168. The Unhackable Truth

Are you stuck chasing distractions while ignoring your core truths? 

In this raw episode, Toliy and Eldar tackle the human struggle to align perceptions with reality. From Toliy’s vision of mentoring sales teams to Eldar’s push for shedding unreal baggage, they explore how attachments—whether to money, status, or comfort—block self-actualization. Using metaphors like a hamster wheel and an “unhackable program,” they unpack why pain, reflection, and humility are key to breaking free. Expect unfiltered insights, sports analogies, and a stark warning: you can’t outrun your soul.

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• 0:00 Introduction: Aligning Perception with Reality

Transcript

[00:00:00] Dennis: On this week's episode,

[00:00:02] Toliy:  there's particular things at the core of all of us that is not yet aligned with like the truth and how we act and how we think and we, how we conduct ourselves. We put that in the back burner. What are we talking about? Are we talking about just changing your personality? It's a conversion of perception to reality to align your perceptions with actual reality.

[00:00:21] Toliy: Reality. To me, life starts when that actually happens. Pursuit of your attachments is your attempt at trying to hack things? Correct. You're dealing with an unhackable program. 

[00:00:31] Eldar: That's right. That's a good thing. 

[00:00:34] Toliy: Yeah.

[00:00:43] Eldar: Alright. I'm gonna try to take a stab at this topic based on everything that I just heard in private. And if you are a Patreon subscriber, which we don't have, that's not gonna help you. Um, I'm gonna try to muster up a question like this. Um, still your arguing for that. There are some important things in our life that are subjectively important enough to halt and put a stop to our self-actualization.

[00:01:15] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:01:16] Eldar: Why? 

[00:01:19] Toliy: Because like your everyday life routine. Like your career, like, right, like your way of earning, like a living, like, um, the different things that you enjoy. I don't know, like whether it's like, um, computer things or like house tinkering things, construction things. Right. Um, um, like watching shows sports, right?

[00:01:50] Toliy: Like video games, hang, hanging out with friends, like whatever you like to, uh, do you most likely having like a desire or like attachment to, to do that? 

[00:02:03] Eldar: No, I actually don't think tho those things that you just actually mentioned hold you away from those things at all. I actually think that the things that you actually like, like computer games or, uh, sports and other things are actually just band-aids, right?

[00:02:18] Eldar: Or a small level of relief in order to get you through the day. Okay. And the reason why you have them in the first place, right? Is because, uh, generally speaking, we are in certain amount of level of pain throughout the day, right? Because we engage in things that we don't really want to do. And the reason why we don't really want to do them is because, uh, they're, they almost are, um, obligations or responsibilities, like you said, we have the bills to pay and stuff like that, right?

[00:02:48] Eldar: Yeah. So, obviously, you know, you can't just sit here, do philosophy and, and people just, um, for example, right now sending you money, right? Mm-hmm. Into your pocket. Like, uh, totally sit here and just keep giving us philosophy. Not yet, not yet. Correct. Correct. I agree with you. Um, but because you can't do that, right?

[00:03:05] Eldar: You have to do things that you might necess not necessarily love, quote unquote, however. 

[00:03:11] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:03:12] Eldar: The pain that you endure or acquire or deal with by doing the things that you don't like, get mitigated by the things that you do like. Like ufc. Mm-hmm. Like video games counterstrike me and you like playing counterstrike, right?

[00:03:27] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:03:28] Eldar: Uh, some people like to go out drinking, hanging out clubs or whatever it is. Right. And all the other wardly things that relieve some of that pain. 

[00:03:35] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:03:35] Eldar: Those are completely normal phenomenon things that relieve some of our pain. 

[00:03:40] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:03:41] Eldar: I think what we need to talk about is that aside from those things, after you finally relieved the pain that you did, right.

[00:03:49] Eldar: Um, and you're sitting still and you're like, okay, cool. Like I watched enough Netflix, I played enough video games, now I'm kind of bored. What should I do? Right. And there's always that lingering thing that like you wanted it to do. You want to actualize yourself in a specific thing. 

[00:04:06] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:04:06] Eldar: This is what we're talking about, that little moment where you finally get like, okay, what should I be doing now?

[00:04:13] Eldar: Right. Because you're bored and in your case you want to, you. Learn more about sales or learn more about how to actualize yourself to the point where you can grow the team, grow others, and make it bigger in a sales direction. Right. Um, I actually am gonna argue that there's nothing holding you from actually doing that.

[00:04:34] Eldar: That pure moment or that Yeah. Pocket of freedom actually gives you enough time to be curious. And if you're curious enough that prolonged this can happen, you can prolong that curiosity a little bit more, a little bit more, a little bit more. And the more you do it, I think you can then reach a state of flow or the state of focus that actually, uh, then you create something, you actualize something.

[00:05:01] Eldar: Mm-hmm. And in return you actualize your character because Right. Uh, let's just make an example that you want to be a sales leader with a team of sales individuals that are performing the, the way you want them to perform, um, doing exactly what you tell them and stuff like that. If you have that vision and you put enough time into it and put enough practice, and if they actualize, that's your actualization of that thing.

[00:05:29] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:05:29] Eldar: And if you become that, that's when you actually, like, you've reduced the noise and you're following that which you should be following. And that thing that you are following is serving you for prolonged period of time. 

[00:05:43] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:05:44] Eldar: And you finally like, okay, cool. This is what I wanted. And then you thrive.

[00:05:50] Toliy: Well, yeah. Yeah. No, I, I'm, my, my, like, the point that I'm trying to drive is that, 

[00:05:56] Toliy: um,

[00:06:03] Toliy: I feel like, um, I.

[00:06:08] Toliy: When, when building something, right? It like, especially like, like if we're talking about like, like a blanket thing, like for example, like sales or like some, some something, right? There's gonna be parts of it that like, are like, I dunno, maybe naturally more fun or naturally like you, like more, for example.

[00:06:26] Toliy: Or like, uh, that are, and then there's gonna be stuff that like, you know, maybe some creating of some systems or like mm-hmm. Making sure some fucking zaps are connected, right. Or some, yeah. Yeah. Tools are connected properly. That Correct. That are annoying. There's proper fields for things, right? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:06:39] Toliy: Like there is certain things that are like on the more like, not fun or like annoying and, but there's still a necessary part of like the process for, for the engine to like, to, to work properly. The system, the, the, the, yeah. The system has to be flowing. Things have to be connected, things have to be right.

[00:06:53] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Things need to be like working Correct. You know? Um, like all, all, all, 

[00:07:01] Toliy: all of that needs to happen, you know? Yeah. Um,

[00:07:11] Toliy: and I just feel that like throughout the whole process of building all that and learning all that and seeing where your ignorant, like your, your, your ignorance is in it and what, like, you don't understand or maybe what you're not seeing or what, what you, what you don't know, like, um, like the ex the existential part of you of like who you are, what's important for you, what you're about, like what are you here for?

[00:07:37] Toliy: All these different like things. I feel like, um, I feel like many people put like the core center of what's important to you on the back burner and they focus on like their desires, but 

[00:07:52] Eldar: Sure. But is that the case for you 

[00:07:55] Toliy: at times? Yeah. 

[00:07:56] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:07:56] Toliy: It's, well what 

[00:07:57] Eldar: are those? Because I'm not sure of them. Well, no, no.

[00:07:59] Eldar: I'm saying I could tell you what I think about what the image that you've portrayed to me throughout all these years. I.

[00:08:06] Toliy: You know, if that helps you, you know? Mm-hmm. Would it help? Mm sure. Okay. 

[00:08:15] Eldar: The image that you portrayed is like, look, I know some stuff, right. I'm good at some stuff. I'd like to pass on this stuff. Yeah. Right. And I'd like to pass on to the individuals that are, let's just say, um, for the lack of better word, less privileged, uneducated.

[00:08:32] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Vulnerable. An example is Harris. 

[00:08:36] Eldar: Yeah. Right. 

[00:08:37] Eldar: But I think that Harris is, I'm not sure if he's gonna be able to take on that knowledge Yeah. At this point. Um, but nonetheless, you want to be able to give back the stuff that you've learned and empower people. Right. Yeah. That's how I'm understanding it.

