171. Life's Math: Decoding Human Suffering and Personal Growth

Why are people so skilled at making goals or projections but so novice at knowing what it takes to accomplish them? 

In this thought-provoking episode, the hosts dive deep into the concept of "Life's Math," exploring why people often miscalculate the steps needed to achieve their goals and how this leads to suffering. Joined by first-time guest Jared, the discussion unravels the patterns of flawed perceptions, the role of humility in learning, and the importance of challenging one’s own assumptions. Through candid conversations and real-life examples, the speakers tackle the tension between grandiose dreams and realistic effort, offering insights into how curiosity and self-awareness can break cycles of frustration and foster personal growth.

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[00:00:00] Dennis: On this week's episode,

[00:00:02] Toliy: Can you actually like, listen? Can you actually ask questions? Can you actually get so curious about something? You break your own pattern of whatever suffering that you had with that thing? 

[00:00:13] Eldar: What we're saying is that that's your threshold. That's why you cannot see past that stuff because you're stuck thinking about all this other perceptions that you've created and you working outta that perception 

[00:00:25] Harris: that basically told, uh, Eldar that he was trying to run a cult.

[00:00:28] That he was trying to brainwash people and to the truth. It is Jared, if you're here, Eldar is going to try to brainwash you, but for the better.

[00:00:43] Eldar: Alright guys, um, new topic, new guest, Jared. Welcome Ella. Jared to the, to the podcast. First time. Hope you enjoy it. As I told you before, Jared, we talk about, you know, mostly, uh, topics around human suffering. Why do we suffer? What do we suffer from mm-hmm. And how can we potentially level up our minds, right, in order to suffer less, right?

[00:01:06] And, uh, one way we do that is by raising awareness of some of the stuff that we're suffering from. 

[00:01:10] Yeah. 

[00:01:11] Um, you probably just witnessed one thing that Harris specifically was suffering from, right? And that was a very specific perception, right? His perception was very clear, right? If you do this for the next 10 years, you get this amount of money from it.

[00:01:25] Right? Then he called his dad to clarify some of these points. Right? And he clearly was a little wrong impression because his dad said, no, no, Harris, it's not 10 years, it's actually 40. But when 

[00:01:34] Harris: he started out, you could understand where I was coming from, right? 

[00:01:37] Eldar: No, uh, no. I knew I knew this the equation thing before, so I knew exactly where he's coming from.

[00:01:41] But you don't, that's why we were laughing at Yeah. You don't ask enough questions, right? About these types of scenarios. You don't know how to ask those questions. Therefore, you will conclude certain things in your mind that will sound like it's true and you'll pass this. Try to pass this fake, fake news knowledge.

[00:01:56] Fake news, Myan. Yeah. Fake news to other people. And, uh, either people you know, who don't care about you, would just think that you're an idiot, right? And never listen to you again. Or if you have a good crowd around you, like us, they'll challenge you enough to say, you know what, why don't you double check with your dad?

[00:02:10] But, 

[00:02:10] Harris: but I made up, I made the co uh, you know, the phone call up by asking those stupid fucking questions. 

[00:02:15] Eldar: That's correct. And that's important. What the stupid questions. But don't forget that we pushed you to ask those questions in order for you to get clarity that it's not 10 years. 

[00:02:24] Harris: No, not that st Not those questions, the stupid questions you had.

[00:02:26] May I ask, man? Oh, what happens if I die before 50? Oh, that's just, that's not 

[00:02:31] Eldar: a stupid question. That's not a stupid question too. That's also part of it. Yeah. But you knew what he No, I think it's important for you to also know, because he's, he's signing up for a 40 year trip. You're not even planning to live for 40 years.

[00:02:40] Oh, fuck you man. 

[00:02:42] Harris: What? We're gonna change that, man. I hope so. 

[00:02:44] Toliy: Allegedly. 

[00:02:44] Eldar: Yeah. In 40 years you're gonna be 67, my friend. 

[00:02:47] Harris: You ain't claiming the money, Talia. I know that's what you're thinking about, bro. 

[00:02:50] Eldar: No, he's gonna be the beneficiary. That's the only way we're gonna start our RA if, if totally is the beneficiary.

[00:02:54] He collects all the money. If when you die, I 

[00:02:56] Toliy: think at this point, you, you've donated more, uh, dead skin to this fund than, uh, than money. 

[00:03:04] Harris: Yeah, because I'm sunburn. Yeah. How's your dead skin doing? So, 

[00:03:07] Eldar: Jared, that was just an example of how sometimes, all right, we'll go about life thinking something that is true or is not.

[00:03:15] Right. And if you don't have people that around you that challenge you, right, you might suffer for a very long time. That's true. Because you under the wrong impression. So here we try to uncover some of these wrong impressions that we're under, right. And try to discuss them in such a way where we can bring ourselves some more clarity.

[00:03:32] So next time when we talk, we won't talk out of our ass. 

[00:03:37] Harris: Hi, my name Paul. Yes. 

[00:03:39] Toliy: Now question. Uh, um, other, is there anything you would advise for those people that do want to talk out of their ass? 

[00:03:45] Eldar: I do. I do. I think that if you do want to talk outta your ass, talk outta your ass as loud as possible. Mm. And as often as possible.

[00:03:52] Mm. 'cause sooner or later you're gonna come across a wall of people or a person who's gonna create a barrier and gonna say, wait, you're wrong. And then you're gonna be like, wait, what? Then you're gonna get into a fight to be a verbal fight. Look at the barrier. Yeah. Look at the barrier. Now 

[00:04:07] Toliy: if you wanna talk outta your ass more and like this is actually you, you wanna improve it, talking outta your ass.

[00:04:12] Do you have any suggestions for that? 

[00:04:13] Eldar: No, I actually think that there's no, that if he actually understands that talking outta your ass is actually bad for you, like bad for you mental health, fuck you, 

[00:04:20] Toliy: man, 

[00:04:20] Eldar: he's not gonna accept it. It's impossible. 

[00:04:22] Toliy: Mm-hmm. So you don't have any tips for getting better at it for that?

[00:04:25] Eldar: No. 

[00:04:25] Toliy: Okay. 

[00:04:26] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:04:26] Toliy: Just wondering, may may, maybe some people out there are looking at that. 

[00:04:30] Eldar: No, I agree. But it's an 

[00:04:31] Toliy: option. 

[00:04:32] Eldar: I, I think it's gonna be very hard to come by those people. Okay. Who are genuinely actually believe this, that they want to talk outta their as for rest of their 

[00:04:38] Toliy: life. So if they do, they have to look elsewhere.

[00:04:40] Eldar: That's right. We don't really have any touch. We can have those. Yeah. Okay. So totally with that being said, has a nice topic that he coined or called Life Life's Math. 

[00:04:51] Harris: Uh, I just wanna time out right there. Okay. Which podcast did you steal this off of? 

[00:04:58] Toliy: Oh Lord. Wow. I like it, bro. The one that you're not gonna listen to or understand, it's called Dennis Rocks.

[00:05:06] Harris: I like it that I highly doubt it, man. Yeah, you, you use a little, uh, you feisty guy. Feisty fucker. Yeah. Coffee, right? Motherfucker right here, man. You know? Yes. 

[00:05:18] Eldar: So, yeah. Um, the topic was TOS topic. The way he coined it was life's math, and he's under the impression, or his observation is telling him that most people get the get, get this life's math wrong.

[00:05:32] Right. And what do you mean by life's math? Totally. Can you expand on that? 

[00:05:35] Toliy: Yes, I can. Okay, great. Yeah, so I think that there's like, um, there's an equation to life and, and it's not like, um, like I. Parts of it is physical math, but a lot of it is, uh, metaphorical math in the sense of like, um, everybody wants to do things right?

[00:05:55] Maybe they want money, maybe they want like, uh, good relationships, right? Maybe they want, uh, like material items. Maybe they want, um, particular career success, right? Mm-hmm. Maybe they wanna learn how to do a hobby or an activity, right? And, um, once some, once somebody wants something, which is everybody, right?

[00:06:16] Pretty much everybody has desires. They have wants, they have goals, they have things that they want to do. Um, from that point on, they have a particular equation in their head of either steps to get there or like things that they need to do. And I think that, uh, the world proves that they're very bad at these, uh, these that, um, at this type of math, 

[00:06:39] Eldar: give concrete example.

[00:06:41] Um, UFC fighters. 

[00:06:45] Fighters, UFC fighters. What saying, oh, somebody who wants to join the UFC, for example, wanna make it to the 

[00:06:51] Harris: ufc, or one that lost the belt and still does TER terribly? Uh, 

[00:06:56] Toliy: well, like, for, for example, I, I, I could give it from like the um, UFC fighter standpoint. If you're a current UFC fighter, for example, and you have aspirations to be a champion and you're not, and you're just coming into the UFC, right?

[00:07:12] If you're good at something, but you're not all around, you're probably not going to be a champion. And if you are probably not for long, like you're gonna eventually get caught by, like, if you're a striker, you're gonna get caught by a wrestler. 

[00:07:26] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:07:27] Toliy: Um, if you're a really, really good wrestler and maybe a terrible striker, maybe you'll get caught by a striker.

[00:07:32] Mm-hmm. For example. Right. And oftentimes people internally, they obviously like they have aspirations. Either be the best, be the champion, be this. They clearly don't have the skills and they clearly are not doing like enough about like, improvement on those fields. Mm-hmm. Right. Because you see them like fight over fight, and a lot of them will just, they have the same skillset Right.

[00:07:55] And it just doesn't really like, um, evolve. Mm-hmm. But they still have a delusion of doing something. Yeah. So they're like understanding of how something works or, or what, like what needs to be done is wrong for, for, for example. 

[00:08:09] Eldar: Correct. 

[00:08:10] Toliy: You know? 

[00:08:10] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:08:11] Toliy: Um, 

[00:08:13] Eldar: and obviously we can bring up a lot of fights that you can relate to, you know, for example, right.

[00:08:17] Sean O'Malley versus Marab. Right. Sean O'Malley's under depression. They can beat Morat, but he can't wrestle. Yeah. So he loses every time. Yeah. That kind of man's scared of man. So you can go, 

[00:08:26] Toliy: you can quit jerking off, you can quit social media. Yeah. You can not dye your hair anymore. You can say that you're locked in.

[00:08:33] You could train for months, upon months, upon months. They, they're talking about everyday recovery, red light therapy, sauna. Yeah. This eating a particular way, living a disciplined lifestyle. Right. He is 

[00:08:44] Jared: not working on his grappling. Right. He can't succeed. Correct. 

[00:08:46] Toliy: No matter what. You got the wrong math here.

[00:08:49] Yeah. What, what this what you, you should have been 

[00:08:51] Eldar: doing, you should have probably eliminated everything else and not focus on that stuff. And solely work, but solely worked probably on grappling. Yeah. Because your standup game is already there, right? Mm-hmm. 

[00:09:00] Harris: And this, this is coming from a guy that said, oh, O'Malley's gonna beat 

[00:09:05] Eldar: Rah.

[00:09:05] You know what I'm saying? Yes. 

[00:09:07] Jared: Wow. I love, I love the, I knew Marba was gonna get in and wrestle the out. Yeah. No this's coming 

[00:09:12] Harris: from a guy speaking this made Well, no, because he also, he also bought, get tired. 

[00:09:16] Eldar: He also bought in, into the, the, the vision that, that O'Malley created and his team created. Right.

[00:09:21] They were pumping us with this narrative of like, yo, we've changed everything. We focused on grappling. We did all the changes. Yeah. We're 70, 80% better. Like, did you believe any of this? N no, I, I thought that Rob was gonna win, but I, I entertained it. I've entertained it with Connor when Connor said he is gonna, you know, like kill, kill Khabib.

[00:09:40] But like, we knew what Khabib's gonna come and do, and Connor doesn't have it. Like, we knew the outcome, like 

[00:09:45] Harris: same shit. I watched the first fight and I, but I entertained it. I had no faith that O'Malley was gonna win that fight. I didn't even watch it. And I knew that what was the, what it was gonna be, you know?

[00:09:55] Yeah. It's over. Yeah. 

[00:09:57] Eldar: So, yeah. So again, right. Watching all live was crazy. Those types of perceptions, right? Those types of perceptions that we create for ourselves lots of times Totally. Can expend on it now more. 

[00:10:09] Toliy: Yeah. Like lot, lots of times they, um, like we get put into this hamster wheel that we think that we're like either progressing towards something or that we're doing something and then like we got the wrong ingredients to like, to like get the wrong outcome and like.

[00:10:28] And, and like, you could definitely argue that like, um, you still progress, right? Like you still, you could be under the wrong impression and doing the wrong things, and then you could learn from them and then adjust and learn from them and like, adjust where like, oftentimes it's like, um, if you had the right like, uh, numbers behind, like what needs to be done, you could be doing the right things off the bat, um, to then be able to like turn what you have in your mind into reality.

[00:10:59] But how many times do you, does somebody have a goal or somebody have something that they want to do or like accomplish and then it doesn't work out in the way that they envisioned it to begin with, right? 

[00:11:09] Eldar: So if you really zoom in and, and, and pay attention to Totally is saying that he's trying to define human suffering, right?

[00:11:15] He's trying to explain the equation as to why we suffer. Imagine Harris Yes. Sets up this account. Right. Yeah. Let's just fast forward this. Imagine we have a fast forwarding click button. 

[00:11:25] Yeah. 

[00:11:26] Right. Sets this account up. He's 27, right. Starts putting away $2,000 every year into his account with under the impression that in 10 years when he is 37, he's gonna look in his account.

[00:11:38] Mm-hmm. And that money, that $20,000 that he contributed in 10 years turned into half a million dollars. Right. Let's fast forward that if he didn't ask questions. Mm-hmm. If he wasn't around us. Right. He just did it. He spent 10 years doing something and then the result is what? Oh shit, I was wrong. Where's my money?

[00:11:58] Mm-hmm. I was told something. Right. I was told that this was gonna happen, but it didn't. 

[00:12:03] Yeah. 

[00:12:04] This is just a small example and obviously he didn't go through it, you know, and it's a a long-term example, but right now, right now, you are not examining something that is actually, you are living out and you are under the wrong impression.

[00:12:20] Every single person in this room is doing that right now. 

[00:12:22] Toliy: Yes. Yeah. And, and, and it's all impacting us in similar ways, but different ways depending on like where we're at, um, in our own personal progression, rel relative to the, uh, desires we have or like the, uh, things that we want to like, um, accomplish or, or like do, but it's still impacting, um, all of us right now where sometimes it's like you want to keep chipping away at something or like do something, but then you spend like many years trying to accomplish it and then failing it, for example.

[00:12:56] Just to find out. Yeah. Just to find out that you need to do something completely different. Um, as an example, right? It's like if you're, for example, like if you're trying to, uh, I dunno, learn something, let's say like a jiujitsu, right? But you are tired. Every single day and you get bad sleep, but you wanna become a black belt, for example, right?

