159. What is "Success"?

How do small actions contribute to achieving success?

On this week's episode, the hosts delve into the complex notion of success, exploring how personal definitions of success can vary widely and often clash with societal or familial expectations. Through an engaging and candid discussion, they tackle questions about staying optimistic amidst setbacks, handling skepticism from loved ones, and redefining goals to fit a more personal and authentic sense of achievement. The conversation is interspersed with personal anecdotes, including a heartfelt testimony from a participant on his transformative journey in America, highlighting how mindset shifts and genuine conversations can pave the way for true success. Tune in to glean insights on how to cultivate happiness and empowerment in your own life, despite external pressures and challenges.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction and Theme of Success
• 1:40 Mindset and Personal Growth
• 6:05 Defining Success
• 19:25 The Importance of Small Details
• 32:53 Balancing Goals and Reality
• 44:43 Questioning Decisions and Self-Doubt
• 1:12:57 Risk and Research in Decision Making
• 1:27:58 Evaluating the Worth of Education Investments
• 1:34:15 Exploring Alternative Education Programs
• 1:47:29 Dealing with Different Perspectives on Success
• 2:02:17 Handling Criticism and Personal Loss
• 2:16:34 Balancing Personal and External Views of Success
• 2:35:11 Facing Mistakes and Overcoming Fear
• 2:43:05 The Impact of Environment on Behavior
• 2:47:23 Defining Success and Happiness
• 3:05:34 Final Thoughts on Success

Transcript

[00:00:00] Tolis: On this week's episode, every time we talk, there's all the time. One word in my mind, okay, that I want to like dig more. Okay? Success. 

[00:00:13] Eldar: Figure those details out. We become more powerful and we empower ourselves to know it's on me. Now I realize that the power is in my hands. It's not in the world, it's a us.

[00:00:25] Toliy: That's what success is, is like true happiness. And true happiness is guaranteed without any question. If you have those things, it's guaranteed.

[00:00:43] Eldar: All right guys, cause your last week here in America, in America before, uh, and 

[00:00:51] Harris: uh, last podcast. Yeah. Before immigration, sending 'em back, right? 

[00:00:55] Eldar: Yeah, for sure. Um, I guess it's only right for us to dedicate the podcast to you. Cause because you came here for a very specific journey. Uh, this journey's coming to an end.

[00:01:11] Eldar: How you feeling? Now? Give us a testimony. Are you feeling better, worse? Did you learn something? Did you have a new, do you have a new perspective? Um, did you need this? Did it work? Did it, it didn't work? Um, what worked if something did right? And uh, are you looking forward to go back? Right? Um, and if not, yes or no.

[00:01:32] Eldar: And if not, why not Give us something. Carlos, are you 

[00:01:35] Harris: ready to face it on your own? Dude? 

[00:01:39] Tolis: Very good question. Okay. I think something changed. Oh, okay. In my mind. Something changed in your mind. Yeah. And, 

[00:01:45] Toliy: and body. 

[00:01:46] Tolis: Yeah. And body. Yeah. Well, we're not gonna talk about the body part. Don't talk. Yeah. Don't talk about it.

[00:01:50] Tolis: My mind. You 

[00:01:51] Toliy: still let know. 

[00:01:52] Tolis: Yeah. Uh, yeah. The mindset. Yeah. Absolutely. It changed a little bit. The mindset changed, but

[00:02:04] Tolis: I, I can't say everything's fixed, like, oh, for sure. Yeah. I can't say that I, I, I, I can say like, 

[00:02:10] Eldar: my life changed. Okay. Well, the mindset changed. What's, yeah. Which part of the mindset has changed? Do you feel better? 

[00:02:17] Tolis: Yeah. Better. What's better? What do you mean? What's better? 

[00:02:21] Eldar: Better than when you came here First day, second day, one week, first week.

[00:02:26] Eldar: Right. You were definitely in a very specific mindset. At least I remember 

[00:02:30] Harris: you were very depressed and miserable, man. 

[00:02:34] Eldar: Yeah, 

[00:02:34] Tolis: yeah. Yeah. Things changed a little bit. Things changed a little bit. Yeah. For 

[00:02:39] Eldar: the better. 

[00:02:39] Tolis: Yeah. For the better. For the better. Okay. I say like a little bit more optimistic. Like, Hmm. For life.

[00:02:48] Tolis: Yeah. For life. Okay. But are 

[00:02:53] Eldar: you afraid 

[00:02:54] Tolis: to go back? Are you nervous? No. It's, are you 

[00:02:56] Eldar: excited? 

[00:02:58] Tolis: Uh, yeah. I was thinking about this question that I I was sure that you're gonna ask if I'm excited to go back. Yeah. So I guess I can say like 50 50. 

[00:03:10] Eldar: 50 50. Yeah. Okay. So tell us, what are you, what are you excited to go back for and why?

[00:03:16] Eldar: Why are you excited? 

[00:03:18] Tolis: See my friends. Okay. Some of them, but they're still there. 

[00:03:22] Speaker 6: Yeah. 

[00:03:24] Tolis: Some left already, so. 

[00:03:25] Speaker 7: Mm-hmm. Uh.

[00:03:33] Tolis: Start speaking Greek again. 

[00:03:34] Speaker 7: Oh, okay. 

[00:03:35] Tolis: Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's easier for me for sure to express yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can talk like regular, like, so easy, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. English, I have to think a a lot. It's, 

[00:03:44] Eldar: yeah, it's 

[00:03:45] Tolis: harder. It's get easier. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. If I stay here, like, you know. Yeah.

[00:03:49] Tolis: The more you talk Yeah. The more I talk easier to talk. Yeah. Yeah. But still, you know, I'm not there yet. So,

[00:04:00] Tolis: and the most important thing, like, uh, to see what, what's gonna 

[00:04:05] Speaker 7: happen. Hmm. Okay. But I think it's in my hands. Yeah. 

[00:04:15] Tolis: Yeah. Can I say that? Like, 

[00:04:16] Speaker 7: yeah. 

[00:04:16] Eldar: It is in your hands. Like, but now you realize that 

[00:04:20] Tolis: no. Oh, whatever I do is in my hands always. Right? Yeah. Yeah. If I do good, if I do bad. Mm-hmm. Okay. 

[00:04:30] Toliy: But you, you told me, but you didn't believe that before.

[00:04:34] Eldar: Yeah. A lot of times you didn't say that. Right. A lot of times you said, oh, it's the world. Greece is bad. This doesn't work there, this doesn't work there. You know? Now you have a, it sounds like a different mindset. Yeah. Where now it's, it's in your hands. 

[00:04:46] Tolis: Yeah. Yes. I didn't think about when I said in my head.

[00:04:48] Tolis: Yeah, but 

[00:04:50] Eldar: that's a, that's a big 

[00:04:50] Harris: change. He has come a long way, man. Really? He's no longer saying, uh, I don't give a shit about my life. Uh, fucking hell. You know? Mm-hmm. Yeah. I don't care if I die. You know? That's how he, when he came here, this is how he was acting. 

[00:05:05] Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[00:05:06] Harris: My life is shit. Yeah. I haven't heard those words.

[00:05:10] Speaker 7: Mm-hmm. 

[00:05:10] Harris: In a while.

[00:05:15] Speaker 7: Okay. Yeah. All right. 

[00:05:19] Harris: Great talk, 

[00:05:19] Speaker 7: man. Uh, 

[00:05:22] Tolis: all last thought I was like, yeah. You, you were asking me what, what, what's gonna be the topic? Yes. And I was thinking about it. Uhhuh, you know, I got, I, I wrote some questions. Mm-hmm. About like, like every time we talk, whatever, I have to deal with what words says. What society.

[00:05:52] Tolis: Society says. 

[00:05:53] Speaker 6: Yeah. 

[00:05:54] Tolis: Everything. There's all the time. One word in my mind. Okay. That I wanna like, dig more. 

[00:06:03] Speaker 7: Okay. Success. Hmm. Yeah. 

[00:06:10] Toliy: I thought you were gonna say that. Your favorite phrase is, 

[00:06:13] Tolis: oh, hot Don, go. Yeah. Yeah. So, but I want you to, to read the questions maybe. Yeah. Maybe phrase it better for sure. Yeah.

[00:06:24] Tolis: Yeah. Gimme, so 

[00:06:26] Toliy: success is a good topic. 

[00:06:28] Eldar: Topic. Yeah. It is a good topic for sure. 

[00:06:31] Toliy: What is success? 

[00:06:33] Eldar: Wow. You are on your ps and Qs today, aren't you? I 

[00:06:38] Harris: all right, because we did talk briefly about it. 

[00:06:41] Eldar: All right. Yeah. The first one is define success. You guys want to hear all the questions or you just want to hit, hit each one?

[00:06:45] Eldar: Well, well, let's 

[00:06:45] Harris: go each one, one at a time, man. 

[00:06:48] Eldar: All right. Let's go each one at a time then, since you posed a question. Why are you questioning success now? The, the definition that you used to have is starting to change. Uh, are you questioning it? I'm questioning it. You're questioning it? Yeah. Okay. So why don't we start with what you thought success was and what you think success is now.

[00:07:11] Eldar: What'd you think success was when you came here? 

[00:07:15] Eldar: Because you made a lot of examples. 

[00:07:17] Eldar: Uh, 

[00:07:23] Tolis: success for me is like.

[00:07:28] Tommy: Well, you know, in the past, right? Like 

[00:07:30] Eldar: in the past? Yeah. He is gonna say in the past. 

[00:07:32] Tommy: Yeah. 

[00:07:33] Eldar: And then what he thinks now, 

[00:07:35] Tolis: it's not like a total different, like Yeah. In my mind, right now's I told you like it changed a little bit, but not whatever comes crazy. I'm still have questions. Yeah. But we just 

[00:07:44] Eldar: wanna know what, it's important to know what the change 

[00:07:46] Tolis: is.

[00:07:46] Tolis: Yeah. And why, what I'm gonna say is like, maybe still the same. Mm-hmm. Some of this again, let's hear it. Yeah. Okay. Like having a career mm-hmm. And make a good amount of money. Mm-hmm. Okay. Okay. 

[00:08:00] Speaker 7: Mm-hmm. Um, uh,

[00:08:08] Tolis: don't be lazy. Do things in your life. Be try to build things. Mm-hmm. Okay. 

[00:08:13] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:08:14] Tolis: And people see, 

[00:08:16] Eldar: people will notice. 

[00:08:17] Tolis: People will notice. Okay? Mm-hmm. 

[00:08:19] Tommy: Yeah. 

[00:08:20] Tolis: The success, like, okay. 

[00:08:21] Tommy: Yeah. So like, diligence, motivation. 

[00:08:25] Eldar: Hold on one second, Tom. Those are hard words. 

[00:08:27] Tolis: No, I, I understand what that motivation like, would you 

[00:08:29] Tommy: continue to do something, um, efficiently and, uh, when you're motivated, you know, it's kind of, you know, don't be lazy.

[00:08:38] Tommy: Get up. 

[00:08:39] Speaker 7: Yeah. 

[00:08:40] Tommy: Let, let it show, you know, or something like that. Yeah. I, 

[00:08:44] Tolis: yeah. And people will notice. Yeah. And

[00:08:50] Tolis: in a certain timeline in your life. Mm-hmm. To have a family. Okay. To create a family. 

[00:08:58] Speaker 7: Yeah. So 

[00:09:03] Tolis: these, and maybe like one, two more all combined is like success in like, okay, someone be successful. This is what you used 

[00:09:16] Mike: to think, or what you think now. Is this what you think 

[00:09:18] Tolis: now? I used to think like this. Okay.

[00:09:19] Tolis: Okay. Okay. It didn't change like a hundred percent. 

[00:09:25] Harris: Okay. 

[00:09:25] Tolis: But some, some of them changed. 

[00:09:27] Harris: Okay. So what is success now to you? 

[00:09:30] Tolis: Whoa, whoa. Slow down. Harris. I don't know this. I, I want you guys like, still to give me some answers and 

[00:09:39] Harris: All right. I have something stuck in my head. Okay. From everything he just 

[00:09:42] Tolis: listed.

[00:09:42] Tolis: Okay. 

[00:09:44] Harris: One of the first things you said was money, right? Having money, a lot of money is success is, do you still think that? 

[00:09:55] Tolis: No, I didn't say money. 

[00:09:56] Harris: You did say money. Actually, I 

[00:09:57] Tolis: didn't say like, uh, like winning the jackpot and having money. No, I'm 

[00:10:01] Harris: talking about like making good salary. 

[00:10:03] Tolis: Yeah. Have a career and make good amount of money from this.

[00:10:06] Harris: Okay. Do you think, is that something still that's success to you? 

[00:10:10] Tolis: I think,

[00:10:14] Tolis: uh, money, not, not that much, but a career. Yeah. It's okay. It's still like a thing because 

[00:10:20] Harris: the money thing started clicking because me and you actually had a conversation about this. 

[00:10:24] Eldar: Uh, I don't remember, but you can enlighten this, 

[00:10:28] Harris: right? Because I used to think, right? You make all good money, you know, six figures.

[00:10:34] Harris: Mm-hmm. You're set, you know you're living life good. Right? You still think that? No, I'm learning to live with what I have. 

[00:10:42] Speaker 6: Okay. 

[00:10:43] Harris: All right. Um, 'cause I used to go, oh, I look at my friends, you know, they're making all this money. They're driving these fancy ass fucking cars. They're living the best life. And you used to say, well, how do you think, how do you know they're enjoying it?

[00:10:59] Harris: Uh, you know, it could be all be a front. You don't know what's going on in their life. And that's when Eldar brought to me, like, uh, when you come to work, do you enjoy yourself? Do you like being around the people you're around? And in a way, you said, and technically you're rich, right? You're living the rich life.

[00:11:17] Harris: Yeah. Because you're living a good life. You're enjoying what you're doing, you know? Technically it's not, the world's not all about money. I always thought that like, oh man, I need to make six figures. I need to make decent amount. But I also had people, people that talk in my ear saying, yo, you know, here in America people go to work and none of them like their jobs.

[00:11:39] Harris: That's just the way it is. You work for a paycheck, you don't work to, because you enjoy something. You know, you work for a paycheck. So in my, in ELD a's words, life is not all about money, man. Don't always chase it. 

[00:11:54] Eldar: Well said Harris. I can expand on it a little bit if you want. 

[00:11:58] Toliy: I have one thing to add as well.

[00:12:00] Eldar: Okay. 

[00:12:02] Toliy: Um, part of I think also like, um, like success or money or like, just like, um, in general, anything I think more importantly is like, um, putting yourself to being the freedom to to, to choose. Right? And, um, a lot of people don't put themselves in that kind of position where they're doing something that they don't like, but it's something that they need to do.

[00:12:25] Toliy: For example, they feel, or maybe they're committed to particular things and they have to do things. 

[00:12:30] Eldar: Can you expand on the responsibility part? On, on, 

[00:12:33] Toliy: on, 

[00:12:34] Eldar: on what there's a reason for that, right? Because maybe they have responsibilities. For example, they started a family early. Yeah. 

[00:12:39] Toliy: They started a family maybe prematurely.

[00:12:41] Toliy: Right. 

[00:12:43] Eldar: Had 

[00:12:43] Toliy: kids. Yeah. Had had kids or particular obligations. Right. Um, he's saying is that, um, 

[00:12:52] Eldar: the freedom to choose, right? To do something, to not do something, have that choice. The, the power to have that choice is part of success, right? Because if, for example, if you have responsibilities for your kids, right?

[00:13:06] Eldar: If you have kids, two, three kids or whatever, right? And bills are due, right? You have to put food on the table, you have to pay the rent, you have to pay the utility bills, right? That constraint becomes a lot harder, right? You got a lot more pressure to make sure that they're fed, make sure everything's fine.

[00:13:24] Eldar: Make sure you don't get kicked outta the house. So your choices, right, for freedom to choose, become a lot more limited. Versus if you didn't have that right, you still obviously can Yeah. Probably choose and change your life and fight for it. It's just gonna be a lot harder. It's just gonna be a little bit harder.

[00:13:42] Eldar: Like, for example, Harris is a young guy who's single who lives at home. 

[00:13:46] Harris: And that's also why my parents always said, do not have kids until you know you're at where, where you want to be in life. Right. You know, you got the career you've been chasing, you got all this. They always used to say that, but unfortunately, uh, we all know life can happen and everything can change very quickly.

[00:14:08] Eldar: Next thing you know, you're swallowing four dicks and you have kids, and what is wrong 

[00:14:11] Harris: with you, bro? You six, so bitch, sorry. But, uh, yes. You know, uh, cousin, what I'll say now is find out what you wanna do, chase the dream while you can, and, you know, 

[00:14:24] Eldar: try to tie into what you're tr what, what totally was trying to say is the fact that you Harris right now mm-hmm.

[00:14:29] Eldar: Because I'm in a 

[00:14:30] Harris: place where I 

[00:14:31] Speaker 10: You're in a position right now. Yeah. I don't have the responsibilities. If he doesn't like to work here, he has the choice to go. Yes. You know, he has that freedom. 

[00:14:40] Harris: Right. I just, I'm choosing to stay because I enjoy what I'm doing. You, that's right. Right. Let's put it this way.

[00:14:45] Harris: Right. You're still living at home. You have the ability to go find what you're passionate about and go full force. You don't have kids, you don't have family, you don't have, you know, a family. You don't have a wife who's not tied down. No. She's able to come here for three months. Now it's the time cousin.

[00:15:02] Harris: When you go back to Greece, you need to sit down, no matter how long it takes, and think what do I wanna do with my life? And find out what you really love. And when I go full force on it. Try everything in your power. Talk to your cousin for advice, talk to us for advice. That's it. You gotta go full force while you can.

[00:15:21] Harris: Don't just go back to the bar that you are so miserable at because you know you're making money and all that. Because at the end of the day, making money and buying the new graphics card, it's not gonna cut it. You know? I mean, you were miserable, right? Would you rather do something miserable for the rest of your life and make a good money or do something you love?

[00:15:43] Harris: Right? That might be possibly less money. Wow. But it could be more money down the road, or would you rather chase the more money at this moment? Because you said bartending, right? It's one of the highest paying jobs in Greece. 

[00:15:56] Tolis: Yeah. 

[00:15:57] Harris: Would you rather go chase that highest paying job or find something you like and make a little less?

[00:16:02] Eldar: Yeah, that's a good point. All right. Totally. You want to expend more on what you were trying to say? Yeah. 

[00:16:09] Toliy: You know, I was just saying that like, I think when, when, when you look at success, we're, we're talking about like have having a choice in things, right? And a choice in what you do, how you spend your day.

[00:16:22] Toliy: Um, like, yeah, just it's like o overall, like everything that you do and your everyday life, especially during the week, is like the majority of your life, right? So if you're doing something that you don't like, that's like five days outta the week, that like, you're pretty much living like a bad life, right?

[00:16:42] Toliy: Um, and then you have the weekend to, so I guess like enjoy yourself or maybe release some stress and then you go back to what you don't like again. And like this is a full cycle. And I think the older that you get, the more of these responsibilities that we're talking about that you get, the harder it is to change, like anything about it, right?

[00:17:01] Toliy: So when we're talking about someone who's successful, I think one, they have the option to choose how their day, uh, looks like and what they actually do. And then I think maybe a next level of that. Is when they could, don't get excited, Tom. They can ex express themselves, uh, creatively too, like within that.

[00:17:20] Toliy: Right? So like, if there's something that you already are enjoying doing and then you try to figure out like, what can you, what can you do further, like in that field, 

[00:17:29] Eldar: you know, to make it more fun. 

[00:17:31] Toliy: Yeah. To make it more, more fun, 

[00:17:32] Eldar: more enjoyable. Yeah. You know? Right. Then you're really like, wow, I'm getting paid for this.

[00:17:38] Eldar: I like it. And you can be also creative and you constantly kept expanding. 

[00:17:42] Toliy: Yeah. 'cause like, the, uh, freedom or like, like, like the ability or the inability to use your time is kind of like, like, like a very big potential like enslavement for, for people, right. Where like they feel like they're slaves or they feel like they can't do anything that, that they want.

[00:18:03] Toliy: And I think the, uh, decisions that you make now will heavily influence that. Whether they, you're doing what you actually like, whether you're actually making an impact in what you do, whether you're enjoying it now, and how you're going to pave like the rest of your life. You know, 

[00:18:19] Eldar: it's a very good point.

[00:18:21] Eldar: Very good point. I also wanted to add, um, regarding success is that, um, there's general success and there's, um, very focused success, right? And I think that a lot of times, a lot of us, right, a lot of people in the world, right? They wanna talk about the general success. Now, I'll give you an example of Harris, right?

[00:18:43] Eldar: In general, Harris would like to become a better salesman. He'd like to close more deals, okay? And he might be looking at that as the end goal, right? And might be focusing on that. But the truth of the matter is. Right. There's very small. If you really zoom in on the way he does things like me and totally can definitely attest to this, whoever's paying attention, Mike as well to Harris's behavior on the phone, on the chat.

[00:19:08] Eldar: Right. We clearly see where Harris is dropping the ball, right? In one area where he drops the ball is where he gets, starts getting scared, starts getting shaky, right? He becomes nervous because the person, for example, is giving him an objection about price. So he gets very scared, right? So if you zoom in on this type of, um, detail, you can find that his success is cl his general success is clearly linked to a very small zoomed in area where if he improved on this, he'll do a lot better.

[00:19:42] Eldar: And that's what you actually should be succeeding in these small areas in your life where you're not happy about. 

[00:19:49] Toliy: Yeah. And like I I, I've, I, I feel like a common, um, like a common thing that people struggle with seeing is that the people who are not successful mm-hmm. They're asking the successful pe people are looking for big changes to like make or big, big things to do and general things too.

[00:20:06] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. Where the people who are successful, they're usually preaching a small thing where the person who's unsuccessful is like, like, what's gonna change if I just do this small thing? Yeah. But the person who's successful has already like been there and done that, and they know how big that small chain, that that thing that you view as small right now, how big of an impact and like how many hands it has tied into everything else as you want.

[00:20:30] Toliy: Correct. So the person who's not successful is always looking for something that the successful person can't give them or tell them, or like have them do because they'll always give advice in, in those small details. 

[00:20:43] Eldar: And I wanted to bring these small details to, to, to focus because it's all, I think, I personally think it's all in the small details.

[00:20:51] Eldar: And today when you want on the chat, right? Harris fucked up in the chat with a client, right? He knew he fucked up, but he kind of didn't know where and what We sat down and we picked it apart with Toley and we showed him line by line where, because of the way he is as a person, right? He responded this way and that drove that client away.

[00:21:11] Eldar: Okay? So after we've explained to him, he is like, oh, I get it now. It all starts to make sense that because of the way he is, he's communicating this way with the world and the world will reflect exactly how it's supposed to reflect based on who you are. Okay? So if you change yourself, the world will start acting in accordance to that change.

[00:21:39] Eldar: It has no choice. That's why I'm explaining to him that it's in these small details. If you actually pay attention to how we speak, how we carry ourselves, right? The biggest differences are gonna happen in the world. So to me, when it comes to defining success, this distinction is very big, right? You say, Hey, career, I say, no, your speech, right?

[00:22:04] Eldar: Your attitude, right? You're like, career. I'm like, no. It's how you act at how you present yourself. How do you write your resume? How do you present this resume to the boss? How you speak with the boss? That's what's the difference, right? In those small little details. And when we figure those details out, we become more powerful and we empower ourselves to know what you said earlier, like, it's on me now.

[00:22:29] Eldar: I realize that the power is in my hands. It's not in the world who's so negative, right? It's an us 

[00:22:37] Tommy: because I have a question for you. Yes. Because I wasn't here to discuss, uh, your, your plan, like what comes next, right? But I listened to the podcast and I worked myself in a restaurant for. Like the longest job that I ever held.

[00:22:55] Tommy: And, um, my career wasn't moving. But I liked that environment. I liked how it moved fast. I liked interacting with new people. I liked, you know, greeting people and, you know, creating a welcoming experience for them. But now for me, I, you know, I'm creative. I'm creative and I wanna write. And like, what I've noticed in my experiences, um, is that there are times when like, I'm tired, I'm feeling depressed and I don't wanna, like, I don't wanna do something, but I push forward because I know that if I don't do this, then it doesn't, it doesn't move forward for me.

[00:23:36] Tommy: I'm wondering, basically, in your experience with working in the islands, right, has there ever been a time where, where you said, okay, you know, I can maybe push this a little bit more, but you feel some doubt, like maybe you don't know if you should, may, you know, maybe there's some way potential for you for growth.

[00:23:57] Tommy: Right? That's what I'm talking about. Is there some You feel, for me, when, where I worked in the restaurant, there was no potential for growth. It was done. You know, people didn't, my managers didn't care about me, you know, and, you know, I'm just wondering, you know, do you feel there's a time where you, where you can say, you know, maybe something can be done about this, but maybe you're distracted, you don't know how to, you don't know how to talk to your boss for more money, or, I don't know.

[00:24:26] Tolis: No, I had no doubt about myself. When I started, I was younger and the excitement was big for me. I enjoyed the, the same things that, that you enjoyed greeting people, meeting new people. Okay. 

[00:24:40] Speaker 6: Yeah. 

[00:24:41] Tolis: If I posted more, I could be like, go in a higher position. Mm-hmm. But still in a restaurant, like probably a manager or whatever, but.

[00:24:53] Tolis: What what I learned in the meanwhile is like, I don't like being in a restaurant. I wanna, I don't wanna go do this. I don't like it just like excitement. Like when, when, uh, you go to a relationship with a girl mm-hmm. The first month you don't love you. It is just like, you know, it's excitement for ga you, you, it's like, you understand what I'm saying?

[00:25:16] Tolis: Okay. It's excitement, 

[00:25:17] Eldar: it's lust, it's honeymoon. It's like you go on a honeymoon. 

[00:25:21] Tolis: Yeah. It's 

[00:25:21] Eldar: like first couple of months you don't 

[00:25:22] Tolis: know each other. Yeah. So you just leaving the Yeah. After a while you understand what you want. 

[00:25:28] Eldar: You did a really good job in the beginning, lying to each other and both people.

[00:25:32] Tommy: Right, 

[00:25:33] Tolis: right. Yeah. 