[00:08:53] Eldar: What you've told me a while ago and I remember, is that you want to, um, do philanthropy. 

[00:09:00] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:09:01] Eldar: You know what I mean? So what is it that part of what you're saying is that, uh, holding you back from actually actualizing that that thing 

[00:09:10] Toliy: personal things?

[00:09:20] Toliy: I'm listening. Yeah. I mean, I feel like, 

[00:09:22] Toliy: um, yeah, prob, prob probably, probably to like put that, put, put yourself in that kind of position to like be more free flowing about doing that kind of stuff to a certain extent. Probably requires some more like revenue and growth 

[00:09:41] Toliy: to ha to have those kinds of like, uh, like, like, you know, for like, like to have those kinds of, uh, freedoms.

[00:09:55] Toliy: How. Like, I don't 

[00:09:57] Eldar: understand how, like that what you said, right? Like what stops you from getting, uh, interns from college or one who wanna, you know, learn about sales or marketing or whatever it is, and, uh, lining them up and teaching them 

[00:10:11] Toliy: Well, no, like, like nothing. But you need like a, um, like the company needs to be like, set up where your time cannot, like, is not, uh, like, like yeah.

[00:10:25] Toliy: Where like you have more time to dedicate towards doing that. Um, where you could be like attentive to everything where, 

[00:10:34] Eldar: okay. But are you time cons, you have so much time constraint right now on your daily day-to-day basis that you can like, squeeze in things that you actually want to do? 

[00:10:47] Toliy: Well, no. I mean, like, I, I am, I'm still doing things that I want to do now.

[00:10:52] Toliy: Yeah. You know, but, um. Yeah. I mean, if, if you're talking about bringing in like, I don't know, three to five people No, 

[00:11:00] Eldar: no. I'm only talking about things Yeah. That you would actually want to do. Yeah. I just painted a picture that because based on a dream Yeah. Quote unquote that you have. 

[00:11:09] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:11:10] Eldar: Right. So I'm not painting something that's out of the ordinary where it's like, oh shit.

[00:11:13] Eldar: Like it's not within reach yet. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. I would paint only the things that can be acquired now if you wanted to. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Um, with the resources that, that we do have, I don't see how that's not reachable. If you actually wanted to move certain things around. 

[00:11:31] Toliy: Well, no, it's reach especially 

[00:11:32] Eldar: when, when it, especially when it comes to like time, for example.

[00:11:35] Toliy: Well, no, it's 'cause I, 

[00:11:36] Eldar: I don't think that you are like capped out to the point where it's like, yo, I'm hustling and bustling to make sure that company stays afloat. You know? And like we pay the bills and shit like that, you know? 

[00:11:47] Toliy: Yeah. But I'm hustling and bustling mentally to try to figure out how to do like.

[00:11:52] Toliy: Like how to get to my, like how to get myself to a place where I can figure some something out, apply it, and then it like leads to rapid growth. Like that rapid growth. Well, no, not, no rap. Rapid growth is the, is the wrong word too. Like, um, a good amount I guess, of growth. I dunno what the timeline of like, speed is for it, but like, um, 

[00:12:20] Eldar: yeah.

[00:12:20] Eldar: See that's interesting because now that you're like saying it the way you're saying it or, or whatever other the words that you choose to say it with, um, paints a different picture in my head. 

[00:12:30] Toliy: Like, um, like I, I, I know that like, um, like, like it started from like trying to figure out how to get like, for example, like better leads, right?

[00:12:41] Toliy: To have better conversations because I know that I'm capable of having much better conversations with like. Larger value, like larger value, um, like, um mm-hmm. Like, um, clients, for example. Yeah. And like those conversations, to me, it's like a win-win because like they're, um, financially better for the company, not, not only in like their like deal value potentially.

[00:13:07] Toliy: Right. But like, they may not be as like much of a like, like, um, like, you know, like the worry of them not being able to pay or like, you know, pay on time or like have an issue with price, for example, or like Yeah. Those kinds of things. So like, and, and then the conversations are more fun to me because then like I can like talk shop with someone else who also understands like mm-hmm.

[00:13:30] Toliy: The language I'm speaking. Um, right. Um, so, so it, so it's like it's more fun. The deals are bigger, the time commitment is almost like the same because like, you could be talking to like, to somebody for 40 minutes that is like, uh, like. A super small like opportunity or deal, for example. Mm-hmm. I think be talking to someone that's the same amount of time, that's like 20 x larger as well.

[00:13:56] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Right. So, um, like, like if, if for example, that was the scenario, then I feel like, um, like I can book way more business. 

[00:14:09] Toliy: Mm-hmm. You know? Hmm.

[00:14:20] Toliy: Okay. So what are you saying? 

[00:14:21] Toliy: And, and, and then like if that like kind of process is unlocked, then obviously like, because that leads some more revenue now. Well now you can create more time by hiring, more like by hiring like more people and then having them like, like passing down that information to them.

[00:14:40] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:14:41] Toliy: And then like coaching them and helping them to get to a point where like they can now do this kind of stuff too. And then. Um, like when you hire it like enough of those people, then you don't, you, you don't need to be like, like you slowly and slowly become less of like a full-time seller and you become more of like an observer and a coach and a helper, um, and like maybe a creator of like more sys like new systems and like, you continue hiring like your education levels on it.

[00:15:08] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Um, and then you just become more of like the, uh, the engineer. Yeah. Like the engineer, the eyes and ears of everything. Mm-hmm. But then, but the people are actually the ones closing. Hmm. For, for example, yeah. Like the sales manager or the sales like leader. Like their job is to make sure that the team like, knows what to do, performs properly.

[00:15:32] Toliy: Right. That like they're thriving, they're doing well. Identify like where people need help. Like if someone's struggling, why are they struggling? Like. Where is it? Is in the beginning, is in the middle, is in the end. Is it the, like, what words are they using? Are they, they not listening, right? Yeah. Like, yeah.

[00:15:48] Toliy: Right. And then like, like, you know, obviously with AI now it's easier. You can get, you can have all these conversations transcribed, recorded, like Yeah, yeah. You know, you can find out everything, you know? 

[00:15:59] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:16:00] Toliy: And then you can give people proper, like tips and help to like, help 'em. But it 

[00:16:03] Eldar: still does not mean that those people will perform.

[00:16:06] Toliy: No. There's gonna be some people that are just like, you know, like probably either don't enjoy it or like they don't have that passion or like mm-hmm. They don't like it. Or like, 

[00:16:15] Eldar: so still, like even if, even if you unlock certain amount of resources in order to pursue that, um, that dream, let's just say Yeah.

[00:16:23] Eldar: Does not necessarily mean that you will succeed in the dream itself. 

[00:16:26] Toliy: Well, I, I, I, I think you can also get good at identifying the, the right people that will, so that's another level. Well that, yeah. That's part of being like a good, like a leader is knowing like. Who to hire. Yeah. Right. Like there could be someone that's like good at, good at like showing something, but they not, but they, but they may be blinded or not understand, like who to hire for example, or who to bring in.

[00:16:48] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:16:48] Toliy: But like, as people become better and better, like I guarantee you that like the people that are like, good at identifying talent 

[00:16:54] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:16:55] Toliy: For example. 

[00:16:56] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:16:56] Toliy: Right. I mean, it's the same thing like in sports, right? Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:16:58] Eldar: No, I know. I know. 

[00:16:59] Toliy: Like people get drafted way later and then they do really well.

[00:17:02] Toliy: Yeah. But 

[00:17:03] Eldar: you see by like identifying, identifying, um, identifying the talent is different than having conversations with sales in sales, right. 

[00:17:12] Toliy: Um, it it, it's different, but it's like part of it, right? Like it's also like a, like a, a, uh, important skill is to be able to, um, like you, you kind of know what qualities are important.

[00:17:25] Toliy: Mm-hmm. And then you can maybe ask particular questions or bring out particular things from people to see if they have like the. The potential or maybe like the aptitude to like, like have those types of, uh, um, abilities that they may not even know that they have yet that you can help bring out of them.