[00:13:22] Like, if you're gonna go to class every day, tired, the, like, what's in your minus of how long it'll take, for example, to be a black belt or how long that you think it takes versus like what it'll actually take, like you'll prove that you're not gonna be able to pick up like the, uh, teachings, you're not gonna be able to perform at a high level consistently for ex, for example.

[00:13:43] Whereas like, you could be doing this and doing this and doing this and then get frustrated and then eventually start maybe making some changes. Um, or like, which is very hard, I guess like in, in, in retrospect, right? But you can like put your ego down and say like, Hey, maybe I'm gonna invest first and figure out, figure out a way to get good sleep.

[00:14:05] Right? And if you got that to that place where you actually got good, good sleep, you might perform at a, a juujitsu at like a 30 x higher rate off the gate.

[00:14:17] But most people will try to live out the, uh, delusion that they could do, do something without respecting like their body or without respecting, like, what's actually needed to do that, 

[00:14:29] Eldar: the process. 

[00:14:29] Toliy: So if they're doing that, it shows to me that they have wrong life math. They don't have the, the, the math of life, um, correctly.

[00:14:37] And they continue to want stuff that doesn't make sense for their abilities and what they know. And we all experience this. We, we all want particular things that we're realistically, if we got properly examined and checked, we're probably not capable of. But in our heads, we have a grandiose like idea or plan as to like how we're going to accomplish it.

[00:14:59] Eldar: Mm-hmm. You 

[00:15:00] Toliy: know? 

[00:15:00] Eldar: Uh, life real, real life examples always come down to, you know, how we plan out our life. Harris, by 27 years old, a lot of times you said, Hey, I already thought that I was gonna be here. Right. Maybe moved outta your parents' house or two kids. No, I 

[00:15:13] Harris: didn't think that. I looked at other people and it was like, what the fuck am I doing wrong with 

[00:15:17] Eldar: my life?

[00:15:18] Right, right. There you go. In comparison. That's one more, right? When my cousin was here, he was like, Hey, I'm 30 years old. I supposed to have already wife and kids and established career and a house to live in, so 

[00:15:28] Harris: start 

[00:15:28] Eldar: my own bar, you know? There you go. Right? So a lot of times, right, we make up these goals, and then the ingredient that actually causes a suffering, I think is attachment.

[00:15:38] This is what we need to talk about a lot more, right? We attach ourselves to these goals, and when those goals are not met, we look at ourselves and like, oh shit, what happened? Why am I a piece of shit? Why am I, why is this not working out? Why am I a loser? 

[00:15:53] Toliy: Why? The question is this, why, why, um, why are people in general so skilled, and I'm gonna use the word skilled here for a reason?

[00:16:04] Why are they so skilled and so expert level at making goals or projections or having desires, but so novice level and beginner. At knowing what it takes to accomplish them. How can you have, like, why is one so much easier than the other? 

[00:16:23] Eldar: What you're saying is asking is like, why are people much better at deceiving themselves Right.

[00:16:29] Uh, in order to get to their goal? 

[00:16:31] Mike: Uh, to me though, there's a very specific reason why that happens. I think what, what came to mind, people are in pain a lot of the [00:16:40] time and what gets 'em outta the pain is those exciting things. Okay. So what 

[00:16:45] Eldar: you're saying is that imagination. Mm-hmm. Our imagination, right?

[00:16:49] Yeah. Oh, by 30, what if I was a millionaire with my own business? 

[00:16:53] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[00:16:53] Eldar: Right? That imagination thing. Oh, that would be nice. But the thing is, 

[00:16:56] Mike: desires 

[00:16:57] Eldar: are 

[00:16:57] Mike: generally driven from, or probably I wanna say from suffering and they cause suffering. 

[00:17:05] Toliy: But that, that, that, that's also like an interesting thing, like if you're in.

[00:17:10] Suffering. Mm-hmm. How could you still desire things that you're not because you have ice? Yeah. Well, look. Well, that's what I'm saying is that like, how do you learn these abilities to be like, oh, like I want to get into like, learning how to build something. Yeah. By the next, like, in 30 days, I wanna learn how to, like, I'll probably be able to know how to build a house from scratch.

[00:17:31] Yeah. Right? Like, how, how does that, how does that happen? 

[00:17:37] Eldar: Humility. Not enough humility. 

[00:17:39] Toliy: No. But like, how do you, we're not a clean slate. How do you know how to project? Like for something like, how, how do you actually learn how to have that kind of desire? Mm-hmm. Like, why don't, why don't you say like, oh, I don't know.

[00:17:52] Yeah. Like, I'd like to be able to put two boards together with a nail. Yeah. In, in, in a week with, in a month for, for example, right? Yeah. Yeah. Properly. Yeah. Or like a week, right? Yeah. Properly. Right. Why do you, why do you say the equivalent of I want to build a house and because so, so, so wait, so, so 

[00:18:06] Eldar: then we have the wrong perception of time.

[00:18:08] No, 

[00:18:09] Toliy: no, not, not, not time even. It's, I mean, it's like time mixed with like learning ability mixed with, um, how difficult something is to begin with. 

[00:18:20] Mike: Yeah. But that you're, I think you're talking about advance. People are not, people are thinking like, okay, are you gonna, is is, you're gonna get hard from, I don't know,

[00:18:32] something small, like putting two boards together, or is your dick gonna get hard from building a house? 

[00:18:38] Toliy: Well, sure. But all I'm saying is that how does your dick measure what it needs to get hard to begin with on, on that level? 

[00:18:45] Harris: What the hell's going on here, man? Why is Mike talking about Dick's man? Well, sure.

[00:18:49] Eldar: We are talking about Dicks right now, but why do you have the biggest smile in the room? Yeah, I'm 

[00:18:53] Toliy: laughing because you have the biggest smile in room. You, you have the biggest smile here. Laugh because 

[00:18:57] Harris: Jared's laughing. I got a question, man. My man, how can I not laugh at that? What's going on with you, bro?

[00:19:04] You got like a fetish with dicks or something, bro. Yeah. Like what the fuck? No, I'm saying 

[00:19:07] Toliy: that like why do, like, why, why do you, do you have, why get excited? How about that? Yeah. Why do you have the ability to get excited off that? Like why doesn't that, 'cause 

[00:19:14] Mike: you would have to trace back, uh, when you were a little, little kid, little dolphin.

[00:19:19] And when you develop this thing, and that'd be hard to, I think too. 

[00:19:26] Eldar: Yeah, because like, 

[00:19:27] Mike: you, like Harris help him, you know, she's got a problem. People know what is required for them to get the fire in upon upon them. 

[00:19:36] Toliy: Yeah. But where was this acquisition of this fire 

[00:19:39] Mike: gotten? You're not gonna answer that question.

[00:19:42] Toliy: Yeah, but let's figure it out. 

[00:19:43] Mike: Harris figure it help on the 

[00:19:44] Toliy: individual level. Your data is No, no. But don't No, but this is across the board. Yeah. Every, everyone has this wrong misperception of like, what, what, what something takes, like, what's the math here? Mm-hmm. Everybody has this math wrong. Mm-hmm. How did they get to that place?

[00:20:00] Why does everybody get to the place where they're. Ability to calculate something is wrong. 

[00:20:05] Mm-hmm. 

[00:20:07] Why does, why does their imagination not, um, line up with reality? 

[00:20:13] Harris: Because they want something so bad? I don't know. So he's talking about attachments. You, you think about something and you get your yourself excited about something.

[00:20:20] You get attached to it and then 

[00:20:22] Toliy: Yeah. But why did nothing 

[00:20:23] Harris: else is gonna work for you because your eyes are set on that one fucking thing. Yeah. 

[00:20:30] Eldar: Well, because what you really want is No, it's all combined together. What Mike said, it's because you're in pain. Okay. If you are in pain, therefore you want to relief of pain, that thing that you're looking for is the relief of pain.

[00:20:43] And obviously who wants to be in pain for a long period of time. Mm-hmm. No one. So I'd like to get there and be pain free as soon as possible. Mm-hmm. I think the equation is very simple. 

[00:20:52] Mike: Yeah, that makes 

[00:20:52] Eldar: sense. But obviously along the lines, there's more details that's in it, that's baked in into this whole equation.

[00:20:58] But I think that's like the, um, the raw version of it, that's like the bones of it. 

[00:21:02] Mm-hmm. 

[00:21:02] You in pain. Yeah. Whatever it is. What gives a fuck? Like depression and like, whatever. Yeah. It could be depression, it could be, you know, you're embarrassed, you still live at, at home, you know, you can't bring a girl into the house.

[00:21:14] You know what I mean? So like you create right? You have an insecurity. So that's pain. So then you create a goal, right? Oh, I'm moving out a month. Well, you don't even have a job. What do you mean? What are you moving out to? You know what I mean? Like, you start creating those things because you're trying to alleviate the original pain, which is I'm insecure, I can't bring a girl out to my house.

[00:21:33] Because when I did go date with her, she said, you still live at home. You know what I mean? Like pain. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It could be whatever. 

[00:21:41] Mike: But I just thought about this, that learned behavior that you're asking about. What's the core of it? Um, when you're a little kid and you throw a fit and your parents don't.

[00:21:51] Discipline you and say, no, you're not allowed to have this and say, okay, fine. Take this. You learn something very specific there. You learn how to trick the system, gain the system to get what you want, right? Even though you may not deserve it, now you learn that behavior and now you can apply it to your own life.

[00:22:07] Toliy: I just figured it out. Okay. That's 

[00:22:09] Mike: the shortcuts. I 

[00:22:09] Toliy: think it's that. You don't think it's that? I don't think it's that, but but what you just said, I, I, I think led me to figure it out. 

[00:22:15] Eldar: Okay. 

[00:22:16] Toliy: When you're very young, from a young, why are you copy me, man? Who cause your 

[00:22:19] Eldar: ears, Harris. Don't listen to this. This might be the Chico right here.

[00:22:22] Toliy: No, what you said, like, uh, it sparked it. Mm-hmm. They don't got it from, from a very young age. What are we taught? Don't, can be strangers, could be anything. 

[00:22:32] Harris: You could be anything you want to be. 

[00:22:33] Toliy: You could be anything. You want to be to dream big. To dream big, right? Don't let anybody tell you you can't do something.

[00:22:42] Right. So I. Yeah, they say 

[00:22:44] Harris: that. And until you become an adult and they're like, yo, what the fuck you doing with your life? Like, what are you doing chasing this? What do you think You're doing stupid dream. 

[00:22:52] Jared: You 

[00:22:52] Toliy: can't be this person. Like when Yeah, you can't be this, you can't be that. 

[00:22:56] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:22:57] Toliy: When, when, when you're young.

[00:22:59] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:22:59] Toliy: The rhetoric is what? Think big. You can be anything you want to be When you get older, like Harris look like Harris is saying what they say. You gotta do something realistic. Come on man, you gotta go to be an astronaut. Astronaut. Be a be a electrician. Electrician. You gotta go to the MTA. Yeah. Yo, you gotta do something realistic.

[00:23:18] Harris: Like no one's ever called out their parents like, yo, what happened to following my dreams? You know? And all this shit. Shit you told me when I was a kid. Yeah. So when get well, that's what everybody says get. 

[00:23:25] Toliy: So when you get years and years of this rhetoric that you could do anything, you could do anything.

[00:23:29] You could do anything. Mm. I think from that young age when your mind is very like, like when you're a kid. Um, during, during that age, like your imagination at that age is the craziest, right? Yes. Like you have the biggest like fantasy that all. Okay, so is that a true statement or 

[00:23:47] Eldar: not? 

[00:23:47] Toliy: Yes. 

[00:23:48] Eldar: So it is a true statement.

[00:23:49] It is a true statement. So Harris, so it's not calling your parents out for saying the true, the true statement mm-hmm. 

[00:23:54] Harris: Your parents parents for setting you up. No, no, no. He's 

[00:23:57] Eldar: saying it's a true statement, is calling yourself out. You can actually, yeah. You can actually become whatever you want to become.

[00:24:02] Right? You can, you can dream and be as big as you want to be. 

[00:24:06] Toliy: Yes, you can. But they don't tell you. It doesn't mean that it's going to happen. Correct. They don't, they don't give you the warnings that like, yeah, look, 

[00:24:13] Eldar: you have 

[00:24:14] Harris: two left feet. 

[00:24:14] Toliy: You can't be hockey player, player. You might have to be, you know, I got shot, shot in the foot, 

[00:24:18] Harris: bro.

[00:24:18] Right? Like, uh, ever since I was a kid, oh, oh, I'm gonna join the military. I'm gonna join the military. Yeah. I go there. The recruiter trying to set me up for a fall for two years in fucking federal prison when my friend had to say, Hey, they got stricter rules. Now there's no way you're gonna fly by. Mm-hmm.

[00:24:33] You can't fucking be that. Yeah. I'm a psychotic motherfucker. 

[00:24:37] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:24:38] Harris: Can't let you win. No. Well, they can let me in. I'm just, there's a good chance somebody get arrested. Yes. 

[00:24:45] Toliy: Yeah. So the, like, you, you get that rhetoric in your head that you can be anything. You could be anything, but like, it, it's definitely like an imagination filled, like, like, just like land Right.

[00:24:56] Fantasy. 

[00:24:56] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:24:56] Toliy: But if you don't take proper steps or you don't do proper things, you don't get proper guidance, education, you definitely cannot be anything. So I'm, I'm not sure if the proper thing is to tell kids to like, like, look, realistically you might not amount to, I think like, I, I don't know if that's the proper thing to tell kids at that kind of age.

[00:25:18] Right? Or is it to, to empower them and tell them to dream big. Um, 

[00:25:22] Eldar: but I'm not sure it's conducive. I'm not sure if that, if saying it like that is conducive. Yeah. Yeah. I think that, I think what you're saying, the hybrid version is like, Hey, the truth is you can be anything you want, however, most likely you won't because.

[00:25:35] It takes X, Y, and Z in order to get there. Are you willing to go? No, no, 

[00:25:39] Toliy: no. But this, if you're gonna be the one that opens up the imagination. 

[00:25:43] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:25:43] Toliy: You have to be there along the way to educate the shit. To educate and support. Agree. Because you can't tell somebody. I agree. That's ethics. Now you're talking about ethics now.

[00:25:51] Yeah. You can't tell somebody, hey, like there's like a, uh, unlimited happy land over here. Yeah. 

[00:25:57] Harris: And 

[00:25:57] Toliy: just leave them. Yes. For, for example, like a abandonment. You gotta be 

[00:26:00] Harris: able to be put in the effort from a very young age to get to that point. Yeah. But you, like I watched a documentary on NASCAR drivers, right?

