 

[01:30:02] Eldar: I was maybe doing it for more of organic reason of like I wanted to do, I wasn't trying to like, it was doing it for like a challenging yourself. Yeah. Challenging myself versus to others, you know? Me too. Versus like, yeah. Like that's why I wanted 

[01:30:13] Josh: to dunk.

[01:30:13] Josh: I was doing it. 'cause I, it's a self challenge thing. 

[01:30:16] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. 

[01:30:17] Josh: But 

[01:30:17] Eldar: what I'm saying is that it was just coming very naturally to me where I wasn't practicing it. I always found you to be practicing it. You know what I'm saying? So let me, let me say I never practiced Josh. 

[01:30:27] Josh: Right. I just 

[01:30:28] Eldar: fucked around. 

[01:30:29] Josh: Right.

[01:30:29] Josh: So let me, let me, let me say it this way. Because we're biologically different. Yeah. You were You could, you could do a pushup. Yeah. And get like super muscles. Yeah. I don't care for muscles, but I want to do a push up. And so, for me, just biologically, for me to get the super muscles, I'm gonna need more push ups.

[01:30:53] Josh: But it's not like I'm like Not doing the push ups. You did a push up. I did a push up. We both practiced it It's just your idea practice was I'm gonna just do it just for giggles 

[01:31:04] Eldar: But I think that the success lies in the fact that like if you if we found out That the perfect body for dunking was my body.

[01:31:11] Eldar: It is. Okay. It 

[01:31:12] Josh: is. All right, cool Let's put it put that on the record. You already found that out. I did it Okay, 

[01:31:17] Eldar: and you have a perfect body to stay stationary and play defense and be low to the ground. Mm hmm, right? Wasting time to try and the dunk for you is a waste of time and for me to play stationary defense is also a waste of time because my body as it's supposed to look or whatever is supposed to jump up and your body is supposed to be low to the ground.

[01:31:38] Josh: Yeah. 

[01:31:38] Eldar: And that's a, that's two separate skills that require very specific things to accomplish very specific things. 

[01:31:44] Josh: Right. So 

[01:31:45] Eldar: for you to waste time on jumping and for me to waste time on being low, it's a waste of time. 

[01:31:50] Josh: Now. But we're 

[01:31:51] Eldar: not taught this but what if you don't like you said yo, I got flat feet I knew you that you have flat feet for a very long time, right?

[01:31:58] Eldar: You're like, yo, where'd you get these arches? I mean, I was born this way. Like I didn't get them. You know what I mean? I don't got those flat feet and I got the arches Apparently it's supposed to be good for jumping and yours supposed to be stationary. It's like a known thing, right? But but you wanted to defy gravity 

[01:32:17] Josh: You know what I'm saying?

[01:32:18] Josh: Yes. I, I, I like the idea of dunking. I like the idea of for sure everybody does. For sure. Kids like that. I grow 

[01:32:23] Joe: up with, with the, with the superstars dunking. That's you like dunking, so 

[01:32:27] Josh: Yeah, I get it. The aim is to dunk whether it's effing around like you would say it. Yeah. Or if it's just practice. Like mine's was just a more determined focus versus yours was just like a more playful determination.

[01:32:43] Josh: Right. 

[01:32:43] Eldar: Where I think that if you fucked around more on the defensive side, you would have extracted a lot more happiness. And probably could 

[01:32:49] Josh: have dunked sooner, because you know, that skill set is different. 

[01:32:51] Eldar: Yeah, you probably, yeah, you probably like, yeah, you probably let go of some of the stuff. Yeah, for sure.

[01:32:55] Eldar: What I'm saying is that like, if what came naturally to you, if you pursued that, you'd probably be more happy in that specific area where you could have a lot more fun doing that, which you're maybe like, We're predisposed to is what I'm saying. I think Socrates talks about this where like if you were born a mechanic You shouldn't be a doctor.

[01:33:11] Eldar: You should be fixing cars, right? 

[01:33:14] Josh: When he's when he says something similar to that 

[01:33:17] Eldar: Yeah, 

[01:33:18] Josh: would it negate that this quote natural born mechanic wouldn't have been the best doctor if he didn't pursue it. Correct 

[01:33:26] Joe: Can't pursue everything all at once. No, 

[01:33:28] Josh: what I'm saying is He actually became a doctor. The mechanic.

[01:33:32] Josh: Yeah, and he was bad. He was the best doctor. 

[01:33:34] Eldar: Impossible, he says. 

[01:33:35] Josh: Oh, he says impossible. Yeah. You believe him? 

[01:33:39] Eldar: Yeah, I do. I do. I think that forcing anything, and that goes against love, fundamentally, to force something, Is to introduce pain and when you introduce pain, it's not love and if it's not love It's not natural and therefore you don't the first statement 

[01:33:58] Josh: I can I can agree with that love Yes, but now when you said pain is not love.

[01:34:03] Josh: I don't know 

[01:34:04] Eldar: Well, there you go. I think that's where maybe we, me, me, you fundamentally differ. I don't know. No, 

[01:34:08] Josh: that's why I disagree. I said, I don't know. That's 

[01:34:10] Speaker 6: why I think also work ethic has, has, um, a hand in it, right? If you do it out of love, you don't need work ethic. You don't need like, there's no word lazy.

[01:34:20] Speaker 6: There's no like, 

[01:34:21] Josh: work or like, why are we putting my man through all this, this love? Cool. 

[01:34:27] Eldar: Very good question because if for him, it's not you're ready. You're ready. Why are you here 

[01:34:34] Josh: for the free beer? 

[01:34:35] Eldar: He's saying why why are you here? He's saying he's saying this if this is painful for you. Why are you here?

[01:34:42] Eldar: Is it do you want to be here or not? Give me a testimony?

[01:34:52] Speaker 6: He asked you, why are you here? Cause Josh is like, yo, if you, if you not cut out for this, for example, or, or, or like, if this is bringing you pain, right? Why are you, why are you here? 

[01:35:05] Harris: You got crispy. Because I'm trying to change my life. First of all, you know, 

[01:35:11] Josh: that's a good response. I'm 

[01:35:13] Harris: trying to change my life.

[01:35:14] Josh: It's going to be painful though. So just be prepared. I'm going through the 

[01:35:18] Harris: pain, I'm sticking here, I'm still here, you know. 

[01:35:20] Josh: Right, so when, when Eldar says things like, um, If it's pain, it's not love. 

[01:35:25] Mike: Is it, is it painful if you perceive it as pain? Or is it painful if you, if you see it for what it is, is it still painful?

[01:35:32] Josh: So I guess that goes back to your earlier statement about you saying everything is nothing and nothing is everything. It's In the eye of the beholder, but he's gonna go through some 

[01:35:41] Mike: pain. The truth 

[01:35:42] Josh: is he's gonna go through some pain because he built 

[01:35:46] Mike: this. Is that because of his own ignorances or is that because of reality?

[01:35:49] Josh: He, he, his own ignorance, when you say ignorance you're meaning he willingly chose to seek deception. That he thought was wrong. 

[01:35:59] Mike: No one only does wrong is also another thing that Socrates says. You disagree. You're a religious fellow. I've always been on that side of Josh with that one. Yeah, Joe and Josh riding.

[01:36:10] Mike: Joe's been waiting since the last podcast. For somebody to ride with him. Joe's been 

[01:36:15] Eldar: secretly Joe's been secretly attending Josh's Sunday meeting. 

[01:36:20] Mike: Now we were here once before, we were in this time. Discipline. We went deep into it. Discipline. Yeah. You know what I gotta 

[01:36:26] Speaker 10: say? I gotta say something about that.

[01:36:27] Speaker 10: Okay. Eldar basically saved my life with that, with that phrase. 

[01:36:31] Joe: Of course. Cause it's easy to start to fall on like that. No, no, 

[01:36:35] Speaker 10: I mean, I think I can easily 

[01:36:36] Joe: shift the blame. Socrates, 

[01:36:39] Speaker 10: remember this is that he never wrote anything down. And then he always believed that like talking to things, neither did Jesus inquiry was like the way, the way to like, you know, examination, uh, was like the way to.

[01:36:52] Speaker 10: Arrive, uh, arrive at truth like he claimed, you know, an examined wife is not worth living. Yeah, he claimed totally fair quote I mean, it's not that important but I think like, you know when he uh, when uh in the apology When they accuse him of corrupting the youth and everything Um, and they're they're like, you know, just admit to it and we'll you know come to terms with you.

[01:37:14] Speaker 10: Uh, yeah, we'll let you go Admit that you know this and he says, I know nothing like I would rather, you know, I would rather, you know, enjoy my last moments and like reflect on, on my life than to admit to something that like goes against my values or something. 

[01:37:27] Joe: Yeah. He's standing on his principles and his truth, but it doesn't, well, we were just talking about is, uh, no one, no one knowingly does.

[01:37:36] Speaker 10: Yes. Well, let me get to the point. Well, when, when, when Mike saw me one day. Town. We, we had met, saw once or twice. I know you talking about it was the worst time you met him. Met how get here we met once or twice. I was at an all time low. I was, I was just, I was really at, at my worst and um, and I had no How old were you to friends?

[01:37:56] Speaker 10: I was 20, 22, I think I was 22. And, um. You know, I was on probation and really my life was a very, very close to, you know, like I was very close to being homeless and getting kicked out of my house because of my behavior. And, you know, I had no one at this point in my mentally, my mental health was like shot.

[01:38:18] Speaker 10: Um, and my problem was that I was always like, um, I was always self pitying over the last few years, you know, I was unable to escape this cycle that I was in. And, um, And, you know, I was kind of stuck in this very dark place. Mike sees me and he remembers me from high school. It's been years since I've seen him.

[01:38:40] Speaker 10: And he goes, I want to introduce you to someone. And for me, it was like, I freaked out because, you know, I've been in a lot of trouble and I don't know, I don't know what to expect from some strangers, you know? Right, especially Mike being the new stranger. It could be anything. In my mind, it could be anything.

[01:38:54] Speaker 10: And I just want to avoid trouble altogether. And, uh, and Eldar meets me and he's just You know, full of energy. He's he speaks very directly. He's very blunt shakes my hand or whatever. Maybe we don't but he's like, you know, what's your name? And um, and you know, and and suddenly I'm just telling the truth.

[01:39:13] Speaker 10: I'm explaining. I feel compelled to tell this guy Mike's off He's left. He's gone to like some other some other guys. 

[01:39:20] Mike: I just make the deals man. You guys 

[01:39:23] Speaker 10: Suddenly I feel compelled to tell the truth to this stranger and Uh, you know, I'm telling about like, you know, things that happened years ago and you know, how my life is like, you know, is that my worst?

[01:39:33] Speaker 10: I'm doing heroin, blah, blah, blah. And he goes, I'll never forget this. He goes, well, listen, is what you're doing causing, causing you suffering? And I was like, eh, you know, I was kind of wavering and he was like, well, and I said, yeah, he's like, so if you're doing, if, if it's causing you suffering, why are you doing it?

[01:39:56] Speaker 10: But when he said this thing about Socrates and he goes, You know, this philosopher, he said that no one knowingly does, does wrong. I discovered a potential truth that was like beyond myself. Like I saw that here are these guys in town who are like, who are caring, you know, Um, and, and I felt like something, it transcended that moment, you know, it, it allowed me to sort of go to a place in my mind where I was like, wait, I could do something to help myself.

[01:40:31] Speaker 10: You know, I, uh, this may not happen right now. I am aware of it. It may not happen today and you know, over the, you know, if, if I didn't walk past that clock tower that night, if Mike didn't say hello to me, he didn't say, come meet this guy. And I didn't hear this. I don't think like. You know, I, it's very hard to tell, but I didn't have much prospects.

[01:40:52] Speaker 10: Like I didn't have much in, in the way of my future at that time. You know, I was like, I was going nowhere, uh, no college, no job. And my dad lost his job during the recession and like had no car. I, you know, so my, my life went like downhill very fast and it was just a dark, dark place, but. When I thought about this, I was like, wait a second, like here's somebody who's like kind to me telling me do this, read some books, you know, like do things that don't cause you suffering that made me think, you know, um, made me think like I could have a second chance.

[01:41:28] Speaker 10: That's kind of what I think what Socrates is saying. And it's like, sure, it's very particular. He doesn't maybe, uh, he doesn't, uh, maybe he's not a proponent of like, uh, liberal. the liberal life, like where you can learn all kinds of things and maybe you can, or maybe he is, but you know, yeah, he talks about an ideal world, right?

[01:41:46] Speaker 10: Like, what would this ideal world look like if you, you, you, you, you were all elites in your fields? You know, we live in a perfect 

[01:41:52] Eldar: world. Thank you Tom for that testimony. That's very good. Uh, I maybe I heard it, but it all whenever you say it, it feels nice. See cause I'm fucking the man

[01:42:08] Eldar: You know what josh but I got a bone to pick let's say anytime right we idolize and you know We idolize some of these motherfuckers, you know, like socrates and anastasia whoever right? You got a problem with that Because it ain't your boy, Jesus, my man, you know what I'm saying? And I got crazy respect for Jesus, right?

[01:42:28] Eldar: I think he was that guy. Nonetheless, I think that Socrates was that guy too. And Buddha was that guy too. And whoever the prophet is, right? And I haven't studied all of them. Who's the prophet? The prophets. Oh, Muhammad. Moisha, Moses, you know what I'm talking about. Mohammed's not a prophet. Alright, fine, fine.

[01:42:47] Eldar: I'm not going to argue with that. The general, uh, understanding of these people are the prophets, right? Like, if they said truths and stuff, it sounds like they knew what the fuck they're talking about, right? If it led back to love. Right, and I think a lot of them right what he just said led back to love right if Socrates You know Allowed me to do the right thing and and be compassionate to Tom at that moment, right?

[01:43:10] Eldar: And he felt a certain type of way and change his life I think it was maybe rooted in love, you know what I mean? And being Jesus coined it or Socrates it doesn't really matter if it's the universe or whoever a spirit I think you keep coming back to you for some reason though like the identity of mr.

[01:43:25] Eldar: Jesus. What the fuck? like so Why is he the only one? 

[01:43:30] Josh: That's my question. He's the only one that claimed to be the only one. Everybody else is pointing at him. Okay, fine. But like, why? Come on, wait, wait. Don't do it. Why are you going to fight for it though? Why are you going to fight for it though? You've always fight it.

[01:43:44] Josh: But you're going to, you're going to just skip over it. I'm not. Okay, fine. Everybody is pointing to him. Everybody's pointing to him. Okay. And he's the only one pointing to himself. 

[01:43:54] Eldar: But my thing is You know what? I'm going to argue that. I'm not sure if he ever pointed at himself. 

[01:43:58] Josh: Yeah, I am the way, I am the truth, I am the life.

[01:44:02] Josh: But no man, not even Socrates, comes to the Father but through me. 

[01:44:08] Eldar: Well, maybe that's why I don't fuck with him that much. 

[01:44:11] Mike: But go ahead Mike, sorry. No, I was gonna say that I fuck with him hard. These, these, these, like, these people, these prophets, they're just a manifestation of the truth in a human form. So that's why I don't think that's like, uh Wait, wait, 

[01:44:24] Josh: why do you, why do you say that?

