169. Breaking Free from our Invisible Gatekeepers

Are psychological and external barriers like family stress and past trauma gatekeeping our happiness? 

In this raw and introspective episode, Harris opens up about the stress and challenges he faces at home, particularly with his family dynamics and his father's overbearing approach to his finances. Joined by Eldar, Toliy, and Mike, the conversation dives deep into the concept of "invisible gatekeepers"—internal and external barriers like stress, anxiety, and family expectations that hold us back from personal growth. The group discusses Harris's desire to break free from his father's control by enlisting Mike's help with his finances, exploring themes of autonomy, learning through mistakes, and the tension between short-term pain and long-term development. This episode is a candid look at the messy, human process of self-improvement, offering listeners a relatable perspective on navigating family conflict and personal accountability.

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Chapters

• 0:07 Invisible Gatekeepers: Identifying Personal Barriers
• 1:37 The Program of Life: Nature, God, and Self-Actualization
• 17:06 Communication Challenges and Seeking Help
• 36:25 Philosophical Differences in Financial Approaches
• 48:04 Balancing Fun and Financial Responsibility
• 1:05:23 The Role of Honesty in Financial Growth
• 1:15:45 Meeting People Where They Are
• 1:41:59 Thick Skin and Self-Improvement
• 1:56:46 Harry Potter and the Professor Snape Analogy
• 2:18:52 The Goal of Doing the Right Thing
• 2:27:36 The Campaign for Martyrdom
• 2:57:32 The Burden of Upholding Truth

Transcript

[00:00:00] Dennis: On this week's episode

[00:00:02] Harris: My problems at home, problems with my family. My mom, my brother, all that. Yeah. Just a lot of stress. 

[00:00:07] Eldar: So you see that those things that we talked about, the invisible gatekeepers, you just name them. Every single person has a place the threshold. Right. Which they need to get to, to fuck up in order to finally say, oh, I'm a fuck up.

[00:00:21] Eldar: Mm-hmm. What is wrong with me? Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:00:23] Toliy: And then you start doing the work. I know that the person who's signing up to this or they're not aware of it at all, neither were you. But look where you're, man, you're signing up for Blind Trust. 

[00:00:35] Harris: I'm already in Blind Trust, man.

[00:00:43] Eldar: All right. Today's topic, we're gonna roll off the last previous episode, which you thought was pretty good, Mike. Yeah. You know, so if you didn't hear the previous episode, sorry to hear that, you know, uh, but I'm pretty sure you'll catch on whoever's listening onto what we're gonna talk about, because I think it's relevant to everyone, right?

[00:01:00] Eldar: What we concluded, right? Um, is that, well, the statement was, um, 

[00:01:08] Mike: invisible gatekeepers, or Yeah. Something about the invisible 

[00:01:13] Eldar: gatekeepers. Yeah. Right? Uh, and by by that we would've to explain to you Harris and totally what we meant, you know, which, 

[00:01:22] Toliy: which, which episode are you guys talking about? 

[00:01:25] Eldar: Between me and you?

[00:01:26] Eldar: One on one. 

[00:01:26] Toliy: That one, 

[00:01:27] Eldar: yeah. Okay. Right. Where me and you concluded, right. That we're a part, right, as humans, right. Part of this program. Right. And part of the program is like obviously who created this program, right? For the lack of better word or whatever. It could be nature, it could be God, it could be universe, it could be someone, it could be Big Bang, whoever, whatever you think about, right?

[00:01:49] Eldar: But it's a program nonetheless, right? It's, um, you know, we're humans. We breathe air, we drink water, we eat food, right? That's a program. We have other physical. There's law of gravity, there's other laws, right, that are here on this earth, right? Um, and the more we talk about self-improvement and stuff like that, right?

[00:02:08] Eldar: The more we discover some other programs that are installed in us, maybe more psychological ones, right? Um, and a lot of times when we talk about self-actualization, we've come to realize that there's a lot that goes into it. There's a lot of variables at play to be successful, to be self-actualized, to marry it all together and be a wholesome, good, happy person, right?

[00:02:28] Eldar: So with totally, when we had one-on-one conversation, we talked about that. At least he argued for the fact that maybe you can remind me totally too, but that ultimately right. The ultimate success of being a wholesome person of both mentally, physically, and outwardly, inwardly, right? Um, you need to address things that are essential, right?

[00:02:52] Eldar: Yeah. About yourself, let's just say. And some of the essential things that he talks about is probably the things that make us good people, right? Without that, you know, he argues that you might complete being successful in sales or some other, you know, uh, external thing, but ultimately you will not be internally satisfied to, to the fullest.

[00:03:14] Eldar: Mm. Okay. Without the mental part, right? That's why he's always says the quote, you can't get the money without getting the mental first, because there's gonna be a very specific, uh, recipe for disaster, let's just say. Right? So me and Mike, we, we talked about this. Mike really liked the topic, right? And we concluded that, um, a lot of the times, right?

[00:03:37] Eldar: Nothing's really holding us back from being able to focus on the things that totally was talking about, 

[00:03:42] Eldar: right? Mm-hmm. 

[00:03:43] Eldar: And try to self-actualize some of those things, right? Yeah. By be kind of, by be by becoming a kinder person, right? More thoughtful person. Person that, you know, uh, esteems virtue, right? Um.

[00:03:58] Eldar: But you know, we have these distractions, we have all these things that are happening to us, right? 

[00:04:02] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:04:03] Eldar: Um, and a lot of times they're rooted in our attachments, but, you know, why are we have these attachments? Because we have belief systems and stuff like that, and everything else kind of like, um, weave together that's holding us away from being in the moment focusing and actualizing things that really that, that we really want.

[00:04:21] Eldar: Right? Um, so the invisible gatekeepers, we wanted to discuss what are some of those things? Why do they exist? What are their purpose? Right? And, um, how can we be more mindful about them so we can then better ourselves, better our lives? Right? We concluded that a lot of times we have everything that is needed right in front of us all the time, 

[00:04:43] Eldar: right.

[00:04:44] Eldar: We have the resources to succeed. We do. But the invisible gatekeepers Yeah. In our heads 

[00:04:56] Eldar: are holding us hostage from accomplishing 

[00:04:59] Eldar: mm-hmm. 

[00:04:59] Eldar: Any of the good. 

[00:05:00] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:05:01] Eldar: Right. Obviously Harris is working on being more nice, right? Obviously. Right. But now he, for example, displayed in front of Jared. Right. A very specific quality.

[00:05:14] Eldar: Right. He did where that was not being nice. He was doing what he wanted to do some justice to, to Right. Get back or revenge on Tolli. Right. He also wanted to punish Jared. I didn't. Why? 'cause you wanted to hold him accountable. Yeah, of course. Right? For not coming. Mm-hmm. For saying something, but not, they're not doing right.

[00:05:33] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Um, so this is a small example of what we're trying to say, Harris here, you don't have to defend your character. Everyone knows your character. It's pretty shitty. Thank you. For now. I'm working on it, man. You're working on it now. That's the most important thing. Um. You don't have to defend your character there because the example is the example where you're given opportunities to be nice.

[00:05:57] Eldar: You're given the, the chance to, you know, uh, to see things for what they are. But his previous attachments or things that he's experienced, trauma, whatever it is mm-hmm. Are gonna hold him hostage from doing that. From being that. Right. Not extending the arm of compassion to Jared or forgiving. Totally.

[00:06:13] Eldar: Right? Mm-hmm. And moving on with that. Mm-hmm. He wanted to dig. 

[00:06:16] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:06:18] Eldar: And the digging part is the part that blinds us, right. Or the invisible gatekeepers mm-hmm. As we call them, you know, uh, that hold us away from, uh, 

[00:06:29] Eldar: from doing. Right. So there you go. What do you think guys? 

[00:06:35] Mike: I think Harris is ready for a nap after that.

[00:06:37] Eldar: Okay. 

[00:06:38] Mike: You want what? Two large 

[00:06:39] Toliy: pies. Two liters of Coke. Be good, man. Be good. I 

[00:06:46] Eldar: like that. Right? I've never heard anybody give like a, like a, the right thing. Yeah. In such a nasty way. You'd be good, man. That's better. 

[00:06:55] Harris: With a smile. 

[00:06:57] Eldar: What do you think, Harris, do you believe this? Do you understand what was said and, and how is it affecting you?

[00:07:04] Eldar: Besides the fact that I just brought an example. 

[00:07:06] Eldar: Oh shit. 

[00:07:08] Eldar: Don't use that 

[00:07:08] Harris: example. What the hell 

[00:07:11] Harris: man? I got a lot of things holding me 

[00:07:12] Harris: back. That's right. 

[00:07:13] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:07:15] Mike: Yeah, because the resources is here, right. I gave der like a very specific example about oh, Harris on our walk, Harris. Mm-hmm. And I want, uh, I don't know if I should remind you, but I'm going anyway and not to be mean.

[00:07:31] Mike: Oh shit. Oh shit. Like you usually are, but just to put it back on your radar, but, um, you called me Saturday. Mm-hmm. You wanted to go rock climbing? 

[00:07:42] Harris: Mm-hmm. 

[00:07:42] Mike: You know, if I recall correctly. Yeah. Oh, shit. And then you asked me for some advice. And I said, well, right now I'm in the gym, so I, you know, my head's not there, but let's talk about it on Tuesday when we're all back in the office.

[00:07:55] Mike: Yeah. I remember. Do you remember this? Remember? Yeah, I remember. And, um, we never did it. We never did it. Why? Because I forgot about it. Because then because of the invisible gatekeeper, let's just call it that. The same that we're gonna call that Yeah. We, 

[00:08:07] Harris: we can mention what it is. Okay. That's that's awesome.

[00:08:10] Harris: Sure. A real life examples was always great. So I called Mike because, you know, I wanted to go to the rock climbing gym. Yeah. But at this point, when I was on the phone with him, I looked at my account and I started thinking, is this a good idea to make a somewhat major investment? 

[00:08:27] Eldar: Huge investment. Yeah.

[00:08:28] Harris: When it would leave me with like $200 in the bank. 

[00:08:31] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:08:31] Harris: And with Bills coming up, insurance and phone bill and all this other shit. Yeah. Would it be a good idea to spend that money mm-hmm. And risk not having the money for the bills. Correct. And Mike said it might not be, you know, might, but I, I said, you know, 'cause my anxiety, he's like, okay, then don't do it.

[00:08:50] Harris: Don't make yourself crazy. That's right. Let's put it off Tuesday. 

[00:08:54] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:08:54] Harris: Put it off until next check. Okay. That's what I said. Right. Uh, and then I talked to Mike, right? Mm-hmm. Is, so Mike said you 

[00:09:01] Eldar: didn't talk to anymore after 

[00:09:02] Harris: that? No, we did. Oh. Because I brought up what I wanted to talk about a brief. Yeah.

[00:09:05] Harris: He's gonna tell you. Okay. So I have problems with money. We all know this. Mm-hmm. Right? I'm terrible at saving and all this other shit. Yeah. We created a bank account mm-hmm. So that Mike can help me monitor it and manage it. Okay. Because obviously my dad is a pain. Is a pain. Sure. Right. Uh, doesn't really help with that.

[00:09:28] Harris: Mm-hmm. But at the same time, he insists he's not looking at my account when he is really looking at it. Okay. Um, I asked Mike, how do we transfer everything over mm-hmm. To that account without. My dad getting pissed off. Right? Oh, you, you know, you transferred everything over, you know, this was not what we talked about and all this other shit.

[00:09:50] Harris: Mm-hmm. How do I do that without causing an altercation between me and my dad? That was the question. 

[00:09:56] Eldar: Yeah. You haven't gotten to it yet? No. Okay. I'm not, that's a different question. Yeah. And we can definitely get into it, 

[00:10:02] Harris: but that was 

[00:10:02] Harris: where it came from and Mike's like, well, well let's 

[00:10:04] Harris: wait until Tuesday.

[00:10:06] Harris: Well, no, Mike made an example that you 

[00:10:07] Eldar: guys didn't 

[00:10:09] Harris: actually meet on Tuesday. 

[00:10:10] Harris: Well, no, we were supposed to meet all of us. Well, what's the reason 

[00:10:13] Eldar: why we didn't meet 

[00:10:14] Harris: it? Kind of why? Because I have a terrible memory man. 

[00:10:19] Eldar: Okay. That's a small reason, right? Mm-hmm. Or maybe a cop out reason mm-hmm. As to why these things happen.

[00:10:26] Eldar: It could be, but uh, based on memory too. But a lot of the times you, the reason why you have a bad memory, especially to these things right now, is because you are filled, your memory is filled with all this other stuff. 

[00:10:37] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:10:38] Eldar: Right? Alright. Yeah. What are some things that you can, you can mention that is your mind is filled with 

[00:10:46] Harris: mini bagels?

[00:10:47] Harris: My problems at home. Okay. Number one, big problem. Okay. Which is probably another reason why I put it off. Correct. 'cause I don't want to face it. You don't wanna 

[00:10:55] Eldar: deal it. Deal with it. Yeah. Okay. 

[00:10:56] Harris: You know, um, problems with my family. 

[00:11:01] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:11:02] Harris: My mom, my brother, all that. 

[00:11:03] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:11:04] Eldar: Uh,

[00:11:08] Eldar: I don't know. Just a lot of stress. Correct. 

[00:11:11] Eldar: So you see that, those things that we talked about, the invisible gatekeepers, you just name them, right? Mm-hmm. Theyre there constantly. Mm-hmm. Right? And they obviously have different reasons as to why they affect you the way they do, based on the attachments that you hold to them.

[00:11:27] Eldar: You understand? Yeah. Depending on the anger that you hold towards them. Right. Um, and all the other stuff that's affecting you negatively, that's causing you stress. Therefore, there's no room for memory. Right. And if there is a little bit of room for memory Right. If you, even if you remembered that you had to do that with Mike on Tuesday, your fear to addressing it with your dad might be stronger than, than anything else.

[00:11:50] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Right. So bringing it up, it's like, oh, I don't wanna deal with it. You know? So there you go. That's where the truth I think, lies and those invisible gatekeepers that a hole us hostage from becoming successful or getting closer to our successes. 

[00:12:05] Eldar: Mm. 

[00:12:07] Eldar: Did we explain that correctly? Right. Yeah.

[00:12:11] Mike: There's many of them, but that's one of them 

[00:12:13] Eldar: for sure. And that's, I think that's what totally talked about mm-hmm. During our podcast where those things, right, not addressable things that we're not addressing properly, right? Mm-hmm. That make up our character good or bad. Mm-hmm. 

[00:12:24] Eldar: Right. 

[00:12:25] Eldar: Uh, because we don't address them, they're constantly weighing on us.

[00:12:28] Eldar: Mm-hmm. That sooner or later they're gonna peek their head and say, Hey, I'm still here. Okay, sure. You might be, you know, grinding sales or something else, or something else. Something else. 

[00:12:36] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:12:36] Eldar: Right. Uh, 

[00:12:39] Eldar: they hold you host so you can't do it in peace. Yeah. Right. Is it a big problem? Well, I think it's a, for 

[00:12:50] Mike: self-actualization, it's a, it's the biggest problem I think for self-actualization, living a happy life.

[00:12:57] Mike: Mm-hmm. You know, how about this take, 

[00:13:02] Eldar: well, it's probably probably gonna get an agreeance here. The reason why those things stress you out in the first place is because you have a wrong take on them. Right. You don't know how to deal with them. Mm-hmm. He doesn't know how to deal with his dad. Yeah. How to communicate with his dad.

[00:13:14] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:13:15] Eldar: Because he doesn't know how to properly communicate. He doesn't wanna address it, he wants to drag it along, you know, and all this other stuff. Right. But that's where the development actually is. Right. Um, because of the fact that he is not actually addressing those things mm-hmm. And successful in those things.

[00:13:32] Eldar: Right. Uh, he's not deserving of any other level on, up in any other, other, other areas. 

[00:13:38] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:13:40] Eldar: For sure, 

[00:13:40] Mike: for sure. 

[00:13:41] Eldar: Can that be also a thing? 

[00:13:44] Mike: I think so. 

[00:13:46] Eldar: Like good things are not supposed to come your way. Thank you. Not, no, I'm not saying that they won't. 

[00:13:51] Eldar: Mm. 

[00:13:52] Eldar: Right. There's a possibility that because of the fact that those things are so prevalent in your life that you need to figure those things out.

[00:14:00] Eldar: Um, just the way you are in 

[00:14:02] Eldar: general, it's gonna be an uphill battle every single time for you. Right. My life has been an entire uphill battle.

[00:14:15] Harris: I mean, it's just the way it is, you know? Well, sure. 

[00:14:18] Toliy: Yeah. But whose, whose life isn't. 

[00:14:20] Harris: Yeah. 

[00:14:22] Harris: I've been digging myself out of the hole for the 

[00:14:24] Harris: past. 

[00:14:26] Toliy: I don't think you've been digging yourself out of a hole. I think you've been digging yourself a, a larger hole for a long time. And the reason why you've been good at what you're doing, I think, is that, um, there's an illusion that you're digging yourself out of the hole, but you're, you're digging yourself a, a larger hole, which is why you continue to do it.

[00:14:50] Eldar: You like digging, digging in illusional holes. Fuck. Yeah. 

[00:14:56] Eldar: Fine. He's just training one. Uh, no, but 

[00:14:59] Harris: it, it's, 

[00:14:59] Eldar: yeah, it's gonna look like a tophill battle for anyone who's, uh, who's doing the work or trying to do the work or sees that the work ahead mm-hmm. That there is work ahead. He understands 

[00:15:10] Toliy: I got work to do.

[00:15:11] Toliy: No, but like anyone that's like participating in life Yeah. Like, it's an uphill battle. Who do you speak to that's like, yeah. At peace and like, you know. Mm-hmm. Like, like, like, yeah. Like I've, uh.

[00:15:25] Toliy: There's maybe like, like one or two people, but you can definitely 

[00:15:27] Eldar: say if you were to compare. Right. Some people are a little bit more in turmoil than others. 

[00:15:32] Toliy: Yes. But none, nonetheless, everyone is still going up against the current. No one is like, not many people are smooth, smooth sailing, uh, flowing with the current Yeah.

[00:15:41] Toliy: Right. Like everyone has their own problems. Everyone's living out their own perceptions. Mm-hmm. Everyone's like, uh, succeeding in some ways and failing in others. So Yeah. 

[00:15:52] Eldar: Some people catch those waves for the moment and crash. Yeah. Right. Some people prolong those, mo those waves and ride a little bit longer.

[00:15:59] Eldar: That's right. 

[00:16:00] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:16:06] Eldar: So, Paris. Hmm. Are we onto something? I don't know. You don't know. Do you feel like this is a problem? Sure, it is. Does 

[00:16:19] Eldar: it shed any light on how to go about things going forward? Honestly, yeah. 

[00:16:25] Mike: No. 

[00:16:26] Eldar: All right. I 

[00:16:27] Mike: like that. That was honest. That is honest. At least you're paying attention. 

[00:16:30] Harris: Yeah. This will not, you know, this doesn't, the shit with my dad is not gonna improve by just realizing, 'cause I've been knowing.

[00:16:38] Harris: Right. That's holding me back. 

[00:16:40] Eldar: No, no, no, no, no. For sure, for sure. No, no. That's definitely not gonna, just realizing is one thing, right? Yeah. But then implementing strategies like, and you guys left off on Yeah. But 

[00:16:47] Harris: we've made clear Right. That I'm not ready to implement serious strategies. Correct. Right.

[00:16:51] Harris: Because I don't know how to 

[00:16:53] Eldar: Yeah. To correct you. You don't know to how to talk to 'em. That's why the communication part, you have to learn and then implement then to see new results. Right. And that's what you guys left off on. Right. You guys wanna learn how to communicate properly. Mm-hmm. By asking him, Hey dad.

[00:17:08] Eldar: Right. And we can discuss this for sure. Right? Yeah. For you, you say, Hey dad, um, is it okay, right? Mm-hmm. If I do this right, asking him for provision almost. Right. Obviously he's gonna say, why. You know? Mm-hmm. And then you have to 

[00:17:20] Harris: have a good answer. A good, he's probably gonna say it's a terrible idea. Well, uh, and I'm basically gonna say, right, listen, you know, Mike already handles a lot of financial stuff for me.

[00:17:29] Harris: Mm-hmm. 

[00:17:31] Harris: You know? Well, no, I, I'd be careful with introducing Mike as a party. Um, no, but my dad knows 

[00:17:37] Harris: Right. You already, you already introduced Mike. Mike. No, I introduced Mike and Yeah, dad's, my dad's like, are you doing your taxes? I said, well, Mike's helping me with our taxes. Yeah. He's very good at this number.

[00:17:46] Harris: Shit. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And he goes, oh, okay. That's nice. Alright, sure. So, 

[00:17:52] Eldar: so you kind of introduced him already? Yeah. Okay. Okay. The problem with then, right. Which, what we're trying to do right now is rip a bandaid off by taking out, well, I'm 

[00:18:01] Harris: basically telling him, no offense, but you're no good at this shit.

[00:18:05] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:18:06] Harris: But at the same time, he, I don't think his role was to help with the finances, right? Mm-hmm. He doesn't even want me to know. He's looking at the account. Mm. He'll be like, yeah, I just went into my account and I happen to see yours. You know what I'm saying? Like on No, but how, 

[00:18:21] Toliy: how does, like transferring to a new account, like how, how does that help you with finances?

[00:18:27] Toliy: Well, I can have Mike, well, Mike, 

[00:18:28] Eldar: it's 

[00:18:28] Toliy: gonna be other Mike's supervision. Yeah. Mike get access to that other account. He has 

[00:18:32] Harris: access 

[00:18:33] Toliy: to the, what do you mean he created it? He created it. No, but don't saying to to the current one. No, the current 

[00:18:38] Eldar: one would be transferred over. I want to transfer. No. Know what 

[00:18:40] Toliy: I'm saying?

[00:18:41] Toliy: Is that, like, what would be the difference if the money's in this new account versus the money's in the current account? But Mike has access to the current account. 

[00:18:47] Eldar: Oh, no. You can't have access to the current account. That's why's shared with, with his dad. Yeah. But he has access to it, right? Yeah. But like I'm, yeah, I'm sure that if his dad finds out, he'd be uncomfortable 

[00:18:56] Harris: with that if my dad finds out.

[00:18:57] Harris: Yeah. And also, yeah. No, 

[00:18:59] Toliy: no, no. But it's not like Mike would get access to his dad's account. He would, right? No, he doesn't see his dad. Shit. No way. The whole 

[00:19:06] Harris: point I wanted to do this was to. 

[00:19:10] Toliy: Take, take his dad's eyes off the account. So it'll be very hard to give Any re reasons that don't involve that. No.

[00:19:16] Toliy: As to why the, this is like, uh, 

[00:19:18] Harris: the whole point was take my dad's eyes off and put Mikes on it. Okay. Is to replace his eyes completely. Okay. 

[00:19:25] Mike: Fine. He feels like the way that his dad is looking on it's like oppressive. Oppressive. Yeah. And Okay. Uncle, uncle Mike is not so oppressive. Maybe. 

[00:19:33] Eldar: Well, for sure. I don't think Mike's role is gonna be your dad's role here.

[00:19:36] Eldar: Right. And I think that you probably might make more mistakes with Mike versus your dad. 

[00:19:41] Harris: Yeah. But I feel Mike can help me fix those mistakes better than my dad can. Sure. She But you can go through those mistakes better with your mike. With Mike probably. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:19:51] Harris: It does Mike, our shit. Right.

[00:19:53] Harris: Mike is not gonna, our, our communication is not gonna turn into an argument over finances. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Why not? Why? If my dad sees something he doesn't like mm-hmm. He turns it into an aggressive Yeah. Ambush. Yeah. Ambush. Yeah. And I hear it for the entire night. 

[00:20:08] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:20:09] Harris: And then you can't sleep 

[00:20:11] Harris: No. Or jerk 

[00:20:11] Eldar: off.

[00:20:12] Harris: Well, no. My dad jerk off. My dad would walk away. Right. Yeah. You can't And then you then 10 minutes later, right away. No, no. My dad would walk away. I'm like, okay, it's over. Yeah. Think again. Yeah. Here he comes again. Dig Back 

[00:20:24] Eldar: in 

[00:20:24] Harris: round two. 

[00:20:25] Eldar: Yeah. Round two. Okay. How many rounds does he have in him? 

[00:20:30] Harris: What's wrong with you, man?

[00:20:31] Harris: What To pump you. What, what? With the nonsense. I dunno. He can go for a while, dude. No, but if Mike has 

[00:20:38] Toliy: access to this other account Yeah. Can, can't he like win twice then? 

[00:20:42] Eldar: What does that mean? 

[00:20:42] Toliy: Like. If Mike has access to this first account. Yeah. Right. And he helps him with the finances. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And it's working well.

[00:20:49] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:20:50] Toliy: Now his dad also has access to those things. Yeah. His dad doesn't have to know that Mike is the one that's helping him. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Then his dad is also happy with what he sees, for example, and you sneaky bugger. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. 

[00:21:00] Eldar: I'll tell, I see where he is going and I think that his intentions is good, but I don't think he thought it through.

[00:21:05] Eldar: He wants my dad to be like, 

[00:21:06] Harris: okay, lemme get off of him because 

[00:21:09] Harris: he's saving Yeah. 

[00:21:10] Harris: And all this other shit. No, no, 

[00:21:11] Harris: no. Here's, there's the problem. Totally. 

[00:21:13] Eldar: If you knew his dad's actual goals Yeah. That when Met will have particular attitudes, I would say absolutely. Go that route. Okay. We don't know his dad, we don't know his expectations.

[00:21:25] Eldar: We don't know what he actually wants. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. It might be one of those things where we're doing everything right, but it's still not good enough. It's still not good enough. It's still not good enough. Okay. So until you know those thresholds, I'll absolutely take a negative person out of it. The fuck?

[00:21:41] Eldar: I don't wanna hear 

[00:21:42] Toliy: it. Negative. Oh, negative person out of the, uh, out 

[00:21:44] Eldar: of this thing. Yeah. Absolutely. I don't want this fucking energy or this, this shit. Mm-hmm. For what? Mm-hmm. He already has nothing. Is not encouraging. This is nothing. Things 

[00:21:50] Mike: that he, uh, bumps heads on him. Yeah. This would be one less thing, I think.

[00:21:53] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:21:53] Eldar: If we knew that, let's just say he saves a thousand dollars and he buys three months worth of peace, right? Mm-hmm. And then that, that continues to accumulate. Right. And it's guaranteed. We can say, okay, see. Right. Yeah. What you can't see or hear, you know, 

[00:22:13] Harris: my out of sight. Another, another thing about this, right, is we know my dad doesn't agree me with me working here, right?

[00:22:19] Harris: Mm-hmm. So that's another thing, right? If I say, Hey, dad. You know, I wanna transfer stuff over to this account. You know, Mike's gonna help me. He's automatically gonna be, he doesn't agree with me working here already. Mm-hmm. Let alone me taking another party from that position. Well, sure. Yeah. That's why 

[00:22:38] Eldar: I was gonna tell you also, by bringing in Mike, uh, you have to understand that you're creating a very specific character in the, in your dad's mind, right?

[00:22:47] Eldar: Mm-hmm. One thing, you were traveling with us hanging out with us. We already stole his son, you know what I mean? You have another new, new dad. 

[00:22:54] Harris: Yeah. You know what I mean? I know. Yo, I know. And he put, he, he shows it, right? Yeah. Well, it was great seeing you for the night, you know what I'm saying? Like Yeah.

[00:23:00] Harris: Yeah. 

[00:23:01] Eldar: Now, right now, the most intimate relationship that you do guys have, right. Especially the one that he holds over you, the finances, 

[00:23:09] Mike: you know what I mean? Yeah. It's very important to him. 

[00:23:10] Eldar: It's very important to him. Now you're bringing this mysterious unicorn named Mike. You know what I mean? Who's supposed to be good and helping you and like making you happy mm-hmm.