[00:26:08] Mm-hmm. They explained, yeah. When they were kids, they started off in their racing thing. The problem with that was they didn't really have time to hang out on the weekends 'cause they were taking go-karts or they were taking midget cars and racing. Mm-hmm. So they missed out on a lot of hanging out with friends.

[00:26:24] They were at the tracks. 

[00:26:25] Jared: Yeah. They were training. Yeah. Practicing. Yeah. 

[00:26:27] Harris: Yeah. And you know, you, you have to sacrifice a lot of things. So a lot times they gotta do that. A lot of times the kids. Either don't wanna do that or their parents say, Hey, it's not a good idea. That's right. So I guess totally is right.

[00:26:40] Right. You can go and pursue something, but you have to start at a young age, get training sacrifice times away from your friends and shit like this. But 

[00:26:49] Eldar: he's also saying that actually it's also the burden on, uh, is on parents to be able to, um, provide, see it through, provide Right. And see it through say, spend the money.

[00:26:58] Hey Johnny, you wanna be a NASCAR driver? Sure. It takes a lot of work. It also takes a lot of money. It takes a lot of money. Right. It takes a lot of effort. 'cause they, 

[00:27:06] Harris: they were talking about how this one kid, their parents Yeah. Had to sell cars, had to, there you go. Sell like, take out a loan on the house to mm-hmm.

[00:27:14] Afford to run work two jobs. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. I seen this kind of stuff. A lot of times 

[00:27:19] it's not in, uh, it's not in the cards. Right. It's for regular, but, but for a lot of people. But if I would've said, 

[00:27:23] Hey ma, I wanna pursue nascar. 

[00:27:26] Yeah. 

[00:27:26] Uh, keep, buy me a go-kart. Keep buy me midget card. Yeah. No, I can't buy you that shit.

[00:27:30] Yeah. I don't put the money for that fucking shit. No. 

[00:27:32] Toliy: There are certain things that like, I think like, um, if you have particular like, um, talent mm-hmm. Right? Like you're like, um, 

[00:27:42] Eldar: if, if they're seen or discovered. Yeah. 

[00:27:45] Toliy: Discovered like, like for example, like if you have frequency, big feet. Feet. Yeah. Like if, if, if you're um, if you're very like athletic right?

[00:27:55] And then you get put into like a school which like a lot of schools have, like for example like basketball teams and stuff like that. 

[00:28:01] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:28:02] Toliy: If you start to excel and you start to do to dominate, right? Let's just say someone like, um, like who was like highly touted from when they were a kid, like a LeBron James.

[00:28:10] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:28:11] Toliy: For example. Clearly he was clearly like 

[00:28:13] Eldar: better 

[00:28:14] Toliy: a man playing with like, um, kids from when he was at the age of a kid. Yeah. But he had the body already of like a man. 

[00:28:20] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:28:20] Toliy: Right. Um, like they saw his talent, they saw that he's, you know, um, I dunno, 10 years old, but could play with people who are like 16, 17.

[00:28:30] Mm-hmm. People start seeing that and then they start placing you in like particular things where that 

[00:28:34] Eldar: was the easy one 

[00:28:34] Toliy: to see. Yeah. Yeah. But you don't need to be that, but for the majority of like careers or the majority of things that people do, like, I like talent. Like talent one I think only gets you so far.

[00:28:47] I think that you need particular like work ethic mm-hmm. Like behind it and you need particular decisions. Like if, if LeBron James from mc kid started doing crack or like started doing crazy drugs, right? All, all that can easily be like a erase. Right? But for the 99.9% of people out there, they're not going to be in careers or in situations where they could just rely on like raw talent and that's it.

[00:29:16] That's it. Yeah. Someone just identifying their, their talent and them not having to like put particular work. Um, uh, behind it. Right. And that's also, I think what feeds into the delusion of people is that like you can view anyone, like, like, like in any scenario that you view them to be successful. If you view someone who's like super rich, like if you're a person that views that as success and for example, that's what you want, you don't see the, uh, tireless hours or like particular work that gets put in behind the scenes for that.

[00:29:49] You, you usually will see like, 'cause it's like the reason you're finding someone to be successful is not that they're in the progress of doing something. It's usually that you see a end result of something. 

[00:30:00] Eldar: Hmm. 

[00:30:01] Toliy: Right. So you're not like, oh hey, like, yeah, like I really admire this person here. He's in year one of 30 of succeeding.

[00:30:08] Eldar: Hmm. 

[00:30:09] Toliy: Right? 

[00:30:09] Eldar: Yeah. Or 

[00:30:10] Toliy: like year seven out of 30. I I, I'm making it there. Yeah. Right. You look at the person who's at year 30 at 35, 40 for just like. Relative example. Yeah. Right. Of like, like, uh, of, of, of that level of success. 

[00:30:23] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:30:23] Toliy: Right. Um, and then you use your imagination of thinking that you could do anything probably combined with that.

[00:30:30] And then you just have the wrong perception, which is like, the wrong perception is wrong math. Like, that's what it is. So what, what problem, what 

[00:30:39] Eldar: problem are you having? Why are you even making this up anyway? Why, like, why are you saying this? Why do you feel like this is needs to be said in the first place?

[00:30:45] Like, who are you talking to? 

[00:30:47] Toliy: Well, um, I, I, I, I think the disconnect that happens is this, is that if we're saying, well, hold on a sec before I say 

[00:30:55] Eldar: that. 

[00:30:55] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:30:56] Eldar: There is no disconnect. I think this is like how life works. 

[00:31:00] Toliy: Yes. No, no. It's definitely how life works. I think that like nobody's sitting 

[00:31:03] Eldar: here complaining about it.

[00:31:04] Right? Like Harris, like you're not sitting here complaining about the fact that like, he's still gonna get that half a million in 10 years. Who gives a fuck? 

[00:31:10] Harris: No, I'm not. 

[00:31:12] Eldar: Oh, not a nine example, but you know what I mean? 

[00:31:14] Toliy: Yeah. To, to me. Like suffering is the com complaint. 

[00:31:17] Harris: That's right. I'm gonna get to half a million off sales now in, in, in 10 years, man.

[00:31:21] Now we're talking 

[00:31:23] Toliy: in 10 years. 

[00:31:24] Harris: Yeah. God bless. I'm gonna win the fucking lottery. He's going, going steady, man. Billionaire man's gonna win the lottery, man. Come billionaire. And then if I, all my money and water bend, what? Mm-hmm. Yes. So what are you saying? 

[00:31:40] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:31:41] Eldar: Who are you speaking? And actually, I'm probably not speaking to anyone.

[00:31:44] 21, because the truth of the matter is, right. Let's say this, all right. Let's say, let's make an assumption that billions of people will start listening to this podcast, and they're like, totally is right. I got all my shit fucked up, all my, my perceptions are wrong, and all the goals that I made are gonna get erased.

[00:32:02] What, who are you gonna get? Like are you assuming that like everyone's gonna succeed and now do the right thing and then Well, no, I think like how, how will that look like? 

[00:32:09] Toliy: No, no, no. The only thing I think that what can happen from that is that if you constantly raise awareness of that. 

[00:32:15] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:32:15] Toliy: Right. And you get to a point of saying that like, yeah.

[00:32:19] Like over the last, like, I don't know, five, 10 years, I've made a bunch of plans to do a bunch of things. Yeah. And it seems like I continuously run into problems where things don't work out. Okay. Right. And if you get yourself in a position to say, why is that happening? And then you, you, you then make the realization that, well, it's happening because I have the wrong perception of things.

[00:32:40] Yeah. Right. Then I think that you can slowly go into the process saying, okay, let me examine these things. Right. Yeah. 

[00:32:47] Eldar: Be 

[00:32:48] Toliy: a little bit smarter. Sure. Mm-hmm. Let, let me start to examine these things. Mm-hmm. And then upon examination, maybe you could start making particular changes and see. Okay. Um. I've been trying to run for two hours a day, and every time it doesn't work out, why don't I like rest for this amount or do this for this amount instead, and then run for this amount.

[00:33:08] And then for example, like over time you could say like, oh, hey, like this, this, um, slow and steady plan is actually better than me having this outrageous desire to run for two hours a day when I've [00:33:20] never ran in my life. Really? So the point of it is that if you, if you slowly ask yourself questions, and if you are suffering, which if you're listening to this podcast, you most likely are suffering from something, right?

[00:33:33] Everyone is, yeah. Um, if you, if, if, if you're sick of it, only if you're sick of it or you're unhappy with it, then you can start asking particular questions to um, uh. To get to the bottom of it. So 

[00:33:51] Eldar: let me ask you this question. Yeah, sure. You described the very beautiful process, which I think that is, works well.

[00:33:56] This is part of life. Mm-hmm. And everybody learns this way Yeah. As humans. Correct. If so, what's wrong with Harris being on a 25 year plan and you being on a 10 year plan? What's wrong with somebody being on a one year plan? Well, I don't think the, I don't think the question is wrong or, or not wrong. It just, well, no, he has a pro, he has a, he's got a bone to pick.

[00:34:16] Well, me and him had a little talk about this before and like he just described a very good process. I think that it's instilled in us Yeah. As humans and we learn through a level of, you know, trial and error. Mm-hmm. You know, we're trying things out. This doesn't work, trying this out doesn't work. And we adjust.

[00:34:33] Right. Yeah. Harris can't walk for an hour right now. Okay. Well can you work for 10 minutes? His legs hurt. 

[00:34:39] Mm-hmm. 

[00:34:40] Can you walk for 10 minutes? Right. Setting up realistic goals. Mm-hmm. The ones that are comfort you're comfortable with. Yeah. But it's gonna take some time to figure this out. It's a trial and error situation.

[00:34:49] Yeah. What is wrong with this process? Well, I think we're set up perfectly. 

[00:34:53] Mike: It's, yeah. I think everything that's happening is perfectly Yeah. The way it's supposed to be. So, but he's got a bone to pick. Well, 

[00:34:59] Toliy: no, I, I, I, yeah. He always has a bone to pick with this thing 

[00:35:02] Mike: though. 

[00:35:02] Toliy: No, but I'm saying is that like, if you're, if, if you're, um, like, like the way that you're talking about to, to, uh, think is like, it's a way that works, but I think it's still more of a primitive way, 

[00:35:15] Eldar: but nonetheless 

[00:35:16] Toliy: it's way, way, is there another way that Yeah, but he always tries to skip the process.

[00:35:20] What? No. Show another way that it 

[00:35:22] Mike: works. 

[00:35:22] Toliy: Well, no. Like, it, it's, it like, but 

[00:35:24] Mike: this is doable. 

[00:35:26] Toliy: Well, no, I'm saying that the way that we're talk, the, the, the way that we're talking about here, um, it definitely works, right? Because it shows, it, it, it, it operates through, um, pain and severe pain over time. Mm-hmm.

[00:35:39] Being, being, um, the teacher, a teacher for you. Yeah. And helping you to lower your ego. Right. Mm-hmm. That, that's definitely a way of doing things. Right. Okay. But there are times in your life where you opt out of learning in that kind of fashion, and you opt into, for example, like lowering your ego on something 

[00:35:59] Eldar: mm-hmm.

[00:36:00] Toliy: And learning a different way on that thing where you're just like, instead of saying, like, saying, okay, like, I'm like, like I'm, I'm, I'm gonna hear some, like a person out. Mm-hmm. Or I'm gonna go with something without ego. That's you using your mind. Mm-hmm. To not have to learn in a moronic way. 

[00:36:17] Mike: Yeah. But how can you, um, what you're saying, I understand what you're saying, but, mm.

[00:36:26] Let's say what he's saying is 

[00:36:27] Eldar: that he's speeding up the process, right? He's, no, 

[00:36:29] Mike: I, I know what he's saying, but I think what he's saying is the attempts that you decide to lower your ego in that specific field. How do you know this isn't the hundredth attempt? 

[00:36:39] Toliy: Well, no, we're talking about like thinking here.

[00:36:41] Right. 

[00:36:42] Mike: Yeah. But how do you know that it didn't take you a hundred times not to think, to finally think on the hundred time? 

[00:36:47] Toliy: Well, no, it might have it, it might. It's not like somebody's like, you know what, I'm gonna be 

[00:36:51] Mike: egotistical. Like the, the point to get to the point where you're talking about Yeah.

[00:36:56] Where the person is like, understand something and wants to be Yeah. Humble. It may take a hundred failures in one specific subject. Correct. And a hundred, it might take a thousand, it might take five for someone, but it might take a hundred for others. 

[00:37:08] Toliy: Yes, yes, yes. The 

[00:37:09] Mike: question. Yes, correct. But, but the thing is, we don't know, um, how to get there any faster.

[00:37:15] I don't know if there's a faster way to get there. If it's supposed 

[00:37:17] Toliy: to. The, the, the, the, the, the faster way to get there is to start to think, to start to, to start to your mind. But how would you start 

[00:37:25] Mike: to think 

[00:37:27] Toliy: by, by asking questions, by, um, by, yeah. 

[00:37:31] Mike: How do you start to questions, 

[00:37:33] Toliy: boy, what, how and why would you start to ask questions about things 

[00:37:35] Mike: that you're not aware of?

[00:37:37] Toliy: Yeah. But you will, like if, uh, I'm not saying this is for, for everyone, right? I'm saying that. Mm-hmm. If you're, if, if you start to think about these kind of things and you have the capability to start asking more questions, to start being more humble mm-hmm. To start being, uh, maybe be more calculated to start like curious.

[00:37:57] Yeah. More curious to start like being more aware. 

[00:38:00] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:38:01] Toliy: Then you'll have the opportunity to, um, break what whatever, um, destiny or whatever path that you were on that mm-hmm. It might have taken you like 10,000 more tries 

[00:38:13] Eldar: mm-hmm. 

[00:38:13] Toliy: Of doing this. Right. Um, okay. Hold on one second. 

[00:38:17] Eldar: I got it. Harris. Hmm. Do you become more skeptical about some of the conclusions you make about life or less skeptical being with us?

[00:38:27] Like Right. The trajectory here is Right. Every time you, you think that something depends what it is. Right. Okay. Fine. Fine. But nonetheless, overall coming here, are you more skeptical about you being right or less skeptical of you being Right. 

[00:38:42] Mike: More skeptical. More skeptical. Yeah. But that depends on the subject.

[00:38:45] Eldar: Yeah. No, sure. And he, he would say that too, but I already said that. But what totally is saying that at the end of the day, right, if you heighten your level of awareness, of knowing this, the fact that like, yo, look, I might be talking outta my ass here. Lemme just double check what I'm saying. 

[00:38:59] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:39:00] Eldar: The more and more that accumulates, you start to become to think.

[00:39:03] Mm-hmm. So you'll be, you'll be a lot more careful making conclusions about life. Yes. That 

[00:39:08] Toliy: and, and, and right now we can all attest that when we were in a point of our lives when we were really like dumb for example, or really dumb at something mm-hmm. When we saw someone else doing something, doing that thing Right.