[01:44:25] Josh: Because that, that sounds Because the 

[01:44:26] Mike: truth is not a human thing. The truth is something that is like, just the truth. It's like Got it. That's what Jesus is. He's literally being bought into but he, but so was Socrates. No. But, but, but not because of anything special. And all these prophets is because they are able to tap into that.

[01:44:43] Mike: Well, he would 

[01:44:44] Eldar: probably argue that he was not only tapped into it, he was always it. Jesus. Yeah, where Socrates had a very specific thing where he's like, listen, I know that I know nothing. Right? It was a contradiction to almost that, but the thing is. 

[01:44:58] Josh: And Mike, and just to add to what you said, Socrates, when I, when I dive more into him and when I'm reading his stuff.

[01:45:05] Josh: It was a pig. He sounds like 

[01:45:07] Josh: I mean Nah. It was a local pig. Whoa, whoa. Harris, calm down. 

[01:45:11] Josh: Let's look at the morality of it. But he sounds like the prophets, right? He sounds like the Apostle Paul. He just sounds like just the average guy who was given an inkling of wisdom, like maybe some special proverbs about That might sound appeasing to the ear when you're down on your luck, you'll grab on to anything.

[01:45:34] Eldar: Yes. 

[01:45:35] Josh: But, Agreed. Thing that you're grabbing on to, if it's not truth from the source, Yeah. Then, you may crumble, Yes. Or the argument itself is, it will crumble itself. But nonetheless, you have to be 

[01:45:49] Eldar: fair to examine that which is being said, Josh. 

[01:45:51] Josh: You're right. 

[01:45:52] Eldar: Because, Just, just like Jesus, right, if he knew his shit, if he was able to pass, okay, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine.

[01:46:02] Eldar: If he does, right, then he passed it on, right, to people, and that's what it was intended to do, correct? He intended to do that. So if those individuals who understood him and able to comprehend it and then pass it on, It's an embodiment of that for that moment, so there's nothing wrong with it. I, I didn't, I didn't disagree with that statement.

[01:46:24] Eldar: Okay, fine. But certain things, yes, they might have gotten wrong, and because it's not the source, yes, you might get a distorted view of it. Fine. That's only, this only works if Jesus is the embodiment of all truth and no truth and nothing but the truth. 

[01:46:37] Josh: That's, that's, that's, that's. That's the Bible in a nutshell.

[01:46:40] Josh: But 

[01:46:40] Eldar: yeah, but then you win the argument, for sure. But, but why, why does he have to win the argument? No, no, no, because a lot of times, I came to those fucking Bible studies, Josh, and I got a lot of problems. I got a bone to pick with a lot of fucking arguments. Right, 

[01:46:52] Josh: and Elder, I'm, I'm not saying that I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm the source.

[01:46:56] Josh: No, no, no, no. I'm like, I'm like, I'm gonna tell you 

[01:46:57] Eldar: right now, my argument is with the linguistics of the Bible. Right. What I think that is, that individual So maybe 

[01:47:04] Josh: you should invest in polishing up your linguistics. Me? Oh, shit. Fine. No, no, no, no. Self improvement. We do a self improvement, right? No, no, no.

[01:47:13] Josh: What I'm saying is that 

[01:47:14] Eldar: the individual who actually wrote the BibleI hope you don't think that Jesus wrote the Bible. No, no. 

[01:47:18] Josh: The Holy Spirit did that through people. And there is no inaccuracies. 

[01:47:24] Eldar: Okay. I'm attending these things again, make them fucking available on zoom again, at least for me. So I can put holes in all your arguments.

[01:47:32] Eldar: It's not my argument. So you can put them 

[01:47:33] Josh: whole, you can 

[01:47:35] Speaker 6: go as well. You know, it's going to be over for them. 

[01:47:36] Josh: Well, of course I've been attending. You guys, you're not attacking me. Yeah, you would be attacking the source. So if you think you're, yeah, but how is that even possible? If you think you're that good to attack the source, that means you're the no, 

[01:47:50] Eldar: no, no, no, no.

[01:47:51] Eldar: We are attacking that which is being presented to us. In the moment, right? No, as source because a lot of times at least what is being read, right? Oh, then has to be interpreted, right? And interpretation happens to be not on individuals that wrote it. It happens. It lies on us. Yes, or no, Josh. That's why and that's a discovery.

[01:48:09] Eldar: Okay, and that is a fallacy that that's where you start discovering a lot of problems because we as Observers of so called truth can be number one bias. 

[01:48:20] Josh: We're we're seekers 

[01:48:21] Eldar: Okay, fine seekers, right? But nonetheless we the way we perceive it and then regurgitate it can be flawed 

[01:48:29] Josh: That's because our calibration stick is already messed up.

[01:48:33] Josh: You prove my point. 

[01:48:34] Eldar: Yeah for sure You prove my point. 

[01:48:36] Josh: Yeah, our calibration stick is messed up. Sure. Like, I'm gonna give you an example, I'm gonna give you an example. God, the master of time, he created it. We live inside of it. Yeah. 

[01:48:49] Eldar: I don't think he has to be a master of anything. 

[01:48:51] Josh: Well, you're right, but you, that's to your, you know, own thought.

[01:48:54] Eldar: Yeah, no, that's you. Your inability to use linguistics to translate that what you're trying to tell me. 

[01:49:02] Josh: So you use the word master and I have a problem with it. Let me take away the word master since you don't like it. Do a better job. Let me, let me, let me do this. He's the creator of time. Let me do it that way.

[01:49:13] Josh: Wait, does time 

[01:49:14] Eldar: actually exist? 

[01:49:15] Josh: Yes. Yes. Okay, fine. Let's assume 

[01:49:17] Eldar: that. Let's assume that. 

[01:49:18] Josh: That it does. Let's, let's, let's. Okay, fine. Okay, fine. Um, the creator of time. Uh huh. Gives you. A way, it gives you a device, a means to tell it, a vehicle to tell time. Yeah. 

[01:49:32] Eldar: For what? What? Now. Why does somebody has to give way?

[01:49:40] Josh: Are you not seeking truth? 

[01:49:42] Mike: But how do we know that time is rooted in truth? It is. And 

[01:49:45] Eldar: why would they 

[01:49:46] Mike: give way 

[01:49:47] Eldar: is necessary in the first place. What 

[01:49:49] Josh: do you mean? 

[01:49:49] Eldar: Give way? You said it gives way he gives, right? You said he gives us, he gives us away. Gives to tell time for why is he giving us anything. If it's is, if it is, if the truth exists, does the truth exists side of people.

[01:50:02] Eldar: Why does it need to be given? 

[01:50:03] Josh: He is truth. We we're not talking about truth, we're talking about time We. 

[01:50:06] Eldar: I know, but somebody's giving it to us. 

[01:50:08] Josh: Yes, he's giving you time. Why is he giving anything? So you can use it. 

[01:50:14] Eldar: I don't understand that process. I don't understand the process of transfer of from one thing to another, that which is is.

[01:50:20] Eldar: Alright, 

[01:50:20] Josh: so let's swap out time for speech or communication. No, I 

[01:50:24] Eldar: don't have a problem with time. I have a problem with The individual that's giving it. 

[01:50:29] Josh: The creator of everything? You have a problem with the creator of everything? The way it's being given, the way it's 

[01:50:35] Mike: being said, it makes it sound like, Yeah.

[01:50:37] Mike: Like, maybe the way at least I understand it, maybe all that agrees, Well, of course. The truth is something that exists outside of time, outside of humanity, inside of somebody creating it. Yep. It just exists. So nobody can give you the truth or take it away because it's above everything, 

[01:50:51] Josh: right? You can only it into it.

[01:50:52] Josh: You can only it's you know, turn to the station. It's not giving transcendent. Yeah, it's transcendent, right? So God Jesus it's it is truth if he is Is right literally his name I am that I am yeah, he is okay. You don't possess it 

[01:51:15] Mike: But you have a capacity to 

[01:51:18] Josh: therefore he gives it to you He gives you the capacity, and then he gives you the thing.

[01:51:23] Mike: Mmm. Yeah, that's 

[01:51:26] Josh: That's not saying well with me. You wouldn't exist if you didn't, were not given a body. You would not be given What's an actual body? What 

[01:51:34] Eldar: is it given? 

[01:51:35] Speaker 10: What does 

[01:51:35] Josh: that mean? Why 

[01:51:36] Speaker 10: does all this really exist? Yeah, you know, well, you know, why is what's with all this? Yeah, if it's 

[01:51:43] Eldar: given right if it's given if it's actually given then it's almost it's 

[01:51:48] Josh: it's it's grace.

[01:51:49] Eldar: Okay, fine You don't deserve nobody shows anything if if it's given by grace, then why is it this way? 

[01:51:55] Josh: Why is what this way 

[01:51:57] Eldar: this way 

[01:51:59] Josh: love? 

[01:52:00] Eldar: No, because my cousin is suffering. He chose love What is given then? And what is actually given? Autonomy? 

[01:52:11] Josh: Autonomy. The freedom to choose. Because that's what love is.

[01:52:18] Joe: Did he get you? Oh, I'm having a problem with it. Oh, I know, but did I answer you? Did that like, uh, satisfy you? I gave him the answer. 

[01:52:26] Eldar: I gave him the word autonomy, he ran with it. Yeah, but does it fit? Because I've been there already. I'm only using your word. Does it? Yeah, I've been there already. Does it fit for you?

[01:52:34] Eldar: No. 

[01:52:35] Joe: Okay. No. Why does it still not work? The autonomy or the choice? 

[01:52:42] Josh: Love is choice, right? The ability to choose. I'm not sure if it's given. Yeah, 

[01:52:45] Speaker 6: I feel like love is not a choice. 

[01:52:47] Josh: What kind of world you live in? Um, We got a force? No, not 

[01:52:52] Eldar: a force. Because what I'm saying is that, that, yeah, it's a very difficult one to answer.

[01:52:56] Speaker 6: No, no, like, you don't have a choice once, like, if you have the truth. Right, and you understand the truth? You can 

[01:53:03] Mike: deny 

[01:53:03] Speaker 6: that. I don't think you have a choice to act in particular. You can't deny that. I don't think you can. Not 

[01:53:07] Mike: if you fully understand it, there's no way you can deny it. It's impossible. It's 

[01:53:11] Eldar: impossible.

[01:53:11] Eldar: That's what Socrates thought. That's 

[01:53:12] Josh: why 

[01:53:13] Eldar: we have this problem. No, no, no, that's 

[01:53:15] Josh: not Your calibration stick is off. You keep following the Socrates guy. No, we're not. It's just we don't understand other lies. I don't like I don't like 

[01:53:22] Speaker 6: Like, for example, let's just say Jesus has The truth for like, okay, right.

[01:53:27] Speaker 6: I don't like like if you're gonna preface something or or like if someone's gonna say something I don't like Um, like I want someone to speak the truth and be the truth without telling me it's the truth 

[01:53:39] Josh: Oh, so you have the way criteria things should be function 

[01:53:45] Speaker 6: that that that to me sits well because like Like if, but he's very arrogant, he's very arrogant, he's very arrogant, I was like, am I bugging out?

[01:53:55] Speaker 6: It's like me saying like, yo, Josh, I'm about to say something really smart, so pay attention, right? Versus me just say something smart and you have no choice to pay attention. If it sits in that kind of way, because I actually am smart, you will naturally pay attention and you'll have no choice. 

[01:54:11] Josh: And you, you could, but I don't, but 

[01:54:12] Speaker 6: I don't want to preface it first, even if it is.

[01:54:14] Josh: So. Are you the originator of, like, the truth? Yeah. You never know. I'm 

[01:54:24] Speaker 6: not the originator of the truth. 

[01:54:27] Josh: You sound like one of those guys who says, I'll believe in God if he shows himself to me. And then when God shows himself to me, you'll be like, I was just hallucinating. 

[01:54:37] Speaker 6: No, but why? What, what, what did I say that like?

[01:54:39] Josh: No, I'm saying you, like, you're, you're, you're, what you're saying is He's a conspiracy theorist, I will say that. You're saying, the creator of everything, you're saying you're smarter than him by saying, well, if he did it this way, then it would make sense to me. 

[01:54:53] Eldar: No, no, no, no, no. I, I think that what he's saying is that, um, He should have chosen a better way.

[01:55:00] Eldar: Who? Your guy. That's basically 

[01:55:04] Josh: saying I'm smarter than 

[01:55:05] Eldar: him. No, no. What he's saying is that, what he's actually saying is that it's probably Choose the way that's best for me. No, no, no, no, no, no. He's under the impression that he does have the best way, and if it was the best way, it would have been phrased this way.

[01:55:18] Eldar: He doesn't understand. That's arrogance, bro. It could be. 

[01:55:21] Josh: No, it is. I could be the one that's, that's the purest definition of a walking definition.

[01:55:31] Speaker 10: I'm a little lost. Can you start over? 

[01:55:35] Eldar: Only if you can take off that turtleneck. Like 

[01:55:38] Speaker 6: if somebody has some knowledge to offer or somebody's saying something truthful or something good, right. I think if they actually are and they know how to speak and conduct themselves, they don't need to like, like, uh, like, like the, the, the, the, uh, the purest form I think is just to say it and, and, and like, for example, not Let it interpret itself.

[01:56:02] Speaker 6: What he's saying. Yeah. I think what he's saying. Got it. And act as if you don't have a horse in the race. All right, look, I'm going to tell you right now, I'm going to talk to you, I'm going to talk to you, no, 

[01:56:10] Josh: no, no, let me throw this in like we raced on the notes, like we did. All right, fine, fine, I'm going to be nice, I'm going to be nice, because you're a guest.

[01:56:17] Josh: I appreciate it. 

[01:56:20] Eldar: But I'm holding my thoughts, so you better watch out. Please, just be ready to shoot it out. It has a huge sword. 

[01:56:23] Josh: Okay. 

[01:56:24] Eldar: All right, 

[01:56:24] Josh: good. You have defense. This is all to the Socrates guys. It's a proverb, listen to it. Okay. 

[01:56:31] Speaker 6: And I want to say one thing, right? Prior to maybe like A few, I don't know, a few months ago, I actually never read or listened to anything, like, in full at all that Socrates ever said, or Anastasia ever said, or Jesus ever said.

[01:56:49] Josh: A few months ago? This guy. Yeah. Wow, this guy's good. Yo, please. Yeah. Can somebody get him, like, he needs his own certificate. It needs to say Atole. Yes. So look, here. This, this quote goes to him for sure. But, I think everybody who, like, are looking for these profound things to seem intelligent, which we are intelligent because we're trying to seek out truth.

[01:57:15] Josh: That's, I think that's the preface of, of, of intelligence. But there's a proverb, here it goes. There's a way that seems right to a man, but the ends thereof are the ways of death. 

[01:57:29] Speaker 6: There's a way that seems right to a man. But 

[01:57:33] Josh: the 

[01:57:33] Eldar: ends thereof the ends of it is gonna be death But again, do you have the questions to say like, okay, God created this motherfucker, right?