[00:17:46] Eldar: Okay. What about 

[00:17:48] Toliy: the fact that, um,

[00:17:55] Toliy: the 

[00:17:55] Eldar: conflict that we have of one thing, you can identify the certain qualities of those individuals that are, might be good, quote, unquote on sales because they've been on the sports teams and they were competitive and therefore they have a drive, but they have no idea about anything, about philosophy and doing the right thing.

[00:18:14] Eldar: Yeah. How can that be the conflict? Because one thing you can get a hungry guy mm-hmm. Who can overwork himself and get, you know, tasks done. 

[00:18:21] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:18:22] Eldar: But Right. But he might be doing it in an unethical way. 

[00:18:25] Toliy: Yeah. I mean, um,

[00:18:30] Eldar: cutting corners somewhere else in conversations and stuff like that, you know? And yeah. 

[00:18:35] Toliy: And 

[00:18:35] Eldar: like, um, so it's like what you're looking for is a, a very specific balance probably. Yeah. Especially if you're talking about, uh, adhering to a level of ethics that you've developed throughout the process, right?

[00:18:48] Eldar: Yeah. To be able to, let's just say, for lack of better word, groom a good salesman. 

[00:18:54] Toliy: Yeah. You, what does that take? Yeah, you probably, yeah. I mean, like, you, you, like, you probably need to be able to, um, identify those things too. Like obviously, like those are all important things. Yeah. Now, like 

[00:19:09] Eldar: the last, the last, um, the last potential hire that we almost hired in sales.

[00:19:14] Eldar: Yeah. We're not gonna mention his name. Um, I remember you were raving about the fact that like he had experience, he spoke very well and stuff like that. Yeah. Right. Um, what was missing do you think? Did you see that some certain things were missing before we made an offer? Um, before. Or, or did it make sense after he declined the offer and after what you saw?

[00:19:38] Toliy: Um, it made sense after. Okay. But there was a point in the process, like towards the end where like, I don't know if you remember, I almost had like, I don't even wanna make the offer. Correct. Yeah. I remember that. 

[00:19:52] Eldar: That was a very important moment. 

[00:19:54] Toliy: Um, yeah. Yeah. Like you were even act advocating for more pay and more salary.

[00:20:00] Toliy: And I was like, no, I don't even wanna, I remember, yeah. I don't even want to go there. But I was doing that for a very specific reason, you know? Um, yeah. Yeah. No, I, like, I got like a particular, like when I gave the offer, I wanted to know. 

[00:20:12] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:20:13] Toliy: Like, I was hoping for a no. Yeah. I got the no. Yeah. Right. And like, like it was almost like a, like a relief.

[00:20:20] Toliy: Correct. You know, because like Yeah. Like I could talk shop with this person, like they understood some of the things I was saying. That's right. Right. But. Um, there were not people What? Yeah. There were not people. Yeah. When it, like, the question is, is like, when it comes to it, like when, when like, um, when when you get somebody and you can like, identify, um, like when you can see their attachments in like an ugly way.

[00:20:48] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:20:48] Toliy: Right. That to me is like the breaking point there. Mm-hmm. Where it's like, you know, they're gonna sell you out. Like they're gonna choose that. Yeah. Over any kind of like, um, like, um, like they're, they're like, they kind of prove to you that like it's just about getting theirs correct. You know? 

[00:21:10] Eldar: Yeah.

[00:21:11] Toliy: And when you see that, to me, it's like dirty. Yeah. That's it. 

[00:21:14] Eldar: Yeah. You know? So, so with that being said, 

[00:21:19] Toliy: yeah. Do those unicorns exist?

[00:21:26] Toliy: I.

[00:21:30] Toliy: Yeah. Probably not. Okay. I agree with 

[00:21:31] Eldar: you. 

[00:21:32] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:21:34] Eldar: With that being said, 

[00:21:35] Toliy: yeah, I feel like 

[00:21:36] Eldar: prob probably you have to raise them. 

[00:21:38] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. You probably have to. Yeah. You, yeah. You probably have to raise them in a way where they could see the ugly that you see that they don't see yet. That's right. And then when they see that ugly, then they go in the quest to change that ugly surrender, and then they become correct, like, you know, yeah.

[00:21:53] Toliy: Not ugly. Yeah. 

[00:21:55] Toliy: You know?

[00:22:02] Eldar: Yeah. I, I don't see, I don't see how we can hire like a seasoned salesperson or that that which can bring revenue and ultimately for you to be happy. Even if the money's being brought in. 

[00:22:15] Eldar: Yeah. Probably not. 

[00:22:16] Eldar: Yeah. Especially because you have a, I mean, a healthy attachment, which is a good attachment to doing the right, doing things the right way.

[00:22:25] Eldar: Right. And following the, giving back and doing, doing right by others, right. And growing someone into behaving properly. And with that being said, you know, if people have those attachments to making the most amount of money doing sales and all this other stuff, it'd be very hard to find somebody who's complete package.

[00:22:49] Eldar: You need to raise it. 

[00:22:49] Toliy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's funny, like, like a lot of sales leaders on LinkedIn, they'll post like, um, I love reps that are motivated by money. 

[00:22:59] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:22:59] Toliy: They say, yeah, right? Because for them they're like, okay. They're like, things are black and white here. 

[00:23:04] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:23:04] Toliy: I'm tasked to like. Grow the company mm-hmm.

[00:23:07] Toliy: And bring in revenue and like, grow it. Yeah. And then these people are motivated by money. 

[00:23:12] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:23:12] Toliy: Which exactly what they want to get. Yeah. And to get that they need to That's right. Like, help with this. Yeah. So if they're motivated by money, they're like, that's the easiest thing for them. Correct. Right. Yeah.

[00:23:22] Toliy: To crack. Because like then they're just gonna work hard and chip away. 

[00:23:25] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:23:26] Toliy: Right? Yeah. And then, and then, yeah. Like they're gonna, everyone gets what they want kind of. Yeah. 

[00:23:32] Eldar: You know? Yeah. But do they actually get what they want? 

[00:23:36] Toliy: Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. I'm just talking about in like a purely for-profit, like Yeah.

[00:23:40] Eldar: Business 

[00:23:41] Toliy: driven way, right? Yeah. Like if this is their job and they're like, yeah. Yeah. Having reps that are purely motivated by money. 

[00:23:47] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:23:48] Toliy: And that will learn as hard, like they'll learn everything to get there and to do all that. And they'll grind in the way. 

[00:23:52] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:23:53] Toliy: That, that, that's like the easiest reps.

[00:23:55] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:23:56] Toliy: Kind of like in, in that kind of way. They're self-motivated, right? Mm-hmm. They're trying to do this thing to, to get as much money as possible. 

[00:24:03] Eldar: Yeah. You know? Yeah. 

[00:24:08] Toliy: And like a sale sales is usually like a work like as hard as you want and you'll get like, you know what you, what you want. You can get an infinite like reward.

[00:24:15] Toliy: It's not like you're like, yeah. Capped, 

[00:24:17] Eldar: you know? Correct.

[00:24:21] Eldar: So how do we tie this back to the problem that you 

[00:24:24] Toliy: Yeah. You know, like my, my like, problem is that like there's particular things at the core of all of us that is not yet aligned with like the truth and how we act and how we think and we, how we conduct ourselves, right? Mm-hmm. But oftentimes, like we put that in the back burner and we only like address that thing when things are particularly bad in our lives and we have a moment of like paying attention.

[00:24:49] Eldar: Yeah, 

[00:24:50] Toliy: right. Like a moment of being very humble. 'cause like something is bad. Yeah. Right. Um, could be surrender a little bit. Yeah. It could be with like tragedy or like, you know. Yeah. I dunno. Realizing something or like Yeah. Epiphany. Yeah. Yeah. Epiphanies failing at something. Right. Um, like when the like, level of suffering is met, its match, that's usually when you're like, like thinking about those things or like very attentive, like to, to it.