[00:25:33] Tommy: And now you realize that you're with someone you hate kind. 

[00:25:36] Tolis: No. Yeah. So, so my job was the same thing. The first years was like, just excitement. I enjoyed everything. Mm-hmm. The drinks, the things and everything. The fun and what the people 

[00:25:45] Tommy: around you bring you down. I don't like your people you work with.

[00:25:50] Tommy: I can't, maybe you don't know. Do you know anyone there? Like, are you close to anyone there? Or, you know, do you feel isolated to too alone to be there at this point? You know, like you're being bullied or bullied by your boss or, I don't know. 

[00:26:03] Tolis: No, no. They never bullied, man. Tom, you're trying to take us on a different path.

[00:26:07] Tolis: No, curious. Because look, because here's the thing, 

[00:26:10] Tommy: I feel alone, right? When I, you know, I feel like, um, my energy is spent and I don't know, my experience is different clearly, you know, but now I feel like I'm under an umbrella. I'm doing something that I really do care about. So, you know, these things, they, they all make sense.

[00:26:28] Tommy: Whatever I do, I, it makes sense. But sometimes I need a little push to continue doing the thing that I started doing. I started writing a book and I've f I've found that multiple times I feel stuck. I don't know what to do, but I just have to get back to doing reading and continue the process that that's required.

[00:26:48] Tommy: So what I feel when I do that is that. I overcome with self-determination, like I overcome with this control to continue repeating, doing the stuff, um, because I feel the results and it just continues. I have good results. Sometimes that's not, it's not feeling great in my life, but I know the things that I do gave me good results.

[00:27:10] Tommy: So I continue and I push forward, forward. And it, it's not the same as it was before because the work evolves. It, it improves. So like I, I read more books and these books inspire me, you know, I have more things to talk about. And I, you know, and I, um, I think, I think it's a great experience. So it's interesting to me because what it means is that I am growing, uh, that I need to maybe acknowledge more of the positive that comes into my life.

[00:27:43] Tommy: And that's, that's a challenge for me, you know? Um, so yeah, I wonder because that's a path of growth for me. I, I look at that as a path of growth. If you need like, to meet more something, uh, more like, like, like maybe you just really do need a little bit more money or, or actually, you know, what you would do with more money, right?

[00:28:07] Tommy: So like, I'm not talking about need, you know, I don't, I barely make any money, but I'm happy. Um, I just think, uh, how, how would you word this when you, uh, when you, well, you have a goal, right? Let's say, let's just say it's a goal to, to earn a certain amount of money, and then you go down into it like the elder says, and find those like, specific things that you do.

[00:28:33] Tommy: So what is your question, Tom? Question is, is that, my question is have you really spent, um, I mean, have you, have you now learned that you really dis do, do not like this environment and there's, um, given, given now that where you are. Can you, can you potentially find some, play, some, uh, inroad, you know, can you see a path through the islands?

[00:28:59] Tommy: You understand or no? 

[00:29:01] Harris: I don't even 

[00:29:01] Tolis: understand. I understand. He just said now, no question. I don't understand. I'm just saying like, he's asking you every meeting. I'm in the bar. I hate it. 

[00:29:09] Eldar: Okay. But now is that answering, now that things cer certain things change your perspective maybe has changed? Do you find yourself maybe you could find a different route in the same job?

[00:29:19] Eldar: In the same job? No. Okay. No, I hate you. That's your answer. 

[00:29:21] Tolis: I don't feel, I, I feel okay. Yeah. Oh my God, that was woo. 

[00:29:26] Eldar: Well, listen, this long-winded, but that's Tom. Tom is very good at it. 

[00:29:31] Tommy: Yeah. And Harris is very good at, you know. 

[00:29:33] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:29:33] Tommy: What 

[00:29:34] Harris: is the fuck? Is that? 

[00:29:35] Tommy: Yeah, that was 

[00:29:36] Harris: gay, bro. What the hell is he trying to say, bro?

[00:29:39] Harris: That's some sick shit. Look at that. He already has one ear, 

[00:29:41] Tommy: ear, uh, headphone off. Now I wearing my headphones within 10 minutes. The other one's coming off too. 

[00:29:46] Harris: No, bro, my ears are just getting very fucking hot. 

[00:29:49] Eldar: So, cause do you get some more clarity about success based on what we said? 

[00:29:55] Tolis: Yeah, but I had a, a very different thought.

[00:29:59] Tolis: I want, I wanna talk to you like, uh, like there's no successful guy. Sure. Okay. Yeah. But achieving your goals mm-hmm. Is success. Okay. So you put goals, you're achieving them. Yeah. Not necessarily 

[00:30:16] Eldar: because the goals can be, uh, wrong goals. Yeah. They might be detrimental to your health. They might be detrimental to your family.

[00:30:23] Eldar: They might be detrimental to a lot of the things that are going on that actually make you happy. So just because you set up a goal, right? You said, I'm gonna make $5 million a year, and you go towards that goal, you might get sick while doing it because it requires so much work. It requires so much attention.

[00:30:40] Eldar: You might have reached it, but at what expense? Yeah. So it doesn't necessarily mean just because you're reaching your goals, right? It means that you're successful. 

[00:30:51] Harris: Okay. I wanna add something to that, right? 

[00:30:53] Eldar: Okay. 

[00:30:54] Harris: Cousin, I, I had that, I worked like that fucking and LDS trying to help me change that where right when I worked at the airport, for instance, right?

[00:31:05] Harris: I tried to make work as many hours as I could. A lot of times I worked on my days off, and I would, I would get sick, but I'd work through the sickness until one time I got extremely fucking sick. And my boss is like, you, you look like fucking death. You need to go home, bro. You need to stop. I said, no, no, no, I'm fine.

[00:31:23] Harris: I'm gonna work fucking through this. And we got through half the day and I was literally sitting there and my eyes were looking like they were gonna fucking shut. And at this point, my, my boss told me, he goes, I, I'm calling an ambulance. And because I literally looked like I was gonna fucking croak, and this is how I worked for two years straight.

[00:31:42] Harris: I worked as much as I could. I was dating someone at the time. Problem was, we ended up, uh, breaking up because number one, I was not paying a lot of attention to her because all I cared about was how much money I was making, and I wanted to make as much as possible. Okay? That's number one. All right? And my boss called the ambulance.

[00:32:03] Harris: I ended up going to the hospital. It turned out I had a upper respiratory infection, which the doctor said it is a good thing. I came in when I did because it could have turned into pneumonia, bronchitis, and I could have died. I was on antibiotics for two weeks straight, couldn't work. If I would've went home when my boss told me or used my fucking brain, I probably wouldn't have gotten to that fucking point.

[00:32:29] Harris: But the point is, I. Don't focus on the money, don't work your fucking ass off. Because in the end it's just gonna end bad. Those are the people that end up having heart attacks and all that shit and end up dying early. 

[00:32:42] Eldar: Uh, 'cause my point was to make sure, that's a good point too. Don't focus too much on the money because that goal of money can definitely drive you crazy and drive your health to the ground.

[00:32:53] Eldar: But the point, the whole point is that sometimes we do a very bad job at creating goals in the first place. We are unrealistic when it comes to them, right? Instead of saying that, you know what, I want to get a job that's well paying and I'll move from there. Right? We don't say that. We don't say, let me get a job that's $60,000.

[00:33:13] Eldar: No. We say we want a quarter of a million dollars. We want 250,000. You know, we don't set realistic goals, and when we don't set realistic goals, we start to drive ourselves crazy. We start to go off those timelines or do the things that Harris was doing, driving himself completely to the ground because he was chasing only the money, right?

[00:33:31] Eldar: So part of success, I think, is being realistic and proper when it comes to setting goals. I'll give you an example right now. Me and totally we're working on ways to expend the business, right? And through talking, right, we're finding out that there's so many different ways and so many different avenues that we can go when it comes to making the business bigger, right?

[00:33:57] Eldar: However, it's gonna require a certain amount of energy. If we go this way, if we go that way, go that way, there's gonna be different results, you know? So by evaluating all these things to see what the requirements are, I think is gonna bring us closer to understanding what it's gonna take. Can we do it?

[00:34:16] Eldar: And then when you have a realistic goal, you go towards it slowly chipping away, you feel good, you don't feel bad about it, you know, and you slowly extract the. The good feelings and successes that you set out to do more realistic, you know, it's a very difficult thing to do, you know? Yeah. But what you, you are describing, uh, what you're describing is very complicated, what you just said.

[00:34:38] Eldar: Sure. But nonetheless, I think it's, it's, it's super important to talk about. Well, that's why I, that's 

[00:34:43] Mike: why I brought it up. Yeah. Because I think it's, what you're saying is it's not imp the success Yeah. Is obviously important, but it's not as important as how you get there. Yeah. That is, and I think a lot of times people generally are willing to, uh, get towards 

[00:35:02] Eldar: success and sacrifice everything.

[00:35:05] Eldar: That is a big problem. Yeah. Right? Oh, I wanna lose weight, right? Mm-hmm. You know, start waking up early and running and stuff like that, you know? Mm-hmm. You start running nonstop and you don't pay attention. You are wearing the wrong shoes this whole time. You fucked up your knees, you fucked up your ankles, you know?

[00:35:21] Eldar: So what we're saying is that by doing one thing, you might be breaking another, and you don't even know that you might be doing this, but you're doing it right for Harris. Right. Um, the way he's doing the deals right now, he might be pushing certain clients, he might be lying to certain clients. He might get the deals, but in turn, what kind of person will he become?

[00:35:44] Eldar: Right. That's why we keep reiterating, Hey, be nice. You know, be polite, give good customer service, be there for clients, right. Because you don't wanna Sure. Make more money, but then lose yourself in the process. That's not gonna be success. Right. And then what's gonna happen is that you set the wrong goals, you chase them, you accomplish those goals, and they sup and you yourself supposed to say, I did it, you know, I finished this goal, but inside you are like, oh, shit, 

[00:36:13] Eldar: I'm not happy.

[00:36:15] Eldar: What happened? You 

[00:36:18] Eldar: understand? 

[00:36:18] Tolis: Yeah. But you have to put goals in your life. 

[00:36:21] Eldar: Mm-hmm. You can't 

[00:36:22] Tolis: live without goals. We have a whole 

[00:36:25] Eldar: podcast on this. You need a plan, right? We have a whole podcast on goals. Like you 

[00:36:29] Harris: can have a plan, but it doesn't have to be a set of goals. Like Yeah. But the 

[00:36:32] Tolis: plan is seven goals every time.

[00:36:34] Toliy: Yeah. But it's a very hard, like, like for example, um,

[00:36:42] Toliy: it's very hard to set proper 

[00:36:44] Speaker 7: goals if you're not a proper person,

[00:36:50] Speaker 7: right? Because like, 

[00:36:51] Toliy: if you're, for example, 

[00:36:54] Tolis: like EE easy words, what? Don't, don't go like crazy. Like, like, um, think about it before, 

[00:37:02] Toliy: like for example, if you don't, if you're not like good at something or if you don't understand how things work, usually those are the people that set the most goals. And usually the people that fail at the most goals is these kinds of people who don't do them properly or don't achieve them to begin with, right?

[00:37:21] Toliy: Or who sacrifice things to get them and then they're unhappy like later. So it's oftentimes the people that are making these types of goals or the people that make the most amount of goals are usually like, I dunno, let's just say dumb people, right? So like, if you're not dumb people 

[00:37:38] Eldar: when they, when they play dumb games, they'll win dumb pri they'll win dumb prizes.

[00:37:41] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. Like, it, it's like to, to say that like, like how many people have goals and how many people are just wrong about the goals that they're setting to begin with, or they don't know how to properly get them, right? So it's like, if you're not competent about what you're talking about or what you're making goals around, right?

[00:38:03] Toliy: Then how could you be making these goals to begin with? You're just probably setting yourself up for failure. 

[00:38:11] Eldar: And, and the, the proof is in the pudding. What which means? Cause that if you go and survey your friends, right? You say, what were your goals five years ago? 10 years ago? Say, oh, I wanted, you know, to be successful, get a great job, have a wife, kids, and all this shit.

[00:38:26] Eldar: They're all gonna give you probably the same thing. Have a Ferrari or whatever, you know, no 

[00:38:30] Tolis: small goals, I mean, small goals at the time. Okay. 

[00:38:32] Eldar: But no, but a lot of times we don't operate that way. A lot of times we operate on big goals. 

[00:38:36] Tolis: No, 

[00:38:37] Harris: go big or go home. That's a saying. Everyone says. I'm 

[00:38:40] Tolis: saying the path to success is having a plan and to achieve the plan you need, like put small goals every time.

[00:38:47] Toliy: Yeah. But how can you even create a plan if you're not, like, like if you're not a successful person, how can you create, you 

[00:38:54] Tolis: don't know if, if you're gonna achieve the plan, you just know you need to do something. You, you need to have something to fight. Why? Because then you are, you are lost. You don't know what to do with your life.

[00:39:11] Tolis: You need, like, 

[00:39:12] Eldar: but what if your, what if your goal, what if your one goal was to try to find out like, one, right? Like, I don't know what is going on. Right? And you go and become curious about the world as to say, like, yeah, 

[00:39:23] Tolis: that's a goal also. Yes. 

[00:39:25] Eldar: Well, I think that's a very, uh, it's a much easier goal to handle, right?

[00:39:29] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:39:29] Toliy: Yeah. 'cause I feel like most of the goals that people make, and once you make that goal, you create a, like a bomb. And that's a ticking bomb. That ticks, 

[00:39:39] Speaker 5: right? 

[00:39:40] Toliy: Yeah. It, it, it keeps ticking. Eventually it's gonna explode, right? Because the moment you make that goal, you probably have now created some kind of attachment or some kind of like process or plan that you're already executing, 

[00:39:55] Eldar: but Oh, you still think you're executing.

[00:39:57] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:39:57] Toliy: Yeah. And how many people have the right people around them to be like, Hey, do, like, this doesn't make sense,

[00:40:05] Toliy: here's why. Or like, you know. This doesn't make sense. Or that you go for one 

[00:40:09] Eldar: year, two years, three years. Like you went, right? You went to the islands and you said, I have a goal. You spent six, seven years there. No, I had the plan. 

[00:40:17] Tolis: You had the plan? I had the plan. 

[00:40:18] Speaker 6: Okay. 

[00:40:19] Tolis: Go work there. Yeah. Save as minus like 2, 3, 4 years.

[00:40:24] Tolis: Yeah. Save all this. Mm-hmm. And then maybe move somewhere. Do something. And what happened? And what happened 

[00:40:31] Eldar: every time you went, you said it did not work. Yeah. Be Why? 

[00:40:36] Tolis: The first years I was like just enjoying Okay. My life. Very good. As a young person, of course. Okay. Okay. Very good. Wait, wait, wait, wait. 

[00:40:44] Toliy: But, but before you did that, did you say, okay, yeah.

[00:40:47] Toliy: First four years. Yeah, I'm gonna make the money, spend all of it. Just enjoy myself. Doesn't matter. Did you have that inside your plan or did you say, no, I'm gonna go there. Save. But what ended up happening? 

[00:40:57] Tolis: No, I didn't know what's gonna happen there. 

[00:41:00] Toliy: But did you make expectations? 

[00:41:01] Tolis: You did. Yeah. So you just said this?

[00:41:03] Tolis: Yeah. 

[00:41:04] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:41:04] Tolis: The first year. Okay. Okay. I said like, okay, I went there, I saw what's going, what's happening. And I say, okay, maybe push it back a little bit. Yeah. Two, three years. Yeah. Okay. Relax, enjoy what you have. Yeah. And then you do that. Okay. But I stopped doing the crazy life. Yeah. Okay. 

[00:41:25] Eldar: Yeah. And you made made a new goal?

[00:41:27] Tolis: No. To do it again, the same goal. Same goal, but okay. You enjoy it. Mm-hmm. You did what you did in two, three years. Okay. Yeah. Now back to the main, back to the plan. Yeah. 

[00:41:37] Tommy: Can I just say that's a pretty big plan? Hold on one second to say two, three years. I'm gonna go and enjoy it. No he didn't. He didn't say that, Tom.

[00:41:43] Tommy: That's the how I went. One second. My God, 

[00:41:45] Eldar: there's a point here. Go After you finished playing, what happened? 

[00:41:51] Tolis: I said, okay, let's go back to the plan. Mm-hmm. And save. And what happened? Two, three. It wasn't fun anymore, so I had to to find fun. By spending money. There 

[00:42:04] Eldar: you go. When you originally, what totally said, created this plan, did you know these factors?

[00:42:10] Eldar: Did you know that this was gonna happen to you in those moments? No, this is what he's talking about. You don't understand the variables that are gonna play in your life that might not care about your plan. Your plan is one thing, but life in reality is another. But I, I think it's, 

[00:42:32] Mike: yeah. Yeah. I think it's like, uh, the way I was thinking about it is that people make plans of who they want themselves to be.

[00:42:39] Mike: Well, not who they actually are. Of course. So if you say like, Hey, I'm gonna be the serious guy, gonna lose weight, I'm gonna start exercising and I'm gonna wake up at 6:00 AM But for 25 years of your life, you go to sleep at 2:00 AM every day. Right. And he 

[00:42:51] Eldar: goes to the, to snack in the middle of the night in, 

[00:42:54] Mike: in the pantry.

[00:42:55] Mike: Peanut butter with Yeah. And leave it open with bananas and 

[00:42:58] Harris: leave it 

[00:42:58] Mike: open. Yeah. You are making goals for somebody that you're not, it's not imp. It's like you say, okay, I'm gonna run tomorrow five kilometers. What? But you never run in your life. Your body doesn't do that. So you're making, and this is just like a very simple example, obviously, but we make a lot of goals.

[00:43:12] Mike: I'm gonna save money, but you never save a dollar in your life for 30 years. So when you, how do you all of a sudden overnight become a saver? You've never been a saver. 

[00:43:21] Eldar: You're not gonna be a saver, but you need to go correct Mike. What you need to do is right. You need to go and find out, how do I start saving money?

[00:43:29] Eldar: You didn't do that. You said, I'm gonna start saving money. Mike said you didn't go to school to learn how to save money, how to do it properly. But that's because 

[00:43:38] Mike: you never went to school to qualify who you actually are. You never sit down. Okay, 

[00:43:41] Speaker 6: yeah. 

[00:43:41] Mike: This is my plan. I'm gonna start running, start saving money, uh, start eating right.

[00:43:46] Mike: Uh, I eat junk food every day. I spend money every day, and I haven't been in the gym in 20 years. How can you make a plan that is complete opposite of who you are to actually are who you've been for your whole life? 

[00:43:57] Eldar: That's 

[00:43:57] Speaker 6: right. 

[00:43:58] Mike: You are like, you're trying to be a teacher. Without any education. Like, it's impossible.

[00:44:05] Mike: You don't know who you are, or generally people who make these kind of plans, they didn't know who they are. So they're making plans for fucking, I don't know, Elon Musk. Yeah. But you, you are, you're nobody but you making plans like Elon Musk, disciplined guy or hardworking, working 20 hours a day, it's unrealistic.

[00:44:25] Mike: So the problem is you don't know yourself. We don't know ourselves, and we visualize, fantasize to be somebody that we, not just because we went to sleep at night and now we wake up as this hungry, motivated guy. That is why plans fail and 

[00:44:41] Eldar: goals fail. That's why all of this stuff fails. And then you come crawling back.

[00:44:45] Eldar: Right. And saying that I don't wanna make decisions anymore. 

[00:44:47] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:44:48] Eldar: All my decisions were incorrect. Mm-hmm. I'm completely off 

[00:44:52] Mike: because you're making decisions like, uh, this was what happened. Like, uh, like somebody else, like you Couldna. Ronaldo. Yeah. But you, yeah. You are nobody. Yeah. You don't have the discipline, the drive or the, you don't to do that.

[00:45:05] Mike: You don't what he does or what he did. You don't, yeah. I mean, we don't obviously know his story, but Yeah. 

[00:45:10] Eldar: You know, this is just an example. We're not putting cdo Ronaldo, who's just a mediocre soccer player on the pedestal. Here, 

[00:45:16] Mike: guys. No, 

[00:45:17] Eldar: come on. You know, just gimme two years with a soccer ball, 

[00:45:19] Harris: please. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[00:45:21] Harris: What was that hand slap, bro? What was this? 

[00:45:25] Tolis: It was say, say it. 

[00:45:30] Harris: This is the podcast, bro. When you got something on your mind, you spit it together. You don't even watch 

[00:45:34] Tolis: soccer guys. You never see So him play, because where we're I'm talking shit. Okay. 

[00:45:40] Eldar: Yeah. Why? I know that Christiana Ronaldo's supposed to be like Michael Jordan of soccer.

[00:45:44] Eldar: I know this. Oh yeah. I'm talking shit to press a very specific button. Why are you getting 

[00:45:49] Harris: so frustrated over there? No, I met, 

[00:45:51] Eldar: man, 

[00:45:52] Toliy: that's a good question. Yeah. Why 

[00:45:53] Mike: are you getting so frustrated, man, 

[00:45:55] Toliy: over a guy you never met? 'cause it's disrespecting the things that he respects. 

[00:45:59] Harris: Oh, but it's okay to disrespect he Eddie, man, it's okay to disrespect Eddie until man's, he's on his fucking sandwich.

[00:46:06] Harris: You know, disrespect the culture. You know, 

[00:46:08] Mike: you setting the goals off of people you admire, which is takes away your own power to like, believe in yourself. Mickey. Understand who you, you're Mickey Manno 

[00:46:16] Speaker 10: ain't gonna pay my fucking bills, man. Who 

[00:46:19] Eldar: ain't gonna pay your rent? No. LeBron James is not gonna pay our rent.

[00:46:23] Eldar: That Mickey man, Carter McGregor is not gonna pay our rent. Eli fucking Manning ain't gonna pay my rent. Elon Musk or Donald Trump's not gonna pay our rent. 

[00:46:31] Tommy: I feel like I but Tommy Keenan understand. I can't hear you told this is I can I, I feel like I can understand some of your, of course you can. Your your struggle.

[00:46:39] Tommy: And if I can call it that, oh, it's not that serious. Let's 

[00:46:42] Eldar: relate. 

[00:46:43] Tommy: Is that okay for me to call it a struggle? Yeah. I appreciate your struggle downtown and, and what I like from what I've, you know, what I, what I've experienced is, um, about you is for, you know, the last couple of months I've seen you here, you know, you, you're kind, you are thoughtful.

[00:46:59] Tommy: Um, you express yourself. You know, you don't, you don't care what the guys think about you eating peanut butter and bananas. And they, they, you know, you have a personality. Uh, you know, you, you can take joy in things. I think you love 'em, man. Like being part of this, this group. Give him a fucking case. You like being a part of, of a group of friends, of cool guys.

[00:47:19] Tommy: And these are my best friends. So, and that brings me pleasure. And when we were together, you know, like I already know that when you're gone, we're all gonna miss you. You know, when you leave, we're all gonna think this was a good time. We're all gonna, I think we all agree. Um, and like, is this where you ask him for Mario?

[00:47:37] Tommy: For me, yeah. In my experience, how I feel about my, you know, my life. It's, think about it. You know, you it, if you think about it like this, you've also had like a taste of what my life has been like. Right. We can, we can see in common that, you know, being around good people can bring a very good internal experience.

[00:47:57] Tommy: Um, you know, it's, it's difficult for me sometimes to think, okay, how do these things really add up? You know, it's like doing accounting or something where you think like, okay, like I did this and I did this and I did this. Like, um, it's, it's easy to kind of forget that a lot of good things are happening, you know, and, and look around you and wonder where is the, where's the change or what's happening, you know?

[00:48:24] Tommy: So, like, you know, we talked last time about your last time here, nine years ago, you were like, oh, I was a better guy. I was a good guy then, you know, innocent kid, happy, you know? Um, and now you're, you're like, oh, now I'm old and now this kind of sucks. Um, but I said, no, don't look at it that way. You know, you are, you're, maybe you had good times, right?

[00:48:46] Tommy: But they should always like, inform, they should always continue to inform your who you are. Maybe they, maybe this idea of coming here, coming here, you know, was born just because you had that opportunity. So coming here again is like a way of like, I don't know, it's like a, a way of respecting yourself, finding your way home.

[00:49:11] Tommy: Finding your way home. Yes. If, whatever that means. Are you done, Tom? I, I feel, are you done? Here's the thing. I feel with struggles, the hardest part is maybe knowing yourself, you know? Yeah. 

[00:49:26] Eldar: Uh, that, that's good. That's a very good point. Yeah. Knowing yourself and like, um, this is what we're talking about.

[00:49:30] Eldar: We're talking about the fact that celebrating yourself, what Mike says, right? Like, here you are making goals of a Christian, Christiano, Ronaldo, but you're just this guy. What's going on? Right? And at the end of the day, we make these goals, we do these things. People do this stuff right? Without actually knowing.

[00:49:50] Eldar: What is our capacity? What are we capable of? What can we give? How much time do we have? How much energy do we have? How much desire and the want do we have to give this thing? Right? Plenty of people get excited. Look, some look at some more motivational speakers, you know, David Goggins or whoever the fuck they are, you know?

[00:50:10] Eldar: Uh, and they're like, yeah, that's it. You know, I'm just gonna fucking kill it in life. No, you're fucking not. You're not doing shit. You know what I mean? Because the truth of the matter is you're not that guy. It's gonna take you maybe some time to get there. But that takes realistic expectations to put in place, realistic expectations and a slow, steady pace, right?

[00:50:33] Eldar: Towards those goals. And I think that, you know, with Harris, that's what we're trying to do. We're trying to zoom in on these small little things in order to ignite him to start to think that he can think for himself and he can understand the world in such a way where he's more empowered and then their bigger goals will start aligning organically without needing to push, without needing to work.

[00:51:00] Eldar: You know, 12 hour shifts, right? You don't have to work 12 hour shifts. I mean, you can, but it's gonna take everything from you, right? But if you can work four hours, but do it really well, you'll get there with time. It's consistency, right? Alright. And I think, hold on one second, Tom, before you interrupt my fucking good point.

[00:51:20] Eldar: Oh my bad. Okay. You keep doing it, man. Consistency. Consistency. Cause I think is a big ingredient when it comes to success. If you found out that specific thing that you need to work on and you're doing a good job creating realistic goals and you're slowly moving towards it, consistency is very important.