[01:57:41] Eldar: Okay, and we know but then he also created death and what's wrong with that, right? So so my reasonable 

[01:57:48] Josh: show me where he created death. 

[01:57:50] Eldar: I mean, what's the definition of death in your thing? Uh, physical body dying. Any, any of those things. Tell me 

[01:57:55] Josh: where he created it. 

[01:57:57] Eldar: Well, it's part of the process, no? Okay, so now we're down to the ontology here.

[01:58:00] Eldar: Tell 

[01:58:00] Josh: me where in the Bible. So, you're 

[01:58:01] Mike: saying people are not meant to die? 

[01:58:03] Eldar: Oh, okay. 

[01:58:04] Mike: Oh. Okay, 

[01:58:05] Eldar: that's very interesting. Now, that's very interesting. Because your boy, Sock, 

[01:58:09] Mike: he might agree with that. Yes. 

[01:58:10] Eldar: Sock, he's actually done. 

[01:58:12] Speaker 6: Yes. But in, in that quote, you said, what, say, say it again? 

[01:58:16] Josh: There's a way that seems right unto a man.

[01:58:18] Josh: Okay, 

[01:58:18] Speaker 6: but you said, see, see, in, in that phrase, you're saying the word seems right unto a man. Now, like, to that person, you're saying that there's a person that thinks he knows it all. Yeah, that they have a perception of reality. But I think there's also tuning into actual reality and actual truth where it's not a perception.

[01:58:37] Josh: Have you done that? I do that all the time. Oh shit. He's a wizard. Yo, please end this, end this, end this thing with, with a, press the button, please. You what? 

[01:58:47] Speaker 11: You know what? Fuck you guys.

[01:58:51] Josh: Seriously, man. I love Totally. He, he, he, he really knows what to say. You the man. 

[01:58:58] Speaker 6: No, but I understand what, where'd you get that from? No, but you do that too, Josh, all the time. No, 

[01:59:03] Josh: I try to use as best as I can to the best of my ability. Logic. Yeah. To interpret that you say don't. Logic me up. 

[01:59:09] Speaker 6: Well, no, but tell me what exactly.

[01:59:11] Josh: How do you, where do you get the information that you get? And again, your mind is, is, is, is, I love your mind. Instagram. Instagram, yeah. All night. YouTube shorts. My head is doom scrolling. Yeah, doom, yeah, doom, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, before, before all this nonsense, right? Totally been like this. Yeah. So I'll say this.

[01:59:33] Josh: When you say 

[01:59:34] Mike: this, what do you mean? Yo. This. When he goes 

[01:59:36] Josh: home, 

[01:59:36] Joe: he puts on the 

[01:59:37] Josh: black hat. I want to throw some fire on the thing. Black robe. Yeah. Some gas on the fire. Holy's always been like this, right? So, side note, whether you believe him or not, God gave you a brilliant mind. Read the Bible. And if you, you know, the communication doesn't sit well with your stomach or your sensitive whatever.

[01:59:57] Josh: I 

[01:59:57] Josh: want to encourage you to learn Hebrew, read it in Hebrew, because then you'll get a fuller understanding of it, and Greek, for the New Testament. 

[02:00:04] Speaker 6: Oh, God. No, I know, 

[02:00:07] Josh: but like, 

[02:00:08] Speaker 6: Like, what doesn't like, um, Not doesn't sit well with me, but like, 

[02:00:16] Mike: Do you think there's a chance of, um, Like, you know that expression that your boy Jay said?

[02:00:21] Mike: He said, don't shoot the messenger. Shoot the message . 

[02:00:26] Speaker 6: No. 

[02:00:26] Josh: What I'm saying is that like, why, why can't for that gun wait 

[02:00:30] Josh: for that trigger? 

[02:00:30] Speaker 6: Why, why can't you tell me like, what doesn't, like, what doesn't sit well or like, like, like I'm trying to figure out what, what am I saying? That doesn't make sense Elder 

[02:00:37] Josh: a lot of it, 

[02:00:38] Speaker 6: but, but like what?

[02:00:43] Josh: Even like if I say, Hey, we're talking about something, and you say, well, what is that? You know what it is? No. I'm like, 

[02:00:49] Speaker 6: what? 

[02:00:52] Josh: So am I, am I confusing 

[02:00:54] Eldar: it? , other 

[02:00:54] Speaker 6: do, do 

[02:00:55] Eldar: you understand something? I don't. No, I I I'm obviously on your camp here. Yeah. Know, and I'm waiting. I think when you, I think it's 

[02:01:03] Joe: the, the very, the very fact that you're challenging Yes.

[02:01:07] Joe: It Without anything, without you behind it. Yeah. Without anything 

[02:01:12] Speaker 6: behind the fact that, well, what do you mean behind it? I, I, I think it's the opposite. Right? I think he, he's saying you're wrong. Go read the Bible. I'm saying that like the proof is in your hand. Yeah. I'm saying, I'm saying, yeah, I'm giving actual words.

[02:01:27] Speaker 6: Right. And no problem. He could say, he could say I'm wrong, for example. Right. But I'm waiting to hear what. 

[02:01:32] Josh: Okay. So 

[02:01:33] Speaker 6: tell me, like, I want some logic. Right. Tell me something. Let's 

[02:01:36] Josh: show some words. Say some words. Say some words that you think I would say you're wrong about let's go through the rhetoric real wrong about yeah Say something 

[02:01:45] Eldar: that you think Jesus Was Jesus would never say that I would I don't believe at least Jesus in that form that he is or the way I understand him and I might Misunderstand him.

[02:01:57] Josh: Okay, which I think I do. I appreciate the humility because I, I, I, me too. I'm with you. Namaste. Okay. 

[02:02:05] Eldar: Um, he would never say, and I fucking, I went to those meetings, Josh, and I said this shit. I was like, yo, God can never fucking say this shit. 

[02:02:12] Josh: Right. 

[02:02:12] Eldar: Uh, he would never say that I'm the truth. I am the source and I'm the answer to it all.

[02:02:18] Eldar: Follow me. 

[02:02:19] Josh: But he did. 

[02:02:21] Eldar: I don't see it. It doesn't make a sense. If he was, if he was truthful, uh, if he was Let's just say if he was real, right? Okay. Assume that he was real, like historically? Yeah, historically. If he was real. Okay. Okay. Let's just say you're saying if, can I like the word if, bro? Yeah. Okay.

[02:02:39] Eldar: Let's just say he's existed. Let's just say he existed, and if he did, I'm 

[02:02:43] Josh: not, I'm not picking a fight with you. I, I want to know. No, no, no. I want 

[02:02:46] Eldar: you to pick a fight with 

[02:02:47] Josh: me. So 

[02:02:48] Eldar: did he 

[02:02:48] Josh: exist 

[02:02:49] Eldar: in, in 

[02:02:50] Josh: your 

[02:02:51] Eldar: paradigm, did he exist? It does not How 

[02:02:54] Joe: you're perceiving him. In his mind it does not. 

[02:02:56] Eldar: No, no, no, no, no, no.

[02:02:57] Eldar: I think he did. Okay. In real time, he's perceiving it wrong. Yes. 

[02:03:02] Josh: I think he perceiving him wrong. Okay. So you know that the man Jesus of Nazareth existed? 

[02:03:07] Eldar: Yes. 

[02:03:08] Josh: Okay. Yeah. Now he has some 

[02:03:10] Eldar: crazy good stuff to say. Okay. Now, if he said the things he said, and what I believe Jesus to be to be, it would never come out of his mouth this way.

[02:03:21] Eldar: And if it did, if it did, it came out in such a way, 

[02:03:27] Joe: more so in a trolling way. I have a question for you. But 

[02:03:30] Eldar: it was translated the wrong way. So what's wrong 

[02:03:33] Joe: with perceiving it the way he sees it, and perceiving it the way you see it? Because obviously I'm doing disrespect. It's a contradiction when you When I say something versus what you say.

[02:03:42] Joe: Yeah. So, so if you, the two of you are contradicting each other, why would one It's a big, it's a big, it's a huge, it's a huge, it's a huge, what he's on now. 

[02:03:54] Josh: So, so, so his perception, Stop touching your dick. Hey, stop trying to play footsies with me man, that's my talent. That means you totally ain't listening to nobody, you already 

[02:04:03] Josh: got answers.

[02:04:04] Josh: Oh, 

[02:04:04] Joe: shit. Yes. Auto guns. So his perception is contradicts his perception, right? And vice versa, but why in this scenario, we're in this room trying to get down to the bottom of it. Why is his, basically his truth trumping Eldar's when Eldar can't fall back and say, well, the mind. 

[02:04:23] Speaker 6: It's his perception. I feel that's what I'm saying.

[02:04:25] Speaker 6: So, so my question is 

[02:04:27] Eldar: trumping. Well, my question to Josh, my question, my question, the fuck out of Josh, my question was, 

[02:04:33] Joe: why? Yeah. Why is your perception inferior? Yeah. Superior, superior, superior to the elders perception. Because what are we basing it off of if we're looking at him as. He's just not seeing it right, and, and, and you're angry.

[02:04:51] Joe: No, no, no. I'mma tell you 

[02:04:52] Eldar: right now. I'mma I'mma do a testimony right now. Okay, go. Okay, and the testimony is, I esteem Jesus higher than Josh esteems him. Okay. Ooh, that's, that's an insult. I know. It's supposed to come across that way. I actually esteem him a lot higher than Josh. Let's see. Right? So his interpretation of what it is, is actually a little bit lessened, and he actually disrespects Jesus.

[02:05:14] Eldar: That's how I actually feel. 

[02:05:15] Josh: Okay. 

[02:05:15] Eldar: Because if Jesus is rooted in love, there is no force, there's no, there's no pressure, there's none of that, and a lot of times, a lot of times, a lot of times, Josh, right, when he studies the Bible, right, or the words of the Bible, there's a lot of force, there's a lot of pressure, there's a lot of religion, there's a lot of, yeah, wait, 

[02:05:37] Josh: now, tell me where, show me that evidence, I mean, you just said a, you 

[02:05:40] Eldar: just said a verse, there's a lot of force.

[02:05:44] Eldar: If you repeat, if you repeat, yeah, if it's not, 

[02:05:46] Josh: it's not fear, 

[02:05:48] Mike: he's not trying to scare you with that. That's truth. You shouldn't be scared of it. Well, it's truth. 

[02:05:52] Josh: Mm hmm. 

[02:05:52] Mike: Say it again, but what's the intention behind it? Say it again. How will we know if we don't talk to Mr. James? Okay, 

[02:05:57] Josh: there's a way, yeah, that seems right to a man.

[02:06:01] Josh: Mm 

[02:06:01] Eldar: hmm. 

[02:06:02] Josh: But the ends thereof are the ways of death. 

[02:06:06] Eldar: Why say the obvious. 

[02:06:10] Josh: That's truth. Why say the obvious, 

[02:06:12] Eldar: but why say it? Uh, okay. How does everybody feel about, so reason why we brought 

[02:06:17] Josh: the verse up was 'cause to knows everything. Yeah. Right? Yeah. That's why we, that, that's why. No, I didn't 

[02:06:23] Speaker 6: say I know everything.

[02:06:24] Josh: No, no. I, I'm, I'm making a joke, by the way. Yeah. Like, and I, and I think I added on that hates all the Socrates followers kind of thing. Yeah. Fuck the losers. I definitely didn't say that. Oh, 

[02:06:36] Speaker 11: you know what? Fuck you guys. 

[02:06:38] Josh: So, I said that because it's like, myself included, I find myself prideful and be like, I know this, why?

[02:06:45] Josh: Because I studied, I did the thing, I did the homework and I do all these things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[02:06:49] Eldar: I, I, I, I. You're not getting caught here in Jersey, are you kidding me? Right, right, so, 

[02:06:53] Josh: like, I went to school, I studied Hebrew, like, I did these things, right? So now, I'm like, hmm, I'm feeling good about myself, but when I'm that high up, I'll get punched in the face and get dropped.

[02:07:06] Josh: So, I have to, like. Humili like, humble myself to say this. 

[02:07:11] Speaker 10: So you could listen. 

[02:07:11] Josh: So I could listen. Instead of doing what Tully did when Joe said one thing. No, but why do you have to 

[02:07:15] Speaker 10: humble 

[02:07:16] Speaker 6: yourself? 

[02:07:17] Josh: Because I know nothing except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 

[02:07:22] Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Like, like, I don't know.

[02:07:27] Speaker 6: It's like a weird thing to me. It's like a Listen, I gave you my argument. 

[02:07:30] Eldar: Let me I gave you my argument. So there's force, and there's a very Jesus doesn't force. I agree. Because I think if we, me and you both agree on what love is, right? Jesus was force. Force. So 

[02:07:41] Joe: why way does he force and, and, and 

[02:07:42] Eldar: his perception, well, why make the statement the, the proverb that he said, why does, why do you make the statement in the first place?

[02:07:49] Eldar: Why does the statement exist? So the statement, it's no, wait, wait, wait, wait. Steven, no, you, you're gonna, I want to see his interpretation based on how you fell on his ears. 

[02:07:57] Joe: Okay. So can we just say the pro one more time? 'cause I'm trying to digest it myself. Go ahead. 

[02:08:02] Josh: What has nobody guys? I don't know. I'm 

[02:08:05] Joe: not familiar.

[02:08:06] Joe: No, we're not. Come on Josh. We're not religious No, you 

[02:08:09] Josh: don't have to be religious, you know, so the number one book in the world is the Bible hundred percent So you should probably read it. 

[02:08:16] Eldar: Yo, stop 

[02:08:17] Josh: it right 

[02:08:17] Eldar: now. Be nice You've been nice for a very long time 

[02:08:22] Josh: number one book We should read 

[02:08:25] Joe: it, Josh. Who gives a fuck?

[02:08:26] Joe: You know what I'm saying? So, hold on. Hold on. But Tully says this about movies to me, right? Uh huh. And, you know, everyone could say it about like, Yo, this is the movie with this message. Yeah. It's gonna rock your world. It's gonna change you. Yeah. How could you not have seen it? Right? So, he's saying that about the Bible.

[02:08:40] Joe: No, no, no. I think 

[02:08:41] Eldar: he takes it a lot more serious than Tully caring about you not watching the movie. Of course. Of course. You know what I'm saying? 

[02:08:46] Speaker 6: But, and I'm usually saying that. Either from some kind of like 

[02:08:50] Eldar: a joke. Yeah. 

[02:08:51] Speaker 6: Like, yeah, in, in, in, in mainly in just, but there's some truth behind it in the sense I'm either I'm sensing some kind of ask or maybe struggle that you're having or something that I direct you.

[02:09:01] Joe: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I could direct you shed a little light. Yeah. All right. 

[02:09:05] Eldar: Because there's a Josh is oppressing us with the 

[02:09:07] Josh: totally, totally is in his heart. Trying to love. We're humans, we're, we're, we're flawed. Yeah. How we try to love isn't love because we're flawed. Sure. Right? And so, it goes back to answering Joe.

