170. Limitless Motivation: Overcoming Procrastination and Anxiety

Do you actually want that which you say you do? 

In this week's episode, the host delves into finding the elusive 'limitless fuel' that drives sustained motivation and creativity. They explore the metaphorical battle of moving upstream, dealing with ongoing responsibilities, and the challenges of balancing current obligations with future aspirations. The conversation touches on the importance of curiosity, practical steps for achieving success, and the impact of mental and physical well-being on productivity. Emphasis is placed on identifying and removing negative influences, focusing on tangible progress, and the value of creating systems that align with one's genuine interests and energy.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction: Seeking Limitless Fuel
• 2:59 Balancing Current Responsibilities and Future Goals
• 5:52 Defining Success: Money vs. Solving Real Problems
• 12:34 Evergreen Solutions in Business
• 25:53 Finding Limitless Energy and Motivation
• 34:59 Struggling with Internal Challenges
• 38:43 Curiosity and Success
• 41:48 Implementing Ideas and Overcoming Obstacles
• 47:27 Practical Steps and Experimentation
• 1:07:39 Final Thoughts and Encouragement

Transcript

[00:00:00] Dennis: On this week's episode, 

[00:00:01] Toliy: I'd like to somehow figure out how do I get to that point where I have that limitless fuel. I'm figuring something out and I'm like thoroughly enjoying myself while figuring it out. And nothing else like matters. 

[00:00:13] Eldar: You haven't discriminated enough against the noise that you have in your mind.

[00:00:16] Eldar: I did. You choose to still entertain the noise? Yeah. You know what I mean? The noise that serves you and the noise that doesn't serve you. You just like to paint like empty pictures, bro. I do. Get the brushes, get the fucking canvas, get the paint, and put something on the fucking board for, for now. You're just like, wouldn't this be cool,

[00:00:43] Eldar: bro? What's your problem? Huh? 

[00:00:46] Toliy: What isn't my problem? You know, I don't even know, know how to go about like, uh, saying, 

[00:00:51] Eldar: saying it. Yeah. Like, well, it's the same thing that you've been talking about, right? You have like, this thing that's failure to launch, you've realized a bunch of shit Yeah. About yourself, about the world.

[00:01:01] Toliy: Yeah. Like part part of it is like, yeah, it feels like I'm like a mo moving like upstream and I'm batting against like a current, and I felt like that for a long time on like a number of different things. Mm-hmm. You know, but on this topic of like sales expansion, different things mm-hmm. You know, I don't know, getting healthy, like all, all these kinds of things.

[00:01:27] Toliy: It's definitely been the same story for a long time. A hundred percent. You know, and every time I'm doing these things, like, I'm like, I'm always back going up the current. And I, and I'm, I'm, I'm not sure if that's like. How it's supposed to be, or that's like a, um, or, or, or, or maybe I'm putting myself in particular positions or doing things a particular way where that, well, where that's how it's playing out, you know?

[00:01:53] Toliy: But like, I'm constantly like unhappy with things and then I'm trying to change them, and then I'll go spend a good amount of time, especially my off time, learning about different things, talking to different people, figuring out different ways. But then I come back to it where it's like, like, um, where yeah, like, like maybe there's learnings happening through failure, but there's still in my mind like failure and there's not that feeling of like, okay, 

[00:02:22] Toliy: okay, 

[00:02:23] Toliy: you landed one of these cu like for, for, for example, let's just say like, oh wow, you got some of these people to reply.

[00:02:30] Toliy: Oh wow. You got one person to become a customer through this. Mm-hmm. Okay. Now you can build off of this, or now you can chip away at something. Or now that you can, like, maybe you found something, now you're gonna, um, increase the numbers to test the theory more. And then you test the theory more and more people replied and mm-hmm.

[00:02:48] Toliy: More people bought. Right. And now you're like, wait, I just figured something out. Okay. Right. Be, be before you know it. Like, like that's kind of what I've been wanting for, for a long time. Mm-hmm. You know? Um, but then I get like the busyness of like my, my like, already, um, like made responsibilities of like the ways that like, um, like the things that we've been doing for, for a long time, right?

[00:03:12] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Tho those are like, like a necessary like, um, thing to like do, but it's also something that like weighs down in the process of this. And it's like the constant, like battle is between like current responsibilities and future things. What's the battle? What, what's the actual battle? It, it's like a battle for like positioning where it's like, if you're not getting like, tangible progress right now, but you need tangible proce like, like progress now.

[00:03:45] Toliy: Because like from like a sales perspective, like you need to close deals. Like you need to, to get shit moving. Yeah. But then like, there's like, like, and, and, and like that mind is like, like when I'm doing those tasks, it's like a busyness of tasks, but I'm not like really creatively thinking on like a high level.

[00:04:04] Toliy: Sure. Yeah. You know? 'cause I don't need to u use that like part of my brain for that. But then there's like a different part of my brain that like is used for like creative thinking and like creating a scenario or maybe like creating some kind of system or like changing some things around. Right. Or like learning about something new.

[00:04:23] Toliy: Mm-hmm. That like, that it's like a higher level of thinking that you need to be in like. A good mental shape and place at that time. 

[00:04:30] Toliy: Okay. 

[00:04:30] Toliy: And feel good, right. To be able to operate like properly. 

[00:04:34] Toliy: Okay. 

[00:04:37] Toliy: Um,

[00:04:40] Toliy: so like, obviously I just went on this quest with these like people to try to find someone that's gonna help with marketing efforts. Obviously I was unsuccessful in doing so. Mm-hmm. Obviously, like I feel like I wasted a bunch of money and time doing so. Yeah. But you learned 

[00:04:56] Eldar: something. Yeah. So you probably went for the wrong, you went and got something else that you needed to get, but you didn't get what you quote unquote wanted.

[00:05:06] Eldar: Yeah. But you, you say a lot of times that you fall into these traps of like the thing that you actually want is not the thing you actually need. The thing that you actually want is Well, um. Right. And I think that this maybe have helped you there. Right. For example, the thing that you wanted was clients very specific, you know.

[00:05:26] Eldar: Titles, uh, dollar amount. Right. And to, to book those kinds of leads. Right. That's what you wanted Yeah. To come through the door and have those conversations. Yeah. But instead you got something that potentially can empower you. Right. Even, even better. 

[00:05:41] Toliy: Right. Well, it, it could potentially like empower me and then I, and then like, it, it, it also like sub subjected a few internal questions that I need to make sure that I feel like I answer correctly myself.

[00:05:52] Toliy: Right. Like, what, what am I after, right? Mm-hmm. Am I after bigger deals and more money, or am I after like solving a real problem? 

[00:06:02] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm. 

[00:06:05] Toliy: Um, communicating how I'm going to help solve that problem. Mm-hmm. Correctly documenting all that. Mm-hmm. And having real life solutions for people to use that are then going to sell themselves in the process that will then lead to all those other things we're talking about.

[00:06:23] Toliy: Okay. Right. Yeah. It's like. Um, what, what are you after? Are you after like money and expansion, or are you going about it when it comes to like solving like a real problem and, and like, um, yeah, going about it that way and the, those other things naturally. So 

[00:06:40] Eldar: when you ask, so when you ask these questions yourself, what do you get?

[00:06:45] Eldar: What do you, what do you mean? Like, like what do you get when you ask like, what are you after? Like, what are you after? You're asking me, right? Yeah. When you ask yourself those questions, am I after this or I'm after that, I'm after this. Like, what do you answer to yourself? What do you want? 

[00:06:59] Toliy: So from like a, like a lazy perspective, it's like I know that we can help, um, some people do particular things.

[00:07:06] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:07:07] Toliy: Right? And I know that I can speak to people and have particular conversations that will get them, that will have them convert and book with us. Mm-hmm. Right? Um, but am my like, sitting here armed with like, like. Deep research and content that I'm creating? No. Or like things or like No. Unbelievably working with you to create these unbelievably creative no weapons for people to use.

[00:07:31] Toliy: No. Right. Yeah. So like to stand out out there. So how 

[00:07:34] Eldar: can, yeah. Okay. So based on what you said, you can't even ask your question. Uh, answer the question like, I'm trying to help people. 

[00:07:40] Toliy: Yeah. Like underlyingly. I am. But that's a lazy, the underlying thing is a lazy way. The, the, the like, what, what, what this all made me, um, um, understand is that that needs to be the main thing of what I'm leading with.

[00:07:54] Toliy: And then the other, um, things will, will, will come with it. 'cause they're inevitable. Yeah. But if you're 

[00:08:00] Eldar: not actually doing those things, right, if you're not actually helping people or you don't even know how to properly help people, how can you ever de ever demand from yourself or have that expectation that you're going to help people?

[00:08:13] Toliy: Uh, uh, how can I, like, well, well, well, no, I'm saying like obviously I do want to No, 

[00:08:18] Eldar: sure. You want to, but like. You don't have the, like, there's prerequisites to that and like, you haven't accomplished the prerequisites. 

[00:08:26] Toliy: Well, yeah. 

[00:08:27] Eldar: What the hell? So like, it's like, yeah, you're taking a step, you want to jump over the steps.

[00:08:31] Eldar: Like you have step 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. You're just like, oh, I'm gonna just leap. I'm gonna go to six. 

[00:08:35] Toliy: Well, I wanna work on all these steps at the same time. But it's proven. Yeah. It's proving it, it always proved to be that it's not, uh, like, like it's not doable. 

[00:08:45] Eldar: Yeah. It's not, that's not how the wor how it works.

[00:08:48] Eldar: Yeah. Like if you said to me like, uh, this, this just came to me and said, uh, instead of helping people, I just wanna raise awareness that we exist to people. Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah. That's it. I just wanna raise awareness, right? If some people didn't know that this type of company existed and these are the type of services that are being, um, offered, I'd like to make them aware that we do.