[00:51:44] Eldar: Stick with it. Slowly, slowly, slowly, you'll get there. Doesn't have to be like, you know, 

[00:51:50] Mike: overnight, your boy, uh, Dan, which one? Not the hangman Hooker. 

[00:51:55] Speaker 6: Okay. 

[00:51:56] Mike: But Dan, Dan off with 13 hands. Dan, you cut off, man. Uhha, Dan Millman. Yeah. Cut off. Remember, this is like a relative to this, said, yo, don't do a hundred pushups.

[00:52:05] Mike: Do one pushup a day. That's right. Every day. That's right. You know, one pushup. That's easy. Yeah. Everybody wants to do, I wanna, do I do a hundred pushups? Push a day. Yeah. Do one, bro. Yeah. And then that's it. And then add and add one in a year or whatever. But like, yeah, that's the thing. But nobody wants that.

[00:52:22] Mike: Nobody respects that. Nobody respects that process because they're 

[00:52:24] Toliy: not thinking. I would say that we, that we should do one. But Harris is very sore from doing all the pushups he's been doing every day for the last, last few weeks. Guys, I want, I wanna tell you a 

[00:52:34] Tommy: short 

[00:52:34] Mike: story. Mm-hmm. Harris, can you bring the whiskey?

[00:52:36] Tommy: You don't know this, uh, told us, but, uh, I used to love running, um, and, uh, fake news. 

[00:52:43] Eldar: No, he did. Because he would wear this tight underwear. Tight underwear, 

[00:52:47] Mike: uh, 

[00:52:48] Eldar: Israeli hummus thing would come out. Oh yeah. The Israeli hummus would be outlined. The cannon would be outlined in his pants. Okay. Now let's 

[00:52:56] Tolis: stay on the success topic.

[00:52:57] Tolis: Explain. Don't go. He doesn't have much 

[00:52:59] Eldar: time. He's leaving soon. Dude, you have to drive it to the airport today. No, Tuesday. 

[00:53:06] Tommy: So, listen, listen, uh, I used to love running. I used to run, uh, not since I was a kid. I was not athletic as a kid. But when I turned 22, let's say, I started thinking, you know, let me quit smoking.

[00:53:20] Tommy: Let me try, let me try running. It was very, very difficult. There was pain. I was feeling pain everywhere. It took some time. I finally quit smoking and I, I started running and now over a year we're grabbing that Dick Harris every day. 

[00:53:35] Harris: Oh, fuck you. 

[00:53:36] Tommy: Every day. I felt excited at like, you know, let's say a lot around 11 o'clock in the morning.

[00:53:41] Tommy: I felt excited because I had nothing else really to do. I, I was, at that point in time in my life, things were kind of. Shaky. And so I would wake up excited and I, I would just put on my gear and I'd go run, and I would just run for as long as, as long as I could go, you know? And so, uh, af after some weeks and stuff, it would go up and up and up and I would go almost every single day.

[00:54:04] Tommy: Now I started taking, uh, I took an interest. I read magazines, health magazines. Uh, I'm like, and now I'm interested in it and I'm excited and I wanna know more. Um, and, uh, now I'm running maybe four miles, five miles a day. I like 

[00:54:20] Mike: what this headed 

[00:54:20] Tommy: six miles, seven miles on the weekends. You know, I was obsessed.

[00:54:26] Tommy: And when like, something happened in my life, I kind of lost interest in doing this. And one, you know, I remember when I began running, you know, uh, one of the things that I thought about was I was never really athletic. I, I had a, like a leg problem when I was young, and I didn't think like that I could really, I could really handle, like, I didn't think my body would allow it.

[00:54:50] Tommy: So it was amazing to discover that, you know, I could, I could run these miles and I was always thinking, let me push, let me push this boundary, let me keep going more and more. And it was amazing because for me, uh, my whole experience growing up is, uh, a lot of the guys who I would hang out with, like old friends, they would like pick me last.

[00:55:12] Tommy: You know, it was kind of awkward when we would play basketball. They would say, okay, we'll take this guy on our team. I was always, the last one, always, I think totally once said this, uh, in, in a previous podcast, I was always the last guy. And, uh, I was awkward, you know? Um, you know, I, I didn't fit in, so I was kind of a strange kid.

[00:55:32] Tommy: And now I feel so good that I, I can run so many miles and I'm thinking about marathons. But this flip, this idea of like extreme success was part of. This love of running that I had, I, and I realized this, I had this idea that I am, I can be a champion and I can, you know, even though I my leg when I was a kid and stuff, yeah, maybe you never know.

[00:56:00] Tommy: I, I thought I had this big dream. Let me show them, let me, let me be this tough guy. Um, like let, let me be this a, uh, uh, Olympian, Olympian, Olympian athlete or whatever. Um, but it is like, it's, the foundation was something that taught me that it, thinking about, uh, thinking about what the experience meant for me, it really, what it really meant for me was I was curious and I, you know, I wanted to know more about the athletics.

[00:56:36] Tommy: I wanted to know more about being an athlete, and maybe I just discovered that, you know, it doesn't have to be this extreme goal. So instead of being hard on myself sometimes when I, you know, I want to get back into it, I feel shame. You know, I want to go running again. Um, because, and I, and I, well, I think wrongly that I should be, I have to be successful.

[00:57:03] Tommy: I have to keep doing this and be a marathoner or keep, you know, pursuing it. But it's like I've, I've now, uh, I've, now you got the A for it. Now I've come to terms like I've, no, I, I feel, I feel like, uh, I let it, I let it go. I let it go. Good. Because 

[00:57:23] Speaker 12: what you just said, thank you, is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've heard shit.

[00:57:28] Speaker 12: At no point. Were you even close to anything? Okay. Sorry. Didn't have your terms of success and everything all, all is now dumber for having, you know what? By you guys, we might walk out goddamn 

[00:57:42] Speaker 14: lies. Oh fuck 

[00:57:43] Speaker 12: you. 

[00:57:44] Speaker 14: Jesus Christ. I don matter life. We might get a fucking walk out. Are you 

[00:57:48] Speaker 11: dumb motherfucker? You dumb motherfucker.

[00:57:52] Eldar: Alright, um, thank you Tommy for sharing. Um, yeah, I'm glad you liked it.

[00:58:02] Speaker 7: Oh my God. 

[00:58:04] Toliy: That could be used for a assisted suicide. 

[00:58:09] Harris: Do me a favor if I have cancer. Can you just talk like that? Yeah. If I ever get cancer. Yeah, just talk like that until I finally just blow my fucking brains out. Yeah, yeah. It'll be 

[00:58:19] Speaker 6: easier. That was pretty good, Harry. There's a good chance 

[00:58:22] Speaker 14: I'm gonna get cancer one day, but I want you by my bedside.

[00:58:25] Speaker 14: Yeah. Fucking talk and talk and talk. Nowhere while you're talking, motherfucker. You fucking fucking 

[00:58:32] Speaker 13: gone, man. 

[00:58:32] Speaker 14: Thanks. 

[00:58:34] Eldar: Wait. The time. We just discovered his passion and his purpose. Yeah. Holy shit. Tom. I'm signing you up for the hospital. Exactly. Hospice. Hospice. They get checked. 

[00:58:43] Toliy: They only got a couple days to live.

[00:58:44] Toliy: They'll love this shit. Love it. Yeah. No they won't, dude. They're like, yo, I can't wait to get the fuck outta here. No. What do you mean eldar 

[00:58:51] Speaker 13: el? They're just gonna keep fucking up their morphine until they fucking dead, bro. 

[00:58:56] Speaker 5: Fuck that shit. 

[00:58:59] Mike: They said they, they said they're gonna say they can't wait to die, right?

[00:59:01] Mike: Yeah. That they said they can't always get the fuck outta here. Yo, shut the fuck up. I just wanna sleep, 

[00:59:06] Speaker 14: motherfucker. 

[00:59:09] Eldar: Oh my God. Wow. Tom, we're just joking, but that was pretty good. No, I think 

[00:59:13] Tommy: you can make a pretty good living at this moment. Look, I think, I think sometimes we can say things with emotion, right?

[00:59:17] Tommy: But when you don't have really a way to, I don't know, to put it all together, maybe you have to just tell it, you know, and just say how it is. Um. You know, uh, I, I feel, I felt that if it sucks to feel like you're losing on in this game of success, but clearly it's not the right game. 

[00:59:37] Mike: He's laying there wrapped up in your, in your sweat.

[00:59:39] Mike: That's nice. Sick. 

[00:59:40] Tommy: You know, he's right. It's not the right game that you're playing. Yeah. Um, this is the way you're looking, 

[00:59:45] Eldar: um, told us, if you start taking the word success a little bit more seriously, you'll be successful. What again? 

[00:59:55] Harris: Yeah. If you start taking the word successful more seriously, success 

[01:00:00] Eldar: more seriously, 

[01:00:01] Harris: you'll be successful.

[01:00:01] Harris: You'll 

[01:00:02] Eldar: be more successful. And by that, I mean, and by that I mean that you should try to really define what the fuck does this mean? 

[01:00:09] Speaker 6: Mm. 

[01:00:10] Eldar: This is what I mean, really try to understand what does it actually mean? And when you do, when you do, I think you'll have a lot more direction towards success. Yeah. And that's a paradoxical thing.

[01:00:23] Toliy: Yeah. Like, if you don't, for example, of oftentimes what happens is this, when you set a goal or you say that like, you're gonna go on this plan or like, do, do this. Right. What happens is that you're gonna go and like metaphorically, there's gonna be like invisible minds everywhere that you have no idea where they are right now.

[01:00:44] Toliy: Mines means like bombs, bombs on the floor that you're gonna be stepping on and blowing up. Yep. This is gonna happen. There's gonna be millions of these bombs. Right? 

[01:00:52] Eldar: Yeah. But give him an example real quick. Go back to his story. When he came there, right? Uh, to the island. He's like, I'm gonna save all my money.

[01:00:59] Eldar: And then he is like, oh, these girls. Yep. And 

[01:01:01] Toliy: then you step on the girl bomb, for example, right? Yep. You don't know, but this is what happened. Right? So I think oftentimes, like prior to making any plans or prior to making any kind of commitment, if you, for example, like even if you don't know, like if it's good idea, bad idea, I guarantee you, like if you reach out for example to us and you say like, Hey.

[01:01:23] Toliy: Here's what's going on. Here's what I'm thinking about doing or what I wanted to do. What do you think? 

[01:01:29] Speaker 6: Hmm. 

[01:01:30] Toliy: I don't know if we're gonna be able to account for a hundred percent of things, but I'd probably say 99. 95% you could probably get ahead of time. And it's, and this is a hack. 

[01:01:42] Eldar: And if you could, and the reason why you're saying that is because if you could find people around you that don't care about your success more, more, more than not, they'll give you an honest answer.

[01:01:54] Eldar: They'll give you the truth. If they don't have a horse in the race like your mom, maybe your sister or somebody else who sees a vision for you, what you should be doing, you know what I mean? 

[01:02:04] Tolis: Nobody cares about your success cause 

[01:02:09] Eldar: or your family. No, no. I'm ex, I'm ex No, I'm explaining to you that if you have, like what he just said, right?

[01:02:14] Eldar: Yeah. If you have some kind of goal, some kind of plan, if you go to your mom, you go to your dad, you go to your sister, right? They actually might be biased. Okay. Because they want the best for you or whatever. Mm-hmm. So they might have their own ideas, and this might not be the right advice. You have to go to people, right?

[01:02:37] Eldar: Professionals, for example, if totally is a sales guy, he can go to another sales guy who is across the country somewhere who, who's not competing with us, who doesn't care what happens, right? And he would give him honest answers of what he's doing wrong, because he doesn't care. You know? Especially because totally knows how to come across correctly to ask these types of questions.

[01:02:59] Toliy: What if it's someone trying to sell a course, for example? 

[01:03:01] Eldar: Yes. If somebody's trying to sell him something right, to be successful, it's a different story. They'll, they'll make words. They'll position themselves in such a way to make, try to make him believe in their bullshit. They'll be more nicer. And that's the key here.

[01:03:17] Eldar: That's what he said. You have to leverage, you know, people or the world. That doesn't really care. It doesn't have a horse and a race in your success. 

[01:03:26] Toliy: Yeah. I feel like, like that's, that's hard to do. Yeah. Yeah. That's very hard to do. And I feel like that's probably gonna be one of the hardest things that you're going to face, is that like, when you leave here, all the different things that you're gonna do, decision gonna make, lots of times it feels like very small decisions.

[01:03:45] Toliy: Right. Very small ones. Yeah. But you're gonna make them without asking first or thinking it to ask first, Hey, should I ask, how's this? Or should I reach out to Mike or Totally. Or should I just put it in the group chat? Likely this is not gonna happen. Likely you're gonna make the decision and you're gonna plant the bombs that you can't see.

[01:04:08] Tommy: But everybody, I think, I think what you mean is like there'll be consequences to your choice, to your decision. 100%. Yeah. 

[01:04:13] Toliy: That you're not gonna know of when making those decisions. Right Now, lucky 

[01:04:18] Tommy: for you, you're not gonna go off on a bender like this guy would, what the fuck are you? The fuck is he? Like, what I'm saying is, luckily you don't have any crazy addictions or any troubles with drinking.

[01:04:28] Tommy: You've learned. It's, to me, it seems you've learned these things. 

[01:04:31] Eldar: Hey, why are you worrying 

[01:04:31] Tommy: about that? Yo, what the fuck? No, no. It's a good thing. He's going away. Hold on, hold on, hold on. He might make some decisions without inquiry. Hold on time about, time about. But how big are those decisions gonna be? You know, if you quit your job, will it have immediate, an immediate impact on your life, A negative impact without a plan B?

[01:04:47] Tommy: You know, um, yeah. So I'm, I, I'm kind of, you guys hooked me in here Good. With saying, uh, with bringing up this idea of, of, um, okay. Let's then wrap. Yeah. What you 

[01:04:58] Harris: were, what you were just saying. Let's then wrap it up with success. Hold on. I, I'd like to just time out right here. The fuck you bringing up drinking for?

[01:05:05] Harris: Who the fuck has a problem with drinking that 

[01:05:07] Tommy: I, I see you're still going 90 miles per hour after you take a what? Whoa. I'm not going 90 miles an hour 

[01:05:12] Harris: after my ticket. Fucking the name of Liberty and Justice. No, I'm not. 

[01:05:18] Speaker 14: Anyway, I have a question. Why do fucking you success? 

[01:05:21] Speaker 10: Let, let, let Mike get it About 

[01:05:23] Mike: success.

[01:05:23] Mike: Yeah.

[01:05:28] Speaker 7: I'm 

[01:05:29] Mike: having a hard, a hard time 

[01:05:30] Speaker 7: like phrasing it, but is success 

[01:05:35] Mike: real success? Is it just, uh, I'm gonna use the wrong words here intentionally, but for lack of a better word, but just drive a point. Is success a real thing or is it just a byproduct of doing the right thing?

[01:05:52] Mike: That's 

[01:05:53] Tommy: what was, what was that one again? Mike? 

[01:05:54] Mike: Is success a real thing or just a byproduct of doing the right thing? Okay, I got it. 

[01:05:59] Toliy: Well, 

[01:05:59] Mike: well, yeah. 

[01:06:01] Toliy: Success is, is is only in like the, it it only exists in the, in imagination of, of like the beholder. 

[01:06:07] Mike: Yeah. Right. Well, yeah. That's why I'm asking the question because I, I, that's what I'm having think.

[01:06:11] Eldar: Yeah. I think that a real success actually lives and as a result or byproduct of what you're saying Yeah. Of doing the right thing. Yeah. 100%. 

[01:06:22] Speaker 6: Yeah. 

[01:06:22] Eldar: However, I think it's a very subjective experience because what you might be suffering from Harris might not be suffering from, or Harris is suffering from which you not be suffering from.

[01:06:33] Eldar: Right? So, so Harris doesn't know how to write properly in chat. You do, right? Mm-hmm. So his success is finding out how to write properly in chat live. Right. Mm-hmm. So I think as he finds this out mm-hmm. To do the right thing, that's his success and he succeeded and he will draw very specific energy, good energy from it.

[01:06:53] Eldar: You won't draw that. Mm-hmm. Because you know it. Mm-hmm. You might have something else. 

[01:06:57] Speaker 6: Right. So 

[01:06:57] Eldar: I think it's, to a degree, it's also subjective. 

[01:07:00] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm. 

[01:07:00] Eldar: Right? Because we have levels that we are living on, and everybody has different levels of where they're at. You know, one person might be struggling with anxiety, another person might be just struggling with fear.

[01:07:10] Eldar: Mm-hmm. You know, another struggling with writer's block, you know, whatever it is. Right. Everyone, I think, has their own levels where they can level up. Mm-hmm. And that's where they can find success. But ultimately, I think within those specific levels, doing the right thing might be the answer, but that's a very ambiguous, so what you're saying thing, anyway, 

[01:07:29] Mike: if you're doing something wrong, then you can, uh, then you can become successful at a potentially, but if you're doing the right thing, then there's no success.

[01:07:39] Mike: You're just doing the 

[01:07:39] Eldar: right thing. I think it's a paradoxical thing where if you're just doing the right thing, I don't think, maybe you're not even associating it with success that's saying, but it's success only when you pause and reflect, 

[01:07:50] Mike: or only when you have something that you are not doing well.

[01:07:53] Mike: Yeah. Then you can get to success, which is not really getting, just doing the right, doing things. That's right. Right. Thing like, 

[01:08:00] Toliy: yeah. I, I, I, I think you, you said it correctly, I think like true success is like, the only time that you can feel maybe suc successful is moments of reflection on what, on, on what you're doing.

[01:08:12] Toliy: And if it lines up with doing like the right thing. Mm-hmm. Um. I don't think that, like you think about it from like, like a goal setting point of like Yes. Being successful, correct. In that kind of way. Yeah. Only in reflection. And, and, and just one, one more thing. I feel like, 

[01:08:27] Eldar: and I think reflection, I'm sorry.

[01:08:28] Eldar: Reflection is a very good point because reflection almost becomes, um, a tiebreaker between what you actually fucking did, whether or not you actually got it right or not. Like I said, you can set a goal to make $5 million, but if you cheated yourself, wait, cheated everyone else mm-hmm. From their money to get to $5 million, you got the $5 million you sitting at home, you can't sleep at night because you cheated a lot of people and you reflecting, that's your measure.

[01:08:52] Eldar: So success 

[01:08:52] Mike: is not necessarily accomplishing a goal. Absolutely not. No, no. I agree. It's not, it's the destination, the journey thing again. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. It's not the destination is the journey. Yeah, yeah. 

[01:09:04] Eldar: No, oftentimes no, because, I'm sorry. Because in the journey, if the journey is correct, if it's but the goal if yet, but the goal is not reached.

[01:09:13] Speaker 6: Yeah. 

[01:09:13] Eldar: Right. You still succeeded. 

[01:09:15] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm. 

[01:09:16] Eldar: And that's the paradox of it. 

[01:09:18] Speaker 6: Yeah. Go ahead. 

[01:09:19] Toliy: Yeah. I, I was, I I was, uh, I was just gonna say that I feel like a lot of people also, they try to be, or like the way that they talk and they try to make goals is they try to be specialists at something. Right. And I think specialists at something, um, like drives a lot of not of, of, of not having success.

[01:09:43] Tommy: Well, totally. Sorry. Like 

[01:09:44] overall, 

[01:09:46] Toliy: what did you say? Like, if you try to define success with being a specialist, like, I, like, like you, you probably can't have overall life success and say that you're going to be your goal to be the greatest basketball player, for example, ever. Because if you're trying to drive su success in like a specialty way, then, um, are not gonna have like a, like a balance.

[01:10:15] Toliy: Like, like true success I think is defined within with having a balance of particular things. And if you try to specialize in one thing, like if you're, if for you success is making as much money as possible, then other things are going to fail. 

[01:10:31] Speaker 7: Like with that. 

[01:10:34] Speaker 5: Hmm. 

[01:10:36] Mike: So unless you say like, I want to be the best basketball player that I can be.

[01:10:41] Tommy: Yeah. I thought that was bad. And then you 

[01:10:42] Mike: commit to doing things that way, which is as you can be. Yeah. 

[01:10:48] Tommy: Yeah. Because I hear it and I'm okay, but are you always capable of more, you're someone passionate for, for that passionate about something? 

[01:10:57] Mike: Are you always capable of more? 

[01:10:58] Tommy: I bet. I bet. 'cause you're a good worker.

[01:11:01] Tommy: I bet. Because you listen, you are a good worker. You are capable of you're good soldier. 

[01:11:05] Mike: Let's put it in the islands. But the limitation is your is your own like, uh, self-respect, patience, you know, self-love. So no, they can't always do more. If you played five games, can you play a six? Sure. But are you being considered that you might be extra sore tomorrow that you might get hurt?

[01:11:21] Mike: Yeah. But 

[01:11:23] Toliy: see that's someone that Yeah, but see like that, that that's then someone that's focused in like overall success and not Yeah. Well that's why that success in that like one, you could be the best player, 

[01:11:30] Mike: best, uh, at whatever it is that is to your level of, uh, capacity, ability, knowing yourself, all that stuff.

[01:11:37] Mike: Listen, 

[01:11:38] Eldar: I'm gonna cut, cut it short guys. When it comes to success, Buddha said that attachments cause suffering. Okay. Attachments cause suffering. That's it. 

[01:11:48] Speaker 7: Be careful. Be careful. Take 

[01:11:53] Eldar: his word for it or don't. Up to you. Alright, gimme the next topic. Yeah. The next we gotta get through your questions. Tom. If you say in the word, that was the 

[01:12:00] Tolis: first one, 

[01:12:01] Eldar: that was success.

[01:12:03] Tolis: I have seven here. Good. Took an hour to the one. Listen, 

[01:12:08] Eldar: good things take time. And we didn't. Trust me. These are like, uh, mini cuts. All right, next one. Can you consider a poor man successful, even if he's happy but not having much? I think we answered that. Yeah, we did. Yes, absolutely. Right. Uh, I don't think that, uh, I think toy's, uh, answer to it was if you have the freedom to choose, right?

[01:12:31] Eldar: That's success. And if that poor man has the freedom to choose his life is what he's doing day to day every single day, right? Despite the fact he doesn't have a car, house, whatever it is. But he has the choice. He can definitely be happy. And that's success. Is the word risk? Considered a condition in the journey of success.

[01:12:54] Eldar: Alright, explain that. What do you mean by that? Is the word risk considered a condition in the journey of success? Do you have to take risk? Is it necessary to be successful? Is it necessary? Yeah. Something like that. Is it a requirement? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Uh, 

[01:13:11] Mike: if you like living risky. 

[01:13:13] Toliy: Well, yeah. Uh, I, I don't know if, if like risk is the right word, but may, but maybe if you substitute that with like, um, v like vulnerability, I think Well, and that's why I think we 

[01:13:25] Eldar: have to, if we, if we can, if it can help us with what you mean by the word risk, I think then, uh, we can definitely help you with that.

[01:13:32] Eldar: What do you mean by risk? 

[01:13:35] Tolis: Like taking risk risks in your life, Uhhuh and just don't just stay in your safe zone, you know? Mm-hmm. To be successful. 

[01:13:43] Eldar: Give us an example of you, of you taking a risk. 

[01:13:46] Tolis: Hmm. Trying new things like, uh, moving out of your country, going, uh, you know, trying everything. What 

[01:13:54] Eldar: are you risking when you move out your country?

[01:14:00] Tolis: Yeah. Risk to fail. There. 

[01:14:03] Tommy: And why is that so important to you? You know, fail. Fail. 

[01:14:06] Speaker 7: What? What's fail?

[01:14:10] Speaker 7: Something doesn't, don't work for you. The, 

[01:14:15] Eldar: it didn't work because you had a bad plan 

[01:14:18] Tolis: or what? Yeah. Here I learned that you have to do the research. 

[01:14:23] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 

[01:14:23] Tolis: I learned that here. 

[01:14:25] Eldar: Yeah. Okay. So is the, I I think, you know, the shortcut to this is there's no such thing as risk. 

[01:14:30] Tolis: Yeah. So if you do the research, the risk is less.

[01:14:35] Tolis: Yeah. I don't think it exists. Yeah. 

[01:14:37] Eldar: No. Oh. Exists. I think a stupid man, probably a person who doesn't do research right. Um, endures a more of a risky behavior or participates a more risky behavior because he doesn't know what's coming. 

[01:14:53] Toliy: Yeah. I think Al Al also the only, the only proper way I could think of, to use the word risk.

[01:14:59] Toliy: Yeah. If somebody observa, if somebody else's observation maybe of what you did, but they don't know what's going on, they would, they would observe it as you took a risk, for example. Yes. That's because they, they didn't know what you did or what, what, what did, like what happened here, it was unknown. So they have to make the observation that like, oh, he took a risk.

[01:15:19] Speaker 6: Yeah. 

[01:15:19] Toliy: Right. Yeah. For example. Right. But oftentimes, like a lot of these, like, let's just say if we talk about people that did something that was like breakthrough, like they had a good amount of supporting evidence and like they had vision, particular research and vision as to like why this makes sense.

[01:15:36] Toliy: And they, and they went after it, right. Someone else could have said that. Oh, like Elon Musk and like, uh, he didn't think that maybe electric cars would get so big, for example, or like that he took a risk in like going after like the electric market and not just making like a better gas car. A real 

[01:15:55] Eldar: risk I think comes from like gambling.

[01:15:58] Toliy: Yeah. But for him, he would say that like, no, there was no risk. Here he is like, I knew that this type of vehicle is important, for example, for mankind. And he had a a, a list of reasons as to why, you know, it's efficient. It, it looks better. It's, uh, it's faster, it's sleeker. Right. Um, it costs less to like power.

[01:16:17] Toliy: Right. It's better for the environment. Like he, he had like a million reasons as to 

[01:16:21] Speaker 6: why Yeah. 

[01:16:21] Toliy: Why it's going to work. Yeah. But maybe we could look like, or, or like someone else could look at it and say like, oh, he took a big risk. But for him, he is like, no, I didn't take a big risk. 