[00:25:19] Toliy: And then you kind of hone back in like on, on, on your core and like the, like the center portion of you, right? Um, you forget about all those other attachments you had or things you wanna do, or like places you wanted to visit or vacations you wanted to go, or like things you wanted to buy, right? Or like yeah.

[00:25:37] Toliy: Tasks you wanted to complete or like, whatever it is, shows you wanted to watch, right? All that becomes like second, third, like, fourth, fifth, like things like, you know, irrelevant. Yeah. Um, and then what happens is that like you work on that core, but I'm not sure if it's like a stamina thing that you need to be, like, you need a certain level of stamina to like pitch away at it consistently.

[00:26:01] Toliy: Or like a memory thing where it's like you have a level of short term me memory that allows you to get yourself back into like what you may consider like a balanced place or like a, like an okay. Like place. And then you slowly forget about that pain that you had, or slowly, you f like, you can't feel how like, um, like, um, you can't feel that same way.

[00:26:27] Toliy: Right? Like, and, and, and like, like like the Knick set said in the last round when they beat the Celtics, the first two games and they're up two o Yeah. They're all talking about like Yeah. The, like, everyone's like, yeah, we gotta have the mentality like we're O2. 

[00:26:41] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:26:42] Toliy: And then they went into that third game and got spanked.

[00:26:44] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:26:44] Toliy: You know? 

[00:26:45] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:26:45] Toliy: And then they said afterwards they're like, um, it's impossible. One, one of the players on the, on the team said, yeah. Like, I know that we're all talking about like, we have to be hungry. Like we're, we're down O2 and we're fighting for our lives. I was spanked. And he, and he was like, yeah, like, we realistically, like we didn't.

[00:27:00] Toliy: We couldn't fake it. Basically like, yeah. Yeah. You can't pretend to be oh two when you're up two. Oh, correct. Like, you're in the driver's seat. Are you kidding me? Correct. Yeah. You just won two games on your opponents. Yeah. On floor. Now you're going back home for two more. 

[00:27:11] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:27:12] Toliy: You can't act like this is a do or die.

[00:27:14] Toliy: Yeah. When it's not do or die. 

[00:27:15] Eldar: Yeah, that's right. Right. That's right. 

[00:27:17] Toliy: So they, the, the like, like, it's actually fine. The, the way that the player, um, explained it, he was like, yeah, I think hu human condition, he said took over. Mm-hmm. And like, we couldn't, like, we couldn't pretend to be O2. Hmm. We couldn't be that hungry.

[00:27:31] Toliy: 'cause we weren't. He was like, we actually weren't. 

[00:27:33] Eldar: Hmm. 

[00:27:34] Toliy: We were a little bit full. Right. 

[00:27:35] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:27:35] Toliy: We had something to eat. 

[00:27:36] Eldar: That's right. That's right. 

[00:27:38] Toliy: You know, and like, or you compare it to like, you, you fighters who make a lot of money. 

[00:27:42] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[00:27:43] Toliy: You gonna wake up at 5:00 AM like 

[00:27:44] Eldar: that. No. 

[00:27:45] Toliy: And go run. 

[00:27:46] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:27:47] Toliy: You are gonna do a thousand pushups a day.

[00:27:49] Toliy: That's right. So what are you saying? 

[00:27:52] Toliy: You know, so, so I'm saying, is that like, um, like. My main problem is that I feel like the, the, the way I feel, and again, maybe it's inaccurate, the way I feel is that everyone out there, they're working on like the, um, branches and like the leaf portion of the tree. 

[00:28:11] Eldar: Yeah.

[00:28:11] Toliy: This is what their life entails and this is the primary, um, time that's spent throughout their whole day. 

[00:28:17] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:28:18] Toliy: But the core and the root of it is not being worked on. 

[00:28:21] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:28:22] Toliy: And, and enough, that's why those sales 

[00:28:24] Eldar: leaders Right. That, that brought the company to 300, 400 million. Right. They quick quit everything, drop everything, and go back to their family and trying to get to the roots.

[00:28:33] Eldar: Right. 

[00:28:36] Toliy: You know?

[00:28:39] Eldar: Yeah. That's interesting. You just trying to find a way to do it right, Sam? 

[00:28:45] Toliy: Well, the, the thing is that to me is that like, if you don't have those core fundamental principles, right? Those, if, if you wanna call it rotten portions of you mm-hmm. They're going to leak out and they're going to break into all of these different things that you wanna do.

[00:29:02] Toliy: It, it's almost like they're forever, they're forever designed to bleed into everything that like you want. Right. So that like they service reminder, like, Hey, yeah, you, you're not gonna forget or leave, leave us. Yeah. Right. 

[00:29:16] Toliy: Yeah. Right. Um, like 

[00:29:22] Toliy: those things will just continue to follow you and their goal is to keep, keep coming after you and kind of keep, like their head's gonna pop out everywhere, right?

[00:29:32] Toliy: Yeah. Until it's addressed. Yeah. You can't run from them. 

[00:29:36] Eldar: Right. Um, the thing is, the good thing is that a lot of times the truth of the matter is those things don't actually exist. 

[00:29:43] Toliy: So, so they don't actually exist, but they do like, it, it like, it's one of those things where it's like, yeah, it's 

[00:29:47] Eldar: very iCal for sure.

[00:29:48] Toliy: Yeah, I know what you're saying. But they, they, for that person at that time, they do exist. Mm-hmm. And, um, un until addressed, that will continue to happen. But to me, like I feel about it, let's talk about the 

[00:30:01] Eldar: addressing part then, but 

[00:30:02] Toliy: like, 1, 1, 1, 1 more thing, like the way I feel about it is that people are like in a hamster wheel.

[00:30:09] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:30:09] Toliy: And they don't know that they're in it Right. Until they trip. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. And you kind of fall. Yeah. And then you're just like, oh shit. Like, this is what I was on. 

[00:30:20] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:30:20] Toliy: This is what's going on, actually. 

[00:30:22] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:30:22] Toliy: What should I do? Can't believe I've been on the like thing doing this this whole time.

[00:30:26] Toliy: Yes. Right. Those are all the similar feelings that everyone can relate to. 

[00:30:30] Eldar: That's right. 

[00:30:30] Toliy: Right. So my, my my point is that like, it almost feels that like everyone's living outta delusion as to what's important to them. When those important things to them, they'll never be able to enjoy or get the value that they're looking at when, um, like even if they have proper good feelings towards those things, or like they want to actually achieve good things or they wanna do things right, or like, yeah.

[00:30:55] Toliy: Even if it's that right, until they address those principles and those cores like, uh, like fundamentally mm-hmm. And choose a way of living and then actually live it out and then live their life with like a, uh, particular piece, um, and calmness in them. They almost can't express themselves like creatively.

[00:31:18] Toliy: Right. It's like, like, like, it's like Tom right. For example, like Yeah. He's been struggling with like the same things forever. 

[00:31:26] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:31:26] Toliy: And like if you hear him talk like he so desperately wants to express himself creatively. 

[00:31:32] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:31:32] Toliy: But there's something that's like I. It's, it's a, it's a lifelong hamster wheel run.

[00:31:37] Toliy: Yeah, yeah. Of something like going wrong or things not working out, or like whatever's happening. Right. Yeah. But the person themselves, like, they may like, like, they don't know what's actually happening. They don't actually know. Like, what, like, like they can't see it. Yeah. They're, they're blind to what's, to what's actually important or what they actually need to like, do, you know?

[00:32:00] Toliy: Yeah. Um,

[00:32:06] Toliy: that's how I feel about, it's that everyone's out there working on shit. Doing shit, right? Yeah. And all that shit that they're working on doing that is gonna end up bad. It's not gonna end up how they want. Yeah. They're not gonna be able to be happy because those rotten portions of them that like, um, they're gonna bleed out.

[00:32:23] Toliy: And then they're not gonna be able to enjoy those things. Mm. The person that wanted to be that executive or build that life for his family. Yeah. He's not gonna understand what to do. He's gonna sacrifice particular things. Yeah. Not be there, not be present for particular things, get particular illnesses from doing that, and then they're gonna live a life of regret.