[00:09:15] Toliy: Yeah. What 

[00:09:15] Eldar: they do with it, it's on them. It's up to them. That's it. Yeah. Right. So it's not a direct like, hey, like now I have the actual tools. I have this tool that I know a hundred percent will work for this individual. I'm gonna give this tool to them. They're gonna give me money, and it's gonna be a perfectly symbiotic relationship.

[00:09:34] Eldar: And, and everybody blossoms. Like the truth of the matter is that you don't have this and you trying to set expectations around this specific little fairytale that you've created in your mind. If you reduce that and say, you know what, I'm just gonna make awareness, raise awareness of people that we hear and we exist, how does that change the dynamic and how does that change your goals or aspirations?

[00:09:58] Eldar: Um, to 

[00:10:00] Toliy: just to let people know that we exist. Yeah. Well then like I, I don't see how that could be like the primary driving force behind it, because then you're relying on people to understand like. What they need to do while using you as just, just like a, a vessel. Mm-hmm. To get some whatever outcome that they're looking to get.

[00:10:25] Eldar: Correct. But isn't that where we thrive right now?

[00:10:31] Toliy: Well, that, that it's like where we're at right now. Yeah. 

[00:10:33] Eldar: Yeah. But it's a realistic thing, right? It's a realistic outcome. 

[00:10:38] Toliy: Well, yeah. And it's happening. 

[00:10:39] Eldar: Yeah, 

[00:10:40] Toliy: yeah. 

[00:10:40] Eldar: You know? 

[00:10:41] Toliy: Yeah. But Yeah, but understand like what, what's the point of like what you're saying, what I'm, 

[00:10:45] Eldar: what the point of the, of that is, is that like we actually have a realistic expectation when we set a realistic goal.

[00:10:53] Eldar: You know what I'm saying? I'm just giving you an example that it's very, if it's, if you reduce it to that, you might be able to reduce it. Like if, if going from what you want is level five, and what I said was level one, maybe you could find something in between, right. And be successful and find more realistic path to victory for yourself.

[00:11:11] Eldar: You know what I'm saying? But how, how would that 

[00:11:13] Toliy: gimme me 

[00:11:13] Eldar: a path to victory? You're taking the right steps, the slow steps. If, for example, the next step, I don't know what the next step, I have to think about it, but if the next step of, uh, after raising awareness that we exist to the clients is what would be more 

[00:11:27] Toliy: like feasible step,

[00:11:32] Eldar: I don't know. You probably know better. What are some questions that clients ask us that will, they didn't know, and we have to kind of raise awareness on that thing and they're like, oh, wow, I didn't know that. You know, like, you know what I'm saying?

[00:11:48] Toliy: No. Like, 

[00:11:48] Toliy: I'm, I'm viewing it as that. Like, if you, um, if you reflect on the ways that, um, like, like if you're a business, right? Mm-hmm. What, whatever things that you do that helps people that actually works, right? If you're very good at, at, at showing that to them, and then you're coming up with, um. Creative content that fuels their ideas.

[00:12:17] Toliy: They one, wanna be a part of that and two, because, um, they're not, yeah, 

[00:12:22] Eldar: but how, but how can you fit, how can you create something like that that's gonna fit all the molds that are out there? You know what I mean? Like, 

[00:12:29] Toliy: oh, well, like, I mean, like, there's like, like, wait, what do you, what do you mean by that though?

[00:12:34] Toliy: Like, like for example, um, let's just say like in industry, like real estate. Mm-hmm. Right. There's particular things that happen there. Mm-hmm. And they happen all over countrywide to all different types of, of like teams and agents and companies. Mm-hmm. And these events are like, like there's something like, uh, I mean like, it's a, uh, a gardening expression, like a, um, expression.

[00:13:00] Toliy: It's also a sales expression, like evergreen. Right? 

[00:13:02] Toliy: Okay. 

[00:13:03] Toliy: There's evergreen like trees and bushes and stuff like that, right? Yeah. They're year round. Mm-hmm. So in sales, like if you're talking about an evergreen event, 

[00:13:09] Toliy: yeah. 

[00:13:10] Toliy: If you're targeting something that's evergreen. Mm-hmm. Right? It's something that's happening every single day, every single month, year round.

[00:13:17] Toliy: All, all over. Now, there's some industries that like, you know, maybe winter time it's dead. Like landscaping. 

[00:13:21] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:13:22] Toliy: Maybe they do something else like shoveling snow. Snow. 

[00:13:23] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:13:24] Toliy: But landscaping isn't evergreen in New Jersey. You're not gonna landscape 12 months a year, but in Florida you might. In Florida you might.

[00:13:30] Toliy: Yeah. Right. But specifically in New Jersey, that's not an evergreen business. 

[00:13:33] Toliy: Okay. 

[00:13:33] Toliy: Real estate's an evergreen business. 

[00:13:35] Toliy: Okay. 

[00:13:35] Toliy: For, for example, 

[00:13:36] Toliy: okay. 

[00:13:37] Toliy: People are gonna sell and buy every single day, every single month. Sure. Forever. 

[00:13:41] Toliy: Okay. 

[00:13:41] Toliy: So like there's particular events that happen. You already know what the events are.

[00:13:47] Toliy: There's plenty of opportunities where you could, for example, like interview people to see like, hey, like what are the struggles? Like you can figure all that out. Like what are the problems? And then whatever. Um, problem that you help solve or what? Whatever help, like solution you help solve. If you have an arsenal of all these things that people are saying, like, Hey, I keep going to bat, like the, uh, the metaphor here is Right.

[00:14:08] Toliy: I keep going to battle and I lose every time. Like, let's just say like keep sending all these postcards out. Right. And they're not doing shit. Yeah. Right. Well, you might have the right sentiment, for example, like you send them out when you sell a property. Mm-hmm. Maybe your sentiment as to when you're doing this is correct.

[00:14:24] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:14:24] Toliy: But what you're doing doesn't stand out. It's not eye-catching. Mm-hmm. Has no call to action to it. It has no like, substance to it. Mm-hmm. It just is a bland mo like all these marketers who are just sending out all this like spam, like spammy stuff. Mm-hmm. It might as well just be empty pieces of paper.

[00:14:42] Toliy: Yeah. With nothing on it. Yeah. Just for people to throw out right away. Yeah. Save the ink. Yeah. Don't even print on it. Yeah. You know, um, you probably get a better reply rate if you just wrote your name on it and phone number and that's it. 

[00:14:53] Toliy: Mm-hmm. You know. Okay. 

[00:14:56] Toliy: Um, so my point is that like the sentiment, for example, in that case is correct, but then you have a person that, that like doesn't have the right weapons mm-hmm.

[00:15:04] Toliy: To fight the battle they're trying to fight is to fight for people's, um, attention. 

[00:15:09] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:15:09] Toliy: And then, and then to, to fight for people to take action, for example, afterwards. Right. Once you get their attention. 

[00:15:16] Toliy: Okay. 

[00:15:16] Toliy: So if you have extremely creative ways to communicate the proper things to get those types of outcomes, you could, um, explain that properly to people, show them that, um, and then help them utilize those things to achieve success.

[00:15:34] Eldar: Okay. And what then, what's your intention here? Like, what do you want to then accomplish? 

[00:15:40] Toliy: Well, I think by having a superior by, by having a, a very good solution. Like if you have a very good solution for a very good problem combined with a creative way of marketing it. You should be in a you, you should be hitting home.

[00:15:56] Toliy: Home runs here. Okay. So then what's holding you back 

[00:15:58] Eldar: from doing this? 

[00:15:59] Toliy: Well, that's what I'm realizing now a bit is is um, is that like, um, like to maybe build it from the b bottom up in that kind of way? 

[00:16:10] Eldar: Yep. What's holding you back though? You didn't answer the question build well. Like is it scary to build it from the ground up?

[00:16:14] Eldar: Well, 

[00:16:14] Toliy: it's, it's scary for me to like, yeah, build it from the ground up. Why manage it myself? Um, 

[00:16:20] Eldar: yeah. 

[00:16:20] Toliy: But why? 

[00:16:21] Eldar: Well if you know, it works like well, well no, like I'm challenging you and saying, look, you could just reduce the shit to just making awareness that we exist. And you're like, yo, I get it. Like, that's just what we're doing already.

[00:16:31] Eldar: Like more just regular, like, you know, marketing or just like raising awareness that we exist. It's like weak. You know what I mean? So then like the next best step you're saying is like, look, we know the solution. We have the solution. We can guide these people into solution. We just need to create this solution and then market it creatively.

[00:16:51] Eldar: And then that's the win. What part of that is scary or not doable? 

[00:16:56] Toliy: Well, like I tend to get overwhelmed when there's like a lot of combination of like, desires to create those things. Meshed in with like, I don't know, let's just say they're like poor health, poor sleep, general life problems. Um, like yeah, but what, how are current?

[00:17:15] Toliy: Like every current. Yeah, but how 

[00:17:16] Eldar: are those things, how are those things overpower? Something exciting? Something like when you fucking want do research on how to, uh, grill a meat. Like, you know what I mean? Like Yeah. But that's what I'm saying is that like you 

[00:17:30] Toliy: mountains like Yeah. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying is that like, you buy fucking charcoal, you buy fucking 

[00:17:34] Eldar: this, you buy that, like everything.

[00:17:35] Eldar: Well, that, that's what I've 

[00:17:36] Toliy: been, that that's what I feel like I've been lacking. Is that like lacking that like that level of like, uh, why though? That's the thing. You have that for food, 

[00:17:44] Eldar: but you don't have this for this. Why? 

[00:17:46] Toliy: Yeah. I don't, yeah, like that. That's been I guess, like hard to answer. 