[01:16:30] Mike: Risk, uh, risk only only exists when you don't know all the factors or you're going in there blind or you're going in there blind or, yes.

[01:16:41] Mike: That's what I'm saying. Or you haven't 

[01:16:42] Eldar: done 

[01:16:42] Mike: the, 

[01:16:43] Eldar: it's a gambling thing. Right. When we gamble. Right. When we gamble cards or whatever it is at the casino. Right. Yeah. It's a fucking risk. Yeah, of course. Because shit is stacked against us. Right. But, and you know, it, you know it, however, our minds mm-hmm. Always go where, how do we break the risk?

[01:17:01] Eldar: Yeah. How do we take away the risk? How do we make sure that we play by the book? 

[01:17:07] Toliy: Right. Yeah. Like how many people if we went to, into a casino right now. Yeah. What percent of people, if you ask them, Hey, uh, like whichever game that they're playing, you ask 'em, Hey, what risk do you have of losing each hand here?

[01:17:18] Eldar: Yeah. Exactly. How 

[01:17:19] Toliy: many people actually know what the numbers are? Yeah. 

[01:17:21] Eldar: They 

[01:17:21] Toliy: don't, 

[01:17:22] Eldar: they don't. They don't. Right. The smart people Right. The people that actually make money off casinos. Right. They're try not to engage in risky behavior. Mm-hmm. Right. They're trying to make sure that they play by the book.

[01:17:38] Eldar: They make sure that they're very disciplined mm-hmm. And structured in the way they make their moves. Yeah, of course. Right. The gambler is like the idiots like me who doesn't know these good games, the bakar or mm-hmm. The blackjack roulette. Right. I'm the idiot. I'm taking a risk. Mm-hmm. I don't know what the fuck is going on.

[01:17:57] Eldar: You know, I'm just putting money out, you know? Yeah. I'm just guessing that's risk. Mm-hmm. I'm guessing, but the truth is, I don't like it more and more every time we do it. I don't like it because I don't have no control. I'm a control freak. I want to control this fucking outcome. You know? That's why I lean more towards UFC, for example.

[01:18:15] Eldar: Right. Where I can watch, you know, stamina, whatever I'm observing, I'm trying to put together a package Yeah. And put money on it. Yeah. But remove the risk. Yeah. I don't wanna fucking do risky shit. I wanna fucking put money in and mm-hmm. Almost guarantee that it's gonna come out on the, on the good, on the good end.

[01:18:32] Eldar: Yeah. And I think we all are wired this way to remove risk. Mm-hmm. And, and through smarts, through intelligence. But our, our only 

[01:18:41] Mike: if our attachments are, uh, yes. Not hammering us. Yes. Correct. And, and also with, uh, a lot of times people will call it risky because they didn't do due diligence Yeah. To find out all the possible angles.

[01:18:55] Mike: Like Correct. When you're gonna send a rocket ship like Elon Musk to Mars Yeah. You can know a lot of stuff. Yeah. But you probably can't know everything. You don't know what the fuck kind of, there's still variables. Yeah. And there's variables Invisible. Invisible. Yeah. But if you're gonna, you know, do something a little bit simpler.

[01:19:10] Speaker 6: Yeah. 

[01:19:12] Mike: Oh, maybe not simpler, but something more complicated. Yeah. There's a lot of resources available, but the way we operate a lot of times is we're impatient and we have attachments. Yeah. Especially to get things done very fast. Correct. You know, and those things get in our way from actually finding the resources that are available to mitigate our risk.

[01:19:30] Mike: Yeah. So you may make a decision. Like totally said, you may not reach out to us like, Hey, what do you guys think? Mm-hmm. Maybe we can help you to see all the different risks, you know, if you talk to us Hmm. But you are impatient, or you're attached, or you have pride, ego, whatever. Those are the risks. The risks are your own crutches or whatever you wanna call 'em, that stop you from getting 

[01:19:53] Eldar: the full angle.

[01:19:54] Eldar: Yeah. Perspective. Would you say that a stupid person is more attracted to risk than a non-ST stupid person? Yeah. Harry. Why? Well, that's what it is, right? An uneducated individual is more likely to participate in risky behavior. Risky behavior. Mm-hmm. It's a known thing. Mm-hmm. Right. They're more likely to hurt themselves.

[01:20:13] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm. 

[01:20:13] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Because of stupid decisions. Mm-hmm. Risky behavior. Right. Because to them, the risky behavior. It's ignorance though. Yeah. It, it is ignorance. Yeah. Hundred percent. Ignorance derives, but they also get hypo over it. Course they also do get excited. Well, a hundred percent dig. Taking risk for shit course Harris wants to go skydiving and all this other stuff.

[01:20:32] Eldar: Yeah. Just kidding. Hi. You understand? Does this help? 

[01:20:37] Speaker 7: But really, 

[01:20:37] Eldar: what questions do you have around risk? 

[01:20:42] Harris: I think he already solved this whole thing coming into it that you need to do proper research. 

[01:20:46] Tolis: Yeah. He said he did it, but there's many situations there should be risk somewhere. 

[01:20:53] Mike: Okay. Well I think we did touch on it.

[01:20:55] Mike: Like what? A little bit, yeah. Give us an example of a risk. I, I remember, I remember hearing a little touch 

[01:21:00] Tommy: of this is when you, when you talked about writer's block, you know, when you talk, when you talk about, when I hear creative block, when I hear about somebody who cannot do things or cannot create, cannot be the creator in life.

[01:21:12] Tommy: Right. And of something, maybe an idea of a business or creating paintings or creating poetry or doing this and that. Um, what I hear, and this is my language here, and it's, it's uh, when I hear, when I hear risk, um. Maybe, maybe this is what you're trying to talk about. You know, you're talking about it's right in front risks to invest in the creativity you wanna participate in.

[01:21:44] Tommy: You want to, you want to basically put time to this thing, but you don't wanna lose, you don't wanna be, uh, people laughing at you thinking you're 

[01:21:53] Tolis: weird. Oh, I don't know. Yeah. Like me after I leave from here and going to that college that we talked about. Yeah. Okay. I did like how much research I had to do, I have to do, so it won't be risk for me spending two years there.

[01:22:11] Tolis: And 

[01:22:12] Mike: I think also, I think also a part of it ties into the success thing. We said it's a risk. If you don't know yourself, if you're gonna start going to college tomorrow, how to become the best, I don't know, runner. Why the fuck would you go there? Mm-hmm. You know, you hate running, you hate exercise. It's not for you right now, if you say, Hey, actually I want to go to study stuff for computers.

[01:22:33] Mike: I know you for a few months. I do think you'll like computers. You're interested in it and you have some passion about it, maybe, you know, and that makes more sense. Less risk. No. So I think part of taking a risk is also knowing yourself. Yeah. 

[01:22:45] Tolis: Less, not like no risk at all. 

[01:22:48] Mike: Yeah. But would you go for the running?

[01:22:50] Mike: Would you go for how to become a professional runner? 

[01:22:53] Tommy: But look, I was just saying risk is just kind of fun. Beha fun, a fun word. You hear what they're saying about this, right? 

[01:23:00] Eldar: No, no, no, no. Hold on one second, Tom, before you go there, because I think that, um, in your case, right, like first of all, I mean hopefully you're not going to a runner's school for a computer science.

[01:23:09] Eldar: You know what I mean? That'll be crazy, right? But if the school right is offering very specific things. About computer things that you wanna find out. And they actually have real knowledge. It's a real source for knowledge. I think it's your attitude that determines whether or not you're gonna get something out of it or not.

[01:23:29] Eldar: It depends on whether or not you are actually gonna be a good student and pay attention and really learn. And I don't think that's risky. 

[01:23:37] Tolis: Hmm. No, but I asked, I did the research and they, they told me, you learn nothing cool. Who's they? A friend of mine that Uhhuh went there. Okay. He, he said, okay, you learn nothing.

[01:23:53] Tolis: There is this one 

[01:23:54] Eldar: person that you, you, you, you asked, I have one, one 

[01:23:59] Tolis: friend that he, and 

[01:24:00] Eldar: this you call research.

[01:24:04] Tolis: He's a very close 

[01:24:05] Mike: friend. Don't look at me. I'm gonna say it. How many, how long has the school been open? I don't know all these. Well, it's been open for more than one year and there's not like a, a lot, only one person went 

[01:24:16] Eldar: there. 

[01:24:16] Mike: Only one person went there. His friend, no, he didn't understand what the fuck was going 

[01:24:20] Toliy: on about school.

[01:24:20] Toliy: But it's also like, these guys still here, but, but it's also like one perspective of one person. Right? Like for example, right? Like, uh, let's just say, I dunno, if we had a school right? May, maybe you would have some people that would say like, Hey, this is a waste of time. Right? Like, you learn nothing here.

[01:24:38] Toliy: Maybe you're gonna have some people who say you learn everything here. 

[01:24:40] Mike: What do you mean? We had plenty of people that said this is a waste of time. 

[01:24:43] Toliy: Yeah. For 

[01:24:43] Mike: all the people that didn't want to graduate. 

[01:24:45] Toliy: Yeah. For example. Right? So it's like, it, like it depends on Yeah. What your perspective is on it. What, what your like attitude is.

[01:24:53] Toliy: Attitude. Mm-hmm. Uh, um, uh, towards, I think you get, 

[01:24:56] Eldar: I think you get out of these things, especially like schools and stuff is what you get out of it. What can you extract from it? 'cause 

[01:25:03] Tolis: Well, yeah. 

[01:25:04] Eldar: You know what I mean? And I think that this is big, right? Um, and I'm not sure if one person's testimony. Your friend's testimony, even though he's a good friend, I don't even know what the definition of your good friend is.

[01:25:16] Eldar: Mm-hmm. I doubt you know what a good friend is, honestly. Yeah. Or like 

[01:25:21] Toliy: if, if, if, if you bring it to, to like game terms. Right. Is it a, can we say it's safe to say that it's a fact that every game out there that exists, some people say it's bad and some people say it's good. Of course this game sucks or this game is the best.

[01:25:33] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm. 

[01:25:34] Toliy: Do some people think Marvel rivals is the worst game ever? Yeah. Some people would say it's bad game, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Some people will say, what are you talking about? This is the best game. Right? 

[01:25:44] Tolis: Actually, that friend that told me about the college mm-hmm. He also dislike Marvel rivals. You see? So if 

[01:25:51] Toliy: he says, Hey, Marvel rivals is the worst game, what are you thinking in your head?

[01:25:55] Toliy: What are you talking about? 

[01:25:56] Tolis: Yeah. Crazy. 

[01:25:57] Toliy: Right? For example, right? Same, same, same thing. I think with the school idea, for some people it's gonna be the worst school and it teaches nothing. Yeah. For some people it's gonna be the best school that teaches everything and maybe some people are gonna be somewhere in the middle.

[01:26:10] Toliy: It 

[01:26:11] Eldar: may open the door of opportunity too. Who's gonna, who's gonna show up is the question. You come over there, you sleep in class every day because you're very tired, you didn't get enough sleep, you woke up at 4:00 PM because you stayed up till 6:00 AM in the morning playing video games. You come nearly this and someone's forcing you to go to school for example too.

[01:26:27] Eldar: Yeah. Like 

[01:26:28] Toliy: it's gonna be the worst school ever. 

[01:26:30] Eldar: Yeah. If your research points to that whatcha, then that's a real risk. But if you come over there excited and like, I really wanna learn, right? I mean, how many, like, sure, you might have a couple of classes and stuff, but how many you gonna learn something? I think there's gonna be some information, there's gonna be some kind of knowledge that you can get.

[01:26:46] Eldar: I think there are also other places and then 

[01:26:47] Tommy: you can judge. To see. I think there are other places in life where we're hit with this blind spot too, where we are confronted with two options, but we choose not to look at the option that's less like, uh, less viable. Right. And so for him, he's thinking, okay, it might be less viable now because here's one person telling me the school's no good, but are you researching the school?

[01:27:09] Tommy: Oh, well, it's, yes. And looking into, uh, whether or not you have this objective, like, you know, it's not just based on opinion, it's not biased. So, you know, now you're led this way through one door, but you never take a peek into the other one. 

[01:27:27] Eldar: Also, uh, it's not like you obligated to stay in school. Right. You come in the first month, you sit there, be a good student, you listen, you pay attention.

[01:27:37] Eldar: And if it's really not working for you, you're like, yo, I'm not getting anything here. You could fucking leave. Yeah. What are we talking about? 

[01:27:43] Tommy: Yeah. I I, I, you know, you're not obligated to stay there 

[01:27:46] Eldar: for two years. Right. Because I, I imagine his friend would probably, are you obligated or is this like a No, I don't know if, if you get in, you're like, they'll kill you if you don't go, I don't know if 

[01:27:54] Tolis: you prepare the two years.

[01:27:56] Tolis: Okay. Because if you prepare, you, you prepare the two years. Yeah. I think that if you find you, 

[01:28:03] Eldar: I think you found, if you found out in the first month that the school was bad, but you paid the $2,000, but then you don't go the rest of the two years, it's well worth your money. It's well worth your money.

[01:28:14] Eldar: Wait, wait. Say that again. Okay. I I hear you. I'm gonna say it slowly. Yeah. If the school requires you to pay the $2,000 upfront for two years, right. But in the first month you realize that it's really bad mm-hmm. And you quit. 

[01:28:30] Speaker 6: Yeah. 

[01:28:30] Eldar: It's money. W well worth spent. 

[01:28:33] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm. 

[01:28:34] Eldar: Wow. Wow. 

[01:28:37] Speaker 7: You didn't understand anything, but you do wanna say, wow.

[01:28:40] Speaker 7: Holy moly. It's good. Yeah. 

[01:28:43] Tolis: But. You know why I'm not finding money on, on trees. So yeah, 2000 is too much for me, Uhhuh, so I can like, take the risk to just throw money somewhere that maybe it won't work for me. Eldor 

[01:29:01] Tommy: saying it's, it's not that you're not understanding well spent, 

[01:29:06] Eldar: you'll realize because that this is not your path.

[01:29:10] Eldar: This is not what you need to do. You are gonna find a different path. 

[01:29:14] Tolis: Yeah, but I'm not gonna have the money that I spent guys, I, I want for no reason. 

[01:29:18] Tommy: You may not know this about computers stuff, but a lot of, there is an argument to be made by many people that when you go and study computer science, you're really not learning anything.

[01:29:28] Tommy: You could learn all this stuff online and then learn the rest of it on a job. And that's what people say. Yeah. But then you have to look at it like that. You have to look at it, um, and ask, am I going, am I willing to sit at my computer a few hours a day and, and study this stuff by myself? Do I wanna be in this position doing it on my own?

[01:29:50] Tommy: You know? Are you, are you really forced with money, um, to not go to school and not pay that $2,000? No, 

[01:29:58] Tolis: there's some after I've, you finish Okay. The college, you get a degree. 

[01:30:04] Harris: Mm-hmm. 

[01:30:04] Tolis: And also with that degree, they giving you like an opportunity to find a wor a job. 

[01:30:11] Harris: Yep. 

[01:30:11] Tolis: So this is what you take

[01:30:16] Harris: the problem with what you said, Tom, this is what you take. 

[01:30:19] Tolis: Yeah. This 

[01:30:19] Eldar: is what you receive in 

[01:30:21] Tolis: return. Even, even if you don't learn anything, you get, you get a degree and the opportunity to, to find a job in, in that country. 

[01:30:28] Tommy: No, no. I think computer science guys, they, a lot of them not, maybe not a lot. There were a few people who really study on their own with free resources online and they find.

[01:30:39] Tommy: They find that they find a job because they, they can work on your own project. 

[01:30:43] Harris: Can I, can I explain what cousin's trying to say? Mm-hmm. Tom, when you're going up against, a lot of people are going for a job. I have two 

[01:30:50] Tommy: people in computer science in my family. Just keep that in mind. I understand that, Tom, but nowadays, 

[01:30:56] Harris: when you go for a certain job, you're competing for that job.

[01:30:59] Harris: You got people that might have learned it on their own. I think this is what cousin's trying to say and people that went to college and actually got a degree for it. The question is, who's the company gonna hire? Is it the person that learned it on their own? Yeah. But Harris got no experience. Do you know anything?

[01:31:13] Harris: Went to college but has no experience in 

[01:31:14] Tommy: Greece. Do you know anything about how many people are being hired in Greece or how many Even here? Yes I do. Even because cousin was explaining this even here, do you know whether or not there's a shortage or like, is there a surplus? Okay. I don't know. Tell me, tell me about the jobs in.

[01:31:29] Tommy: All right guys, we're not gonna 

[01:31:30] Speaker 10: argue this right now. I did because, because we're gonna argue the risk. Part risk cousin was I, was I going off? She does not wanna risk, she does not wanna risk 

[01:31:38] Eldar: $2,000 just to find out Yes. That it's not worth it. 

[01:31:44] Tolis: Yes. That 

[01:31:44] Eldar: I should not go. 

[01:31:45] Tolis: Yes. Mm-hmm. Right. 

[01:31:46] Eldar: Okay. To me, it's actually good if you find out that this school is dead, so then you have no doubts.

[01:31:55] Eldar: You tried it, you saw it for yourself. Yeah. And you can move on. Yeah. I think it's worth 2000 bucks. No, he says move on. You 

[01:32:03] Harris: have to back. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go back to what I originally said here and ask cousin a question. Cousin, is this something you really, really want to do? Is this something you enjoy?

[01:32:11] Harris: Is the computers Yes. Come? What's the fucking risk? Go for it. Full force. You're in a 

[01:32:19] Tommy: place. It's beautiful because computers is a huge field. I 

[01:32:22] Harris: have not done, 

[01:32:23] Tommy: I mean, you can go anywhere really in, in so many different to different areas. 

[01:32:28] Harris: Yes, cousin, this is what I'm talking about. You're in a place right now.

[01:32:31] Harris: You enjoy computers, you don't have a family, you don't have kids. If this is something you really, really wanna do and you enjoy, okay, now is the time to do it. 

[01:32:40] Toliy: Okay. I I, I, I also think that like, if it doesn't work out, for example, 

[01:32:48] Tolis: okay, 

[01:32:49] Toliy: part of it is also I think like a lesson of being more, um, careful or doing better research when things like that happen too, right?

[01:32:58] Toliy: Because like if you jumped into it and you didn't do the research, or maybe you didn't, maybe, maybe before committing the $2,000, which is a lot of money, maybe take a free course, 

[01:33:09] Eldar: right? No. Find the people that went to the school and survey those people. How many of those people got a job? How many people were happy with what?

[01:33:16] Eldar: With the things that they learned? How many people really paid this 

[01:33:19] Toliy: 2000? 

[01:33:19] Eldar: Yeah. Was it worth it? No, 

[01:33:22] Toliy: but I'm saying is that like you could do research beforehand if you does. Yeah. If you survey one person doesn't survey 25. No. Yeah, but that, but like if, if, if tour, if he likes the topic that he's Yeah.

[01:33:32] Toliy: Committing to like, do Yeah. Right? Like you could, before you, for example, if it's a $2,000 commitment Yeah. And that's like 90% of the money that, that, that you have. 

[01:33:42] Speaker 6: Yeah. 

[01:33:42] Toliy: Right. To mitigate your risk. You could take one or two. Like if he's saying the school's in October, and maybe let's, let's just say you have to tell them by, let's just say, uh, July, for example, right?

[01:33:54] Toliy: For, for example July, where you have to like commit or not, right? Um, he could take the time between now and then to take maybe a free course or do, or watch some videos or, or like do, do some more research online that's like, you know, free for example, to then see if he likes the topic to begin with right before committing.

[01:34:15] Toliy: Uh, there, there are are also 

[01:34:16] Eldar: different programs 

[01:34:17] Tommy: because they have 

[01:34:17] Eldar: these bootcamps. There's also, they have, they have the options. When we went to school, was auditing class. Remember Mike? Yeah, of course. Well, you could sit in on the class. Went to many classes 

[01:34:26] Tommy: for free. For free. Yeah. Now look, he might be talking about a told list.

[01:34:29] Tommy: Are you talking about a bootcamp? That's not that important. But there are small schools that set up specifically for this, where they promise you 15 weeks, 10 schools and you'll find a job. Oh, one of those. Yeah. And it might cost a lot of money. And it, and actually the, the, the, uh, the upfront risk, so to speak, the upfront pay, um, might put you in a position to actually have to pay more than you would if you went to your local college.

[01:34:55] Tommy: Where in your local college you can learn fundamentals and really build up your, your passion for this. Maybe go a little slower, explore one or two different classes. Your university, I don't know where, where it is, but there's a lot you can learn. And, uh, there's, so he's talking about gonna college's. So to be curious, 

[01:35:12] Eldar: so all we're saying is at the end of the day, that you can reduce, reduce, reduce some of this risk by doing more research beforehand.

[01:35:21] Tolis: Yeah, but who ask? 

[01:35:24] Eldar: I mean, I go to 

[01:35:25] Tolis: forums or what? Yeah, I, you can go to forums. You can go straight to the school School and talk to the teachers and say what? Talk to the students. Is water 

[01:35:32] Eldar: currently in the class? No. What do you mean? Like, what are you trying to learn? Right. Like if you're want learn something about computer science, like what do you teach?

[01:35:39] Eldar: Find out what the details of the curriculum are better. Yeah. 

[01:35:41] Tommy: Yeah. Read about it. The front page. The front page. It's 

[01:35:43] Eldar: gonna show everything. 

[01:35:44] Tolis: Better yet, take a tour of the school. Man. I have no idea what I'm gonna, they're gonna teach me, so I will know. I don't know. You know, I have a general idea. So more 

[01:35:56] Eldar: then more that.

[01:35:57] Eldar: Yeah. Then it's gonna be worth it if you don't know. They're gonna show you different things and maybe you will gravitate to one thing or another, then it's worth it. I got, I got a question. If you don't know nothing, then you have to start somewhere. 

[01:36:11] Harris: I got a question. Right, right. So if he, you 

[01:36:13] Eldar: have to start somewhere.

[01:36:13] Eldar: I, I have a 

[01:36:14] Harris: question for Tom actually. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Okay. I have a question for Tom. Actually, can you say this for next year? No, but this might, 

[01:36:19] Tommy: this might help cousin, right? Harris? 2020 Nano to save it for next year. Tom, you're actually gonna enjoy this. Somebody slow down 

[01:36:26] Harris: on this bro. This might actually help.

[01:36:27] Harris: Cousin Tom, you just took a tour. You're asking 

[01:36:30] Tommy: me a question to help cousin. Alright, I, I will participate in this scheme. When you 

[01:36:34] Harris: just took a tour of Yale, correct? I recently took a tour of Yale. When you took a tour of Yale, did they explain some of the classes and all that? On what you'd be learning in different things.

[01:36:44] Harris: No, 

[01:36:44] Tommy: Harris, 95% of everything that I know comes from the website. I and the little 5% is about meeting some people there and, um, seeing the, the, the campus. Mm-hmm. Um, and it was cold as hell that day. He kept asking, I don't shit about 

[01:37:00] Harris: the weather, but, okay. What I'm trying to say is, if cousin took a tour of this college and met some of, say the professors or walked through the class or stuff like that, would that help him learn a little bit about what he's gonna do?

[01:37:12] Harris: Do it could 

[01:37:13] Tommy: it could, you know, for me walking, it could, 

[01:37:14] Harris: we're a hundred percent sure Harris, but it could, so would it hurt that maybe cousin, if you walked cousin doesn't know 

[01:37:20] Eldar: how to do research? Man, I understand. Only survey one person, his friend. Understand. And that's, that's his research. I understand that.

[01:37:24] Eldar: This is what he calls research. Why not go to the 

[01:37:25] Harris: college, go into the office, go, go be like, how can I learn more more about this? If you're not a smart 

[01:37:29] Eldar: person, you have to try it. That's it. You have to spend the money. Enough is enough. You know, my cousin, yes or no. I don't wanna fucking hear it. I don't want to hear it about wasting money.

[01:37:40] Eldar: You have to fucking wait. If you an idiot, you're gonna waste money all your life. You 

[01:37:43] Harris: know, you know what the crazy part is to me, right? What? He's like, 

[01:37:46] Eldar: oh, 

[01:37:46] Harris: you know, it's not risk. It's, I'm worried about you spend money to learn. I get that. Even if you don't learn, you learn up, time out. I wanna say something with the right attitude.

[01:37:54] Harris: When you, when you told fuck that, when that attitude's gonna make 

[01:37:57] Eldar: you, yeah. It's gonna make you spend even more money. When you told me that it, 2000 fucking, 

[01:38:04] Harris: when you told me it cost $2,000 to go to college in Greece, you know how much it costs for us to go over here. Yeah, but what, what does 

[01:38:11] Toliy: that 

[01:38:11] Harris: even mean?

[01:38:12] Harris: Well, it's the difference there. There, man. 

[01:38:14] Toliy: Give it to you for 

[01:38:14] Tolis: free. $500 a month there at the end of your years, bro. I'm not making the American salary, so 

[01:38:19] Eldar: I understand that. Alright guys, show us the next question. But most of the people that go to college here do not have the fucking money, the college spend the money and that's it.

[01:38:26] Eldar: Show us what college show. If you're an idiot, you'll have to spend the money, period. It's tricky. Community college. If you are an idiot, you have to spend the money. You'll have to risk it. Yeah. If you're gonna 

[01:38:37] Tolis: be there for the rest of my life, you'll deal with it. Die like this. No, 

[01:38:42] Eldar: you'll deal with it. You, you, you'll be fine.

[01:38:46] Eldar: Yeah. Go to the local lunch shark. And tricky. 

[01:38:48] Toliy: Like I said, if you really don't want to be an idiot. Yeah. You really don't want to be an idiot. 

[01:38:54] Tolis: Yeah. Learn to do the research. Guys. Can we? Yes, 

[01:38:56] Toliy: you will. You will learn to ask the right questions. Question for guys. Can we 

[01:38:58] Tommy: make him a $500 scholarship that we will, will share How much you put in?

[01:39:03] Tommy: I'll put in 150. 

[01:39:05] Eldar: Okay. Mike, what? Aship? No. Hold. No. 150 from Tom. 

[01:39:11] Mike: Sure. Tom, you wanna match? Oh, I'll match it. 