[00:39:20] And they were really like, good at it, or like, like something was like unbelievable to you. Right. Um, you, you almost felt that person was hacking. Right. Yeah, I would agree. So like for example, like, like the way that elder does particular things or the way that he lives his life, someone who's like crazy suffering could like be like, yo, this guy's doing magic, right?

[00:39:44] Mm-hmm. They'll call it magic because it's an unex unexplainable thing to, to them as to what's going on. And when they develop and they understand this math a little bit better, oh, it makes sense. They can see that elder's doing a simple equation here. 

[00:39:58] Jared: So it 

[00:39:58] Toliy: makes sense that it's like a very, like one plus one here.

[00:40:02] He's not doing any like magic, right? But to the person who's completely, I granular, like, holy shit. Like how can he do this? He's levitating, right? But then as you progress, you realize, you heard I'm a 

[00:40:13] Eldar: magician, 

[00:40:14] Toliy: Jared, you realize he's just doing basic. That's what I've heard. He's just doing the basic math that at that portion in your life, you couldn't even wrap your head around it.

[00:40:21] Mm-hmm. So to you it was that, so the like, it, it, it sounds like I'm saying that you like trying to hack something because like that's like. One way to try to try to explain it. Explain it. Yes. It's, but the reality is, is that it's not, if you're someone who listens more, who, um, um, like is attentive and actually wants, like, act like actually has that desire for something, you can put yourself in a position to cut your prison sentence, um, down to whatever you were supposed to get.

[00:40:53] Eldar: Are you willing to do this? 

[00:40:55] Harris: Probably not. Uh, it's very hard for me to do anything he says, like, sales, right? Mm-hmm. He tried to, as he put a, gave me. Uh, tried to gimme the speedy way. Yeah. And I wasn't able to do it that way. Oh, I just realized too, 

[00:41:10] Toliy: why he always says that fucking line that drives me nuts.

[00:41:13] Let me put it to you this way. His fucking dad says that nonstop. Well, let me put it to you this way. Yeah. Well, let me put it this way. Let me put it this way. Let me 

[00:41:19] Harris: put it to you this 

[00:41:20] Toliy: way. Dude said a lot, Harris. Why rewatch that video? His dad said that five to 10 times. Yeah, no, I know. I heard, I've heard this before.

[00:41:27] Father, every time he said this, 

[00:41:29] Harris: now I know why. Let me put it to you this way. I did that on purpose, man. He became 

[00:41:32] Eldar: you. You realize why you're gonna die young or No, because you're already 65 years old. Yeah. Fuck 

[00:41:37] Harris: you. But, uh, totally right. Yeah. He tried to gimme the speedy weight to sales, right? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:41:44] But I wasn't ready for that. We determined Correct. I needed an L It's a speedy way. 

[00:41:49] Toliy: It's not a. Speedy way at all. 

[00:41:50] Harris: It's advanced. It's whatever. It is advanced Yes. 

[00:41:54] Toliy: For you. It, it's, it's not even advanced. 'cause he 

[00:41:56] Harris: he did it. He did it right. He, he did it because what? He wanted me to skip some shit he went through.

[00:42:01] No, no, 

[00:42:01] Toliy: no, no. But it's not even advanced. It, it, it's like, if, if you don't wanna do it that way, it, it's like you proving to yourself and to others that like, you're not on that level yet. Yeah. No, no. Not that You're not on the level of that, that like, you don't actually wanna learn right now. Well, you're not on that level.

[00:42:19] Yeah. 

[00:42:19] Eldar: Well, sure. 

[00:42:20] Toliy: So now you're, you're basically saying that, Hey, I don't really want this. 

[00:42:23] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:42:24] Toliy: Right. I kind of want to like, you know, sit back more or less. Yeah. And not learn right now. Correct. And then you can go in a different way. Correct. But 

[00:42:32] Mike: the reasons, I feel, the reasons why people opt in for that, which you just described.

[00:42:36] Eldar: No. Originally, obviously he's like, yo, I'm gonna come in here. I wanna do sales, I wanna do all this stuff, obviously, right? Mm-hmm. And the path to victories were totally, because he has more of advanced level of sales. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Where monetarily you can get there quicker. Which you keep saying that this is important, right.

[00:42:51] For your dad, for yourself, for the truth matters. But truth of matters is you still, you're supposed to be flipping burgers and, and, and Burger King. Yeah, 

[00:42:57] Toliy: yeah, yeah. So yeah. You prove that you actually don't want to do Yeah. What you're saying that you want to do. Correct. Yeah. We're starting from the bottom 

[00:43:05] Harris: man.

[00:43:05] That's right. In El and it seems to be worth, but I think 

[00:43:08] Mike: that comes from, I hope so. From come gonna come back to those things like the suffering. Yeah. Attachments and the desires. Yes. He is not able to do what you're asking him to do because he cannot concentrate because he has so many desires and attachments, correct?

[00:43:21] Well, no. And suffering. No, you're asking him to do something that's very hard for him. Mm-hmm. Because his brain is fried. 

[00:43:27] Toliy: Well, no, what, what is happening is that when you have a second person involved 

[00:43:31] Mike: mm-hmm. 

[00:43:32] Toliy: Right. This is part of this life math thing, right? 

[00:43:35] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:43:36] Toliy: Um, if you have wrong life math. 

[00:43:39] Eldar: Mm-hmm.

[00:43:39] Toliy: Right? Which, for example, in Harris's case to say, Hey, like, I like to learn sales. Right? The, the difference is this, when you're alone, when you're alone in it, and you're making your own decisions, right? Your goals or what you wanna do is a black and white, like a, um, depiction. Mm-hmm. Right? It's a black and white depiction.

[00:44:02] Your perception of it, your perception of it is the wrong one. That doesn't need to be black and white, but your goal can be black and white. When you get another person, um, uh, involved, they can put that black and white mirror in front of you. Mm-hmm. And your wrong perception will not work to it. Does that make sense?

[00:44:26] Yes. Like, like you can say that like, hey, like I, I like, uh, um, like I want to be a portfolio manager of like a $10 million fund. Mm-hmm. Or, or a billion dollar fund. Right. Okay. You could say that no matter what, anyone could say that. Sure. Anyone, right. You're allowed to believe this, want this, and think this.

[00:44:43] Mm-hmm. Right? But when you get in front of someone who's a a billion dollar portfolio manager 

[00:44:49] Eldar: mm-hmm. 

[00:44:49] Toliy: And then that person, for example, is tasked to train you. 

[00:44:53] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:44:54] Toliy: For example, right? 

[00:44:55] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:44:55] Toliy: You are gonna prove that you don't actually want this, and now you can no longer live in a fan C world mm-hmm. 

[00:45:02] Eldar: Of 

[00:45:03] Toliy: like, wanting whatever you want.

[00:45:04] You prove that this is not what you actually want. And, um, if you don't bring a second person into it. That's where you could be under that mis like, uh, mis like, uh, misperception for a long time because you never get into a point where you're, where you get checked for reality or not. That's right. Right.

[00:45:23] So that person who says like, Hey, I wanna earn a hundred grand, for example. Okay, let me teach you right of how to do it. And if you're not actually learning or doing the steps or taking the, um, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, steps needed, you actually prove to yourself and to others that you actually don't wanna be a portfolio manager or a hundred thousand dollars earner or mm-hmm.

[00:45:47] Whatever it is that, that you're talking about, right? Mm-hmm. Talking about. But if you sit there and you listen, right? And you are humble, for example, and you actually, um, like put in, put in a, like put in a good effort into it. Right. And you prove that you actually are sitting there ready, ready, willing, and able to learn.

[00:46:09] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:46:09] Toliy: You will accomplish those things. 

[00:46:13] Eldar: Right. Um, but 

[00:46:19] Toliy: that's what happens when you get your, um, like your goal or your attachment or your desire. When you put it out loud and you involve other people into it, they're gonna see. 

[00:46:31] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:46:31] Toliy: I could be, I could desire to be an NBA player all I want, but if I'm out of shape and short and not good enough, and I go into trainer and, and I go to a real NBA trainer, I tell them this.

[00:46:42] Or a real coach are gonna be like, oh, like, what are you talking about here? Mm-hmm. 

[00:46:50] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:46:51] Toliy: You don't have what it takes or like, okay, like we could put, put, put, put, put a, uh, a, um, um, a plan to do this, but you need to run 10 miles every morning. You need to do this, you need to eat like this. Mm-hmm. You need to wake up at this time.

[00:47:06] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:47:07] Toliy: Right. This, you 

[00:47:08] Eldar: need to have this workout program. That's the success stories or the real ones are Right. Are very scarce. Mm-hmm. It's very small. Not a lot of people actually willing to go the the length it takes to in order to actually succeed. But everyone 

[00:47:18] Toliy: is willing to have the desire to succeed.

[00:47:21] Correct. That's the thing. That's the easy part. And everybody, everyone has their imagination for it. Yes. Mm-hmm. Yes. Hi. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody wants, everybody can and wants the a, a the good life. Life. Everybody wants to jump 

[00:47:32] Eldar: out of the parachute. Yeah. I mean, jump out of the plane without a parachute. Be caught by like a guy and then become in Insta famous four, 

[00:47:38] Toliy: four seconds before they hit the ground.

[00:47:39] Yeah. 

[00:47:39] Eldar: And become, uh, Forbes 100, you know? Yeah. 

[00:47:43] Toliy: 30. Under 30. 

[00:47:45] Eldar: Hi, my name's Paul. Hey, are we solving this fucking problem or no? 

[00:47:50] Toliy: Jared, are we making any sense right now? Jared? Jared, help us here know what's going on, man. Yeah. I think he knows 

[00:47:56] Jared: parts of it are making sense. Okay. 

[00:47:59] Eldar: Are you, are you cooking? Are we onto something 

[00:48:01] Jared: Jared?

[00:48:01] Um, he's cooking. He's not like, um, like what Tole said, um, everybody, he, um, wants, wants, wants, but, but nobody's really willing to put the work for it. Yeah, well, yeah, yeah. Is a gist of what, uh, correct. Uh, of what you're saying, right? 

[00:48:23] Toliy: Well, yeah, like that. A lot of people want particular things, but they have no idea what it actually behind it takes or what's actually behind it.

[00:48:30] But everybody wants, wants, wants, 

[00:48:33] Eldar: right? Mm-hmm. 

[00:48:34] Toliy: Um, and then when like, like, um, like if you went to your coach and you said, coach, I want to be a black belt, right? Maybe he might outline a plan with saying, Hey Jared, well it's gonna take you 10 years of dedication. You're gonna have to come to the dojo. Uh, at least for two hours a day, you are gonna have to eat like this.

[00:48:54] You're gonna have to rest like this. You're gonna have to do this, right? Um. 

[00:48:59] Eldar: If I found that out, I'd be like, fuck off. I'm not doing this shit for once you, you, you might be like, Hey, coach. 

[00:49:03] Toliy: Like, I actually only thought that this is gonna take me two years. Yeah. And I'm gonna have to come in only once a week, for example, for an hour.

[00:49:09] Yeah. If that was your perception beforehand, that'd be crazy. Yeah. You would be like, coach, no, no, no. This is not for me. Right. I, I'm, I'm not about that. Let's go that life 

[00:49:17] Jared: if I thought was gonna be easy. Yeah. 

[00:49:19] Toliy: Yeah. But nobody goes into it saying, Hey, um, let me go find out what it takes to be a jiujitsu black belt.

[00:49:28] Mm-hmm. And see if that's something I want to consider doing 

[00:49:29] Eldar: and 

[00:49:30] Toliy: why. And why. Yeah. And let me see if I have strong enough reasons for it. Who, who goes about it that way? First you wanna be the black belt, then you think, then you figure out what it takes to be it. But you want to be the black belt first before you figure out what, what it takes to be it.

[00:49:45] Right. Uh, 

[00:49:46] Jared: a lot of people are like that. Yeah. Right. 

[00:49:48] Toliy: Yeah. Why? The question is, why, 

[00:49:49] Jared: the question is why,

[00:49:54] um, 

[00:49:54] Eldar: why are people like that, Jared? What's 

[00:49:57] Jared: wrong with us? I [00:50:00] feel like it's just the part of our brain that just wants or sees something that someone else has. Why? And I think it's just, it, it's just human nature, to be honest with you. I think it's just, Buddha said that part of human nature is 

[00:50:15] Eldar: suffering.

[00:50:15] Toliy: Well, yeah. And if we're suffering, that is true. If, if we're people who grow up in suffering, the only thing that can keep us moving forward is a grandiose idea that's probably out of reach. 

[00:50:26] Harris: If you ain't suffering, you ain't gonna lie. But, but the American dream, 

[00:50:31] Toliy: no. You know? Yeah. Like the American dream.

[00:50:33] That's what keeps, you know, someone who's, for example, poor, maybe may or someone in a different country is trying to get to America maybe. Yeah. To keep moving forward and keep grinding. Right. Why? Because they have this American dream of like this white picket fence and then like gold pave roads. Yeah, yeah.

[00:50:49] Roads paved with gold. Yeah. Right. Like, and that's what keeps them actually grinding and going forward and not like just croaking in. Giving up. Yeah. The, the idea like the, the world and people are built on the idea of potential, on what's possible and they're not, um, built on what's realistic and what's actual, like what's actually right now.

[00:51:11] Harris: And that's not enough for them to, uh, ride the American dream. People come over here, think it's gonna be a piece of cake. Everyone here is, you know, has got money and all this shit. Mm-hmm. Like, like if I told you Harris, 

[00:51:22] Toliy: like, hey, um, working here, like if, if I was a fortune teller, right? And, and I had told you that like, Hey, working here, you're never gonna be able to accomplish anything that's in your mind right now.

[00:51:35] If I was a fortune teller and that was a guarantee, what would 

[00:51:40] Harris: you do? Basically tell her to fuck off and, uh, get outta my face. No, 

[00:51:44] Toliy: you would leave. No, no. You would leave. No, no, no, no. He, he was saying to fuck off. 

[00:51:49] Eldar: I tell her 

[00:51:49] Toliy: to fuck off. No, but I'm telling, oh, you wouldn't believe it if I was an actual fortune teller.

[00:51:52] He's an actual fortune, which works. 

[00:51:54] Eldar: His fortune is a hundred percent true every time. Yeah. You'd leave? Yeah. Would you try and pull the credo to change your F Why would 

[00:52:01] Toliy: you leave Paris? No. Tell me. Why would you leave? Where, like, why would somebody leave? Huh? It, he saw the 

[00:52:05] Harris: matrix, man. If it was true. 

[00:52:08] Toliy: Yeah.

[00:52:08] If it was true that like, hey, could be, if you're telling 

[00:52:10] Harris: me I'm not gonna go anywhere at all in this company. 