[00:17:50] Eldar: Yeah. Well, what's stop, what's actually stopping you without mentioning anything invisible, that, that doesn't really exist.

[00:18:01] Eldar: Weight health, uh, concentration for like, no, like what's lacking is the actual desire. You don't wanna actually 

[00:18:08] Toliy: do this now. We've concluded that before.

[00:18:15] Toliy: Yeah. Like, I feel like I do wanna do it, but the way I'm going about it, I mean, it shows is not, yeah. Is not like, uh, producing that same level of oomph. Yeah. When like, yeah, when you have like, the other, other thing, like what's, what's 

[00:18:26] Eldar: actually stopping, like, based on what you're saying, at least for me at least, right.

[00:18:31] Eldar: You have a clear path to victory. It's right there, like you said, tsunami or whatever. Well, like clear. And then you're, you're not taking it like for what reason? Like, I, I would think that this is the coolest thing to go on. Know what I mean? To, on this journey of doing something Yeah. And actually accomplishing it because you're like, yo, I, it's right there.

[00:18:48] Eldar: It's within reach. It's like, why not? Like why not me? Yeah. It's like, what the fuck? 

[00:18:52] Toliy: Yeah. Like part part of the hard part for me is that like, I felt like in the past, like in the, the past when I tried to do some of these things and it wasn't successful, right? Um, like it, like for, for like a long time it felt so bad, you know?

[00:19:13] Toliy: Um, yeah. But like, it felt very, like, um, okay, 

[00:19:16] Eldar: sure. It felt bad. Okay, whatever. So was, that's holding you from still reaching for it, the fact that you can actually persevere and do it. Don't you have a, let's, don't you have a clear vision now? 

[00:19:26] Toliy: Well, like, I teeter with like, there's 

[00:19:29] Eldar: what did, did you, what did you actually try to say that like, you know what?

[00:19:32] Eldar: That was as clear as this. As clear what, what mean? Like, yeah. Like the way you could describe this is a very clear path to victory for me. Well, well, no, like what was, what was so clear path to victory before that you, now, if you reflect on, it's to say like, no, actually I didn't know shit from shit before and I know why I failed before versus now you have actual clear path to victory.

[00:19:51] Toliy: Well, like the, the clear path of victory, I'm talking about, like, this to me, like applies to all levels of like suc, like actually doing like business right. Or having a right solution, right? Sure. Like, like whatever platform you have, whatever you have. 

[00:20:05] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:20:06] Toliy: Like, um, like a lot of the companies that, that did well, like this is what they play off of, they have like a good platform to use, for example.

[00:20:15] Toliy: Mm-hmm. For a particular type of, of, of person. 

[00:20:18] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:20:18] Toliy: Right? Yeah. Like, I dunno, like Salesforce could be an example, right? Sure. Like. They, they, they hit a home run for what they did. Yeah. How they did it, the security, the integrations. 

[00:20:30] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:20:31] Toliy: Getting their hands into everything. Okay. Right. And then they became like an undeniable thing to use.

[00:20:36] Toliy: Okay. When they were like, explosively growing. What's the point of mentioning the example? Well, well, my, my, my point is that that, like, that to me is like, um, a guaranteed like, successful business scenario that to me will always run true. Mm-hmm. Because like, you're solving a problem and like you're solving an evergreen problem mm-hmm.

[00:21:02] Toliy: For people to constantly benefit from. And that will, that will constantly be a need. Right. Yeah. No, I agree with that. Yeah. But, so like, that, that to me is like, it's not like an idea of mine. Like, it's just like, to me it's like a truth. Sure. Like it, like it'll just Yeah. 100%. It'll just always make sense.

[00:21:19] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:21:19] Eldar: It'll always make sense. It'll always be successful. Yeah. 

[00:21:23] Toliy: Yeah. Like, yeah, like that. That's how I feel about it. But yeah, it's hard for me to like, because I, I, I know what you're talking about. Mm-hmm. Like when I, uh, like when I found that like a lamb recipe, you know? Yeah. Like, I did a bunch of research, I watched a bunch of videos.

[00:21:39] Toliy: You have plenty 

[00:21:39] Eldar: of energy. 

[00:21:40] Toliy: I went in the morning, like, yeah. I went on my own quest, you know, like Yeah. Like you had fun. Yeah. Like I did a bunch of shit. You had fun. You know, and then it was rewarding to see it be successful that Yeah. That first time. Yeah. Right. Um, um, and doing it and then replicating it again.

[00:21:59] Toliy: Yeah. I mean, there probably some minor, um, um, changes there, but relatively, again, replicating it again. Yeah. And it being successful again. 

[00:22:07] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:22:08] Toliy: Right. Yeah. Like that definitely felt good. Yeah. And like, yeah, I have definitely like a level of like, of like, like that, that that fuel doesn't feel like, it's like, um, limit it.

[00:22:20] Toliy: When it's happening, it doesn't feel like a limited 

[00:22:22] Eldar: Yeah. Like 

[00:22:23] Toliy: a 

[00:22:23] Eldar: Yeah. Resource. Yeah. You know? So then why is this one a limited resource? Yeah. I think, why is it not like starting? Because I think, yeah. Maybe it's the, it's inevitably gonna start. That's what it sounds like. 

[00:22:33] Toliy: Yeah. It's just when to me, it's, yeah.

[00:22:35] Toliy: To me it's like, I don't know what things I need to do differently. Like, um, like, like for example, one of the things that just came to my head prior to this conversation, like, like probably over the last week, is I like, like, and, and I've said this I know many times. Mm-hmm. Right? Like, for me to, to do this and give it a good crack, like I need to get healthy.

[00:22:57] Toliy: That's it. Like that, that, that, yeah. That was in my mind. Right? 

[00:23:01] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:23:01] Toliy: And then I started taking those morning walks. Yeah. And then 

[00:23:04] Toliy: I'm like, okay,

[00:23:10] Toliy: I like. 

[00:23:12] Toliy: I started to do that, for example, and that didn't become like, difficult to do. I just woke up and I just like, I wanna do this. Yeah. I just went and I went this whole week. I went every day. Mm-hmm. Like, I haven't, like I did Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and today, Thursday. Yeah. You know? Um, yeah. And it wasn't a problem at all.

[00:23:29] Toliy: Mm-hmm. I did the same route every single day. 

[00:23:31] Eldar: Yeah. And where did the application come from? The application of what? Of actually getting up and doing it and, and doing it effortlessly. Yeah. Versus making it discipline 

[00:23:41] Toliy: felt. Yeah. I just felt that like, like I wanted to see how I felt and if it had an impact on how I like feel.

[00:23:46] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Um, 

[00:23:49] Eldar: you had curiosity? 

[00:23:50] Toliy: Yeah. Like how, how did I feel? And then I just, like, the first, the first day I did it, I was like, you know, it was really early. It was like six 40 or something. Mm-hmm. Six 50. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like one eye open. I just go outside, it's like crazy bright, like a zombie. Mm-hmm. You know?

[00:24:04] Toliy: And I just went, and then by the time I came back, I have coffee, yet I didn't have nothing and I felt good. I was just like, wow. Like that, that was actually nice. Mm-hmm. You know? Yeah. To go do that, I put my AirPods in. Yeah. And I was just listening to whatever. Yeah. You know, some like EE either like a podcast or just some like mm-hmm.

[00:24:24] Toliy: Sports news, you know? That's it. And, and I did that, um, with, with, with definitely like, like a desire of like, ramping efforts or at some point, you know. Mm-hmm. But like, I knew that, like, I am, like, I'm not gonna go and say I'm gonna go run for an hour. Like 

[00:24:40] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:24:40] Toliy: It's not realistic. Yeah. I'm not gonna be able to do that.

[00:24:43] Toliy: Mm-hmm. But I can go for a 22 minute walk, 25 minute walk. 

[00:24:47] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:24:47] Toliy: Yeah's not bad. 

[00:24:48] Toliy: Okay. 

[00:24:51] Eldar: Um, but yeah, like that. How did, how did this thing ripen up? I don't know. Like, I just went, so, okay, so then, so then we don't have a conversation really. 

[00:25:04] Toliy: No, but I'm not saying that that like, that is like, just like that's what it is.

[00:25:08] Eldar: Like you might not know how it starts, but it'll start and because this is in your mind now, one day it'll start. You just don't know how because like you haven't replicated really. 

[00:25:18] Toliy: Yeah. The the, the thing is that for, for me is that like, I don't know what I need to do differently. Like, I don't have like a for sure thing of like, okay, like, like I don't know how to do, like, it, it, it feels like, like the underlying feeling I have about all this is that it feels like a lot to do and it feels like a lot to do on top of what I currently do.

[00:25:42] Toliy: Like that, that, that's how I feel about it. And then managing that together so that it doesn't get to an overwhelming point at times feels difficult for me. But I'd like to somehow figure out how do I get to that point where I have that limitless fuel? Mm-hmm. Because like I'm figuring something out and I'm like.

[00:26:04] Toliy: Thoroughly enjoying myself while figuring it out. And nothing else. Like matters. Matters. 

[00:26:09] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:26:09] Toliy: Right. Um, because I have that at times when we're playing cs, for example. Mm-hmm. I wanna play nonstop. 

[00:26:16] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:26:16] Toliy: Let's play for two hours straight. 

[00:26:18] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:26:18] Toliy: Nothing about really much else. Yeah. You know, or like, I have that for like the, like, uh, yeah.

[00:26:24] Toliy: But, 

[00:26:25] Eldar: but playing cs the way you are, at least playing. Right. Um, like I don't see you going like, oh, I'd like to figure out how Tobin these buttons properly in order to throw Nas better. Like, you threw fire and you burned yourself yesterday, you threw a flash bang and you flash yourself yesterday. Yeah.