[01:39:13] Eldar: Match, totally. I got 50 bucks. Three 50. Uh, 

[01:39:17] Mike: Harris, 

[01:39:20] Eldar: uh, I'll throw in 50. Why you do five? Okay. That's 400. 400. I got the, I got the hundred $500 scholarship. Ready? Yeah. 

[01:39:27] Tommy: We have a $500 scholarship for you.

[01:39:29] Tommy: And if it doesn't, if you quit, if you quit, 

[01:39:31] Eldar: if you quit in a week, I'm okay with throwing the money out. And you 

[01:39:33] Toliy: know what? They might even refund it. I'm okay with you. You keeping the money? Yes. I'll, I'll up my contribution to a hundred if you quit within a week. Huh? I'll up my contribution to a hundred.

[01:39:42] Eldar: I'll up my contribution to another a hundred dollars if he quits within a week. So that's 600, that's 700 now. 

[01:39:47] Speaker 13: $700. You know what 

[01:39:49] Harris: if he decides to stay? Yeah, I'll up mine to 150 if you pass the $800. Wow. 

[01:39:58] Tommy: I don't get $800. So that will be a kicker. That will be the, if he commits, if he commits and walks out, first date, I 

[01:40:04] Toliy: got two 50, first day, two 50.

[01:40:07] Toliy: If he commits for the two years for two grand, I'll match two. If there's in class, if there's an out person in the class, I'll match two 

[01:40:13] Speaker 14: 50. If you 

[01:40:13] Harris: go off on the professor, yeah, I'll give you 300. 

[01:40:19] Speaker 13: If you go off on the professor, say what you're saying. Make no fucking sense. Fuck off. I'll you 

[01:40:25] Tommy: 300. Well, hold on, hold on.

[01:40:27] Tommy: So let's do something says 900 in total now. No, no, no, no. There. No, there's a lot, there's a lot of kickers going on here out 

[01:40:36] Eldar: and his first day just put him, we don't have to remember this shit. This shit is recorded, professor. And then like, if whatever happens, happens, you're just like, yo, reimburse me guys.

[01:40:43] Eldar: No problem. 

[01:40:45] Harris: Okay. So in order to get my $300, okay, you have to go off on the professor. In order to get toll's money, you have to walk out on the first day. So I think, and mine 

[01:40:54] Eldar: too, two 50 and two 50. Okay. If he leaves the first day, 500 reimbursed. 

[01:40:58] Harris: Okay. But you know what, he gets 300 on top of that. But he has to do it all together, right?

[01:41:03] Harris: Yeah. He's gotta go off on the professor. That'd be good too. Then, then he has to leave. He'll make more money. Yeah. The first day. Yeah. You done with this? How about this? How about if he, how about this? How 

[01:41:13] Eldar: about this? What if he likes it the two years and he completes it? 

[01:41:18] Tommy: Tom, I, I would definitely be open to, uh, giving that same sum again, like at least $150.

[01:41:24] Tommy: Again, you gotta go more than that. 

[01:41:27] Toliy: If he completes the two years, two years, 

[01:41:30] Mike: he owes us 500. 

[01:41:31] Harris: Yeah, we, we, he gotta pay everything back, man. 

[01:41:36] Mike: No, he just owes us 500 each. 

[01:41:37] Harris: Yeah. 500 each. Guys, no, 

[01:41:39] Eldar: first we talked about that. If he quit mm-hmm. We would reimburse him stuff. But if he completes it, 

[01:41:44] Tommy: yeah. Total 150 double.

[01:41:46] Tommy: Yeah. So it'd be 300 in total. 

[01:41:47] Eldar: 300. Okay. Tom's doing 300. How many years is it? He completes it. How many years is it? Two years? If he completes it and gets a diploma? 

[01:41:57] Speaker 10: What 

[01:41:58] Harris: if 

[01:41:58] Speaker 10: I'm still 

[01:41:58] Harris: here,

[01:42:03] Harris: if I'm still alive? Like, are you still alive? I thought you're gonna Mars and I'm in a good place. Yeah. How much? Uh, I'll throw 400. 400. 

[01:42:13] Toliy: Alright. What, what if you're not alive? Yes. How much can you 

[01:42:16] Harris: throw away? L's gotta give you something from my life insurance. 

[01:42:19] Eldar: Okay. Mike, can we sign off for life insurance?

[01:42:21] Eldar: 'cause he's planning on dying. 

[01:42:22] Harris: I'm not planning on dying, but you never know what life entails. Gotta cut this. 

[01:42:27] Eldar: We can't be cut. I can risk it. I can risk 700. We have, uh, Mike. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll do 300. 300. That's a thousand. I'll go after you. Uh, 500. You have to match that 500. Okay. I matched that 2000. You gotta go up to 600.

[01:42:41] Eldar: That's it. Because if you complete the shit, we'll reimburse you $2,000. 

[01:42:44] Tommy: Yeah. And, and, and you'll know that you have at least $500 scholarship that you can keep as a gift if you decide not to go. What? What? No. Yes. Yes. That's a $500 scholarship. Is a gift. Yeah, that's true. And then how much does, how much does he give if he doesn't go?

[01:43:00] Tommy: If he pays and he doesn't go? Yeah. If you don't go and you're, if you decide, oh, you can still have the money back because you dropped within 10 days, fine. You keep the, the money. Yeah. Wow. And you can put, you can find another program to go to if you, you want, if that's the case, 

[01:43:12] Harris: you wanna make sure you do it on the first day because shut, you get a lot money up.

[01:43:15] Harris: You got 800. He's right about this. Yeah. You get a lot more money. Yeah. If you decide don't like it, he should do it. Make sure it's on the first day tape. Of course. Because, uh, he gets more money. Make sure you go off on the professor because you get a lot of money, man. Yes. You might get expelled. 

[01:43:28] Eldar: Right. The best way to get his money back is to, is to go for one day and quit and go off on the professor.

[01:43:33] Eldar: Then he collects like almost like 900. Now you, 

[01:43:36] Tommy: now this is what you have to do. You have to stand up and you say, take this. Yeah. No, I already 

[01:43:40] Harris: told him what he has to do, man. He's gotta inner Harris. 

[01:43:44] Speaker 10: You know, he's gotta, he's got, he does. Has that inside. Yeah. He's 

[01:43:46] Harris: gotta go. Oh fuck you man. You don't know what you're talking about.

[01:43:49] Harris: Man, fuck off man. Are you done? 

[01:43:51] Speaker 11: Motherfucker, fine. You get 

[01:43:52] Harris: $900. That's good. Yeah, good. Make sure you do it on the first day. 'cause 10 days later you get Alright, what's 

[01:43:57] Eldar: the next thing? Show me the next thing. Risk. We solved it. 

[01:44:02] Mike: Okay. 

[01:44:03] Toliy: I think cause is upset with the format here, elder. Yeah. I don't think he likes the, he would like, like a, like a serious environment without everyone interrupting and going off on, on tangents.

[01:44:11] Toliy: Stop it, Tommy. 

[01:44:15] Eldar: Is there a right time 

[01:44:17] Speaker 10: that someone should be successful? Uh, I don't know. Everyone has their own 

[01:44:23] Harris: timeframe, man. Okay. Done. 

[01:44:25] Eldar: Done today. Is 

[01:44:28] Harris: that 

[01:44:28] Eldar: good? Uh, no. I, it's a hundred percent. There's a lot to say about that. I agree. Right. I agree. Um, because I think su, like I said, success is subjective to each person.

[01:44:39] Eldar: Right. We all are on different timelines as to when we should be successful, right? Based on who we are, based on what we're working on, based on what we're struggling on. Like main me, it's 

[01:44:49] Mike: important thing here is to, if you say, Hey, I wanna be successful, is to really figure out what that means. Yeah. And put a scale to it.

[01:44:59] Mike: Yeah. You know, it's difficult, but it's like, um, if you say, you know what I want to be, I want to be, uh, healthy. Oh, okay. Is it like how much you weigh? Is it how much you could run? Is it how much you could lift? How many pushups or pull-ups? Until you create that scale for yourself. And if you really want to get actual success, you have to ask, you know, maybe call up soc.

[01:45:24] Mike: So he might not wanna talk to him now, talk to him, ask him some questions. Be like, Hey, am I correct here? Because I think there's, I mean, I think there's subjective success, but I think there's also objective success because do you understand 

[01:45:37] Eldar: what a subjective success means? No. No. Subjective means you are on your level, your toes lives in Greece, has this job, has this family, has these environment.

[01:45:51] Eldar: This environment, okay. You're not in America. This is your subjective experience. Okay? Subjective. This is for you. Subjective is your personal opinion basically. Yeah. Personal. Your personal experience. Your personal opinion, okay. Objective, right? Objectively we, what's a universal truth to gravity? Your parenting gravity.

[01:46:12] Eldar: Yeah. The sun. We all experience the sun, the moon, right? These are objective things, right? That we all experience. It's not personal things. You know how we relate to them. You can say, I don't like the sun, right? That's subjective. I can say I love the sun. That's subjective. The truth is the sun. The sun is there.

[01:46:31] Eldar: It's objective. Me. You don't want to disagree. That sun is there, right? The sun is there. Mm-hmm. Gravity exists. It works. Right. That's objective truth. It's not up to us. Okay. You like chocolate? I like vanilla. That's subjective. 

[01:46:48] Mike: Okay. 

[01:46:48] Eldar: Understand. 

[01:46:49] Mike: Okay. 

[01:46:49] Eldar: All right. So success. And I think that your next question is gonna be tied to this, right.

[01:46:56] Eldar: Is also subjective to a degree because you're working on some stuff. Harris is working on some stuff. Mike is working on some stuff. Tommy's working some stuff and because everyone has different things that they're working with, you know? 

[01:47:08] Harris: Okay. And one thing I wanna say is you cannot put a timeframe on success.

[01:47:16] Harris: That's what I learned. It's 

[01:47:17] Speaker 10: subjective Harris. 

[01:47:18] Harris: I know, but one thing I'm saying is what I learned, everyone 

[01:47:20] Speaker 10: has 

[01:47:20] Harris: different, yeah. What I learned is you can't put a timeframe on success. That's right. That's true. Okay. Wow. Thank you for sharing that. 

[01:47:26] Eldar: It's the truth. So there's no time we answer that question.

[01:47:29] Eldar: The next one is, how do you deal with people that they have a different mindset of success? Explain that. Um, Toles, how do you deal with people that they have a different mindset of the success? What do you mean by dealing with people? Us like 

[01:47:49] Tolis: no, like around you, in your environment. Uhhuh, get somebody judging you.

[01:47:55] Tolis: No. Saying like, okay, to be successful you have to have this, that do that. I deal with that 

[01:48:00] Harris: every day, man. And my dad. 

[01:48:02] Tolis: But yeah, maybe that he's your friend. Oh, okay. Sure. Yeah. You, you, I think you like him in your life, you know? 

[01:48:09] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:48:10] Tolis: What do you do? Like 

[01:48:12] Eldar: I think you have to reevaluate probably your friendship ultimately by ask first, by asking the question.

[01:48:18] Eldar: What do you mean asking him? Where did he get this information from and why does he think the way he thinks? And you'll quickly find out. Whether he actually understands what he's talking about and whether he made this up somehow, or whether somebody else told him to say this to you. Right. You'll find out by asking him these questions.

[01:48:41] Tolis: Yeah. But I don't think all French people in the world, they're like you okay. Asking, trying this? Okay. The question is, they're just 

[01:48:54] Eldar: being like, sure, sure. But should the world be like this? Sure. 

[01:49:01] Tolis: Yeah. Oh, well. Yeah, but it's not, and I can't change the world. I can't change. 

[01:49:07] Eldar: Well, who 

[01:49:07] Tolis: told, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[01:49:08] Tolis: Who told you this? You cannot ask this question. Yeah, I can. So what's the problem? So it's not that easy. They, it's not. Maybe there's, they're gonna take it like, oh, what are you talking about? Come on. Like, okay. Yeah. You know, and so they don't wanna talk. So you, everybody wanna talk. You wanna 

[01:49:27] Eldar: preserve, you wanna preserve your 

[01:49:29] Speaker 10: friendship.

[01:49:30] Speaker 10: You don't wanna mess it up. 

[01:49:32] Mike: Love you have, 

[01:49:33] Speaker 10: I've been going through with something similar with this. Can you please hold that thought? Thank you. If possible. 

[01:49:39] Speaker 7: He's leaving soon, man. Be nice. Is he? Because you're scared to mess up the friendship? No. 

[01:49:51] Eldar: Get into a fight with your friend. Get into a 

[01:49:53] Speaker 7: disagreement argument.

[01:49:58] Speaker 7: I, I don't have them like 

[01:50:01] Tolis: all day and every day like you. Mm-hmm. Uh, you don't have, people are busy. You know, you don't have, 

[01:50:08] Mike: uh, you don't have 24 hours in Greece. Oh.

[01:50:16] Tolis: To discuss and everything. You don't sit 

[01:50:19] Eldar: down for coffee and you talk. Yeah. What do you talk about? Yeah, 

[01:50:21] Tolis: but this maybe, and it's like days. So then, then, then you, this question will never come. 

[01:50:26] Speaker 10: Yeah. 

[01:50:27] Tolis: Who cares? Sit down with him. 

[01:50:28] Speaker 10: Take a couple 

[01:50:29] Toliy: hours. You have no time. Say, uh, yeah. Like what? I don't know. Time for this.

[01:50:32] Toliy: Like, how would this be an issue for you? Can, can, can you give us example? 

[01:50:35] Tolis: I'm not telling about my friends. Yeah. My friends was an example. Yeah. Dealing people in general. 

[01:50:42] Eldar: Okay. So if the people in general are giving you a problem about this, that means they want to either find out, ask you a question or learn about it, then you should dedicate the time to give it, to explain what you think.

[01:50:55] Tolis: Nope. If it's don't, I don't think many people wanna learn, ask 

[01:50:59] Eldar: if they don't wanna learn. Oh, so you want like a fake answer? 

[01:51:04] Toliy: No, no, no. But I'm not understanding, like, they don't ask in what? Like, but, but in what way would this be a problem for you? Can, can you Yeah. Explain this. Like how, how, how would this be a problem for you?

[01:51:16] Tolis: They're gonna be around me. Okay. Okay. Okay. 

[01:51:19] Toliy: Okay. Which means that if they're gonna be around you, you guys are spending time together, spending time together, correct? 

[01:51:27] Tolis: Yeah, babe. Okay. Maybe in a job. Okay. Okay. 

[01:51:31] Toliy: Okay. Okay. 

[01:51:32] Tolis: So you're 

[01:51:33] Toliy: coworkers. All right. 

[01:51:34] Tolis: Okay. 

[01:51:35] Toliy: You see them every day? 

[01:51:36] Tolis: Yeah. Okay. So they're not friends.

[01:51:38] Tolis: Okay. I'm not gonna like start a job somewhere and with a co-worker. And so you said, ask him, okay. What do you think about, oh, why did, yeah, but why do so, so then why did you make this question? I'm going to work. Why did you create 

[01:51:50] Eldar: this question? You said, how do you deal with people they, that they have different mindsets of success?

[01:51:56] Eldar: Are you thinking about 

[01:51:57] Mike: maybe family? 

[01:51:57] Eldar: No, no, no, no, no, no. Mike, you gave a very specific idea. I, 

[01:52:00] Mike: I mean, like.

[01:52:03] Eldar: What do you mean? Deal with them? In my 

[01:52:05] Tolis: mind? 

[01:52:05] Eldar: Why do you have to deal with them in the first place? Totally said. Like, when are you gonna have a problem? This question I 

[01:52:11] Tolis: have problem because I'm gonna be different from them. 

[01:52:14] Eldar: How do you deal with people that have a different mindset of about success? What do you mean?

[01:52:20] Eldar: Deal. Deal. 

[01:52:22] Tolis: Like look, not physically deal, like being different from everybody else where 

[01:52:28] Harris: they're gonna challenge you. Oh, he doesn't wanna stand out. He doesn't wanna be alone. Stand. No. Like for 

[01:52:33] Toliy: example, if you're working with somebody, and for them, success is all about making money. Yes. For example, and yours is different.

[01:52:40] Toliy: Five. What the fuck? What are you doing man? Five people around me. Okay. Okay. Okay. So what's the problem with that? What 

[01:52:48] Tolis: I'm gonna be like why, why I am gonna, how to deal be different a guy? No, 

[01:52:53] Toliy: but for example, like my idea of success is different from Harris's idea from success right now. 

[01:52:59] Tolis: Yeah. But most of them is the same.

[01:53:01] Tolis: So you can deal with it. What if everybody's here? No, but I don't 

[01:53:04] Toliy: have to deal with Harris's a different idea of success. 

[01:53:08] Tolis: Yeah, but you just have him like, 

[01:53:09] Toliy: but what, what does that mean? Like to, for, for, for me, if you use the word deal with something, yeah. It's, it means that's 

[01:53:15] Eldar: negative thing. Yeah. 

[01:53:16] Toliy: There, there is a problem happening now.

[01:53:18] Toliy: So like if there's five people whose most important thing is maybe like money cars, you know, I don't know, to like, whatever. Right. Um, but you're not then Okay, no problem. But then like, for, for me to deal with it is if like, like now someone is trying to make you do something or like someone trying to like, I dunno, challenge you on something.

[01:53:40] Toliy: Right? Right. Like, like Right. That would, that'll be the only scenario where you have to deal with somebody. Yeah. Right. But if they're on one path and you're on a different path and you're just working together, but it doesn't impede like what you're doing and nobody's challenging you. Right. Um. Like, there's no problem here.

[01:53:59] Toliy: Now, if you told me that they're working for you, they're, they're working like with you, for example, and maybe now, like on particular subjects, you say particular things and maybe they make fun of you or maybe they don't understand you. You, you can, you might have a question that's like, how do I properly articulate myself or explain myself or whatever it is.

[01:54:21] Toliy: Like that to me is more understandable. But like, if they just have their thing and you have your thing and they don't collide, then yeah. There's just no problem. Right. 

[01:54:30] Tolis: Okay. You, you could answer the, the examples. Okay. The coworker, the friend. Let's go more personally. Okay. Okay. Family. 

[01:54:38] Toliy: Family, okay. So what's an example of it?

[01:54:39] Toliy: A mom. Okay. Mom says what? To what Success 

[01:54:42] Tolis: is making money. Hmm. Okay, 

[01:54:45] Toliy: no 

[01:54:45] Tolis: problem. How you deal with this? 

[01:54:46] Toliy: Well, no. If this is her opinion, this, this is no her success, right? She wants 

[01:54:50] Tolis: that from you 

[01:54:50] Toliy: what 

[01:54:51] Tolis: to be successful and her mind successful is making money and be somewhere how you deal with this. 

[01:54:59] Toliy: But like, in in, in what way?

[01:55:00] Toliy: Is it like, um, like, like you have to deal with it, I guess. 

[01:55:04] Mike: No, but I think what he is asking is, remember the example you used? The, he wants answers. 

[01:55:08] Eldar: He wants to, like, how do you answer her? 

[01:55:10] Mike: He first, when you first started, uh, working here, you know, your parents were saying like, uh, they weren't saying, I don't know if it's a good idea or something like that.

[01:55:17] Mike: Do you remember something like that? Yeah, I do. Yeah. He's saying like, people are gonna challenge him. Like, yo, what are you doing? Why, why are you doing this? How did you defend yourself when they were coming to you? Well, how did I defend myself then? Yeah. He had a thing told, had a, when he first started working here, uh, told us, he was like, uh, his family was like doubting him.

[01:55:37] Mike: Oh no, you have to go to college. Like, you know, you're going to this new business. It just started like, you know, you gotta, you can't do this. It's too risky, blah, blah, blah. Whatever ideas they had totally had the situation. So I'm asking him, how did he deal with this one? They, his parents we're asking him these same questions.

[01:55:54] Mike: That's what I think he's trying to ask. I have the same situation. I can 

[01:55:58] Eldar: answer myself too. Yeah. 

[01:56:00] Toliy: Yeah. I mean, I felt like, I don't remember what I was saying, like, um, initially, right. But when my mom, when like my mom or whoever in my family would, would like say something like this, it would all be like, they would say something and then they would be like, Hey, I want the best for you.

[01:56:16] Toliy: Or like, I would just want you to be happy. Right. And then I, and, and then like, like after a while, like I, I'm not sure how, how, how long it took, I don't remember. Right. But like, I, I basically took their words and like flipped it almost like a, not not like against them, but basically to like, prove their point, but like, right.

[01:56:38] Toliy: Yeah. So, so like my mom, like, she always said like, Hey, we came to like, you know, America for, for you to live a better life. And then like, we did particular things so that you could be, I'm like, ma, thankfully to like the situation that you put me in. Right. I can do this kind of, I, like, I can do what I'm doing now and it's making me happy.

[01:56:55] Toliy: Isn't that like what you want from me? Like, you want me to be happy? Right. And like, that made me happy. Mm-hmm. So it was like basically like, you can't say anything back. Like, what are you gonna say back, Hey, I actually want you to do something different that's not gonna make you happy for, for example, 

[01:57:11] Eldar: you know?

[01:57:13] Eldar: Yeah. Uh, for me, for me told us a lot of the times, um, when I got into conversation with my parents, I quickly found out that they don't know what they're talking about. And I stopped taking them seriously, you know, especially about the things that they're talking about. Right. Um, in your mom's situation at least.

[01:57:36] Eldar: Right. Um, for a person who you would probably say that is not successful, who has not achieved the things that they supposed to achieve in life, right. Um, how can she be in the position to even give you advice or make you a judgment in the first place? Is your mom financially successful? 

[01:57:59] Speaker 7: No. Is your mom non-financially successful?

[01:58:07] Speaker 7: What? Is your mom a happy person? No, 

[01:58:12] Tolis: I don't think. I never ask you, so, 

[01:58:15] Eldar: but I don't think Well, cause you said your mom's crazy cause 

[01:58:17] Tolis: Yeah. But she says I'm not happy here, you know? Well 

[01:58:19] Eldar: there you go. If she says her own testimony is that she's not happy, you should take her word for it. Right? She's not happy.

[01:58:25] Eldar: Right. So for the people who didn't figure it out to give any kind of advice or to challenge you, to me it's madness. This is craziness. Yeah. 

[01:58:37] Toliy: Yeah. I think maybe he's asking them like how like may, maybe questions like how do you properly reply to these people? And I'm gonna tell you 

[01:58:44] Eldar: right now. Yeah. I'm gonna tell you right now.

[01:58:46] Eldar: For you to take those people seriously in the first place to take them seriously is where you went wrong in the first place. You know, they might do some things right, but if their general life is incorrect financially, happiness, love, relationships, friendships. She has no friends. You said, 

[01:59:10] Tolis: then 

[01:59:10] Eldar: what 

[01:59:11] Tolis: are we talking about guys?

[01:59:11] Tolis: Yeah, but that's what I, I was saying how to deal. Yeah. And I'm ex, I'm explain how I deal now. I just leave home every time. 

[01:59:19] Eldar: Well, yeah, it's not, it's not an option. Yeah. I explained to you that you know, you either you move out, right? That's how you deal. Okay. That's number one. Or you fight, 

[01:59:31] Tolis: I can fight. You see for hair, heels, not for mine.

[01:59:34] Eldar: There you go. I actually think that for her health, you need to fight. That's what I think. But that's a different conversation. Yeah. Okay. So to deal right Is to have the ability to take the time that is needed. To have a real conversation about what is it actually mean to be successful in their eyes. To find out what do they actually mean when they use the words that they use?

[02:00:10] Eldar: What are they actually saying? Right? Without throwing a fit. Without being impatient. Hey ma, what are you talking about? You wanna talk about this? Tell me exactly what you mean by that. And what you're gonna find out is that that individual who has not achieved those things for themselves in their life will not have the blueprint or the answers for you.

[02:00:39] Eldar: It is impossible. 

[02:00:41] Tolis: That's a different discussion. Ka. 

[02:00:43] Eldar: I know. Very different. I know. That's a way of communicating. 'cause some 

[02:00:46] Tolis: people, they, they don't wanna admit they failed. I 

[02:00:50] Eldar: get it. Ka 

[02:00:51] Tolis: but they blame everybody else. 

[02:00:54] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:00:55] Tolis: So if, if that guy 

[02:00:57] Speaker 6: Yeah. 

[02:00:58] Tolis: Didn't do that, 

[02:00:59] Speaker 6: yeah. 

[02:00:59] Tolis: He could succeed. Yeah. So I'm successful.

[02:01:02] Tolis: Yeah. But because of him, yeah. Everything is messed up. That's why, that's 

[02:01:07] Eldar: why when you came here, yeah. Right. When you came here, this was your mindset. Cause and today before we started the podcast, you know what you said, I realize it's on me now. I have the power, I have the choice. It's a different mindset.

[02:01:24] Toliy: Yeah. And, and, and, and, and then, um, in my experience, at least the, the people who try to give that kind of advice, if you welcome them into a real conversation Yeah. They're gonna oftentimes be like, ah, nevermind, nevermind, nevermind, nevermind. That's right. That's right. Like, my family will do that all the time.

[02:01:42] Toliy: All the time. Yeah. All the time. Right. Especially a lot of times or whoever, 

[02:01:48] Mike: whoever. 

[02:01:49] Toliy: Those people, those people, they don't want to be invited into a real conversation. No. No. 

[02:01:52] Eldar: And they never do. They're not prepared to have this conversation. No. You can be prepared for that conversation. 

[02:01:58] Speaker 6: Yeah. 

[02:01:59] Eldar: They're never prepared for those conversations because they're very impulsive the way they speak.

[02:02:05] Eldar: Yeah. They, they just, ah, 

[02:02:07] Toliy: yeah. They're just trying to say something to say something to maybe act smart or something like that. But nobody ever says, okay, let's have a conversation. Let's talk. You want me to be successful? Yeah. What does that mean to you? How does that look like? Let's talk Right, right away.

[02:02:21] Toliy: You'll see, when you ask those people to give you real information, real facts, real things to talk about, they're gonna be like, um, nevermind. Tos, nevermind. You know what, what's happening right 

[02:02:30] Eldar: now with Harris, besides the fact that he is on his phone? 

[02:02:34] Harris: Hey, man. Yep. Can I just got news from my dad that his best friend, she just died very good.