[00:52:13] Toliy: Yeah. Would you waste your time? You wouldn't, right? You wouldn't unless you saw the matrix. But, but there's a chance that that could happen, right? 

[00:52:23] Harris: Yeah. Like tells me right now, Hey, you're not gonna go anywhere in this company then.

[00:52:28] Guess what 

[00:52:29] Eldar: I'm gonna tell you right now, Harris, I'm gonna tell you one thing. Um, this, this, everything is in your hands. Mm-hmm. Where are you gonna go? But based on where I'm standing in your hands, you probably would have to admit to yourself and be okay with being the laughingstock for next couple years.

[00:52:46] Mm-hmm. Are you okay with that? I'm here, aren't I? You are. But usually I'm good about 

[00:52:52] Harris: it. Usually I am good about it. Recently been on your period. Yeah. I know you've been 

[00:52:56] Eldar: trying to snap Jared, you had your hand raised. What you got, 

[00:53:00] Jared: um, bat to him being told about him being told by a fortune teller. Yes. You wouldn't try and pull a c credos and change your own fate, be being told that you're, that you're not gonna be shit you wouldn't think 

[00:53:18] Harris: if the fortune teller screw that hundred percent true.

[00:53:21] This is what they're asking. The fortune teller is a hundred percent true. Yeah. And they can see the future 

[00:53:26] Jared: and they say to you, so could the Sisters of Fate. Huh? I'm making a God of war reference. Yeah. This not real. He changed his fate 

[00:53:36] Harris: because if they're able to see what's gonna happen in the future.

[00:53:39] Well, no, Jared, 

[00:53:39] Toliy: I'm, I'm giving him an example of something like, we come outta this is, I'm trying to teach you 

[00:53:44] Jared: No, it, it's not about re real, real or not. It's like the mindset, you're just gonna quit. You're like, oh, well, but well, okay. You inviting him to be in the delusion. 

[00:53:55] Harris: Yeah. This is what it is. Delusion because Right.

[00:53:58] Uh, you can't change like your fate. Right. What's the future's gonna hold for you? Mm-hmm. Correct. You trying to prove it though. You asking me 

[00:54:05] Eldar: now or 

[00:54:05] Harris: now? Can't change based on, based on 

[00:54:08] Eldar: his example. You cannot, because he's gonna attempt to improve it though. No, no, no, no, no. We cannot. In 

[00:54:12] Toliy: my example, you can't.

[00:54:13] Oh, shit. All right. Nevermind. The only way you can is you leave. You're supposed to die in 10 years. Done what? No. No. Jared. Jared. The reality is 

[00:54:21] Jared: death is in the fricking. No, no. Jared. Jared. In reality, 

[00:54:24] Toliy: you can do that kind of stuff. Right. Now he's making a hypothetical. We can all do that. Okay. Without making a hypothetical.

[00:54:29] In a world where you can't, and this is for sure your future. 

[00:54:33] Jared: Yeah. Oh, okay. You want 

[00:54:34] Toliy: an apartment, for example, right? Yeah. If I told you, hey, that a, that the ceiling in that apartment that you're gonna get, the one that you're looking at right now is gonna cave in and a 30, 30 foot end account is gonna fall out of it and eat, um, feed you a night.

[00:54:48] Eldar: But I was Sasha eating you from your dick. Yeah. First yo. 

[00:54:52] Toliy: And 

[00:54:54] Jared: I have the biggest smile again. Right. You always gotta go there. You sick. Fuck first Mike and now elder. Yes. 

[00:54:59] Toliy: Yeah. Right. So like, if, if I told you for a fact that was gonna happen, like for sure. Right. You're probably going to avoid that apartment.

[00:55:09] Like if you knew for sure. Right? So that, that's what I was telling him. Mm-hmm. Like, um, if you knew that like working here and being here, you're never going to like. Like any of your current dreams or like, for example, things that you want are not going to get accomplished, you would probably leave. Right.

[00:55:26] But what is the point of 

[00:55:27] Eldar: saying that? Right. That is obvious. My, 

[00:55:28] Toliy: my, my, my point is saying that, is that it's to, it's to depict the idea that, um, like one path or another, for example, is not guaranteed. Mm-hmm. For sure. That's true. Right? But you need that potential and that grandiose picture to keep doing what you're doing Now if you don't have proper life math to do the math for yourself.

[00:55:50] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:55:51] Toliy: To know that if I take these steps, if I do this and this and this, right. Yeah. It's probably going to equate to this. Yeah. 

[00:56:01] Harris: What's this point, man? What's this problem? 

[00:56:04] Eldar: Nate used to do the same fucking move. Oh yeah. Nate. 

[00:56:07] Toliy: Yeah, Nate. The tilt and the cross. Who's Nate's The, uh, the tilt and, and, and then he would speak with, speak to me.

[00:56:13] By, by moving his head, he'd be like, I. 

[00:56:15] Harris: You wanna, you wanna go, man? Yeah. No, 

[00:56:18] Toliy: no. But he doesn't say a 

[00:56:18] Harris: word. He would just be like, 

[00:56:19] Mike: mm-hmm. 

[00:56:20] Harris: What? I do it opposite way. 

[00:56:23] Mike: Yeah. He does the hand. Yes. Yeah. Flare. 

[00:56:26] Harris: Yeah. 

[00:56:27] Jared: Shit. Everything's Nate. This, it's Nate. That that, bro. I can't help him, man. If Nate's listening to this, fuck you 

[00:56:34] Harris: like that, Sharon?

[00:56:35] That's funny. Yeah, I like that. I got news for you. Jared. Nate's dead. Ashley? Yeah, I think so. I took care of him a while back. No, we don't know. I was about to say, we don't stay touch long. Take care of him a while back, man. He's in the Hudson over there. Yes. With the fishes. 

[00:56:48] Jared: He's re he's re reincarnated in Harris.

[00:56:50] Well, you just left your digital footprint, Harris. Good luck with living. 

[00:56:54] Harris: Yeah. So they're gonna find Nate in Atlanta. Man, 

[00:56:57] Toliy: my, my, my niece point in saying, what I'm saying is that like, um, I'm, I'm not saying it in like a way that like this is like some kind of hack or, or like anything like that or like trying to do some kind of hack.

[00:57:09] There's a warning. I think it's, no, no. I think it's a challenge. 

[00:57:12] Eldar: It's a challenge, 

[00:57:13] Toliy: right? It, it was a challenge. A challenge that like, it can you actually like, listen, can you actually ask questions? Can you actually get so curious about something that you, you break your own pattern of whatever suffering that you had with that thing.

[00:57:30] Eldar: Mm. 

[00:57:30] Toliy: Right. To. To change your fate, like, like Jared said, right. Change your f by changing your mindset 

[00:57:35] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:57:36] Toliy: Um, and doing something different. 

[00:57:39] Eldar: Hmm. 

[00:57:39] Toliy: Do you, do you have that in you, you have that in you? Or, or, or do you need to learn through sheer, um, long, long age pain and suffering like a primitive caveman.

[00:57:53] Training and be put on that path. Mike, what You Same question again. Yeah. He always, what is wrong with this 

[00:57:58] Harris: guy? Man, he's, 

[00:57:59] Eldar: but keep coming back to the same thing. Yeah. You, it's, it's another way of saying everything that we've always talked about. Yeah. Well, I'm gonna be honest with you, but you never solve 

[00:58:07] Harris: it.

[00:58:08] Eldar: I, we always solve it. 

[00:58:09] Toliy: Well, 

[00:58:09] Eldar: what, what, you're sayingm wrong asking the same question. I'm not saying you're wrong. 

[00:58:13] Toliy: What, what are you saying? 

[00:58:13] Eldar: I'm saying that you're saying the same thing that we always talked about, right? It's about, uh, allowing Right. My, my approach, quote unquote elder approach where you are allowing an individual like Harris, for example 

[00:58:24] Yeah.

[00:58:24] To go to the next 10 years and, and, and, and, you know, tumble a hundred percent through this process. Yeah. And you're saying like, Hey, like. But if, if they like, I see the holes. Mm-hmm. Can you not see the holes, Harris? Well, no, not, I've been there. 

[00:58:39] Toliy: I'm not directing this towards Harris. 

[00:58:41] Eldar: It doesn't, I'm just making an example.

[00:58:42] Yeah. Well it always goes back to No, no, no. It's just, it's just a good example right now. Yeah. A live example. Yeah. That at the end of the day. Right. It's, 

[00:58:48] Toliy: yeah. But I'm saying that through, through your approach. Like, you welcome, um, 

[00:58:52] Eldar: I welcome the fact that I, I'm allowing reality to take place Yeah. In accordance to how you are set up for nature.

[00:58:58] 'cause you're na you, you, that's naturally how you set up. 

[00:59:01] Toliy: Yeah. But you will, you, you will, um, like you, you will meet the person that needs to be tum tumbled Right. Where they're at with, with, with tumbling. Yeah. And you will also, um, this is 

[00:59:12] Eldar: what Mike was talking about. Yeah. 

[00:59:13] Toliy: And you will also meet the super curious person that's asking you a ton of questions.

[00:59:17] 100%. That's ready to. Figure something else out. Yes. You, you're, you're fine with both people and you're accepting of, of both types of people. I am. And you will beat both people where they're at. 

[00:59:28] Eldar: Correct. And that's what that, the thing that Mike was talking about, you just don't know what level that person is in.

[00:59:33] He could have been in level 10 and got there with those, or he could have been in level thousand. You really don't know what he went through. None. 

[00:59:39] Toliy: But nonetheless, I think through our lifetime we should consider, we, we, I mean, I mean, um, we, we, we should continue to challenge people in all levels to keep throwing that out there to see where you're at.

[00:59:52] Eldar: Yeah. But I think that you've gotten to this point after being tumbled through all the, all these years the way you've been tumbled in order to then pose these types of questions now. Yeah. But the question is also. He's not posing that question. Like he's not even curious about this question. Yeah. He's got other fucking fish to fry.

[01:00:08] Yeah. We know his fish. Yeah. This question, this question is so advanced, right? On that level where it's like you want him to adapt this question and say, no, no, I don't want him to. It's like, it's like a, it's like a, 

[01:00:19] Mike: that, that's, that's, that's a hundred percent. That's why I think I'm always, we, uh, when I told him, I said, yeah, you, you, that's a challenge.

[01:00:25] Give an example of a person who's already has, I'm not gonna say in enlight, but already has a good, uh, understanding of philosophy and wants to live like this philosophical life of asking questions and means examined life. Examine life. That's right. This is a person who's already is advanced and even that person.

[01:00:44] Still chooses the suffering path. 

[01:00:46] Toliy: Yes. Yes. No. 1, 1, 

[01:00:48] Eldar: 1. What does that show? And imagine the person who hasn't examined the life, right? No. Who hasn't examined or tied any suffering between every relationship that he has with everything that he thinks about. 

[01:00:57] Toliy: No, but I think I, I, I still think that throughout your life, no matter where you're at, if you're, you know, less advanced, more advanced, right.

[01:01:06] I think the, um, to give the less advanced person this type of opportunity and to see what happens and, and see if anyone ever, it's not an 

[01:01:13] Mike: opportunity. That person. No. How does that person take that? Well, she doesn't have a capacity for it. Yeah. 

[01:01:19] Toliy: Well, like overall, I don't get it how OO overall. No, but I think that they, that like different people can surprise you at different times.

[01:01:27] That's because 

[01:01:27] Mike: you're assuming that, you know the level that the person's in. 

[01:01:30] Toliy: No, no. I'm just saying that like, you could be, you don't understand 

[01:01:32] Mike: how much suffering. You cannot measure the amount of suffering that person has suffered, but not specific subject until they reach the point that they're curious why, therefore, therefore, 

[01:01:40] Eldar: they, so he's surprised.

[01:01:43] Toliy: No, no, but then the other person doesn't know either, what, what are we talking about then? What do you mean surprised? She's 

[01:01:48] Eldar: like, oh, sometimes they can surprise you. And I'm actually saying that because of the fact that he doesn't know also the level that they're on. Yes, yes. Right. That's why you can't, that they were supposed to.

[01:01:57] So you, you could also be surprised because of that. Because you actually don't know. We don't know the level that they're on. So you can be pleasantly surprised. But the truth of the matter is maybe that person was tumbling already. 

[01:02:06] Mike: Yeah. And 

[01:02:06] Eldar: that's a same subject. But then all, all we're talking. And I think 

[01:02:08] Mike: Harris has those abilities where a lot of times he surprises, but all we're talking tumbles on certain stuff longer than others.

[01:02:13] Percent. All we're 

[01:02:14] Toliy: talking about here is challenging people. Right. Which we do all the time. Yeah. And sometimes you challenge somebody and they fall flat on their face. Yeah. Right. But like, it's not that you're saying that like every time, like, okay, I'm gonna challenge 'em now and they're gonna for sure get this.

[01:02:28] Right. Right. Well, no, but you could challenge people multiple times too. We have the 

[01:02:31] Eldar: ability, right? We have the ability and you know, we have the ability to challenge individuals, especially like Harris, right? To meet a level of threshold. And then there's that threshold and that's it. And we can't just break through it.

[01:02:43] And you know that threshold. No, 

[01:02:45] Toliy: I know that. I know that. But I'm saying is that that's an 

[01:02:47] Mike: individual thing he has to pass through. It's the, to me, my favorite word, the D word, Uhhuh. And it's not Dick Harris. Don't get excited. Oh 

[01:02:55] Eldar: by the fuck 

[01:02:55] Mike: I was about to yell the word. Its the deserving and the earning camp.

[01:02:59] Yes. You have to earn. Correct The right. To not suffer any longer on that. Yes. Yeah. But like totally 

[01:03:04] Eldar: today, right? He's maybe raising awareness or challenging Harris about like, Hey, I smell something fishy. He's trying to push the whatever. Yeah. Harris is taking that seriously. Mm-hmm. He's not even seeing that like totally.

[01:03:14] Might be onto something or he just fucking around whatever, whatever. Right? 

[01:03:17] Harris: No, totally does it in a way you can't tell. Well, he always got the same voice. No, no, 

[01:03:22] Toliy: no. You can't tell. You can't tell. No. He's always got the same voice. Mike, for example, Mike and Elder could tell 

[01:03:27] Eldar: that's the thing. You are, why, why he pushing you to that limit where like that's your threshold and your next thing is right.

[01:03:33] You're getting angry, you're getting tied over something. Right. It's an illusion that you've created in your mind. 

[01:03:38] Toliy: Yeah. And And you come, can't even tell so much that you don't even know. Yeah. That Eldar and Mike are in on the same joke that I'm so serious about that. You think, why can't I. 

[01:03:46] Eldar: They're in on it.

[01:03:47] See, that's the question. Be the, the re what we're saying is that that's your threshold. That's why you cannot see past that stuff because you're stuck thinking about all this other perceptions that you've created and you working outta that perception. Okay. Like you said, uh, at the time when Tony was bringing up the example like, yo, you cut off to not traveling for 2027.