[00:26:40] Eldar: Like, and you're like, oh, I'm cooking the robot. It's like, like, you're not doing that. Yeah. No, no. But that's, that's like, you're just like aimlessly playing. And you may be like, I don't know what you're practicing whatever, but like, you just go and frag, you know what i's like, no. Yeah, but I'm 

[00:26:53] Toliy: not. But 

[00:26:53] Eldar: I, but it's not like, but I'm 

[00:26:54] Toliy: really not aimlessly playing and I'm, and I'm like.

[00:26:57] Toliy: Like I'm, I'm consistently now more and more practicing like very similar positions over and over again, knowing the angles, like knowing where to stand. Like, like my next thing is definitely to bind these buttons. Yeah. Um, so, so, so I have that. Yeah. And also like yeah. So I understand the different guns and use them properly.

[00:27:18] Toliy: Like, yeah. Like yesterday I was using the OP and the, uh, 

[00:27:20] Toliy: yeah. 

[00:27:21] Toliy: The AK for like a little bit mm-hmm. And us having like some successes at times. Yeah. Um, like with them, you know, so like yeah. Learning all that. Um, yeah. And slowly doing it, but it's like not even a comparable to where I was before, where like I would see someone, I would just hold down the button and just like, you know, it would go everywhere.

[00:27:40] Toliy: Mm-hmm. And I may or may not hit the Yeah. Like, now I'm understanding the, like that thing I'm understanding that I can, like, when I get to that spot that you told me on the box and be mm-hmm. That I can throw in Nate into the, uh, like, like what I do now is I throw a fire. 

[00:27:55] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:27:56] Toliy: A as I'm running there with a knife.

[00:27:58] Toliy: 'cause I realize also you can't jump on that box with a full gun. Hmm. Like you, you won't make the jump. You won't make it. Okay. Yeah, no, yeah. You have to have either a pistol or a knife. A aid. Or a knife. Yeah. I realized that by doing it. Mm-hmm. So what I do is I, through the mid doors, I throw the fire.

[00:28:15] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:28:16] Toliy: Right. And then, and then I run to the, through the window and I have enough time. 'cause no one's gonna go through, obviously mm-hmm. To jump on that box and get in position and be ready to go. 

[00:28:26] Toliy: Yeah. So, 

[00:28:26] Toliy: and that to me is like, quick it's done. Yeah. You know, because you blocked them. So I blocked them.

[00:28:30] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. Now, like, now I have the, the first step on you. Yeah. Because you have to come through Correct. While I'm standing there Yeah. Ready to go. Yeah. So like that, that's something I implemented for example. Mm-hmm. By seeing it. 'cause sometimes I would do this route and the person would beat me there and then now I'm at a position.

[00:28:45] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:28:45] Toliy: But now, like I throw something there. Now you figure 

[00:28:47] Eldar: out what, what to do when they throw smoke onto your fire. 

[00:28:51] Toliy: Yes. Like, yeah. Diff different things. A lot of times they'll 

[00:28:54] Eldar: go through the smoke. 

[00:28:55] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. Different things like that. 

[00:28:57] Eldar: Yeah. Throwing into and, and then I 

[00:28:58] Toliy: haven't run through through that a lot.

[00:29:00] Toliy: Usually the, the, the, the fire is enough. Mm-hmm. Okay. Right. Yeah. But I know the jump, I know what I like, I know that mm-hmm. Plenty of times ran with like the N four and I would not make that jump. And I'm like, what the fuck? You know, like, yeah. Like, now I'm down here, now I'm trying to figure out how to get help you on this thing.

[00:29:13] Toliy: These people are already coming. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely like progress and learn, but yeah, I, I'd like, like my, my big thing is that like, regardless of what I do, how I go about it, like, um, I don't have it now, but I want to find that like limitless energy mm-hmm. To do this.

[00:29:34] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:29:34] Toliy: And I don't know, like 

[00:29:37] Toliy: maybe you can help with that. I don't know what to do to get that. What, what do you enjoy about playing Counterstrike right now?

[00:29:50] Toliy: Winning, killing three to four people and 

[00:29:52] Eldar: then screaming. I. Get fucked, bitch, get fucked. You bitches. Right? Like this is, well, that, those moments is what you live for or what you play for? 

[00:30:01] Toliy: Well, no, like yes or no. No. Well, I mean, first, like if you told me you quit, I probably would quit. 

[00:30:05] Eldar: Yeah. Right. Yeah. But we obviously, we play together.

[00:30:08] Eldar: Yeah. I, I 

[00:30:09] Toliy: like the playing together element of it. Yeah. Um, like I like it more that we generally plate closer and we can like, have an impact on what's going on. I could tell you when people are mm-hmm. Are doing that and we can piggyback off each other. Yeah. There like, I like that. Okay. You know? Yeah. Um, to communicate properly to do that.

[00:30:29] Toliy: Okay. Um, yeah, like I, I, I like what you can control what happens and how it happens. Mm-hmm. Because the people who are bad, they have the same bad habits. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And you can expose those habits when you're good at it. Right? Yeah, that's true. It's like the same and like basketball. Mm-hmm. People will go for the same fakes, right?

[00:30:46] Toliy: Yep. You can use the same dribble move, you could do the same things. Yeah. 'cause you know, people are gonna go for it. Yeah. Especially the ones who are sloppy. 

[00:30:53] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Yeah. There's a challenge. Yeah. You know, competitive. Yeah. Dynamic to it. Yeah. And no, and those, those are the things that maybe you have attachment to that you actually like, uh, that give you enough fuel in order to get there.

[00:31:07] Eldar: Right. So like the makeup is what competitiveness team play, like you said. Yeah. Team play, learning. 

[00:31:13] Toliy: Learning, yeah. 

[00:31:14] Eldar: Winning. Yeah. Like all those things. Kind of like your little mix up that makes up why you want to continue doing it, but you get pissed off. You also get pissed off. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So like, you're like, ah, fuck.

[00:31:25] Eldar: You know what I mean? Like, I suck and all this other shit. 'cause you know you're making mistakes. Yeah. And then we're losing and you're like, yeah, I know. I fucked up. And you're like, oh, I had enough for today. So it's like, yeah, on one hand, yes, you can do it for a while, but then like. Only if there's a condition that you're doing it on your terms, getting the 

[00:31:40] Toliy: results that you want.

[00:31:41] Toliy: Yeah. But usually the lack of getting the results and the frustration comes from also being tired already and like it's time to wind down and like Yeah. We're generally playing this like late and like Yeah. Like tired. You need focus, you know? Yeah. Like when I like, like when we have those morning sessions like that, that to me was like mm-hmm.

[00:31:58] Toliy: The best. Like on the weekend for, for example. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 

[00:32:01] Eldar: You 

[00:32:01] Toliy: know? Yeah. Like you're caffeinated, like you're sharp. Mm-hmm. You're ready to go. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You know? 

[00:32:05] Eldar: Okay. Um, well, no, like if that's the makeup, that's probably what you will probably have to be looking for. 

[00:32:11] Toliy: Yeah. You know? 

[00:32:15] Toliy: Yeah. Like, I, like, I want that limitless energy to just like build and like do and analyze.

[00:32:21] Toliy: Mm-hmm. And then go build more from your like mm-hmm. Like, and, and I know that you can leverage those like. 

[00:32:29] Eldar: Yeah. But you, you, you going past the, the fact that we have identified certain things right now, I know what you want to do. Like, you, you, you don't have to keep describing what you want to accomplish.

[00:32:38] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:32:38] Eldar: Or, or how you're gonna feel after you accomplish it, or what will you accomplish? Like, who gives a fuck about that? I get it. Yeah, I understand that already. 

[00:32:44] Toliy: Okay. 

[00:32:45] Eldar: You've described it many times. We're trying to find out what the makeup is in order for you to kickstart your ass. 

[00:32:50] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:32:51] Eldar: For the limbless thing you just said, competitive nature, team play, winning and doing it in the morning so you have energy, you know?

[00:33:02] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:33:03] Eldar: So these are the, some of the things that you probably have to look forward to and get, get into. So you can see or harvest some of that limitless, uh, ability. 

[00:33:16] Toliy: No or no? Or 

[00:33:19] Eldar: are we looking at it wrong? I thought you could do the lamb on your own, for example. Mike helps you cooking, but you go, you go to the supermarket.

[00:33:29] Toliy: Yeah. But then it still has to be shared with everybody sh at the end. Yes. 

[00:33:34] Eldar: It's shared with everyone. Yeah. Now, 

[00:33:35] Toliy: if you told me, I'm just gonna like, I would never you eat it by myself. I would never, ever make that for myself By 

[00:33:40] Eldar: yourself. 

[00:33:40] Toliy: Ever. 

[00:33:41] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Okay. That's interesting. Yeah. So that's, then that's a team dynamic, obviously shared with people, 

[00:33:48] Toliy: you know?

[00:33:51] Toliy: So then just tackle it like that. Then where are you gonna get the competitiveness from? Yeah. I'm not sure. Talking shit is big for you too. You know, that comes with competitiveness, right? Mm-hmm. You know? 

[00:34:11] Eldar: But then again, like if you find out that this is what's actually going on, this is what you actually need.

[00:34:17] Eldar: Can you artificially have the same energy if we replicate those scenarios? Or do you need to have it blind to you to be focused, you know? Okay. Uh, hire a person who's gonna say, you know, totally, I'm gonna do this better than you. I know what you want and I'm gonna get it done. And you're like, no, I'm gonna get it done.

[00:34:39] Eldar: You guys get into a little argument or a little bet going and then he's doing it. You're doing it. Um, you guys are talking shit to each other and you like amped up and then you see the results and like, nah, that sounds crazy. Why? 