[02:09:26] Josh: One, the reason why, um, the position that I hold is credible. It's simply because of this, the number one book in the world, right? 

[02:09:40] Speaker 6: See, that's what I have a problem with. I have a problem with saying the reason why it's credible, the resource, is because of this. I just want to hear the truth and I want to have a conversation and talk about it without having been saying that like, hey.

[02:09:56] Speaker 6: Alright, so don't preface it, right? 

[02:09:57] Josh: Okay. 

[02:09:57] Speaker 6: There's a backup, there's a game, there's a game. I want to hear what you have to say for the words that you have. Not, not, not based on the backing of somebody else. Oh, shit. He said, yo, you haven't learned anything? When 

[02:10:08] Josh: I look at the Bible, the reason why the Bible is credible to me is because it's reliable.

[02:10:17] Josh: Everything in it The evidence that is presented, because I'm actually looking for truth, everything that's presented in there keeps time and time again providing accuracy without fail. 

[02:10:35] Speaker 3: How do you know that? He likes it. He likes it. He practices a religion. How do you 

[02:10:41] Speaker 6: know that? 

[02:10:43] Josh: What do you mean? How do I know?

[02:10:43] Josh: Like, how 

[02:10:44] Speaker 6: do you know that what, like, the interpretation of what you're getting and what, what, what you're getting from it is reliable and, and you're basically saying, yo, every time I read this, Like, it hits every time. It hits every time. Right? And then you apply it, I don't know, let's say, your life or whatever, right?

[02:10:59] Speaker 6: Um, 

[02:11:00] Josh: let's look at, at, at it like a scientist would, right? When a scientist look at it, they have to observe it, and then they gotta test it time and time and time again. We know apples are red because Every time we see it on a tree, it grows and it's red. We're talking about a particular apple. Are you ever going to say, this same tree that produces the same red apple, billions of times over, next the next fruit that's grown is going to be a grape.

[02:11:26] Josh: You'll never say that, right? Because the evidence that's been provided to you Has been proven time and time again that every time it grew it was an apple. 

[02:11:35] Speaker 3: Okay, 

[02:11:36] Josh: so historical reliability of Yeah, but in 

[02:11:41] Speaker 6: that example, there's no interpretation and application and understanding required. That's just an observation Of what's going on, right?

[02:11:49] Josh: I'm gonna give you an example 

[02:11:50] Speaker 6: You you need to read the bible Right. You need to understand it. 

[02:11:54] Josh: Right. 

[02:11:54] Speaker 6: Right. Mm-hmm. And you need to apply it. Yeah. And then you need to understand the application of what happened and, and, and like, what, what's going on to begin with. 

[02:12:02] Josh: Right. And that's just a little bit what you just said.

[02:12:05] Speaker 6: Okay. All of that, 

[02:12:05] Josh: just a little bit. Okay. You have to, well, that's like suicide attitude. You Yeah. You, you, I encourage you. And it's probably wise to, for the rest of your life. Meditate on it. Read it back and forth, front to back, front to back, Genesis to Revelation, back and forth. Time and time again it's proven.

[02:12:27] Josh: There's never, they, they used to have pod, podcasts back in the day. It was called a fireplace and they told stories. The Bible has been, since back in those days, podcasts have been brought up and you're not the first guy, right? Let me, let me, let me preface it with this. The Bible is accurate because it states this.

[02:12:50] Josh: There is nothing new under the sun. Toli's, all these ideas have been regurgitated by somebody else. One. Two, just as I said, Toli or whoever else, Socrates or whoever, the ways that they think of, they think that they're right. It always ends in death. Historical liability. 

[02:13:15] Speaker 3: No. But how, how does that make sense though?

[02:13:16] Speaker 3: Like, I, 

[02:13:17] Mike: no, I think, I think, uh, what I, at least what I thought about is that what I'm listening to you guys is, um, there's the end goal is one, right? And I think that maybe Mr. J, he wanted to get there through fear. Where, why? 

[02:13:33] Josh: Why do you say 

[02:13:33] Mike: that? Well, because the stuff that you're saying about the fear about death, anything about about death, that's a fearful.

[02:13:39] Mike: Oh, so everybody is scared of death? 

[02:13:42] Josh: Is that what you're 

[02:13:42] Mike: saying? Well, I think everybody's. A lot of people, a lot of people, operate out of fear. 

[02:13:48] Josh: I agree, but 

[02:13:48] Mike: Ignorance. 

[02:13:49] Eldar: And naturally, I think that they go towards the fact that death is bad and death is scary and 

[02:13:54] Josh: bad. And you should 

[02:13:55] Eldar: be scared of death. Why? You should be scared of death.

[02:13:58] Eldar: No, but why? 

[02:13:59] Josh: No, I'm saying No, but you're saying that. I'm asking. You're saying that. You're saying 

[02:14:02] Eldar: you should. I'm asking. 

[02:14:03] Josh: You should be scared of death. No. Okay. 

[02:14:05] Eldar: I don't think you should. Okay. I'm saying that if this shit is part of the process, right, if my man What if it wasn't supposed to be? Well, how can we prove that besides some text 

[02:14:15] Mike: that we don't?

[02:14:16] Josh: Historic reliability? 

[02:14:18] Eldar: Well, no, historically it's been proven that everybody dies, Josh. But 

[02:14:23] Josh: if there was a time where you wasn't supposed to die and you were given a choice to live or you were given the choice to die. 

[02:14:31] Eldar: I'm looking forward to doing a podcast with that man that didn't die, Josh. Can you bring him in, please?

[02:14:35] Eldar: And also, what 

[02:14:36] Josh: does it mean to die? He's actually sitting at the right hand. So that's Josh as Joe. No, no, not my right hand. God's right hand. 

[02:14:42] Harris: Oh Jesus Jesus. Oh, I came back to life 50 times so far. Well, thank you Harris 

[02:14:52] Speaker 3: What do you mean 

[02:14:52] Josh: the gods He said I want to know the guy that didn't die Jesus and I was no no No, you 

[02:14:59] Eldar: said you've made a claim that look Uh, it wasn't intended to be.

[02:15:03] Eldar: If it wasn't intended to be, shit. Everybody getting it wrong. Yeah, but wait, did Jesus actually die? Yeah, he did die. 

[02:15:09] Mike: In the human form? So he got it wrong. In the actual form? In the human form, he died. So he got it wrong. But then, is he, I think he's alive still. 

[02:15:18] Josh: By, so death came by one man, Adam. The first human.

[02:15:23] Josh: Right? Yeah. Everybody technically is Adam. Yeah. Upon birth. In that sense, if the human race, because we're all humans, right? Nobody's an alien here, are there? Keep 

[02:15:39] Eldar: it down. 

[02:15:42] Josh: So the human race in and of itself, we've all sinned. Sure. God, the creator of everything said, Hey, You can choose to sin, which leads to death.

[02:15:53] Josh: Mm hmm. 

[02:15:54] Josh: No fear involved. It's just truth. Yeah. You can choose life or you can choose death. 

[02:15:58] Josh: Yeah. 

[02:15:58] Josh: Which one do you choose? Now, right now you're saying, because we're trying to seek out, you know, self improvement and positive knowledge and stuff. Right now you could say, oh yeah. I'll choose life. Yeah. Right now you'll say that.

[02:16:10] Josh: It's true. 

[02:16:11] Josh: Yeah. 

[02:16:12] Josh: But we're choosing death every day. 

[02:16:13] Josh: Mm 

[02:16:14] Josh: hmm. Why? We're choosing death every day. Because we want to choose it. Mm hmm. So nobody got it right. Nobody's getting it right. Okay, so then So the the the The con The the the conceptual human is going to die. And so the God of the universe comes into So then damn, yo, God is weak.

[02:16:34] Josh: If I want to die, I have to 

[02:16:35] Joe: choose not to die? 

[02:16:36] Josh: Pfft. Not in that sense. Not in that sense. There's the, the biblical understanding is if we choose Christ, we can live forever in that sense, right? So, um, 

[02:16:51] Eldar: in physical form or the spiritual? Spiritual. Okay, so then we're talking about the same thing. Let's, 

[02:16:56] Josh: let's go back to the beginning of time.

[02:16:58] Eldar: Yeah, but like again, that, that, that, um, that quote that you say or that proverb, proverb that you say is all rooted in a very specific, uh, message. About death. Yes. And 

[02:17:10] Speaker 6: I guess assumption, right? 

[02:17:12] Eldar: Par 

[02:17:13] Speaker 6: partially 

[02:17:13] Eldar: part, you're assuming it the wrong way. As we, as we talk more and more about it, it is, it's very, it's very separated.

[02:17:17] Eldar: Right. It sounds like a physical form's supposed to die. Mm-hmm . Yeah. But a spiritual one is not, doesn't die. Yeah. Which I agree with. Yeah. Without Jesus, I think, you know, like Yeah. You know, like, I agree with that. Which 

[02:17:28] Mike: I think is, I mean, that's proven. Jesus is still alive. That billions of people Yeah. Who believe in him in his ways.

[02:17:34] Mike: Yeah. But I think Sock is saying the same thing, but I just think that we are over here, we're both standing at the, like a road. Mm-hmm . We have to go around the mountain and I think we, there's two different ways to go around the mountain. 

[02:17:46] Josh: So to get to the same, so all paths lead to the, to the same thing?

[02:17:49] Josh: I think so. I think so. In this case, Mr. J, in this case, sock Buddha, all those guys, the only that lead to it is truth. It's the only way. And I'll agree this way. There's only one truth. Is that a fact? There's only truth. There's not seven truths. There's one. Now, if what you're thinking to be true is not true 

[02:18:18] Eldar: We're all gonna die a wrong perception.

[02:18:21] Josh: Would you stake your conceptualized idea of truth? Would you stake your life on it? You will. And right now you're, you're, you're trying to, if you under the wrong impression, you will. Yeah. No, I think you will. I think of course, a hundred percent right, because you're just gonna ride it out. Yeah. Yeah. You don't know any better.

[02:18:41] Josh: You're talking about 

[02:18:42] Speaker 6: if your, your perception of truth. Mm-hmm . 

[02:18:44] Josh: No. 

[02:18:45] Speaker 6: What's not the actual, 

[02:18:46] Eldar: actual truth? No. 

[02:18:47] Speaker 6: No, I think if 

[02:18:48] Eldar: you know the truth, if you align with the truth, you choose Jesus or truth all the time. Yeah, 

[02:18:53] Speaker 6: I, I think for people in general, like people say, like a, like a quote always, right? Like, uh, perception is not reality or like your reality, like, right, is your perception.

[02:19:04] Speaker 6: But I think to people, their perception is Actually their reality, right? It's not it's not it's not 

[02:19:11] Josh: an objective reality, correct? 

[02:19:12] Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not an objective reality, right? Yeah, but I think there's always a good test that I think this is where you don't have a choice, right? I think the test whether your perception aligns with the truth or not It is it is is is in one thing in suffering but 

[02:19:27] Mike: I think right I think maybe it ties into what you're saying, but my I think it's The truth is the truth and I think that all the parties that we've spoken about they agree with it I think the deciding factor is the motivation.

[02:19:38] Mike: Are you motivated by fear to keep doing the stuff that's being discussed? Are you motivated by something else? Get to the same destination by love and I think that's where we're disconnecting I 

[02:19:49] Josh: think they're I think both of those are great motivators, 

[02:19:52] Mike: the most effective one No, I don't agree most effective one for stupid people Stupid people.

[02:19:59] Mike: Oh, it's fear here, but people who are smart, which is maybe Harris. You love me. But the reason why 

[02:20:06] Eldar: I don't want to say Harris, you love me 

[02:20:09] Mike: or 

[02:20:09] Eldar: are you scared of him? Harris, you love me. Yeah. Like Sonny said, he only had three fingers.

[02:20:18] Speaker 6: Sometimes the only time, the only time. Well, let's go. How about this? Right. I think it's true that Harris loves out there, but, but, but, but the only time. That he's afraid of him is when he's not following the truth and when, when, when it's not logical. That's the only time he could ever be afraid of Eldar.

[02:20:40] Josh: You think he's afraid of Eldar or he's afraid of the truth, the source? There 

[02:20:44] Speaker 6: are times where he's afraid of Eldar or afraid of me or afraid of Mike. In the moment. 

[02:20:49] Josh: It's not you, it's not the bodies, right? Yeah, yeah, 

[02:20:51] Speaker 6: like, yeah, that's the way that you're like acting or your understanding of what's going on.

[02:20:55] Speaker 6: But the only time that you can actually have fear Is when there's not a logical equation for you going on because if there's logic going on and truth and love Then the fear does not exist fear fear only exists in things that are not logical not things that are actually logical Yeah, so 

[02:21:12] Josh: that's a 

[02:21:13] Eldar: whole he's a very slippery, but I also think that josh is having a hard time distingu uh, separating between Like he has a problem with you saying you or me, you know what I mean?

[02:21:23] Eldar: He doesn't want to identify that assuming that you're talking 

[02:21:24] Josh: about the truth that would be in you Oh, I think you have a big problem with that. Yeah, I think for the moment 

[02:21:31] Speaker 6: radio station, right? It's a radio station It's going to be on and sometimes about the source and 

[02:21:37] Eldar: sometimes I tuned into it Yeah, and I know it and i'm transmitting it and he's not I don't disagree with that and if he's not recognizing this path Right.

[02:21:46] Eldar: He will be afraid. Right. Or whatever he afraid of lda. No, no, no. In regards to the truth, I am the physical form of the embodiment of that moment body is the embodiment for that moment. Yes. Granted, yes. Correct. We all saying that's what he's saying. Yeah. But that's, that's a whole nother discussion. That's why I 

[02:22:01] Speaker 6: said that like, like, yeah, I do embody the truth.

[02:22:04] Speaker 6: Not always, but at times I do. Mm-hmm . Right? In the sense that like, I tune into it. But I definitely tune out of it as well, you know, 

[02:22:13] Josh: right. So since, since we tap out of it, sometimes you think it's easy as plugging your phone into the outlet. Are you crazy? Nah, it's hard to get back to that truth. You would disrespect that man, completely.

[02:22:28] Eldar: Right. How can you say 

[02:22:28] Josh: that? But 

[02:22:29] Eldar: to get to the source. It's as easy as just plug it into an outlet? Right, but the way he's saying it. Sometimes I tap into it, No, no, no. He's probably using the wrong words. Right. Well, no, I'm telling you 

[02:22:37] Speaker 6: just what's going on, but I'm not telling you as if, like, I'm physically, like, you know, in and out, in and out.

[02:22:43] Speaker 6: I'm just depicting, like, if you're from an outside point of view, what's going on. Right now, but, but, but, but the, the more like, um, the more I practice and like the more I try to understand things and apply things, the more I tap into it and, and, and, and I'm with it longer. 

[02:23:03] Josh: So let me, and 

[02:23:03] Speaker 6: that's, that, that to me is like the development of life.

[02:23:07] Speaker 6: Is your ability to stay on that frequency longer and longer and longer and longer? Up until you're there, I mean ideally forever. 

[02:23:15] Josh: Indefinitely. 