[00:23:20] Eldar: Because he can't make you happy. Right. When it comes to finances, how is he gonna feel about that? 

[00:23:27] Harris: Am my tell To back up my shit and get before? I think he enjoys, I think he enjoys, uh, having control over you. I think he enjoys when I screw up. Right? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. It gives him, uh, I don't wanna say meaning, right?

[00:23:42] Harris: Yeah. It gives him like, okay, I can teach a lesson here. Okay. I can still do this. Right? 

[00:23:48] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 

[00:23:50] Harris: He can't do that with my sister. 

[00:23:52] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:23:53] Harris: Okay. He, he enjoys kind of like I told you so, or all this other shit. Yeah. Oh, okay. So he lives kind of wants to kind a teachable moment and like, 

[00:24:05] Eldar: Hey, like I told you, gives validity to all his arguments previously.

[00:24:09] Eldar: Yeah. Okay. 

[00:24:10] Harris: You know, I told you. Mm-hmm. He enjoys the, I told him so much. But are we saying 

[00:24:14] Toliy: here that his dad is having unreasonable requests or like, uh, blindly, I'm gonna say yes. 

[00:24:23] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:24:23] Toliy: But, but we're also saying that Harris is doing the wrong things. No, 

[00:24:27] Eldar: no, we're not. We're who told you this? We're, we're not.

[00:24:30] Eldar: Who told you? I don't, I I don't disagree. The fact that he should spend the $800 one in one night on the strip club, yo, he, his dad still going on about that. I agree with that. 

[00:24:38] Mike: Yeah. Me 

[00:24:38] Mike: too. 

[00:24:39] Eldar: But like, I'm gonna be honest with you, you Right. He should 

[00:24:41] Harris: spend 800 hold, hold to learn. Of course you're saying Of course.

[00:24:45] Harris: I, I'm gonna mention something about my dad that's not his dad's approach. I, I'm gonna mention something about my dad Yeah. And how he learned when he was younger. Yeah. And he made it clear to me. Yeah. My grandfather would tell him all the same shit he's telling me. Yeah. My dad didn't listen to him. Yeah.

[00:25:01] Harris: He had to to get himself into debt. Mm-hmm. Had three different credit cards. Yeah. Overdrawn on that shit. Mm-hmm. Spending the money from his own business. Yeah. Where my grandfather's like, you know, at the end of the year he goes, I hope you were saving. Mm-hmm. You know, half that money and you weren't mm-hmm.

[00:25:18] Harris: Going out spending it. He goes, no. Why the fuck would I do that? Mm-hmm. He goes, because tax time. Yeah. Tax time it's coming. You have to pay that shit. And my dad's like, oh, I don't know what you're talking about. Then the accountant came. Mm-hmm. And he said, Hey, you owe 20 grand. Yeah. Where's the money? And my dad gave the money and uh, he really didn't have anything else in the bank account.

[00:25:42] Harris: Mm-hmm. He was in credit card debt. My grandfather told him, it's your one bailout. I'm never doing it again. 

[00:25:47] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:25:48] Harris: My grandfather paid it. At that point, my dad had to dig a hole to learn his lesson. Yeah. To scrape himself out of that hole. Yeah. My dad doesn't want me going through that. Why not? Totally because he thinks he can turn me away.

[00:26:03] Harris: Mm-hmm. Instead of him not listening to his dad, he doesn't want the same things for me. Sounds 

[00:26:07] Harris: like to, sounds like toll's approach, dude. 

[00:26:08] Harris: Yeah. That sounds like your dad. You might have a lot in common with my dad actually. You're all, you're all miserable buggers, man. But yeah. You're all miserable fuckers, 

[00:26:21] Mike: you know?

[00:26:21] Mike: Yeah. You're all miserable fuckers, you know? But that's a example of, uh, the invisible, it is ingenious, not 

[00:26:29] Toliy: No, but like, in both cases, like, like you're saying that okay, you're completely fine with him going out and spending $8,800 in one night 

[00:26:38] Harris: Yeah. 

[00:26:38] Toliy: To learn a, to, to learn a lesson. Yeah. And I did learn a very hard 

[00:26:42] Harris: lesson.

[00:26:42] Harris: Yeah. Don't go to the strip club with crispy alone, man. Yeah. Okay. But I'm not gonna ream him for it. He's 

[00:26:49] Mike: not gonna, he's not gonna learn anything with his diet. He's only gonna learn resentment and anger. Mm-hmm. With this approach. Right. Yeah. I'm still gonna be that. I told you so guy, 

[00:26:58] Eldar: no matter what, it's, it's gonna be an I told you so guy.

[00:27:00] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:27:01] Eldar: But the accountability and responsibility grows on my end, ex ex by, by a lot versus what his dad does. You know what I mean? 

[00:27:10] Toliy: Okay. Yo, but in his mind, like, okay, so I understand that from your perspective. Yeah. In his perspective, what does he think is happening? Who is happening? Who in Harris's perspective?

[00:27:21] Toliy: Like, it doesn't matter what, what's happening? Like what I 

[00:27:24] Eldar: what's his perception about it? No, no, 

[00:27:27] Toliy: no. I'm saying, I'm wondering like, what's his perception about the situation? 

[00:27:30] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:27:31] Toliy: Who's Harris's? Yeah. Well, you can ask him, but it really doesn't matter. He wants to escape his dad's, um, eye. He will, right? He, yeah.

[00:27:39] Toliy: He wants to escape his. Dad's eye to not just to get caught 

[00:27:42] Eldar: on, just get, just to get, get caught in our eye. 

[00:27:45] Toliy: Yes. Mm-hmm. 

[00:27:45] Eldar: Correct. Well, listen, see as that way, the way I look at it, right? No, he, in the moment, he's seeing what, because he's not gonna have an argument with Mike. This is true. He's not gonna have an argument with Mike.

[00:27:56] Eldar: Well, Mike's gonna be, uh, is a wall. Right? His dad is fluid wall, right? Yeah. Mike's gonna be a wall that's gonna say, Hey, this is, this is the situation. You know what's gonna happen? He's gonna go into his room or his, his whatever, wherever he is at. Yeah. Right? And he is gonna be like, wow, I'm an idiot. What the fuck's wrong with me?

[00:28:13] Eldar: You 

[00:28:13] Harris: know? Like, I, you have to point the finger at, you saw when, when I spent 

[00:28:16] Toliy: that, Mike's not a bad guy here, but how would he not be the bad guy? 

[00:28:19] Eldar: What do you mean? 

[00:28:20] Toliy: Like, why He's not gonna be the bad guy, but why wouldn't, like, why wouldn't Harris view Mike as a bad guy? 

[00:28:24] Eldar: Because Mike's not gonna be reaming him for every decision he makes.

[00:28:28] Eldar: He's just gonna be giving him explanation. 

[00:28:30] Toliy: Explanation, yeah. Yeah. But he's not gonna be happy 

[00:28:33] Eldar: with it. No. Yeah, but that's not on Mike. Yeah. But 

[00:28:36] Toliy: also, yeah, but that, yeah, but like, there's, like, he, he's the one that like, feels a particular way. 

[00:28:41] Eldar: Yeah. And he should be feeling towards himself that way. So Mike 

[00:28:44] Toliy: is gonna give him the truth and the reality of what happen.

[00:28:46] Toliy: He's just gonna give, give him the mirror, right? Yeah. He's just gonna give him the mirror. Yeah. But people can still be upset at that. Well, let me, let me point something wrong, right? He's not 

[00:28:53] Eldar: gonna point the finger at Mike. Totally. Right. Now he's pointing the finger at dad. That's why. Well, that's his reasons why, right?

[00:28:59] Eldar: But he's the one who's like, oh, my dad is dreaming me here, he's dreaming me. He's constantly on top of me, constantly doing this, this, and this, this and the third. Right. That's actually what's stunting his growth, his independence. No, 

[00:29:10] Toliy: no. Sure. But, but I, but, but I'm saying is that like I'm, I'm, I'm not saying that his dad's approach is okay.

[00:29:16] Toliy: I is, is, is. Right. But I'm saying is that like, are the points that his dad is bringing up, like, like, does the problem, does, does Harris disagree with what his dad is saying? Is what I'm asking? 

[00:29:26] Harris: Go ahead. The problem with my dad is right Mike, right. Mike will bring up the situation once. Correct. Like, Hey, this is what's happening.

[00:29:36] Harris: Mm-hmm. We need to come up with a plan, or you need to realize what you're doing here. Yeah. Mike's not gonna come knock on my thing every five minutes and go, Hey, do you understand what I'm saying? I'm not trying to, you know, make you upset or anything. 

[00:29:48] Harris: I'm just trying to get it across your fucking head, you know?

[00:29:51] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:29:51] Harris: And he goes, yeah, I know you want this conversation to end. You know, like, and then it come in five minutes fucking later. 

[00:29:58] Eldar: Yeah. No, Paris. I know that the situation that we're comparing to is you're going to get a lot of more peace of mind here. Mm-hmm. And peace of mind. But it's also when it comes to like.

[00:30:08] Eldar: Mike's not gonna force the lesson. I know the lesson would be forced upon you based on the design that the way this whole shit is made up. Like 

[00:30:16] Harris: when I did that shit at the strip club, right? Yeah. I was fucked up. Yeah. I looked at my bank account the next day. Yeah. $800 and I knew I fucked up. 

[00:30:25] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:30:26] Harris: Right. I don't 

[00:30:26] Eldar: need to be told yet again.

[00:30:27] Eldar: That, and I, my dad 

[00:30:28] Harris: comes to me, he goes 10 times, 800 fucking dollars. You know, all this shit. Yeah. I, I was like, dad, I knew I fucked up. I was, dude. Did you, but did 

[00:30:35] Eldar: you tell him like, yo dad, do you know how that pussy actually fucking smelled, smelled like heaven? What if you told him that? Well, what you fucking stay with, man?

[00:30:44] Eldar: I'm just asking. You know, you gotta play with, play along with him. Like, yo, that, you know, that pussy was $800 worth, man. Yeah. 

[00:30:49] Harris: Buthuh. I was like, you know, I knew I fucked up. Yeah. I told him this, dad. I know. I fucked up. Yeah. I got really fucked up. This is how they, this is how they get their way, right?

[00:30:57] Harris: Mm-hmm. They get you drinks and of course they get to talk, they know the fucking, the Yeah. The sims. Yeah. So I was like, okay, yeah. You know, I said, dad, I know I fucked up. He goes, you know, but he kept going 800 fucking dollars at a strip club. He told Peggy this. Oh fuck. Did you tell, tell Peggy 

[00:31:13] Eldar: that you, you came with the cream back home.

[00:31:15] Harris: What's wrong with 

[00:31:15] Harris: you? 

[00:31:16] Harris: What? In your, in your pants? What's wrong? She would've, she would've gave you the pass for that? 

[00:31:20] Harris: No, she wouldn't have. Man. She might go, 

[00:31:22] Eldar: let 

[00:31:22] Harris: me see. But you know, uh, it's another thing I don't like. Yeah. Another thing I don't like, discusses my fucking business with my girlfriend, bro. 

[00:31:29] Eldar: No, that's another one.

[00:31:30] Eldar: Yeah. Like 

[00:31:31] Harris: whatever happened to our father. Yeah. Relationship, son relationship where 

[00:31:35] Eldar: you don't fucking, oh, you don't understand how, what my dad does to me. He calls me and goes, Hey, don't tell mom how much we just paid for fixing the Tesla. You know what I mean? Even though, you know Yeah. It's, it's expensive and stuff like that.

[00:31:45] Eldar: And I'm not gonna snitch. I won't, like, if he tells me that, I won't tell her, you know what mean? Well, my, my dad does, you know, my dad does the same shit. What I'm saying, what I'm saying is that he tells me this and I won't snitch on him. I won't tell mom. Yeah. If mom ask him, I'm like, ma, dad said not to tell you.

[00:31:57] Eldar: Go, go fish it out here. You know what I mean? Fuck. And she's cool with that. She understands. You know what I mean? But I think she fished it out me way before because like, I, I didn't know that I had to keep a secret, you know? So already she already knew, so she didn't give a fuck. But, um, but when shit hits the fan on my side.

[00:32:12] Eldar: Okay. My dad will throw me under the bus with my mom every single time. 

[00:32:17] Harris: Peggy's 

[00:32:17] Eldar: not my mother. I know if you talk my mother same shit here. Yeah. Right. But 

[00:32:21] Harris: it'd be one thing that he talks to my mom. Right? Yeah. He talks to his girlfriend. 

[00:32:25] Eldar: Yeah. He, well, they don't talk. Your mom, your mom and your dad doesn't really talk like that about you.

[00:32:29] Eldar: No. About you. No. They're still best 

[00:32:30] Harris: friends, dude. Oh, okay. Best friends mom. Yeah. My dad consider as her his best friend. What the fuck? Like, they were a good relationship. You know? She still sends them nudies and shit. My, no, my, my dad thought the divorce was a good idea because he wanted to keep whatever friendship they had still alive.

[00:32:45] Harris: Okay. On good terms. Yeah. They had me, you know, so it kept everything alive. Him and my mom talk. Yeah. Wishes. Is my mom a happy birthday? Sensory birthday, gifts, Christmas gifts, Hanukah gifts. Still, just in case. Yeah. In case dad, Peggy decides to leave her dad when my mom was having a hard time. Yeah.

[00:33:02] Harris: Throughout my childhood. Yeah. He still paid the rent. He still all did all this shit. Okay. That's nice. You know? And it's like, but he's not talking to my mother. He's talking to his girlfriend. Mm-hmm. Which, you know, that's fucked up. Wait, 

[00:33:13] Toliy: so, so the main difference will be that he will still do the BS that he's doing.

[00:33:18] Toliy: Correct. Just, Mike's not gonna tell him every day, I have to learn the fucking way. It's a, the path of 

[00:33:23] Mike: victory. No, but this is a, you had this experience with other hundreds of times. I had this experience all hundreds of times. Yeah. We came to other for advice. He gave us the advice that we actually wanted, not the advice that we, you know, I gave both Mike, I always give both what I mean.

[00:33:37] Mike: Yeah. He gave us us the advice that we really wanted to hear, and we went and we committed this sin. Okay. You know, and then we came back to El and he's like, well, told you. Okay. You had this move before with el. Yeah. Did you get mad at El for, for giving you the, 

[00:33:52] Eldar: sometimes he tries to, but it's not justified.

[00:33:54] Eldar: He knows. It's like, ah, he should have fucking tell me. You know? Yeah. And now he tries to that before for sure. You know, like, fish it out of me. You know what I mean? Because maybe I'm sensing a certain level of attachment that I'm operating outta that attachment versus something else. Totally. Totally. 

[00:34:07] Toliy: No, now, now I have a, I, I have a fear of, of, of, of, uh, advice.

[00:34:11] Toliy: Like, uh, no, like of going, trying it out, fear. I don't want that advice. And I have a fear of it. And, and, and if, like, now, now I'm like, uh, I like, I wanna make sure I'm getting sure what I need versus what I want. But I have to prove to him that like, like I know I have to prove to him. Yeah. But I can kind 

[00:34:27] Harris: of tell when Ldar doesn't agree with something.

[00:34:30] Harris: No, no. You have 

[00:34:31] Toliy: no, you, your center of telling is can go, do go, 

[00:34:34] Harris: go do it. Go ahead. Come back to That's the easy one. That's the easy 

[00:34:37] Toliy: one. That's the easy come back me. That's, there's a million things playing out right now behind the scenes. So do you not agree? 

[00:34:44] Harris: You don't agree with me giving control? I a hundred percent agree with this.

[00:34:48] Harris: So Mike, I'm talking to Totally. Oh, because totally. I'm still, 

[00:34:51] Toliy: no, I, no, I, no, no, I don't not not agree with it. Um, 

[00:34:56] Eldar: he has a hard time, uh, seeing the distinction that we're painting here. I actually arguing that you will learn a lot faster and harder. Mm-hmm. With Mike? Yes. Like I view that gonna be more and promotion of that painful.

[00:35:08] Toliy: Yeah. Like it's gonna be more painful with, but the 

[00:35:10] Mike: thing is he's actually has a potential to learn. Correct. Whereas his dad, he has no potential. He only has buildup, resentment, anger. Yes. No, for sure. Everything. I was just wondering 

[00:35:19] Toliy: how he like, like, like the way that he's portraying is that like, Hey, I'm gonna give my count to Mike and it's gonna be like more or less, like much more smooth sailing and like, like, like I'm saying that like, this is what he might feel like, uh, I'm already fucking up with my 

[00:35:32] Harris: finances.

[00:35:33] Harris: Right? Yeah. 

[00:35:33] Mike: He doesn't know what we're talking 

[00:35:35] Eldar: about. The second route. Yes. The the long cut. Yes. No, but you gotta understand that he understands that he's getting autonomy, right? Yeah. He's getting the autonomy to try to do the right thing. Mm-hmm. To by himself. Well, the way I look at it with guidance, right.

[00:35:47] Eldar: The way and the guidance is gonna be lax the 

[00:35:49] Harris: way I look at it, right? Mm-hmm. Is I've given you a lot of my life in your guys' hands, right? Yeah. I I I'm trying to better my life. Yeah. You guys are helping me with a lot of stuff, right? Yeah. Why not give you, how do I put it? Not, you know, full control. Yeah.

[00:36:04] Toliy: Yeah. But I don't think that that's why you want Mike to have access to the accountant to manage. So he thinks the intention is, is different. Yeah. The intention two thinks that you have like a, the, the bigger the, when I came 

[00:36:14] Harris: to Mike, when I came to Mike, I said, Mike, I know I'm bad with my finances. Yeah.

[00:36:19] Harris: I'd like you to help me. Yeah. Because in my eyes, right? Yeah. There's no other per better person to help me with my finance Yeah. Than the finance guy. Okay. Right. 

[00:36:28] Eldar: Yeah. I think I listen, I, I love taking shit for face value Harris, right? Yes. To see that's a different philosophies that we have. I agree with this and I'm rocking with this.

[00:36:39] Eldar: I'm okay with you lying to my face right now with this. Well, 

[00:36:42] Harris: technically I'm not lying. Well, I don't, when I opened, I don't care. When I opened the account totally cares. When I opened the account, me and my had a goal. Right? Yeah. We were gonna put the tax return in that account. Yeah. To save. Yeah. That money.

[00:36:54] Harris: Yeah. Keep it away from my dad. Right. Because you, which you spent half off in your mind, but I wasn't gonna do it unless I got approval from Mike. But there were some things that you were spending on already. Yeah. Well, asked Mike the way things turned out. No, I asked Mike, I asked Mike, you the next 

[00:37:10] Harris: in fucking line, bro.

[00:37:11] Harris: I asked Mike. Right. Chris? Soon I said, could I spend some of that money? 

[00:37:16] Toliy: No, it's not the mu it, it, it, it's, uh, the, the world will not give you what you don't deserve. Yes. 

[00:37:19] Harris: Correct. Well, that's the bush. 

[00:37:21] Toliy: Yeah. I asked Mike Uhhuh, 

[00:37:23] Harris: I was like, Hey, can I buy this, this, this? Yeah. Just some of the money. You wanted a fucking gold chain.

[00:37:28] Harris: Yeah. Are you kidding me? You didn't 

[00:37:30] Eldar: know that I asked Mike. No. Yeah. There's gonna be a lot of things that are gonna be, I asked Mike the Tony's radar now nobody's gonna tell Tony. 'cause they, they already labeled Tony as the bad guy. The bad father asked Mike, what the fuck, man, Mike? 

[00:37:42] Harris: I asked Mike, I asked Mike, I said, can I do, can I spend this on this?

[00:37:45] Harris: Yeah. And he goes, no, that money's not to be touched. 

[00:37:48] Mike: Yeah, yeah. No, I didn't say that. I said, what do you think do you think is a good idea of, of our plan that we have? Correct. Well, he said, that's 

[00:37:54] Eldar: not our plan. Well, yeah. He's reminding you of the plan, his job's, the whole point. Why, why I wanna do you this.

[00:38:00] Eldar: Right. I think Mike is gonna play the point point. My dad doesn't 

[00:38:02] Harris: want me to save the money on my own. Right. Yeah. My dad wants me to transfer the money to him. Mm-hmm. And he saves it. Yeah. Right. Anything I want to do. Right? Yeah. Say I have money saved up enough money. You know, I wanna take a little bit of that out.

[00:38:17] Harris: Yeah. You know, go on vacation with you guys, a nice little thing. Yeah. You know, still have money saved up. Just wanna take a little bit of out go on vacation. Yeah. No, that's not how it works. The whole reason we're doing this is you could save, get your, you know, save as much money as you can so that way when you move out, you have enough for a down payment.

[00:38:34] Harris: All this other shit. Mm-hmm. All good stuff. All good stuff. Yeah. But no, you can't enjoy your life. That's right. You can't. Yeah. You can't go on vacation for the next three years. You gotta be saving and all this other shit. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, there's no enjoying your life. Listen, 

[00:38:49] Eldar: she might have an argument right.

[00:38:51] Eldar: You might have an argument, but at the end of the day, I think having autonomy, right? Having your own, uh, what is it called? Decision making process. I don't have decision making process. I know, but I know you don't have it right now, but, and you're not doing it so well, but having it and falling as much as possible, as fast as possible will get you to that place.

[00:39:11] Eldar: Yes. 

[00:39:13] Harris: The one thing I can say is my dad can't see my credit card shit. Mm-hmm. He doesn't have access to that. Yeah. If he would've saw my credit card, shit, he would've lost his shit and he'd lose his shit. Yeah. Because my dad was like, oh, you know, don't be spending the credit card, just pay your bills on it.

[00:39:31] Harris: All this other shit. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:39:33] Mike: He doesn't have access to it though. No, he doesn't. Oh, okay. Yeah. No. Like the credit card is not me. We, we know, 

[00:39:39] Eldar: we know, we know like what we're dealing with. Yeah. You know, we know the criminal. Right. Um, when we see one. So in this case, like we can definitely point certain in stuff out, but at the end of the day, you are gonna pull the trigger every single time we're gonna be okay with it.

[00:39:55] Harris: Yeah. 

[00:39:55] Eldar: Because we're gonna see the lessons behind what's actually going on. Yes. 

[00:39:58] Harris: But I see you guys are helping me and we have come to the conclusion. 

[00:40:02] Eldar: Are you clear? Because totally doesn't think that you actually clear what I'm saying right now. There's zero chance that he is clear on this. I understand you guys are good, Harris.

[00:40:10] Eldar: We're gonna be okay with you doing the wrong thing for yourself at the time when you think that like, 

[00:40:16] Harris: uh, you know, like, yes. But when I come and I say, Hey, how can I better this? Yeah. You guys will give me actual advice, right? No, but a lot of times you won't come 

[00:40:24] Eldar: like that. Mm-hmm. Sometimes you'll come come and you won't 

[00:40:27] Toliy: even agree with the, 

[00:40:28] Eldar: sometimes you'll come, you know what, I'll remind you of the moment, the casino nano when you mm-hmm.

[00:40:33] Eldar: When you traded the nano money. Yeah. And I fucked up. You remember? That's the way you're gonna come. 

[00:40:38] Harris: But it's one way I might actually learn my dad. That is correct. My dad, I agree. Just gets in on my case. Case. He doesn't wait for me to come to get his help. 

[00:40:46] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:40:46] Harris: With him. That's right. His dad was going on and on and on.

[00:40:50] Harris: Yeah. I know, I know, I know the magic. Yeah. My dad gave advice. Yeah. My grandfather gave advice, but eventually my grandfather exited the scenario. Yeah. Until my dad came crawling back. That's right. Saying, I fucked up. That's right. Is there any way you can help me? Yeah. And my grandfather bailed him out and let him know I'm not doing this again.

[00:41:07] Harris: That's right. This is a one time bailout. 

[00:41:08] Eldar: Yeah. And that's how you learn. You see, he needed to get to that place. Mm-hmm. We don't know how far you need to go. Right. Yeah. A lot of times, toll's advice in the way he structures it. Right. He doesn't want you to go to that place just like your dad. He doesn't want you to get there.

[00:41:20] Eldar: No, that's But you have a place, he has a place, every single person has a place, the threshold. Yeah. Right. Which they need to get to Right. To fuck up in order to finally say, oh, I'm a fuck up. Mm-hmm. What is wrong with me? Yeah. And then you start doing the work 

[00:41:36] Toliy: and I'll here 

[00:41:36] Eldar: with 

[00:41:37] Toliy: that. The question is, is that do you, do you wanna know before you fuck up?

[00:41:41] Toliy: Or, or do you wanna fuck up and then find out and, and, and, and I'm, and I'm not going bias on any side here. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm just wondering how does he feel? Yeah, I know why you're asking that question. I 

[00:41:54] Mike: think we're gonna say, right now you have $5,000 in debt, let's just say Yeah. As a number. Okay. Your owe 5,000, that's all your outstanding debts, Harrison.

[00:42:02] Mike: Mm-hmm. Paying attention. If you go with our route, you may get to 25. Yes. You may get to even 50. Correct It. I don't know if you get a hundred, but Yeah, we'll go with you to a hundred. But, but, 

[00:42:12] Toliy: but a hundred would be 

[00:42:13] Mike: cool. Yeah. What do you mean? Cool? Because it would be a sick time guarantee. What we're saying is that that's give, listen to what Mike is saying.

[00:42:22] Mike: Give you the chance to go as far as you want to go with making those decisions. We're gonna allow you, we're not gonna nag you, we're not gonna bother you. We're gonna allow you to make more mistakes up until the point that you can't make 'em, until the bank say, yo, you can't borrow any more money. You have no credit.

[00:42:40] Mike: You have no more credit. You, you bankrupt. Yeah. So that's what we're that's what I'm, that's what we're, we're trying to make sure you understand. Right now you're a five. Get on the other side. That's me and Mike's side. 

[00:42:51] Mike: Yeah. We ready to go to 50? 

[00:42:53] Toliy: No, no, no. But no, no. But I'm not asking it because I agree with that other side elder.

[00:42:57] Toliy: I know. I, I, I, I'm not, I know, I, I also agree that yeah, that like, yes, you, you go to 50 and I, and I would have, I think we would all have the time of our lives if, if we hit a hundred, because then, then there'll be some plane trips involved, I think. What do you mean? A plane trip from sick trips? Yeah. There there'll be some sick shit happening.

[00:43:15] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. If, if, if we get to a hundred from like a, like a fun perspective, right. This also 

[00:43:19] Eldar: means that you'll be very dumb. 

[00:43:21] Toliy: Yeah. Yes. Um, um, I'm, I'm just asking 'cause I wanna know how does a person feel that they, that, like what do they actually want? Ver versus like, yeah. What we're saying is this, to me, this, this, this, to me, other proves like, where does a person want and what do they understand what's happening?

[00:43:36] Toliy: I want to 

[00:43:37] Harris: get to the point where I can save money, but I know you're not just gonna let me get to that a hundred mark without letting me know, Hey, you did this. Right. You're gonna bring to my attention. Yeah. That you fucked up here. Yeah. But, but you're not gonna nag me. Yeah. But you, you might not, but that 

[00:43:52] Eldar: person that comes to me and wants to go hang out and party or whatever, 

[00:43:55] Harris: right.

[00:43:55] Harris: I'm gonna 

[00:43:56] Eldar: support him. 

[00:43:57] Harris: Yes. I'm gonna encourage him. But Mike, I'm gonna say, right. Mike doesn't, oh, I, the thing is 

[00:44:02] Eldar: with us, right? Mm-hmm. We, we follow a specific philosophy here, okay? Mm-hmm. Don't teach, well not ask. 

[00:44:09] Harris: Well, he does, but Mike right. When I go to purchase something, right. Uhhuh or I bring it to his attention that, Hey, I'm, I'm gonna go do this.

[00:44:16] Harris: Yeah. He'll bring to my attention. He, he will ask me. He goes, do you think that's a good idea? 