[00:34:55] Toliy: Yeah. It doesn't like, 

[00:34:57] Eldar: because it's artificial. 

[00:34:58] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:34:59] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like I, yeah, it just feels very like, um, well,

[00:35:08] Toliy: yeah, very ar, artificial, you know?

[00:35:16] Toliy: Why, why 

[00:35:17] Toliy: not try it? I don't know, like, like I feel like whatever internal challenge that I'm having, like, like I wanna hop over it, you know? Well, 

[00:35:27] Toliy: that's what 

[00:35:28] Toliy: I'm trying to 

[00:35:28] Toliy: figure out 

[00:35:28] Toliy: how, but I want to like, and why? Yeah. Like, yeah. I don't wanna like apply pressure or like, um, discipline to it. 

[00:35:39] Eldar: Well, no, I'm, I'm not inviting you to apply discipline here at all.

[00:35:43] Eldar: You know that? 

[00:35:44] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:35:45] Eldar: You're saying that you like to play Counterstrike and you could do it, but I endlessly you have that energy. No, no, no. I'm like, okay, what is the makeup of that? 

[00:35:51] Toliy: No, no, no, no. So, so like, I guess I haven't had that a like, like, like I had that when I was playing Wow. Where I could just play seven to 10 hours no problem in one day.

[00:36:03] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:36:04] Toliy: You know, I was enjoying myself. Yeah. It was very fun. 

[00:36:07] Toliy: Um, competitive. I obviously like I. Um, yeah, like 

[00:36:18] Toliy: I, I, I, I want to have the feeling of like actually wanting to do the, to do this and not have it where it's like, okay, like this is like work, you know? And when things become work, like if, if, if something is a chore or work or does not sound fun, then the only way that you'll be successful in 

[00:36:41] Toliy: those things is if you apply discipline to them.

[00:36:47] Toliy: Right? Uh, say that again. 

[00:36:51] Toliy: Things that you don't genuinely enjoy 

[00:36:53] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:36:54] Toliy: Or have fun with. Correct. The only way that you'll be successful in doing those things is if you apply discipline to them. 

[00:37:00] Eldar: The only way to enjoy those things. No successful. The only 

[00:37:03] Toliy: way to be successful in those things 

[00:37:06] Eldar: don't. 

[00:37:07] Toliy: Only if you 

[00:37:07] Eldar: identify success in a very specific way or define 

[00:37:10] Toliy: YY Yeah.

[00:37:11] Toliy: Like, like, I don't know, like are there things that you do that you don't wanna do? 

[00:37:15] Eldar: Yeah. But you have to do 

[00:37:16] Toliy: them consistently. Yeah. Whatever those things are. Yeah. You probably have to apply some form of discipline Correct. To do them consistently and correctly. 

[00:37:23] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:37:24] Toliy: I don't know. 

[00:37:25] Eldar: Right. Yeah. But that's not necessarily mean that I'll be happy.

[00:37:29] Toliy: Yeah. No, and I'm saying that like, I, I'm just purely saying that like Yeah. If you wanna, I don't know if you, if you don't like working out Yeah. But you want to get in shape. 

[00:37:38] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:37:38] Toliy: You have to force yourself to work out 

[00:37:40] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:37:40] Toliy: Every single day to get in shape, otherwise you to get in shape, otherwise you won't.

[00:37:44] Eldar: Yeah. Right. Assuming that getting in shape is only through working out 

[00:37:47] Toliy: Yes. It's, yeah. Yeah. For example, if you, yeah. The problem 

[00:37:50] Eldar: is a lot of things fall into those gray areas. Like, for example now, like Yeah. I, I'm, I think I'm in a better shape now than I was while playing basketball. 

[00:37:59] Toliy: Yeah. Because you're less, uh, dinged up.

[00:38:02] Toliy: Number one stronger. It's that, 

[00:38:04] Eldar: but now I'm stronger because I'm climbing. I'm rock climbing. 

[00:38:07] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:38:08] Eldar: It's a completely different sport. My mind is stimulated. My body is stimulated. Yeah. And I feel better. 

[00:38:12] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:38:12] Eldar: Overall I miss basketball. 

[00:38:14] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:38:15] Eldar: You know, I'd like to play, but I'm not missing what I felt after basketball.

[00:38:20] Eldar: Like I'm definitely not missing that. Those feelings are, I'm not missing that. 

[00:38:23] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:38:24] Eldar: You know, and I think I need to go play in order to feel those feelings again. Just to remind myself how brutal it is on your body. Yeah. At this age at least. 

[00:38:31] Speaker 5: Yeah. You 

[00:38:31] Eldar: know what I'm saying? But this sport doesn't ding me up like that.

[00:38:35] Eldar: Even though I do get hurt, like I have scrapes everywhere, you know? Yeah. But, so, yeah. Um, you know what I mean? What I'm saying is that there's a lot of gray area where, when it comes to the word success and when it comes to the different things that you can get yourself into engage in order to, to get there.

[00:38:52] Eldar: Yeah. And I think that what you're looking for is you're looking for. The path of least resistance when it comes to discipline, quote unquote. 

[00:38:58] Toliy: No, I'm not looking for the path of least resistance when it comes to discipline. I'm looking for, um, to be able to, to be able to put myself in a position to pull, to pull energy from a, uh, like a, uh, limitless source.

[00:39:16] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Because you're actually like enjoying yourself. 

[00:39:19] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:39:20] Toliy: Right? Yeah. It's like those times when we're playing basketball 

[00:39:23] Toliy: mm-hmm. 

[00:39:23] Toliy: And we're two hours in. 

[00:39:25] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:39:25] Toliy: Right. And like, we're enjoying ourselves. Like we could literally, like, you even get tired and then you can get second wind and you can keep playing and you can figure out like, like especially when you're younger, right?

[00:39:36] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Like you could play all day. Yeah. Figure out a way, you know? Yeah. Like you have a limitless pool of energy to do that. Mm-hmm. Or like, like you right now, like you, you like gardening, right? Yeah. Yeah. Like throw you out there for, you know, a few hours or more. Like, you get stuck. You get stuck. 

[00:39:53] Toliy: Yeah.

[00:39:55] Toliy: You're not stopping 'cause you're like, all right, I did everything I need. I don't wanna be here to begin with and I'm done. Yeah. No. Right. No. Um, so if, if, for example, you still needed to do those gardening things mm-hmm. But you didn't like doing them, you could apply discipline to get those things accomplished.

[00:40:13] Toliy: Correct? That's what I'm saying. Correct. Like a a as in success. Yeah. Right. But I don't wanna, like, obviously I don't wanna do that. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I wanna pull from that, that that same energy pool that you have 

[00:40:26] Toliy: mm-hmm. 

[00:40:26] Toliy: For doing that. 

[00:40:27] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:40:28] Toliy: Like, but I think to do that, you need to have a particular outlook on it and like, um, like get particular energy from, from it where you're like doing in a particular way that it's not like it's causing you stress, but it's actually like.

[00:40:45] Toliy: You are having fun. You are having fun. Yes. Yeah. 

[00:40:47] Eldar: And I think that's what it is. I think until you identify it as fun for you. Yeah. And now there's reasons, enough reasons for you to have fun with it, then you can get into it. 

[00:40:56] Toliy: Yeah. And that's what I'm saying is that I'm trying to figure out how do I have fun with this?

[00:41:00] Toliy: How do I have fun with, with it Where like I'm actually enjoying myself. It's not like a job or like a tiring chore or like some like difficult goal that I'm trying to like accomplish that's not being like, accomplished. Right. Um, how, how does it become that? Because all the things that we enjoy doing or we like to do, like we don't need to apply any kind of discipline to do any of them.

[00:41:28] Toliy: And the things that we don't like to do, we do need to apply some levels of it, of discipline to do them. 

[00:41:34] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:41:37] Toliy: I'm trying to figure out what do I need to 

[00:41:38] Toliy: do to, to put myself in that position. Yeah.

[00:41:48] Toliy: I think the purest probably form starts with maybe, um, the purest form starts with curiosity,

[00:41:59] Toliy: you know? Yeah. And, and like that's, in 

[00:42:03] Eldar: order to, in order to have that, I think that you have to drop certain, um, precondition things that you've done already for yourself in that particular field, you know? 

[00:42:17] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm. 

[00:42:18] Eldar: Things that you've already like, thought of. Um, do you think that you understand you need to let go of some of that stuff and go of it, like open and naked almost, and then get very curious?

[00:42:32] Eldar: That's the beginning of it, I think, but if you say, oh, I know this, I know that. You know what I mean? I don't think, I think this is only gonna get you, um, into a place of fear. What, what's an example 

[00:42:43] Toliy: of this? Like 

[00:42:45] Toliy: what's an example of this?

[00:42:53] Toliy: You have this thing 

[00:42:54] Eldar: and it happens in these spurts of moments where you become very curious and you ask a million questions. 

[00:42:59] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm. 

[00:43:01] Eldar: I mean, nothing comes to mind right now with example comes but comes, you do this, you start bombarding me, for example, of like a hundred questions about a topic that you don't know about.

[00:43:12] Eldar: You know, it could be whatever, like how the world works a lot of the times, and you go on this journey of asking these 

[00:43:18] Toliy: questions. Mm-hmm. You know, you

[00:43:24] Toliy: know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. Okay. 

[00:43:27] Eldar: But this journey is like an out, like outwardly one that you do, like with me, for example, or asking me questions and stuff. Um. But maybe this one is like a long journey because you would need to learn, you know, and you have to ask yourself those questions, you know, how do I do this?

[00:43:47] Eldar: How do I do that? Oh, what's this? You know? And ask the world, um, for some of this knowledge or experiment, some of this stuff in order to create something completely new and unique so it can be like yours, you know? But without, without curiosity, I don't think you can kickstart it like that, because I think that pure form of curiosity gives you the energy that nonstop energy of like, oh, like I really wanna keep going, you know?