[02:23:16] Speaker 6: Indefinitely. 

[02:23:17] Josh: Now, the Bible would argue this, right? At the end of our lives, you're gonna be tapped into one of true, one of two sources. If God is the truth as he claims to be, and you're tapped into that source, you will be with that source.

[02:23:37] Josh: But if you're not tapped into him, at the end of this life, you're doomed. 

[02:23:43] Speaker 6: Yeah, see, like, I, I, 

[02:23:44] Eldar: I, I have a problem Josh, you always finish with the bad stuff, man. Yeah, no, 

[02:23:46] Speaker 6: but like, no, but like, what, what doesn't sit well with, like, like, in general, I guess, like, my argument always against, like, like, like the way that you, you, you said that, right?

[02:23:57] Speaker 6: My problem is in the way of, like, Like, I think we maybe believe in some of the same things, and I think that there's certain statements that we can both say that are irrefutable when we speak logical things, right? But I have a problem with like, like, I, I, like, to, to, to me, if you understood those things, I would want you to explain me, like explain me particular concepts and not like preface as like, well, it says in the Bible that you need to do this to get that right, but I don't speak that way because like I don't, well, like you, your, your, your arguments or what I just said, well, the Bible says that, like, this is what, what, what it is where like, Like I, I like things that like don't have, I guess.

[02:24:43] Speaker 6: Um, I, I, I don't know if a horse, horse in the race is, is like the right language here. Mm-hmm . But like, it, it feels that way. Like when you say, the way that you say it to me, at least, it feels like there's a horse in the race and you need to follow this. And if you don't, you're an idiot. While like, I like showing why someone's an idiot or not an idiot, right.

[02:25:04] Speaker 6: With logical sentences. That will like, either, like, are either correct or not, or not correct. Where we don't need like, he said, or she said, or they said, or they said, or that. Where like, we could just rely on words, and not like, like, um, statuses or symbols, or, or, or whatever it is. And I think that's, and 

[02:25:24] Josh: my heart for you totally is, with your Inquisitive mind.

[02:25:32] Josh: I'm strongly urging and encouraging you to read the words. Don't take it from my mouth. I'm flawed. So, what I'm saying to you may not come across the way it ought to. Why not? Because I'm fundamentally flawed. 

[02:25:48] Speaker 6: No, but if you had the truth, it would. 

[02:25:50] Josh: I'm fundam I just gave you a proverb from truth. And you are not understanding how I'm well, excuse me, I'm not 

[02:25:59] Speaker 6: No, but I'm understanding it.

[02:26:00] Speaker 6: No, I understood it. 

[02:26:01] Josh: Right. So 

[02:26:02] Speaker 6: you, you said that once perception of reality, like once you're like in the first part, you're depicting a person that has a perception, a perception of reality, because the word seems in there is in there, right? If something seems to mean dangerous, it may not be, for example, dangerous, right?

[02:26:20] Speaker 6: I don't like to, to, to jump off like a cliff into like water. It seems dangerous to me. Eldar does it no problem, right? For example, right? So. Like the the first part of what what you're saying there seems to me is a it's depicting a Perception of reality, but then the second part is showing that see that person perception was wrong That's why it ended in death.

[02:26:42] Speaker 6: Like that's why it 

[02:26:43] Josh: leads to this That's why I 

[02:26:44] Speaker 6: lead to death which to me is like I I have no problems there with what you okay So 

[02:26:49] Josh: that's truth right now that I just gave you literally a fingernail of truth. That's Rooted in a book. You're saying that you want my words. Yeah. My words, Devorin's words are flawed.

[02:27:03] Josh: Read. No, 

[02:27:03] Speaker 6: but they can't be flawed if they're rooted in truth. 

[02:27:05] Josh: No, no. I just, I, all, if, all I'm going to do is I'm going to repeat the words. I'm going to repeat the truth. Okay. How you perceive it, how it's interpreted, it's going to be something different. All that we've spoken about thus far. Can't you help him 

[02:27:19] Eldar: with it?

[02:27:21] Josh: I could do my best, but. I'm gonna have to rely on the Holy Spirit, who is the spirit of truth, to be able to not only discern through me, but also him. And it's, it's not gonna force, Hey, totally know this truth. No, no. But like it's gonna say Totally. Are you willing to submit to my truth? And then you have to say, I'm willing instead of, no, I'm prideful.

[02:27:45] Josh: I know what I'm a logic it to death. But why wouldn't, no, but I feel you submit to 

[02:27:49] Speaker 6: the truth. If you had, if you had my, I gotta hear you like part, part of like 

[02:27:53] Josh: mm-hmm . 

[02:27:54] Speaker 6: Like. You need to be able to have the truth and then properly communicate it, 

[02:27:59] Josh: and then the person has to properly, willingly, want to receive it.

[02:28:02] Josh: Impossible. 

[02:28:03] Joe: Probably has a follow. It is impossible. Follow in blind without any, any, uh, acknowledgement of why he should be going in blind. Like 

[02:28:10] Josh: just read the book. Read the book. 

[02:28:12] Joe: Is that I have a problem. 

[02:28:16] Speaker 6: I have a bigger problem with that. With a sales person who's wearing a fancy suit, for example. Right.

[02:28:20] Speaker 6: And a Rolex watch. And drives a Ferrari to show all that and then to teach, for example, sales, 

[02:28:29] Josh: right? Like, 

[02:28:29] Speaker 6: I, like, I have a problem with that, right? Because you're, you're, you're trying to create a You're not trying to create a listener, you're trying to create like a perceiver or something. An impression her, yeah, and, and an impression.

[02:28:43] Speaker 6: Her, he, he has a 

[02:28:43] Josh: Rolex. He has the car, he has all the things. He's Yeah, he's, 

[02:28:47] Speaker 6: he's, yeah. Hold on one second. I'm sorry. Some sense. 

[02:28:49] Josh: Yeah. He's demonstrating to you that he's acquiring money. He's through sales to show you some kind of substantial proof. What, 

[02:28:57] Speaker 6: what, what he's trying to, what, what he's trying to do.

[02:29:00] Speaker 6: This is your interpretation. Now, remember? No, no, no. Okay. I'm telling you what's going on. He's trying to You're you're laying the foundation. Yeah. I'm laying the foundation here. What he's trying. Yeah, what, what, what he's trying to do is close my ears. He's, he's, he's not trying to show me what he has with his words and with his truth, but he's trying to create a particular perception so that I potentially don't have to hear what he has to say.

[02:29:23] Speaker 6: All right. Pause. 

[02:29:24] Josh: Take me seriously, bitch. That's 

[02:29:26] Speaker 6: how people get, get these perceptions that they need validation or they need particular things. 

[02:29:31] Josh: And totally. I'm not denying that there are people like that. Yeah. I'm not denying that. There's another salesman. Next, next, at the next desk, dressed just as cool, drives a similar car, same kind of rich, a facade.

[02:29:47] Josh: For what? I don't know. I'm, in, in this example, this is an example. Okay, okay. Is not trying to, like, foo gaze you. 

[02:29:54] Speaker 3: Hmm. Yes. 

[02:29:57] Josh: He, you have to be willing to choose what truth you're going to align with. 

[02:30:03] Speaker 6: Well, no, but I, I, like, to, to me I, I, um, she has a problem with the hook. I have a, I have a, yeah, I have a problem with the need, need, need of a hook by saying that like, Hey, what I'm about to tell you is truthful.

[02:30:15] Speaker 6: Listen to me. Okay? This is the truth. I'll never preface it 

[02:30:18] Josh: that way to you. No, no. All I'll say to you is, yeah, read the book. 

[02:30:23] Eldar: No, but the proverbs, the truth, Josh is very, um, very telling 

[02:30:28] Josh: like this. The, the, the proverb I gave. The warnings. You, you, you hear the proverb. Jesus doesn't lead with warnings. Let's just go like this.

[02:30:37] Josh: You read the proverb. You, you heard the proverb. You said, that's truth. Is that the end of your statement? Or would you say in your mind, with your logical thinking, that is a truth claim. Where is that from? Should you inquire it? Or are you closed off? No, but why 

[02:30:55] Speaker 6: does it matter where it's from, for example?

[02:30:56] Speaker 6: No, shouldn't 

[02:30:57] Josh: you inquire where it's from so you can obtain more of it? You think that one line. If you really 

[02:31:03] Eldar: liked it. 

[02:31:04] Josh: If it's truth? No. No. If you really like it, so he can choose if it 

[02:31:07] Eldar: resonated with you. 

[02:31:08] Josh: Right. So he can choose Uhhuh to dive deeper into truth, or he can choose not to.

[02:31:20] Josh: I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Yeah. He, he said, I'm not sure he, he, he heard a statement. Yeah. He said, wow, that's truth. The thing is, from that point, hearing a statement, hearing, I 

[02:31:29] Speaker 6: feel like if, if, if I have somebody, for example, like, like, and I, I'm not saying this is like a bad way. Mm-hmm . I view Josh as like, uh, um, um.

[02:31:39] Speaker 6: A very big marketer of the Bible in Jesus, for example, right. He's always been a marketer in my eyes too. Okay. A person who is that big of a marketer, for example, of it to me, um, like for me to maybe be interested in it and like dive deeper into it, right. I would need that person to also have the abilities to interpret what they're marketing, what, what, what they're marketing, what it means, it says, and explain it to me.

[02:32:07] Speaker 6: Yeah, I can get to a point of understanding and use the words. Yeah that they've been reading or understanding or feeling got it They're saying he's a fraud. So That's 

[02:32:19] Eldar: what I would oh my god, what was the last time you read the Bible Josh? No, no two years ago No, I'm saying like 

[02:32:24] Speaker 6: that's what I need That's what you need, 

[02:32:27] Josh: but somebody else needs something else.

[02:32:28] Josh: Yeah, somebody else needs something now. Yeah, totally At the end of the day, what I'm hearing you saying is this, Devoren, I see that you're the Bible guy, you're the Jesus guy, you're trying to follow him. But you ain't getting it. I'm not bought into the, to the Jesus thing that you are. Yeah. Because I'm intentionally not reading the book that you are reading.

[02:32:54] Eldar: No, no, no, he's saying that you're doing a bad job of marketing. No, no, no, no. I'm 

[02:32:58] Speaker 6: saying that he's doing a good job, for example, of, of trying to market it. No, he's not. I feel like he's doing a bad job of explaining his learning. No, no, no. You're not a 

[02:33:09] Eldar: marketable person for his, you're not the right target audience.

[02:33:12] Eldar: No, no. Right. And that's fine. Listen, listen. But not because it's bad. Right, that's what I'm saying. No, no, no. I'm going to tell you right now. Totally, take my word for it. The Bible is a shit. And there's a lot of wisdom in it. So, and my, 

[02:33:24] Josh: that's my whole point. You know what I'm saying? 

[02:33:26] Eldar: Like, totally. But, the way I'm telling it to you, trust me.

[02:33:29] Eldar: It's not the way he's telling it to you. Right, because. Yes, 

[02:33:31] Speaker 6: and I feel that. And trust me, and that's not 

[02:33:33] Eldar: the way I respect it. I respect the Bible for I would say, and it is to be disrespectful to Josh, is that I respect it to a higher degree than Josh does. 

[02:33:41] Joe: So what's it, what's it coming off, uh, the way he's presenting it?

[02:33:45] Joe: Fear! 

[02:33:45] Speaker 6: Yeah. I'm not presenting it as fear, that's how you're interpreting it. Hold on, hold on. He's saying something without 

[02:33:51] Eldar: saying anything. 

[02:33:51] Josh: Totally. You're interpreting it as fear. 

[02:33:54] Eldar: He doesn't want to take accountability for the fact that he's fear mongering. 

[02:33:56] Josh: Yeah. And I think Totally isn't taking accountability that he doesn't want to recognize 

[02:34:01] Eldar: who the absolute is.

[02:34:03] Eldar: Everybody's interpreting that. No, the absolute, the absolute is the truth. 

[02:34:07] Josh: So let me say it like, let me say it this way. 

[02:34:09] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:34:10] Josh: God is the absolute, right? He is the, he's the alpha in your name. No, but like, that's 

[02:34:15] Eldar: Hold 

[02:34:15] Josh: on, 

[02:34:15] Eldar: hold 

[02:34:16] Josh: on, let me just finish 

[02:34:16] Eldar: this one statement. No, but you're I'm gonna tell you right now Wait, wait, hold on, hold on.

[02:34:19] Eldar: I'm gonna tell you right now. You'll do a really good job if at the end of it, we don't feel like we've got oppressed. Okay, here it goes, 

[02:34:25] Josh: look. God is the creator of everything. 

[02:34:28] Eldar: Awesome. 

[02:34:28] Josh: Right? If that's the truth. 

[02:34:33] Eldar: No, 

[02:34:33] Josh: we 

[02:34:33] Eldar: agree with 

[02:34:34] Josh: it. Okay, so you agree with it. God is the creator of everything. Sure If he gives you something that you ought to read.

[02:34:47] Eldar: Oppression. Ought to 

[02:34:48] Josh: read? No, I'm sorry. Bad language. Bad language. See, again! If he presents something to you. You're not a good student. Right. I'm fundamentally flawed. I'm a sinner. Good. Right. Good. God, the creator of everything, gives you something. You got a choice now. 

[02:35:07] Joe: How come you won't read the book?

[02:35:08] Joe: What? How come you won't read the book? No, no, no. It's not that I won't. Forget all my markings, dude. He didn't read any books. He didn't read Socrates. He didn't 

[02:35:15] Eldar: read 

[02:35:15] Joe: Anastasia. He didn't read Bible. He didn't do shit. To have this conversation with him. To be on the same No. You won't be on the same page.

[02:35:23] Joe: Even if you read it. Yeah, we won't be on the same page. But, but, but But can't you at least, could you not read it? No, because Joe, he's not 

[02:35:29] Eldar: even reading it. Followers of the Bible are different followers. They follow differently. Trust me. Trust me. They follow the Bible. And Josh is like, yo, you're not following the Bible.

[02:35:38] Eldar: You found something weird. 

[02:35:41] Speaker 6: Yeah, I have a problem with something that's. 

[02:35:44] Eldar: I know I have the same problem. I'm following the Bible, Joe. He's not in my eyes. 

[02:35:49] Josh: What part? 

[02:35:50] Eldar: What part? And just so that we're I'll tell 

[02:35:52] Josh: you again, OK, no pressure. No foul, no force. That's God. That's the same Bible. I'm reading the same Bible.

[02:35:58] Josh: I understand the Bible the same way. Why 

[02:36:01] Joe: is it different then between you two? 

[02:36:03] Josh: They are hearing me, who's flawed. And they're like, what you're spewing is fearful for me. That's not my intention. 

[02:36:12] Mike: It sounds like this is the Dennis thing. Uh huh. Where Dennis is like, yo, you got a dirty house, why are you talking shit about me?

[02:36:19] Mike: And that's maybe the way you, I agree. If Tommy agrees, I'm sorry, I take it all back. 

[02:36:25] Speaker 3: I take it back. Nevermind. Oh my god. 