[00:32:41] Eldar: Mm. 

[00:32:42] Toliy: Once they actually realize it. 

[00:32:43] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:32:44] Toliy: Right. Yeah. But the, but the person in the beginning is, is not like, Hey, I have a dream. My dream is to not be present for my family, get really sick, have a bunch of money, but, and, and then regret all these things. Like, like, no, no, no one talks like that. Like, do you, like when did you hear that?

[00:33:03] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:33:03] Toliy: From, from even the biggest crooks. When, when? Like, when, when do you hear that? 

[00:33:08] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:33:09] Toliy: Yeah. Hey, I want to like, 

[00:33:11] Eldar: so what are your suggestion then? What is your approach or what, what, what should you suggest? What do you advise on this? Yeah. Because my argument is this, right? My argument is that. Yes, you have to do something about it.

[00:33:25] Eldar: I am not sure if I'm gonna be in agreeance with what you are gonna suggest, how much attention this needs to be actually put on those things. Yeah. But, but, but I 

[00:33:33] Toliy: have a battle on that. I'm not sure if, if you and your present self is capable of saying like, like, it's like, may, may maybe like tell, tell me if you're telling me if I'm correct.

[00:33:44] Toliy: Mm-hmm. My, like, your prediction would be that I would say, Hey, like drop everything. 

[00:33:48] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:33:49] Toliy: And just focus on this thing and don't like, like you ain't gonna do shit anyway until like this is addressed. So just this is a hundred percent like attention. Is that what you thought I was gonna say on the problems?

[00:34:00] Toliy: On the, on the, on the actualization? Well, no, like to like drop all of your attachments, drop everything that you like. Yeah. And just, you need to go figure this inner thing out. And until you do, you're not gonna do shit. Like, I, I is, is that what you think? Think I was say, do you mean focus on the 

[00:34:18] Eldar: problems?

[00:34:19] Toliy: Yeah. Focus on the, on your inner core. Yeah. That's like rotten. Yeah. That needs to be addressed. 

[00:34:24] Eldar: Yeah. That's what I thought that you 

[00:34:25] Toliy: were 

[00:34:25] Eldar: gonna say. 

[00:34:25] Toliy: Yeah. Yes. So that, that's a, that correct. That that's also what I think like, like I thought I was gonna say, but as we're talking, I also Yeah. Feel that like, I'm not sure if anyone has a stamina to actually do that.

[00:34:37] Toliy: Agreed. I'm not sure if Agreed, you actually have the ability to suffer that much. 'cause there's gonna be a lot of suffering Yes. And pain involved. Yes. And I'm not sure if you can actually endure that kind of I 

[00:34:47] Eldar: agree with 

[00:34:47] Toliy: you 

[00:34:48] Eldar: l like level, but I, I'm also agreeing and I'm saying that most of that baggage, probably 99% of it doesn't exist.

[00:34:55] Eldar: It's not even real. Yeah. Where like if we, we actually had conversations about some of the doubts, fears. Yeah. But, but, and all the stuff that you're talking about, like they're irrelevant. 

[00:35:05] Toliy: Yeah. But I think for you to like, for you to get rid of some of these things, even if they're not real, I think you need to feel the pain.

[00:35:14] Eldar: Why? Well, then, then that's a different conversation. 

[00:35:17] Toliy: Yeah. Because I'm not sure if you can truly like, understand them or let them go with, without like, feeling the pain of it. So now like understanding it and saying like, why, why, okay. I don't need this anymore. Why, 

[00:35:31] Eldar: why, why, why? Because I think that like, that goes into like a much deeper conversation.

[00:35:37] Toliy: Yeah. Probably because 

[00:35:39] Eldar: your soul is dirty and your previous lives you've been a sinner. 

[00:35:44] Toliy: I mean, that could be, yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean I, I I was also like, like, uh, leaning toward like, like, like a portion of you actually likes experiencing that kind of pain and you need to, that's, that's an interesting one to Yeah.

[00:35:59] Toliy: And, and you need to feel the pain of it enough to not like this anymore. Yeah. To actually, actually not like this anymore. Like, I actually don't like this anymore. Mm-hmm. You know? Yeah. Because like now I'm like, 'cause a lot of the times it like these pains and these like. These like little missions you can go on with anxiety or, or whatever.

[00:36:16] Toliy: Yeah. They're unconscious, like little missions. Yeah. You know? 

[00:36:19] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:36:19] Toliy: But if you consciously sit there 

[00:36:21] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:36:21] Toliy: And you consciously feel the pain of it. 

[00:36:23] Eldar: That's right. 

[00:36:24] Toliy: It is so unbearable. Yes. That like, your choice is either to like go jump off a bridge. Yeah. Right. 

[00:36:30] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:36:31] Toliy: Or, um, 

[00:36:34] Toliy: or go do some something about it.

[00:36:36] Toliy: Yeah. So what is your suggestion?

[00:36:46] Toliy: Yeah. I, I don't think that people have the stamina. 

[00:36:50] Toliy: Um, 

[00:36:52] Eldar: well, if that's the case, then 

[00:36:53] Toliy: what do you suggest to do it? Well, yeah, then, then it becomes hard because for me it's like almost like, okay, like, like what, what what you're doing is gonna end up bad because these things are gonna bleed through the, the, to me, like that's, that's, that's like so factual.

[00:37:10] Toliy: I can't like. I can dispute it, you know? Okay. Um, because I see it. Okay. But how much, how much 

[00:37:17] Eldar: attention should you put on those things then? Right? What, what's the balance? Find us the, the middle way. 

[00:37:24] Toliy: Give us the middle way.

[00:37:32] Toliy: Yeah. Like, like 

[00:37:35] Toliy: if you're talking about balance and the middle way, you can't use the words, go have a relentless pursuit of something. Yeah. Like aggressive like this. Yes. You can't use those kind of words. Cannot. You cannot. Right. But that's not what you, you're asking, looking for either. Yeah. Because a portion of like addressing particular attachments or addressing particular things, it needs to like, have like, like there has to be part of it has to be a no attachment.

[00:37:58] Toliy: Like, it's like have a, no attachment to attachment. 

[00:38:02] Toliy: Like that's right.

[00:38:10] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that you can use any kind of that language of like, right now or like, no matter what, or like relentless or like aggressive or like, you can't use these kind of words to describe like, the actualization of your soul. Like how, how, like, how, how would that make sense? Like, like the act, like the activation of truth within yourself and the application of it.

[00:38:35] Toliy: And you use those kind of words. Like, 

[00:38:37] Eldar: so is it just like, okay, if it's not your soul, right? Because you understand how pure maybe that thing can be. So what are we talking about? Are we talking about just changing your, your personality? 

[00:38:46] Toliy: It's, it's actually like, um, or the image that you've built for yourself and others.

[00:38:51] Toliy: It, it's, to me it's the con it it's a conversion of perception to reality to align your perceptions with actual reality. Reality. And that to me is like the like. Um, like life's like, like to me, life starts when that actually happens. Like once you actually feel that, that, like, on that thing you actually align with reality.

[00:39:17] Toliy: Like you have like an, like an undeniable feeling of like being alive. 

[00:39:21] Eldar: Mm. 

[00:39:22] Toliy: You know? Well, agreed. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Like when you actually know it, they're like, yo, like, like this is actually right. It's synchronized. Yeah. Like, correct. It's actually cor Correct. Yeah. It's indisputable. Yeah. And you, you actually like, like, like you, like, like you got this right?

[00:39:36] Toliy: Like you, you're actually doing something right in that thing for, for example, right? Mm-hmm. Like you can never associate any of that with any kind of bad feeling. Correct. Because it's impossible 

[00:39:46] Eldar: now knowing what you know now. Yeah. What part of your day is actually not aligned to what you just said?

[00:39:55] Toliy: What part of my day, aside from eating too much. That part for sure. You know? Um,

[00:40:11] Toliy: do you have fun and enjoy yourself most of the day 

[00:40:15] Eldar: I 

[00:40:15] Toliy: do. 