[00:44:20] Mike: Yeah. But you're not gonna hear me though. Yeah. You're not always gonna hear me. That's right. Yeah. Do you remember on the 

[00:44:25] Toliy: casino night when I told you not to go? Yeah. It's a bad idea. And what did you do In what, what did you do anyway?

[00:44:31] Toliy: Yeah. I went, you did it? Hell, right in the head. And I was where, and I was where 

[00:44:36] Eldar: I was like, you should go. 

[00:44:37] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Because 

[00:44:38] Eldar: I saw 

[00:44:39] Toliy: the 

[00:44:39] Eldar: attachment. 

[00:44:40] Toliy: Yeah. And it needed to play out. And this is gonna happen over and over again. Well, 

[00:44:44] Harris: I'm, I'm willing to face the music, uhhuh. I'm willing to, if it. Um, helps my down the road development, but also financial.

[00:44:54] Harris: Yeah. I, I see it can help my financials better, but I also see it can take less also confrontation away from my debt 

[00:45:06] Eldar: 100%. Right now I don't ag i, I don't believe that confrontations and those types of, um, discussions, quote unquote discussions or talks that you guys have is productive. 

[00:45:16] Toliy: Yeah. I don't, uh, yeah, I don't think so either.

[00:45:18] Eldar: Yeah. I think that, you know, the potential for growth, especially in this type of environment, is astronomical when it comes to, you know, some of the old school classic things that people do, 

[00:45:29] Toliy: but it's probably not gonna lead to more savings. Correct? 

[00:45:32] Eldar: That is 

[00:45:32] Toliy: correct. 

[00:45:33] Eldar: Yes. In the, in the, and that, that's the thing, right?

[00:45:36] Eldar: It's not gonna amount to more dollar signs. Yes. But it'll amount to more development less. 

[00:45:41] Toliy: Yes. Do, do you, you understand that you are not gonna save more money? 

[00:45:45] Harris: I think I might. 

[00:45:46] Toliy: Why? 

[00:45:47] Eldar: It's 

[00:45:47] Toliy: okay to be 

[00:45:48] Eldar: under that impression. Okay. It's okay because you don't actually foresee or understand some of the variables that we've been discussing during this podcast or during our development.

[00:45:58] Eldar: Right. Uh, and throughout all these years that we've seen, you know what I mean? We've been doing this for a little bit longer, so we know that you're gonna be against those variables and you're gonna crack. We won't crack. You will crack and we will cheer you on as you crack. Yes. Which is fine. 

[00:46:13] Toliy: Do you, do you, do you understand that?

[00:46:16] Toliy: Yeah. You're gonna get su more support to fuck up more, 

[00:46:21] Eldar: but eventually it has to it. That's right. It has to give, we everyone has their own threshold. You have it too. We just, I 

[00:46:29] Harris: know eventually I'm gonna be crawling to you guys like, Hey, I need help. I fucked up majorly. Yeah, because guess what? I already fucked up.

[00:46:36] Harris: You know what I'm gonna point to? 

[00:46:37] Eldar: You know what I'm gonna point to, huh? The wall. Mm-hmm. What does the wall have? 

[00:46:43] Eldar: What does the wall, 

[00:46:44] Eldar: what does your wall have? Right now you don't have that same wall. 

[00:46:47] Eldar: What does your wall in that room had?

[00:46:51] Harris: Potential for growth. Easy wins. Yeah. That's it. 

[00:46:55] Eldar: Right now, my wall doesn't have, we never bought it up. Yeah. But I'm saying that it's gonna be that. I'm gonna point back to that. I'm gonna say, Hey, this is where you win. This is what you should be you focusing on. 

[00:47:06] Toliy: And what are you gonna say at that time? 

[00:47:09] Eldar: You can't say anything.

[00:47:10] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:47:11] Eldar: You have to zip it. Right. I'm gonna be there. I told you so Guy. Mike's gonna be there. I told you so then Totally should 

[00:47:16] Harris: be pleased about this idea because it's a quicker fuck 

[00:47:19] Eldar: up to become See, totally has a different school. No, no, no, but other, but I don't have, he's been, he's been 

[00:47:25] Toliy: coming over on our side for a little bit.

[00:47:27] Toliy: Yeah. No, no. I, I, I have a different school, but, uh, like in, in, in, in some things. But I, I mean, I completely agree with this move. Right. But to, to me, uh, I know that the person who's signing up to this, you just want them to be aware of what they're signing up for. They're not aware of it at all. Neither were you.

[00:47:45] Toliy: But look where you're, man,

[00:47:50] Harris: look where you're, 

[00:47:51] Toliy: you see? Yeah. So then you're, you're signing up for Blind Trust. 

[00:47:55] Harris: I'm already in Blind Trust, man. 

[00:47:57] Toliy: No, I saying 

[00:47:58] Eldar: no. No chance. I don't what saying is No, that's an insult. Because that's an insult towards Harris. 'cause I think Harris is a very paranoid person. Oh. You know what I mean? 

[00:48:06] Harris: Yo, do you guys not see my anxiety some of these fucking times?

[00:48:09] Harris: Yeah. Where I'm like a hundred percent. I dunno if I can find, he doesn't wanna 

[00:48:12] Eldar: do this. Like, he's like, he's cautious and shit. You know what I mean? I think he's probably more anxious than totally. No, no, no. But what the decision making I'm my anxiety fucking man. Man. 

[00:48:21] Eldar: Tell you 

[00:48:21] Toliy: one thing. Yeah. The person that doesn't like one particular thing, because they're consciously feeling a pain for it.

[00:48:28] Toliy: Uhhuh will go sign themself up to something that they have. They, that they don't know this pain yet. That's correct. So because of that, they view that like, but that's growth. Yes. That's bad. No, but also I think, and this is good, but that's growth, but they don't actually know what's happening. 

[00:48:41] Mike: Yeah. Maybe not con obviously not conscious, but what's playing out is, uh, the person knows exactly what.

[00:48:47] Mike: What they, uh, what they deserve is like a again, like a soul thing. Yeah. You know what's happening? He's signing up for this. Yeah. Even though he know he doesn't understand the suffering that's gonna come. Correct. But he knows that he deserves it. But something tells him that this is the right act. What?

[00:49:02] Mike: Let me, which is the 

[00:49:02] Toliy: phenomenon. Let, let me Hold on, hold on. Time out. I, I like, I don't think that he's somehow knows that this is the right path. No. He, I'm gonna, you he's in a comparison. You're saying that 

[00:49:11] Eldar: you went through it. I want to be like you. This is what he's saying. He respects this, respects it.

[00:49:16] Eldar: Respect. No, but how could he wanna 

[00:49:17] Toliy: be like me? You just said it. Yeah. But you, why, why? Yeah. Why would you want be like me? Why would you want to be like him 

[00:49:21] Eldar: and 

[00:49:21] Toliy: learn the same way? 

[00:49:22] Harris: Because your wife seems a lot hell of a lot better man. You 

[00:49:25] Toliy: go. But then if that was true, why don't you listen to us? 

[00:49:29] Harris: She is '

[00:49:29] Toliy: cause 

[00:49:29] Mike: of the invisible, 

[00:49:30] Harris: uh, she's listening.

[00:49:31] Harris: Listen, the, you know why I'm doing this right, is the way I look at it. Right? You brought it to my attention. Right. My family's not fucking helping me with anything. Right. You guys, I can see you're trying to help. Right? I'm trying to better myself. Yeah, but that's wrong with totally said. He is not listening to us.

[00:49:45] Harris: I agree. That's completely, uh, I'm trying to better myself. Uh, I'm trying to focus on the attitude more than anything. Right. But the way I look at it is I'm doing this already all with you guys, right? Yeah. Why not give you a chance? Why? No. Why? Don't just put everything in the basket, man. 

[00:50:02] Toliy: Yeah. No, no. But then he wouldn't be able to jump over my argument about his, like, he could still get the help from Mike while his dad has access to the account.

[00:50:10] Toliy: No, no. 

[00:50:12] Harris: I'm trying to take away 

[00:50:13] Toliy: that 

[00:50:13] Harris: stress. No, 

[00:50:14] Toliy: no, no. But I'm saying that like, if I 

[00:50:16] Harris: take away some of that stress, right? My life at home. Home. But why would you, why would you have No, but 

[00:50:21] Toliy: why would you have stress if your finance situation's gonna be better with Mike? 

[00:50:27] Eldar: He just generally, I would think that if you start asking him more and more questions Yeah.

[00:50:30] Eldar: About the relationship that he has with his dad of this Yeah. He's gonna want to remove that completely and rightfully so. He should. Because it's also like why, why, why commingle stuff with an individual who don't get it? It's a right to your own, like privacy. No. Yeah, 

[00:50:43] Toliy: no, for sure. But I'm saying that like the reasons that he has to do to do it.

[00:50:47] Toliy: Yeah. Like he has plenty of good reasons. No, but I'm saying that, that like, they're not gonna be the reasons that you're talking about. No, but he's not trying to get away from his dad. So who could run a But these a 

[00:50:56] Mike: basic, right? Yeah. But these are basic right reasons. You think he's trying to get away from his dad who could run a muck more?

[00:51:00] Mike: Yes. I don't, I don't think so. Yes. I don't agree. No. 

[00:51:03] Toliy: Well, you No, but that's what's gonna happen. Well, what's gonna happen with the person's intention is different. Yes, Mike. It's an exciting time. But that off my back, I thought totally. Right. No, no, no, no, 

[00:51:11] Eldar: no, no, no, no. I think that you underestimate the fact that this conversation is being had and the things that are being said Yeah.

[00:51:17] Eldar: Are being taken for face value. Like you don't understand the power that that connects. 

[00:51:21] Toliy: Wait, wait, wait. Say, say, say that again. 

[00:51:24] Eldar: Okay. I don't care what, what his underlying intentions behind this is. I don't care if Norm brought these speakers in here and, and the speakers don't work, I don't care. Mm-hmm.

[00:51:32] Eldar: Yes. I gave you the $200. I know what this is happening. Mm-hmm. Yes. I know the engagement that I'm getting into. Mm-hmm. Either these speakers are gonna be bomb, like you just described them for me. Yeah. Right. You say, yo, these are bomb speakers. Yeah. Here's $200. You know, or you are lying to, to my face. It's $200 for me if I don't ever see your snakey ass because you snake me just now for the $200.

[00:51:54] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Bro, I got off easy. Yes. Cheap. Yes. I don't care what the underlying thing is. I don't care if he's lying to me about Yes. These speakers. 

[00:52:01] Toliy: Yes. Mm-hmm. You understand this? Yes. Yes. That understand the win is the win. Every single time I thought totally would be, I win every 

[00:52:08] Harris: single time. Yo, if this is the way you're gonna say, right?

[00:52:11] Harris: Hold on. If this, 

[00:52:11] Toliy: no, no. In that example, 100%. It's the 

[00:52:13] Eldar: same example here. I just wanna say, I don't care if he tells me that I want to get my finances better to me and Mike's face, and then that's not his real intention. I don't give a fuck. 100%. 'cause I'm always coming back to this. Yes. At the end of the day, remember I'm gonna be that.

[00:52:26] Eldar: I told you so, guy. Yes. A hundred X's dad. Yes. Lemme, I know this. Remember, I know that. That's it. Yes. Mm-hmm. Who cares? I know that 

[00:52:32] Harris: at the end of the day. Right? Yeah. I want to get my financials in shape. I know. 'cause I look at things. Yeah. Like, uh, you know, like certain trips you guys have taken and I come to the realization, right.

[00:52:45] Harris: So I don't have finances for that. Yeah. You know, uh, we worked hard toward to get here and I wanna work. Yeah. To that point. That's where I, if I wanted to fucking go to That's right. Europe or something. Right? Yeah. I can go. That's right. I'm at this point, I'm never, if I continue on with my dad, right? Yeah.

[00:53:02] Harris: But, uh, at the same time, right. I thought totally would be fucking thrilled for this. Right. Because he wants me at a certain point where if I get to that point where I'm like, you know that in debt, right? Mm-hmm. And I say, guys, I really fucked up. I need help getting out of this. Yeah. I could see fucking totally jumping for fucking joy.

[00:53:20] Harris: Yeah. Like, holy shit, he's asking Yeah. Like, the fuck man. Okay. He says, I know this is gonna happen. Right? Yeah. At the end of the day, totally wanted me to get to a point where I'm like, all right, you know, I fucked up. The only way I'm getting out of it is, but the guys to tell me what to do. 

[00:53:37] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:53:39] Harris: But at the end of the day, I wanna fucking save money.

[00:53:41] Harris: Because I see, first of all, I'm never gonna be able to get my own place. Yeah. If I don't save. Okay. How about I'm not gonna be able to improve my life. 

[00:53:49] Toliy: See, do you, okay. I understand what you're talking about, Al there, but, but you also hear what he's saying. Correct? I hear loud, clear. All right. All right.

[00:53:55] Toliy: Fine. 

[00:53:56] Harris: Fine. Yeah. But I think the best possible chance for me to get out of certain holes Yeah. Is with you guys, you guys are already helping me improve my life. Yeah. Because of the approach that you have. 

[00:54:07] Eldar: You know what I mean? Yeah, sure. He might not be saying it consciously, but he likes it. That's why he's sticking, that's why he's sticking with us.

[00:54:14] Eldar: He's trying with us, giving his keys to us. You know what I mean? Saying, yo, I need help. I know I'm in good hands, because it feels a lot better here than over there. It's, it's a fucking no brainer. Sure, 

[00:54:26] Toliy: yeah. 

[00:54:27] Eldar: Yeah. Despite the fact that, you know, I know Mike knows, he might not know that the low moments are gonna be low and they're gonna fucking hurt, but if the low moments, but he's gonna be ripe for those moments, he's 

[00:54:40] Mike: gonna be more primed to learn that That's right.

[00:54:42] Mike: Whether's. That there's no chance to learning, it sounds like. No, 

[00:54:44] Toliy: y yeah, no, for sure. Yeah. And, and I, I think it comes down to the, the phase value, um, conversation here is 50,000 is cheap, bro. Yeah. That it's better to Yeah. That like Yeah. Like you're taking someone's desires and wishes at face value. Yeah.

[00:54:59] Toliy: Right. But like, I like, for, for me, I always find it interesting when I hear the testimony from the other, like, and, and, and, and, and, and to preface this, like, I definitely think it'll be better, like of overall for the reasons that you were just Yeah. Um, um, saying what I'm saying is that, and you've heard these reasons plenty of time.

[00:55:17] Toliy: Yes. But I'm saying is that like, I, I, I, I also, at the same time, I find it interesting for the testimony as to like, like, like why he's saying what he wants to do. Like, oh, he sees vacations. Oh, he wants to save for this, or he wants to go to that. Yeah. Right. And, and I know that those things are tied to some of these things, but these are 

[00:55:34] Eldar: important 

[00:55:34] Toliy: factors.

[00:55:35] Mike: Yes. For him, yes. But. But I can't, 

[00:55:41] Harris: like right now, if I keep in with not being able to save Yeah. I don't see, you know, a future, there's no way, you know, I can one day start a family or I can go forward with my life. Yeah. Completely. Not having money. Yeah. You know, I'm not trying to be one of 'em deadbeat as olds, you know what I'm saying?

[00:56:00] Harris: Yeah. Like Mike, for the rest of my life. Well, Mike's not a deadbeat, you know, Mike's got money. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But I don't see a future if I continue having a hundred, $200 in the bank. Yeah, sure. Like how can I continue like that? You see, it's a very straightforward thing. You know, Krispy keeps saying, right, let's go to the strip club.

[00:56:20] Harris: I'm not going to the strip club with you alone anymore. Yeah. He goes, why? I said, because you know, certain people are right. You know, you supposed to, you know, watch my back. Be like, yo, what are you doing? Yeah. Why you keep going to the at TM? Why you keep swiping that car? Yeah. I said, you just go with the flow, man.

[00:56:38] Harris: Crispy 

[00:56:39] Toliy: spar. He, he knows Harris is gonna go swipe. Yes. 

[00:56:42] Harris: He knows I'm gonna swipe, but he doesn't stop me like, yo, you spend enough, let's get outta here. Well, why do he stop 

[00:56:46] Toliy: you if you're sponsoring the uh, yeah. Event. He ain't spending shit. He's a cheap, what do you mean he's 

[00:56:50] Harris: spending, he's not spending as much.

[00:56:52] Harris: He says, I don't spend your dollars. Not as much as me. Nowhere 

[00:56:54] Toliy: near, 

[00:56:55] Harris: he spent me two, 200. Oh. He spent a hundred just throwing the fucking single. You see? Come 

[00:57:00] Toliy: on. 

[00:57:00] Harris: Yeah. It's irrelevant. Why 

[00:57:01] Toliy: would he stop the person who's financing the fund? Yeah. 

[00:57:04] Harris: I'm not paying for him. I pay, everything that I paid for was for me.

[00:57:08] Harris: You said you paid for him too? Yeah. Don't lie. Well, well, but he did pay me back. But, uh, most of the money went to like the VIP rooms. Mm-hmm. Which, to be honest, it wasn't shit. Yeah. They gave us champagne. We get it. 

[00:57:21] Eldar: We hear you. There's a different battle that's going on here. You know, I. 

[00:57:27] Harris: But like I already learned from that.

[00:57:29] Harris: I'm not good with the strip clubs unless I have like people with me that can be like, yo, 

[00:57:34] Eldar: good. Hopefully you did. Hopefully you did. And I'm obviously other lessons and stuff like that, but yeah. Ho, 

[00:57:39] Harris: hopefully like that was a learning point where like you wake up the next morning after being drunk. Yeah.

[00:57:44] Harris: You look at your account, there's only a hundred bucks in there. You know, another attachment 

[00:57:48] Eldar: that you have that you going on into Bermuda trip, you want to see the goddess? 

[00:57:52] Harris: Mm-hmm. The goddess charges goddess money. Yeah. I, I've come conclusion it might not be a good idea. Okay, 

[00:57:58] Eldar: there 

[00:57:58] Harris: you go. Yeah. So, but 

[00:57:59] Eldar: like, we're not gonna say like, obviously you buzzing about it like you love your goddess and you wanna have time for the record.

[00:58:04] Toliy: Tom did say he'll do it for half the price. Oh fuck you man. Are you serious? He 

[00:58:08] Eldar: too sick. Fuck man. What? Wait. It's a memorial day special, bro. What's wrong with you man? What? What's wrong with you? Oh wait, can we throw in some more money for him to dress up? 

[00:58:16] Toliy: Yes. What is wrong with you and Tom? Fuck and Tom Use his scream on his hands off than he has soft hands.

[00:58:22] Toliy: He's sick. Fuck. Soft hands if you close. Weird bro. You won't even know. Turn off the light. Why? You gotta make everything gay, bro. 

[00:58:29] Eldar: Listen, we're giving you an option half off right 

[00:58:31] Harris: now if you take it right now. Oh, fuck you. Yeah, 

[00:58:33] Toliy: Tom has long hair too. Come on. 

[00:58:35] Eldar: Oh fuck. Tom does have nice hair. Oh, fuck you. Yeah, you could up, it's getting gray so you better hurry up.

[00:58:39] Eldar: You guys are sick. 

[00:58:40] Harris: Fuck. 

[00:58:43] Eldar: Alright. Yeah, no, the big thing, I think totally at the end of the day. Yeah, yeah. Uh, you don't like to ride the face value train, right? 

[00:58:52] Toliy: Take your things from face value. So I like, I I I like to be a passenger on the face value train. You like to be a pessimist on the paranoid train.

[00:58:58] Toliy: A pessimist 

[00:58:59] Eldar: on the paranoid train. Yeah. You are paranoid like, oh, this motherfucker has ill intentions here. You know what I mean? No, I think that you wanna be paranoid, I think 

[00:59:05] Mike: like, uh, maybe. Are you not convinced that this is the only train that seems to be No, it's not the only train for him. 

[00:59:15] Toliy: No, no, no.

[00:59:16] Toliy: Is there other trains that get to the same industry? No. I know. I like no. I know that you cannot, like there's, there's no warnings that I can give to Harris right now. Mm-hmm. That will stop him from being Harris. Sure. I know that. Mm-hmm. Right. So like, but you still try. Oh, and, and he's working on it. Hey.

[00:59:33] Toliy: Yeah. Be nice. He is. That's definitely something I'm, I'm working on. But, but, but yeah. In my mind, like there's definitely a million alarms going off right now that, that like what he's saying? Yes. Like he doesn't know what he's signing up for. Like it's gonna be like, like Yeah. What, what He's thinking like, well, okay, how about lemme tell you this.

[00:59:51] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:59:51] Eldar: Okay. I think Toley has ha has a little bit of a gripe on the journey that he went 

[00:59:57] Harris: on when he had to learn. But did he not feel that he is in a better place because of it? He does, but it's very hard sometimes to acknowledge and being grateful. 

[01:00:07] Harris: So it's exactly what my, my dad's doing. Mm-hmm. Because in a way my grandfather stepped back, okay, let my dad fuck up.

[01:00:16] Harris: Like I told him. 

[01:00:17] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:00:17] Harris: I gave my advice. Mm-hmm. It's time to see where he goes with it. Yeah. And then my dad came calling him back for a bailout because my dad every time mentions this scenario. Yeah. Where I had to go crawl to my dad and your dad made, and I had to say, dad, you were right. See, I fucked up.

[01:00:32] Harris: He's you a bitter, he's a little bit bitter probably because, and now he's trying to stop me from going through the same shit, so it's 

[01:00:38] Eldar: totally, but, but, but what your dad can do, can't do is to point the finger at his dad and say that it was your fault. 

[01:00:47] Harris: No. Because it's 

[01:00:47] Eldar: my 

[01:00:47] Harris: dad's 

[01:00:48] Eldar: fault and he knows that.

[01:00:48] Eldar: There you go. And I think that's an important lesson here, that we learn how to point the finger it ourselves and say that the reason why my world is the way it is, is not because of the world. No. It's because of me. I came here on my own accord. I made the choices, and now I have to dig myself out. 

[01:01:08] Harris: And that's not the only time I wanna state that my dad fucked up my 

[01:01:12] Harris: grandfather.

[01:01:12] Harris: Listen, 

[01:01:12] Harris: let's not roll your dad here. I'm just saying, I don't care about 

[01:01:14] Harris: your dad's. I'm just saying my, 

[01:01:15] Harris: my 

[01:01:15] Harris: grandfather let him do the fuckups. Right? Sure. My grandfather told him, invest in your twenties. Mm-hmm. My dad, fuck no. I'm gonna go fucking have a fun party. Yeah. Listen, we're telling you the same thing.

[01:01:28] Harris: Yeah. My dad hit his forties. He starts thinking, what am I gonna do? Your 

[01:01:32] Eldar: mind is not ripe yet. Yeah. My dad hits his forties. 

[01:01:35] Harris: He goes, what am I gonna do? I have no retirement, no nothing. Yeah. He starts investing for retirement. Yeah. Comes to conclusion. I'm gonna be working until I'm 70. Yeah. Fine. 

[01:01:45] Eldar: You know, you could tell your dad, listen dad, the truth of the matter is, um, there's no point in me saving for retirement.

[01:01:51] Eldar: You know why? 'cause the history shows that none of my family members, actual family members lived past 45. What's wrong with you man? I'm planning to croak before 45. Yeah. My dad, leave me the fuck alone. Let me spend $800 in the strip club. Yeah. What argument will you have then? Will you tell him to shut?

[01:02:07] Eldar: Will you shut, will you shut the person up? See, I, I told my, oh, will they 

[01:02:10] Harris: guarantee you that you will live past 45? I told my dad, hold on, hold on. Time out. Time out. That's a very hard karma to 

[01:02:16] Harris: have. I told my dad. Right. I told, I brought up like, Hey, you know, I'm not living past 50. I, I brought it up like none of the men and my dad's so family.

[01:02:25] Harris: Mm-hmm. I live past 50. He goes, no, no, I don't believe that. You know, you have your mother's rais, you know all this shit. Yeah. Yeah. You're gonna be fine. John, on the other hand. Yeah. 

[01:02:35] Eldar: I like that. 

[01:02:36] Harris: Yeah. And uh, I'm like, dad, I can say the same thing to fucking you. Right? Yeah. My dad has in his mind that he's not living past 70.

[01:02:43] Harris: Mm-hmm. Because every man in his family Yeah. Has aneurysms. Yeah. And we were just talking about 

[01:02:47] Eldar: this. Yeah, 

[01:02:48] Harris: yeah. I said, but your mother is 90 years old turning so he wants to 

[01:02:51] Eldar: apply to himself but doesn't wanna apply to you. 

[01:02:54] Harris: Yeah. Okay. 

[01:02:55] Eldar: Oh, vice versa. 

[01:02:57] Harris: So, so what are we saying, Harris? My dad doesn't have any fucking advice.

[01:03:00] Harris: 'cause he does the complete opposite. 

[01:03:02] Eldar: There you go. 

[01:03:04] Harris: What are we 

[01:03:04] Eldar: gonna do? Are we onto something? Harris totally is still waving the warning signs. Warning, warning Harris, don't go here, bro. There are sharks here in this water. Yeah. 

[01:03:19] Harris: I I see that. He doesn't want me giving you guys folk control. 

[01:03:23] Eldar: Well, no, no. It's not about that.

[01:03:24] Eldar: That's, I don't, no, that's, he doesn't have that attachment. No, no, no. He doesn't want me, his, his, his making the mistake, his taking is more in an intellectual, uh, viewpoint. You know what I mean? He don't give a fuck what you do at the end of the day. Mm-hmm. I don't think totally has attachment to how your life turns out, nor do I.

[01:03:39] Eldar: Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Obviously, I'd like for you to succeed, yada, yada. You know what I mean? I'd like to figure out ways for you to succeed. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? That's, that's interesting. What's what interesting to me, what he thinks about like what approach, actually he's trying to weigh out which approach works and why.

[01:03:53] Eldar: Right. And can you Right. Knowing that there's this approach, there's this approach, there's this approach. Choose the right one. And if not, if none of these are up to your, maybe forte can create a new one. Right. Can we create a new one? 

[01:04:10] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:04:11] Eldar: You know what I mean? Like I always said, I like, I don't know, like, I've always leaned on this, don't teach when not asked.

[01:04:16] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:04:17] Eldar: Right. Let, let's play out the attachments that we have. Let's go through those, you know, those mistakes together. 

[01:04:23] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:04:24] Eldar: And when you come back, like, okay, I realize like, yo, my attachment was incorrect. Now I'm receptive to advice. I'd like to learn and let's learn together and then be better. I've never seen anything else.

[01:04:34] Eldar: If you have some kind of suggestion to come up with a new one, I'd love to hear it. Me? You're asking me? No. Anyone. 

[01:04:40] Toliy: Oh, no. Anyone, right? No. I, I definitely don't like, but, um, yeah, in eternally, like I know that, yeah. Like I, I, I know that he cannot learn through intellectual stimulation. There's no way. Mm-hmm.

[01:04:55] Toliy: There's no way that he, what do you mean? What is this? What, what this, what does that mean? Well, like, no, no, I'm saying like, right, right now. Like, you can't, like, you can't warn, warn like, warn him of things. Mm-hmm. And, and like him. Take a different path. Like he, he's gonna take like the path that he's gonna take.

[01:05:11] Toliy: Yeah. We're gonna take what he's saying for face val value. Yeah. And go on that ride, right? Yeah. Paris, we're okay with you lying to us. 

[01:05:18] Eldar: Yes. Uh, we, we would actually prefer for you rely as much as possible. Mm-hmm. Do you understand this or No? We're not like other people out there like, oh, he's a liar. No.

[01:05:27] Eldar: Lie to us as much as possible. We'll play along as much as possible, and then we're gonna see who's gonna turn out or who's gonna get what they want and how they're gonna get it. We like to observe the process. 

[01:05:38] Toliy: Yeah. In your dad's case, he does not want you to lie to he, like, he's trying to do everything possible so that he's not lied to.