[02:02:41] Harris: So God bless 

[02:02:41] Eldar: America. 

[02:02:42] Harris: Yeah. I was, 

[02:02:44] Eldar: yeah. Showing support. You were crying. We don't care what you were doing. Uh, and that's not a good excuse to be not on this podcast. You know why? Hmm. Because this is the most important thing you should be doing. People die every day. BI 

[02:02:56] Harris: know. I was just showing support. You know what I mean?

[02:02:58] Eldar: You're gonna be all right. Thank 

[02:03:00] Harris: why for being here. I am here. 

[02:03:04] Speaker 10: I'm 

[02:03:05] Eldar: still here. I didn't pick up and leave. Harris has the same battle right now. He is like, dad, I'd like to give this a chance. I'd like to try this out. He's like, you're not gonna be successful. This is fake. This is not gonna work. You know, you're 

[02:03:19] Speaker 10: not a salesman.

[02:03:20] Speaker 10: You're not a nice guy. 

[02:03:22] Eldar: You know? Why are you gay? Yeah. 

[02:03:24] Speaker 10: Why are you gay? Fuck you man. Why are you gay? Why are you gay? You know what I'm saying? So 

[02:03:31] Eldar: he has the same thing. He has the same dilemma. Right? How do you have this conversation? How do you speak to these people? How do you deal with these people that are constantly questioning that you're not gonna be this?

[02:03:43] Eldar: Because they have a perspective about life, right? And I'm gonna tell you right now, your mom will probably have this forever. Even when you have money, even when you have family, even if you have this, guess what? I have it. You don't have it. Yeah, you don't have it. Everybody still has this. I have a family.

[02:04:07] Eldar: I'm happy. I make money. My mom still says fucking comments, crazy comments. The other day, my mom was like, you know, sometimes you know, men get bored. You know they should try other things. What the fuck? Who she saying is you? You? Yeah, man. What the fuck? Like, you know, try different women like that. I looked at, I said, what the fuck?

[02:04:29] Eldar: She's okay with your dad trying different women. Oh, I hope so. I hope so. I didn't turn it on her, but I was like, I was court of guard. I was like, what the fuck? What though? What's she bringing into the house? You know what I'm saying? She lost the guy. Why? Some, some something she's observing through her eyes, right?

[02:04:50] Eldar: Is not sitting right with her. She's not buying it. 

[02:04:54] Speaker 10: Maybe she wants to try something different, maybe. 

[02:04:57] Eldar: You want me to introduce her? What's wrong with you? Man, my mom's been itching, man. For you, man. She's like, yo, this guy, I already met your mom. This guy, this say got, 

[02:05:04] Harris: you know, I mean, this guy got, I mean, she did, she did start, uh, pouring me drinks before everyone got there.

[02:05:08] Harris: You know, she was trying to take advantage of, she was trying to take Inge. She, she asked me, she goes, Ooh, what, what, what do you like to drink? I said, you know, beer and yeah, you know, whiskey. She goes, what do you feel like having tonight? I said, uh, beer. And she goes, we, we go upstairs. She goes, okay, upstairs, we've been upstairs.

[02:05:27] Harris: Whoa, whoa, you went to our bedroom? Well, but we go into the kitchen and she goes, okay, pouring the big shot of whiskey. I'm like, you know, like, I just said beer, but whatever. I can't 

[02:05:37] Eldar: say. 

[02:05:37] Harris: Yeah. 

[02:05:38] Eldar: Yeah. Good. I think she likes you. Yeah. Yeah. When she went to put you the shot, were we checking her out? What's wrong?

[02:05:44] Eldar: Hey, man, it's between me and you, man. I ain't gonna say it to her. It's a sick shit, man. Fine, fine. What, what, what did you like respond? I was, I was like baffled by it. I was like, I, I wasn't even expecting it. So what'd you say? It's that something I, I like, I have a rebuttal to, so I was like, what the fuck? I didn't respond.

[02:06:02] Eldar: I was like, are you serious? Like, a lot of times I would said, what the fuck? You 

[02:06:05] Mike: don't have to respond 

[02:06:05] Eldar: to her or them. 

[02:06:07] Mike: They 

[02:06:07] Eldar: just 

[02:06:07] Mike: want 

[02:06:07] Eldar: say, they just want to say crazy shit. Yeah. And I, it was in the passing conversation, so I was like, no one 

[02:06:13] Harris: wants to hear from their mother. Like, yeah, yeah, 

[02:06:16] Eldar: no, like, I don't know.

[02:06:18] Eldar: She probably had some kind of grudge with Kat for, for the moment or whatever. Mm-hmm. Or whatever she had, whatever fuck she, she 

[02:06:25] Toliy: wanted to say, like, yeah, maybe I should get a few hoes on the side or something. No, I did, I 

[02:06:28] Eldar: think I did mention something like that. I'm like, yeah, you're right. I, I think, you know, some, I, I probably trolled her.

[02:06:32] Eldar: Well, she wanted 

[02:06:33] Harris: you to go have sex just so she can use you as a 

[02:06:37] Eldar: what? I don't know. I, I dunno what it was was a weird, it was a weird comment, you know? Yeah. That's a, that's a very weird 

[02:06:44] Toliy: comment. 

[02:06:44] Eldar: You know, but my mom is known for this kind of shit. She'll throw you, like, she'll throw you a crazy curve ball and you're like, what the fuck?

[02:06:50] Eldar: You know, for whatever reason she has, you know, what the fuck? What I'm saying is that at the end of the day, that. Because what happens is our moms, our family, our friends even, right. They'll have their own perception of what success means, and a lot of the time their subjective understanding of success will be applied towards you.

[02:07:15] Eldar: They'll say, oh, you don't have this. Oh, you don't have that? Oh, you're not happy. My mom constantly saying that. Like she's constantly saying, I just want my kids to be happy. Mm-hmm. I'm constantly telling my mom I'm happy. Like, I'm not lying about it. Like this is my testimony, like I have nothing to complain about.

[02:07:33] Eldar: My body hurts right now. I'm not happy. Not my relationship or my job or everything else. I know I beat myself up through a lot of sports and stuff like that. I need to heal, you know? 

[02:07:44] Tolis: My unreachable goal is like one day my mom to please her and say I'm proud. Oh, wow. That's my unreachable goal. That's the worst goal.

[02:07:55] Tolis: Yeah. Wow. Like proud. All these years, all these years. And the definition of successful here, I'm not sure. I never ask her. Well, there you go. Because I don't know how to talk. Yeah. I never discuss, I never do conversation, conversations. Okay. Yeah. With people. Yeah. I just like talking Nonsense. Nonsense. Every time.

[02:08:17] Tolis: Nonsense. Yeah. 90, 90% of me is talking my luck every time. Yeah. To everybody. Yeah. I'm a funny guy. I'm a troll guy. That's who I am. You know, there a boy there, I'm there boy, that he doesn't talk about problems because he, he doesn't, he doesn't have any problems. Yeah. Yeah. So he's strolling 99%. 

[02:08:37] Speaker 6: Yeah. 

[02:08:38] Tolis: Okay.

[02:08:38] Tolis: Yeah. So who that is? Yeah. 

[02:08:43] Harris: What the hell's wrong with you, man? I think you should change your legal name to there. Boy. Be wonderful. 

[02:08:50] Eldar: Yeah, I get it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That what to answer your question, Oz, right? You, you, you wrote how to deal with these people. Yeah. Um, is to have actual conversation.

[02:09:02] Eldar: Uh, you'll quickly find out that a lot of times these people have no idea what the fuck they're talking about. And this has been proven. You can take my word for it or you can try it. Yeah. But 

[02:09:10] Tolis: take uh, conversation with normal people. The problem is the, the normal, the not normal people 

[02:09:17] Eldar: got to be not normal for not having conversations.

[02:09:20] Eldar: 'cause you are not normal person. But just, and I'm telling you right now, if you don't have these conversations for the next 10 years, you gonna be even crazier. We are already think you're weird. You going to Burger Regional, you are already strange cause Oh yeah, yeah. You know how you think that his, his buddy, uh, John is strange.

[02:09:37] Eldar: We think that you're strange. He's capital s Strange. And it's gonna get worse and worse as time goes by. If you don't have these types of conversations with the world around you, you're gonna become strange. Very strange. 

[02:09:51] Tolis: Yeah, but I, I already told you. Not everybody wants to talk. Oh, I'm telling you right now.

[02:09:56] Tolis: 'cause you are 

[02:09:57] Eldar: wrong 

[02:09:58] Tolis: talking to very, very, very close. I think you should start out every, 

[02:10:01] Eldar: because everybody wants to talk. I think you should. I think that's why inside you're excited to go back to try this out. To see whether or not they, and I think you should 

[02:10:08] Harris: try it out on his mom by asking him what she, uh, thinks his 

[02:10:11] Eldar: mom might be a next level 

[02:10:12] Harris: boss.

[02:10:12] Harris: This, this is 

[02:10:12] Eldar: the last one. That's the last boss. Last boss. Which is fine. Last boss. Which is fine. Just like your dad. You know, you, you fucking Yeah. But I don't wanted to invite your fucking boys for a barbecue, bro. We still waiting for that. Fucking, oh, are we going 

[02:10:23] Toliy: Wednesday? 

[02:10:25] Harris: You know? Yeah. We're gonna go Wednesday.

[02:10:27] Harris: The thing is, it's also like gravity. He goes out and off the barbecue work. Come on. Gravity. It's like gravity. Everybody 

[02:10:32] Mike: wants the same stuff. Once. All the bullshit, the lies, the fake stuff. You know, you remove it. The layers of acting, uh, and the core, everybody, everybody wants to be happy. 

[02:10:46] Toliy: It, yeah. And like EE even before that, I think ultimately everybody wants to be themselves, you know?

[02:10:53] Toliy: But a lot of people are afraid to be themselves in particular environments or maybe with particular people. And I think that if you allow people around you to be themselves, they will all want to talk, but they don't talk to the people that they can't be themselves around. But if you, if you value these kinds of conversations and you invite some people to them, I guarantee you they will want to join.

[02:11:19] Toliy: Also. It's because you give them an opportunity to be themselves, right? Just like you have the opportunity to be yourself. Right. For example, around us at times, or have particular conversations around us that maybe you don't do with other people. It's the same thing. 

[02:11:41] Speaker 7: All right. Cause questions for that? Or was that, did 

[02:11:45] Harris: that stick?

[02:11:47] Harris: He doesn't know what's going on. This is true. Did you understand that English? 

[02:11:52] Tolis: Yeah. But you know, I still have maybe a little bit problem to expose myself. Okay. 

[02:12:01] Eldar: That's a different question. You got a lot of problem. '

[02:12:03] Tolis: cause when you talk about it, 

[02:12:05] Eldar: yeah. 

[02:12:05] Tolis: You're becoming fragile, right? Yes, 

[02:12:07] Eldar: yes. Vulnerable, we call it.

[02:12:09] Eldar: Yes. Vulnerable. Yes. I can't 

[02:12:10] Tolis: say the word, so, yeah, it's fine. It's fine. What I'm, oh, 

[02:12:13] Eldar: Harris can't say that word either. Yeah. Boy. 

[02:12:16] Speaker 11: Are you done? Motherfucker. Vulnerable. 

[02:12:19] Speaker 10: Vulnerable, vulnerable. Vulnerable. Okay. Yes. You just vulnerable. Stay it 

[02:12:26] Harris: with me. Spell it. Vulnerable. I like it. NE vulnerable. Okay. Uhhuh, 

[02:12:34] Eldar: I got, I got 20 N oh one, uh, him spelling the word vulnerable right now I got 20.

[02:12:38] Eldar: Oh, fucking, I'm not doing it park 

[02:12:40] Speaker 14: yet. Sounds good. You try to Jesus Christ. Then I'm on our bike, 

[02:12:44] Mike: and if it's supposed with a BI got extra 20. Oh my God. What do you mean vulnerable

[02:12:52] Mike: Sable? This guy serious. Are you trying to say something right now? Just say you wanted a bone vulnerable, crispy. He's got 

[02:12:56] Tolis: a, sorry. Yes. Yeah. So with you. Yeah. Here. Yeah. It's easier. Why? We're good at this. You're good at this. You're doing this. 

[02:13:08] Toliy: Yeah. You're okay to show your ass to Harris. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[02:13:14] Tommy: He did try to follow me in the bathroom. I have to tell you something. Can I just say this? I've told this story. I think it's the perfect time to say it. Oh, okay. I once, is it about run? I, can you expand 

[02:13:24] Toliy: on when on when you went running? I 

[02:13:25] Tommy: once brought a redheaded girl, a nice, redheaded, cute girl to meet these guys.

[02:13:32] Tommy: Okay. I thought, okay, maybe this will help me because these, these guys are awesome. Maybe I, I'll look good. I was like, you know, I'm trying to make myself look good. And, uh, she was not impressed. I, yeah, I didn't see any, any change. And we never spoke again. You were trying to get some popcorn. Popcorn, but, uh, afterwards I said, what the fuck?

[02:13:54] Tommy: So, it's very dangerous. Remember? It's, it's also kind of like a risk to say, oh, this is, this is all great. You know, there's maybe a lot happening, but it's all something that, uh, it's, it's in, it's in, it's in everything that you hear, you hear. We all, we all know this. We all know what's happening, you know?

[02:14:14] Tommy: So, I dunno. I think that's important because. The magic can happen, but it only happens when we all do it together. 

[02:14:23] Harris: Yo, can you go like you Tom, uh, because Totally. I had no clue what he just talked. You said the magic happens. And now can you, the question is what magic 

[02:14:31] Tommy: this is since Eldar iss not here, I'm gonna take some, uh, authority.

[02:14:35] Tommy: Uh, can you bring this out and take this into the world somewhere else? Absolutely. Because I've been doing it for years and, uh, and now that I find that I love doing something, writing, reading books, creativity, uh, it, it was a journey. I took some trips and I looked for myself and I tried so many things and I had ups and downs.

[02:14:59] Tommy: But I'll tell you that I really believe that, um, that life can be turned around and that it's never too late. These are just things that I believe and I love something now, and it, it makes my experiences, my connections. I feel it even more now. I feel a sense of connection with people. Oh my 

[02:15:19] Toliy: God. 

[02:15:21] Tommy: To even more now you don't 

[02:15:21] Toliy: have to text me this.

[02:15:22] Toliy: You could just ask Tom yourself. Tom tos would want tos just texted me saying that he would like for you to repeat the story about the running 

[02:15:31] Tommy: before we even continue. No. Show me the, the text isn't in a good thing. What? Show me the text. I'm not gonna show you the text. You gotta believe me, man. You 

[02:15:39] Toliy: know what, man?

[02:15:39] Toliy: He wants to tell a whole story from the beginning. 

[02:15:41] Harris: Oh, oh, totally. It's the one he texted in the group chat. 

[02:15:44] Toliy: Yeah. Oh, okay. 

[02:15:47] Harris: He texted everyone technically 

[02:15:48] Tommy: send it Harris. I, I, I, you don't have a poker face, can 

[02:15:51] Harris: you? Uh, wow, that was a good time. But you just said. 

[02:15:55] Speaker 13: Fucking shit. Everything. Nate, this Nate dad. I can't help it, man.

[02:15:59] Speaker 13: If Nate's listening to this, fuck you. He just did 

[02:16:03] Mike: talking. It made a lot of sense. I'll be honest. All right. So 

[02:16:06] Eldar: if you were sleeping, it made perfect sense. Tommy. 

[02:16:10] Speaker 10: Kind of go, bro. 

[02:16:12] Eldar: Tommy, it's one of those nights where I wish I could say that you made any sense. That's okay. Yeah. Time will tell. However, 

[02:16:19] Tommy: yeah, 

[02:16:19] Eldar: there's a possibility that, uh, I probably didn't understand some of this stuff.

[02:16:22] Eldar: It's a very small possibility of 0% chance,

[02:16:28] Eldar: but there is a possibility. Alright, so we, we fi we finished this one. Is it okay to feel your Oh no. How to deal with people that they have a different mindset of success, right? Yeah. So we finished that 

[02:16:39] Toliy: one. One, yeah. Just 1, 1, 1. One thing I wanted to note is that I think it will be difficult for you to like, describe how you like, maybe how you feel or like what you want or maybe what you believe in or what you agree on with people who completely disagree.

[02:16:55] Toliy: Especially if you're in an environment where there's a lot of these types of people. But I think eventually as these beliefs become stronger and stronger, it'll be easier and easier 

[02:17:04] Eldar: conversations. Yeah. To, 

[02:17:05] Toliy: to have conversations. But early on I think it's gonna be hard until you solidify these things for yourself.

[02:17:13] Eldar: Yeah. Right? For sure. That you're convinced. 

[02:17:15] Toliy: Yes. If you're not convinced and there's holes in there, you'll find it'll be difficult to, to explain or to talk. If you're convinced and you have the right evidence and you make these changes and you are this new person, it'll be very easy to talk about. 

[02:17:29] Tolis: That's right.

[02:17:29] Toliy: Very easy. 

[02:17:31] Tolis: But if, what if I try to talk, but it doesn't work? The words don't come out. No. Oh, I try to talk. Yeah, but we're not in the same like. Realm. Yeah. Page. Okay. You doing 

[02:17:47] Eldar: a good, a bad job communicating three, four times I run. Okay. I run. 

[02:17:49] Tolis: You're doing, you're doing a bad job. Communicating. Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm bad.

[02:17:53] Tolis: But yeah, you get done. You're better. That's your problem. That's good 

[02:17:56] Toliy: right now. Now there's something that you can do and that's something that someone el else's is like. Uh, yeah. 

[02:18:01] Tolis: But how you learn to, oh, communicate now. That's a very good question. Yeah. Do you want to learn? No, no. Wait, wait. This gonna help me?

[02:18:11] Tolis: Like in general, in every situation, never know. You probably, what do you think? What do you think? Because if it is gonna help with everything, yeah. Especially with relationships, I'm down. Okay, good. Oh, well, do you, do you think prob, 

[02:18:24] Toliy: do you, do you think proper communication helps with everything or one thing?

[02:18:32] Speaker 7: Can I answer what? 

[02:18:34] Eldar: Wow. He said, can I answer that? Do you think proper communication 

[02:18:37] Toliy: good Harris is in fucking tune right now? One thing or with everything? Everything. Everything. Everything. 

[02:18:44] Harris: Even though I can't figure it out yet. Everything. Yeah. You see, he knows 

[02:18:47] Tolis: this you, so you know how to teach, how not teach how somebody can learn to communicate Well.

[02:18:56] Tolis: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. 

[02:18:57] Harris: It's a process 

[02:18:58] Tolis: by being smart. 

[02:19:00] Eldar: Well, not the way you think of smart. Yeah. How about that? Not the way you think of smart. Not in a tricky way. No. Tricky. 

[02:19:09] Harris: Yeah. Yeah. No one's smart and tricky. I think 

[02:19:11] Eldar: that proper communication comes from wanting to communicate properly. Experience.

[02:19:15] Eldar: Experience sure helps for sure. But you came here on the first podcast, you said, you know what? I'm not gonna talk. I don't want to talk. 

[02:19:25] Harris: You went to Aruba, you didn't talk, 

[02:19:26] Eldar: I don't wanna talk. Right? And slowly you started to communicate. You started to express how you actually feel. And guess what? Through your communication, we're starting to understand him a little bit better.

[02:19:38] Eldar: Yeah, A little bit better. A little bit better. A little bit better. And now you can't stop talking, which is good. You're finally saying something. You know what I mean? What I 

[02:19:48] Tolis: saying? Nothing. You say that's, that's, that's, 

[02:19:51] Eldar: that's a reason for I say that. And I hope you can understand that. You know, we say that to humble you.

[02:19:55] Eldar: Maybe a little bit will tell 

[02:19:55] Toliy: me that for like 15 years. He told me that today. He's saying nothing. 

[02:19:59] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:19:59] Toliy: I mean, he was just saying it a moment ago. 

[02:20:00] Eldar: I heard it. Yeah, I heard it when you were in there. You said nothing, man, saying 

[02:20:05] Tolis: some kind of trick. 

[02:20:07] Eldar: Well, no, it's, there's sometimes we like to say something, but we're not really saying anything, you know?

[02:20:12] Eldar: Yeah. It's part, part of it is back communication, you know? 

[02:20:16] Harris: Yeah. 

[02:20:17] Speaker 10: And sometimes it is a joke. And 

[02:20:18] Harris: sometimes it is a joke. Yeah. 

[02:20:20] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:20:20] Harris: You can tell when it's a joke though. Yeah. You should be able to. But 

[02:20:25] Eldar: you, the truth of the matter is you could started to communicate, you started to communicate your feelings a little bit better.

[02:20:30] Eldar: Every single time. It's a little bit better. It's a little bit better. And the guys around you understand this. And I think through that, we're starting to understand who you really are. What's your personality? What do you have to offer in the conversation? And I think that we started to feel better and you started to feel better overall.

[02:20:49] Eldar: I think that's where the answer is at, right? That through communication, through actually expressing how you actually feel. You get somewhere, especially in an environment like ours, where we are ready to talk about this forever. We understand the importance of this. We live this life. That's why I feel like what we do in here is the most important thing on the planet.

[02:21:11] Eldar: That's how I actually feel. 

[02:21:13] Tolis: You know, 

[02:21:13] Eldar: not to two on horn, but to two on horn. 

[02:21:15] Tolis: Yeah. But you can't bring all the planet here. This is the planet. There's no other planet here. What do you think you doing right in 

[02:21:21] Harris: this podcast, man? 

[02:21:23] Tolis: Yeah. But. You can't, you have to find a way to reach the planet. No, it's 'cause when I was in Greece, I wasn't ing to learn Yeah.

[02:21:34] Tolis: From the podcast. Sure. You, you told me. Listen, but you know. Yeah. I said, okay, this is not gonna work for me. Socrates, 

[02:21:40] Harris: one soul at a time. 

[02:21:42] Tolis: Yeah. But when I came here and then joined Yeah. It was easier for me. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So not everybody can come here to join to, so I understand how helpful it is. 

[02:21:57] Harris: Yeah. 

[02:21:59] Tolis: Can I, can I 

[02:21:59] Harris: say something?

[02:22:00] Tolis: Yes, 

[02:22:00] Harris: of 

[02:22:01] Tolis: course. Harish. 

[02:22:01] Harris: Thank you, sir. Yeah. Don't he loves you, dude. Wait, let's put it this way, right? Yeah. El Dora's guests on the show all the time. He, he gives them exposure. Takes one guest at a time. We had Zeke that came here. Yeah. He was from fucking Australia. We have you that come here. He's from Greece.

[02:22:17] Harris: Next thing you know, we're gonna have some guy that comes from Pakistan. We're gonna spread. You want a guy from 

[02:22:22] Eldar: Pakistan? I'll get it. 

[02:22:23] Harris: What is wrong with you? It's just an example, man. He, 

[02:22:25] Tolis: he has a cousin in Pakistan. Yeah. Do 

[02:22:28] Harris: you We'll get him. What is wrong with you? No, but you know, you saying he can't, he can't tell the whole world.

[02:22:34] Harris: But Socrates didn't tell everybody in one day, man. He spread the word every time he, he walked, you know, he, he talked to someone. 

[02:22:42] Toliy: Yeah. Takes a little bit at a time. Those who really wanna find out will find out 

[02:22:47] Eldar: and they'll find us. Yeah. You know, I think we're, we're, we definitely speak to a very specific audience, right.

[02:22:53] Eldar: We're not just like, give me 10 steps for self-improvement and reach your goals and accomplishing. Because we're not that, we're not that at all. Yeah. Most of 

[02:23:03] Tolis: the people, this what they look because they want like, yeah. They want actually, you see shortcuts. They want like fast. No, no, no, no, no. 10 

[02:23:09] Eldar: steps. Okay.

[02:23:10] Eldar: You cannot, five years, you cannot find the stamina in your mind, in your body to listen to this podcast for as long as you have to in order to become better. Impossible. Impossible. I think the only one who's keeping up right now is Joe. But he also has reasons as to why. But in 25 years, yeah, in 25 years, they will, they'll have no choice.

[02:23:34] Eldar: They'll have no choice. No. You're gonna oppress them. That's it. Dictatorship. All right. Um, the next one is, is it okay to feel yourself successful and not to others? What do you mean by that? Because the way you've awarded this is confusing. I can 

[02:23:49] Toliy: translate. 

[02:23:50] Eldar: Yeah, it's okay. Let's totally try to translate, see if he's right.

[02:23:53] Eldar: Is it okay to feel yourself successful and not to others? 

[02:23:59] Toliy: Yeah. Like, is it okay if you feel successful, like if you feel that you're successful, but others don't view you as successful? 

[02:24:07] Eldar: Well, of course. I mean, again, you playing to the thing that like you care about what other people think. If success feels good to you internally, and you are thriving and enjoying yourself and you are happy, who gives a fuck what other people think?

[02:24:20] Toliy: Yeah. I think that like you have to get to the point where you actually feel that, for you to know how easy it is to not give a fuck. But until you feel that, yeah. It's very hard to imagines like, no, I, I wanna be successful, but I want everyone else to view me as, 

[02:24:35] Harris: yeah, 

[02:24:35] Toliy: successful tells 

[02:24:37] Harris: me this all the time.

[02:24:38] Harris: Who gives a fuck what they think? I'm not talking 

[02:24:39] Tolis: about the world. All the examples should be like more personal. 

[02:24:43] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:24:44] Tolis: Okay. And that's, who's the others? The more personal every time. What does that mean? Friends? Like very close people. Yeah. Friends and 

[02:24:52] Eldar: family. It's the same shit that the world, they 

[02:24:54] Harris: represent the world.

[02:24:55] Harris: El Eldar talks about my dad, who gives a fuck what he thinks, you know? 

[02:24:58] Eldar: Yeah, yeah. That's what he feels. That's why he's still here. If he followed what his dad said, he should have quit a long time ago. 

[02:25:04] Harris: Oh, I should have quit. Like the first week you have 

[02:25:06] Speaker 10: a deadline to your birth birthday. Fuck that bro. 

[02:25:09] Harris: You 

[02:25:09] Speaker 10: see, my dad already knows.