[00:44:14] Eldar: And hopefully along the line you also find a ways to have fun with it. If you don't, then it won't be long lasting. You'll drop it. 

[00:44:25] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:44:25] Eldar: You know what I mean? It's like a combination, curious curiosity, which will force you to be good to yourself and the world means that you'll be humble and you'll come with a humble head to ask the right questions by allowing you to not hand hog yourself in the process.

[00:44:43] Eldar: And two, if you can sustain the fun in it and you see, you find that there's fun, those two combination of things will be 

[00:44:51] Toliy: limitless, I think.

[00:44:56] Toliy: You know?

[00:45:00] Toliy: And then obviously then comes, you know, 

[00:45:03] Eldar: first doing it for yourself and then having the ability to share it with others. 

[00:45:07] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:45:09] Eldar: Share your success. And then again, going back to brainwashing, we talked about this others, into your, into your success, meaning passing that knowledge down, sharing it with someone else, teaching them, and enjoying that form.

[00:45:23] Eldar: Because now it's living on past you and you're getting even more of a, of a, of a, of abundance. Of 

[00:45:31] Toliy: fun because you gave it to someone else. Yeah. You know, that's how I see it. But I think it starts with curiosity, 

[00:45:44] Eldar: you know? Yeah. But I like, but the curiosity is not like necessarily, oh, I wanna learn like marketing, or I wanna learn this.

[00:45:50] Eldar: Probably has to be with like, I wanna know who I am within this process by going on this journey, or who, who I, who I'm gonna become. You know, just like you went on this walk, right? You're like, oh, I don't know how I'm gonna feel. Whatever. Whatever. You kind of went open to it, let's just do it. 

[00:46:04] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:46:05] Eldar: Open mind, right?

[00:46:05] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:46:06] Eldar: Were you open mind? Yeah. You were Yeah. Like you were 

[00:46:10] Toliy: open for 

[00:46:11] Eldar: surprised. I've always wanted to 

[00:46:12] Toliy: do something like this. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But it always felt like weird. Ah, I wake up early. Go like, yeah, go on. Like a, like a alone. But you see, 

[00:46:19] Eldar: you had a natural desire to do it some somewhere lodged in in there.

[00:46:23] Eldar: Yeah. And you finally went and be curious, like, okay, let me try it, try it, let's see how it goes. Yeah. And you were pleasantly surprised. No. Yeah. Well, there you go. That's your answer right there. If you have something like that, if you want to go on that journey, be curious and be pleasantly surprised, but you kept an open mind.

[00:46:41] Eldar: It's very important. 

[00:46:42] Toliy: Yeah. Like, yeah. My, my thing is that like yeah. When I'm trying to learn something, like I always feel like I'm going, like when I learn stuff in this, like, and I've learned so many things Yeah. But the proper application of them obviously hasn't happened. 

[00:46:57] Eldar: Yeah. Like, you know, well, it's the same thing, right?

[00:46:59] Eldar: Yeah, sure. If the proper application hasn't happened, it's because you've, you haven't exercised that, that thing that you always wanted to do. And if you go with the open-minded curiosity. I think it will naturally fall into just doing, 

[00:47:10] Toliy: yeah, but see, like I, I, I dunno what that means. Going to the open-minded cur like, like how would that look like in this?

[00:47:16] Toliy: It's the 

[00:47:16] Eldar: same way how you didn't know what was gonna happen to you when you went on a walk, did you? No. It's the same shit here. You're not supposed to know until you go. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's the cool part. 

[00:47:27] Toliy: Yeah. But like, what do I actually need to do? 

[00:47:30] Toliy: You know what to do. You just identified it, you know what to do.

[00:47:37] Toliy: Yeah. Right. Because if you don't know what to do, then that's a different conversation. You know, the steps, identify the market, 

[00:47:49] Eldar: create a specific piece, and show them that this works. Get the results, practice it, show the results. Right. Proof of concept, and then go out there and market it. 

[00:48:00] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm. 

[00:48:01] Eldar: In a creative way.

[00:48:01] Eldar: That's, these are the steps you just told me earlier, right. Yeah. So then what, what are you puzzled about or you're not sure about? 

[00:48:12] Toliy: Yeah, I guess, I dunno, like it, like it still sounds like it's like a lot, you know, is how it feels. It's like, which part? 

[00:48:20] Eldar: All, all of it is it a lot because it's a concept, an idea that is mishmash in your head and is not on paper.

[00:48:28] Eldar: Part of it probably. Yeah. There you go. If you identified it and structured it, like, okay, A, is this, B is this C is this D is this, that's it. That's your journey. When do you wanna do a, oh, have I have time today? Have energy. I'd like to do a, I don't wanna fuck around with that, you know? Mm-hmm. 

[00:48:47] Toliy: And 

[00:48:47] Eldar: you go on it, oh, today I wanna do B, I wanna concentrate on B.

[00:48:50] Eldar: Okay, cool. You know? 

[00:48:53] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:48:54] Eldar: This happens to me a lot where like sometimes I'm like, I wanna do this, but there's a bunch of stuff that I need to do, you know? Mm-hmm. Like the concept is like, I need to do 10 things. I'm like, I'm biased. And I'm like, no, I just wanna do number seven and I'll just grind number seven for as long as I want.

[00:49:10] Eldar: You know what I mean? Because I actually like number seven the most, and I'll leave the other things out, you know? Yeah. This happens even in gardening. Mm-hmm. You know, sometimes like I go out there, I'm like, I know I need to prune. I know I need to weed and I know I need to, um, fertilize or water. 

[00:49:32] Toliy: Mm-hmm.

[00:49:33] Eldar: And sometimes I come out there and I'm like, I just wanna do pruning today. 

[00:49:36] Toliy: Okay. 

[00:49:37] Eldar: And I just p prune. 'cause that's why I feel like it. And then as I'm pruning, I'm like, oh. But now I wanna move some rocks around. I drop the pruning and I'm like, oh, I wanna move these rocks. And then my mom, my mind takes me there and then I start creating a little fucking thing out of rocks.

[00:49:50] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:49:51] Eldar: You know, and I just drift. It's still gardening, it's still, I'm doing gardening and I'm beautifying my place. Mm-hmm. But I'm all over the place. I'm over over the place because I'm respecting the fact that today I don't wanna fertilize, I don't wanna smell that shit, for example. 

[00:50:04] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:50:05] Eldar: Right. But then when it comes to me, like, oh, it's time or whatever, like I should do it, you know, I gracefully do it.

[00:50:10] Eldar: I try to. 

[00:50:11] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:50:12] Eldar: You know, but the whole thing is gardening. To me. It's very clear what to do, and I do it. I know how to do it. I'm not scared of any of these tasks. Mm-hmm. 

[00:50:21] Speaker 5: But 

[00:50:21] Eldar: sometimes these tasks are cumbersome and I don't wanna do them, so I stay away from them. I do it on my own time. 

[00:50:28] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:50:29] Eldar: You know, and I'm not saying that my garden's perfect either, you know what I mean?

[00:50:32] Eldar: Like, it definitely has like some stuff, but overall, like, I don't know. You like it? I don't know. Yeah, I know. Like, you like it, you see like, it gets you done, you know? So yeah. I feel like, I think that's what's happening here. Like, you know, the structure, you know the world of this specific thing that you want.

[00:50:49] Eldar: Yeah. I just 

[00:50:50] Toliy: feel that like I'm, I'm operating always a deficit of like. Like not having the energy to like, to utilize that creative part of like my, like brain or like, like, like not, not having enough energy or feeling tired or feeling like worn out. 

[00:51:06] Eldar: Like, well, yeah, then, then, then it's a different conversation.

[00:51:09] Eldar: I mean, like, then, you know, where is the energy being spent on? That's all it is. Like you don't have pockets of freedom. 

[00:51:16] Toliy: Mm. Yeah. 

[00:51:17] Eldar: But you probably don't because of the way you're perceiving the world around you and the way you're reacting to it. 

[00:51:22] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:51:23] Eldar: If you're causing yourself anxiety, obviously over other things and that, and it's draining you, like you said, sometimes you fall into cold sweats because you have anxiety and you have nothing else to do because like you, let's say you like just, you know, no, blew your brains out.

[00:51:35] Eldar: No, but I'm not 

[00:51:35] Toliy: even having that. No, 

[00:51:37] Eldar: I'm just saying I'm giving you an example, right? Yeah. Yeah. If you're having those types of moments of like something stressing you out, like yesterday, sh my day was, I was stressed the fuck out. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like. I had a hard time focusing after, after work and shit like that and like relaxing or whatever, you know, maybe it showed and I'll game, play, whatever, but it's the reason for that because I was stressed out.

[00:51:55] Eldar: Mm-hmm. You know, so I can't give my, all, my, all attention or whatever in order to really enjoy myself these days will happen. You know? I'm aware of them. 

[00:52:03] Toliy: Yeah. Just they happen to you rarely versus they have like, to me that's like a regular norm. Well, 

[00:52:08] Eldar: yeah, because the noise, you haven't, you, you haven't like, you haven't discriminated enough against the noise that you have in your mind.

[00:52:14] Eldar: I did you choose to still entertain the noise? Yeah. You know what I mean? The noise that serves you and the noise that doesn't serve you. You know, like you said, your mom watch your CNN if gets affected a certain type of way. Yeah. You listen to it, it's like, this is nonsense. You know what I mean? Like to us, me and you perceive it as what Entertainment.

[00:52:34] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:52:34] Eldar: So we, we actually get something from it. We receive something from it by making fun of whoever the politicians or whoever they are. You know what I mean? We have fun with it. Yeah. Your mom gets negatively affected by this because of the emotions she's attached herself to. Yeah. You have those invisible gatekeepers in your life right now that you're reacting in a very specific way that are draining your energy.