[01:05:46] Eldar: But your dad doesn't have a polished enough approach for you not to. Yes. And yes, I'm gonna tell you. And because his dad doesn't have the polished approach, 

[01:05:57] Eldar: he's creating a liar and I'm not,

[01:06:02] Eldar: yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm 

[01:06:04] Eldar: promoting honesty. Yeah. Maybe not in the moment. Yeah. But in the long run. Long term, yeah. Long term. In the long 

[01:06:09] Toliy: term, 

[01:06:10] Eldar: yeah. He's going to, I'm gonna embody the virtue that I'm talking about. 

[01:06:13] Toliy: Yes. Whether you 

[01:06:14] Eldar: like it or not, for sure. You're gonna embody it regardless, because I'm stripping away all the stuff that you're carrying in order for your soul to then shine through.

[01:06:22] Eldar: And the soul is, like we talked about, has virtue in it. Built in. 

[01:06:26] Toliy: No, for sure. For sure. That's it. But I'm saying is that the, like the person's reason for doing things and like, like I, I like, I don't know if it's because like their soul knows that it's the right thing. I think that like they have particular ideals or ideas as to like how it's gonna look, what's gonna be better, like, like how it's gonna feel.

[01:06:46] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Like, and they want that, that better scenario. They want to escape the pain. 

[01:06:50] Mike: No. But also right now, this is a constant phenomenon, what you're describing when you're in the philosophy bubble. 

[01:06:57] Eldar: Mm-hmm. You know? Yeah. 

[01:06:59] Mike: You are always gonna say the right thing. You now go outside. Agreed. I agree with Mike as well.

[01:07:06] Mike: Yeah, that's a, that's a proven thing. You're, you in a bubble, bro. Right now. He's using his brain. Yeah. We're all using our brain now. Yeah. He's in the moment. We're outside. We're all running amuck. 

[01:07:12] Toliy: Yeah, no, no, but like in his answer, I like, like, um, he's giving you an answer because he's able to, he believe this now.

[01:07:19] Toliy: Yeah. And he's actually believes this. No, no, but what he's saying like, doesn't make sense either. 

[01:07:24] Mike: Why 

[01:07:24] Toliy: not? Like, like the reasons of what he's saying. Like they're, they're not, they're, they're not actually like the actual reasons as to like what's gonna happen and how it's gonna happen and like, why he wants to do it.

[01:07:34] Toliy: What is he, what is he saying that is not, that's not, that's confusing to you? Or like, that's not 

[01:07:38] Eldar: true. 

[01:07:39] Toliy: Well, like for, for off, right? Mm-hmm. Um, like the number one driver is what here? 

[01:07:46] Eldar: Pain 

[01:07:46] Toliy: that off the back, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. That's number one. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Right? Agreed. This like, and then the number two is what?

[01:07:54] Toliy: Save money. Save money. Yeah. Right? Mm-hmm. Save money to do what? Uh, build a better life. So go on vacations. Yeah. Whatever, whatever, whatever. Like that kind of stuff. Retire, whatever. Yeah. Right. But like for him to do, like, but like, um, like, um, um, his dad is not the one that's like stopping him from doing that.

[01:08:15] Toliy: Right? Like, and like I, I would argue yes, he is Well, in, in, in, in, in, in the badgering. Okay. 

[01:08:22] Eldar: Yes. No, no, no, no. I'm saying that his dad is doing it prolonging the process that he'll get to probably one day like his dad preventing 

[01:08:31] Toliy: him from making mistakes. 

[01:08:32] Eldar: Correct. Where I am accelerating. Yes. Right. So, yo, let's go to the $800 strip club.

[01:08:37] Eldar: Yeah, but there's, I can afford it 

[01:08:39] Toliy: there, so there's no way you're gonna struggle. There's no way to me that the person, um, um, is conscious of signing up for an acceleration of making mistakes. They think that they're, they're gonna be in a better place in the short term, of course. And the long term. Of 

[01:08:52] Eldar: course, he just acknowledged that he is observing you and the way you are now, and he'd like to be like you because you went through this process.

[01:08:59] Eldar: So then. He has some kind of knowledge of like, I'd rather 

[01:09:02] Eldar: take that route. He said that I didn't put words in your mouth. Yeah. But I like, he somehow was like, yo, you turned out better. I want to be that.

[01:09:18] Toliy: But he, he, you an example, he's saying that he wants to save and he wants to do this, but like, the reality is that like for him to be able to get those types of things he needs to like, improve himself, not save more money. 

[01:09:30] Mike: Yeah. But the thing is right, you're not taking into account the factors that don't allow him to, uh, the stresses, the external factors that, uh, stopping him from actually being able to concentrate.

[01:09:40] Mike: And one of the things is, is that Yeah. And the stress. The stress. If you have anxiety 

[01:09:47] Mike: mm-hmm. 

[01:09:47] Mike: You coming to work, you're doing any work? No. If you have this constant pressure from your dad Yeah. You coming in and you able to focus. 

[01:09:56] Eldar: He already had the taste. Right. He already had the taste of like, I get on the phone call, I could get a really good call if I'm calm, relaxed, whatever, not taking it seriously.

[01:10:04] Eldar: I can have a real good conversation. And guess what? I can book it like today. Close it. Right. And there's times where he's whatever, somewhere else, bad sleep, whatever the fuck he's going through. Shaky ass Cole. He's like, yo, I know I fucked that up. You know what I mean? He threw money away. He threw money out the window because that was call you would've booked 

[01:10:19] Harris: a hundred percent.

[01:10:19] Harris: Like today I got good sleep. Right. I got on the phone with this, uh, this guy. Right? Yeah. He was throwing a whole bunch of shit at me. Yeah. And took your and did not understand, understand what I was saying? Yeah. Took my time, answered every question. You felt good about it. Felt good about it. I can't, Jared can, I can't attest to it.

[01:10:32] Harris: Jared, Jared was sitting next to me. Yeah. You can't attest 'cause you weren't there. I want you, Jared was sitting next to me. He goes, God damn. Okay. And that, yeah. And Tara goes, yeah, but Jared, you can't do that. You're not LDAR. Oh, so, so 

[01:10:47] Eldar: Jared has a lower bar. Obviously he should have a lower bar. Yeah.

[01:10:49] Eldar: Obviously. I said, and then I have a, a little bit higher bar, but then Totally has. I asked higher bar. So at that point I was 

[01:10:54] Harris: like, all right Tyra, what'd you think? Yeah. Oh. And she goes, uh. All right. I like it. And she goes, she, I said, was it a bad call? She goes, it wasn't a bad call. Yeah. You know, okay. She listened to, to, she, you know, she knows.

[01:11:08] Harris: She knows. Yeah, yeah. Of course. But I felt it was a good call. The guy got all the information he needed, man. He said, be nice. He said, uh, he got all the information he needed. Yeah. He said he needed some time to think about it. Yeah. I said, okay, no problem. I said, I'll send you over the quote. Yeah. Right. And then I'll give you a call next week.

[01:11:26] Harris: Yeah. We can follow up. He said, great. So yeah. I said, thank you for taking the time. You felt good. Have a good day. 

[01:11:31] Eldar: I 

[01:11:31] Harris: felt good. 

[01:11:31] Eldar: You see the, the fact that he had already moments of wins, victory for himself, his personal things. Right. He sees the distinction. 

[01:11:40] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:11:41] Eldar: He knows the distinction is there. Mm-hmm.

[01:11:43] Eldar: When I'm fucked up, I have these types of calls. Mm-hmm. I'm throwing money out the window. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'm not booking deals when I'm out on my game, I know it. I can do it. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Now he has to reach for that. Yeah. Now he has to practice his small wins in order to get there.

[01:11:57] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:11:58] Eldar: Now he has to pay attention and listen. 

[01:12:00] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[01:12:01] Eldar: But in order to get there, he has to shed all the nonsense. 

[01:12:04] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:12:04] Eldar: We promote the nonsense. Yeah. We can promote the nonsense. Let's go through the nonsense in order to finally shed it and say like, did you have enough? Yeah. The thing is that, did you have 

[01:12:12] Mike: enough the accelerated path to, to re remove?

[01:12:15] Mike: Yeah. Pointless or distract or like suffering without learning. Yeah. The, the process and expediting That is a great one. Yeah. You heard what he just said. It's very 

[01:12:25] Eldar: important to expedite the process of accelerating. Right. The learn. Oh, removing the suffering. That results of not learning is the best thing that you can do.

[01:12:38] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. Sure. His dad is saying the right stuff. You should say for the future, son. Yeah. Duh. But it's stupid 

[01:12:45] Mike: suffering. But it's 

[01:12:45] Eldar: stupid 

[01:12:46] Mike: suffering. It's pointless. It's because of the way it comes across his suffering. That's gonna happen here. It's not gonna be pointless. Yeah's gonna be, there's always, because we have 

[01:12:54] Eldar: a story.

[01:12:54] Eldar: Yeah. We have a continuation of a story of progression. Yeah. You asked me the other day, you're like, yo, there, am I progressing? I'm like, what do you think? Right. And now today you have a testimony like, well, I had a better call. Right. And now I look 

[01:13:07] Harris: forward to the another call. That's right. Because 

[01:13:10] Toliy: I'm giving him a week.

[01:13:10] Harris: That's right. To think about it. But 

[01:13:12] Toliy: what, what if you're wrong about whether the call was better or not, for example? 

[01:13:16] Eldar: Well, no, I mean, like I see also, I I didn't see that phone call. I didn't hear that phone call. No, no. 

[01:13:20] Toliy: I'm saying that like for example, like we, we had a thing like me, me and Harris, right?

[01:13:24] Toliy: Like, uh, I sat 

[01:13:25] Eldar: through very good calls. No, 

[01:13:26] Toliy: no, but I'm saying is that like we had a thing like, I don't know, this is what, like three, four weeks ago, Uhhuh. Where, where like I heard a call. Yeah. He came out of it saying it was pretty good. Mm-hmm. Right? Like I felt it was terrible. Yeah. Right. 

[01:13:39] Eldar: Yeah. But no, no, no, no.

[01:13:41] Eldar: We already identified the fact that your bar is higher. 

[01:13:43] Mike: Yeah. The thing is, you, 

[01:13:43] Toliy: you, you have to, you're scaling, 

[01:13:45] Eldar: you're scaling out of a hundred. I'm scaling out of a 10. Sure you are. But you don't 

[01:13:49] Toliy: even hear this call. And he's operating off of Jared and Tara. No, the one thing, because they're 

[01:13:53] Eldar: on probably level five right out of five and I'm scoring out of 10.

[01:13:57] Eldar: If they score five, they're, I probably score six. 

[01:13:59] Toliy: No, they're, no, no. You're saying that they're scoring at five outta 10? No, no, five out of five. The one thing I can say outta scoring outta 10, the one thing score at hundred time out. Time out can be what? Outta ten six. The one thing I five 

[01:14:13] Eldar: outta five? Yeah.

[01:14:14] Eldar: They don't know shit from shit time out. Yeah. They don't know shit from shit. Correct. But mine's level higher because I'm out of 10 only, but I'm not, no, I'm 

[01:14:20] Toliy: saying that the person that's giving the testimony is going off of the, off, off of the feedback of the people who don't know shit. 

[01:14:26] Harris: Sure. Because the person that did have that did know shit was not here.

[01:14:30] Harris: Yeah. Uh, the one thing I'm going to 

[01:14:31] Harris: say, no, but I totally, I've sat through calls that 

[01:14:34] Eldar: were we both synchronized on the fact that he thought it was a good call and I thought it was a good call. 

[01:14:38] Harris: And the one 

[01:14:39] Eldar: thing I'm going to say this, this is not just like an anomaly time out that this 

[01:14:41] Harris: happened. Time out, time out.

[01:14:41] Harris: The one thing I'm going to say right, yeah. Is I notice when I have a bad call with ELD A 

[01:14:46] Eldar: Yeah, 

[01:14:46] Harris: right. He'll let me know. 

[01:14:48] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:14:49] Harris: Be like, oi blocked, you know, like you fucked it up. Yeah. The past two weeks. 

[01:14:54] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:14:54] Harris: I did not hear this. 

[01:14:55] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:14:56] Harris: I did not hear oi blocked, you know? Yeah. You know, like, yeah. God damn, you should have got that, you know?

[01:15:01] Harris: Yeah. I didn't hear this this past two weeks. Yeah. Uh, there were a couple calls that he was like, good. Yeah. Good. I didn't hear the o blocked, like I fucked it up. This 

[01:15:10] Eldar: obviously, uh, totally evaluating the call based on your standards is very difficult. And obviously he will always score time, but 

[01:15:17] Mike: it's also not like, uh, it's not the proper way to do it.

[01:15:20] Mike: Yeah. You have to meet the person where they're at for their level. Like if I say, oh, totally, you're a terrible basketball player. Well, what, what do you mean by basketball player? Yeah. What compared to NBA or compared to a five year-old. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You know? Yeah. He's a five year-old in sales, you are fucked.

[01:15:34] Mike: You are an NBA player that's fucked up. And he's Right. Yeah. You are an NBA player. That's right. You are like, oh yeah, he's not basketball. You've at this for what, 10, 12 years? Are you comparing him to other five year olds or you comparing to NBA players or high school players? Mm-hmm. Yeah. You always have to meet the person where they at.

[01:15:46] Mike: That's, and if, if the person's at Yeah. This is where he is at. 

[01:15:49] Eldar: Well, Mike is saying is that, um, we should meet people where they're at, um, because, uh, it's, it would probably be the only fair way to be able to judge progress. Right. And I think maybe this is another topic that we should talk about progress.

[01:16:04] Eldar: Right, right. If you set yourself up right, and saying like, okay, you're a 12-year-old kid, uh, playing basketball, you know, and making free throws five out of 10 or four out of 10, or whatever, you know. Wow. But you're not an NBA player who's making nine out 10. You know what I mean? Like, you shouldn't be, you're not there yet.

[01:16:21] Eldar: Right. Yeah. You didn't have enough practice. Mm-hmm. Right. You're not tall enough. You just started playing basketball. You just started playing basketball practice. There's so many variables that go into where it's like, okay, what is progress? Right. Yeah. That's a, that's a very good. I think topic as well.

[01:16:34] Eldar: So meeting people where they're at. Right. And then going off of that, the fact that this is where you were, right. Or at mm-hmm. And now this is where you're at now, and is there progress between the two? Obviously for me mm-hmm. There was, or there is. Mm-hmm. Slow progress. 

[01:16:50] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:16:50] Eldar: So totally. Who's at the bar at a hundred, right?

[01:16:53] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Oh, we're trying to get to the BA in this case. No, bro. Like, what the fuck? This is like irrelevant. Mm-hmm. You know? Yeah. But ultimately Harris, right? I also would like you to be on toy's level, right? Mm-hmm. Of understanding all the concepts and all the stuff that he's teaching. Oh, he's trying to think, but, but like in school, right?

[01:17:12] Eldar: Before you take the, what's his name, you have to take prerequisites mm-hmm. In college, right? You have to take the one-on-one courses before you go to 4 0 4 courses. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I think that's what, that's the difference. The difference is that he's probably in the one-on 100 courses mm-hmm.

[01:17:25] Eldar: For now, introduction to cer certain things, introduction to customer service, sales. Mm-hmm. Right. Math and everything else, right? Yeah. We're totally as a PhD, let's just say, you know, uh, in sales. 

[01:17:36] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:17:36] Eldar: You know, and I, there's nothing wrong with that, but you don't throw a, a one, a 100 introductory course student into a PhD course.

[01:17:44] Eldar: No. They're gonna be like, ah, what? Mm-hmm. How do we get here? 

[01:17:48] Mike: Yeah, 

[01:17:48] Eldar: of course. You know what I mean? Of course. And I think that's what's happening. 

[01:17:51] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[01:17:51] Eldar: You know what I mean? Therefore, it's hard maybe for the person who's in PhD and it's only PhD in for a little while mm-hmm. To see the student 

[01:18:00] Mike: Yeah.

[01:18:01] Eldar: Adequate enough to, to be able to comprehend anything. 

[01:18:04] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:18:06] Eldar: Make sense? 

[01:18:06] Mike: Yeah. Yeah. And I also think it's it to tie to what you were saying, uh, or to what I was saying earlier is like if you are a level four basketball player, right, you know, PhD in basketball, for you to come and do shitty is gonna be already great.

[01:18:21] Mike: And if you have some stress, you're still gonna be pretty good, you know? But the person who's level one. Him, all the outside stressors. Yeah. They're gonna affect him. Much worse for me, like when I do whatever for my job, I could be tired, but it comes naturally to me. 'cause I have, let's just say a PhD in, in it, in it, so it's easy.

[01:18:39] Mike: But like, uh, if I have a stressful day or I get a little bit less sleep, it's not gonna affect me as much because I've been doing it for so long. You know, I've been playing this game for so long. Right. And for 

[01:18:51] Eldar: him too. 

[01:18:52] Mike: For you too. Yeah. Right. To pick up these phone calls. Right. It's very easy. It's like, it's like back, it's easy.

[01:18:56] Mike: It's like it's even if you had a rough night, you didn't get enough sleep. Yeah. He can still do it. You're still gonna do very well. You may be a little bit off, but you, you, you like, your bar is a hundred. So if you're five off, then you still have 95 than, and that's his bar than his bar is 10. Yes. If he's two, three off.

[01:19:14] Mike: Yeah. That's, there's nothing left. Yeah. You know, so I think that's like, um, that's a fair assessment. And that's the, that's the fa The reason I'm saying that is because the suffering, the stress that he has with his dad and other issues that he's going on, those take away from that small bar already to begin with.

[01:19:32] Mike: Correct. And that's the problem. If you have some stress they take away from your bar, well, not that much. Your bar is much bigger, especially for the things that he is doing. Right. 

[01:19:41] Eldar: That no, for the things that he is doing. Yeah. The things that he is doing, for example, right? 

[01:19:44] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:19:46] Eldar: Require only a 10 bar.

[01:19:48] Eldar: Yeah. He has a hundred, right? Yeah. So if you lack sleep and now he's at a 50 bar, he still has enough for the 10 bar thing. Of course. Now if he's getting himself into something new Yeah. Let's say rock climbing or some marketing, for example, right. Which he's trying to get into, right? Mm-hmm. Oh, you better believe it that if you didn't get enough good sleep, you ain't gonna just, uh, what is it called?

[01:20:09] Eldar: G Oh yeah. Like glide through it. Yeah. Even if you own bad sleep. No, bro. Mm-hmm. Because there's learning involved in marketing that is not involved in inbound sales, for example. Correct. Which you already know, like B backward, backwards. Yeah. You know, you can know it all. Mm-hmm. You know? Yeah. So, yeah, that's, that's correct.

[01:20:26] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:20:27] Eldar: You know, so you're being unfair. You, you own an apology. I'm sorry Harris. I forgive you man. See? 

[01:20:39] Harris: See how easy that is, man.

[01:20:45] Eldar: That's it. You see? Yeah. So are we saying anything, Harris? I think we're saying a lot. 

[01:20:52] Harris: I'm ready for the journey to, yeah. Exciting forward, man. That's exciting. Well, 

[01:20:57] Harris: we've already been on a journey. We're just adding 

[01:20:58] Harris: another level to it. 

[01:21:00] Harris: I know. Mm-hmm. I know. I'm 

[01:21:01] Eldar: excited for the journey too, because like anytime we have an eager beaver who's, who's willing and able to suffer, you know what I mean?

[01:21:11] Eldar: Are you kidding me? It's an exciting time. Yeah. 

[01:21:13] Harris: But you just told me everything that's gonna happen. I'm still wanna do it. 

[01:21:16] Harris: Yeah. It's 

[01:21:18] Eldar: sick. 

[01:21:18] Harris: It's a 

[01:21:18] Eldar: sick 

[01:21:19] Harris: phenomenon, 

[01:21:19] Eldar: right? That's right. And every time we have an individual participant who's coming up with a sick phenomena, things like, I'm always amazed by it how it's gonna turn out.

[01:21:27] Eldar: I don't fucking know. Yeah. You know what I mean? And obviously the track record speak for itself. A lot of times people walk out that door. Right. Of course. I totally said a year in motherfuckers crumble. 

[01:21:36] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:21:36] Eldar: They 

[01:21:36] Harris: pussy it out. Mm-hmm. That's what it was. I approach my year mark, motherfucker. I'm still here.

[01:21:41] Harris: Yeah, sure. But that's just a year. Right? Let's see. Yeah, 

[01:21:44] Eldar: I'm still excited. Yeah. He seems to be game. Yeah. So I'm game. Yeah, a hundred percent up until you're not game. 

[01:21:51] Eldar: Hundred percent. You know? So it is a very interesting phenomenon 

[01:21:59] Eldar: nonetheless. And every time I think we get better and better, you know what I mean?

[01:22:02] Eldar: At this journey, which becomes more and more of a conscious effort. Right. Did we have the same conversation with those individuals? Yes or no? Or was it, is this more polished conversation now? So that's a good question. You would've to run the tapes back. Yeah. Well, I'm gonna listen to the whole fucking shit.

[01:22:20] Eldar: For me, it's interesting. Hundred 60, 160 plus episodes. Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah. Of two plus 

[01:22:24] Mike: hours on average for, for, for you, like you've been backpacking people for a long time. Yeah. You know, so for me, this is something new. Yeah. Which is interesting. Yeah. Because I also have to take a certain role here, which I don't, I've never taken on like a mm-hmm.

[01:22:38] Mike: Backpacking journey. Yeah. You know, so I'm also interested how, how that turns out, you know, because you see, um, because of me, because of him as well. Yeah. It's very interesting because your role is different here. The moral is different. Yeah, that's right. I have to play a different role in his, in this, uh mm-hmm.

[01:22:54] Mike: In this thing. Yeah. So it's definitely interesting, 

[01:22:58] Eldar: Harris, I want you to succeed, but you best believe it. I don't have attachments to it. 

[01:23:04] Eldar: You know what I'm saying? Therefore, I'm okay with the outcome. Yeah. Can I, am I, am I open and willing to be pleasantly surprised? Absolutely. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean?

[01:23:15] Eldar: Absolutely. Yeah. You know, I mean, totally showed a lot of grit in this shit. You showed a lot of grit in this shit. You know, some people showed some grit. 

[01:23:22] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:23:23] Eldar: You know, but a lot of people didn't. Yeah. 

[01:23:28] Eldar: You know, and I what I mean by grit, 

[01:23:31] Eldar: like, sticking through this, like, you know, like if you listen to the podcasts all the way back mm-hmm.

[01:23:37] Eldar: You'll see what struggles they went through, how much tumbling they went through. Right. There's a lot. Mm-hmm. I'm not gonna bring it out now. I'm not gonna talk about it, you know, but I know each individual's journey. Right. And, and obviously those who fucking went through it and still, still hear and able to talk about it and continue to go through it, and like, that's, that's character.

[01:23:58] Eldar: Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? They've developed a level of character that's, I think with them for the rest of their lives. Like, nobody can tell them shit, you know what I mean? Because they know what they know. That's awesome. That's, I think, what we're trying to build. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Versus some fucking Fugazi who just talks out of his ass all day.

[01:24:15] Eldar: You know what I mean? Hi, my name Paul. You know? 

[01:24:19] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:24:20] Eldar: So I'm not gonna say final thoughts because Tolio always gets upset with me with it. Mm-hmm. Because he is got a lot to say. He's sitting there quietly. You know what? I meany, yeahs, he's building up like a little koi fish, you know what I mean? In this tank, 

[01:24:32] Mike: you know?

[01:24:33] Mike: Yeah. But I think he's learning right now. He had to, he has his bar is getting used today. 

[01:24:37] Toliy: Yeah. But yeah, like go, like going on the face value, uh, train. Train. Yeah. Yeah. Like I know it's gonna be fun. Yeah. Yeah. I know. It's gonna be fun. Yeah. And Harris it, the way you 

[01:24:48] Harris: say it is, right? Yeah. At the end of it, and I come crawling.

[01:24:52] Harris: Yeah. Like, I need help, like major help. Yeah. I can see Totally jumping up and down so fucking happy. Like, yes. 

[01:25:01] Eldar: Uh, I don't think so, Harris. No, no. I'm not sure because, uh, I don't think that if you came back on your knees crawling, it's not a jumping up and down moment. No. I think totally. Has enough compassion to know that that moment requires for him to Yes.

[01:25:14] Eldar: Kneel down to your level in that moment and give you a hand. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know. But don't, don't, 

[01:25:20] Harris: it will finally be nice, man. It I 

[01:25:22] Harris: am. But it will finally get to the point where it's like the point he always wanted Right. Me to come crawling. Like, I need, I don't think he wants you crawling.

[01:25:31] Harris: Whatcha talking about? No, it, it finally comes to the point and forget about the crawling. Right. Finally comes to the point asking, asking for help. Okay. Right. Asking for, and currently right now I'm asking for help. Yeah. But in a way I don't feel like you wanna put your hand out Yeah. And be like, 

[01:25:46] Toliy: yeah, let's 

[01:25:46] Harris: do 

[01:25:46] Toliy: it.

[01:25:47] Toliy: Well, no, you're not. I'm, I'm talking about a different, asking for help right now. You're not asking for help. 

[01:25:53] Eldar: Oh, well, he thinks Yeah. He's just labeling it. You're not asking for help. We, we see it as help. You asking for help. 

[01:25:58] Toliy: Yes. Yes. But not in the way that he thinks that he's asking for help. Yeah. Now you want an out, but is the student of pain supposed to see the difference?

[01:26:05] Toliy: This is a different 

[01:26:06] Eldar: school of thought. 

[01:26:07] Toliy: Yeah. And 

[01:26:08] Eldar: remember Harris, what I said before, we're constantly trying Right. To brainwash each other into our own worldviews because we are under assumption that our worldview Yeah. But is a better, I feel like 

[01:26:20] Harris: totally wants me to go one way. You guys want me to go another way?

[01:26:23] Harris: And it's kind of like a tug of war game. Correct? It is tug of war game. It is, it is. But I also see totally, I also, yeah. I also see, right? Yeah, totally. You're Christian El do's Catholic and Sure. You're pulling me one way to Jesus and another way. That's right. But Jesus is Jesus. Yeah, that's right. But, uh, sorry, Josh.

[01:26:42] Harris: Oh, shout out to Josh. Uh, but, uh, I gotta hit up, but you know, it seems elder's way is more work and no offense than yours. 

[01:26:55] Eldar: They always accuse me of this. 

[01:26:59] Harris: I know you're trying to be the prophet for someone, but 

[01:27:02] Eldar: Yeah. Oh, that is an interesting way of using choice of words that he used. You see that? Yeah. What, because his act Right.

[01:27:11] Eldar: What we talked about, right. His actualization told his actualization, right? Yeah. Is the philanthropy that he talked about. Mm-hmm. I want to pass down my knowledge and understanding of certain things. Yes. Onto someone. But it's a very hard task to do, you know? Yeah. And that's what he just said. Yeah. He said, I know you want me to follow, or you want me, you know, you put you in on your thing, but it's very hard to follow the way you Yeah.

[01:27:32] Eldar: I think you know what it is. I, i just 

[01:27:33] Mike: thinking about it. I don't think, uh, maybe not consciously, but totally doesn't, uh, you gotta say that, doesn't see or didn't, doesn't think. Or maybe he does, I'm not sure. But he doesn't understand that the person signs up for exactly what they deserve. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So if he's signing up for this, this is what he deserves.

[01:27:56] Mike: And you wanted to say no. Well, my what? But you're saying that almost like, then this side 

[01:28:01] Eldar: is more like bad or something. Yeah. The way you put it, making it sound like you're a villain, but not in a, you're about to take me, so then you, you are then you're complimenting Harrison saying that Harris is smarter than that.

[01:28:13] Eldar: Oh, I'm saying 

[01:28:14] Mike: that the, the per the e the soul. Yeah. Then I'll, I'll take those. The, you reverses the law, whatever you wanna call it. Things we spoke about God. Yeah, yeah. Gives, gives you the exactly what you deserve. But I don't look at deserve as a bad thing. Yeah. I used to Yeah. Use that word in a bad way.