[02:25:10] Speaker 10: He goes, 

[02:25:11] Harris: you're not planning on leaving, are you? Mm-hmm. Did you say Yes dad? I'm not, yeah, I did that. 

[02:25:16] Toliy: No, he didn't say that. I said, dad, I'm actually showing improvement, 

[02:25:20] Harris: you know, in certain things. Mm-hmm. And I said, you know, I'm, I'm giving this a shot. You know, cap Pacino, he already knows. He, he knows perform, he knows by my, uh, by my temperament, the way I talk about the job, the way the excitement.

[02:25:31] Toliy: Wait, question how much, how, how much do you have on, uh, not, not video 'cause I think it might be too advanced and too hard for to get it. But just at Harris asking, uh, what Harris showing you? A recording of him telling his, telling his dad of like, Hey, I actually made a cappuccino for my boss today. It is frighten.

[02:25:51] Toliy: He rated it, you know, like 9.5 out of 10. And then when he took a shit, but then went 20 minutes later, it went up to 9.6. He Yeah. Yeah. It went up at two, two points. And then, you know how, and then his, that'll say no how well he had to take a shit. So I got a two point. My dad, dad's not a coffee drinker.

[02:26:09] Toliy: Hold on, hold on. Are you kidding? 

[02:26:11] Speaker 14: My dad's not a coffee drinker. I got a thousand. My dad's not a, I said, wow. My a 

[02:26:18] Speaker 10: yeah. To tell my dad this, you to explain the whole run through it. Explain 

[02:26:22] Toliy: it. 

[02:26:24] Harris: Really? Yeah. Yeah. My dad's gonna say this stupidest thing in the world, but 

[02:26:30] Eldar: yeah, I think it's worth it. 

[02:26:31] Harris: I'll do it tomorrow.

[02:26:32] Harris: You have to record it. You you have, I can be like voice recording 'cause by whole 

[02:26:35] Eldar: No, no. We want see a video. I wanna see reactions. If I hold up to camera, like the whole time, my dad's gonna be like, we can set up a little thing in your, in your, in your room. People would love that. My room. Yeah. We can set up like a little thing.

[02:26:46] Eldar: So when you are like laying on your bed. My dad's not gonna talk to. He shaking your lens and 

[02:26:51] Harris: your dad comes in. 

[02:26:52] Eldar: Fuck 

[02:26:53] Harris: no, but my dad's gonna know it's video, so he won't know. So what I set it up on, you set up a small old camera. I have a little thing right there. Uh, I mean that's pretty obvious though.

[02:27:02] Harris: What 

[02:27:02] Tolis: do mean, what do 

[02:27:03] Harris: mean? 

[02:27:03] Eldar: It's a type on I'll your like a fucking bomb blow open there. I'll try to set up my phone. No, my thing, my microphone, he'll stand exactly where you usually have him standing in front of the door. He doesn't come in. Right. He just hangs around 

[02:27:16] Speaker 10: around the door he got and put a little microphone there.

[02:27:18] Speaker 10: He hands around on a seat. That's it. Perfect. Perfect. Even better. 

[02:27:21] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:27:23] Speaker 10: Epic 

[02:27:23] Eldar: question. My dad's 

[02:27:24] Harris: gonna be like, what 

[02:27:25] Speaker 10: the fuck? 

[02:27:26] Eldar: So tell me about your work. What'd you do today? And then Harris' like, well, you know, we have this thing that we do. Um, we do Triple T's. We rate coffee, sugar, the tea. Yeah. Yeah. You have to explain that as well.

[02:27:36] Eldar: Yeah. So he like, what do you mean the rating? He's like, okay, first we rate the temperature of the coffee, how hot it is, because my boss really likes it. Really hot. Then we talk about the taste. And the third one we talk about the Triple T's is sugar, but sugar is spelled with a T sugar because it's old English.

[02:27:52] Eldar: Okay. Dad, did you know that it was used to be spelled with, with the, with a T. This 

[02:27:56] Speaker 14: is gonna be a fucking, 

[02:27:58] Eldar: oh. That's how we rate it. And typically I get this number and then you go, I actually told my 

[02:28:02] Harris: dad, I said, yeah, dad, uh, I'm part of a cult. 

[02:28:05] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:28:06] Harris: Good. He goes, whatcha talking about? I said, yeah, we run a thing called elder.

[02:28:10] Harris: Mm-hmm. And I said, you know, if you really listen to it, you'd understand. You start by swallowing 

[02:28:15] Eldar: cinnamon and then you go move up to your ranks and swallow four dick. But yeah. Oh my 

[02:28:18] Harris: God. I was fucking with him. I was going, yeah, I'm part of a cult, you know? Yeah. He goes, whatcha talking about? I said, yeah, AISM.

[02:28:25] Harris: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I said the Aism party. Yeah. 

[02:28:28] Eldar: Good. When are we gonna meet him? Uh, he sounds like a very, uh, fabulous man. He's not, hes not. I can't wait to meet him. I told, I mean, he, 

[02:28:35] Harris: he's, he is a good dad, but he's also way too controlling. That's 

[02:28:39] Speaker 10: okay. 

[02:28:40] Tommy: Alright. Um, Tous que question guys. Yeah. About concerning success, 

[02:28:45] Speaker 6: Uhhuh.

[02:28:45] Tommy: How, how can this feel like? Um, yeah, I mean, when I think about what, what Tous asked I, I ask myself about my experiences. Like when I, um, you know, when I move forward with from one thing to the next, you know, or like I was talking about this before, my reading keeps me going, so it keeps me coming back and I feel maybe even more connected to, to doing this work.

[02:29:11] Tommy: So it feels like the more consistent I am, I guess the more, more I feel that experience of success. I just wanted to ask about that. What is this ex experience of feeling successful? What is this successful experience like? You feel it, but what is it that you feel? Joy? 

[02:29:33] Eldar: I think that, uh, it is very difficult, Tom to achieve success and feel happiness from, um, attachments that were unexamined.

[02:29:43] Eldar: Okay. I don't know if that's gonna sit with you. Oh 

[02:29:44] Toliy: yeah. Yeah. Makes sense. Huh? Don't going down that rabbit hole, you're 

[02:29:47] Eldar: gonna settle. I'm just leave. I'm gonna just leave you. Yeah, yeah. You ponder on that? Yeah. Okay. I'm not gonna expand on it. Sorry. Harris. I know you like you right now. You like really in tune with me, but I'm not gonna expand.

[02:29:59] Eldar: Did you take edibles, man? I did. 

[02:30:01] Speaker 10: Oh, 

[02:30:01] Eldar: okay. Very good. I took like a 

[02:30:01] Speaker 10: whole brownie one. Oh. What you, you ate my shit when I fucking took my shit that day? No, 

[02:30:07] Speaker 6: that's disgusting. You z Fuck. Did you 

[02:30:09] Harris: really? Yeah. Is he? Yeah. I'm sorry. He's not eating my shit when I, shit. Come on man. Is he dumb? You really think I'm gonna take a shit outta the toilet and eat it, so, okay.

[02:30:21] Harris: No. Did you eat edibles? 

[02:30:23] Eldar: Uh, no he didn't? No. What the fuck told us 

[02:30:25] Speaker 10: did El 

[02:30:26] Eldar: is it okay to feel yourself successful and not others? We help 

[02:30:29] Speaker 7: you with that.

[02:30:35] Speaker 7: Totally. Clearly tell, told you that Harry, he 

[02:30:37] Toliy: wanted to. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to feel. 'cause I feel like Right, right now, his success is dependent on how others think about him. Yeah. Think about him and how the people around him view him. That's like where his success is by 

[02:30:49] Harris: all questions. I have to agree. 

[02:30:51] Eldar: If most of his life, right?

[02:30:53] Eldar: Yeah. He pedaled this image. Yeah. Right. He was selling his image to the world and whatever he was getting from them, acknowledging him or embracing him, like, yeah, you're so smart. Oh, you are a hero. You know, letting go of that is gonna be difficult. Yeah's a work in 

[02:31:10] Toliy: progress, 

[02:31:11] Eldar: becoming vulnerable, right. And open.

[02:31:14] Eldar: It's gonna be difficult, 

[02:31:15] Toliy: but it's a requirement for real change. 

[02:31:18] Eldar: Yeah. It's a requirement. 

[02:31:20] Toliy: There's no way, uh, there's 

[02:31:21] Eldar: no way around it. Yeah. Yeah. Alright. And the last one, guys, we've fucking been doing this for two and a half hours. What if you are optimistic about, you become, becoming successful and you deal with many obstacles and you start to fail and you don't see it anymore happening, and you get negative.

[02:31:43] Eldar: How do you deal with this again, to get back mentally? Explain that a little bit better. 

[02:31:49] Tolis: I don't even understand either. 

[02:31:52] Eldar: You, you didn't understand. I, man, why don't you, yeah. It sounds like if you're like in a, like you have a vision and you're following that success and then it's not working for you and you fall down, you start feeling bad, how do you kind of pick yourself back up and Yeah.

[02:32:07] Eldar: How do you pick yourself back up? Let's skip this question. Yeah. After, 

[02:32:10] Tolis: like, you know, I, I think right now like me Yeah. Being like positive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a path to be like successful, you know, and I'd be very careful about being 

[02:32:23] Eldar: extra positive. I'd be very careful. Okay. Because you get excited a little bit, but certain things you might have not learned.

[02:32:32] Eldar: So you might have stepped on those minds, those bombs, you might step on those bombs. And that's what you're talking about. Those bombs still exist. Right? Before you were blind and there were a hundred bombs, now you took one eye off, half off, and there's maybe 50, but they're still there. 

[02:32:51] Tolis: Yeah. 

[02:32:52] Eldar: The way to deal with this is to know, okay, that you're still ignorant, that you didn't figure it out, that there's a lot more to learn.

[02:33:02] Eldar: So when you hit that bomb, you're like, oh, I knew it. This was it. I didn't see it, but I knew it was there. Oh, you don't know what they are, but know that they're there. 

[02:33:14] Toliy: Yeah. It's like, like sales. If you bring it into a, if you bring it into like Cs, right? What happens right now if you're on CT side and the game starts and you run and you rush eight doors and you just walk out towards the cab, what, what's gonna happen?

[02:33:29] Toliy: Yeah. You gonna get poof. You can get shot. You're gonna get shot. Right? You could get shot. Yeah. Has that ever happened to you? 

[02:33:34] Eldar: Uh, many times. Okay. 

[02:33:36] Toliy: But after particular periods of time, you learn from that, right? And now you're like, yo, I'm not gonna just run out. Yeah. Or like, or, or, or like what happens right now if you just run into the eight doors just inside and you're on CT side?

[02:33:47] Toliy: Yeah. There could be someone in there. What, what do you do first? Yeah. Throw an aid. You throw an aid, right? Yeah. You do that. Right? So as you learn these particular different things, now these same, the same silly mistakes, for example, that maybe I'm gonna make is not gonna happen to Ldar, but it's gonna happen to me.

[02:34:06] Toliy: Right. Or like all, all, all these different variables. Right? And I think the better that you get at life, the less like those kinds of things will happen. 

[02:34:17] Eldar: But I think also too, but you cannot get arrogant. Yes. And think that you got rid of all the bombs. 

[02:34:23] Harris: Yes. 

[02:34:24] Eldar: That's something I not I do when I 

[02:34:26] Harris: close a deal.

[02:34:28] Harris: Right. I lose sense. Yes. That I still have a lot to learn and I'm so hyped up like, like it's like an adrenaline rush 'cause and for a couple minutes I lose sight of it. But l Dart will then remind me that, you know, don't get ahead of myself. That's right. That I still have a lot to learn and I had to be reminded because I lose sense of it when I close the deal.

[02:34:50] Harris: I just closed, closed this, uh, big deal that it's a big deal to me because it is for Yeah, it's the biggest. Yeah, it's the biggest. And I was so hyped up and El do I have to remind me, Hey, you still got a lot to learn. Don't forget that. Yeah. Don't lose sight of that. 

[02:35:04] Eldar: And then boom, he lost sight of it and he fucked up the chat.

[02:35:07] Harris: Yep. He stepped on the bomb again. Big. I got a big fucking head. And a reminder that hey, you're not done yet motherfucker. You're not shit. 

[02:35:15] Eldar: You're not shit. Because you're still making mistakes. You're making amateur mistakes by not paying attention, by being scared, by answering this client a very specific way that you didn't pay attention.

[02:35:27] Eldar: 'cause you're scared 

[02:35:29] Harris: you have a good call, you lose focus, you fuck up. 

[02:35:32] Tolis: Yeah. But you can't know everything. There's like, like, like some, but you can tr life barriers. Yes. You know? Yes. You can't like, 

[02:35:39] Eldar: but you try. That's the thing we're trying to do our best to mitigate or prevent this risk. We're trying to prevent it by being smart, by trying to do research, by trying to do things.

[02:35:53] Eldar: Ask questions before, ask questions. Be curious so it doesn't happen. I told you. Yeah. But it's gonna happen. Asking, asking one friend about a college that admits hundreds of people and been operating for years and getting only one review and going off of that, 

[02:36:12] Speaker 7: it's not a smart decision.

[02:36:16] Speaker 7: Not smart. 

[02:36:17] Eldar: I. Especially if this friend said that Mar uh, Marvin Gardens is a bad game. 

[02:36:22] Speaker 5: Marvin 

[02:36:23] Toliy: Mar Gardens rivals. Yeah. I, I, uh, I'm, um, I'm also saying a crazy hack, which you're not going, going to do. I would put whatever amount of money on this. 

[02:36:34] Eldar: Oh, shit. 

[02:36:35] Toliy: By the way, you're giving you a hack. You get cheat code.

[02:36:37] Toliy: Yeah. This is a crazy cheat code. And this is a crazy cheat code for Harris too. And he knows this cheat code. I'm, I could say it over and over again. He'll never use it. And, and, and he's not gonna do it when there's time to make a decision or to feel a particular way about something, which is the same way as making a, a decision.

[02:36:54] Toliy: If you ask, 'cause beforehand it's very hard thing. You probably have a 90 to 95% or higher success rate, not step on the bomb. I, I would say Right. 90 to 95, only a fool. Only a fool would not take that free gold. The person who takes Tara's 

[02:37:15] Eldar: advice and says, yo, we should, we should ship it back to Australia.

[02:37:19] Eldar: And then finds out that the postage is double. Yeah. Yeah. And says, and says, oh, that was a good idea, Tara. 

[02:37:24] Harris: Well, listen. There's times when I'm on a call and Eldar is guiding me through a call, and I notice that if I don't listen to 'em and I say something, it's stupid. And I, I see him and, and, and the side of my eye going, the fuck.

[02:37:41] Harris: But when I do say something and he says, you know, he, he'll advise me to say something a certain way and the, the client laughs and chuckles a little bit. I'm like, oh shit, he's good. You know, I should fucking do this all the time. And the call goes good. And then he'll go see, you 

[02:37:58] Speaker 10: know. You listen. I'm good, man.

[02:38:01] Speaker 10: Hey, fucking good. 

[02:38:03] Toliy: That's a, that's a hack cut. Okay. But you're not gonna do it and Harris is not gonna do it. 

[02:38:07] Tolis: No, I'm gonna do it a hundred percent. You're not. No. No chance. No. I'm gonna do it. He has all the, I said the same thing. No chance 

[02:38:13] Harris: Carson. It's very hard to do. 'cause no chance. It all comes down, I guess, to the ego.

[02:38:17] Harris: Yeah. There's no, that's why it's, 

[02:38:18] Mike: yeah, that's, that's a fucking, that's interesting. 

[02:38:21] Toliy: But I can't conquer my ego. Yeah. Hardest my ego, my evil twin hardest. Because for, in order for you to do this, right, in order for you to do this, you need to genuinely feel inside on all of these different things that you don't know.

[02:38:34] Toliy: And I'm betting against. So that is not gonna happen because you prove to yourself and to us that you do know. So people who know are not gonna ask. People who don't know and actually don't know are gonna ask. And life always shows that people know, 

[02:38:52] Eldar: oh shit, that's a mic drop. 

[02:38:55] Toliy: They always show that. 

[02:38:56] Tolis: Yeah.

[02:38:57] Tolis: But like, I'm a gamer and I like cheat and I like to cheat. So, we'll we, this, this is a 

[02:39:01] Speaker 10: different kind of cheat. 

[02:39:03] Eldar: This is, yeah. This is not a cheat, this a life cheat. We'll see. Life hug. Yeah. But it's not, it's not. Because if it's 90, the one 

[02:39:09] Harris: question I have is, cousin, if we add this you to this group chat, will you actually use it?

[02:39:17] Harris: Why? Why do 

[02:39:18] Eldar: you care about that? I'm just saying, it's not like, 

[02:39:19] Harris: is he gonna go out on his own and forget about everything? Well, 

[02:39:23] Eldar: who 

[02:39:23] Harris: cares? 

[02:39:23] Toliy: Yeah. If he does. 

[02:39:24] Eldar: If he does, then he does. That's his choice. That's his choice. Yeah. If he wants to participate, he participates. If he doesn't wanna participate, then he doesn't participate.

[02:39:31] Eldar: Who cares? You want? Why do you care? 

[02:39:33] Harris: Because you know, I don't want him to go back to Grace and go back to his old life. Why 

[02:39:37] Eldar: not? 

[02:39:37] Harris: Why 

[02:39:38] Eldar: not? I think he loves him. Wow. He's my brother, man. Wow. Okay. That's cool. That's nice of you. You know that. 

[02:39:46] Harris: I don't want him to go back to Greece and be fucking miserable again and fall off track.

[02:39:50] Harris: What if he commits suicide? Whatcha gonna do what? What if it's his job that's not gonna do that? Fuck, that's fucked. He, you know, always 

[02:39:55] Eldar: kept saying that, man, he is gonna jump over the bridge, man. Yo, he came here, right? 

[02:39:59] Harris: The first couple weeks. 

[02:40:00] Eldar: He does. You can't attach yourself to this man. You have a life to live, dude.

[02:40:02] Eldar: You can't put your happiness in his basket, man. Yo. What if he parishes? I, 

[02:40:06] Harris: I remember when he came here, him saying, you know, I don't give a shit if I die. You know, he's so miserable. Yeah. I'm like, yo, this motherfucker needs to go admit himself to the goddamn hospital and get a shit checked, man. 

[02:40:16] Speaker 10: Yeah.

[02:40:18] Speaker 10: You'll love him, dude. He's my brother, man. I think that's love, man. What is wrong? 

[02:40:23] Eldar: If there was gonna be, if there was gonna be four dicks that you have to swallow, whoa. Whoa. At least I, at least I know which one's going first. Whoa. 

[02:40:29] Speaker 10: You sick 

[02:40:31] Eldar: man. 

[02:40:32] Speaker 14: Sick fucking fuck, 

[02:40:33] Eldar: man. Alright. Um, 'cause any questions about that last question?

[02:40:40] Eldar: Okay. 

[02:40:41] Tolis: Yes. Uh, the only time that maybe you are right about telling this to me that I'm not gonna ask, I'm gonna, I'm not gonna use the cheat is because like, it's not like asking and he's gonna answer me right away. He's gonna try like to find out what's going on. Find out. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I need to know the story, do conversation, you know?

[02:41:13] Tolis: Yeah. So that's the only, like, maybe, you know, I'm not gonna use it every day. That's it. Code. Okay. Because you're not gonna, I'm not, I'm not gonna ask you. Okay. Should I do that? Yes, do. You're not gonna do that. 

[02:41:31] Eldar: Why not? Well, it depends on, on, on what it is you're gonna say. 

[02:41:34] Tolis: Why are you gonna say what and why?

[02:41:36] Tolis: Yeah. A lot of times I'd like to find out do that. So it's gonna take some time. Time. So maybe I'm not gonna have time every time. Well, well, I if it's you're not gonna 

[02:41:44] Toliy: ask him like, Hey, should I shit on the floor or the toilet? Yeah. Shit. Yeah. Like now, if you were planning on shitting at, at 6:00 PM maybe ask him at 

[02:41:52] Eldar: lunchtime.

[02:41:53] Toliy: Yeah. I hope the decision 

[02:41:55] Eldar: that you're gonna ask me about has some time. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Has some room for time. Now if you're 

[02:42:01] Toliy: dying of hunger. Should I eat the ham or the chicken? The chicken. Yeah. Like, 

[02:42:06] Tommy: as it should be. If you're planning for school, plan a few months ahead, do some homework. Where the 

[02:42:10] Harris: fuck did this come from, man?

[02:42:12] Eldar: What? Yeah. He's gunning for you, man. Yeah, but don't, don't forget he's ours. I know. All right. We love him. So, Mike, you sleeping man. Give us something. Are we onto something? Are we saying something? Did s get anything out of this? I 

[02:42:27] Tolis: don't say anything. No. Say nothing. 

[02:42:30] Mike: Uh, it only depends on how s feels. If he feels like he learned something and useful information.

[02:42:36] Mike: Good. Like whatever we said, it doesn't matter whether the person uses it or not, or anything we just said, what, 

[02:42:44] Eldar: what it is. Did we activate ourselves, or at least that cousin participate in such a way where he had no choice in the matter, but embodied some of the knowledge? Of course. Wow. 

[02:42:55] Mike: Because cousin is just like anybody else.

[02:42:57] Mike: He's just a little boy. Yeah. Well, he is just a little boy, but he's also susceptible to gravity just like anybody else. 

[02:43:02] Eldar: Yeah. And I think our gravity is a little bit stronger than out there. 

[02:43:05] Toliy: Yeah. I think that interesting that this might tie into the nature versus nurture argument in that like, I think people are looking for, um, a clear like, um, winner of some sorts.

[02:43:15] Toliy: Yeah. Right. And I think that maybe the way to look at that is, um, is that like nature can, uh, well, no, no, sorry. Nurture. Nurture can, um. The environment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The environment can definitely help. And it can definitely have a particular gravitational pull. Yeah. Towards particular things when you're around like certain individuals that will leave you no choice to, you know, act a particular way or like Yeah.

[02:43:44] Toliy: Like ob observe things maybe you haven't seen like in the past. Yeah. But you still need to take advantage of those types of teachings and lessons to when you go into nature. Right. Like, like, like, like to when you leave that kind of nurtures environment and you need to take, take that like, um, with you and then you still need to make those changes so that like, you could use those things outside 

[02:44:10] Speaker 7: of that kind of place.

[02:44:12] Speaker 7: Like a tip, you know,

[02:44:18] Speaker 7: you underst sound. Not really. Okay. 

[02:44:22] Tommy: I was just listening to podcast. I don't know what it was. 86 or something. Are you cheating on us? Totally asked. Okay. He asked, uh, you, I think, I don't know when this happened. Uh, but you asked it, it was your question. You said, uh, I'm looking for a list of things that I can do consistently that will like, will make a body of work.

[02:44:42] Tommy: Like he was looking for a list of things that he could just repeat and that would level him up. 

[02:44:50] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm. 

[02:44:51] Tommy: And it made me think about how I started writing. Like, I don't know, four years ago, every morning I would sit down and I would write every morning and 

[02:45:00] Mike: What'd you write your name? A hundred. 

[02:45:02] Tommy: I 

[02:45:02] Mike: got 

[02:45:02] Tommy: this 

[02:45:03] Mike: practice.

[02:45:03] Mike: No thoughts, 

[02:45:04] Tommy: just your thoughts. You know what you're thinking, you know, just whatever you're thinking three pages consistently every morning. And now I learned this practice from somebody else and I said, no, I'm not gonna do it her way. I'm gonna do it my way. And when I do this now I'll have the material for a book.

[02:45:23] Tommy: Well, three years went by, no book. I do this every day. It just doesn't make sense. There's no, but there's no book in there, nothing. So, uh, I don't know. I would just point to that podcast. Not that I have it all in mind clearly right now, but it seemed clear that from what that pos what you extracted from that podcast was you, uh, you re you, uh, remove the things and focused on one thing to do.

[02:45:52] Tommy: So all this stuff, it might seem like a big mess. It'll take care of itself. If you focus on one thing to do, and this might be your plan, a little backup plan, the some of the lessons you've learned here, and you say, I, if I do these things, if I do this one thing this way, then all the mess will start to maybe, uh, over time, you know, one, one little thing change here, or one little change there.

[02:46:22] Tommy: You know, as long as you can find joy in what you do and, and remove all the things you need to do and all the mess, you know, uh, from your mind. Right. Clear your mind. That's kind of what I got from that. It was good. It was, it was very interesting because, you know, I'm not the only one who realized that, you know, I want things to change and, you know, and I, I, I want to, you know, I want to kind of find some something that will work magic, but Oh, that work?

[02:46:56] Tommy: The magic is here. It's in you. Oh, it's in you. The door. The magical doors. Magical doors. I, I listened to that one too. Yeah. 

[02:47:06] Harris: Uh, I just like to say, Tommy, I'd really like to read these pages. 

[02:47:11] Eldar: Good. Thank you. Wow. You would 

[02:47:13] Speaker 10: do it. You would commit 

[02:47:14] Eldar: the time to do it. 

[02:47:15] Speaker 10: Uh, I'd really go page, yeah. I wanna see what's going on in the Z Yeah.

[02:47:18] Tommy: Okay. 

[02:47:19] Eldar: So do I Yeah. In, in my own head. Pause. Anything else before we wrap this up and give our final thoughts? No, I'm just

[02:47:35] Speaker 7: like, my final thoughts gonna be like, um,

[02:47:42] Speaker 7: do you all agree what is success? And if Yes, I want one answer for all of you if you agree. Okay.

[02:47:59] Eldar: You wanna go around the room 

[02:48:01] Tolis: Yeah. 

[02:48:01] Eldar: To see whether or not we 

[02:48:02] Tolis: agree? No, I'm just saying like, you, you guys all agree. What's success? Well, you have one. Like, uh, success is different. Okay. Look at this. Right? 

[02:48:09] Eldar: I think, uh, there's one thing that, uh, I think that we can all say that we agree with is that 

[02:48:17] Tolis: you speak for everybody.

[02:48:18] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna speak for everybody. 

[02:48:20] Tolis: Okay. They, nobody has a choice. 

[02:48:22] Eldar: They have no choice with this right now. Well, 

[02:48:23] Tolis: no, they have agree, agree has to say 

[02:48:25] Toliy: first. 