[02:36:30] Speaker 10: Two belief systems, essentially. Yo, you better tie it in with the fuck you said, bro. They're trying to align, you know? Yeah, 

[02:36:36] Mike: that's exactly what I was thinking. You're 

[02:36:37] Speaker 10: having these, like, Josh believes in truth.

[02:36:40] Speaker 10: It's a Dennis phenomenon. Where Dennis used to always 

[02:36:43] Mike: say like, yo, why you looking at my shit? You got dirty fucking shit too. Listen, 

[02:36:48] Eldar: the truth of the matter is, I think that every single individual in here, and Josh would probably disagree, or Dennis might disagree, that has the ability to tap into the truth right now in this moment.

[02:36:58] Eldar: And they're the god in this moment. 

[02:36:59] Josh: Let me say it this way, you're given the ability, not that you have the ability, you don't. But why does that need to be said? Yes. So why did you say that first statement? Why does that need to be said? What else did I just say? So I 

[02:37:10] Eldar: have to say, everyone in this room has to give the ability, like, everybody that's alive is living.

[02:37:15] Eldar: In this world, 

[02:37:16] Joe: in your world, you want the freedom to, to, to deny his, his beliefs. No, no, no. In my world, in my 

[02:37:23] Eldar: world, God actually told you, you are empowered and I have peace of you, myself in you. And that's, and that's not in his. That's not in his. Wrong. 

[02:37:31] Josh: I think you're wrong. That's not, that's not. 

[02:37:32] Eldar: I think the 

[02:37:33] Josh: Bible is a cross.

[02:37:34] Josh: I'm going to give you a verse. I'm going to give you a verse. All right, another pushy one, another pushy one. No, it aligns with your thinking. I just don't know how you're understanding it. Which 

[02:37:44] Eldar: I also appreciate if you could actually align this one with what I'm saying, that would be 

[02:37:48] Josh: awesome. I'm gonna land this plane for you.

[02:37:49] Josh: Yes, yes. Then God said. Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and God breathe the breath of life into man. Great. That's exact, that aligns exactly with what you said. That's it, I have no argument with this. Now, how do you understand that? No, what do you mean? How do I understand it? Because what it sounds like to me is, it sounds like you're saying, hey, I have this, I have this Christ consciousness, I'm God.

[02:38:16] Josh: No, no, no, no, no, no, 

[02:38:17] Eldar: no. Okay. No, well, that sounds like, yo. I'm misinterpreted. 

[02:38:20] Josh: Well, 

[02:38:20] Eldar: that sounds like, it's like God is like, yo. He had a desire. He or she had a desire. Oh, okay. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Woah. Cause that's disrespectful, let's go, yeah. It is? Actually, yeah, that's 

[02:38:31] Josh: disrespectful. I didn't do that on purpose.

[02:38:33] Josh: No, I, I know, I'm just, like, for the people who do listen, right? Alright, fine. Like, Eldar? Yeah. For, for, for the record guys, that's a man sitting across from me, I'll go for that. 

[02:38:42] Speaker 3: Alright, I hope so. I have a thing. It's not a big one. What, you seen his uh, you seen his 

[02:38:48] Mike: thing? He's got a man piece. Yeah, I have a man piece.

[02:38:50] Mike: You haven't seen Harris's though. I don't know about Harris. I don't know Harris. He may not have a man piece. I just met him. 

[02:38:55] Josh: I just 

[02:38:56] Josh: met him. 

[02:38:56] Josh: You wanna see 

[02:38:57] Josh: it? It would be 

[02:38:58] Josh: disrespectful for me to look at you or your ID, i. e. the Bible, and say that it says on there, male. Yeah. And then for me to be like, or she, yeah, but what if we never seen the bike?

[02:39:12] Josh: I'm sorry. The license driver. 

[02:39:14] Eldar: I'm, if that's the case, if that's the general consensus, then yes. Okay. It's a he 

[02:39:17] Mike: mm-hmm . 

[02:39:19] Eldar: So, what was I saying? 

[02:39:20] Josh: I'm sorry, 

[02:39:22] Mike: what? You were saying that you agree with everything he said? Yeah. That he wants us to be in his image. Yeah. To, to, to be as great as you possibly. No, no, what I said.

[02:39:30] Mike: Okay. Okay. What I was saying is, is that 

[02:39:32] Eldar: he wanted, uh, he had a desire. Yeah. He wanted, yes. For him to have an image of himself transferred over to the human being he had a desire He had a desire. Yep. He had a desire. Nothing. You're saying 

[02:39:51] Josh: is not in the Bible. That's his problem He fucked 

[02:39:54] Joe: up because Jesus asked you to surrender right and you are not in agreeance with Surrendering I'm in the greens of surrendering.

[02:40:06] Joe: Okay 

[02:40:06] Josh: So, what are you surrendering to? How do you know who Jesus is? Where do you get this information about Jesus? 

[02:40:12] Eldar: Oh, I don't. 

[02:40:12] Josh: I don't. No, no. How do you know Jesus? Through you, or through whatever is being said. In the grand scheme of things, not Elder. How does, how does one know who Jesus is? They would have to learn through the Bible or through other sources.

[02:40:26] Josh: So, the ID of this person says, Hey, in order for you to know me, you gotta read my ID. Yeah, yeah, well, my encouragement is that people read the person's ID so you can identify him properly 

[02:40:40] Eldar: Yeah, but it's very difficult Josh at the end of the day because Josh if he was in the in the flesh, right? He was that And then he died, and then he died, and then we're 

[02:40:52] Josh: Finish 

[02:40:53] Eldar: it, 

[02:40:54] Josh: no, finish it.

[02:40:55] Eldar: Yeah, we're trying No, no, no, no. He didn't die? 

[02:40:57] Josh: No, finished it. He died. 

[02:40:58] Eldar: He died. And then, oh, resurrected. 

[02:41:01] Josh: There you go. Okay. That's what sets him apart from Socrates. That helps you? 

[02:41:05] Joe: That helps 

[02:41:05] Josh: you? That's what sets him apart from Socrates. Okay, okay. 

[02:41:09] Joe: So the ID thing, right? He's resurrectable. If I'm looking at Elda, do I really need to read his ID to know he's a man?

[02:41:15] Speaker 10: Well, I think the idea is actually it's, it does hold truth. I mean, even if you say there's nothing supernatural here going on, like nothing that nothing magical, let's say in a way, no, no, no, it was resurrected. Right. So, and Josh, I think really could believe that. So don't think, okay, maybe you have to inquire about this.

[02:41:34] Speaker 10: How was he resurrected? 

[02:41:35] Eldar: No, no, no. What I'm saying is that if he was in this flesh. Right. There was a story about him, who he is. And what I'm saying is that, uh, the disconnect happens when you're trying to describe it in the words of another man to pass on the message. So, so what happens is a lot of the time, right?

[02:41:51] Eldar: Like we have video cameras here now, right? I could put a video camera on you and there's little that you can fake about who you are on camera. You can continue and then we'll kind of get an idea of what you have. You can lie about stuff or whatever, right? We don't have these records of Jesus. Pause.

[02:42:07] Eldar: Pause. Oh, what the fuck? 

[02:42:08] Josh: Yeah. Oh, I see. Because I bet you didn't know this information already. Okay. I, okay. 

[02:42:11] Eldar: Okay, fine. Okay. We have videos. Um, 

[02:42:14] Josh: no eyewitness testimony. 

[02:42:16] Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah. People in his, in his time. Okay. I eye witness look the camera. 

[02:42:21] Eldar: Okay. I also have statistics behind eyewitness testimony when people go on trial and they go on to be the witness for that specific thing.

[02:42:28] Eldar: First they say that they saw this man. Mm-hmm . And that man didn't even was there. But what if, because Eldar, what if, what if we see shit, we freak out. We can look at 

[02:42:39] Speaker 10: Socrates the same way. And in a way, well, I think Paul and the, some of the other disciples, people who carried his, who took his story forward, right.

[02:42:46] Speaker 10: In time, they were like Jesus of Socrates in a way, they were the people who are preaching and who people took an interest in, which gave life to what we call that religion, which took. Over a hundred years. Yeah, dude. I mean that his Jesus' story was, went into obscurity, you know? Yeah. It really didn't like 

[02:43:06] Eldar: start either Jesus did a bad job or, or het, Josh did a bad job interpreting it two years later.

[02:43:12] Eldar: Fuck it. One or the other. Right. 

[02:43:13] Josh: Either I'm doing, I'm, I'm definitely doing a bad job. Okay, good. Thank you. I'm doing a bad, that's humility. Check this out. Are you frustrated by it, by the way? Nah. I love this. Good. It, it, it's humbling me still every day. Good. Um, historical reliability, eyewitness testimony.

[02:43:27] Josh: Sure. Those are, those are prominent things. Sure. We're talking about laymen, we're laymen, right? But these are like historians, like, like scholars who actually look into this. Eyewitness testimony is valid, right? 

[02:43:43] Mike: I actually think it's very funny the similarity between Jesus and Sock because Sock never actually wrote anything down.

[02:43:48] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:43:49] Mike: So again, we're taking somebody else's testimony. Of course. Josh is saying. 

[02:43:52] Eldar: 100%. Plato's testimony and people's testimony. Yeah. So I think they're both. Right. It's a very similarity. Right. 

[02:43:58] Mike: Right. Now the section 

[02:43:59] Josh: can come. Disguise this 

[02:44:00] Mike: truth, but can the truth be deception? No, never. So then what are we talking about here?

[02:44:09] Josh: We're talking about the truth Can we not agree that three plus 

[02:44:12] Eldar: three is All right, we're talking about soccer is being a deception Of what? No, I know you're not but to some degree it carries a weight of your understanding of belief system that you you believe in 

[02:44:27] Josh: Right. So you're you're you're i'm saying eyewitness testimony eldar.

[02:44:31] Josh: Um, no 

[02:44:33] Eldar: The truth of the matter is, I think Jesus is the shit. 

[02:44:35] Josh: Yes. 

[02:44:36] Eldar: And I think he might have probably been better than Sok. 

[02:44:39] Josh: Mayheb? What's the scale you're using? 

[02:44:42] Eldar: I'm sca The scale is love. And I think that if I mean, I think Socrates And that's just Mayheb. That's just like a Socrates didn't use That's like one more point extra.

[02:44:49] Eldar: Yeah, I think Socrates maybe didn't use the word love in a specific way to describe the certain experiences. But I think that most of his stuff was In rooted in love. 

[02:44:58] Josh: Okay. How do you demonstrate love in any sense? 

[02:45:01] Eldar: You gave me an example earlier virtues, 

[02:45:04] Josh: right? But what's the greatest expression of love?

[02:45:07] Eldar: Probably selfless act like you just demonstrated before right you said hey like this person would need Needed my attention and I gave that attention regardless of the What you were getting in return 

[02:45:19] Josh: that just gives Jesus one extra point plus or minus than Socrates There's no no He's saying he might be a little bit better.

[02:45:27] Josh: Well, I don't think we know The only 

[02:45:30] Eldar: reason is that I guess the message that was left behind was what love. No, but the thing is, it was. But you never lead with it, Josh. He led it. He led with it. I know he led with it. But the thing is that you don't lead with it. You lead with fear. I'm a 

[02:45:46] Josh: bad salesman. 

[02:45:47] Eldar: Josh, do a better job studying.

[02:45:49] Eldar: Bro, let me, let me, I'm gonna do you one better. And that's why I attended those things, cause I wanted to really learn. Bro, let me do you one 

[02:45:54] Josh: better. My intention, even as I'm, cause I'm very careful in the words that I'm using, I'm not even trying to use fear. But you fucking so good at it. So check this out, like when I said No, because you learn, you learn Let's say I gave the proverb.

[02:46:11] Josh: Yeah. Let's, let's, let's say I gave the, the reason why I gave the proverb was because I know humans because I know me a little bit, right? I know that there are things that I do that are sinful. And I do it anyway. Yeah, right. Whoa. And so I'm speaking in that way. 

[02:46:29] Mike: Give us some examples, man. Whoa. Look at the way he's 

[02:46:32] Eldar: dressed, bro.

[02:46:33] Eldar: Are you kidding me? This ain't no humble servant of Jesus Christ back in the day, bro. This guy, 

[02:46:38] Josh: look at him. In my defense, my wife buys my clothes. I just wear them. I'm just, I'm just the messenger. That's the word. You guys have more in 

[02:46:44] Eldar: your defense, in your defense, I'll accept that defense to the jury. You know what I mean?

[02:46:49] Eldar: Because my wife also dresses me. It just happens to be that I'm not wearing the same shit. Yeah. So calm down over there. Why are you yelling? 

[02:46:58] Josh: Here's the verse. Here's the verse. Why is he yelling? Here's the verse minus. You can yell without saying anything. Yes or no? A hundred percent. Okay, good. I got bad news 

[02:47:10] Speaker 6: for you, Josh.

[02:47:11] Speaker 6: I'm done. 

[02:47:11] Josh: Minus Toli's arrogance, right? Yes. 

[02:47:14] Josh: I got bad news for you. I'm back. Minus Toli's arrogance, right? 

[02:47:19] Josh: This is the message. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him Should not perish, but have everlasting 

[02:47:29] Eldar: life. Again! Are you serious? Everlasting life.

[02:47:31] Eldar: Why is he always fearing us with fucking dying? Your interpretation. 

[02:47:35] Josh: Fuck 

[02:47:35] Eldar: that 

[02:47:35] Josh: shit. I said death. I said perish and now he's like, I'm scared of perishing. I'm scared of people. Yeah! Let me, let me, let me, let me, Josh, come on, don't be naive. Look, um, shall not have Zero truth, but we'll have truth. 

[02:47:49] Speaker 10: Thank you.

[02:47:50] Speaker 10: See you Now We're in agreeance as you guys like to say. Now you understand. Yo, I told you before if Tommy Zi, you're bad. You're bad chain, bad shape. Yeah, it's a bad, it's a, can 

[02:47:58] Josh: you say that slower? Essentially, he's God the world, he's taking your, I'm trying to use your language. Yes. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him shall not have no truth, but will have truth.

[02:48:14] Speaker 6: Yeah. The way the word said, I'm bad. I'm a bad salesman. I, yeah. No, no, but see, like, but so limiting. I'm not trying limiting, but my intention is not 

[02:48:22] Josh: fear. My intention is not fear. You're, I'm not trying to do that. I'm trying to share love. You're listen. 

[02:48:25] Speaker 6: Yeah. No, no, but you're saying, mm-hmm . If you listen to this person, right, you will have the truth.

[02:48:31] Speaker 6: Right. 

[02:48:31] Josh: Correct. But you can choose not to listen to him or in your case, read the book 

[02:48:36] Speaker 6: and 

[02:48:36] Speaker 10: be a jerk. It's like saying if you listen, , 

[02:48:39] Eldar: that is true. . Yeah. And be a meanie. Yeah, no. So, Tom, you, you're saying something or you say nothing. 

[02:48:46] Joe: If you knew nothing about religion, uhhuh, and let, let's say in toss case knows nothing about it, but everything, and he hears his sales pitch, why don't, why can't you see that it's gonna come off to him?