[01:28:30] Mike: You remember? Yeah. I redefined it recently. I told you about this. Okay. I think we spoke about this. I think deserve is, is, is a good thing. Okay. Because then you know exactly where you stand. That's right. That's be, that's your point. That's my, that's my thing. That's the way I meant the thing to deserve.

[01:28:45] Mike: Okay, fine. So Harris is gone for exactly what he has earned, if you want to call it that. 

[01:28:50] Eldar: Okay. 

[01:28:50] Mike: Instead of Deserve, yeah. Paris has earned to go 

[01:28:52] Eldar: this route, but only on a scale that Elder's way is better than Tolis, for example. Well, like he 

[01:28:58] Harris: earned Elder way. I have, I have kind of experimented with both

[01:29:06] Harris: if you 

[01:29:06] Harris: think about it. 

[01:29:07] Harris: You 

[01:29:08] Harris: know what I'm 

[01:29:08] Harris: saying? 

[01:29:09] Harris: Have so much fun with 

[01:29:10] Eldar: this shit. If you 

[01:29:11] Harris: really think about it. I've experimented with both. 

[01:29:13] Eldar: I, I a hundred percent agree with you. That's why I like, and one way 

[01:29:15] Harris: seems to be working better Yeah. Than the other way. No offense. I see totally over there. He's gonna get upset.

[01:29:22] Harris: Like, no, I, I find it funny because 

[01:29:24] Toliy: I, I understand what the person Yeah, it is. It, it, it, it's having this experience, it saying, yeah, but they also don't know what, what they're entail stands for entail. Yes, yes. No, of 

[01:29:32] Eldar: course. Yes. But we have, but Harris, I'm gonna tell you right now, if I'm level one boss.

[01:29:38] Eldar: Totally is level 10 and you still have to go through it. I know. You know what I mean? But go, I'll tell you one thing. Go in the deep end, I'll tell you thing about certain things did not work. Didn't. And we saw that it 

[01:29:48] Harris: I agree. This, I feel I'm improving Little bits by little bits. Yes, yes. But I actually see improving and I actually see a future.

[01:29:57] Harris: Yeah. Doing it. Okay, good. Well, before you just wanted yourself, 

[01:30:03] Harris: where's the gun? Where's the gun? Fucking gun. Blow my brains out. Where's the gun? Oh, but 

[01:30:10] Toliy: that's, but that's only because.

[01:30:14] Eldar: Because you were trying to stuff a watermelon to a garden home. Yeah. No, 

[01:30:17] Harris: no. Sure. But you were trying to do PhD stuff that's you were trying to do. Have you ever watched the movie Little Nicky? Yeah. He loves movie. He loves movie. Yo. He got a movie. Have you ever watched Little Nicky? Have you remember when, uh, you remember when the devil was dealing with Hitler?

[01:30:32] Harris: I've never watched this movie. You remember when Devil was the other? I don't. Are you saying that we have to watch this together? No. This Adam Kennedy, the runs. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. I do you remember this? Yeah. The Devil Uhhuh. We were in hell. Okay. And Hitler was there? Yeah. And the devil pulled out the pineapples.

[01:30:49] Harris: Okay. You don't remember this? I don't. We're finish it. Okay. And the devil was choosing which pineapple to shove up Hitler's ass. Okay. So that's where I'm going with this. You were saying you can't fit a garden hose, hose watermelon into a garden 

[01:31:05] Harris: hose. Yes. It brought the idea of little Nicky. Yes. Where he 

[01:31:10] Harris: was trying to shove his up apple off his ass.

[01:31:11] Harris: Well, he went through this daily. This is hell, man. Wow. So there you go, man. What a reference. Thank you, Harris. I thought it was a funny 

[01:31:19] Harris: reference. It is 

[01:31:19] Toliy: a 

[01:31:19] Harris: funny 

[01:31:20] Toliy: reference. I thought it was gonna be a lot better. 

[01:31:22] Harris: Fine. If not one that told is a 

[01:31:23] Mike: library references. Yes. Yes. 

[01:31:25] Eldar: We don't watch the ent. What is it?

[01:31:27] Eldar: Yeah. Prince Princess Diaries. For Princess Diaries. Yeah. Gate.

[01:31:34] Eldar: He has a fucking deviance of Nate, bro. Yeah. Wow. Holy shit, man. 

[01:31:40] Toliy: Yeah. I I, I, what a gift. Yeah. I think ultimately like, to, to me it's, it's, it, it's always like a funny paradoxical thing where like, like lots of times where like the person where, where wherever they're at, they feel that like, like your challenge is the easier one.

[01:31:57] Toliy: Right? Or your way ways is the easier one. 

[01:31:59] Eldar: Well, for the moment it is. Yeah. 

[01:32:01] Toliy: For, for the moment. It is. Yeah. But I 

[01:32:03] Eldar: think that that's what people wanna live in the moment. 

[01:32:04] Toliy: Yes. But they don't understand that it's the hardest one. 

[01:32:09] Mike: No, but I don't think which is the right one or no, what? I don't think the equation works.

[01:32:12] Mike: Yeah, you are, you are trying to give a giftie to a sinner. Yeah. How does that, yeah. How are you gonna give a, you just talked about a ha a hackable thing. You are trying No hack saying to a equation. Is my mic off 

[01:32:25] Eldar: for 

[01:32:25] Toliy: No, no, no, no. Why are you trying to be heard 

[01:32:28] Eldar: or something? 

[01:32:29] Toliy: No, for sure. Um, I How does that logically make sense?

[01:32:32] Toliy: No, no, it doesn't, Mike. But I'm saying that the other person's testimony is that like, Hey, you are bad and that person's good in, in that moment. Right? Sure. You can make that context right. The, the, the, the way it's saying that like, hey, like, like your way. He, he's saying my, my way. Like, Hey man, like your way is bad, right?

[01:32:53] Toliy: Elder's way is good. Well, you want me to skip the necessary steps? No, no, no. For, for example, right? He's good man. He's getting good. He's good, for example. Right. But the person doesn't realize that the, the, his favorite movie is a click that the, uh, click the challenge on elder's side is, um, like crazy high.

[01:33:15] Toliy: But is it the right one? 

[01:33:16] Mike: Is it the 

[01:33:17] Toliy: earned 

[01:33:17] Mike: one? Mike is out talking about justice. No, but I'm saying is that like they, they don't know it though, is what I'm saying. Is the student supposed to know the teacher's knowledge is knowings 

[01:33:26] Toliy: knowledge or whatever. No, it's not. No. Which is why, like, the testimony for me is like, yeah.

[01:33:32] Toliy: Like I, I definitely know that like, um, my approach of like, um, teaching and stuff like that in general is not a good one that mm-hmm. That it's been proven and it's definitely not as polished as elders. Right. Um, but I have a hard time like completely tapering back, like expectations mm-hmm. Restarting them and like I could do that.

[01:33:55] Toliy: Right. But, um, like, um, like I'm, I'm, I'm not as like, I feel like a forgiving moment to moment on like what the person is bringing at that time. Yeah. Where. You are more, um, 

[01:34:10] Eldar: lenient. 

[01:34:10] Toliy: Yeah. More lenient and forgiving on those things. Yeah. Right. Um, um, um, for example that Right. But the person associates, like, because Eldar is more lenient and more forgiving 

[01:34:27] Eldar: mm-hmm.

[01:34:28] Toliy: At that time, right? Mm-hmm. Um, as like elder being the good guy. Yeah. Like, for example, the good guy in the sit situation. 

[01:34:36] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:34:37] Toliy: Um, um, but I, but, but Eldar is the hardest challenge. Like period. 

[01:34:46] Mike: No, I, I, the elder's path is, let's say the more suffering. Why you say that? What you saying? Or 

[01:34:52] Toliy: no 

[01:34:52] Mike: more suffering at, at faster time.

[01:34:54] Eldar: Yes. 

[01:34:55] Toliy: Yeah. It is the, the highest level that, that's what I'm trying to the highest level of, of, of, of, uh, it's the most painful of Yeah. Of suffering and pain. And like the more you progress the, the, um, the more it expedites because like you, you, like, you have to be able to mm-hmm. To like, uh, like you have to be able to continue to hit the next level.

[01:35:18] Toliy: Mm-hmm. And the next level is gonna be more and more painful. But like, I I, I, I think where, where it works is that, um, like at least how, how, how, how I feel like, um, for me about it is that like the next level is definitely more and more painful, but your ability to, to withstand pain is also subsequently like higher hundred percent as you go up.

[01:35:41] Toliy: That's right. So like, you, you actually built for it in the moment. Yeah. Thick kin. Yeah. 

[01:35:46] Eldar: Yeah. You know, and I think that's what develops character. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Yeah. Where more and more I become the background noise. I don't need you to police you anymore. Mm-hmm. You police yourselves. 

[01:35:58] Mike: Mm-hmm.

[01:35:59] Eldar: The fuck. 

[01:36:00] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:36:00] Eldar: You know what I mean? Who holds who accountable. Now I don't wanna be the, I told you so, guy, you gotta be the, I told you so guy. Mm-hmm. And you go on a bad date and get into a bad relationship. You gotta tell yourself what the fuck is wrong with me? Yeah. To yourself. Mm-hmm. You don't gotta come crawling back to me and say, yo, what did I did wrong?

[01:36:15] Eldar: Mm-hmm. For me to explain it to you. Mm-hmm. You are gonna tell yourself, what the fuck did I did wrong? Because you have the ability to then zoom out and evaluate what the fuck happened. Yeah. And that's what we're going for. Mm-hmm. We're going for independent individuals. Yes. Actualize to be able to govern themselves.

[01:36:30] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Thoroughly all the time and succeed in the things that they wanna succeed in. That's it. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. I don't wanna be a micromanager. Yeah. I'm Oh fuck. Of course. You know what I mean? His dad is a micromanager. Totally. He's a micromanager. Mm-hmm. I don't wanna do it. The fuck, you're doing the wrong thing.

[01:36:49] Eldar: Mm-hmm. You know, you're doing the wrong thing. I don't gotta police your ass. Yeah. You know why? Because we talked about it. We talked about morals and ethics. Mm-hmm. Right. We agreed upon the morals and ethics. We've established them, and now those morals and ethics, the God Right. Is doing gravity on you.

[01:37:06] Eldar: Exactly. That's 

[01:37:08] Mike: it. It's gravity. The fuck are we talking about? 

[01:37:10] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:37:11] Mike: Yeah. And the person can't get upset at the, they can't, can't 

[01:37:15] Eldar: get upset at you. But, but the very interesting thing that you said, I'm sorry, we could cut you off, Mike, because I'm gonna go back to what you said. You said, how the fuck the student supposed to know the knowledge of the teacher?

[01:37:23] Eldar: Mm-hmm. They don't. They don't, yeah. They don't, they don't know the doings or the ways of the teacher. A 

[01:37:29] Mike: hundred percent. Yeah. They 

[01:37:32] Eldar: can't. 

[01:37:33] Mike: Yeah. Your guy, your favorite movie. Yes. Miyagi's watching the car. Yeah. He's like, he's like, yo, what the fuck are you teaching me, bro? I wanna wrestle. Yeah. I wanna wrestle.

[01:37:39] Mike: Yeah. He's like, I watching my car wrestle. 

[01:37:41] Toliy: Yeah, 

[01:37:41] Mike: that's 

[01:37:42] Eldar: exactly, 

[01:37:42] Mike: that's a very good example. That's exactly what's happening. 

[01:37:44] Eldar: Yeah. He wants to go wrestle. We're gonna go wrestle. He's blindly going into an engagement. Yeah. Thinking that he knows. He has no idea what's going on. Yeah. He's following blindly.

[01:37:53] Harris: Mm-hmm. I've been following blindly for the past year, man. 

[01:37:57] Eldar: Yeah, sure. Certain things. Right? Certain things. Yeah. You know? 

[01:38:02] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:38:02] Eldar: Obviously, your testimony's gonna be your testimony in, in, in the future. Mm-hmm. As to how it came all about. Did you get better? Did you feel better? What is it? What has been in instilled in him, right?

[01:38:11] Eldar: Mm-hmm. But certain tests that did come, come about. Mm-hmm. Right. He may be failed in the moment, but passed in the future. Mm-hmm. Which is a testimony to the fact that he understands inside. He sits with it, he apologizes and says, you know what, I fucked up, sorry. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? And he perseveres.

[01:38:29] Eldar: Mm-hmm. His ego doesn't, or his ego and pride doesn't take the best of him. 

[01:38:32] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:38:34] Harris: In order to proceed, I'm throwing all my eggs into elder man. It is crazy. 

[01:38:40] Eldar: Yeah. Crazy talk. You know why? Because he's more in tuned because he has a mental illness. What does that do? That I, I don't know. I'm just throwing that out there.

[01:38:54] Eldar: Right? Like, he's supposed to be further than anyone. 

[01:38:57] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:38:58] Eldar: Right. Yeah. But what we can talk to them more than we could talk to the regulars. Who the fuck man? Why 

[01:39:04] Harris: you gotta separate me, man. I'm just saying. I thought you 

[01:39:07] Toliy: also give him more than anyone else. What does that mean? Like, you give him more than anybody else.

[01:39:13] Toliy: I said give, I, 

[01:39:14] Eldar: I don't give him, because I, I single him out and said that he is this person. That's why I'm giving it to him. 

[01:39:19] Toliy: No, no. This is my philosophy. No, no. To give. I'm saying yes. No, no, but I'm saying is that like, um, like, um, I am not 

[01:39:31] Eldar: doing anything different that I did for him, for Philip, for Nate, for anyone.

[01:39:36] Eldar: It's the same. It's the same platform. It's the same program. He's just, he's receiving it the way he's receiving it, because who he is. And it's, it is interesting part that the fact that the person with the mental illness and all the deficits is receiving it better than the individuals that were quote unquote normal.

[01:39:52] Toliy: But, but, but he also has like, um, like a much lower. Let's just say bar for what's required for him or like what needs, right. None. Unless he's making a better 

[01:40:01] Eldar: decision. No, 

[01:40:02] Toliy: but it's easier to make that decision right. Than, than somebody Which, 

[01:40:06] Eldar: which, which, which then attests to what? He's closer to God than, than anybody else's.

[01:40:11] Toliy: Well, no, I'm saying that like his, his needs are much less than those people. Correct. Therefore, he's closer to God than anyone else's because he is not as tainted. What do you mean by needs? Um, like his problems? No, no, I'm talking about like for what he requires, like for example, like, like what? Like, uh, financially, for example.

[01:40:31] Toliy: Yeah. Right. Correct. It's much lower than, for example, Nate and Philip. 

[01:40:35] Eldar: Yeah. Because they were tainted more so despite the fact, despite the fact that we think that Yeah. He's the one who's at a deficit because he's been on the spectrum for a long time and took medicine. Right. He's supposed to be the one who don't get it.

[01:40:47] Eldar: Right. But he wasn't tainted by money yet. Right. He's closer to the truth than individuals that thought about job security I never had over knowledge. 

[01:40:55] Toliy: Well, yes. Which is crazy. 

[01:40:56] Eldar: Mm-hmm. No, but why is that crazy? No, it's like, like, wow. I mean, to me at least, like, no, but why is 

[01:41:02] Toliy: that crazy? Is what I'm asking, saying 

[01:41:03] Eldar: No, no.

[01:41:03] Eldar: Now that I say it and it's not crazy, it makes sense. Yeah. But beforehand I would never would've fucking said that. Like, oh, this guy's gonna get it. Mm-hmm. You're not, he's not supposed to get it. I told him that. 

[01:41:13] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:41:14] Eldar: He knows that. He's like, he, everything is against him. 'cause family is against everybody's, the whole world is against him.

[01:41:20] Eldar: Mm-hmm. He's not supposed to get it. Yeah. So if he does get it. 

[01:41:23] Harris: Yo. Yo. Speaking of which, I talked to my mom yesterday. Okay. She came across the Instagram page. Okay. Harris is the hooks. Uhhuh is the hooks. She, she, she was furious, dude. Uhhuh. She's like, I don't like it. They're making fun of you. Yeah. Do you not see this?

[01:41:40] Harris: Yeah. I was like, listen, ma. I said, look at the comedians. Right. Look at Fluffy. Yeah. Look at all these people. 

[01:41:45] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:41:45] Harris: You probably don't know who he is. 

[01:41:46] Eldar: I know who Fluffy is. I like, yeah. 

[01:41:48] Harris: I actually like him. I said, I really don't care. Yeah. Let people laugh at me. Yeah. They made their livings. Yeah. Off of people laughing at him, making fun of themselves.

[01:41:56] Harris: I really don't care what people think anymore, mom. Yeah. 

[01:41:59] Eldar: That is why I think that that's this, that's the distinction too. It's a thick skin. The ability to see 

[01:42:04] Harris: it. When I first started here, I hated the idea. Right. People were gonna laugh at me. How are they gonna look at me? Yeah. I really don't give a shit.

[01:42:10] Harris: You wanna comment? And sometimes people say 

[01:42:11] Eldar: like, oh, Tom, don't put that in there. Yeah. Right. And Tom even advocating for him now, taking away the funny bits. Right. For what? To promote the pc fucking culture PC stuff. Yeah. At this point, I 

[01:42:21] Harris: really don't give a fuck. Right? Yeah. If someone's not gonna like it.

[01:42:24] Harris: I look at other YouTubers that make fun of themselves. Right? Yeah. They get a lot of hate, but guess what? They're like, I don't give a fuck. That's right. Say what you wanna say. I, I really don't care anymore. At the end of the day, 

[01:42:33] Eldar: you should rely on what you feel. They're not gonna, 

[01:42:35] Harris: they're not gonna be in my daily life.

[01:42:37] Harris: They're not gonna see me every day that and be like, oh, you know? Yeah. I have my inner circle. Fuck you. 

[01:42:42] Eldar: That's right. That's it. And that is why I think he's is poised to success, to succeed in, in that realm. 

[01:42:49] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:42:50] Eldar: Because of the fact of that attitude. He actually has the fucking thick skin. To be able to put himself out there and say, you know what?

[01:42:56] Eldar: I don't give a fuck. 

[01:42:57] Harris: You know? Because my mom comes at me, she's like, do you not see either making fun of you? I say, if you think about it, mom, they are funny videos. Well, well, number one, they're 

[01:43:04] Eldar: funny. And number number two, mom, is this not true that I'm a fucking idiot? 'cause Harris, this is the truth.

[01:43:10] Eldar: Harris. Mm-hmm. Right now you are an idiot and a lot of things, but. I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm not okay with associating myself with an idiot for long periods of time. If you don't progress, I will fucking kick you out. Mm. Without you even knowing that you got kicked out. Mm. Okay. Mm-hmm. That is the truth of the matter.

[01:43:28] Eldar: Yeah. I want you to progress. You wanna progress. Mm-hmm. Everyone in this room wants you to progress. The argument is, how you get there is the progression. Totally wants you to kick, super boost you up there. I'm like, yo, take it easy on him. Take it slow steps. That is the argument that we're having. We have an ide ideological problem of how to get there, how to progress, but at the end of the day, if you stay an idiot, Harris, it is not gonna work out.

[01:43:53] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Right. We're all idiots in certain things. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? I'm 

[01:44:01] Harris: justing everything. 

[01:44:02] Eldar: No, no, no, no, no, no. You're not Harris. Don't get that twisted and a lot of things. You're very cautious about certain things. You have certain anxiety that protects you, and it says it's very intelligent.

[01:44:14] Eldar: Right. It might not serve you the right way right now. Absolutely not. But when it does serve you the proper way, I think you can be a killer in certain stuff. 

[01:44:20] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:44:21] Eldar: You know what I mean? I mean, totally proved it out. You know what I mean? So jury's still out on you. Mm-hmm. We're gonna see where you're gonna end up.

[01:44:32] Eldar: Are you gonna end up an idiot? It could. I see it this way, right? Mm-hmm. It can be one of those things where we push, you, push, you push you, videos come out, you get excited, you get fame, not money, all this other stuff, right? In that, in that world, you, you, you start getting corrupted. You come to us, we give you an argument over, I'm gonna jump over.

[01:44:52] Eldar: I'm, I'm gonna be honest with you. You ban us, you walk away. I'm gonna be honest with you. I delete everything Uhhuh, and I don't give a fuck about anything. Know 

[01:44:57] Harris: what I mean? I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't even watch the videos anymore, dude. 

[01:45:01] Eldar: Yeah. Okay, fine. I'm just saying that like, I'm giving you paths of how things can turn out.

[01:45:06] Eldar: Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Or you see it for what you're seeing it as like, okay, cool. Like I have my world. I know how I feel in my world. Mm-hmm. The fact that I used to be an idiot, but now I know multiplication table, you can't tell me shit. I'm much better. I'm more confident. I'm making sales, I'm doing this.

[01:45:23] Eldar: I'm not that person anymore. This is where I came from To be able to show that progression, I think it's fascinating. I think anybody who experiences that, number one is lucky. Uh, this is great. Number two, if anybody who's witnessing it or watching it can be completely like baffled. I think that's viral to the, uh, billions gazillions degree.

[01:45:46] Eldar: If we could have the ability to, to show that it's gonna be tricky, but it's going to, it's gonna be a fascinating, I think. Mm-hmm. Nonetheless. Um, what was the most interesting 

[01:45:56] Toliy: show of all time? The Truman Show. The Truman Show. Mm-hmm. Never watched it. Every single person in that land. 

[01:46:01] Harris: Tuned in, tuned in.

[01:46:03] Eldar: Yeah. That's crazy. That totally just made that connection. I never watched it. That's a, it's a very interesting thing. Mm-hmm. They grew him in a fucking aquarium. Right. For the lack of better word, right? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. An aquarium. Actual, actual aquarium. Mm-hmm. They built, 

[01:46:19] Toliy: everybody built a world, A world for him.

[01:46:21] Harris: Yeah. He was born on, oh, I think I watched a clip about this. He tried going, it was a fake bji or something, and they wouldn't let him leave. Somebody created 

[01:46:29] Toliy: a, a fake world. Yeah. 

[01:46:30] Harris: For him 

[01:46:31] Toliy: it was manufactured world and the whole world watched his world. Yeah. And every, yeah. Yeah. You have to watch movie.

[01:46:37] Toliy: That's where you based it off 

[01:46:38] Harris: of, man. Huh? And that's where you based it off of? No, 

[01:46:41] Toliy: no. I'm giving the example that the most interesting show Yeah. Is the Truman Show. Why? Because it's a real Yeah. It's real. And for like, the whole world was fake, but he was real. Yeah. And everybody watched that. Mm-hmm. The whole world tuned in to watch in, in the movie, the whole world.

[01:46:59] Toliy: Watch the show. 

[01:47:00] Eldar: There's probably un unethical, unethical dilemmas. There's a lot of things that are going on because he didn't know. Right. He was, he was, he grew up in a bubble. You know what's happening. Yeah. We tell you what's going on. We tell you that yes, we're making fun of you, but rightfully so. You should be made fun of.

[01:47:17] Eldar: Right. But only for so long. Right. Only for so long I was able to press totally on his quirks and funny things and certain things we're still pressing him on. You know what I mean? But when he, lets go of some of the attachments or, but bad things that don't serve him, I can't make fun of him anymore because he grew up out of it.

[01:47:33] Eldar: Yeah. He is not that person anymore. And you have that right now. You, that next person in line or as Dennis calls it, you the next pinata. Right. 

[01:47:45] Harris: I'm taking the hits, man. You're taking the hits. 

[01:47:47] Eldar: I'm taking hits to the ball. You see it? And, and, and the fascinating part to us is that you are able to take the hits more honestly, for some reason, right?

[01:47:57] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Where it's like we can be a lot more straightforward to him than we can be with Philip. Mm-hmm. Right? Who upkept an image, you know? Right. 

[01:48:06] Mike: Yeah. Yeah. Phil was definitely more sensitive. 

[01:48:08] Eldar: More sensitive. Yeah. Where, where Harris has thicker skin, he is like, yo, yeah, he does. I see it. I I hear it. You know what I mean?

[01:48:14] Eldar: I'm, I'm not against it. I, I realize that some of the stuff about me that needs to change and improve, it's a good thing. That's a, that's an introspective, that is refreshing. And my family hates 

[01:48:24] Harris: it. Right. Because how far 

[01:48:25] Eldar: can we take it? We don't know. Mm-hmm. 

[01:48:26] Harris: Well, yes, your family's supposed to hate it.

[01:48:28] Harris: They're like, my mom. My mom keeps saying it over and over again. You're changing. I don't like it. Listen, 

[01:48:35] Eldar: the, the, the truth of the matter is your mom will love it. If we do the right, if we do right by you, and you take in the actual information that we talk about, especially if we're preaching compassion and goodness.

[01:48:47] Eldar: Right? You're supposed to be a better son. Totally supposed to better be a better son. Mike's supposed to be a better son. I'm supposed to be a better son from all the stuff we're supposed to give our parents more attention and compassionate and understanding, but we also supposed to challenge them right?

[01:49:01] Eldar: When they go through their little turmoils. So if you can become that type of a son, yes, it's gonna be a black and white. Mm-hmm. It's gonna be a yin yang. At times. They're gonna see you as the enemy. At times, they're gonna see you as the saint. However, they will never be able to pull back from you.

[01:49:16] Eldar: Because the truth of the matter is, if you behind, if the truth is behind you and you on the truth, 

[01:49:22] Eldar: they will forever follow. That's it. Especially because they're their family, you know? 

[01:49:28] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:49:29] Eldar: They'll 

[01:49:30] Eldar: see it for what it is. 

[01:49:31] Eldar: Mm. 

[01:49:32] Eldar: Despite the fact that sometimes it's gonna be very challenging. Mike is an enemy in your dad's camp.

[01:49:36] Eldar: I'm gonna tell you that right now. I'm giving you a heads up. Mm-hmm. This is the prophecy. It's not a prophecy. It's very clear. Totally knows it. Mike knows it. Mike is an enemy. As an accountant of your funds. I'm telling you, elder is the enemy in this whole thing. Totally is the enemy. Bring it on, bitch.

[01:49:54] Eldar: Yeah. We we're supposed to get charged for what Socrates was charged for. 

[01:49:58] Eldar: We are corrupting the youth. 

[01:49:59] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:50:01] Eldar: You know what I mean?

[01:50:05] Eldar: We're supposed to be charged for that. 

[01:50:06] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:50:08] Eldar: You know, because the program is breaking. Right. They have a very specific program 

[01:50:14] Eldar: that's been quote unquote serving them. Mm-hmm. You know, but the truth of the matter is we're trying to make you even better so you can be more compatible to your mom. So you can help her.

[01:50:24] Eldar: So you can actually help her, uh, actually reach her and say, mom, I can help you out here with whatever 

[01:50:30] Harris: it is. Money. Right. Mental stability, supporting or moving a Panama? Anything? Correct. 

[01:50:37] Harris: Anything? Well, uh, you know, my mom brought that up again. 

[01:50:40] Harris: Yeah, no problem. 

[01:50:41] Harris: And I ended up saying, go, we'll be here. Tell, tell, 

[01:50:44] Harris: tell.

[01:50:44] Harris: If she goes, tell her that we have one way ticket sponsored 

[01:50:48] Harris: by us. Because I told her, I said, me, Ari, David, John, we'll be here. 

[01:50:52] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:50:53] Harris: You know, we'll go over 

[01:50:53] Eldar: there. We'll move her. 

[01:50:55] Harris: I was like, go. I said, uh, John's mom has a house in Panama. Don't really use it. Yeah. Perfect. Look at that. Talk to Bashiva. Yeah.

[01:51:04] Harris: She'll tell you about Panama all you want. Yeah. John already talked to his mother, said, Hey, yeah, Harris' mom wants to go there. Call me. All right. Back to the topic. 

[01:51:16] Eldar: Yeah. We all said all this stuff. Why?