[00:52:56] Toliy: That's it. Yeah. 

[00:52:58] Eldar: And until you identify them and change the way you react to them, you are gonna be drained. But I always thought that the pure form of being curious about something going in the fun bright journey, which you hopefully find bright and light is always awesome, and you always should discriminate to do that versus entertain nonsense, get into anxiety or whatever.

[00:53:20] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. I just feel that like, like I start my, like I start my day tired and I end my day tired. 

[00:53:28] Toliy: Yeah. But like, you know. Yeah. 

[00:53:31] Toliy: And that's how it goes most days. 

[00:53:33] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Then you might need discipline. 

[00:53:39] Toliy: No, then, then I need to like, like, that's what I'm saying is that like, going about things and doing things in a particular way to, uh, like feel good and do good things that, um, 

[00:53:52] Toliy: will, will contribute towards, uh, um, being, be, being able to do these kinds of things.

[00:54:01] Toliy: I think No, 

[00:54:04] Eldar: sure. But then you, if you're saying that you, if your testimony is like, look, I wake, I, I wake up tired. I get tired, and it's every day is a perpetual cycle, then, then use you off to fucking re 

[00:54:15] Toliy: your whole life.

[00:54:21] Toliy: But that's also not true. 

[00:54:23] Eldar: Like you said, you like, yo, sometimes I wake up, I feel rejuvenated, I feel fresh, I'm ready to go. 

[00:54:27] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's, you know what I mean? Yeah. I, I don't feel fresh enough. To do this kind of stuff, but, but it's 

[00:54:34] Eldar: like, it's not the, like you, but I don't see how this thing, this thing's supposed to be light and easy to do.

[00:54:40] Eldar: That's what you're looking for. Light. It should 

[00:54:42] Toliy: light and easy to do. 

[00:54:43] Eldar: It should be effortless if you actually want to do it and you are curious about it. Yeah. I don't, just like me lifting those rocks in my garden, sure. They're heavy and it, it's like cumbersome to do for most people, but I do it because I actually like it.

[00:54:56] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. No, I definitely don't feel light and effortless when it comes to thinking or doing these kinds of things. So 

[00:55:02] Eldar: then that's it. Then you have then, then you have to fraud check yourself. Then this, all the stuff is just like, it's just an idea. It's an illusion that you've created for yourself that you actually wanna do this stuff.

[00:55:13] Eldar: You don't actually want to do it because when the lamb thing comes up. Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah. You do it effortlessly and you white. Yeah, I do that effortly. Yeah, that's 

[00:55:22] Toliy: it. Yeah.

[00:55:26] Eldar: The association is incorrect. 

[00:55:29] Toliy: Well, I, I, I like, that's why I was thinking about the, uh, the reasons for wanting to do it and then what I actually want to do, and then reevaluating that, um, completely. Yeah. Um, you definitely should, because like if someone right now, like, um, raises their hand mm-hmm. I don't know, whoever, let's say Harris or Mike.

[00:55:53] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Right? And they're like, Hey, I have a problem and I need some help. When, when, when, like, someone says that, like, I know, like you have that, and I know I have that too, where it's like, okay, like, like there's like a, like a effortless, limitless energy to go figure this out. Mm-hmm. When someone says that, it's like, whoa, I have a problem.

[00:56:15] Toliy: I need help. 

[00:56:16] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:56:16] Toliy: Like, to me instantly, I'm like, okay, I'd like, I'd love to hear about it, see what it is. And see what's actually going on here. 

[00:56:23] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:56:23] Toliy: And see what questions I need to ask. Like how do I, like right away my, my, like, my mind goes into a place where, where it's like, um, how do I best understand what's going on?

[00:56:34] Toliy: Like, what's this person struggling with? Mm-hmm. What's their problem? Yeah. Like, like what questions do we need to ask? Like, like that whole process. Yeah. Like they, that like to 

[00:56:45] Eldar: me, like you just said, like very, it's like a very telling thing again. Right. What's, now my next question, is this what's holding you back, right?

[00:56:54] Eldar: Yeah. From creating a form on 

[00:56:57] Toliy: our website that ask these questions and testing it to the clients

[00:57:09] Toliy: your own form that we can test, 

[00:57:14] Eldar: what problem are you having? What are you trying to solve? You have the, you have the multiple choices that you created. You funneling them into a very specific conversation that you want to have. Why can't 

[00:57:28] Toliy: you go that route? Like, how is that not interesting to you?

[00:57:35] Toliy: It is very interesting 

[00:57:36] Eldar: to me. There you go. Yeah. You just said, Hey, elder, I like when people say this type of stuff, right? Yeah. When they say this, my ears perk up and I have unlimited energy. Yeah. To help them Yeah. Replicate that into our website. Well, yes. So that, that, that's what I, what's so scary about to me, like, yeah, you just identify that like, I wanna do it because I, I felt your energy.

[00:57:59] Eldar: And I was like, oh, shit. Like we can do that. Oh, here's my idea. You know what I mean? So why not implement something like that in order to have very specific conversations and help people in that type of manner? So you can, you can be perked up like that all the time. 

[00:58:16] Toliy: Mm-hmm.

[00:58:20] Toliy: Yes. And then I want to have like specific resources. Great. And tools for people. Great. To be like, like someone like, like, like, like I could almost imagine like, but like, like in whatever I'm helping him, I want to feel like I'm an, I'm an expert. I like in that and I want to have like, expert level advice to give them.

[00:58:41] Toliy: Yeah. And I want to have give them see like, oh, hey, like you're struggling to get, let's just say like, um, you're, you're struggling to get people to show up to your open house for, for example. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I wanna be able to have expert advice and expert examples. We're saying now, well, you're probably struggling.

[00:58:59] Toliy: Well, what, what have you done in the past? And they're gonna be like, oh, well. You know, I send out this postcard and I did this. I wanna be able to see that, and I wanna be able to point out, be like, well, yeah, I mean, I could see why you were struggling. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Can, can I share with you why? Yeah.

[00:59:13] Toliy: You're like, oh, yeah, I'd love to learn why. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well look like you didn't even put your phone number here. Mm-hmm. How are people gonna call? Yeah. There's, there, there's actually no date as to when this open house is. Yeah. I don't see how, 

[00:59:23] Eldar: I don't see how we can do things right now. Yeah. Today in order to implement these types of things in order to then have these types of conversations.

[00:59:30] Eldar: Like, I don't see that at all. Yeah. And like, to me, that's interesting for you not to spark curiosity on how you can do that. Is, is like a crime. Yeah. Or like that what you're doing every day is you committing crime against yourself. 

[00:59:41] Toliy: Yeah, I probably am. Yeah. And like, like, like part of like a dream scenario for me.

[00:59:47] Toliy: Is like, um, like al also in marketing to people. 

[00:59:50] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:59:51] Toliy: Like using our own service and tool. 

[00:59:53] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:59:53] Toliy: Them being like, holy shit, I've never been marketed to like that. Yeah. I wanna implement this. Yeah. To, to, to, to what we're doing. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And then almost having like pieces of content or videos or like episodes about it.

[01:00:06] Toliy: Like, here's what we did well, you know, like, we did this, we did this, we did this. Yeah. And here are the results about it. And then like, not only are you benefiting like your own business of like, 'cause you're actually doing it and getting the results from it. Yeah. Well now you're getting business also from other people just seeing this who aren't even being marketed to.

[01:00:24] Toliy: Yeah. With that, um, um, campaign. Yeah. Right. And then like having that, like a content library of like, like these are the like level, like. Like, almost like here, these are the top tier badass plays, and that's gonna be like you putting the condom in the envelope and doing this. Yeah. Or like, only if you're bold, you know, like Yeah.

[01:00:44] Toliy: Section. Right? Well, if you're smart. Oh yeah. Like, hey, like you wanna be a little pc, this is what you can do like here. Right? Yeah. Like having stuff like that and stuff that you actually did and had some like, results that like share about it. Yeah. And then you get also customer results who've Yeah. Like, um, did those kinds of things.

[01:01:01] Toliy: Like Yeah. Like, yeah. Like that, that, that's, I always viewed as like, like, like, like the, the, the proper way of being successful here is to actually like, use your own food, you know, like to like, use your own thing and, and, and like, have it be like the, uh, like, like the, like the proof is that proof is in the pudding.

[01:01:26] Toliy: Yeah. Like you're, you're a senior person at your company just knocked your socks off. Mm-hmm. 

[01:01:32] Eldar: Yeah. When do you wanna start? You just wanna prove a lot of people wrong. No, no. It's not to prove them wrong. Well, that's the process. That's part of the process. 

[01:01:44] Toliy: Well, no, just like people unaware as to like, you wanna educate the people.

[01:01:47] Toliy: Yeah. Like, here I am, I'm hiring people to send these generic ass fucking emails. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Like, what a aim thing. Right? Like a, like the, like the, the, the, the last message said like, yeah, like down for a virtual coffee. Like, I would never fucking say that. Are you kidding me? Yeah. A virtual coffee.

[01:02:06] Toliy: Yeah. Can 

[01:02:07] Toliy: you picture me saying that? 

[01:02:10] Toliy: A schedule coffee, but, but you know who school that is for a virtual coffee? 

[01:02:14] Toliy: Yeah. That's 

[01:02:16] Toliy: Nathan's school. 

[01:02:19] Toliy: No, it's not even his school. It's just the uh, the verbiage. The, the, the verbiage. But like, I would never fucking say that. 

[01:02:25] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:02:25] Toliy: Of virtual coffee. Are you kidding me?

[01:02:28] Toliy: You know? Yeah. 

[01:02:31] Toliy: Alright, so you have direction. 