[02:48:59] Joe: Like some type of car salesman pitch, because it's like, listen, I know what you don't know. And because of that, you should, you should just trust me. And because you haven't, uh, you know, and you, and if you, if you choose to deny it, then you're wrong. 

[02:49:17] Josh: So basically, um, I'm a bad car salesman, I'm a bad car salesman.

[02:49:21] Josh: The car is good, it's not a horrible car. I'mma say, I'mma say totally. Look, I probably didn't sell you the car good. Here's the keys. Do what you want. You wanna drive it, bro? What you gonna do? Wait, wait, wait. This is where we're at. Because I'm a bad salesman. At the end of the day, I'm a bad salesman. I got all the stuff.

[02:49:40] Josh: And, and, and, and in this, in this analogy, I'm saved, even though I'm messed up or I can't deliver it right. The car, the product, here's the keys. You can choose to do whatever you want. You can get in the car, turn it on and not drive it. You can get in, turn on, drive it and crash it, misinterpret it, or interpret it how you want to make yourself.

[02:50:06] Josh: The thing is, um, don't create an image of God, right? That's one of the commandments. You can create this cuddly God who pleases you, the genie, that says, this is the kind of God that Tully would worship. Or, you can read the ID, you know, you could test the car, you could do it. My intent is, wow, if everybody got in this car and drove it, everyone would love it, as a fundamental fact.

[02:50:36] Josh: I know that because I've driven it. Yeah. I'm giving you the keys, do what you want with it. That's how I'm sharing love, because I got out the cave. So, I want you to come out the cave, but I'm not going When Joe has a finger up, just like that. That's it, that's it, everybody shut the hell up. Yo, press a button first, before Joe, before 

[02:50:57] Speaker 11: Joe.

[02:50:57] Speaker 11: Oh, you know what, fuck you guys. That's the best one. So, 

[02:51:00] Joe: Tully drives the car, but then comes back and says, you know what? It was a nice car, but It's not that great. It's not that great. I like something else. Do you perceive Toli as just having a bad perception of what a good car is? Because if Toli's like, Hey, I'm a BMW guy.

[02:51:21] Joe: You're trying to, you're trying to give me the, the, the Mercedes. I didn't like it. And I wanted, and I, and I drove it. So 

[02:51:28] Josh: I'm 

[02:51:28] Joe: not 

[02:51:29] Josh: talking about preference. I'm literally. He's a BMW guy. I'm giving him the BMW. Right? If he's the Mercedes guy, I'm giving him the Mercedes guy. The premise is, so he will, he won't come back.

[02:51:41] Josh: Disappointed him. I'm giving him the car. Okay. But what I'm trying to do is I'm like, he's a BMW guy. I'm what? I'm, what I, what I've been messing up is he's a BM BMW guy. Yo, Toli. Now, I know it's a BMW, but I'm, I'm, I'm communicating. Yo, Toli, this Mercedes Benz is fire. You gotta drive this Mercedes Benz. It's black, white interior.

[02:52:05] Josh: This Mercedes Benz is fire. You gotta drive it. It picks up speed. Hello? Toli, like, I'm really just a BMW guy. But I'm bad salesman, right? I've driven this, you know, BMW I don't think it's a bad salesman thing. I'm calling it a Mercedes Like that's what it is, or I am calling it in this case. I'm like, yo, you gotta drive the BM I didn't say W You got to drive the BM.

[02:52:38] Josh: Now, I know what it means. I know what I'm saying, but he's interpreting the BM. I don't want a BM. I want a BMW. He's interpreting what I'm saying to be fear. 

[02:52:49] Josh: Yeah. 

[02:52:50] Josh: In fact, I'm actually trying to demonstrate love. But how do you feel 

[02:52:55] Eldar: about doing such a bad job? 

[02:52:57] Josh: I feel terrible. 

[02:52:58] Eldar: So really, 

[02:52:59] Josh: I feel terrible. Like I'm about to cry.

[02:53:01] Josh: So what was that bad? 

[02:53:02] Joe: No, don't don't don't take it too hard on yourself. Because if he's, if he's falling back on the aspect of if I'm not getting through to you, it's because I'm a bad salesman. But why does he buy into this? Well, that's the thing. So, so can we say to you, Josh, You are a bad salesman? Yeah.

[02:53:23] Joe: Yeah. Yeah, we can definitely say that. I mean, I, I believe this. It'll encourage me to do 

[02:53:27] Josh: better. 

[02:53:28] Joe: Yeah. And then basically And I respect the fact that he accepting that. Well, well, you're not a bad salesman. Why? No, no, you're not a bad salesman. No, he's 

[02:53:37] Eldar: a bad 

[02:53:37] Joe: salesman here. Here, 

[02:53:39] Eldar: fine, sure. He might be a good salesman to somebody else.

[02:53:41] Eldar: Sure. Or the popular, the popular, even the customer, the popular, the population that he's, he's targeting might actually resonate with this. Sure. They might need fear. 

[02:53:50] Joe: Yeah. Yeah. 

[02:53:51] Josh: But again, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not relaying fear. The interpretive is understanding it as fear. He's a good salesman. And that, that 

[02:53:59] Eldar: is why you're doing a bad job, in my opinion.

[02:54:03] Josh: Fair enough. 

[02:54:04] Eldar: Right? If you are not, I agree, I'm doing a bad job. If you're not relaying, you're saying 

[02:54:07] Josh: My words are fearful. Yeah. 

[02:54:08] Eldar: Yes. If you're not, that we are hearing Yes. But the way it's full falling on our ears is like, wait, that's a scary religion. Yeah. Like, what are you talking about? Like, you kill me.

[02:54:18] Eldar: You're gonna punish me here. Like what? There's always a reason why, how is a, 

[02:54:22] Joe: a person that loves us, you can't do it without fear. How come? How come what you're trying to do right now? It's coming across fearful because, 

[02:54:28] Speaker 6: because, because, because you actually have to make sense in what you're saying words wise, just explanation for it not to come across that.

[02:54:37] Speaker 6: Okay. 

[02:54:38] Joe: Can you explain to him in your sense why it's fearful to you? Cause he doesn't see it. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. To me, the biggest 

[02:54:47] Speaker 6: difference is this. If you don't do this, yeah, this happens to me. The biggest difference is, okay, so, so like having, you know, but naturally look, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, I think I am making it naturally.

[02:54:59] Speaker 6: I think people who are, for example, like if, if they're a, um, devout follower of religion, I think it's. Like, they're, like, in, in, in the, in the explanations to me, it's okay to be fearful. 

[02:55:13] Josh: Side note, totally. I'm not a, I'm not a follower of religion. 

[02:55:17] Speaker 6: Well, I'm, I'm, I'm probably using the wrong words. Yeah, follower of Jesus or, or, or the Bible, right?

[02:55:22] Speaker 6: I think, in, in, uh, based on what I'm hearing at least so far Everyone, for example, they're, they're afraid of, of that. 

[02:55:32] Josh: Afraid of what? 

[02:55:33] Speaker 6: They're like, they not, not, I don't know if they do it out of fear. 

[02:55:37] Josh: So I'm not following Jesus out of fear. I'm following because I love him. I hope not. And only because he loved me first.

[02:55:42] Josh: Like to me, I feel like Eldar is not going 

[02:55:46] Speaker 6: to believe something or follow something out of fear because someone says it, but I think he'll understand it and listen to it and, and, and, and, and do all that. Like, like, um, you can't sell me on fear out of logic, right? But I feel like the way that it comes across and a lot of people, the way that they carry themselves is that like, they're like, the only person you can fear, for example, is God, like, be fearful, for example, of God, for example, that like, I'll hear that all the time, right?

[02:56:16] Speaker 6: But that automatic, there's logical, like, there, there's a problem there that we can't jump over, right? Because I think in the way that he's talking about. You can be fearful of that and in the way that he thinks and operates. You can't. Okay. But not allowed, bro. You kidding me? Yeah. The 

[02:56:31] Eldar: God that I 

[02:56:32] Speaker 6: believe 

[02:56:32] Eldar: in Joe.

[02:56:33] Eldar: Mm-hmm . Yeah. Will never leave with fear. There's no chance that if he have ever embodi fear into you, he got it all wrong. Yeah. Agree. That's not real. God. Yeah. Also, and I agree with that ofAnd in 

[02:56:43] Josh: this, in this sense. What you understand is fear. So I'm, I'm gonna give you one more, I'm gonna give you another verse.

[02:56:49] Josh: Do you have a, 

[02:56:50] Mike: do you have a fear of not living in accordance with the truth now that you No. You don't. I don't. That's not, that's not driving you. Can we get No. Okay. So whether you 

[02:56:58] Josh: get truth or not, it doesn't, it's not a, it's, it's whatever. 

[02:57:01] Speaker 6: No, no, no. I think he has a desire to live in accordance. Can we get to the, can we get to the truth?

[02:57:07] Joe: Through logic and fear. We're all gonna And love. And love or love. Yeah. We'll get to it no matter which path. Like almost like what Mike said, right? There's the mountain, there's two, there's, you're at the fork. 

[02:57:18] Speaker 6: Fear is the longest 

[02:57:19] Eldar: path. 

[02:57:20] Speaker 6: No, there there's only one way. No, I, no, I don't think that there's, you can get around the mountain.

[02:57:24] Speaker 6: Yeah. Either way. There's one way. If you're going through, there's either pain or there's suffering. There's no in between. You're either in pain. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I mean, sorry. There's either like pain or happiness, right? There's no like. One way or like the other, right? And I feel like if you align with truth, you will feel a continuous injection of happiness.

[02:57:44] Speaker 6: And if you don't align with the truth, you are guaranteed, regardless of your ignorance, you are guaranteed to feel pain. Guaranteed, whether you like it or not. And if I'm convinced through fear, 

[02:57:56] Josh: I'm the biggest sinner, bro. Yeah, and again, that's not my intention at all. That's why the person with the Rolex watch and the Ferrari 

[02:58:04] Speaker 6: was about to teach something.

[02:58:05] Speaker 6: Right? And that, the, the, the intention of 

[02:58:08] Josh: fear. If their intention is fear. 

[02:58:09] Speaker 6: They're dressing up a particular way. Right. And acting a particular way to depict a particular image of success of, of this. Now, all of that is your 

[02:58:17] Josh: interpretation, totally. What? All of that is your interpretation. You literally came up with this analogy, and you're, you're first.

[02:58:22] Josh: No, but this is what's happening. I know, no, this is, you're only, your only thought is, they're doing that because they're trying to G me. What if they're not? 

[02:58:31] Speaker 3: Yeah, but then, the gig is the gig. 

[02:58:34] Josh: Yeah, damn that. I'm saying if what he's saying is they only doing this because they trying to fear me or scare me, what if that's not their intent?

[02:58:44] Speaker 6: They may not be trying to scare you, but they're trying to make you feel a particular way. They're not. What is that 

[02:58:51] Josh: way? What is that way? What is that way? What are they making you feel? Without a disclaimer. No, no. Without a disclaimer. What are they making you feel like? Well, no, 

[02:58:57] Speaker 6: but they're trying to make you feel a particular way.

[02:58:58] Speaker 6: Insecure. Without. Using their words, and that's what I have a problem with. Right. And that's so more powerful. 

[02:59:04] Josh: That's what More powerful than, well, 

[02:59:06] Speaker 6: no, they're trying to cloud your, like, for example, right? But that's what you, when he sees somebody online that is successful, right. Quote unquote, quote unquote, for example, successful, they're exemplifying success or acting a particular way.

[02:59:18] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm . He gets a particular impression of it, right? Yes. Where I think the right way is to hear the words that an individual is saying. Right. And if they align with the truth, if they align with the truth, I think that you will now understand what success means, for example, but a lot of those people, they have a hard time using the right words, so they need to look a particular way to make people feel a particular way.

[02:59:41] Speaker 6: And then using 

[02:59:43] Eldar: that as the hook to hook someone. Individuals, who then, then think But you see how 

[02:59:46] Josh: he just created a false dichotomy? No, he didn't create that. He tried to describe what's happening, Josh. He described what he sees in his paradigm. What if he's blind? Yeah, but Is it possible that you're blind?

[02:59:58] Josh: Is it possible you're misinterpreting? Come on. 

[03:00:00] Speaker 10: Or you're a 

[03:00:01] Josh: ghost. You're mad naive, Josh. Is it possible that there's no other That's a crazy naive world that he lives in. Only Tommy can answer that question. So 

[03:00:08] Speaker 6: wait, 

[03:00:08] Josh: you're telling me So you're telling me that It only has one guy, that's 

[03:00:11] Speaker 6: Eldarism. As you misinterpreting them.

[03:00:13] Speaker 6: Yeah. 

[03:00:13] Josh: And so I'm humble enough to say that. Hey, it's possible that what you're saying is accurate, that this guy's putting on a suit for a facade. 

[03:00:20] Speaker 6: But you're not humble enough to say that what you've been reading is wrong. 

[03:00:23] Josh: Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. 

[03:00:25] Joe: Are you trying to prove what he's reading is wrong? Or are you just trying to prove?

[03:00:29] Joe: Are you seeking truth? Oh, 

[03:00:30] Josh: no, no, no. I'm not trying to seek truth. Have you read the book? Have you tried to seek truth by reading the book? Oh my god, that's a crazy trap. Come on, that's, that's blasphemy. What's a trap, Josh? You can't say it like that. 

[03:00:42] Eldar: Have you tried to seek the truth in order to read the book?

[03:00:44] Eldar: Like, the only way to truth is if you read the book. That's fucked up. 

[03:00:48] Josh: I've read Socrates. I've read Socrates. I did my due diligence. I did my due diligence. No, but just because you read it doesn't mean that you understand 

[03:00:58] Speaker 6: it. 

[03:00:59] Josh: Yeah. You failed. 

[03:01:01] Speaker 6: I didn't 

[03:01:01] Josh: understand it according to who? Socrates or you?

[03:01:03] Josh: According to what it is. 

[03:01:05] Speaker 6: Yeah, in accordance to what it is. 

[03:01:06] Josh: And what it is. Who's going to define what it is? You or me? Well, 

[03:01:09] Speaker 6: no, I'm saying that like Whose way is right? Like Joe 

[03:01:12] Josh: said originally. 

[03:01:12] Speaker 6: Is there, is there a chance that your understanding of the reading is wrong? 

[03:01:16] Josh: There is a chance. That's the same argument.

[03:01:19] Joe: The kid who wanted to play ball and didn't have the understanding of what the suicides were and you kind of looking at him like alright well if you really want to take this serious you gotta come, we'll get you into catch you up to speed and because Tully hasn't read these books yet he doesn't even have like really footing to stand on to have this conversation with you because Of course!

[03:01:41] Joe: Of course! League yet. Of course. 

[03:01:45] Josh: The man plays baseball. 

[03:01:46] Speaker 6: Oh 

[03:01:46] Josh: yeah. Of course. Yeah. That's a 

[03:01:48] Speaker 6: difference, 

[03:01:49] Josh: Joe. So I'm inviting you to come play basketball. You're deliberately arguing. That's why he said 

[03:01:55] Eldar: he can't wait for the next meeting. Yeah, I cannot wait. You better do your homework, bro. I was being nice. I was being nice.