[00:40:17] Eldar: Yeah. But do you do the things when I have, when feel like, do you do the things that you do at the times when you want to do them? 

[00:40:24] Toliy: Yeah. But at times I do beat myself up when I almost have too much fun. 

[00:40:29] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:40:29] Toliy: Because I'm like, oh, I should be going, doing some tasks.

[00:40:32] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:40:32] Toliy: You know? 

[00:40:33] Toliy: Yeah. Um, but, and shit's working, right?

[00:40:45] Toliy: Yeah. Uh, yeah, it's working, but 

[00:40:46] Toliy: not to the level that is in my imagination. 

[00:40:49] Eldar: Fine, fine. You know? Fine. And I think that's might be where the problem is. 

[00:40:53] Toliy: Yeah. I definitely don't think that anyone makes the kind of revenue that we make. Doing the things that we do. And zero chance, correct. Absolutely zero.

[00:41:01] Toliy: Correct. With, with, with, without like being like a thief or something. Yes. Like, you know Yes. Like, no chance. Correct. Like, like, like ROI of actual time, like spent doing things. Yes. Like, like what people consider like a business. Correct. That's what I was gonna say. Yeah. Like no chance. Correct. No chance. I, and 

[00:41:19] Eldar: I think that's a testament to that.

[00:41:21] Eldar: I think we're onto something and we've been onto something for a very long time. Yeah. And we actually know what the fuck we're doing. Yeah. You know what I mean? And, um, the problem lies in

[00:41:38] Eldar: your vision or your dream and how big it is and the time. 

[00:41:44] Toliy: Well, yes, that, but it's also that's the biggest thing. Yeah. But it's also like, I need to probably like, um, I. 

[00:41:52] Eldar: And maybe sometimes not, not reflecting enough. Yeah. And being grateful for that, which is, 

[00:41:58] Toliy: yeah. Like I feel like I, I, I probably also need to like revisit like the reasons for like

[00:42:08] Toliy: maybe doing things and maybe like, um, like, like maybe like revisit like, um, what kind of energy I should be extracting for from particular things. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And I feel like that could probably fuel me, um, 

[00:42:27] Eldar: yeah. 

[00:42:28] Toliy: To like, to a level of that's like not, not fueling me now. Yeah. And I think that 

[00:42:32] Eldar: if you were to, to examine the progress of what's been going on and how we've been doing it, I think that if you were to look at the overall picture, we're going exactly to the place that you want to go.

[00:42:45] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:42:46] Eldar: It just might be in a little bit in the slow motion. Yeah. In comparison to the dream that you might have in your head. 

[00:42:53] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:42:53] Eldar: Um, of wanting to do it a little bit more in that expedited thing, but I think it is probably driven by the fact that you are a buzzer on the inside. That's it. And I, and I know this because you're saying that, look, it sounds like you might be in peace, and I want that.

[00:43:12] Eldar: I want that where I can be engaged creatively and focus long enough and not have attachments to other things, but do it long enough to succeed. 

[00:43:21] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:43:21] Eldar: You know what I mean? 

[00:43:22] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:43:23] Eldar: Where like, we were doing this podcast for more than five years. I know that we don't have thousands of listeners, but I know we're chipping away at the fact that we will have crazy amounts of listeners.

[00:43:35] Eldar: Yeah. And nobody can tell me otherwise. 

[00:43:38] Toliy: Yeah. So, um, like the, this is actually like the thing I was about to say next and you, you already beat me, um mm-hmm. To it. Um, when you're in a feeling of peace in internally Yeah. One indicator of that is that when you play out, when you play out your attachments and your desires 

[00:44:00] Eldar: Yeah.

[00:44:00] Toliy: You, you have the feeling of chip chipping away at them. 

[00:44:04] Eldar: Hmm. Yeah. 

[00:44:05] Toliy: Like you actually feel that Yeah. And you actually know it happening without, like, you, you don't need others to like Yeah. Tell you that. Correct. You're actually chipping away. Yeah. Where I feel like the rest of the world is figuring out how to start.

[00:44:19] Toliy: Hmm. That to me is the difference. 

[00:44:21] Eldar: Hmm. Okay. 

[00:44:22] Toliy: Is that everyone out there? Yeah. But is that the case for you? I don't care about the world. I care about you. At, at, at particular things. Yes. Um. How so? Well, like with this like outbound stuff and like with this like di different stuff, it's like, it's like you're always trying to figure out is like, what do you need to actually do?

[00:44:39] Toliy: How is this gonna actually work? Like, what's gonna actually work? Like, how to actually crack it so that like, you always wanna like, um, crack it. Yeah. So that like, you can now start to chip away at it, but it doesn't feel like, like, it doesn't consciously feel that you're chipping away at it because you're having to like pivot or change direction or like do particular like things.

[00:45:00] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Right. Um, and um, like when, when you have that feeling of, of like, like act, act like actual peace and now you're just like in zoned into something and doing something, like you actually, um, you feel like you're chipping away at things, right? Mm-hmm. And like, like a natural thing that I see. Like for example in like in your life, like you're always like, you're like, you could see it, you're chipping away at like at your garden.

[00:45:29] Toliy: Yeah. You're chipping away at like. The development of people. Yeah. You're chipping away at, uh, I don't know, learning climbing. Yeah. Right. Um, where like, I feel like the way that other people act and the way that other people do, do things, like they, they're, they're, they're trying to find their place still.

[00:45:46] Toliy: Like they're, they're, they're still trying to find out as to like, uh, where does it start? And how do I go and like, like how do I, like where does the path start here? 

[00:45:54] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:45:54] Toliy: Right. And that, that for that person at that time, it doesn't feel like chip chipping away. Mm-hmm. And that's the uneasy easiness, because once you're like, like once you actually get the feeling that you're chipping away at something 

[00:46:08] Eldar: Yeah.

[00:46:08] Toliy: Like, that's it. Like you are on the right path. Yeah. Like, that's it. You're chipping away at something. Yeah. Like, what are we talking about? 

[00:46:15] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:46:15] Toliy: Right. That, that's what everybody wants. 

[00:46:18] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:46:18] Toliy: But, um, not many people can get themselves in a position where they actually feel that. 'cause all the things that you mentioned when you're, yeah.

[00:46:27] Toliy: When you're chipping away at something, there's not that level of pressure there. There's not that level of stress. Um, but when you still need to find out like what, like where, where, where to start. Almost. There's a ton of stress there. There's a ton of anxiety there. There's like a ton of like, there fear there.

[00:46:46] Eldar: Hmm. 

[00:46:47] Toliy: Right. Yeah. But when you're already on that path, you don't need to be scared anymore. You don't need to be anxious anymore. Like you, you, you don't need to. Um, it's not a fly to 

[00:46:57] Toliy: fight. Yeah. Or mode. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

[00:47:04] Toliy: So what, what are you 

[00:47:06] Eldar: suggesting, say something like final thoughts or something for the people that are struggling with this? Or do they even know that they, this exists? Or for yourself? What would you wish yourself? 

[00:47:17] Toliy: Yeah. I feel like this episode needs, needs to get like, thrown away into the archives. Why?

[00:47:22] Toliy: Because it's bad. 

[00:47:23] Eldar: Really. It's bad. What do you mean it's bad? Yeah. I think it's very good. 

[00:47:28] Toliy: Yeah. It's like a, uh, like, it, it, it's like a conscious realization of like a particular hell. Mm-hmm. That's like happening. 

[00:47:35] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:47:36] Toliy: But like, once you start to realize it, like if you think about it too much, it's almost like it can overwhelm the actual portion of you that can actually like, do something like about it almost.

[00:47:46] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:47:47] Toliy: Like, it, like, it could be like a, like a like debilitating, right. It's like, it, it, it, like, it's, it's almost like a prolonged level of like Yeah. But you know, when you 

[00:47:57] Eldar: give you clarity on Yeah. To remove certain things. 

[00:48:00] Toliy: Yeah. But like, like, like, like this happens to like, at times, to like, uh, to like me, to Harris, to like Mike.