[02:48:25] Eldar: No, no, no, no. This, he, he's gonna it. No, I, 

[02:48:27] Tolis: I want you to agree because maybe he has like different 

[02:48:31] Toliy: Well, yeah, but that, but yeah, but then he has to say it and then everybody, 

[02:48:34] Eldar: it's, I'm not gonna say anything that he can't say.

[02:48:36] Eldar: I'm gonna say gravity things. It's a walk, the prophet walk out moment. Okay. 

[02:48:40] Tolis: No gravity. Please. Should I walk out? I can't 

[02:48:42] Eldar: because it's, I think everyone, anything that I can say right now is objective. It touches everyone. 

[02:48:50] Toliy: Let the prophet speak and not in that way, Harris. That's what the fuck, man. You're, that's, man, fuck you 

[02:48:56] Harris: man.

[02:48:56] Harris: That's disgusting, man. Fuck, fuck, fuck you man. Fuck you man. Fuck you. You are the let the prophet speak man. Stop asking so many questions, yo. Yes. Yes. 

[02:49:05] Eldar: What the fuck is wrong with you, man? Don't fucking interrupt. The prophet. 

[02:49:10] Speaker 10: Gonna, elder bitch. Welcome. Welcome to Hell

[02:49:18] Eldar: Looking Drink. You gotta drink. I'm gonna say one thing. Okay. And I'm gonna piggyback off of what Tolli said. Do you know what piggyback means? Oh, no. Okay. Uh oh. This when you carry 

[02:49:27] Tommy: on 

[02:49:28] Eldar: somebody in your 

[02:49:28] Tommy: back. 

[02:49:29] Eldar: Yeah, but no. Alright, so I'm gonna rephrase it then I'm gonna say, I'm gonna add to what Tolli said earlier, right?

[02:49:39] Eldar: In life, when you have the ability to choose what you actually want to do, and you're not forced to do anything right, because of circumstances, environments, responsibilities, right? Um, then I think that you are hitting the success part, okay? One of those things that we do, right? Voluntarily, and that's the key word here, voluntarily.

[02:50:11] Eldar: If you don't know what that is, Tommy will explain. What that means is that we get together and we try to think, okay, we have time to think. A lot of people don't have this privilege. We found a way to make time to think. And when we think, if you go around the room, you ask 

[02:50:35] Speaker 7: everyone when they think they feel good.

[02:50:40] Speaker 7: That's it. What successful you? 

[02:50:44] Harris: He just answered. I'm sorry, I we're not, yeah, yeah. We're not. You just, you didn't understand. Okay. 

[02:50:50] Tolis: Say the same thing. 

[02:50:51] Harris: Lets, he's the prophet man. 

[02:50:52] Speaker 13: Fuck you. Fuck this shit. Jesus Christ. Oh 

[02:50:59] Speaker 14: boy. 

[02:50:59] Harris: He's the prophet. You 

[02:51:01] Speaker 14: don't object to the prophet. What? Fuck you guys this fucking, he's the prophet.

[02:51:05] Speaker 13: Everything's Nate This, Nate that. Nate that if Nate's listening to this, fuck you. Fuck you. 

[02:51:11] Harris: He's the prophet. Okay? You didn't understand what he said before this happened? He speaks for the group. You understand? 

[02:51:19] Tolis: Okay. 

[02:51:20] Harris: Aism, 

[02:51:21] Eldar: so you all agree? Go, go. No. Any, any protests? No. Uh, any objections? No. As they say in the wedding, right?

[02:51:30] Eldar: What the Yes, mama. Oh, shit. 

[02:51:33] Tommy: Wow. Her first words. Your first words 

[02:51:37] Eldar: like, yeah, Mike. Yeah. Harris gave it to him. So what do you think? 

[02:51:45] Mike: Um, I'm gonna have to disagree with der 

[02:51:50] Speaker 5: Yes.

[02:51:54] Mike: On absolutely nothing. Just to make us happy. Um, uh, yeah. There's no such thing, uh, real besides objectivity, like, uh, all the subjective stuff, it's all opinion. Objective stuff is real. Just like gravity, your favorite thing, those things. Doing those things and living that way is true. Happiness is true success.

[02:52:22] Mike: So I basically said the same thing. I just said, just different words, guys. So you say free will is success. 

[02:52:28] Harris: You have to be willing, right? That's 

[02:52:30] Tolis: what you say. 

[02:52:31] Harris: Is there free will? 

[02:52:32] Tolis: What is the free will? Yeah. You said like the option to choose 

[02:52:37] Eldar: one, one thing, right? If you have the choice in your life and you actually know that you have the choice, especially if you have the ability to then think, right?

[02:52:48] Eldar: Because thinking allows for improvement, allows for solving problems, right? Then you are successful, then you feel good, you feel better. You improve your life If you go around this room, right? And if you ask the people that are sitting in this room when you thought actually, it took the time to think how did you change your life for the better or for the worse?

[02:53:16] Eldar: It is impossible for them to say it was for the worst try. 

[02:53:20] Tolis: Hmm. Yeah. But you don't answer me like you, you answer me like a philosopher. You don't answer like to normal people. You give the, you don't give the answer to normal people, to stupid people. Okay. You are giving like, more like, 

[02:53:38] Eldar: okay. All right. Try again.

[02:53:40] Eldar: I'll try it again a little bit better. Go, I'll, I'll close my eyes this time. What is success? 

[02:53:46] Tolis: Is it free? Will, I'm, I'm stupid. I don't understand philosophy and, mm-hmm. Okay. And all this stuff. I can't, what the hell just happened? He just got robbed by 

[02:54:02] Tommy: then.

[02:54:06] Eldar: I can't answer without asking you. What the fuck do you mean by saying the word? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? What, I don't understand what you're saying by the, when you are using the word success. I don't understand what you mean. I don't think he understands it. Like, why are you using this word in the first place?

[02:54:32] Eldar: What are you trying to describe and why?

[02:54:38] Eldar: Because, 

[02:54:39] Mike: do you think is a, is a term, do you think that success is the same thing as happiness or is success gonna make you happy? 

[02:54:47] Tolis: Like, no, I think you, your definition about success, like being happy, doing what you love and having like good people around you, that's success for you. Mm-hmm. That's part of it.

[02:55:02] Tolis: That's part of it. Yeah. 

[02:55:03] Eldar: Yeah. Part of it. This is not the, the, I think the totality of it has a lot more right. Actual success. A lot of stuff, but that's part of it. Yeah. 

[02:55:15] Tolis: This is like simple examples, like Yeah, I understand. Yeah. What I said right now. 

[02:55:20] Speaker 6: Yeah. 

[02:55:20] Tolis: The, the other stuff that you're telling me I don't 

[02:55:22] Eldar: understand.

[02:55:23] Eldar: Okay. Are you having a good time in this company? When you think, and you sit down and you talk about this stuff? Yes. Okay. This success for you? Yeah. 100%. Okay. Why? Because you feel good. I feel good. Yes. Yeah. So whatever it is that we're doing, whatever is leading to this moment defines for me as success.

[02:55:44] Tolis: Okay. The other stuff 

[02:55:46] Speaker 7: that you told? Yeah, I don't understand. This is what I talk on about what are you doing right now? Thinking. Yeah, but I didn't choose. What do you mean you didn't choose what? Thinking 

[02:56:02] Eldar: you didn't come here by what? I forced you to come here to be part of this. I was doing this without you.

[02:56:08] Eldar: Oh, damn. You think I set up this podcast for you? 

[02:56:14] Tolis: No, I don't say that. You were a willing participant 

[02:56:18] Harris: to come to America to seek out, man. Yeah, because the only person in your words, the only person that can help you. My, I chose to come to 

[02:56:26] Tolis: America. Yeah. Okay. But I, I didn't choose what I'm gonna do. 

[02:56:32] Eldar: Yeah. You just kinda went, you're part of our system now.

[02:56:36] Eldar: You know, you're sitting here thinking, having the time to think, to talk actual, real stuff, and it's making you feel better. This is what I'm saying. Success is the people that have this ability or have this luxury, if you want to call it the time to be able to do this, they can transform their lives for the better.

[02:56:59] Eldar: They can improve. What, 

[02:57:01] Mike: what did, um, maybe last week, what did you tell me in the car? I. 

[02:57:06] Tolis: I'm telling you so many things in my, you don't say nothing. One 

[02:57:09] Mike: thing you said, you said to me something about, about Fridays. 

[02:57:14] Tolis: Oh, 

[02:57:16] Mike: I remember as well. 

[02:57:17] Tolis: Yeah. I told everybody, you know? Yeah. Well, I didn't know you 

[02:57:21] Mike: told everybody.

[02:57:22] Mike: I thought he didn't tell me. You, man. That's fucked up, man. No, I didn't 

[02:57:25] Eldar: get it. 

[02:57:26] Mike: I didn't hear it. Tommy didn't hear it. I don't think Harris heard it either. 

[02:57:29] Speaker 7: I'm 

[02:57:29] Tommy: curious 

[02:57:29] Speaker 7: to 

[02:57:29] Tommy: hear it though. 

[02:57:30] Speaker 6: Yeah. Oh, 

[02:57:31] Speaker 7: oh, 

[02:57:32] Speaker 6: go ahead. Because say it. What'd 

[02:57:34] Eldar: you say to Mike? 

[02:57:36] Tolis: Tell him. Yeah. No, tell Forgot. No, no. I didn't forget. I, I, I said like, like the, the first days, the first Fridays.

[02:57:47] Tolis: Okay. I didn't want to be like, uh, even part of it. Part of it. Mm-hmm. Podcast. Yeah. But, uh, as the time passed, I can't wait every Friday for the podcast to listen to you maybe join. That's what I said, right? Mm-hmm. Is that 

[02:58:05] Mike: success? You can't wait to do something. 

[02:58:09] Speaker 7: Yeah. 

[02:58:10] Mike: It's not success. 

[02:58:12] Speaker 7: To think why, 

[02:58:14] Eldar: why I can't wait either.

[02:58:17] Eldar: I have the same feeling. I love the podcast. I love talking to my friends, sharing ideas, learning from them, fighting with them, arguing sometimes, and getting to the truth. I don't think anybody would be here if they didn't sometimes making fun of Harris. But Harris also gets something from it, right? He's like, he's like, Hey, this is a therapy.

[02:58:36] Harris: Be 

[02:58:36] Eldar: here. If I didn't, 

[02:58:37] Toliy: that's disgusting, man. 

[02:58:38] Eldar: That 

[02:58:39] Harris: disgusting. What is wrong with you? Are you gay? Take my, this is why you in the closet, bro. 

[02:58:45] Toliy: That's, your 

[02:58:46] Harris: mind is always there, bro. It's 

[02:58:47] Toliy: like getting something 

[02:58:49] Mike: from okay. Yeah. You know, you know. So what is that? What do you think about that? Your words? 'cause not mine.

[02:58:57] Mike: I didn't force you. I didn't ask you, you said it to me because that, that sounds like just genuine. You know why? Why you felt that way? Why? Because it's gravity. 'cause Yeah. 

[02:59:13] Eldar: He's right, because everybody, she has a hard time sometimes explaining it, but it's gravity. Everybody. 

[02:59:18] Mike: Everybody who's human, they like the same thing.

[02:59:21] Mike: Yeah. Once you remove all the fake stuff. Yes. Everybody wants to love. Yes. And to be loved. That's 

[02:59:26] Eldar: it. This here for you is love. Yeah. They want to be heard. They want to be understood. Understood. They wanna understand. Yes. And back and forth. Yes. And when we learn, we make our lives better. We see a different way.

[02:59:40] Eldar: You know? And if we influence you in such a way where you can see life in a different way than you did before, like that's success for me. You know what I'm saying? I hope it's success for everyone else. I can't speak for them, but if I did survey them and asked them, Harris already said his piece. He said, Hey, I hope you tune in.

[03:00:04] Eldar: I hope you participate in the chat. Like, he already feels that, you know what I mean? He, he loves you though. He loves, 

[03:00:10] Toliy: I think like what, what he's asking like success. Like, it, it like, it, it, it's difficult to talk about in the sense of like, um, I think there's mo like there's undeniable moments that we all have where like you can call that success and we all agree in like a line.

[03:00:27] Toliy: Yeah. I think maybe he's asking like, um, what do you view overall as success? Like if you were to describe like, Hey, this person is successful. Yeah. But what does that, what, what does that mean? 

[03:00:39] Eldar: Okay. Like a person that does the shit that he wants to do and has fun with it, like enjoys himself thoroughly all the time.

[03:00:48] Eldar: Like, that's a simple way. But that's hard. It's not gonna sit well. Like, have fun. 

[03:00:54] Tolis: Yeah. It's more easier to understand though. 

[03:00:57] Eldar: Yeah. 

[03:00:58] Tolis: Yeah. 

[03:00:58] Eldar: Really? 

[03:00:59] Tolis: Yeah. 

[03:00:59] Eldar: But because you see it in me. You see day-to-day life. You see how I feel? Yeah. Maybe. Okay. Yeah. But 

[03:01:05] Tolis: it's easier in my ears right now. Okay, fine. 

[03:01:08] Eldar: All right. If you just say that, I'll be, I'm having fun because I'm trying to have fun as much as possible.

[03:01:13] Eldar: Sure. And works. Sometimes it's not fun because I have to solve problems, and sometimes my mind is not good. My body's not good to solve problems. Solving 

[03:01:20] Tolis: problems solves fun sometimes. 

[03:01:21] Eldar: Okay, fine for you. Maybe. But sometimes for me, it's hard. You know what I mean? So it's not always having fun, you know, sometimes I need to think a little bit harder, you know, it hurts a little bit, whatever.

[03:01:31] Eldar: But overall, if I find a way to have fun and still solve problems, that's gold for me. Gold. And if I can do that as much as possible, that's to me, a success I did. Right? I don't come out out of this when Saturday, Sunday hits. If I'm not doing something fun and, and, and exciting like this, I'm looking forward to Monday because I want to see the guys.

[03:01:54] Eldar: I want to solve problems. I want to hear people's takes. I want to hear people's experiences. Mike has stuff, totally has stuff. Harris has stuff. It's exciting to me. I want to hear it and participate in that. 

[03:02:06] Toliy: Yeah. You know, I, I, I also think that like, um, a, a difficult success to, to explain probably the, like the hardest one explain is, um, the way that you can impact others.

[03:02:19] Toliy: Yeah. And like, it's very difficult to explain like that kind of success, right? That like, um, like you can do particular things that impact others that change their life in particular ways, like over time. And like seeing those, seeing those things like, um, like pan out and actually happen. Like that's like a next level success that's like difficult to de describe until you get those kinds of like, uh, feelings.

[03:02:48] Eldar: I'm gonna give you an example with Harris's thing. Okay? Okay. 

[03:02:53] Speaker 6: Oh, 

[03:02:54] Eldar: hottest.

[03:02:58] Eldar: Um. To wrong. Okay. Toley felt like he failed a little bit with Harris. Okay. I told him that he didn't fail. We just applied the wrong application or education to Harris at the time for sales. Okay. You listening? Yes. Okay. Some things that Harris says sometimes during sales calls actually comes from Toley Toll's education.

[03:03:28] Eldar: And he surprises me that he has that ability that it's working, it's in, it's in toll's way, it's working. Right. Toley doesn't see this right now, but I see it and I feel it that he did learn some stuff from, uh, from Tolli and he's applying that stuff. 'cause I'm teaching a very different thing than what Tolli was teaching.

[03:03:48] Eldar: Harris wasn't ready to learn what Tolli was teaching him at the time. You know what I'm saying? 

[03:03:54] Tolis: Yeah. He didn't, yeah. He didn't know how to reach the entry level. He went 

[03:04:00] Eldar: Correct. He went into the more deeper level 

[03:04:02] Tolis: Yeah. 

[03:04:03] Eldar: Of stuff. Now, if he gets the entry level right from me and marries totally stuff, he can be very dangerous.

[03:04:12] Eldar: Time will tell if this will happen, but certain things that I see and I hear it's already happening right now, he's just a bad guy. You know what I mean? I'm trying to make sure that the bad guy doesn't come out so 

[03:04:24] Tolis: bad 

[03:04:25] Eldar: Teacher. 

[03:04:25] Tolis: Not bad 

[03:04:25] Eldar: student. Wrong timing.

[03:04:31] Eldar: You understand? Not a bad teacher. I love his 

[03:04:33] Tommy: effort. Dude. I love Thomas's effort. 

[03:04:35] Eldar: Oh, he has to fight. I told him fight fucking show me some character. He hasn't fought in a while. You know, I want to get into arguments, you know? 

[03:04:42] Tolis: He didn't know how to get to the entry level. So he started from 

[03:04:46] Eldar: Yes, because he, he, so he wasn't his fault.

[03:04:48] Eldar: He thought that that was more important because he gave him the benefit of the doubt that he thought he was smarter. I said that he's dumb. Thank you. You're welcome. You understand now we teaching customer service and being nice, which is the right, the right application. Okay. Oh yeah. Final thoughts on success?

[03:05:12] Eldar: Anyone? We'll start with Harris. What? Well, hey, that's Tom. No, I said Harris. 

[03:05:20] Toliy: Go ahead Harris. 

[03:05:20] Harris: Yeah, if you speak after that, I'm must love it. 

[03:05:26] Tommy: Mm-hmm. Just man, I dunno, man. Yeah. Fuck 

[03:05:30] Harris: you man. Yeah. Alright. Tom Harris, success takes time. Success. You cannot put a time limit on it, and you cannot worry about what other people think of your success.

[03:05:45] Harris: Thank you. 

[03:05:46] Eldar: My final thoughts are is that, um, what you think success is when you achieve success? Success actually is completely different from what you actually thought success was. And that's an illusion, like a mirage that you see when you walk in the desert. Desert. Thank you, Tom. Okay. You understand what I said?

[03:06:05] Eldar: Yeah. Good. Mike? Success. Final thoughts? 

[03:06:10] Mike: Yeah. It's, uh, this, it's tough. It's tough to, to like, uh, to really explain it. I don't know. Yeah. It's, uh, anything that we say or we try to define it, I always like, says every time is if you don't come back to like, uh, living a virtuous life or Yeah. Living in accordance with the truth or believing in gravity.

[03:06:33] Speaker 6: Yeah. 

[03:06:33] Mike: And respecting gravity and living with gravity. You're not gonna be successful. You're not gonna be happy, you're not gonna be anything. 

[03:06:40] Speaker 6: Yeah. 

[03:06:40] Mike: So what does that mean? It is just a big bunch of big words like morals, ethics, values, but it doesn't mean anything. But it means so much, you know? So yeah. If I, we could spend the next two weeks talking about it nonstop and, you know.

[03:06:54] Mike: Um, but to total us in simple terms. Excuse me. Oh, forgive me. Forgive me, Michael. 

[03:07:01] Eldar: Tom's success is clearly to stop interrupting. Yeah. That's his success story. Yeah. 

[03:07:05] Tommy: Yeah. Listen, listen. More, talk less. Yeah. Yeah. Success. There, there. That's my final thought. Success. Probably 

[03:07:12] Mike: a good place to start is, is getting to know yourself, you know?

[03:07:17] Mike: Yeah. Really like, uh, yeah. Looking at yourself in the mirror and saying, this is who I am, this is what I'm about, and this is the reality of who I am. Seeing, seeing reality. And then maybe you can work towards actual, like, uh, next steps of success. Yeah. 

[03:07:32] Eldar: 100%. That's definitely part of it. Tom, I'd love to give you the word, so I will.

[03:07:39] Tommy: Mm-hmm. Uh, 

[03:07:42] Mike: uh, I don't know. I lost my thought. Thank you. Running and writing, Tom. You're welcome. Yeah, totally. Yeah. I feel like, 

[03:07:52] Toliy: like I agree with the things we're saying about success, but like, like, um, to me, like I actually do have like a, like, I, like, I probably don't have everything ironed out, but I, but I do like, feel like I have a, um, like an idea as to, um, what success looks like, you know?

[03:08:15] Speaker 6: Okay. 

[03:08:16] Toliy: And to, to, to me it's not like there's, there's no like one, like you could probably narrow it down to one thing, right? Like, like may maybe like, you could just narrow it down to success is like the, like, like, like if you wanna say just the, uh, 

[03:08:33] Eldar: down, uh, to zoom in. Huh? Make it small. 

[03:08:37] Toliy: O open the scope.

[03:08:38] Toliy: Okay. Scope, yes. Right. Zero in zoom 

[03:08:41] Eldar: in, 

[03:08:42] Toliy: uh, to, to just say that like, if you have, like, if you have a conscious desire to, to, to, to just find some, find out. And you actually like, understand that you have this ability, like that could just be like, like success for example, right? 

[03:08:59] Eldar: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's a very big point that he just said.

[03:09:02] Eldar: If you, uh, I don't know, conquer, but, uh, achieve this, what he's saying could be the success because it opens all other doors. 

[03:09:15] Toliy: Yeah. Like, that's huge. That's like the, like overall for everything. Do you understand what he said? Hmm. Say it again. Like, if you um, if you have a conscious, conscious, is that like Yeah.

[03:09:28] Toliy: You know what that means? Conscious desire to find out. To find out, to find out. That's it. Right? If you unconscious, what the, what the fuck is going 

[03:09:37] Eldar: on? Yeah. Who the fuck am I, what the fuck is here? What is reality? What the fuck is God? What is our purpose? If you have an actual desire to find out what is happening with me?

[03:09:52] Eldar: What is happening here? You already successful. 

[03:09:56] Toliy: Yeah. Like that, that could be like the old, like, like the big thing about success, but like, I do have in my idea as to like, what is a successful person to me? Like a successful person is like, like, um, like humble. Yeah. Like a person who's humble, right? A person who has character, a person who like stands up for what's Right.

[03:10:16] Toliy: Right. Like a person, like who, who does the right things, right? Like, it, like it's gonna be all of those character. Like you can't name me a scenario of like, okay, like, um, like someone that has this, but then not this, then that to me is not success. Right? So it's like, like if you could have everything right, then it's like, good.

[03:10:39] Toliy: Okay. But if you're gonna tell me, okay, they have this, but you know, they're not compassionate, then I can't call them successful, for example, right? If they're gonna have money, but they're not respectful. They're not successful. Mm-hmm. Right. So like, they have to have, to me, like all the characteristics that like, like, um, I, I find valuable for me to find them to be like a, like a successful, and if they have, um, like glaring holes in any of those things, then they're not successful.

[03:11:12] Toliy: Um, but we, we can definitely make a list as, as to like what this type of person would look like. And I feel like, um, oftentimes what people view as successful is that they, either one, like don't think about all of those different things, right? Or two, they assume particular things, right? So like, they may see somebody that again, is like, looks happy or maybe like, is smiling, right?

[03:11:42] Toliy: And they might assume that they are respectful, for example, to the people around them. Or they might assume that they have good character, right? Or they do the right thing, but they don't actually know, 

[03:11:51] Eldar: Hey, stop fucking banging your knee against that fucking table. Move to the left a little bit. Oh 

[03:11:57] Toliy: yeah.

[03:11:57] Toliy: Fuck. So rocket. They distracted. They, they, they'll like assume those things, right? Um mm-hmm. So they'll have the wrong 

[03:12:06] Eldar: perception as to what success looks like. But you'll have to also give a disclaimer, the fact that your fucking bar for success is a little bit higher than the fucking majority of the world.

[03:12:14] Eldar: Yeah. 

[03:12:15] Toliy: Yeah. But like, 

[03:12:16] Eldar: to 

[03:12:16] Toliy: me, like, you understand No, that's what, 

[03:12:17] Eldar: that his bar for 

[03:12:18] Speaker 7: success is a lot higher than yours. Okay. 

[03:12:27] Toliy: So yeah. Like, like that. And I, I like, I definitely find all those things to be valuable and very important. Yeah. Wi, wi which is why like I'm trying to learn about those things and trying to figure out, um, like yeah, more information about them and how to like apply that to your own.

[03:12:46] Eldar: Life. Oh, okay. I like it. That was good. You did the Archie yawn. The frustration. Yeah. Alright. Cause leave us with the 

[03:12:54] Speaker 7: final thoughts. 

[03:12:56] Toliy: Get rich or die trying. 

[03:12:58] Speaker 7: Oh 

[03:12:58] Tolis: my 

[03:12:58] Speaker 7: God. 

[03:13:00] Tolis: 50 cent. I don't know if, if I got everything right, but what I got was like, if you have, like, I'll give you an example, a job and the family mm-hmm.

[03:13:12] Tolis: It's not like necessary success, but if you have a happy job, good environment, a real one. Mm-hmm. And the real happy family and everything. Yeah. That's success. 

[03:13:24] Eldar: Yeah. That's, yeah. That's a good, that's a good distinction. May related. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. No, it is, it is a good distinction between the two. Yeah. 

[03:13:30] Toliy: Yeah.

[03:13:31] Toliy: Because for what you just said, all the things that I'm saying are requirements. 

[03:13:37] Tolis: Yeah. You 

[03:13:37] Toliy: can't have a happy family without respect. You can't have a happy family without compassion. 

[03:13:42] Tolis: Yeah. That's what I'm saying. 

[03:13:43] Toliy: Yeah. Right. You can't have a happy family without doing the right thing. 

[03:13:47] Tolis: Right. If you, yeah. 

[03:13:48] Toliy: So like that, that is correct.

[03:13:49] Toliy: But I think the important part is to focus on like all those things, all the details around it that lead to the, to, to the big picture, right? Like the big picture is yes, happiness. Right. But what does that mean? Like what, what, what does it actually mean look like? Yeah. And I feel Yeah. Look like, and I feel like that that's what success is, is like true happiness.

[03:14:10] Toliy: And true happiness is guaranteed without any question. If you have those things, it's guaranteed. 

[03:14:20] Eldar: It's not a debate. 

[03:14:21] Speaker 7: Yeah. 

[03:14:22] Eldar: All right guys. Thank you so much. This was great as always. I hope we tackle this. Important topic of success and, uh, a lot of people's misunderstanding of what it actually is. Hopefully we sh we were able to shine some light for cousin and for the world.

[03:14:38] Harris: I just wanna say, cousin, feel free to call in and join on the podcast virtually 

[03:14:43] Speaker 14: Jesus Christ, on our motorbike. 

[03:14:46] Speaker 6: Thank you guys.