[03:02:03] Eldar: He's not nice. He's a gremlin. 

[03:02:05] Josh: He's already He's already ready. He's not coming in open minded as he claims to be. We know what time it is. Eldar, why is he coming in? Why is he coming in? 

[03:02:13] Speaker 6: This is the rhetoric that's happening. He wants to punish you. He wants to punish you. He wants to punish you. Why is he coming in?

[03:02:18] Speaker 6: I'm the most open minded. The most. 

[03:02:19] Josh: Eldar, why is he coming? 

[03:02:21] Joe: For real. I agree. I agree. I agree with that statement. He, he, he is, he doesn't come with a bias. Because he's so unaware of all the other things. Because he's using his own, his own like, uh, Yeah, look, I don't have 

[03:02:35] Josh: to defend God or the Bible. I don't have to.

[03:02:37] Josh: What I'm saying is, It should defend itself. It can defend itself. Yeah, it doesn't need to. In all honesty, Eldar, Mike, right? Why is Tully coming? For real. Why do you think? I 

[03:02:49] Eldar: heard there's gonna be 

[03:02:49] Mike: killer food over 

[03:02:50] Eldar: there. 

[03:02:50] Mike: I 

[03:02:51] Eldar: hope it is. No, based on what it is, it's like he really wants to find out whether or not it's the shit.

[03:02:57] Eldar: Is he? 

[03:02:59] Josh: Look deep, look deep. Cause everything he said 

[03:03:03] Speaker 6: was You don't know me then, Josh. 

[03:03:04] Josh: Bro, I know you well enough that I just spat out truth. And you said, that truth you just said? I agree it's truth. But it scares me. So now I'm gonna read this book looking for the scares. No, but how am I saying that? He's already scared of enough stuff, man.

[03:03:21] Josh: That's what he said. That's what you said. Don't scare him anymore. Why am I prefacing it? You're attacking it as opposed to just saying, you know what, I'm just gonna read it and I'm gonna allow it to interpret itself. Exegesis. 

[03:03:36] Speaker 6: Well, no, no, but I'm not saying I'm like Like scared of something or like 

[03:03:40] Josh: No, you're saying I can't really?

[03:03:42] Josh: You did anybody, 

[03:03:44] Eldar: did anybody hear? I'll interpret it like that. Yes. He wants, he wants to go embody you. He wants to bully 

[03:03:51] Speaker 6: you, but he wants to bully you. I love a conversation about the truth. I actually do. 

[03:03:55] Josh: Right? Because you want to explore. But, and I 

[03:03:57] Speaker 6: like, I like it even more when people are attached to it that they're Correct.

[03:04:00] Eldar: No, no, no, no. Hold on one second. Yes. That's a competitive spirit of his. That's a competitive spirit. When he sees somebody's passionate, and you are definitely passionate about it, which is fucking the shit, which is 

[03:04:11] Josh: Yo, look, it's not me. I promise you. Cause if it was, if I could have it my way, let me tell you what my way would be.

[03:04:17] Josh: Yeah. Sex, drugs, money, all the, everything that is Well that's pretty crazy! As a human, we are What do you mean? We have a year 

[03:04:23] Speaker 6: away. 

[03:04:23] Josh: Yeah. Every woman is flawed. This, uh, this 

[03:04:27] Mike: road trip took a crazy turn. What are we talking about here? So you're doing I'd be okay with it. 

[03:04:31] Josh: As a sinful person. How many girls do you want to have sex with?

[03:04:36] Speaker 3: Right 

[03:04:36] Josh: now? No. 

[03:04:37] Mike: How 

[03:04:37] Josh: many what? Stop, stop, stop. Well, see, you see, you 

[03:04:39] Josh: see! 

[03:04:40] Josh: What'd you ask him? Be real, be real. How many girls would you like to have sex with? Right now? Not right now, bro. We just a bunch of men. You want us to watch you? When you watch your porn and you got your meat in your hand. 

[03:04:49] Speaker 6: I don't understand what that means.

[03:04:51] Speaker 6: Like, your desire in the future like a dream. Come on, 

[03:04:53] Mike: bro. Be a hundred percent. When you watch your porn and you got your meat in your hand. Yeah. How many girls, yeah, 

[03:05:00] Josh: how many girls do you want to have sex with? As many as possible. Come on, give me a real answer. As many times as I have. 

[03:05:06] Josh: I don't answer these questions.

[03:05:08] Josh: Don't answer it like you think you soccer. Truthfully, yes, truthfully. 

[03:05:12] Josh: How many girls do you want to have sex with? Hopefully one. Hopefully you see that. You see what he's doing. Yeah. But that's a very good answer. No, no, it's it. Yeah. That's the book. That's the book. Textbook answer. 

[03:05:23] Eldar: Well, no, that's a Bible answer.

[03:05:24] Eldar: No, 

[03:05:24] Josh: that's the textbook answer. I said Totally. How many girls 

[03:05:27] Eldar: do you No, but ask 

[03:05:27] Josh: him 

[03:05:27] Eldar: why. The reason behind it, and I don't think he's gonna give you a Bible answer. 

[03:05:31] Josh: I I, lemme let rephrase the question. How many girls have you had sex with? Three more than one. Three and you don't have to say it, but was it more than one?

[03:05:38] Speaker 3: Yeah, 

[03:05:39] Josh: right So you desire to have sex with more than one girl if you had it your way you would not wait Now 

[03:05:46] Eldar: he would like to have one girl only hopefully only one right because what he's looking for is probably something real, 

[03:05:52] Josh: right? Right. Chances are you're probably not going to find this. 

[03:05:56] Eldar: No, why are you going through the chances?

[03:05:59] Eldar: Why are you going there? 

[03:06:00] Josh: Hold on, let me land this. He's a piss pig. Let me land this. Because Toli is trying to like Defy the odds? 

[03:06:07] Eldar: Yeah, he's trying to do something. No, I think that he's looking for something that's real. Hold on, I'm not talking about the Sure, statistically it's probably against him. Sure, he's probably going to have sex with one girl.

[03:06:16] Eldar: What if he likes men? 

[03:06:18] Mike: We're 

[03:06:18] Eldar: like 

[03:06:19] Mike: man to man. Man to man. 

[03:06:21] Josh: Another conversation. 

[03:06:22] Josh: Another conversation. Another conversation. 

[03:06:23] Joe: Now, here's the reason why 

[03:06:25] Josh: I said this, right? If we as men headed our way, right, before our wives or something, right? What was we doing? We was trying to get girls with an S. With a Z. For real.

[03:06:39] Josh: With a 

[03:06:40] Speaker 3: Z. 

[03:06:41] Josh: Mad Z. Yeah. 

[03:06:42] Speaker 6: Yeah. 

[03:06:43] Josh: That's if we had it our way. 

[03:06:44] Speaker 6: Well, no, no, no. There's only one way No, no, no. You only had, you only had that way at that time. Had you known better, you wouldn't be doing all that. Correct. 

[03:06:53] Speaker 10: You just didn't Why are you doing it this way now? Hold on, hold on. You guys criticized his ought language.

[03:06:59] Speaker 10: When he was saying that we ought to do these things, you were like That's a pressure on Boris. You freaked out. Yeah, I freaked out. That's it. Backflips in here. This whole, this whole idea. What argument are you having? Pushing his, his ideas behind, like using fear to, he's like fear mongering or something.

[03:07:16] Speaker 10: And that's what's wrong. That turtleneck is not making the argument any stronger. That's you tried to do it, it's not going to work on us. Here's my point. Saying, if I, if I sided with Josh saying, if I had it my way, I'd be doing drugs too. It's in my nature. It's in our nature to 

[03:07:32] Josh: do a thing that isn't in thing is you crazy.

[03:07:36] Josh: Look, it's in our nature to do the things that is contrary to truth. No, it's, it's in our, its in our nature. It's, it's in our nature to do 

[03:07:44] Speaker 6: godly things. That's what's in our nature. You've said that yourself too. Everything else is in nature 

[03:07:49] Josh: to choose to do godly things. No, you, you look at it as a positive thing, so not the opposite.

[03:07:54] Speaker 6: Once, once you understand, you have no choice. 

[03:07:57] Josh: You have no choice in the matter. You have no choice. And this is, this is, this is, uh, uh, Socrates. No, this 

[03:08:04] Speaker 6: is a fact of truth. This is an irreversible, irrefutable fact. 

[03:08:10] Josh: Show me. But what about free will? He's telling you, 

[03:08:14] Eldar: he's like, I don't want to, I don't want to.

[03:08:15] Eldar: My man is Socrates himself. Why don't you ask him the details behind why he wants to have hopefully only sex with one girl? Why are you, hopefully, anything? There you go. If it's a, if it's a truth, you shouldn't have to hopefully. It's a wrong word. Hope is dead. 

[03:08:29] Speaker 6: It's, it's a wrong word. To, to, to, to. But we're not.

[03:08:32] Speaker 6: No, no. No, I 

[03:08:33] Eldar: think the only reason why he's using that word is to give him the buffer of the fact that he's an idiot, still. Right. But. If he's not gonna work out of the idiot preface, he knows that he's gonna have only one girl. 

[03:08:46] Josh: So my point would be this. He's Jeff, sorry, he's not. Like, let's be real, he's not, right?

[03:08:51] Josh: Well, no, no, no, 

[03:08:52] Eldar: no, no. Why are you underestimating us? We're the shit. We're the best podcast in the world. Because 

[03:08:56] Josh: you just said he's stupid. You just said he's stupid. No, no, no, no, no, no. Leave I'm leaving a roof of error. I'm 

[03:09:00] Speaker 6: stupid, but I'm not stupid. Josh, Josh, Josh. You're 99 percent perfect. I just want to say this.

[03:09:05] Speaker 6: Just so you know, there has 

[03:09:06] Speaker 10: been no one walking in here with a nice suit and a Rolex pedaling through it. Just so you know. Got it. I have a Rolex on right 

[03:09:13] Eldar: now. 

[03:09:14] Speaker 10: Watch out. 

[03:09:14] Eldar: But I'm not saying anything, of course, Josh. It'll be 

[03:09:17] Josh: a bad salesman thing.

[03:09:21] Josh: Because totally, totally being, totally being a rough one. 

[03:09:24] Eldar: Yes. 

[03:09:25] Josh: He's a, he's a pain in your butt, though. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. 

[03:09:28] Speaker 6: Classic example. Hold on. Yeah. Mr. 

[03:09:30] Josh: President, hold on, hold on, hold on. Mr. President. Oh, shit. How many girls you wanna have sex with? Oh, wow. Wow. Yo, bring that microphone close to you, 

[03:09:36] Eldar: bro.

[03:09:36] Eldar: Cause right now, you got a smile I've never seen before. Yeah! 

[03:09:41] Josh: Yo. That's little. That's a But he's gonna give it to me raw. Yeah, totally. Giving

[03:09:49] Eldar: you asked Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You gonna ask a tat pole for a testimony? Come on. Yeah. Everybody gets, listen, I'm everybody. My twenties. Yeah. Whatever goes, goes, 

[03:09:58] Harris: man. 

[03:09:58] Josh: My man. That's, that's true. I like when people can, you know, say it like clean out, you know, I'm not 

[03:10:03] Harris: ready to settle down yet. 

[03:10:04] Josh: That's cool.

[03:10:05] Josh: now . Is anybody else above him? Better than him. Has anybody not thought that thought ever anybody better than him? 

[03:10:16] Mike: In what sense? 

[03:10:18] Josh: Never thought that thought. 

[03:10:21] Mike: Yeah. But if you were, uh, we've all been there. If you, we've all Thank you, 

[03:10:24] Josh: Joe. 

[03:10:25] Mike: We've all been there, but, but we've all been there. But do we not progress and become better?

[03:10:29] Mike: I'm not, we're not getting there yet. 

[03:10:30] Josh: We we're, we're we're working there. We're working there. 

[03:10:33] Mike: Isn't that the goal of life? That's one of the goals 

[03:10:35] Josh: for sure. That's one of the goals. But here's my point. We're all that guy. If we had 

[03:10:42] Mike: No, we were. Uh, might've been that guy currently totally said he's down willing to go and go to fuck understanding of the truth.

[03:10:51] Mike: Hopefully is, is, uh, he's a dumb, dumb. He used the wrong word, but what he meant 

[03:10:58] Speaker 6: was, you know, when you get a couple of margaritas in you, you know, room for what? I'm leaving room room for error. But the way, the way that you're talking about it is that like. If you have it in your choice, right, 

[03:11:17] Josh: the foreign sinful human, yes, that's what we are 

[03:11:20] Speaker 6: that yeah, but that yeah But that that is like a proof that you then don't embody the uh, The truth enough that 

[03:11:27] Josh: not denying that either.

[03:11:29] Speaker 6: No, I know but then how could you read like how could you read one thing? have it make you feel a particular way and understand things a particular way, but You would actually prefer to do X, Y, and Z instead. 

[03:11:41] Josh: Because I'm living in this flesh.

[03:11:47] Speaker 6: No, but I understand how that makes sense. What was your question? How could you live in that way? It's like saying that, hey, You can fight 

[03:11:54] Josh: the spirit all you want, but the spirit knows what time it is. 

[03:11:58] Speaker 6: No, no. Your flesh 

[03:11:59] Josh: is impossible to fight. No, 

[03:12:01] Speaker 6: no. The truth that you have inside of you is impossible to fight.

[03:12:04] Speaker 6: That's what I, I just said that. 

[03:12:06] Josh: I just, I literally just said the same thing. 

[03:12:08] Speaker 6: No, but I'm talking about the actual truth. If you have, if you're saying, for example, if, if, if you understand, for example, that compassion is important, right? And you're thinking as an individual. Right. And you're in a moment of thinking you cannot be not compassionate.

[03:12:23] Speaker 6: It's impossible. 

[03:12:25] Mike: The kicker is the moment of thinking. If you're over there throwing back the drinks, you know, partying, clubbing. I get it. I'm there. There's a chance you may do something that doesn't line up with your belief system. I've never seen you 

[03:12:36] Eldar: do those hand gestures, by the way. Yeah. 

[03:12:38] Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't usually do that in the club.

[03:12:40] Speaker 6: In general, if you're a thinking individual, and you come across the truth, and you study it, and you understand it, I don't think that you can do any difference or you can live in a different way. 

[03:12:52] Josh: I agree with you for one guy. Doctor J. That's the only human that ever did that. Why don't you say this? Us.

[03:13:04] Josh: Everyone outside of that. How could you not see that? How could you not That's why I 

[03:13:08] Joe: There is only one guy that did that. 

[03:13:11] Josh: What's 

[03:13:12] Joe: wrong with you? 

[03:13:13] Josh: What is wrong with you? There's plenty of 

[03:13:15] Speaker 6: people here that do it everyday. 

[03:13:17] Josh: Yo, end this podcast man. He just called everybody Jesus. End this podcast. He just 

[03:13:24] Joe: dot dot dot.