[01:51:21] Eldar: Why do we say all this shit? For what? I don't know. We went really off the topic 

[01:51:25] Mike: there. No. Mm-hmm. So connected. Yeah. One, one. No. One thing that, um, thing I was thinking about is like, uh, in the two different approaches right. Uhhuh when your approach Yeah. Right. Or let, let's start with like, uh, let's say, let's call it t's approach.

[01:51:48] Mike: T's approach. Mm. The way I thought about it is he's, he, that he's talking to the person who has an ego. Right? Okay. He's talking to egotistical person. Yeah. He's faced with an egotistical person Yeah. Who has attachments and desires. Yeah. Right? And you were telling him like, yo, fuck your attachments, fuck your desires.

[01:52:07] Mike: Right? Yeah. In that moment, in that moment, El is elder's approach is you are meeting a person.

[01:52:21] Mike: Um, well, right now Harris is paying attention. He is listening and he could tune into like a certain things, right. He could turn in tune into like a. Right. If you wanna call it that. So he's more receptive right now. Right. Um, and I think that that's a much big, like, that's also a big thing. Like, uh, in elders, in elders thing, Harris probably can, most likely will still get exactly the things that, um, he wants to get his attachments and desires.

[01:52:54] Mike: But the approach, because one is you're challenging him, his ego, and the ego does not wanna just say, okay. Yes. Whereas Eldar, like, uh, I'm not sure how to probably phrase it, but he's meeting a different version of Harris, a more receptive version. Mike, you said absolutely nothing. 

[01:53:16] Eldar: Yeah. You wanna hit the button?

[01:53:18] Eldar: Uh, no. I'm gonna give him a chance to correct it. I think that what you're trying to say is that there's a fair, fair trade mm-hmm. When it comes to what he's trying, what he wants and what he's gonna receive. 

[01:53:30] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:53:30] Eldar: And the other thing is like totally, almost wants to prevent the fair trade from happening in the first place where mm-hmm.

[01:53:37] Eldar: He's like, Hey, don't do this because this is gonna happen. Mm-hmm. Let's use your imagination to, to, to believe me mm-hmm. Of what's gonna happen where I don't use the imagination part. Mm-hmm. I'm gonna say, all right bro, you wanna do this? Let's go. Yeah. Let's, let's exercise it. Yeah. Well, no, that's what I'm trying to say.

[01:53:53] Eldar: I have an a fair exchange. You, you 

[01:53:54] Mike: are allowing him to go and Yeah. Get those attachment desires completed. Get completed. Correct. Totally, totally thing you are like, you're trying to have a con like a preventative sort conversation. Yeah. With a ego, with a drunk person who has attachment desires and elder is trying to have the, like a conversation with a drunk person and he's treating him as a drunk person.

[01:54:17] Mike: Okay. And I think that's, that's two separate things and I think that's like a big distinction. 

[01:54:23] Harris: So Elder wants me to hit rock bottom. Totally. Doesn't want me to get to that point. 

[01:54:28] Mike: No, I think other, I'm not sure if how wants you to hit rock bottom? I think other wants you to learn. Mm-hmm. And I think totally also wants you to learn, but it's hard to, for the person to learn when they have attachments and desires and ego

[01:54:49] Mike: versus, like, he still has the attachments and desires and the ego. 

[01:54:53] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:54:54] Mike: But elder is not talking to that part of him. He's like, you, attachment desires, ego, you want this? Okay. Have it. Take it. Let's go. He's getting exactly what he wants. The ego is getting exactly what they want, you know, still both ways, like mm-hmm.

[01:55:10] Mike: The chances of him making the mistakes and doing it. It's, it's definitely very possible. Yeah. You know, it's different. 

[01:55:20] Toliy: Yeah. Uh, well, let's hold there. I have a question. 

[01:55:23] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:55:24] Toliy: Do you think that, um, the school would be a more effective school? Um, if I was 100% in lockstep with you? That's a good question. 

[01:55:36] Eldar: If you, if you were to be a hundred percent in agreeance with me, 

[01:55:39] Toliy: like Yeah.

[01:55:39] Toliy: Like if, like, like anyone who feels that I have a different approach. 

[01:55:43] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:55:43] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Um, like, um, I, I, I, um, rewrote the book. 

[01:55:49] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:55:49] Toliy: And our approaches are mirrored. Right? Yeah. Um, do you think that the school, would it be an effective place for students to flourish versus do you need to have this bad cop ver versus, versus what's going on now?

[01:56:03] Eldar: The con I think the contrast is helpful, you know, because she said, Hey, I know you and I know you, I want this. Mm-hmm. Right. So I think it's, it's helpful, you know? Mm-hmm. Um, can it be more, can it be better? 

[01:56:22] Mike: It be even faster if it was not the two schools. Right. 

[01:56:25] Eldar: Can it be faster if it was not two schools? I don't know.

[01:56:28] Mike: Or does totally school bring out the worst in the person, which helps them pass to get to the better person himself? 

[01:56:33] Eldar: I think Totally. School is very, uh, important. 

[01:56:36] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:56:37] Eldar: It's like it's hand in hand and porn. Yeah. So from Harry Potter, right? Well, no, no. I think 

[01:56:42] Harris: Tony's, uh, thing, oh wait, wow. He's gonna, what the fuck is going on?

[01:56:46] Harris: This guy from Harry Potter, right? He's Professor Snape. 

[01:56:51] Harris: What? Yeah. 

[01:56:52] Toliy: And Tony knows this movie, so No, but expand on that. But it's actually funny in, in that reference. It's correct. He's Professor Snape. Professor Snape is the 

[01:57:00] Harris: evil, 

[01:57:01] Harris: uh, he is the mean, uh, professor. Really? Yeah. But but is he good in the end? 

[01:57:06] Toliy: What do you mean?

[01:57:06] Toliy: You didn't watch Harry Potter? 

[01:57:07] Eldar: No, I know that he's he is good in the end, right? In the end. He, he did help. No, no, he did help. 

[01:57:12] Toliy: Harry Potter had Harry Potter thought. Yeah. That, um, professor Snape paid like in the first in, in the first one. Yeah. He thought that, uh, Snape could be actually collaborating with Lord Voldemort.

[01:57:24] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Yeah. To take out Harry and that he's this bad, bad guy in the end. Wasn't Professor Snape 

[01:57:30] Harris: in love with his mother? Yeah. 

[01:57:31] Toliy: He found out. Fuck. Well, well, well, so he found out that Snape actually cared about him the most. That's right. Because he loved his mother and he was doing everything in his power to protect Harry, to, to protect Harry.

[01:57:43] Toliy: But Harry never saw it. 

[01:57:45] Harris: Correct? Correct. Yeah. In the end, yeah. Professor Snape was really there. Yeah. He didn't show it. Yeah. But in the background, he was always there to 

[01:57:57] Toliy: Yeah. Her. Yeah, he did. He he was doing things in the background to help him. 

[01:58:00] Harris: Yeah. 

[01:58:00] Toliy: But Harry never saw it for what it was, and he never got the credit for, for, for, um, either for, for, for helping him and doing what he was doing.

[01:58:08] Toliy: Why do you think that was? Also, professors saved Harry's life several times. And, and, and how about this, um. Um, Snape kept up a particular image 

[01:58:18] Eldar: mm-hmm. 

[01:58:19] Toliy: Um, that led, that led Harry Potter to thinking the whole time that he was the bad guy. And he was okay with it. On 

[01:58:25] Eldar: purpose? Yes. On purpose. Oh, see, I didn't know that.

[01:58:28] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:58:29] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:58:30] Harris: Did you know that? Well, yeah. 

[01:58:33] Toliy: Watched a lot of, but at the end of the day, they showed this totally in the, but at several times in the movie he was in, when, when it was, he was blatantly mean to him. 

[01:58:41] Eldar: No, I know. But did he actually acknowledge that he was doing that to, like, he said that to someone where he's like, I'm doing this on purpose this whole time.

[01:58:47] Eldar: No, no. The agenda was on purpose. So I, 

[01:58:49] Toliy: so I don't, so I don't remember what he was, um, saying, but I know that like, he had a thing where like, he like be, because eventually Al also, like as the movie kept going, he actually became friends with like, uh, Voldemort. Yeah. And Voldemort ended up trusting him. Ah, so like the evil people trusted him.

[01:59:07] Toliy: Yeah. Right. Okay. In he was the intruder. He was the intruder because he always kept up the image. Yeah. That he is the bad guy. Was a bad guy. He's infiltrated, but he was really an insider. And there were several 

[01:59:17] Harris: times where he saved, well, he was a very cute player. There were several times where he saved Harry's life.

[01:59:21] Harris: Yeah. 

[01:59:21] Toliy: Yes. And he never made it known to Harry that like, he always like kept up like the tough guy act to Harry. Like he would always, like, he, he, he would push him. 

[01:59:31] Eldar: Okay. 

[01:59:32] Toliy: He would always push him. Yeah. And he never needed, he was able to be resilient in how he was acting. Like be because like what, what what he did was tough to maintain in, in, in, in essence because like he was viewed as a bad person.

[01:59:47] Toliy: What. I'm asking Harry, I'll make sure that he, he, he agrees with me. Yeah. He was viewed as the bad person Yeah. While doing good things. Yeah. And never getting credit for it like 

[01:59:56] Harris: he used to. Uh, first think about that. It confused me. Right. Because Professor Snape Yeah. Was always like this mean guy. Always.

[02:00:04] Harris: It seemed like he always had something against Harry. Yeah. But at the end of the day, professor Snape was always there to several times to save Harry. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. He came out of the shadows. It was like this professor who seemed like he had a big rudge against Harry. Yeah. When Harry was in a battle or something, or Harry was about to get defeated, professor Snape would be there to lend a hand.

[02:00:25] Harris: Wow. 

[02:00:26] Toliy: Yeah. And, uh, it, it, it first started on the premise because, uh, are you Professor Snape? Professor Snape was in love with Harry's mom. Yes. What 

[02:00:35] Harris: It showed, like, it showed like Becky's name. It showed, it showed like a hologram. It showed 

[02:00:39] Harris: like a hologram of the two of them. Yeah. He was, there was like a hologram of his mother showing up her, her ass.

[02:00:46] Harris: Oh my God. No. 

[02:00:47] Toliy: It goes back in time. Yeah. That like, they actually as kids. Yeah. They were in love. Mm-hmm. Ooh. Right. They were in love as kids. Right. Whoa, whoa. And what happened was, Harry's dad was the jock in the thing making fun of Professor Snape. Oh. And then eventually the mom that's drifting away from Professor Snake, who was like the nerdy, like, wait, did they ever come up with the sequels?

[02:01:07] Toliy: What do you mean? You see all this in the whole fucking progression of it? You, you didn't see anything, bro. It's like fucking eight, nine movies. Shit. You 

[02:01:13] Eldar: know how they have like the, the Lord of the Rings and then they like the Hobbit, like the side of where they explain this, these type of stories. That's why you, they explain this totally.

[02:01:21] Eldar: That just 

[02:01:22] Harris: explain it when you see this big a hole outta it. When you see this, when you see the movie and you see that, you know, but I don't remember this shit. Are you guys kidding me? No. But if you see this movie and you see that. His mother chose to be with Harry's dad. Yeah. When I saw it, I always thought Professor Snape.

[02:01:37] Harris: Yeah. Held that against Harry. Like, this guy is the offspring of this dude. Yeah. Wow. I'm not having it. 

[02:01:42] Toliy: Yeah. Harry was almost like, oh, this guy is jealous. Yeah. That he never got to be with my mom. Ooh. Therefore he's acting bad towards me. Wow. But it was not, he made it his life thing to protect, to protect him.

[02:01:51] Toliy: Harry a he's been doing it since he 

[02:01:53] Harris: was a little boy. 

[02:01:54] Toliy: Yeah. Since he 

[02:01:55] Eldar: was a boy. Do you guys realize you're connecting on this the same thing since he was a little boy? Because me and Mike, dunno what you guys are talking about. He 

[02:02:00] Harris: saved Harry from a situation when he was a little baby. Is this love And he brought Harry to a safe guardian or whatever that could protect him.

[02:02:09] Harris: Do 

[02:02:09] Eldar: you respect the fact that he 

[02:02:10] Harris: knows this? 

[02:02:10] Toliy: That's crazy. Yes. Knows also it, you understand. He follow, he interpreted the whole thing probably. And he made an example out of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Take that fucker. If you were to watch Mike, if all you have to do is watch the first one, he's Professor Snake, you would see that I'm Professor Snake.

[02:02:26] Toliy: Does that bring you comfort? 

[02:02:27] Eldar: No, but wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Mike. Oh, he said he's Professor 

[02:02:31] Harris: Snape. And I'm like, does that bring you comfort? So 

[02:02:34] Harris: I don't know because it is totally putting on like a, a front. 

[02:02:37] Mike: No, no. The thing is I think you'll be sick. Uhhuh. I think maybe 

[02:02:42] Harris: this because he has shown like certain, you know, like 

[02:02:46] Eldar: Yeah.

[02:02:47] Harris: Uh, compassion. Yeah. Uh, literal bursts birth of like, like Professor Snake did you know? Yes. Yes. The dinner. What a, what a jerk called. Right? What a, the dinner. He has a dark cloud, the dinner. And it was like, you know, he said all this things and then he is going digging. Dig and dig. He wants to erase all of it.

[02:03:05] Harris: And it's like, in a way he is Professor Snape. Yeah. He cares. 

[02:03:08] Eldar: Yes. 

[02:03:09] Harris: But he shows in his own way. He makes, makes it seem like in his own way, but he makes it seem like he doesn't, what's his problem? I don't know. He's definitely Professor Snake. We might need to make our own Harry Snake in the first movie.

[02:03:19] Harris: Yeah. 

[02:03:19] Toliy: Uh uh, um, Harry's like, on, on like the, uh. Like the, uh, quidditch team where he has to ride that like broom. And he's in a game. It's kind of gay though, right? He's got broom hanging on his, someone in the crowd is casting a spell on him. Yeah. And it makes a shit bug out. That's right. Trying to make him fall off and die.

[02:03:38] Toliy: Yeah. And in the crowd, him and his friend See that Professor Snape is muttering shit. Yeah. Under his breath. They're like, yo look's, he's trying to fucking kill Harry. 

[02:03:45] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:03:46] Toliy: Right. So then the friends go and they go run around this whole thing and they cast a spell to light a fire on his cloak. Yeah. But he was actually casting a spell, like an anti spell against the thing to save Harry.

[02:03:56] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Yeah. But they think I because he's a bad guy. Yeah. That he's the one that's doing well. And they may, they dress him 

[02:04:01] Harris: up as like a bad guy. You like this kinda shit, right? Yeah. I like this kinda shit. Oh, they dressed him up. You like this kinda shit. Yeah. I mean, they dressed him up as like a villain.

[02:04:08] Harris: Dark, all dark black hair. Like goth look like, yeah. Evil. What a phenomenon. No. 

[02:04:14] Toliy: Yeah. That the, this one is definitely surprising. Very nice. It's a phenomenal, 

[02:04:17] Mike: we have watch. I've never seen it. Yeah, it's, no, it's a sick movie. The Harry 

[02:04:20] Toliy: Potter movies are crazy. It's not just one movie, man. Eight or nine. It's like the best series of all.

[02:04:25] Toliy: Would it be very 

[02:04:26] Harris: gay if we watched it together in our, there has been rumors 

[02:04:30] Harris: now Longest as fuck. There's been rumors now some of the movies that they're gonna be coming out with another Harry Potter, like of his son. Oh, I love rings though. 

[02:04:37] Mike: It's amazing. 

[02:04:38] Toliy: Yeah. Tim. Yeah. I, I've watched part parts of Lord the Rings, and to me the, the storyline here is shit's on Lord the Rings.

[02:04:45] Harris: Okay. 

[02:04:46] Toliy: Shit's on it. Really like shit's on it. All right. 

[02:04:48] Harris: There's been several rumors after they're coming out with another one with Harry's Sun watched. I have watched, 

[02:04:52] Toliy: I have watched every movie more than 10 times. No, every single one. When do you do this? I rewatched it, bro. I rewatched it with Brittany parents.

[02:05:02] Harris: How many times? Oh my God. Brittany was obsessed with it, so we watched it like. Five or six times all the movies. Wow. When I was young, my 

[02:05:12] Toliy: parents always had like, but when John came home Yeah. Cinema like stars. I had all the fucking movie channels. Wow. Movies. Wow. When John came home, they went off literally just turn on the fucking tt v Yeah.

[02:05:21] Toliy: And it's the same movies, relatively cycling from months at a time. Yeah. That would rewatch all of them. That's, but Brittany's 

[02:05:27] Harris: also trying to get the kids into Harry Potter. Yeah. You know? Yeah. 

[02:05:31] Harris: Yeah. 

[02:05:32] Harris: That's crazy. Alright, 

[02:05:34] Harris: so what are you trying to say, Harris? He's professor Snake. 

[02:05:36] Mike: No, but I think it's sick.

[02:05:37] Mike: What? Like then like a professor. Snake. Snake. Or snake? Snake. Snake. Snake. What a pee. As in Peter. He, he took, he he wanted 

[02:05:46] Toliy: the 

[02:05:46] Mike: heat. 

[02:05:46] Toliy: Yeah. And he was okay with taking Wait, wait, wait, Mike, and do you know what his position is? 

[02:05:51] Eldar: Hmm. 

[02:05:51] Toliy: In the thing? 

[02:05:52] Eldar: Hmm. 

[02:05:52] Toliy: He, he's a, uh, he, he, well, sorry, I think he, I don't remember if he starts off from it, but he definitely is it eventually he's a defense against a dark arts 

[02:06:02] Eldar: Hmm.

[02:06:02] Toliy: Professor. Really? The defense against the dark art That's sick. 

[02:06:06] Eldar: Mm. 

[02:06:07] Toliy: Professor. Yeah. That's sick. 

[02:06:09] Harris: Yeah. 

[02:06:10] Eldar: So how do we get here? 

[02:06:12] Harris: Totally Professor. Same man. 

[02:06:14] Mike: Fine. But I think it would be okay if to, I don't know if totally how totally feels about No, no, no. It's this question. Yeah. That's what I'm trying to answer.

[02:06:24] Mike: Yeah, go ahead. I was trying to answer if Toley did the Professor Snape thing where he was actually like, I'm not sure how Toley handles the heat when he is the bad guy. Is he okay with that? I feel like sometimes he has a hard time and he, he's like, uh, well, no, 

[02:06:41] Eldar: because 

[02:06:42] Mike: No, because 

[02:06:43] Eldar: he actually is not the bad guy.

[02:06:44] Eldar: Right? Yeah. Well, he's not, professor Snape had a very specific image. He's not, he's not the 

[02:06:47] Mike: bad guy, but Yeah. But you have to be accepted. He that as if you are the bad guy. Everybody 

[02:06:51] Eldar: misunderstood Professor Snape because he was on a different level. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. If he's functioning on a different level.

[02:06:56] Eldar: Yeah. I think that's what's happening here, you know? Mm-hmm. What I mean that. You know, Philip's perception of totally being harsh, you know what I mean? Or anybody else's, right? Mm-hmm. Nate's, yeah. Clash with him, you know? Yeah. It's all misperceptions or misunderstandings of what's actually going on. Mm-hmm.

[02:07:11] Eldar: I know the core, uh, uh, where the core is established from. Mm-hmm. And that the virtues that he holds dear mm-hmm. For himself as well. Mm-hmm. That those are the ones that are guiding his decision making, you know what I mean? 

[02:07:21] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[02:07:22] Eldar: Despite the fact that sometimes it leads with a RN fist 

[02:07:24] Eldar: mm-hmm. 

[02:07:25] Eldar: Which I don't agree with, but nonetheless, I know that, like what he's trying to do.

[02:07:30] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Of course he's not trying to not help the person. 

[02:07:34] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[02:07:36] Eldar: It's just that each individual is different, their sensitivity. Look, he might come across an individual who's gonna be able to, um, resonate with that type of, um mm-hmm. Um, you know, um, strict, yeah. Fucking hammer. Mm-hmm. Um, maybe it has to be an Asian person and not to be stereotypical or No.

[02:07:56] Eldar: Fuck that. I'm trying to be stereotypical here. I've heard a lot of things that Asians, right? Mm-hmm. For example. Right. They need that. Mm-hmm. Right. They, they, I mean, they operate, they culturally operate out of very strict guidelines where they're like, 

[02:08:09] Eldar: boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. 

[02:08:11] Eldar: Yeah. Like, this what needs to be done.

[02:08:12] Eldar: Like, and like, you have to work hard to achieve those things, and I don't give a fuck. I mean, that's why they have a huge suicide rate. Mm. Right. Because they overworked themselves. Yeah. Because they have established a very specific culture and dynamic. Yeah. You can't do 

[02:08:25] Harris: it to your fellow Jews, 

[02:08:26] Eldar: man. It doesn't work maybe beyond them, right?

[02:08:28] Eldar: Mm-hmm. But like I said, like maybe stereotypically Asians might be the type of demographic that might be able to respond to his Yeah. Style of, uh, only so no, 

[02:08:37] Harris: only some, 

[02:08:38] Eldar: maybe only some. Not the American one. Not American. No, that's what I'm 

[02:08:41] Harris: getting at here, you know? 

[02:08:42] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Because they clash. Well, he's working with the Indians right now, so we'll see how that pans out.

[02:08:46] Eldar: Yeah. Those 

[02:08:47] Mike: guys. Yeah. 

[02:08:48] Eldar: What you didn't know what he's like. Managing the Indian team market. Travel to 

[02:08:53] Harris: India. Soon you're gonna, uh, what is it called? Deli New deli. New new deli to Deli. You gonna go bring us back some deli, 

[02:09:02] Eldar: deli meats? Yeah. All right. Cir circle back. Harris, help us circle back to everything that we've been talking about.

[02:09:08] Eldar: Why don't we talk about this? What's the whole 

[02:09:09] Harris: point of this? Uh, because 

[02:09:12] Harris: you have to conquer the, your gates before the gates. The gates. The gates, the gates. Gatekeepers. Yeah. You gotta conquer the gatekeepers before you can proceed with life. Wow.

[02:09:27] Eldar: Yeah. A good life. 

[02:09:29] Harris: A good life. A prosperous life. Wow. It should it be that way or no? Hmm. It all leads back to what Toley says. You don't deserve what? Yeah. What you don't deserve. Yeah. Yeah. 

[02:09:45] Eldar: So Mike just said too, so 

[02:09:47] Harris: it's time to take, uh, slowly things outta my dad's hands and Yeah. Put it into the I'm excited elder full camp.

[02:09:56] Toliy: I like it. Yeah. And, and, and, and I just, I I had to look it up because I remembered it. Um, um, you going back here, Harry Potter? I mean, should, should, should I talk about it or are we gonna Actually no profit. Is is everyone actually gonna watch all all of it or not? Not tonight. Watch all of it. Yeah. I'm gonna stay with Mike.

[02:10:15] Toliy: Yeah. No, no, not tonight. But in gen, like, should I say Listen, hold on, hold on, hold. Time 

[02:10:20] Harris: out. Time out. I say we do one of those 24 hours. Whoa. Wait, wait, 

[02:10:23] Eldar: wait, wait, wait, wait, wait Guys, guys. Kat is leaving. Ah, uh, tomorrow. Okay. So I say we do weekend, a 24 hour marathon. Oh my God. Four hours are the fuck. I have pretty six system.

[02:10:34] Eldar: You never seen that? Yo, I'm down. I'm not, listen, not 24 hours, but like, we can definitely put in like two movies. I don't How many is three hours long? 

[02:10:42] Toliy: They're pretty long, right? Some of them are like four. We could do two, two movies in one day. How about that? Yeah. Okay. Alright. So now I'm, I'm gonna say what?

[02:10:48] Toliy: I'm gonna say. Why. I don't wanna give something 

[02:10:50] Eldar: away. Give, yeah. Don't give away's so many movies. You ain't gonna give shit away, man. Alright, so let's, yeah. We can commit to that. Fuck it. Sure. Harry Potter nerds. Um, if you decide to dress up afterwards Yeah. As, what's his name? Bob. I'm not going to Comic-Con man for, at, 

[02:11:04] Toliy: at a minimum we have to draw, we have to draw the lightning bolt on his forehead.

[02:11:08] Toliy: Oh, fuck you man. I'm not watching the movie without the, that's it. Yes. Yeah. 

[02:11:11] Harris: But you can't just draw a yellow white. 

[02:11:13] Toliy: It's gotta be the 

[02:11:13] Harris: black man. 

[02:11:15] Toliy: Can 

[02:11:15] Harris: we, can we, can we have Tom do it? 

[02:11:17] Eldar: Tom can't do it, man. Tom, Tom, Tom is, I'm not watched the movies unless 

[02:11:19] Harris: we draw nothing on a tour. Only Tom is the artist here.

[02:11:21] Harris: You make me Harry Potter, man. 

[02:11:22] Eldar: Yes. Tom is the only artist here. Dude, we have, my first 

[02:11:26] Harris: name is Harris, so, which was 

[02:11:28] Eldar: just pretty crazy. 

[02:11:29] Harris: Yeah. Everything 

[02:11:29] Harris: lines 

[02:11:29] Harris: up perfectly. Yo. But my last name has nothing to do with Potter Man. That's fine. 

[02:11:36] Eldar: Yeah. We're gonna make it do with Potter. We know we're gonna remove Potter.

[02:11:38] Eldar: We're gonna put a Harry Schuster. All right. 

[02:11:43] Eldar: But, 

[02:11:43] Eldar: but, 

[02:11:44] Eldar: but, but, but 

[02:11:48] Toliy: that last name may not be that, but Harry is the only one that could beat Voldemort. 

[02:11:55] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[02:11:55] Eldar: And Voldemort in our example is who?

[02:12:03] Eldar: My dad? I don't know. No, 

[02:12:05] Mike: I don't even know who the v Voldemort is. Bro. Vold is like the big bad guy. 

[02:12:10] Toliy: He's the, he's big boss. He's the big boss. Yeah. Yes. Is is a society. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Harris is the hook. 

[02:12:18] Eldar: Wow. That is an interesting way to connect it. 

[02:12:22] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:12:23] Eldar: Oh, wow. Harris. You 

[02:12:25] Harris: might be the golden goose. You might be, might be golden.

[02:12:28] Harris: Golden. I might be sock. No, 

[02:12:31] Harris: no, 

[02:12:31] Toliy: no. You're definitely not sock 

[02:12:33] Harris: man. 

[02:12:33] Toliy: Sorry. You're not, definitely not sock 

[02:12:34] Harris: Well, 

[02:12:35] Harris: which is a good thing to, in my world, you're sock, right? Yes. But I'm supposed to, uh, yeah. Show the people the true way with my, the videos. Correct. You supposed to show the, the way. Yeah. The way Yeah.

[02:12:50] Harris: Of where I started Yeah. And where I'm going. Correct. So in a way, that guy to you, you're supposed to be, and I'm supposed to be the example, example, it might be Titus, that guy Titus, 

[02:13:01] Mike: who the hell was that? You know Marcus Aelius? Yeah. He was the emperor. Yeah. The other guy. He he came from a slave boy. Yeah.

[02:13:08] Mike: To become an emperor. That's right. That was also the, one of the craziest things. Okay. Wow. I'm, 

[02:13:13] Eldar: I'm glad you said that. Yeah. I think it was. Yeah. Because Plato was more so transcribing the whole thing. Yes. And Aristotle was the person who was seeking happiness. Mm-hmm. And then there was a, yeah, there was, uh, Marcus Aelius.

[02:13:25] Eldar: Yeah. Wow. That'll be interesting. That'd 

[02:13:28] Mike: be sick if he becomes from like, I mean, that's obviously, but you know what, 

[02:13:31] Eldar: and I'm gonna tell you right now, that Buddhists actually believe in this whole phenomenon that we ought to try to remember as best as we could who we were in the previous life. Mm. And guess what?