[01:04:05] That's a clear joke and totally is like, winking at me. Like he'll run with this shit. You know what I mean? I'm like, okay, cool. I'll run with it. Yeah. And if for your, and if you pay attention, 

[01:04:11] Toliy: we're using very specific wording Yeah. To make it funny. To make it funny. Yeah. As of right now. And others said he even gave, give you like little hints of this beacon joke.

[01:04:18] Yes. That, that could change in one minute. Yes. You know, like, but we're fucking around with the word. And we're fucking around and we're having fun. We're having fun. It's the more 

[01:04:26] Eldar: you knew, I wouldn't understand that. No, no. I was trying to explain to you. Yeah. He was seeing how far we can take this. The, the, the more serious Don't get it.

[01:04:33] The more about it. The funnier. The funnier. You got the becomes. So we push even more. Yes. In order to break you to get what out. Right. Ultimately the dirt. And the dirt is what? Anger, frustration. Snapping. Snapping, you know what I mean? In order to get where, so you can lose again in that, in that argument.

[01:04:49] Right. And then pick up somewhere else where you become more humble. Like, oh, I get what's happening here. This is all fucking farce. 

[01:04:58] Harris: So you were setting me up. 

[01:05:00] Eldar: No, you setting yourself up. Yeah. We're just fucking around. 

[01:05:02] Harris: Yeah. 

[01:05:03] Eldar: Most of the time's what's happening, you set up your own trap, you put 

[01:05:06] Toliy: the cheese in it, you go around the corner and then you 

[01:05:08] Eldar: go out looking for it and Yeah.

[01:05:09] You forget that you actually put it there. Yeah. And you catch yourself while we're all laughing, fun and having fun. That's the whole thing. That's why I said that You are the laughing stock. Yeah. Are you okay with this? The thing is, based on who you are and how your development is, it's pointing to the fact that you have no other choice.

[01:05:29] Sorry, did you get that? 

[01:05:34] Harris: No, I said the weed's kicking in. Did you get that? The weed's kicking in. 

[01:05:38] Jared: Oh. Did you laugh on something else? Nah. That's just funny. 

[01:05:42] Harris: We in, man. I'm 

[01:05:43] Jared: listening you guys. Yeah, 

[01:05:44] Toliy: yeah. Navigating a while ago. One thing, thing, I did wanna mention it, not, and, and I'm wondering if you would, um, if, if you like, agree and support the cell there, um, we're talking about here that like the process is the process, right?

[01:05:57] That people can't skip it. You can't just like teach calculus to a, to a suited mm-hmm. Learn learning like a, like addition, right? 

[01:06:03] Eldar: Mm-hmm. No, but what, what you can do is you can find these thresholds. Well, yes, you get to these thresholds and you push as much as you can. Yes. No, but I'm saying 

[01:06:10] Toliy: is that like without him killing your ass?

[01:06:12] No, but I'm saying is this, is that like. You could have people of all different like levels. Right? And then I think that there are certain times, and I think that Harris prove proves this many times. And Harris, I know you're dumb, so I'm gonna tell you right now ahead of time that I'm giving you credit.

[01:06:30] This is something that you are doing. That's good. Right? So pay attention on, I already know, man, that you can use it against them later. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm saying is that [01:06:40] there's sometimes, right, that we talk about things that are so-called advanced. 

[01:06:44] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:06:44] Toliy: And Harris gets it 

[01:06:46] Eldar: and, and she says profound shit.

[01:06:47] Yeah. 

[01:06:47] Toliy: And he surprises us, right? Mm-hmm. For example, yes. The a a dummy mm-hmm. Understands this and talks about it. So that's also what I'm saying is that like you could challenge people that aren't ready. Mm-hmm. And sometimes you throw that challenge out and they're like, oh shit. No, no. 

[01:07:03] Eldar: But I have a different theory.

[01:07:04] I have a different theory. Like, yeah, no, I have a different theory on that. The difference between a philosophy bubble like this one at the time when, if Harris has a ability to pay attention and tune in. When he comes out with a profound shit is because his soul is in tune with it in that moment. Mm-hmm.

[01:07:19] Well, yes, and it's the truth. And the truth of the matter is he's a human fucking being. Yes. Who has all the answers. He's the God within a gu. Within a God. However, yeah. It is layered with the personality of a being a Harris No, I know. From the south. With the tattoo with, you know, with the past of his fucking family and all this other crap.

[01:07:36] Yeah. Yes. That is all layered nonsense. No, 100% in this moment. This is why he feels good when he does. Right? Yeah. He talks about this stuff because he actually is leveling up and he's removing all the, all those layers of shit. 

[01:07:47] Toliy: Yeah. But that slowly, that's what I'm saying is that you can still challenge a person at particular times that are above their means and they'll tune in, and when they tune in in, they sometimes get it where they're almost like, 

[01:07:59] Eldar: no, no, no.

[01:07:59] The the good question is we have that ability. Sure. Uh, we, we are a very specific bunch that has the ability to push the individual Yeah. To that brink. 

[01:08:09] Yeah. Sure. 

[01:08:09] Where you meet that threshold and you're like, okay, for that moment we steal. Yes. Right. Almost the moment of them leveling up and actually expressing the true selves, and we're like, yeah, we're on the same page.

[01:08:19] Yes. The 

[01:08:19] Toliy: analogy here is that Harris is a baby that sucks on his thumb all day. Mm-hmm. And I'm saying this literally and figuratively. Mm-hmm. And they always said, you gotta play classical music for the babies. Oh, fuck you man. Right. 

[01:08:31] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:08:32] Toliy: Because it's gonna make them smarter. 

[01:08:33] Eldar: That's right. 

[01:08:33] Toliy: Right. Sometimes he hears this classical music and sometimes he doesn't that he that and sometimes he doesn't.

[01:08:38] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:08:38] Toliy: But the continuous talk about this continued this. I agree. It peaks curiosity. I agree. It gets you thinking, and I bet you that you, um, could take the dumbest person and you keep them in that kind of environment and they will get nurtured at a much faster pace than what they were destined to be because they're, they're, um, they're, they're, they're being manipulated basically.

[01:09:02] Eldar: You understand that he's saying that he loves you. Mm. 

[01:09:04] Toliy: Yes. 

[01:09:05] Eldar: He's gonna love you into reality, into realization. Yes. And interation. Yes. And that's 

[01:09:09] Toliy: where you can, you can If I stick through. If you stick through it. Yes. That's right. If you stick through. Yeah. If you don't 

[01:09:15] Eldar: throw those fits. 

[01:09:15] Toliy: Yes. That's where you can, what, what, what other people who don't understand is call hacking.

[01:09:21] Eldar: Okay. 

[01:09:22] Toliy: That's, that is what real hacking is. Yeah. Stick 

[01:09:26] Jared: and move, man. Stick and move. 

[01:09:29] Harris: Mm-hmm. Jared, you're next. Oh, Jared's not even started yet. I'm not. Of course he 

[01:09:34] Toliy: started. He's 

[01:09:35] Harris: here, 

[01:09:35] Toliy: isn't he? 

[01:09:36] Harris: He's here. Yeah, he's here. But Jared, I 

[01:09:37] Toliy: was 

[01:09:38] Eldar: surprised that he came. 

[01:09:38] Toliy: He came twice. I have dirty water soup. Yeah, you don't have to be.

[01:09:43] That's until you, uh, I didn't think Jared was gonna come back to Dirty Water Soup when you 

[01:09:47] Harris: actually get inducted into Aism. Oh wow. It's gonna be a wild ride, man. Yeah. Wild ride. 

[01:09:56] Mike: Tell, tell him what's the Indu induction process. 

[01:09:59] Harris: Uh, well, on one note, you know, you're gonna have to start taking farts to the face.

[01:10:04] Man. Enough is enough. Enough is enough, man. And then what's the master level? We all taking the 

[01:10:10] Mike: farts to the face. What's the master level induction? It's not, he's not ready to hear yet. Well, that's not master level 

[01:10:19] Jared: shoving a ball in my face and doing 

[01:10:21] Harris: anything. You know, I can't take it in if he's not, you know, he's got a lot of problems, demons.

[01:10:27] Mike: If you, if you, uh, if you hit the bottom, you know, like rock bottom. 

[01:10:32] Harris: Yeah. If you hit rock bottom and we, there's, we don't feel there's any other ways to help you. Uh, you gotta take a shit from the prophet man. Shit. From the lost cause, man. The only hope for you is, uh. You gotta take a shit from the prophet man.

[01:10:51] What's in your vape? Eldar? We eldar and me talked about this and there's no for you, bro. What is in your vape? Only way. The only way you, we talked about this? Yes. If you're a lost cause, Doug, I'm concerned only for your wellbeing right now. Yes. The only way to humble you, me, Eldar talked about this. Eldar actually suggested it.

[01:11:10] Yes. That you need to take your shit in your mouth. Yeah. 

[01:11:14] Jared, uh, 

[01:11:15] what the fuck? Oh my god. What do you think this was headed? Man, Eldar actually came up with this then. Yes. If you, if you're not, you need to be humbled man. You gotta take your shit. 

[01:11:25] Toliy: It'll be cold to Dave's hot shit. Yeah. 

[01:11:30] Jared: Cold 

[01:11:30] Harris: called 

[01:11:30] Jared: el 

[01:11:31] Harris: hot shit.

[01:11:31] No, but yeah, El actually came up with this, that the only way to humble your ass is to take shit to your mouth. Then you can't talk no more. Man Harris. Harris was 

[01:11:38] Eldar: actually the first one who did it. Yeah. Actually I didn't. That's a lie. You didn't level up to that. He wasn't that bad. It wasn't that bad. I haven't 

[01:11:45] Harris: been deemed unworthy yet.

[01:11:46] Are you looking forward to taking one? I'm notworthy. I like that. All I know is what that's christening for. Elders. He was like, well, actually I haven't been deemed unworthy yet. 

[01:11:57] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:11:57] Harris: So I told Jared, I said, you know, there's a 

[01:12:01] Eldar: fast track to this. That 

[01:12:02] Harris: kind of stuff. No, wait until you're initiated into Lism.

[01:12:04] You haven't seen nothing yet. Yes. I told him, he said the first step is you gotta start taking l a's parts to the face. Yes. Like all of us have, all of us, bro, in this room have taken, uh, L a's, uh, Jared. 

[01:12:16] Eldar: There's initiations in in Dojo though. Mm. Not, I'm not saying no, but they 

[01:12:22] Harris: have their own right? We have our own here.

[01:12:24] Let's, like, 

[01:12:24] we've all taken 'em. Tommy, me? Yes. Yeah. A crazy bro. Mike, we've taken El farts. Yes. Oh my God. And sometimes they're really, really fucking rot. 

[01:12:37] Jared: Fucking gosh. Oh my God. We on the trip? We thought el, I took one to my face. Are we talking Taco Bell rotten? Well, I don't know what El are. 

[01:12:48] Harris: What Castle When was driving to the airport?

[01:12:51] Yes. Gr fluid. That was one of the worst fucking farts I've ever taken. I think that was the eggs. Like, hello? It was a rotten like 

[01:12:57] Jared: eggs, 

[01:12:57] Harris: right? Probably eggs. It was a rock. Went into you. Uh, my favorite until you take a Indian, uh, fart to the from Mel dog. Man, that's a rotten shit.

[01:13:10] Eldar: Hey. But it does the trick. No. Yeah. It humbles you a 

[01:13:12] Harris: little bit. Right? I remember I totally walked into the bathroom. Me? I can't even think of that. There was a Indian smell in that bathroom, but, uh, yeah. No, but seriously, you haven't experienced anything yet. No. When you fully go into 

[01:13:29] Aism, 

[01:13:30] yes, we'll cleanse 

[01:13:31] you from your sins.

[01:13:32] Your mind will start hurting. Don't 

[01:13:33] Jared: worry. Your mind will. My mind will start hurting, bro. It sounds like my mouth will start hurting if I'm taking shits. That's too Well, no, that's only deemed if you're, if you're really bad, you really bad. Yeah. You don't look like you so bad. Really 

[01:13:45] Harris: quick. You need to be humbled really quick.

[01:13:46] Oh, 

[01:13:46] Jared: Harris would know what that is because he's suffered numerous times. So, so sometimes on purpose, oh shit, you addictive. Well, no. 

[01:13:53] Harris: Here, uh, their goal I guess sometimes is to break you down and build you back up. Like an army. Yeah. Except it's a psychological Well, no, I, I 

[01:14:03] Eldar: don't think, I, I don't think we have a goal here, Harris.

[01:14:05] I don't think, um, no, 

[01:14:07] Harris: but 

[01:14:07] Eldar: aside like, like Army, right? Or you know, the Dojo, right. Maybe they might have a goal. Right. And they have this thing like where it's like break you, make you whatever. 

[01:14:15] Jared: Yeah. 

[01:14:16] Eldar: That might be the process that actually people have to go through mm-hmm. In order to become someone because of, to 

[01:14:21] Jared: reinvent themselves 

[01:14:21] Eldar: and be better.

[01:14:22] Correct. Yes. To level up. Right. We are here trying to figure out how the, how the whole process works and if we can help in that process, great. If it means that we have to challenge you and put the mirror in front of your face Right. Many times. Then be it, right? If it's breaking your ego down and your arrogance down, then be it.

[01:14:40] That's the, if that's the answer, then we'll do it. 

[01:14:42] Harris: St. Jared. Uh, I'm about to pass my year mark, 

[01:14:46] Eldar: where I 

[01:14:46] Harris: passed there. 

[01:14:47] Eldar: Uh, you passed 

[01:14:48] Harris: here 

[01:14:48] Eldar: June 15th? Yeah. 

[01:14:49] Harris: Yeah. 

[01:14:50] Oh, wait for, yeah. One year, mark. Man, two mark. I passed my one year mark. Mm-hmm. And this? Not yet. Not yet. That's tomorrow. Wow. Wait. Yeah. Hold on a second.

[01:14:58] No. 

[01:14:59] Mike: On June 15th. No, this is June 15th is Father's Day. Oh yeah, it's the 13th. Thank 

[01:15:05] Harris: you so much, man. I, I celebrate my, uh, anniversary Yes. On Father's Day of Being Home. Yes. Uh, that's Father's Day, so I gotta tell my dad not to make it all about him. Man. You're a dad Harris. Uh, no. I'm not a dad. I celebrate my year anniversary of being at Water Bend.

[01:15:24] Yeah. Um, but if I break that, that mark, I. 

[01:15:31] Will I be here longer than everyone else? Yeah. If that's important to you. Yeah, of course you would. But you, you called it though. I'm 

[01:15:40] Eldar: just saying. What I'm saying is that, uh, yeah, I think a lot of people that came through this door had a hard time facing the music.