[00:48:09] Toliy: Right? Like, we could be like doing something and then we realize something and then we're just like, we, we get in that like mode. It, it's typically for a short period of time. Right. But I'm saying that if you think about this enough, to me, it'll be a prolonged time. But like, we're almost like. Damn. Like, am I still still so nish in this?

[00:48:27] Toliy: Or like, I realize like, like, I haven't learned anything, you know? Yeah. Or like, like, like you almost get that kind of feeling that like, what the fuck? Like back at square one, like not even know what path we're on. Like, you know, it's almost like, what the fuck? Yeah. Right. And I feel like if you think too much about this, like you could get there.

[00:48:43] Toliy: Like you could be at that place where it's like a, a like a prolonged level of that and like, but isn't that a good thing? It's a good thing if you have the stamina for it. 

[00:48:54] Eldar: Okay. Which, which means that you probably do because you still having the conversation and you still trying to improve your life and yourself.

[00:49:02] Eldar: Yeah. It just sounds like, it's almost like what you said, it's like Yeah. People have to go through certain experience, experiences in order to humble themselves. 

[00:49:10] Toliy: The, the, the, the thing with it, to me at least, is like, how, how I, I always felt is that like I have a crazy imagination. Mm-hmm. You know? 

[00:49:19] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:49:19] Toliy: And they could be stretched like crazy.

[00:49:22] Toliy: Yeah. For, but at, but at, 

[00:49:25] Eldar: but attachments are fallen in those, in those stretched imagination for, 

[00:49:28] Toliy: for bad and for good. 

[00:49:29] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:49:30] Toliy: And because like I had so much anxiety for like, such a long time 

[00:49:34] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:49:34] Toliy: My imagination oftentimes is used towards bad. Yeah. And the feelings of those bad and the sufferings of all bad.

[00:49:41] Toliy: And like, like, like, like I, I, I, I feel like I've suffered so long for like, uh, invisible things that don't exist. 

[00:49:50] Toliy: Mm-hmm.

[00:49:54] Toliy: Um, but 

[00:49:59] Toliy: I think it helped me grow some level of stamina. 

[00:50:02] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. That's good. You know, a hundred percent 

[00:50:05] Toliy: from, from it. Some like a grit, 

[00:50:07] Eldar: you know? I agree. I agree with that. And I think the more that you relieve yourself of certain things that don't actually matter, I think the more you get closer to that focus that you're looking for.

[00:50:15] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:50:18] Eldar: I think that, I think what you're doing is that slowly, you're probably just sifting through like what's important, what's not important, what's important, what's not important, and you slowly removing certain things to say like, you know what, this serves me. I like how I feel. I'm gonna pursue that and I'm gonna get to it.

[00:50:31] Eldar: And I think one day I think maybe you'll get to a place where you're not focus of actualizing yourself and uh, really kind of, um, putting it all together into the picture that you actually really want based on the, based on the requirements that you have inside of you, based on your values and beliefs.

[00:50:47] Toliy: Yeah. Which is a good thing. Yeah. I feel like, yeah, I feel like, like there could be some people that like 

[00:50:51] Eldar: maybe one day just not today. 

[00:50:54] Toliy: Well, no, not even that, that, that like realize like some things. Yeah. Right. And there there are those like crazy conspiracy theories that like, yo, this is just an all simulation.

[00:51:03] Toliy: Yeah. They're just like, maybe they have some kind of feeling 

[00:51:05] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:51:06] Toliy: But they can't tie it to like actual like Yeah. Like that you have any kind of control. Yeah. So then they get into this crazy pit of like, yeah, this is a simulation. Like, yeah. Like. Fate is fate, like uhhuh, that's it. Like, you know, like, and then they try to go into these like holes of like, 

[00:51:21] Eldar: yeah.

[00:51:21] Toliy: Figuring out like, like, like this thing that, like, now they get the feeling that people are after them, or like, yeah. Para paranoia, the matrix is trying to take them down and they 

[00:51:29] Eldar: go light themselves on fire or shoot up the school. Yeah. Like, yeah. And then they get arrested, go to jail, and they're like, oh shit, this is real.

[00:51:36] Toliy: Yeah. No, 

[00:51:37] Eldar: enjoy the hell. 

[00:51:38] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. But they get, they, they get these things like, they, like the matrix is after them, you know? Yeah. Like, they wanna, they're like beacons of truth and somebody wants to out there, shut them down, you know? Or like, not let them speak. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like a, like a, like a conspiracy theorists.

[00:51:53] Toliy: Dan Bilzerian has this. Yeah. He's very like, anti, um, um, um, Israel like crazy. 

[00:51:59] Eldar: Okay. Okay. 

[00:52:00] Toliy: Out loud. And he says that it's all like, he has like, like his whole life is about showing proof that like, that like, Jewish people are like bad and they control the world. Mm-hmm. And like he all, he shows how like they.

[00:52:13] Toliy: Remove wealth from him and like how they like, will like, tear shit down from him or like make his life harder. Yeah. And how they control particular things. And like, he almost feels it like everyone's asleep to this. Yeah. And he has this like, beacon of light discovery that he realized Yeah. And he can't like, share it to others because like they're, they're oppressing him and they're trying to take him down and like he's in this crazy pit on that.

[00:52:34] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:52:35] Toliy: And like, I don't, like, I like I never heard this kind of re rhetoric from him up until maybe the last like three, four years max. You know, where he, where, where he got put on this. Yeah. And that's it. Maybe like Kanye West could a maybe has like some of this, right? Yeah, 

[00:52:51] Eldar: for sure. 

[00:52:52] Toliy: Or like the, the, the forces are out there mm-hmm.

[00:52:54] Toliy: To to, to get 'em, 

[00:52:56] Eldar: you know, and, and subjectively maybe there are, yeah. You know, maybe there are some people that are trying to like mute them or whatever. Yeah. But I mean, like, it, it's also rightfully so they should be right because like if Kanye was going around there saying like. Ha Hitler, and like he loves Hitler or whatever.

[00:53:12] Eldar: He wants to kill all the Jews or whatever. I don't know what the fuck he wants to do. Mm-hmm. Right? Rightfully so. I think there's gonna be people on the other side saying like, yo, what the fuck? We have to calm this guy down. 

[00:53:22] Toliy: Well, well, yeah, but I'm saying that and people will go after him. Like, no, but I'm saying that like, the reason that he says this to begin with, like why, like he gets like he's on a particular impression that like, 

[00:53:30] Eldar: yeah, well something is bad.

[00:53:32] Eldar: Or like, I think that he wants to like kind of maybe go the opposite way where like everybody said Hitler was bad and he's kind of trying to maybe prove otherwise or something. I don't know. I know the theory. Yeah. I'm not, yeah. Like what I don they get psyche. 

[00:53:42] Toliy: Yeah. Like whatever thing that they get judge, like a, like a glitched on and they can't jump over.

[00:53:47] Toliy: Yeah. Like, um, but so what, who gives a fuck? No, no, no. Yeah. Like, you know. Yeah. I don't remember why, why I was making 

[00:53:53] Eldar: this point, but maybe you weren't trying to portray that they're living out their hell. 

[00:53:57] Toliy: Well, Y oh, oh yeah. Like I, I I was just trying to say that like maybe some people like, um, realize like something, but they don't know like, what's going on.

[00:54:05] Toliy: Yeah. And then they like, they start making like. Um, like the worst thing is that like, when something is off, you make an assumption or you don't have actual like mm-hmm. Data back behind like what you're saying, and it's not like truthful. Then you go down a crazy pit because that pit's gonna be endless.

[00:54:22] Toliy: Okay. Like, it'll have endless like rebuttals and, and there's like-minded people that support that, like, you out there that are gonna be supporting these things. Yeah. That's the 

[00:54:29] Eldar: dangerous 

[00:54:30] Toliy: part. And that keeps up this false perception for a very long time, 

[00:54:35] Eldar: which is an interesting phenomenon that we could talk about that next time for sure.