[01:02:34] Eldar: You still got problems? 

[01:02:35] Toliy: Yeah, I need help organizing things. 

[01:02:38] Eldar: Oh, that's, that's a known thing. Yeah. Yeah. I 

[01:02:39] Toliy: need help organizing things. Yeah. And then like you like visual boards probably. Yeah. And then like, I need to feel good. 

[01:02:46] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[01:02:48] Toliy: So I can do good things. So should we hire a personal assistant?

[01:02:52] Toliy: Personal assistant? What? They'll just organize your fucking life. What's the problem? 

[01:03:02] Eldar: They'll be like your shadow and just run around and shit. You would just tell 'em ideas and things like that want this, this, this, this, this, this, this. What? That's not a bad idea. I see you smiling. What is the problem? 

[01:03:14] Toliy: Yeah.

[01:03:14] Eldar: What, oh, again, yeah. It's an, it's along the realm of unconventional thinking that we usually do. And I'm pretty sure we can have fun with it. It would be ridiculous what.

[01:03:30] Eldar: You like to fucking, like first buck, buck, buck, and then shit grows on you. Like, yeah, I need it. And then you're like, yeah, I like this idea. 

[01:03:37] Toliy: Can you be nice to them or no?

[01:03:42] Toliy: Hmm. I don't need a, per a personal assistant. 

[01:03:45] Eldar: That's what you think. That's what you need. That's what you're asking for. 

[01:03:47] Toliy: No, 

[01:03:48] Eldar: you wanna just tell people what like to do and they'll do it. Like, and that's it. Like, you know, an organizing you as part of that. Yes or no. You want somebody to just like, you know, take your ideas and put 'em all into, into physical form.

[01:04:02] Toliy: Yes or no? 

[01:04:03] Eldar: No, man. Come on man. No. Come on. Come on, man. 

[01:04:07] Toliy: Yes. You mean physical form? 

[01:04:09] Eldar: Physical form. You always say no. Oh, isn't that just easy to do? Just implement that. That's your thing. Come on. You're coming up with the creative ideas and somebody fucking just does them. Come on. Need to be able to do them.

[01:04:25] Eldar: Yeah, but that's like a full, that's a fool's game. Fool's errand. What is trying to fucking figure out all those things yourself. Come on man. What? What do you mean? Like you want to code something, right? Code something into the website or code something into the app. Yeah. You are gonna go learn how to fucking code and do it yourself.

[01:04:43] Eldar: No, I'm 

[01:04:43] Toliy: not talking about that. You know what I'm talking about? That's 

[01:04:45] Eldar: no, now you hire for 

[01:04:46] Toliy: example No. That, that you hire for and do. Okay. 

[01:04:49] Eldar: You know the 

[01:04:49] Toliy: basic things. Yeah. Like, well, like things are like, like wipe your ass. You don't want the 

[01:04:53] Eldar: personal assistant to wipe it. Yeah. 

[01:04:55] Toliy: Yeah. Like, no, no, no. I'm saying that like you're not gonna, like if you have a desire to Yeah.

[01:05:02] Toliy: To add something to the website. Yeah, definitely Not wise wise for you to go figure out how to code it. Yeah. Especially if you have like a functioning running business Yeah. Where you can afford to do that. Mm-hmm. Like that. That would be stupid. Yeah. But if it's up your alley, if you're a coder, then you should go code it.

[01:05:15] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. Up until you have a better use of your time. 

[01:05:18] Toliy: Yeah. You know, it's true. But.

[01:05:29] Toliy: You are just generally pissed, aren't you? I am pissed. That's good. 

[01:05:34] Eldar: Do something about it. 

[01:05:36] Toliy: Yeah. If, if, if you're not pissed, then what are you, you either have it figured out or you're dumb as fuck. Yeah. 

[01:05:43] Eldar: Like, 

[01:05:44] Toliy: or, or you're gonna get pissed eventually. 

[01:05:46] Eldar: Yeah. Hopefully, you know, 

[01:05:47] Toliy: ho Hopefully, yeah. 

[01:05:48] Eldar: Maybe not in his lifetime.

[01:05:49] Toliy: Yeah. Uh, yeah. 

[01:05:50] Toliy: Yeah. You know? Okay. Um,

[01:05:58] Toliy: yeah, you, you gotta start running these experiments, man, you know, 

[01:06:03] Eldar: and see what you get. Like, you underestimate that. Even just creating a different form that you're running people through. Yeah. It's gonna create a very creative, interesting. Perspective and conversation. 

[01:06:17] Toliy: Yeah. Like, like to, to me, like a cool scenario sounds like, like, I don't know, like you do it on a small scale, like you, like do a creative campaign that you identified something that you can help someone that you identified and you do it, I don't know, to 10 people, right?

[01:06:32] Toliy: Yeah. And then, and then like, like it happens. And let, let, let, let's just create say a way that, like, yelled, there are five people I got in contact with. Mm-hmm. And they were like, wow, I never received something so creative. Mm-hmm. And they were instantly intrigued and all five of them booked a meeting.

[01:06:49] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Like that to me would be like, wow, holy shit. Like, I did something. People took it well, it it like, it, it, it did well. And then like, let, let's just say there, there's some like, actual, tangible success from that. And then I'm like, okay, well why don't I try it with, let, let's do five people a week now.

[01:07:10] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Maybe 20 people a month. Do that for a couple of months, and then like, if it consistently works, well now I'm onto to something and now like, yeah, now I can, now I can say like, Hey, maybe I can get someone else involved or hire some help and be like, yeah, let's do 50 of these a month, you know, or a hundred.

[01:07:26] Toliy: Yeah. Right. And then be the continue to optimize and then figure out ways. Mm-hmm. And then it just like, like that to me would like, sounds like a six scenario, 

[01:07:35] Eldar: you know? Okay. So that's what you'll work on. Sounds good. Looking forward 

[01:07:39] Toliy: to it. Any final thoughts?

[01:07:44] Toliy: Final thoughts? Fuck, 

[01:07:47] Toliy: you're 

[01:07:47] Toliy: trying to fast, 

[01:07:47] Toliy: fast forward, like the whole fucking, 

[01:07:49] Eldar: you know? Yeah. Because like you are again going like, oh, this would be six. And that like, you just like to like, you just like to paint like empty pictures, bro. 

[01:07:55] Toliy: Yeah, 

[01:07:56] Eldar: I do. Like, uh, okay. 

[01:08:00] Toliy: I do. 

[01:08:00] Eldar: And you still for some reason like get something out of it.

[01:08:04] Eldar: Yeah. So continue to paint the empty pictures until you exhaust it and be like, what the fuck is wrong with me? There's nothing here from me. Actually paint the fucking picture. Get the brushes, get the fucking canvas, get the paint, and put something on the fucking board for, for now you're just like, oh, wouldn't this be cool?

[01:08:24] Eldar: Yeah. For now, all you know is how to throw a fucking Cary gr grenade into your own feet and fucking step over it and get damage on yourself. That's what you know how to do. Yeah. That's like a, a, a literal fucking thing. You fucking throw a fire on yourself mm-hmm. And counter, and then you walk over it and I'm asking, what the fuck are you doing?

[01:08:43] Eldar: Yeah, I'm watching your screen. And then, and then you flash yourself going in into the fucking thing. I flash myself at least two to three times per, per, per, like, it's crazy. I don't know what the, what are you pressing to do? This? I could only imagine how you bind your fucking keys or like how you signed them up.

[01:09:00] Eldar: You should not be allowed to use grenades at all. Stop it. 

[01:09:05] Toliy: This is crazy. So that's it. 

[01:09:10] Eldar: That's all I have. My final thoughts is like, like, you know, how many times are we gonna listen to empty, like, like I said, empty fucking imaginary pictures, you know, that give us nothing. Yeah. Like a, a small burst of nothing.

[01:09:22] Eldar: You know,

[01:09:26] Eldar: when we come back from vacation, you should be fucking on my ass. Like, yo, here's my fucking form. You give me the fucking outline that you fucking drew out yourself and said, these are the questions I want to ask. This is, this is multiplication area. This is a logic where if they click this, I want them to go to, to ask this next question.

[01:09:43] Eldar: Like that. I want everything written out a new fucking form. That's what you need to be doing. 

[01:09:50] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm. 

[01:09:50] Eldar: If you're not, then you're not about this life and we'll just have this conversation again in a couple months. Oh bro. So like, I wish I'm having like these thoughts and I can't wait like on one day, this is just pussy shit.

[01:10:04] Eldar: You know what I mean? Enough enough. I know what you mean. Yeah. Enough is enough, bro. You know what I mean? You don't see you, you're not implementing things that then give you results that you are looking for. You're not even testing shit. Fuck it. Fail, but you're not even testing shit. Yeah. 

[01:10:19] Toliy: And the funny thing is that like I also have an internal feeling that I can do it.

[01:10:23] Eldar: Oh well. Yeah. I'm not like, I think you're smart enough to do it. Yeah. 

[01:10:26] Toliy: You know? 

[01:10:27] Eldar: Yeah. Um, it's like, sit down and create a fucking form and let's fucking test it against the fucking people that Yeah, 

[01:10:34] Toliy: I should definitely create a form. 

[01:10:35] Eldar: You know what I mean? And that's it. You'd be like, oh shit, they said this.

[01:10:38] Eldar: Oh shit. They said that, oh shit, they said this. I know exactly which conversation I'm gonna have with these people. This is the right person. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. You are educating them or you are asking them the right questions to find out what their problem is. But do it. You're not gonna do it.

[01:10:53] Eldar: Whatcha gonna. Is imagining little things that you tell yourself, oh, I wish you know, the best scenario. That's it, man. That's all I have, man. And I'm not gonna even ask you for your final thoughts anymore because you got.