[02:13:44] Eldar: By no mere chance are you fucking comparing the shit to what other fucking lives. Why? 

[02:13:49] Mike: Well, I, I, I, I don't think that we all three landed together in the same time, in the same place, in the same everything. 

[02:13:55] Toliy: Yes. 

[02:13:56] Mike: So who do you think 

[02:13:57] Toliy: everyone is? And like the, uh, 

[02:13:59] Harris: well, he already said who I am. I, I think I still, I still, the jury is still out.

[02:14:02] Harris: I think, I think he already said who I am. Right. I'm the first one to die in every war. So. Well, that was before. That was before. That's who you were. What's your prediction? 

[02:14:10] Mike: If you see it through to the end, who would he be? 

[02:14:12] Harris: Yeah. Jesus Christ. Well, based on his 

[02:14:14] Mike: lifetime, if you can go in one lifetime from being a slave boy to a fucking emperor 

[02:14:18] Harris: Yeah.

[02:14:18] Mike: That's a hundred percent Harris Emperor meaning president, right? 

[02:14:22] Eldar: Yeah. I mean 

[02:14:23] Harris: yeah. 

[02:14:23] Eldar: Of the world. Yeah. That's what we're going for. We're not going for United States. We're going for the world. Yeah. Obviously we're gonna demolish all those. And who's 

[02:14:31] Mike: totally, who's like the Yeah. Is he Plato Iron Fist? The guy?

[02:14:37] Eldar: Listen, you have to be more interested in who the fuck put soccer on trial, my man. You know what I mean? Cousin. Cousin. That's what we gotta, that's what we gotta keep an eye on. It's not fuck our shit 

[02:14:49] Harris: up 

[02:14:50] Eldar: because 

[02:14:50] Harris: we're really trying to make a difference here. If you really think about it, it's cousin man.

[02:14:53] Harris: Nah, cousin, cousin's not very smart. Put eh, no. 

[02:14:58] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:15:01] Eldar: Unless cousin gets very smart and becomes the the 

[02:15:05] Eldar: no chance. No. Right. He's a good guy. 

[02:15:07] Mike: He's a good 

[02:15:07] Eldar: guy. Yeah. He's a good guy. A good guy. Yeah, he's a good guy. 

[02:15:10] Harris: He's like at nature. 

[02:15:10] Eldar: He's 

[02:15:11] Harris: a good guy. 

[02:15:11] Mike: Yeah. 

[02:15:13] Harris: I don't know 

[02:15:14] Harris: who's 

[02:15:14] Harris: against everything. 

[02:15:15] Harris: Dennis. Dennis was one.

[02:15:16] Harris: Dennis bro. He's been the one trying to expose elders. Yeah. But that would be too easy. He's been trying to expose that would elder. 

[02:15:23] Mike: He's not like a strong, that too easy. 

[02:15:25] Eldar: You know what? I almost feel like it has to be like very, like what happens if like a sideswiped thing? Hold on. What happened? I anticipated Dennis's thing.

[02:15:33] Eldar: Hold on. What happens 

[02:15:34] Harris: anticipated? What happens if Dennis, Nate 

[02:15:37] Harris: and Yeah. Philip get together up. 

[02:15:39] Mike: It's impossible. Philip are not doing it. That doesn't work. No. Nate's not doing anything. No. These guys not doing anything. No. Who was the people that did actually bring him the trial? Was it the politicians was very, very specific person.

[02:15:51] Mike: I might be Congress, 

[02:15:52] Harris: that's the enemy. 

[02:15:53] Harris: Make my guy the 

[02:15:53] Harris: Parliament. 

[02:15:54] Harris: It might be Congress. It it was, it was very specific person. It might be Congress who 

[02:15:57] Eldar: accused Socrates of a wrongdoing. It was a specific person right here. Malus. Correct. Socrates were accused wrongdoing of specifically by, by Malus, ais, and Han specifically.

[02:16:13] Eldar: The charges included corrupting the youth and denying the existence of the gods right as they knew them to be. Right. While Malus is considered the primary accuser. Yeah. Malitus. Malita. Yeah. I think our enemy's gonna be, uh, why was 

[02:16:26] Mike: you listening to him? Huh? Why did you listen to Malus? Who is he? 

[02:16:29] Eldar: Well, no, I think he was just representation of the public.

[02:16:32] Eldar: That's all that was. He probably had a lot of followers on social media, bro. That's what that 

[02:16:35] Harris: is. 

[02:16:36] Harris: The enemy's probably gonna be, he like, he's the. Fucking Cline leader. 

[02:16:40] Harris: The enemy's probably gonna be people in the government, man. 

[02:16:43] Harris: No, I don't think so. You don't think Congress and all 

[02:16:45] Eldar: them? It's possible, but No, I don't think so.

[02:16:48] Eldar: 'cause at least in the United States, they get washed out every four years. Mm. You know, six years or whatever. Hmm. I don't know. We'll see, man. But 

[02:16:58] Harris: it's, it's pretty cool to like, when theorize 

[02:17:01] Mike: Yeah. I 

[02:17:02] Harris: know. Is a sleeper in the group.

[02:17:07] Eldar: Jared, get him out. Jared. It might be Jared. Jared is not, I don't know who Jared 

[02:17:12] Harris: is. Uh, soon, soon to tell. Yeah. 

[02:17:15] Eldar: Too soon to tell. Is Aer out with somewhere? Yeah. If you're saying some, some obvious stuff, it's obvious. You know what I mean? I mean, those are pretty obvious, but I don't think it's supposed to be obvious.

[02:17:29] Eldar: Tara, 

[02:17:31] Harris: I said 

[02:17:32] Eldar: the obvious is not the 

[02:17:32] Harris: one man, but Tara's not obvious. She's playing along with, oh, we're gonna be the financial, uh, guru. You know? Yeah. Mm-hmm. We'll 

[02:17:42] Harris: see. Time will tell. It'll be interesting. Nonetheless. There's gonna be a lot of people trying to kill me. A hundred percent. 100%. But rightfully 

[02:17:54] Eldar: so.

[02:17:54] Eldar: I think that if we were to die, right? Like, you wanna die by cancer, you wanna die by a heart disease. Do you want die by fucking, if I progress 

[02:18:01] Harris: by the way we're talking 

[02:18:02] Eldar: about, I, you wanna, you know, you wanna die by a fucking knife in your back, you know, by a fucking coward. I just 

[02:18:07] Mike: had the sickest thing when you just said, uh, 

[02:18:08] Harris: uh, what'd you say before this?

[02:18:10] Harris: If I die after, uh, becoming like this? Yeah. Sensation if I die, sensation If I die, like, can I progress that way? I would live forever. I would live on forever. Right. See, that's all 

[02:18:24] Mike: I wanted to say. I said, well, yeah. I said, uh, of course. I said, you cannot kill an idea. And then that made me think about vi vendetta.

[02:18:30] Mike: That's right. You cannot kill an kill idea. Let's 

[02:18:32] Harris: think about it. Right? Yeah. Who, who, who are some of the people that are Gandhi? Martin Luther King. Martin Luther King. JFK. Jesus. JFK. J. FK. Assassinated. He was assassinated. And Gandhi he remember forever. Correct. And all the conspiracies that came with it, right?

[02:18:46] Harris: Correct. Who killed that man? He was a great man. Yeah. Lincoln. 

[02:18:52] Eldar: I mean, I think that's probably like the goal if you were to do the, doing the right thing. 

[02:18:56] Harris: That's the goal. What's your end goal? I'm looking for someone to fucking shoot me in the head. Thank you. You see? Yes. I'm looking for someone to shoot me in the head and try to 

[02:19:04] Harris: stop me.

[02:19:05] Harris: I'll live in the history books forever. Yes. Shoot me in the 

[02:19:08] Eldar: head, right? Like. Yeah. That's why Trump was a poser, man. He just got grazed by an ear. But 

[02:19:15] Harris: it was set up that way for, for 

[02:19:17] Harris: us. 

[02:19:18] Eldar: It's a PR stunt for us. It's a PI stunt for us. Exactly. For you, man. He just managed to, yeah, he 

[02:19:22] Harris: just managed to move his head the right direction.

[02:19:24] Harris: Yeah. I mean, 

[02:19:24] Eldar: of course that's 

[02:19:25] Harris: the coolest thing, right? And then if you come forward and say like, yo, what the fuck motherfucker is, I'm waiting for you. But what happens if we fake my 

[02:19:31] Harris: death and I just happen to come back like, yo, no, we don't got shit. We're Tupac. And now Tupac started. 

[02:19:38] Harris: But yeah, 

[02:19:38] Harris: I mean, yeah.

[02:19:40] Harris: What would you think? My family would react if like, what's your end goal here? You know, you're becoming this person. I 

[02:19:45] Eldar: think they're gonna be like, who 

[02:19:47] Harris: is this person? And I'm gonna be like, know them a little more. What's the end goal here, Harris? What's the end goal here, Harris? I'd like to goal. Well, the end goal.

[02:19:53] Harris: Yeah. No, the end goal. Yeah. Would be someone to shoot me in the head. That's right. Yeah. What the hell are you talking about? Yeah. I will be remembered forever in this world. 

[02:20:01] Harris: My mother would be like, so you're trying to become a martyr. A hundred percent. 

[02:20:05] Eldar: Yeah. Which is a crazy way to lead your campaign, right?

[02:20:08] Eldar: I'm waiting for you. You know why? 'cause I'm gonna, you know what's gonna happen? I'm gonna piss you off and you're not gonna be able to control yourself. But the only way for you to level up, like the Buddha said, right? The motherfuckers were able to meditate to a point where if the lion came and the lion needed to eat the person who's meditating, right?

[02:20:26] Eldar: Mm-hmm. They were completely okay with it. They wouldn't run away even if they had a chance to. Why? Because they thought that the reason why the lion is eating in that moment is because they have to feed the cubs and pass on life. Mm. And that is the most important thing. 

[02:20:39] Harris: Mm. They're gonna be reading what profound me in the 

[02:20:41] Harris: history books.

[02:20:42] Harris: One day, 

[02:20:42] Harris: man, 

[02:20:44] Eldar: you see this? Are you buying this? Totally, totally iss. Awfully quiet. Totally quiet. Totally wanted to be the golden goose. But he can't bear the death party. You know what I mean? This motherfucker is ready to die. Yo died so many times for the wrong causes. He is like, all right. Finally, you know, you know, I died for Army.

[02:21:00] Eldar: You know, they fucking brainwashed my ass there in Vietnam. But I'm ready to die for something big. That's sick. That's sick. Yeah. Hopefully, 

[02:21:06] Harris: you know, it's farther out, you know? I think, I think it should be, I'm not saying that you should be dying in your twenties, thirties, or forties. 

[02:21:13] Eldar: You know what I mean?

[02:21:13] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. You should, 10 years in, you should enjoy your life. Have fun, you know, taste the pleasures of life. 

[02:21:20] Harris: You know what I mean? 

[02:21:20] Harris: Yeah. But I think that would be like the only person, like there should be like records. Like I'd probably be the only one of them Yeah. That knew he was going to die. Yeah. 

[02:21:31] Eldar: And be okay with it.

[02:21:32] Harris: Yeah. The question they're, they're gonna have, like, they're gonna have like manuscripts that say, yeah, I knew this day was coming. 100% sock knew. He knew, right? A hundred percent. Yeah. But Martin Luther King, he didn't know he was gonna die. Yeah. Those people knew were 

[02:21:42] Eldar: illusionary. They knew c certain individuals like knew Gandhi and stuff like that.

[02:21:46] Eldar: Yeah. Like you, you cannot know what we are saying, Harris, right now, if the masses listen to it, I'm gonna tell you right now, we'll be in trouble. 

[02:21:53] Harris: Yeah. But physical trouble, meaning like, people will wanna bother us. Yeah. But these podcasts, right? Yeah. 

[02:21:59] Harris: These podcasts will go on record. Like this guy knew he was gonna die and he okay with it.

[02:22:04] Eldar: Yeah. I mean, but I think that's where we're going towards, and the only reason why we still have to die for it, maybe in this lifetime, because number one, death is still like a thing for people, right? And they're like, oh, we should kill whatever. But the question is right. Like, because they under the impression that like, that does something.

[02:22:20] Eldar: Right. But the, for the immortals, for those who are immortals, right. I 

[02:22:24] Harris: don't give a fuck about that. But the question is, 

[02:22:27] Eldar: yeah. 

[02:22:27] Harris: Why does a person, right? Mm-hmm. That leads by the right stuff and leads by all this. Yeah. Why do they have to die? 

[02:22:35] Eldar: Because it's the ultimate sacrifice in the eyes of the ignorant, the ignorant belief in the ultimate sacrifice.

[02:22:41] Eldar: They're like, oh, if he gives his life for it. Right. I become a 

[02:22:44] Harris: believer. Yeah. But it seems every ignorant that causes the death of these people. Yeah. They happen to die themselves by the followers. 

[02:22:51] Toliy: No, but the, I ignorance are under the impression that they can, um, kill like a transcendent idea. Yeah. By killing a person.

[02:22:58] Toliy: But those followers 

[02:22:59] Eldar: No, but they can't. 

[02:23:00] Toliy: No, no, no. They're under the impression, let under the impression, let's look at it. Right? Yeah. 

[02:23:04] Eldar: They, they want to, the jj No. No, but I don't actually think that they think that far. Totally. Let's, let's look at it. I don't think they, they, they think they're looking to kill the individual to kill the transcendent idea.

[02:23:12] Eldar: They never would use the word transcendent idea. Yeah. But let's think about it. I'm 

[02:23:15] Toliy: saying like, they're trying to tear it down. The concept Yes. Of like what that person stands, the concept already stands for what that person does. Correct. To ke, but let's go to kill it. Yeah. But you already, they don't know that like, that that is a forever thing that they can't, it's impossible, but you gotta think about it.

[02:23:28] Toliy: Right? Correct. They 

[02:23:28] Harris: thought Lincoln, right? Yeah. The assassination Wilkes booth. Yeah. They thought they could kill the idea. Yeah. He was killed. Yeah. The Martin Luther King shooter, I'm pretty sure he was killed. Yeah. So the followers of that person that they killed, of course, ended up killing them. Of course, JFK's killer killed 100%.

[02:23:47] Eldar: Yeah. It's always, it always plays out this way. There's justice, but the 

[02:23:50] Harris: followers say, enough is enough. You 

[02:23:52] Harris: killed our 

[02:23:52] Harris: Yeah. 

[02:23:53] Harris: Messiah, whatever. Well, I don't want you to look at it as like, oh, justice will be served in that sense. But the point is that people think 

[02:24:01] Harris: they can kill the idea, but the idea lives on forever.

[02:24:04] Eldar: Yeah. That is the point. And I hope that this is what you concentrate on. Exactly. And you don't concentrate on the revenge question on the individuals. I actually want, I'm gonna tell you right now, I actually, you want me to die? No. Well, first of all, I want you to live as long as possible. Yeah. But I the end of the day.

[02:24:17] Eldar: But if you do die by the hands of an individual who's ignorant, right. I want them to live for as long as possible. You know why? What the suffering. 

[02:24:26] Harris: You want 'em to suffer and realize they're, they're mistake. Are you serious? You want them to realize, 

[02:24:30] Harris: you see where he is, realizing this offending me. You want, you want them to realize their mistake.

[02:24:35] Harris: You want them to realize their mistake. Mistake. I want 

[02:24:36] Harris: them to learn. Yeah. You want them to realize their mistake and what it was all about, correct. Mm-hmm. I 

[02:24:41] Harris: don't want them to suffer because 

[02:24:42] Eldar: the choice of words is very Well, they are going to suffer a little bit. Well, they definitely will, but I don't wish for them to suffer.

[02:24:48] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Suffering comes as a byproduct of what they've done right. And what they ought to learn. Mm-hmm. With learning and progressing. Comes from suffering for sure. That's so, I don't wish them to, obviously to suffer. I wish them to learn. It's gonna come, but suffering is a byproduct of that's 

[02:25:04] Eldar: mm-hmm. 

[02:25:05] Eldar: So I don't want them to die the same.

[02:25:07] Eldar: That's, that's, that's a cop out. I want them to live as long as possible. 

[02:25:12] Harris: I'll die and then war will take. 

[02:25:16] Eldar: Sure. 

[02:25:17] Harris: That's the way it works, man. 

[02:25:19] Eldar: Warren's retiring, so let's just hope that we can raise Warren to make sure that he has the ability to lead as close as possible to how you were leading. 

[02:25:28] Harris: Yeah.

[02:25:29] Eldar: Because then we really win. 

[02:25:31] Harris: But then they're gonna try to take Warren after hundred percent 

[02:25:35] Eldar: and then hopefully Warren was able to pass down the knowledge to another individual, like 

[02:25:39] Harris: to Play-Doh to 

[02:25:40] Eldar: Correct. And that's say something. 

[02:25:42] Toliy: What's the name of the person that killed Sock? You said that told on So Mobius.

[02:25:48] Harris: Mal 

[02:25:49] Toliy: Malus. Okay.

[02:25:54] Harris: He is about to read something crazy from Harry Potter. From Harry Potter? Yeah. 

[02:25:58] Toliy: Uhhuh. Do you remember Voldemort's pets snake. Oh, what happened? We're not 

[02:26:01] Harris: gonna, 

[02:26:01] Toliy: no, no. Well, I remember that he had a snake, but do you remember his snake? I don't remember his name. Okay. His snake, his snake's name is Nani. Okay.

[02:26:11] Toliy: Okay. Voldemort acquired Nani, his snake, his snake through a combination of chance encounters and strategic manipulation. While their exact meaning point is not explicitly stated, is widely assumed that they first met during Voldemort's period of hiding in the Albanian forest after his first defeat.

[02:26:29] Toliy: Nani, who was a curse witch named, named 

[02:26:33] Eldar: Malita, cooked this Malti 

[02:26:37] Toliy: Mal 

[02:26:37] Eldar: malus. Yeah, it's very close. Yeah. It was funny. Became a 

[02:26:40] Toliy: permanent snake and their bond deepened when Voldemort put, uh, um, a whole crux into the snake. 

[02:26:46] Eldar: Wow. Cru. 

[02:26:48] Toliy: Yeah. And the, and then if you click on what Malus is, is a female witch. Who carries a blood curse that'll eventually transform her into a permanent beast.

[02:26:57] Eldar: Whoa. That's kind of nasty. Mm-hmm. Which I don't believe, but, okay. Great.

[02:27:09] Eldar: Harris, 

[02:27:10] Eldar: Harris is the most, I, I'd love to tell you that if you become a righteous leader, that leads the world to salvation. Right. Part one of your fates is 

[02:27:23] Harris: someone assassinates me. Yeah. 

[02:27:26] Harris: It's most likely gonna be the one. 

[02:27:28] Harris: Yeah. You know, 

[02:27:31] Eldar: which I, I think is probably the goal. Yeah. And it means you did something 

[02:27:35] Harris: right.

[02:27:36] Harris: No, 

[02:27:36] Eldar: maybe, maybe if not a lot of leaders throughout history have led with, Hey, my job here is to actually for you to kill me, and I'm looking forward to somebody assassinating me. Well, I mean, I'm 

[02:27:49] Harris: trying to do Well, that's the goal, right? Because you did, it means you did something right? Correct. 

[02:27:54] Eldar: Yeah. Well, no, no, no, no, no.

[02:27:56] Eldar: Okay. Correlation does not mean causation. So doesn't mean that just because those leaders got killed meant that they did something. Right. Because there's plenty of leaders out there like Hitler, for example, that got killed. Oh, 

[02:28:08] Harris: well, he killed himself, bro. That doesn't really count. Fine, fine, 

[02:28:10] Eldar: fine. Okay.

[02:28:11] Eldar: Well, there's plenty of bad leaders that were killed. I don't know. I can't name one from the top of my head. Yeah. Because 

[02:28:16] Toliy: they did 

[02:28:16] Eldar: something wrong. They did something wrong. Mm-hmm. Oh, Gaddafi, right? Yeah. Right. I'm not, I don't know the history, but the general consensus that Gaddafi was a bad guy. Mm-hmm.

[02:28:26] Eldar: And he got killed by his own people. Right. When he got caught. Mm-hmm. 

[02:28:29] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[02:28:30] Eldar: This doesn't mean that Gaddafi was a righteous person. Oh, yeah. Okay. So be careful with making that Yeah. Correlation. Mm-hmm. Right. What, what we're trying to say is that if, if you right tap in into the higher truth, let's just say for lack of better word, and you are able to spread this upon the people, some people who are not ready for that truth.

[02:28:52] Eldar: For one reason or the other will despise you. 

[02:28:55] Harris: So I'm not gonna beat sock. I'm gonna be more like Play-Doh. Okay. I learned from you. Okay. Then I spread the word. Okay. Then I get killed for it. Sure. You can 

[02:29:07] Eldar: call it that. I'm not sure who you're gonna be based on historical events that transpired. Was any of socks I, we actually should, should, should, should, um, look not to replicate what they did, because I think that they fell short.

[02:29:20] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Ultimately, I think we should replicate something new where like you actually campaigning for the fact that hey, uh, whoever, whoever wants to kill me, bullshit. You know, I am looking forward to it because I realize, 

[02:29:31] Harris: and I should say that I'm pushing 

[02:29:32] Eldar: your buttons 

[02:29:33] Harris: of the way I speak. And I should say that on live TV when I'm campaigning.

[02:29:36] Harris: Yes. I know someone out there is gonna wanna kill me. I voluntarily 

[02:29:41] Harris: these practice invite you to come assassinate me. Yes. 

[02:29:45] Eldar: Uh, 

[02:29:46] Harris: I'm right here. I'm right here. 

[02:29:47] Eldar: Yeah. I completely understand that. I'm hurting your feelings here with some of the stuff that I'm saying. And the truth of the matter is if you say the way you say it, I actually think that that individual that was wanting to kill you won't won't start paying attention.

[02:30:02] Eldar: And ultimately something tells me that's exactly what we should be striving for. Yo, I think to get no, no, no. To get the lowest, the lowest low individuals that are very deep, dark places 

[02:30:18] Harris: and bringing those people out. Have you ever thought about this? Mm. That might actually put us one day into the office.

[02:30:25] Harris: By admitting mm-hmm. That, hey, I'm willing to die for the way I believe. Do you realize 

[02:30:30] Harris: I moved on from that 

[02:30:30] Harris: point? No, I'm just saying you got 

[02:30:32] Harris: stuck. Right? 

[02:30:32] Harris: No, what I'm saying is, has any fuck presidential candidate ever admitted on live tv? No. That they are willing to die for their way and die for you?

[02:30:44] Toliy: Well, no presidential candidate standing on, on, on their principles, not of anything. 

[02:30:49] Eldar: You will, and that is why people will vote for you, 99.99999% of them, and nobody else will vote against you because you are able to stand on certain principles and you are ready to die for them. 

[02:31:03] Harris: Because I just thought about that.

[02:31:04] Harris: No presidential candidate has ever willingly said, I'm willing to die. Are you looking forward to that? I mean, it's crazy what you came up with. No presidential candidate has ever said, I'm willing to die for you. Yeah. And I'm willing to die for this cause to make this world a better place. 

[02:31:19] Eldar: Do you realize that that's how realities are formed?

[02:31:24] Eldar: You are under the impression that the world out there is bigger than us. Yeah. But the truth of the matter is that world is very tiny. I just realize that 

[02:31:33] Harris: if I ever heard a presidential candidate say that, I would be like, what the fuck is this guy talking about? You 

[02:31:40] Harris: gotta think about it. If you ever heard someone say that, you gotta think, well, what?

[02:31:43] Harris: You know, you see? So he's convinced that's we're 

[02:31:47] Toliy: gonna get the vote. I would need to get like to a hallucinate level of high to replicate what just happened in last 20 minutes. Because I, I'm thinking about it, right? 

[02:31:54] Harris: Well, yeah. If you saw a presidential candidate said that, yeah, 

[02:31:58] Harris: everyone's just gonna drop what they're doing.

[02:32:00] Harris: Like, what the fuck did this guy just say? 100%? We, we ready for this? Come. I didn't even think about that. Like, what the fuck? Yeah. We, we didn't either until you brought it up. 

[02:32:10] Harris: If fucking Hillary Clinton say that, I'd be staring at like, 

[02:32:14] Eldar: yeah. 

[02:32:15] Harris: The fuck, I'm ready. Did she just say 

[02:32:17] Eldar: Yeah. What she said and welcoming.

[02:32:19] Eldar: Yeah. And welcoming. Because I'm ready. I'm standing on it. Do it. If you are willing to accept the type of lessons that you need to learn or quote unquote sins in order to kill me for the things that I stand on, who are you? What do you want? 

[02:32:42] Eldar: The truth of the matter is gigs up. I think that's like maybe conscious social nirvana.

[02:32:51] Eldar: I'll be back at again, man. What 

[02:32:56] Harris: the fuck ma The fuck? If we accomplish this, can this be 

[02:33:02] Eldar: the path to righteousness for all?

[02:33:10] Eldar: If we can find the language for the, the most, most compromised 

[02:33:15] Harris: individuals, is that what we're looking for? Looking for? To ba basically for everyone. Take notice. Right? Totally. Say, you know what? Totally said today to Tara. Mm. He goes, 

[02:33:26] Eldar: Tara, 

[02:33:27] Eldar: don't worry. I know you're nervous with the individual that came to the door today, okay?

[02:33:34] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[02:33:34] Eldar: He's a shady individual. Oh, absolutely. 

[02:33:37] Eldar: Okay. 

[02:33:38] Eldar: But guess what? 

[02:33:39] Eldar: Al Dra has the 

[02:33:40] Harris: right language for these types of individuals. Brooklyn, he's from Brooklyn, man. I'm from Brooklyn. So when you told him where you were from, he was like, oh, oh shit. He's like, oh shit, I can't even have a beer next to this guy.

[02:33:54] Harris: Ran away. 

[02:33:57] Eldar: So took the beer with him though.

[02:34:01] Eldar: Is this what we're looking to do? Yeah. To find, 

[02:34:04] Toliy: well, I think that the language, language towards, yeah, like you can definitely have like a overall, from like a world standpoint. Yeah. If you took all the people that that like society views as like a piece of shit or like a nuisance to society. Yeah. And you leveled them up.

[02:34:18] Toliy: It would make a much bigger impact on the people that are already like, kind of like, okay. Like a sense, like, they're not like terrible. Like if, like, if you wanna call it that. 

[02:34:28] Eldar: Yeah. I guess maybe it's, um, the ability to slow down enough to be able to understand everyone. 

[02:34:37] Harris: Well, 

[02:34:37] Eldar: yeah. 

[02:34:38] Harris: You need to let them know.

[02:34:39] Harris: The people know that they're pieces of shit. It's time to come outta it. Enough is enough. You gotta say that. Don't lie to me. You all are pieces of shit. But I'm gonna help you rise. 

[02:34:51] Eldar: I go to war in Ukraine and get the job done. You know what I mean? And I'll let you free. 

[02:34:55] Harris: Yeah. 

[02:34:56] Eldar: What 

[02:34:56] Harris: is wrong with you, man? No, but that's what's happening.

[02:34:58] Harris: Okay. That's what they're trying to 

[02:34:59] Harris: tell me about. But I don't think Ukraine's gonna have the war in 25 years. Yeah. 

[02:35:02] Eldar: All right guys. All right. I hear it. I hear the, the mental fatigue. Yeah. So leave us with some final thoughts on this fucking topic. Great days are to come. Oh, I love it. Some of, some of the, the best final thoughts come with the least amount of words, Mike.

[02:35:20] Mike: Um, yeah. Um, interested to see where the journey with Harris and, uh, on in general, the whole journey. Yeah. You know, but I'm almost interested now this next step that we 

[02:35:36] Mike: are gonna start Yeah. With the 

[02:35:37] Mike: finances and see how that plays out from my perspective, from his perspective, from, you know, your perspective, from everybody.