[00:54:38] Toliy: Yeah. You know? Yeah. So like, so how's this affecting you? It's, it's, it's affecting me because it's like, um, there's still particular things that I want to do that like I'm trying to like do. Mm-hmm. But like, um, they don't, they're not working out like as intended, like, you know, um, like. Um, like there has to be reasons as to why they're not working out as like intended and like the tracking back of those like re reasons what we probably eventually go to some core principle that like, um, like, like I'm wrong about or I'm not doing properly Mm.

[00:55:28] Toliy: That is poking its way in that thing that I have an attachment to. Ah, 

[00:55:32] Eldar: that's very interesting. 

[00:55:34] Toliy: No, well, well, well, no, that's what I was saying is that like yeah. These, these, these core perceptions or these core principles of truth Yeah. That I'm talking about. 

[00:55:42] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:55:43] Toliy: They like your soul. 

[00:55:44] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:55:45] Toliy: Your soul will never leave you.

[00:55:46] Toliy: Like you can't just ban it. 

[00:55:48] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:55:49] Toliy: You have no choice in it. 

[00:55:50] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:55:50] Toliy: Right. And it's always going to try to 

[00:55:53] Eldar: like, so then we, we just have to examine the reasons why you wanna do certain things. 

[00:55:57] Toliy: Well, yes. And you have to examine like this like soul thing so that like, it doesn't need to go chase you. It's like you can meet it where it's at.

[00:56:06] Toliy: And that you can spend the time to learn it and understand it pro properly, so that it's not like the to, to, to me, like the soul's purpose is to help you remember. Mm-hmm. Right? Yes. And it's speaking to somebody that has no memory. 

[00:56:21] Eldar: Yes. Right? Yeah. 

[00:56:22] Toliy: That that's what it is. Yeah. So try, go, try to go, try to like, like it's, it, it, um, it's like the notebook phenomenon, right?

[00:56:30] Toliy: Yeah. Go try to tell someone about things that they can't remember it, right? Yeah. So the soul's purpose is to help you remember, but you're resisting like hardest fuck. 

[00:56:40] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:56:40] Toliy: Right. And the soul, it has like a forever stamina to go find you. Yes. To go help you find it. Yeah. Right. And it's almost like its purpose is to help you find it.

[00:56:50] Toliy: Yes. Right. Um, so 

[00:56:52] Eldar: then you would have to just ask like, okay, cool. Like what are my intentions here? Why do I want what I want? What is it that I actually want? 

[00:56:58] Toliy: Well, okay. Yes. So like what you're saying is all the correct steps, but there's a lot of like memory loss that happens to, to you mm-hmm. Along the way because the famili, like, you have a familiar language of like, pain or not pain, right.

[00:57:12] Toliy: Pain or not pain. And sometimes these things live in between where like, you don't get to feel that pain right away. You need to go and, and, and live it out. Yeah. You need to go live it out so that like you're doing, you're doing it, then it hits you like a ton of bricks. Yeah. So it's not like you write it away, know if the, if it's gonna be, if, if the fire's hot.

[00:57:31] Eldar: Yeah. Right. Well, give us a real world example for the people that don't understand. What the fuck are you saying that you're going through right now? That it hit your tunnel of breaks and you're like, oh, okay. Like I can tie this back to the fact that I have this attachment, or I have this fear. Give us an example.

[00:57:46] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like any kind of like life things that, it's like having relationships with people, like talking with people. What about the Knicks losing the first game, right? No, no, not even that. Like, that, that like, um, like, like, it's like, um, it's everyday life. 

[00:58:05] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:58:06] Toliy: Right? You, you just think about all the different things that you want to do or you like to do.

[00:58:13] Toliy: Yeah. Right. And where things don't go your way. 

[00:58:17] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:58:17] Toliy: Like everybody has this feeling for sure. Right? Yeah. Maybe not every day, but probably weekly for sure. Yeah. Right. You messed up on something, you thought one thing it was the other. 

[00:58:27] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:58:27] Toliy: Right. Yeah. You assumed one thing, you realized your assumption was wrong.

[00:58:31] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:58:31] Toliy: Right. Um, everybody experiences these kinds of things. Right. Um, so I. Huh. The question is why, why does this always happen to you? Right. I think you answered it. This always happens to you because that piece of shit inside of you is peeping its head. That's right. Right. And it's saying you wanna learn sales.

[00:58:58] Toliy: Yeah. You, you, you're trying to get more leads, trying to have better conversations. Mm-hmm. Are you stupid? Yeah. Right? Yeah. Like, like you, you always say that like, hey, if you're hungry, like you gotta drown the who's right. But sometimes, like fucking who's are there, man. Right? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Like the, um, they're there.

[00:59:15] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Like that who is like, like, like the, the real who is your soul. 

[00:59:19] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:59:19] Toliy: You're not gonna drown that guy out. 

[00:59:21] Eldar: Yes. That's right. You can trigger for this whole, there nothing you 

[00:59:23] Toliy: can do. Yeah. You can only trick things temporarily the moment. Yeah. You can hide temporarily. Yeah. But it's gonna follow you.

[00:59:29] Toliy: That's right. Right. 

[00:59:31] Toliy: Um,

[00:59:36] Toliy: so what are you saying? What would you advise yourself? So 

[00:59:41] Eldar: like, speak to yourself of fucks sakes. Say something decent so you can wake up on Tuesday and fucking follow through a little bit. 

[00:59:49] Toliy: Yeah. I'm not sure I know what to say. 

[00:59:52] Toliy: Okay. 

[00:59:53] Toliy: You know, like, it's like, um, like you're fucked for now. May maybe, you know, but it's like, um, yeah.

[01:00:02] Toliy: I was like, may, may, may. Maybe the, the thing that came to mind was, was like, like if you're gonna do something, anything, whatever it is, right. If you're not enjoying it 

[01:00:13] Eldar: mm-hmm. 

[01:00:13] Toliy: You know Yeah. You're actually not enjoying it. 

[01:00:16] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:00:16] Toliy: Right. Figure out why, and if you don't know why, then try to ask some questions.

[01:00:24] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:00:25] Toliy: You know? And, and don't do it until you enjoy it. 

[01:00:30] Eldar: Procrastinate as long as you can. 

[01:00:31] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:00:33] Eldar: The good thing is the soul. 

[01:00:35] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:00:36] Eldar: Does that well. Oh yeah. So everything is exactly where it should be. The program is right. Right. 

[01:00:42] Eldar: Oh yeah. It's definitely right. 

[01:00:44] Eldar: Let's end at that. You have any final thoughts?

[01:00:48] Eldar: Everyone's fucked. It's bad. It's bad. It's bad. Really? It's worse than what everyone thinks it is. Yeah. Well, that's a hundred percent. We knew that already. Yeah. Yeah. But we are more optimistic about this. No. Yeah. But it's bad. But by, by design, it's like it is what it is. And they gotta go through what they gotta go through.

[01:01:05] Eldar: No. Yeah. So what's wrong with that? 

[01:01:10] Toliy: No, there's nothing wrong with it. 

[01:01:12] Eldar: They're just trying to hack this bitch. You know what I mean? Yeah. But it's not hackable. You can't hack the system. 

[01:01:18] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. That, that's what it is. The, the, uh, pursuit of your attachments is your attempt at trying to hack things, correct?

[01:01:25] Toliy: Right. 

[01:01:26] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:01:26] Toliy: But like you're, you're, you're dealing with an unhackable program. 

[01:01:30] Eldar: That's right. That's a good thing. 

[01:01:33] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:01:34] Eldar: So get closer to God as soon as possible. 

[01:01:36] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. But you always think that you can hack it. 

[01:01:41] Eldar: Yeah. You know, well keep testing your theory. 

[01:01:44] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. With that, they, the, the, the continuous attempt that people have of testing their theory Yeah.

[01:01:52] Toliy: Is the proof that they think that they can hack something. 

[01:01:54] Eldar: That's right. Yeah. What theory are you gonna test? Many theories, people have a lot of theories, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Listen, I think that we said a lot. Yeah. That's why maybe we should finish with only one thing that's could be appropriate here, which is the most humbling thing.

[01:02:18] Eldar: All right. Thank you. Have a good night.