[01:15:47] Mm-hmm. Right. And I think you're shown that you also have a hard time Sometimes I have a hard time, but I fight through it, the music. But you're having a hard time interpreting the music the right way. Yeah. But I fight through it. But if you fight through it, yeah. And if you stick through it, I think totally like you said, um, because of the fact that you here for a long period of time, hopefully the shit will rub off.

[01:16:05] Harris: I have a lot of, uh, advisors outside of this too. Jared being meshed in with this group. That's right. Uncle Joe. Yes. Uh, Warren. He gave me a talk. He gave me, you know, uh, a military talk. No, he gave me advice. Yeah. Just the other day. ELD a's friend, uh, Warren. Warren also gives me life advice. Advice, 

[01:16:25] Eldar: yeah.

[01:16:25] Harris: Advice. But being here, you meet a lot of good people that, uh, are good guys, man and gals. Yes. 

[01:16:32] Who and gals like Pan WANs. Pan WANs. Yes. You know, but yeah. It's like you, you, but you believe that. You 

[01:16:39] Eldar: actually know it. What? That I'm with good guys. Well, yeah. Like, 'cause like, you may be esteem Joe, right? Um, maybe you steam Warren.

[01:16:47] Right. But it's their words. Yeah, it's their words. But is it actually true? Like, well, they help me. They help me. Why? But why? Right. 'cause they make me think. Yeah. That means if they make you think, right? Like. That means in that moment you weren't thinking about that or you didn't believe that, that you needed those words in order to get a reassurance?

[01:17:06] Harris: Well, yeah. That's what you call advisors, right? Yeah. Is they help guide you through certain things. Okay. Right. People need those people sometimes. Yeah, they do. So, you know, the conversation I had with Joe the other day. Mm-hmm. You know, he helped me, you know, come to terms with things, things I need to work on.

[01:17:24] Okay. Uh, and it helped. Oh, did, yeah. 

[01:17:27] Eldar: Okay. 

[01:17:28] Harris: Uh, Warren, I was, I was in a hard place with about a certain topic. Mm-hmm. Warren helped me out with that topic. Okay. 

[01:17:36] You know? 

[01:17:36] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:17:37] Harris: Until working on that. But 

[01:17:40] Eldar: I'm getting better. Good.

[01:17:46] You are one lucky son of a bitch, are you? I 

[01:17:47] Harris: am. I got like, uh, 10 different advisors in my life. 

[01:17:51] Eldar: Yeah. From not having any, right. Yeah. Being in a shelter and really struggling. Great group 

[01:17:56] Harris: of people that have welcomed me with open arms. Wow, you were in a, why do you say it like that? Why do you have to shake when 

[01:18:01] Eldar: you say that?

[01:18:03] Harris: Look where I've become, bitch. Look where I am now, bro. Look at me now. I mean, look at like, Jared. Look at, to me, if I would've stayed in Nebraska, I'd be like, John, 

[01:18:15] Toliy: look 

[01:18:15] Harris: me. 

[01:18:16] Toliy: You would, you would look at me. You would've been a, I'm milking now milking bulls for a minimum wage. 

[01:18:21] Eldar: Hmm. 

[01:18:24] Toliy: That's crazy. So maybe that 

[01:18:25] Eldar: ist, but maybe, maybe, maybe this.

[01:18:29] We don't 

[01:18:31] Harris: dar they don't milk it that way, bro. 

[01:18:34] Jared: I 

[01:18:34] Harris: know you want, you're thinking about it. You wanted to try 

[01:18:36] Jared: it out. No one said it. That's not, no one said it until you did, bro. No, I thinking to cows. That's 

[01:18:42] Harris: crazy. That's what you were thinking of, but now you machine Yeah, for minimum 

[01:18:46] Jared: wage is crazy. Yeah.

[01:18:48] That's not what you're thinking of man. You better been my man. You're the one who brought up. You're the one time's thinking about it 

[01:18:54] Harris: like that, bro. No, because these guys have, get your head out the gutter. These guys had the assumption one time. Get your head out that gut as saddle. Now I'm vacuum type machine.

[01:19:03] So all there What are you saying, man? 

[01:19:04] Eldar: I'm saying is that, look, uh, maybe this is the, this how it looks where, when it comes to, uh, your expedited or more aware process maybe. Maybe this is it. And I think it is for Harris. Yeah. 

[01:19:18] Toliy: I 

[01:19:19] Eldar: Haven had that. Right. If you, if you were to zoom out and say, okay, like what would've happened if he did stay over there or he never leveled up and, you know, stood up for himself.

[01:19:27] Right. But he took the, took the chance to say, you know what, I wanna bet on myself. I wanna go out there and spread my wings and live for myself and stuff like that, and move out. 

[01:19:34] Harris: Deger know the background. Between this whole group? Not particularly. What's the background? Not do I, so Jar. 

[01:19:43] Jared: I met Eldar a while.

[01:19:45] Yeah, I know the back. Yeah, I know the lo about you guys. I don't know the lore. 

[01:19:48] Harris: Okay. Well I met Eldar. Is it okay if I talk about it on this or what? Yeah. All right. Well, I, uh, met Eldar Yeah. A while back during a dumpster. 12 years old. No, my mom started going to meetings for, would you say troubled youth?

[01:20:02] Youth? Uh, yeah. Troubled youth. Youth. It was like a support group. So it's a support family support group. Troubled youth guard. Ran the youth partnership. Mm-hmm. There, and my mom started bringing me and my brother there. Mm-hmm. I started going when I was 11, 12. 

[01:20:17] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:20:17] Harris: And I started coming down every Wednesday.

[01:20:19] I wasn't old enough until I reached 13 to start going. And, uh, that's how I met Eldar. He tried to help us through issues we were having back then. Mm-hmm. We talked about it. Uh, I ended up moving away, ended up going into the shelter. And I remembered in the shelter, who was, you weren't taking a deep, uh, stop.

[01:20:40] A please. I ended up, uh, uh, remembering who was there for me

[01:20:48] when I was in the shelter. I was in a dark place and I remembered that who's the one person that might be able to help me out of this situation or help me get through this. Yeah. Was Eldar, Eldar was only one of the only people I told besides my family of where I was. 'cause I tried to hide it. I hid it from my friends, I hid it from everyone.

[01:21:12] Yeah. You know, tried to hide it. So I called LD a r, I was like, Hey, this is where I'm at. This is what I'm doing. And LD a r helped me, uh, set up things so I get money. I'm not gonna state what it is, but he helped me set up things where I'm paid a monthly thing. No, 

[01:21:28] I'm kidding. 

[01:21:29] Aldo's not into that shit. Uh, but yeah, I started getting money.

[01:21:33] He helped me get out of the shelter and all this other stuff. I got my own apartment with those funds. I ended up moving to Nebraska down again. I'm in, you know, I'm back in the gutter type way. I call up Eldar while I'm down there. I'm like, Hey, I'm gonna be moving back to Jersey. Eldar said, link up. Maybe we can work something out.

[01:21:53] And eventually I, as Eldar would say, I found my my way home. 

[01:21:59] Mike: Wow. Yeah. That's a heartfelt story, man. Why sounds so good. And that's 

[01:22:02] Harris: why he's 

[01:22:02] Jared: here. Did you come here on a plane? Plane On the bus? Did Did come back on a bus. Came back here. No, I came back 

[01:22:10] Harris: on a plane. 

[01:22:10] Jared: On a 

[01:22:10] Harris: plane 

[01:22:11] on horse. Ended up moving horse. My dad 

[01:22:12] Jared: worked for the post office for a little bit.

[01:22:14] I mean, the bus is possible. Just got hit the right stations. 

[01:22:16] Harris: I was miserable. I called up, I said, Hey, this is where I'm at. You know, I wanna. You know, go somewhere in my life. He brought me in, he asked me what I want. I said, well, I wanna do something with my life. You know, for the past 27 years, I haven't done shit.

[01:22:31] And I realize that, that I need to yeah. Do something to change. And these are what these guys are trying to do. Mm-hmm. Is help me get to where I wanna be in life. Gotcha. 

[01:22:43] Eldar: But the fir the process is a complicated one, obviously. Mm-hmm. Trying to figure out who he is. It's a very, 

[01:22:47] Harris: what It is. Very, it's a very difficult process.

[01:22:50] Course I say for everyone. Yeah. For everyone, you know? Uh, not just me, the whole group. Yeah. Identifying what I need. Yeah. Uh, I started, when I first started working here, we, I tried several different ways in the sales process. Uh, first I started with Tolli at a very difficult time with his process. I. Then I moved over to the profit himself, the guy that started the company, Eldar And, uh, [01:23:20] Eldar has been helping me learn, and I seem to be learning a little bit better with eld.

[01:23:24] A I got further in the, uh, I'd say in the process of, uh, life and sales with Eldar to the point where people in my family are not, uh, liking what they're seeing, but that's okay because 

[01:23:42] Jared: I'm leveling up. Be as you're doing. Mm-hmm. Be, be as you're actually do. Doing good now. Mm-hmm. They, 

[01:23:48] Harris: they don't really see it that way.

[01:23:50] Ldar R can elaborate on that. They see it as you're like, I don't know, 

[01:23:56] Jared: corrupting 

[01:23:56] Eldar: the youth. 

[01:23:57] Harris: Yeah. My personality's changing. Uh, I've had my mom say, you know, I don't like, uh, what you're becoming, uh, because they feel like. These, this group is changing the way I think you're, I'm not saying myself anymore, but as Eldar would say, I'm leveling up.

[01:24:15] They're not supposed to like what they see. Not, not everyone's gonna like you as we evolve, bro. Right. My mom say you're getting more cocky, but it's more confident. Mm-hmm. That type of thing. She views it as cocky, 

[01:24:29] Eldar: I think. I think that you probably are become a little bit more cocky. Why is that? Well, because as you start to learn a little bit more, right?

[01:24:37] As you start to understand a little bit more. Your application of those understandings can be a little bit rough. 

[01:24:43] Harris: So it comes off cocky to other people. 

[01:24:45] Eldar: Yes. And it probably is cocky because right now you're not leading with maybe compassion. Mm-hmm. Right. Understanding and acceptance. Right. Yeah. Um, then that happens a lot when it comes to like gaining knowledge or learning philosophy and stuff like that.

[01:24:57] First you become a little bit more judgmental about people. 

[01:24:59] Harris: Jared did tell you a little bit, my mom thinks I'm losing dog. I'm in a cult. And I said, I actually said to my mom, I said, yeah, I am in a cult mom. It's called Elder. Yes. That which was coined by Dennis, bro. It was coined by Dennis. I got by by Dennis Rocks that basically told, uh, uh, Eldar that he was trying to run a cult.

[01:25:19] Mm-hmm. That he was trying to brainwash people and to the truth is Jared, if you're here, Eldar is going to try to brainwash you, but for the better. Wow. We, 

[01:25:30] Eldar: we, 

[01:25:30] Harris: we 

[01:25:31] Eldar: we're gonna see Time 

[01:25:31] Harris: will 

[01:25:32] Eldar: tell, 

[01:25:32] Harris: jury's still out. He aims to try to get to the you to a better place. 

[01:25:37] Eldar: Yeah. Without context. It sounds pretty scary and crazy.

[01:25:39] Yeah. Fuck it. I'll go, I'll run with it. You know? Yeah. I'm gonna try to brainwash your ass, man. You're the one that even says it, bro. Just a man. The business trying to help people. No, no, no, no. I, my general statement of philosophy on brainwashing is that the truth of the matter is Jared's trying to brainwash me too.

[01:25:54] Mm-hmm. Wow. This whole week he was doing what? 

[01:25:58] Harris: Oh yeah. Dave's hot. I was like crazy. You understand? Dave's hot chicken. Dave's hot chicken. Of course. Yo, Dave's hot chicken's. The bomb. Lemme you understand? I had some 

[01:26:05] Jared: of that joint earlier today. It 

[01:26:06] Eldar: was delicious. So, so, so by that, what what we're saying is that we're always trying to share our experiences with others, right?

[01:26:13] Yeah. And why we do it. 'cause it's, it's like, you want me to be happy, right? Like, yo, you want, I want you to, I can't wait for you guys to try it on. There you go. I'm still excited about that. You see that? So, same thing here, what I've discovered about the world. It's not Dave's hot chicken. Sorry. I discovered philosophy 

[01:26:28] Harris: so Right.

[01:26:29] My, my dad tries to sabotage certain things. I'm gonna, I just wanna save this out there. Right? I 

[01:26:34] Eldar: gotta 

[01:26:34] Harris: go guys. Yeah. 

[01:26:35] Jared: Okay. Alright, Mike. 

[01:26:36] Harris: See? Wanna be out? Yeah, for sure. Mike, 

[01:26:38] Jared: you a safe man. 

[01:26:39] Harris: Yeah, my dad is like, yo, safe bro. You know, you gotta think about what you're doing. My dad doesn't see here that I'm type of, I'm, I'm in schooling, I'm in college.

[01:26:49] Yeah. I'm learning sales. You know, my dad thinks either you, you make it right then, then and now, and you do it. He doesn't look at it as like there's a learning curve to get to the point where you need to be successful. Yeah. And I, I thought about bringing this up to him, Eldar, is that the guys at the car dealerships?

[01:27:06] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:27:07] Harris: Right. They don't just jump in as salesmen. 

[01:27:08] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:27:09] Harris: They jump in as the lock guys learning the way the dealership works. Yeah. And then moving up. Yeah. My dad doesn't look at it that way. Mm-hmm. It's like even in the car sales, right? 

[01:27:19] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:27:19] Harris: It's either you get in it in the first three months and you learn it.

[01:27:23] Yeah. And you move up. 

[01:27:24] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:27:25] Harris: Or you just take off and leave. Yeah. That's not how it works. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But people also see me doing certain things and they get a little jealous and they try to sabotage it. 

[01:27:36] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:27:37] Harris: Like, I have certain members of my family, Jared, uh, that see me traveling.

[01:27:42] Mm-hmm. Like, yo, why are you traveling so much? Like, what's going on here? Yeah. And they try to sabotage my relationships in this group. 

[01:27:51] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:27:52] Harris: I'm not gonna mention who it is, but we all know who Yeah. Who these people are. 

[01:27:56] Eldar: Yeah. And I, like I said to you before that, I think that it's a natural occurrence, um, Harris, that you know, when you see, you don't see eye to eye with certain people, they're gonna start, try, try to challenge you into their own worldview, right.

[01:28:07] The way they know the world like your dad is trying to do, like we're trying to do. And the truth of the matter is, yeah, it's gonna look, especially because, let's just call it quote unquote, what we're doing here is a little bit more radical than most people. Right. Um, by thinking a lot for long periods of time, for prolonged period of time, and your head will start to hurt.