[02:35:45] Mike: Yeah. I'm definitely interested to see that, you know, and how he's gonna navigate. Because I think there's a lot in any, anything you, you can do. Yeah. Anything that you do, which is to improve your quality of life. It's not like one thing that's being fixed, right? Yeah. It's like he's, uh, getting a voice with his dad, right?

[02:36:05] Mike: Yeah. Earning respect. Yeah. He's learning a valuable lesson. Like, like you have to think about it, but there's a lot of stuff that, yeah. There's a lot of. Goodies, you know? Yeah. A lot of good stuff. Yeah. Substance that can be extracted from this. Yeah. And I'm looking forward to seeing that. All right. And see how he does with that.

[02:36:23] Mike: So, do you 

[02:36:23] Eldar: want me to go? Yeah. I'm gonna roll off of what Mike said. I'm looking forward to the journey, and something else came to my mind. Right. And I'm gonna answer the question that was posed earlier. Totally said. Oh, you said you asked, Hey, like what, how would the approach look like if it wasn't, if Toley was riding with me and not have his own approach?

[02:36:43] Eldar: Right. Mm-hmm. And now I, the answer I think came to me now, it wouldn't be as good. Right. Um, professor Snape, the contrast is important. Mm-hmm. The reason why the contrast is important, because there's so many different walks of life. There's so many different people. I mean, but not really. Right. So there sh has, should be different approaches to things, right?

[02:37:05] Eldar: Mm-hmm. And the truth of the matter is when you have a contrast, you can always lean one back, back and forth from one, one place to another because we're so dynamic as people. Mm-hmm. One day he's gonna want his advice and he'll be there for him. 

[02:37:19] Mike: Mm-hmm. And 

[02:37:19] Eldar: it's gonna be the exact thing that he needed.

[02:37:21] Mike: Yeah. 

[02:37:21] Eldar: Right Now he's resonating with me a little bit more and that's okay. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Nonetheless, I think that the ping pong from back and forth, it's gonna be there. Yeah. You know what I mean? Whether or not toy's advice is he's ripe for toy's, advice or not, he is. Mm-hmm. The truth of the matter is Right.

[02:37:38] Eldar: What's being, what's gonna be born right from this whole thing is that Harris right. Is gonna develop his own approach 

[02:37:46] Eldar: mm-hmm. 

[02:37:47] Eldar: To things he is gonna take, he's gonna see his advice, your advice, my advice is gonna take a combination of all those things. 

[02:37:53] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[02:37:53] Eldar: If he develops into a better person and he is gonna come up with his own.

[02:37:58] Eldar: And that's gonna be his spin on 

[02:37:59] Toliy: these things. So you're saying that three advices are gonna have sex and turn into Harris. Yo. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What the fuck? The fuck? Fuck, man. Whoa. You whatcha trying six time of a bitch, man. Whatcha you brewing over there, man? Yeah. I so, so crazy. He's each one of your, uh, that's, that's 

[02:38:11] Eldar: some gay 

[02:38:12] Toliy: advice, man.

[02:38:12] Toliy: What I'm trying to say is 

[02:38:13] Eldar: that whatever he comes up with, if he succeeds in the things that he succeeds and he is able to pass down, it's gonna be his approach. 

[02:38:21] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[02:38:21] Eldar: And it's not gonna look like ours. And the combination of that is just gonna contribute to the already approach that there was. Mm-hmm.

[02:38:28] Eldar: And we can keep passing that on. And I think that passing on is the passing on of spreading it to, to the masses for the better. Hopefully for the progress Right. Where he lives, a life where he enjoys that he's living. 

[02:38:42] Harris: You gotta understand. Totally. Okay. I know you're not all in on the campaign trail, man.

[02:38:47] Harris: Damn. Okay. Yeah. But everything I learned from all of you guys when we spread Yes. To the world. Yes. I understand. 

[02:38:59] Eldar: Yeah, 

[02:39:00] Harris: I understand. You guys, all these old people in the White House, their pictures, they're going to be gone. 

[02:39:06] Eldar: Yeah. Erased 

[02:39:07] Harris: a royal family. 

[02:39:08] Eldar: There's gonna be only three people. Yeah. 

[02:39:11] Harris: Well, no, me, Mike, and totally.

[02:39:12] Harris: Well, yeah. And then I'll be at the end person. You'll be the I'll 

[02:39:15] Harris: be person. Be at the end. Yes. 

[02:39:16] Eldar: No, that's actually a living. We're just gonna be already passed on. And you're still the youngest person. You're not gonna have pictures of yourself. Yeah. Fuck. I'm gonna be at the end. No, remember you can't put a picture of yourself on up there.

[02:39:27] Eldar: I think think like how, you know, like Trump did that shit. You kind of fucking bullshit. No, what I'm saying is somebody else has should be like a line He did that. He did. Really? Yeah. To go against the reporters. 'cause all the reporters were posting the picture of him, his mugshot. So he took the mugshot and framed it and put it, uh, before the room of coming in.

[02:39:45] Eldar: No, I was gonna do like a, a line wait. Of his mugshot. 

[02:39:47] Harris: Of his mugshot. That's pretty funny though. It's funny. That's funny. Hold on, hold on. I'm gonna do like a line. He's drawing them. I was doing like a line of heritage, right? Yeah. It's gonna be you. The first one. Okay. The first one. Oh, I'm, I'm behind all the 

[02:39:58] Harris: other ones that I came from.

[02:40:00] Harris: Yeah. Well there's gonna be a line of like, heritage of where this came from. 

[02:40:03] Eldar: We have to track down the heritage where we're trying to do that today. 

[02:40:06] Harris: Yeah. Well there's gonna be like a line. Yes. And at the very end I'm gonna be there of what built me. Yes. The person I am. Yeah. And you're not gonna be dead man.

[02:40:14] Harris: You're still gonna be living when Fine. The White House is there, man. Okay, fine. We might have to freeze your ass, but it's gonna be alright. No problem. No problem. Hyper or whatever the fuck it's called. Hyper. Hyper. 

[02:40:25] Toliy: Yes. Hyper polygenic. Hyper comanche. Listen, 

[02:40:30] Eldar: all I'm saying is that the story is the story.

[02:40:33] Eldar: It's cool as fuck. Yeah. Who's got a better story? So this is interesting. Yeah, totally. Pass it on to you for the final thoughts. 

[02:40:42] Toliy: Yeah, I mean like, um, to me it's like always like, um, like, um, the, the, the process of learning for me is always like a very, um, 

[02:40:55] Eldar: interesting 

[02:40:55] Toliy: one. A very interesting one, not only for myself, but then the observation of others in the sense that like, um, like when I go through something that to me felt like it was pain painful.

[02:41:09] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[02:41:09] Toliy: My default is still at times is not to pass that pain to others. 

[02:41:13] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:41:14] Toliy: You know, and to figure out a way to like, um, I dunno, like learn a different way almost. Yeah. Right. Like that, that it's still at times like a feeling I have that it's very, very hard, hard to kick, you know? Um, 

[02:41:29] Eldar: but um, like,

[02:41:36] Eldar: yeah, like I don't have an argument as to like, what, what Harris 

[02:41:39] Toliy: is saying though. Like, like, like, like if I went through particular things and they helped me improve, then like, giving advice to other people to not do that. Like, like it's almost a bit. Counterintuitive, like intuitive. Intuitive. Mm-hmm. 

[02:41:56] Eldar: Yeah.

[02:41:56] Toliy: Two, two of them. But like, my mind can't help but to try to like, um, like, like is it like more of like, okay, like is like, like, does my mind like may, maybe it's because my mind is trying to go to like, okay, like we did it this way. Right. Um, can we optimize for a better way? I think we are. Versus like, is this just the way, and you don't need to go optimize for a better way, and that's like a waste of time almost.

[02:42:28] Eldar: Yeah. Right. I actually disagree. I think that he's developing, he's the one to develop the, the way, the new way, the optimization of our ways Yeah. He has to do it. Yeah. It's gonna be his way. Correct. 

[02:42:40] Toliy: Yeah. So, so yeah. For example is a pretty cool part. Yeah. So for example, like if, if, if that for example's, correct.

[02:42:46] Toliy: And like when it like relates to my, myself, right. Do I Yeah. Like to, to, to me it's like, part of it is like the putting down of, of like my own optimization. My own mind cannot stop right now from trying to figure out like a better way. Yeah. Yeah. You know? 

[02:43:03] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:43:03] Toliy: Um, so is it like the putting down of it is the embracing that like, like, um, I've always had fears of like death and like, you know Yeah.

[02:43:12] Toliy: Stuff like that. Yeah. Is it the embracing of just like the, this is the way and like this is it and, and, and like, um, like, um, one, once you embrace that, then you fully operate like Yeah. Within that and like immerse yourself within that, or do you continue to try to like, continue thinking to try to figure it out?

[02:43:34] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Right? But you have like a, like a continuous mountings of like, uh, failures. Mm-hmm. And figuring it out. Like, like it, like yeah. Like that, that to me is a little bit of like a internal like, um, struggle, if you want to say it. Of like, is the, like, do you continue to try to optimize and figure it out to maybe figure out something like better that will then like be like forever better?

[02:44:01] Toliy: Like Yeah, like, you know, like, like in like a, like not a different way, but like a, like a better way. Like, is that our job as people is to figure out, like, continues to try to figure out a better way? Or is there just a way and then the, the faster that you line up with the way is like that the, that's it, that's a good 

[02:44:22] Eldar: question.

[02:44:22] Eldar: Right? Yeah. 

[02:44:23] Toliy: Or is it, like you said, like the future, like the generation like Harris, they're supposed to continue to optimize Yeah. Better ways the way Yeah. They're supposed to. Yeah. And they're supposed to, to, to re re recreate the way Yeah. Right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Because yeah, like that. So that, that to me is like a little bit of like a, uh, conundrum.

[02:44:41] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. Like a little bit of conundrum. I'm, I'm like, I mean like, I'm only a little bit older than like Harris, and then you, you, you and Mike are like older than like me, right? Yeah. So, but like, um, yeah, like that that, that to me is like the, uh, the thing always in my head is that like, like, like either I have like a denial of like, okay, like there's the way and that's it.

[02:45:04] Toliy: Yeah. Or is there, is there like, yeah. Yeah. So like, I think 

[02:45:08] Mike: I, I think, uh, like two, two things about this, um, when you, when you first like, uh, Eldar was kind of like, you had, like, as you say, El started, you know, discovering this on his own, then you, you know, started getting knowledge from Eldar, right? You started like getting information from him and that helped shaped you.

[02:45:28] Mike: Right? Then I came around, I started getting knowledge from both of you. Um, but you came before that. Yeah. But like, uh, maybe not. Were 

[02:45:35] Eldar: receptive but not as 

[02:45:36] Mike: receptive. Yeah. And I think now Harris has three of us. Yeah. I think all the three of us are gonna mold him differently than if it was just you two.

[02:45:45] Mike: That's right. Because I have my own like. Personality. He's, he's the most hybrid out of all of us. He's a Yeah, 

[02:45:49] Eldar: yeah. Would would, would you say that? Yeah. 

[02:45:51] Mike: Yeah. And I think he's gonna be, let's say the fourth person. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And if there's a fifth person that comes along, he's gonna be a hybrid of us all four.

[02:45:58] Mike: If we're all in sync, kind of Yeah. On, in tune and like what we believe in ultimately and what we envision. Right. He's supposed to be level above us. Yeah. 

[02:46:08] Eldar: By far. 

[02:46:08] Mike: Yeah. Because he has three dads, let's just call it that. Like he used likes to say. Yeah. He has three people helping him, three different versions so he could take the best of us.

[02:46:15] Mike: Yes. Uh, and supersedes by far. Supersedes Yeah, by far. But, uh, which the jury's still out. We're gonna see whether or not this is gonna happen. Well, I do think a really good thing or not a really good thing. Uh, a very interesting thing is 

[02:46:31] Eldar: that, um, your approach, right? 

[02:46:37] Mike: Like I do think it's very important, even though in the moment, obviously I, a lot of times you protect, I disagree, right?

[02:46:45] Mike: Yeah. But I do think because, uh, what your approach does, it also does expedite because you, like, I think it would be more helpful if you were more maybe okay with being like the bad guy and, and, and leading with it. And not, um, 

[02:47:03] Harris: protesting. 

[02:47:04] Mike: And not protesting. Like, you like that guy Snape, like he took the heat.

[02:47:08] Mike: Yeah. He's like, I'll be the villain. Because I do think what you do is you push people buttons much faster and you help them to kind of expedite that. Expedite that, and then they go to Eldar, for example. Sure. They go to Ldar. Yeah. But you help the expedite the process of bring their worst qualities and the worst things that they're facing before 

[02:47:25] Harris: I, if you notice before I even get kind of pissed a lot of times now.

[02:47:29] Harris: Yeah. Yeah. I look to Ldar. 

[02:47:31] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:47:31] Harris: And he is like, yo, yeah. He's testing you. Yes. Keep your cool. 

[02:47:35] Eldar: Yeah. He's getting you there. 

[02:47:37] Toliy: Yeah. JJ just like, for, for, for me and my, and like, like if I like, like if I think about it and I like look back, right? I, I just feel that like, like for, for me, it's a matter of like, okay.

[02:47:50] Toliy: Like I, I view it as that. Like, like once I started like, like, like Eldar challenge, like, um, um, he challenged me along the way in like particular ways, right? And then like, um, like I felt like he gave me an opportunity to like, see certain things and understand certain things and like, um, get like, like, like I feel like he, he helped me get opportunity.

[02:48:17] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[02:48:17] Eldar: Like an 

[02:48:17] Toliy: opportunity that I didn't think, um, existed, you know? Mm-hmm. And then like, like, um, I mean, I'm definitely not like a no nowhere near like a complete product or, or, or anything like that. But I feel like that like, like if I don't like it, it, it, it's like a weird thing about like, like it is like do, like did I break through on something and then like, do I need to circle back with the same, like, like that, that's why I was asking about the, um, like, like 1, 1, 1 of the reasons I was asking about the, um, like, um, would, would the school be more effective if there was a unified voice?

[02:48:59] Toliy: Like more, more closely unified because like is like, like if we wanna say quote unquote suc su success, like, it, it it, like, is it for like a student to like, for example, like realize particular things and like, to, to, to, to me, I remember at some point the realization of things. It, I like it, it definitely created like, like, um, like, uh, anger in me.

[02:49:27] Toliy: Like, I was upset that like, yo, like shit's fucked up. You know? Like, how the fuck is everyone doing all this shit? Mm-hmm. Like, like, like how are we taught all these things? How do we get to this point where like, like, mm-hmm. Like, like I just remember getting like a rage from, from, from it. Like, I, like I was upset that like.

[02:49:45] Toliy: Like, hey, like there's like a truth to this or like, like way of living and way of doing things. And then like, like no one like told you any of this shit. Like, like, like what the fuck? You know? Mm. Like, mm. Yeah. Like how, how, like how could this happen? You missed out. You missed out. Yeah. Like, how could this happen?

[02:50:00] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah. Um, and I, I, I remember for a long, like, not mean I, I, I don't remember how, how long it was, but I remember being like enraged out that like, like, like I almost felt that like, I was like mi misguided, you know? For like Yeah. But you had those things. You had those things when 

[02:50:17] Eldar: you like maybe 23, 24, 25, and I'm like, bro, like you were early to this shit.

[02:50:24] Toliy: Well, well no, I, I understand that now. Yeah. But then I'm like, yo, like, like, like how are we so misguided? Like how did ev how is everybody under the wrong impressions? Mm-hmm. I'm like, all of these things and I was furious. Yeah. Right. So the, uh, the point I'm trying to drive is that like, now in like the, the, the, um, the phase I am now like, like is success for me to, to then tie it back and to have a unified like voice in like, that that, that like I, is that the, um, like the display of understanding, you know, to, to the initial teachings that I was being taught because like to, to, to, to me, I'm thinking that like, if I don't, like if, if, if my approach is different and it's leading towards like some like, uh, ne like a negative thoughts or like negative like Yeah, just, just in general, like situations or actions that, like is there something that like I got, but I need to loop back to learn correctly.

[02:51:27] Toliy: Like, do, do you, do you know what I'm saying? No, I, yeah, I know 

[02:51:29] Eldar: what he's saying. And I think that, sorry, my, and I think that, um, no, you should definitely, um, find a way to be able to leverage both. 

[02:51:41] Mike: Yeah, 

[02:51:43] Eldar: I, uh, both, both mine. Mm-hmm. If you understood it. Yeah. If you know how to use it. Yeah. And yours, I do think, 'cause I think both live in a very specific time and, you know, where there's necessity for both.

[02:51:55] Toliy: Yeah. 

[02:51:56] Eldar: At the right timing. 

[02:51:57] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[02:51:57] Eldar: Gotta be careful there. Yeah. Because 

[02:51:58] Toliy: I felt that like the, um, like, like with, with the, uh, there's gonna be a moment Yeah. 

[02:52:04] Eldar: Where I'm gonna tell him he can't, I can't help him anymore in sales. Yeah. Because he's gonna have questions for me that I'm not gonna be able to answer.

[02:52:13] Eldar: I know that cap, there's only one person who's gonna be able to go to Totally. 

[02:52:18] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[02:52:19] Eldar: I know this for a fact. Mm-hmm. You can't tell me otherwise. Mm-hmm. I know this, but I need him to get there and start asking those questions. Mm-hmm. He's not asking those questions. He's a loser. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean?

[02:52:30] Eldar: He's asking very basic stuff right now. Mm-hmm. But he will get there and when he does mm-hmm. I'm gonna say, bro, I don't know it, you know who does? It's that guy. 

[02:52:38] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[02:52:40] Eldar: And now you have to ask the right questions to him mm-hmm. In order to qualify his gate to get there. And that's what his approach is gonna be necessary.

[02:52:48] Eldar: 'cause I'm gonna be useless to be able to take them of what they're gonna have mm-hmm. To the next level. 

[02:52:54] Harris: Mm-hmm. 

[02:52:56] Eldar: To bridge that whole gap. 

[02:52:57] Harris: Yeah. And then we're gonna conquer the company. We can conquer the world. Yeah. It's 

[02:53:02] Eldar: not the, not the company. Yeah. But we're gonna, I'm not sure, I'm not sure if it ends with you to conquer it.

[02:53:07] Eldar: Mm-hmm. It might be more people. Yeah. I don't know who those people are. It might be Jared. It might be terror. What? Talking about, I'm just saying I know you want keep Tara in prison 

[02:53:16] Harris: to help me. Uh, 

[02:53:18] Eldar: what? To help me. No Ascend. Well help you like have a fucking thing, you know, command center. You know, I'm not sure if it just ends with us.

[02:53:27] Eldar: Jared, 

[02:53:27] Harris: security man. You threw him under the bus with that. Yeah, man. Yeah. Well, no, the lowkey Jared insists he's right here. Yeah. Got thing 

[02:53:35] Eldar: man. He has, you know, a specific thing. He might be good for some, some brainiac stuff. You just haven't unlocked it yet. 

[02:53:43] Mike: Go ahead. I was, uh, thinking like with to Toley toy's approach mm-hmm.

[02:53:49] Mike: Um, the, like, the refinement of it mm-hmm. Is like, I think, uh, he has, he still holds like an attachment 

[02:53:58] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:53:58] Mike: To that thing. Yeah. And he has the judgment on it. 

[02:54:01] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:54:02] Mike: And I think if he was able to let that go Correct. Be he would find his like crazy. He'll 

[02:54:06] Mike: be snake. Yeah. 

[02:54:06] Eldar: Yeah. And, and that's gonna be overall the most selfless Yeah.

[02:54:11] Eldar: Type of an approach. Because Snape is doing everything underneath the breath. Yeah. And everybody's right bro has an impression that they're bad, bro. Nobody understands it. This is another thing from Socrates, the right thing I just 

[02:54:22] Mike: remembered. 

[02:54:22] Eldar: Okay. 

[02:54:23] Mike: They had this thing, see, you have good memory. I have good memory.

[02:54:26] Mike: You have this for this. Have I listen to the Republic like many, many times. Okay. Um, yeah. There's this, there's this, they're telling a story Yeah. Of what they had the plan to like do, do get these people Uhhuh, um, to test them. Yeah. Right. And they, they were talking about this experiment they're gonna do, or like this thing, I don't remember it very well, but Yeah.

[02:54:45] Mike: They're talking about what they're gonna do is they're gonna make the person Uhhuh who's the best, best person 

[02:54:50] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:54:50] Mike: Out of all. But they're gonna make 'em look as the worst person. Okay. But he's gonna be actually the best. Okay. And they're gonna test his character on purpose. On purpose. Yeah. To see, like, to see if he's made out of like that material.

[02:55:02] Mike: Yeah. And that's like kind of what, what we're talking about, like Yeah. Totally. Has good intentions. Yeah. But he's perceived a lot of time as the, like the really bad guy. Correct. But like, uh, in the process, they're testing the person Yeah. To see, oh. Like, you know, he's saying like, silver, gold, bronze Yeah.

[02:55:19] Mike: Character, right? Yeah. They were, they're using those words and I think that's sick. Like a Yeah. Sick thing. But made me think about that in disguise. And I think that's probably the, they have to make everybody look at him as like the worst person ever. Yeah. But they have to test his like commitments to virtue and value and everything.

[02:55:37] Mike: Yeah. And then they're gonna say, okay, this motherfucker is actually a gold person. He's ready to be a leader. 

[02:55:43] Eldar: Well, in this case, right. Like I said, he, he might be, have to make that decision for himself. Yeah. Where, where he's like, okay, cool. Well, yeah, 

[02:55:50] Mike: they're talking about the public, how to build it. Yes.

[02:55:52] Eldar: Yeah. The, he might have to be like, I, I have to be the snape guy. Right? Yeah. Where everyone perceives me as this dark guy. Mm-hmm. Do the right thing mm-hmm. At all times. Yeah. Right. Despite the fact that it might be perceived as really bad. Mm-hmm. Right. And if I never get credit for it mm-hmm. It's like planting a tree Yeah.

[02:56:08] Eldar: That you'll never sit Yes. Under the shade of a hundred 

[02:56:10] Mike: percent. Yeah. 

[02:56:12] Eldar: Right. That's ultimate because the tree is tiny. Right. And then you die and the tree becomes big. Yeah. And finally you can sit under the shade, but you're not there, not there anymore. Mm-hmm. Right. That's kind of the thing. 

[02:56:22] Harris: Yeah. Right.

[02:56:23] Harris: Well, you in love with my mama. Were you banging her in high school? Man? 

[02:56:28] Toliy: Prob probably, yeah. Press a snake over there. Yeah. Like, or, or me. It just feels that like, um, like, um, 

[02:56:39] Eldar: um, fuck. What was gonna say? We talked about you being a snape, a true snape. Mm-hmm. Professor Snape.

[02:56:51] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. I just feel like may, may, maybe it's, um, some point like, like through, through all the collective conversations and like everything, like I feel like, like, uh, uh, uh, uh, at least the way I feel like about it, like, um, internally, is that like, I feel like I got exposed to, to like, um, like a crazy form of like truth, you know?

[02:57:16] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Of like the feeling of truth. Mm-hmm. You know? But I always had like, for the good and bad, I always feel that like I had like a, uh, like I have like a crazy. Um, exaggerated imagination. 

[02:57:29] Eldar: Oh, for 

[02:57:30] Toliy: the good and bad. 

[02:57:30] Eldar: Okay. Right. Well, this has challenges you that good and bad doesn't even exist. 

[02:57:35] Toliy: Well, 

[02:57:35] Eldar: um, um, but that's, that's that's the line that we're trying to draw though.

[02:57:40] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. Well, well, well, well, yeah, but I'm saying is that like the, the way I sometimes act is that like, um, for me it's at, at like, at times because like, the truth to me, like, um, like because of my imagination for like the good and for like the, uh, the, uh, bad. Mm-hmm. Right? It feels that like, um, like, um, how do I say it?

[02:58:08] Toliy: Like, um, yeah, like it, it, it's, it's, it's weird because the, the way, like, I feel like I sometimes like think or act like I am, um, like I feel like I need to safeguard and gate keep like the, the, uh, the, uh, the, and, and like protect the truth in the moment 

[02:58:25] Eldar: Hmm. 

[02:58:26] Toliy: Of it. 

[02:58:26] Eldar: Hmm. 

[02:58:27] Toliy: But, um, but the exaggerated imagination, yeah.

[02:58:33] Toliy: Like if, if it feels like it doesn't allow me to, to like put it down and just to Yeah. Like what, what, what you were saying, like the, um, like the put putting of like putting down of that and just, um, like em, um, embracing like that there, there's need either like o of of it in that kind of way. 

[02:58:57] Eldar: Mm. 

[02:58:57] Toliy: But in like, the moments, it feels like the, uh, like, like it, it needs to be upheld and it needs to be gate kept.

[02:59:05] Toliy: Mm. And, and like, like ego, it has to be a black and white picture. The ego. Yeah. The ego needs to be destroyed at all costs at all times. 

[02:59:12] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[02:59:13] Toliy: Because that's the only way to get to the, uh, truth. Mm-hmm. But that's an exaggerated 

[02:59:17] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:59:18] Toliy: Version of it. Yeah. 

[02:59:19] Eldar: Yeah. It, 

[02:59:20] Toliy: it, it's, it's, it's like a, um. Like it, it doesn't like that.

[02:59:26] Toliy: That could be true. 

[02:59:27] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:59:27] Toliy: But it doesn't incorporate hu humanness in them. Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[02:59:31] Eldar: Yeah, yeah. 

[02:59:32] Toliy: You know? 'cause the, the need to enforce the, the highest level of standard at all times of awareness, like, um, 

[02:59:44] Eldar: it's heavy. 

[02:59:45] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. It's a heavy burden. Well, well, well, yeah. It's a heavy burden. Not like, not, not from my end.

[02:59:50] Toliy: It's a heavy burden from the person who's who, who's like receiving it. Of course. Right. Of course. Of, of like, but for you too, to 

[02:59:56] Eldar: uphold that and 

[02:59:57] Toliy: keep that accountability. Well, well, yeah. And there's gonna be a natural clash there because a person's like, yo, I'm not trying to fucking do that, do all that.

[03:00:03] Toliy: And me, it's like, what do you mean you're not trying to do that? Like, yeah. This is what you should be doing. This need to die right now. Yes. We can't let this continue. That's right. You know? That's right. So I have a natural feeling at times to to always at all times destroy the ego at all times. Because like, I also found that like throughout my, my, my own process of having a bunch of ego at all times and how like that is a detriment to Yeah.

[03:00:27] Toliy: Learning and to growth progression in, in general. Yeah. So it's almost like, like the need to protect that kind of like, uh, like opportunity for others. Um, but it's the non InCorp, but it's, it's the non understanding in those moments and the not incorporating that. Like, you don't need to win, like so-called.

[03:00:50] Toliy: Right. Um, at every moment, at every time. Yeah. You can let the ego pretend like he's strong and good. Yeah. But like Yeah. In the background, like he has not nothing to stand on. 

[03:01:02] Eldar: Yeah. 

[03:01:02] Toliy: You know? And I feel like that, that that's what you'll do, is that you'll let the ego think that like, he's trapped. He, he got every gun in the like, like in Yeah.

[03:01:12] Toliy: In the world. Yeah. And then when he actually has to use those guns, there's nothing there. They all just like turn into sand. Yeah. You know? 

[03:01:18] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. 

[03:01:24] Eldar: Is that the final thoughts? Yeah. Holy fuck. Yeah. Harris, 

[03:01:29] Harris: do you take that? 

[03:01:30] Eldar: Uh, 

[03:01:31] Harris: I take it. You take it. Too much for hers. Too much for, that's it. Yeah, that's it.

[03:01:34] Harris: We're done. Yeah. My brain is, 

[03:01:36] Eldar: we're done, guys. Good. I think this was awesome as always. I think this was awesome. 

[03:01:40] Mike: Yeah. 

[03:01:41] Eldar: Thank you so much

[03:01:45] Warren: You.