[01:28:25] Okay. That's maybe part of the side effects. Hopefully, uh, 

[01:28:28] Harris: like when I leave a podcast, sometimes I'll have a headache. Yeah. Really? Like I've taken so much in 

[01:28:32] Eldar: Yeah. Me. Uh, it's like, well, remember I told you that when you start getting headaches, you, you have to tell me why? Well, because we have to do that surgery.

[01:28:39] We have to. Are you 

[01:28:39] Harris: done, man? What? You're not drilling a a hole on my head. Even a 

[01:28:44] Eldar: lobotomy. No, no. What's, what's gonna happen, Jared here, is that like, if you stay here for a long period of time, if you have a squirrel, uh, the size of the brain, size of a squirrel, oh my, right in your head. Sooner or later it's gonna start expanding and becoming bigger and bigger.

[01:28:56] Why is he laughing, 

[01:28:56] Harris: man? 

[01:28:57] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:28:57] Harris: Does he have 

[01:28:58] a squirrel 

[01:28:58] size? Yeah. Brain. Yeah, he might. But you're the one who, who, who, 

[01:29:02] Jared: who's having headache that the podcast dog? Well, no, Jared, you take a lot in. 

[01:29:08] Harris: Paying attention. Yeah, of course. 

[01:29:08] Jared: I've taken in a lot of knowledge today. 

[01:29:11] Harris: Okay, good. Wait until you do it longer, longer, long enough.

[01:29:13] Yeah. 

[01:29:14] Eldar: To 

[01:29:14] Harris: the, to the face. Your, your head is literally blown, like holy shit to the face eventually. 

[01:29:19] Eldar: Yeah. It's interesting that, that you say it like that. That's interesting that, you know, obviously you, it's your experience and what you're feeling, right? Totally. Yeah. But I, I, I can see how that is true, you know, 

[01:29:29] Harris: but it's only me that sometimes I get, get headaches after the podcast.

[01:29:33] Eldar: Like, well, I definitely don't get headaches. If I was getting headaches consistently from a podcast, I'll definitely not do it. Why? Because why? Even if you know 

[01:29:40] Harris: you're 

[01:29:41] Eldar: learning something, I'm getting a head high. Like I'm getting high right now. 

[01:29:44] Harris: Well, yeah, it's a head high, but it also hurts. Can I 

[01:29:46] Eldar: press 

[01:29:46] Harris: a 

[01:29:46] Eldar: button?

[01:29:47] Harris: Yeah, 

[01:29:47] Eldar: sure. Which one can I, whichever one you 

[01:29:49] Harris: want.

[01:29:53] Oh, oh boy. I think we got a.

[01:29:58] But 

[01:29:58] yeah, no, 

[01:29:59] Jared: that's cool. I'm sorry. That's the reason I keep 

[01:30:01] Harris: going is because a lot of times my mind is blown the whole time. Well, yeah. Hopefully it's blown for the, for the right reasons. What? You 

[01:30:06] over there, man? 

[01:30:07] Eldar: Challenging yourself? No, don't mind him, man. That's his anxiety talking. All right. All right.

[01:30:15] Let's get back on it. Let's get back on it. What did we say? Anything? Did totally say anything. Is this problem valid? How can we help him? I mean, it's 

[01:30:22] Harris: valid,

[01:30:26] Eldar: but it's part of 

[01:30:26] life. 

[01:30:27] Harris: Yeah. You can't skip, man. 

[01:30:31] Eldar: Yeah. I don't think it's a skippable thing, but I think totally is also, is onto something that, you know, if you stay in a, in an environment long enough and a good environment, right, where you're nurtured, you're supported, you're challenged. And what I might get sooner or later, the gear is gonna start shifting.

[01:30:45] Like, wait a second, this guy's a trolling me right now. Why am I getting mad? Right? 

[01:30:48] Harris: Like, I might get mad at things. Yeah. But at the end of the day, I know this group has their best intentions. 

[01:30:55] Eldar: We don't wanna rely on the, at the end of the day part. Right. We don't wanna, we don't want you. I, we ultimately, we don't want you continue to remind you of these facts.

[01:31:05] Operate on hope and trust. Yes. Operate on hope and trust. Well, even well care for you. We have to 

[01:31:09] Harris: break through certain things. Yes. I'm working on this. 

[01:31:12] Eldar: Yes. Hopefully one day you'll be able to deduce it on your own. That, that which is being what, what which is happening. And transpiring here is actually for the good.

[01:31:21] And that even when sometimes you're being challenged, your ego and arrogance are flaring up. You know what I mean? That if you break through those levels, I think you'll come out on top. But that's for you to find out and you know, for me to prove it out to you, you just 

[01:31:34] Harris: gotta keep, uh, kicking down the door.

[01:31:36] Uh, yeah. 

[01:31:37] Eldar: Of ignorance and arrogance and pride and anger and frustration and all that other stuff. I'm still 

[01:31:41] Harris: here, man. 

[01:31:42] Eldar: You are still here. And we give you props. We give you props. For now. For now. I'm fighting 

[01:31:45] Harris: for now. Yeah. 

[01:31:46] I'm fighting for my life. 

[01:31:47] You literally are fighting for your life. I agree. 

[01:31:49] Eldar: I 

[01:31:49] Harris: agree with this.

[01:31:51] I do agree with this. Jared, are you fighting 

[01:31:52] for your life yet? 

[01:31:54] I'm, I'm loving this dog right now. Yeah. Okay. He's not there yet, so Totally. Give us some final thoughts on this topic. Yeah, 

[01:32:02] Toliy: yeah. I mean, like, I, like, I know when I speak about this, like it sounds like I'm talking to a lot of shit and it sounds like, um, like I'm trying to speed something up or like 

[01:32:13] Eldar: mm-hmm.

[01:32:14] Toliy: Hack something, but, um, not, not in like a, um, like a prideful way or, or like an ego-driven way. Right. Is it a 

[01:32:22] Harris: concerned way? 

[01:32:23] Toliy: But No, no, no, no. Not, not, not that I'm saying that like, um, I, I, I think that like what, what I'm talking about today and what, like, my reason for bringing up this subject is that like, like, is.

[01:32:37] Um, I, I, obviously, I don't wanna talk about it. Like I want to actually prove it. 

[01:32:43] Eldar: Yeah. You know, 

[01:32:44] Toliy: and I don't wanna prove it to like, not, not for like, uh, you know, haters or, or anything like that, because I don't think I'll have, I don't think it's possible for me to have hate, hate haters on those kinds of things that I'm talking about.

[01:32:56] Um, I agree with you there for it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Um, like, I want to prove it that, um, that like, um, there are different ways of, um, of learning and I think that if you tune, tune in, um, it, like if, if, if you tune into the truth in particular ways and you really pay attention to what's going on, I think that you could instill, um, curiosity and you could like recreate that like, um.

[01:33:34] Imagination land that like you had as a kid, and then you can operate like as an adult in that kind of way. Hmm. Right. Um, wow, that's interesting. And, and like you actually have the ability to do all of those things when empowered, like, um Yeah. Correctly. Properly. 

[01:33:53] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:33:53] Toliy: Right. And I know that I'll be asking questions and I'll be, um, so many people around me that at those times will, will, will know more and be able to challenge me, um, in particular ways to, um, help enable me to learn in different, in, in a different way.

[01:34:15] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:34:16] Toliy: Um, and I think if I am consistent with that long enough, um, I think the thing that 

[01:34:22] Eldar: I'm talking about on this episode, um. I think I'll be able to like, 

[01:34:29] Toliy: prove it, you know? By, by, by action. Doing it. Yeah. By action. Yeah. And then I think that it could be, um, some, some something I think for other people to also look at and see that I think it's possible, it's possible to, um, to learn in different ways and, and if, if, if you're willing to pay attention for long enough.

[01:34:52] Eldar: Hmm. Okay. Harris, 

[01:34:57] Toliy: obviously, I don't know like a hundred percent if, if, if it's like a yeah, if, if it can be done. But, um, I'm definitely going to, to do my best at it. 

[01:35:09] Eldar: Okay. I dunno if I can speak on this man.

[01:35:16] Okay, Jared. What are your final 

[01:35:19] thoughts on this? 

[01:35:19] Toliy: Well, but what do, what do you think out there is something like that? Like do you, do you think that's farfetched or possible or, 

[01:35:25] Eldar: no, I think it's very doable and I think you'll get it. You think so? 100%. I think everybody, I, I 

[01:35:30] Harris: don't think I'm in a place to speak about this yet.

[01:35:32] No, 

[01:35:33] Eldar: not yet. But I think that you are in the right place to be able to like, be here to like absorb this right now. Maybe if you don't understand it fully, but I think it's, uh, it's gonna serve its purpose 

[01:35:44] with 

[01:35:44] time. Good talk. Yeah, it is. 

[01:35:48] Toliy: Yeah. 1, 1, 1 thing I also like, uh, she's gotten 

[01:35:51] Eldar: this by being where you were.

[01:35:53] Yeah. 

[01:35:54] Toliy: 1, 1, 1 thing I also noticed that like in, in our like immediate circle when like, um, like it doesn't matter who's improving at what, when people are improving, everyone benefits from it. Everyone. Hundred percent. Um, yeah, like, like everyone gets something out, out of everything. Yeah. No matter what it is on like, whatever sub subject, 

[01:36:16] Harris: every time I ring that bell, everyone gets a 

[01:36:21] Eldar: Yeah.

[01:36:22] And sometimes you unring it too. I don't ring it until I close the deal. Yeah. No, no one gets anything when you ring that bell, please. 

[01:36:35] Harris: No one gets hyped up. I no elder does sometimes, 

[01:36:39] Eldar: uh, hyped up. I get hyped up for you. For you, for your purpose. Yeah. Alright. I like to, I need to fight. I get a chub 

[01:36:45] Harris: every time I call the deal, man.

[01:36:47] Oh, it's good. 

[01:36:47] Eldar: It's 

[01:36:47] Harris: good. Yeah.

[01:36:52] Eldar: So jar. So Jar, what's your final thoughts, man? Yeah. What's your final thoughts? What did we say anything? Are we onto something? Is this beneficial? Did you benefit? How did you benefit? Um, 

[01:37:04] Jared: I, I, I feel like I've taken it a lot. Like I, I can't even, I. Start. Really? Yeah. I like that. Okay. That's fair. That's alright.

[01:37:11] Harris: You know, you'll get used to it. I like fucking guy. See, he's, he's the, he's the bridge. Yeah, he's the hook. Harris is the hook followed on Instagram? Ooh Harris. That's say, guys, I remember that. You don't have any final thoughts, man. Final thoughts. 

[01:37:30] Eldar: All right, fine. 

[01:37:31] Harris: You do any of your like, hard, hard speeches, bro.

[01:37:35] Like your final thoughts are usually blown, you know? Yeah. Okay. Fine. I'll blow your mind here 

[01:37:41] Eldar: more and more. I feel like every time we talk about these types of topics, it's more and more it's like, um, the feelings that I get at least, right? We are in the right place at the right time with the right people, and this is more like destiny or fate you wanna call it, you know?

[01:37:57] Mm-hmm. I don't know. I have this feeling, these feelings at least every time we talk about it and that when I do have these feelings, it's uh, it brings me this feeling of peace, maybe like, of like, it feels good. I don't know. Like I don't get a headache from this, from these types of talks. Right. I actually feel good.

[01:38:12] I'm at peace and I'm happy that if the truth is being spoken about here, that the people around us are witnessing it, you know? Sure. Sometimes that truth is instant and automatic and we feel it, and I understand it. We can go back and forth, but sometimes that truth gets lodged a little bit deeper. In your subconscious, maybe your subconscious right and down the line.

[01:38:34] This stuff that we're talking about right now will come out and blossom. How it's gonna look, I'm not really sure, but something tells me from the years that we've done this for Right. When it does come out, it is a beautiful experience and that's what I'm gonna tie to what toll's saying that one person benefits, doesn't matter who it is, when it is, but when they actually benefit.

[01:38:55] You can see that outwardly. That feels hella good because everyone benefits from it. And I think that's why we do this in the first place. And that's why, for us, the motto was always the more the merrier. You know what I mean? That we accept all walks of life, including the way you look and the way you are put the hell that supposed to be.

[01:39:13] And, 

[01:39:13] Toliy: and, and one thing just acceptance, bro. And to me, why this is the best mo model out there, right? Because the, the long, the long lost, like, uh, like the, um, the longstanding debate of, uh, of, of what, what's a longstanding debate? 

[01:39:31] Eldar: Nature versus nurture 

[01:39:33] Toliy: that debate's not exist here. Why? Because there's both nature and nurture.

[01:39:38] Harris: Oh, going on shit. 

[01:39:40] Toliy: So because of that, it creates an, it creates an environment for the fastest paced learning. Possible in, in, of mankind because there's no battle. Just what, 

[01:39:50] Eldar: what you just said is this. And the most arrogant, non arrogant and not prideful wise, is that we're the best. 

[01:39:56] Harris: The best. In the best.

[01:39:57] We're the 

[01:39:57] Eldar: best. No matter how you spin 

[01:39:59] Toliy: it, because you [01:40:00] get, you'll get the right ture, the right environment, and you get the right nurture on top of it. 

[01:40:04] Harris: I just wanna state one thing. You win both 

[01:40:06] Toliy: ways. 

[01:40:08] Harris: All right. It's about the headaches. Hmm. I don't, it's not that I like the headaches, but I don't mind them.

[01:40:15] It's funny how that works. Huh? You 

[01:40:16] know why? 

[01:40:17] Yeah. 

[01:40:18] Because that means, you know, 

[01:40:20] I'm taking shit in. 

[01:40:21] Okay. You know, that's disgusting. It's a good thing, man. Yo, why are you gonna 

[01:40:25] Toliy: put your mind there? Well, because your shirt is top off, off. You're saying you're taking shit in. But you 

[01:40:29] Eldar: know right now why you have headaches in the first place.

[01:40:31] Why? 'cause there's a battle. Battle of the wis. No. The battle of who you are and the battle of what you actually are. And that probably will sink in later. We talked about your soul, who you are at a core, and then we talked about your personality of who you are in this world. Those two things are clashing and they're fighting, and that's why you get a headache.

[01:40:50] Toliy: Hey, please. 

[01:40:51] Eldar: All right? Yep. Thank you guys. This was great as always. Thank you. I'm gonna leave you guys with this right here. Oh, Jared, you can press any button 

[01:40:58] Warren: you 

[01:41:00] Harris: that's for you. Don't. No, no, no. You can't overdo it hot. You can't overdo it. 

[01:41:11] You have a full 

[01:41:11] Jared: button of it. 

[01:41:14] Harris: Jesus Christ, but you can't press all '

[01:41:16] Jared: em at once.

[01:41:17] Jesus Christ on the motor. That's, that's, that's Harris W 

[01:41:19] Eldar: can't.