174. Falling on Your Sword: The Path to True Self-Discovery

 Why do we sometimes prevent others from falling on their sword? 

In this episode, the group explores the concept of allowing individuals to confront their own mistakes and experience personal growth without interference. Key discussions include the experience of Harris embarking on a new self-improvement plan and how the group's dynamics play a role in his journey. They touch on the balance between offering guidance and letting someone 'fall on their sword' to learn critical life lessons. The conversation delves into deeper philosophical ideas about consciousness, attachment, and how true learning often begins with the realization of knowing nothing. Personal anecdotes and reflections from the members enrich the discussion, making it a compelling exploration of self-improvement, wisdom, and the human experience.

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Chapters

• 0:42 The Concept of Falling on Your Sword
• 7:13 The Weight Loss Challenge
• 29:47 Harris's Motivation and Family Dynamics
• 1:00:37 Humor and Consciousness
• 1:13:21 Reprogramming the Subconscious
• 1:25:06 The Importance of Falling on Your Sword
• 1:41:13 Learning Through Failure
• 1:51:47 Final Thoughts and Reflections

Transcript

[00:00:00] Eldar: On this week's episode, I obviously want Harris to develop character, but first you have to face yourself falling on your sword is seeing things through. So the lesson at the end of the sword is finally understood 

[00:00:13] Mike: when you have the truth behind you as the reason why you're doing something. Mm-hmm. You don't need to announce it.

[00:00:17] That's right. You don't need it because you have the truth as your strength when you're doing it for the all the wrong reasons. Yeah. You need that. 

[00:00:25] Toliy: The only thing that you need to know is that you know nothing. Yeah. And then if you do that, you can get everything. You can leverage everyone else around you yeah's like knowledge and understanding.

[00:00:34] Yeah. And never get hurt. Yeah.

[00:00:42] Eldar: All right guys, I guess we'll freestyle it a little bit and then obviously we'll as always come up with some stuff that's thought provoking. You know, for some, and for those who can use their brains yet, they could just silently sit. But, um, one topic came to mind, um, because of the recent events that transpired.

[00:01:12] Why do we sometimes prevent others from, as we call f falling on their sword, right? This is a saying, say, Hey, let 'em fall on their sword. Sword, right? Why do we sometimes act as of, um, I don't know, guides or shields or protectors? And I think that, um, everyone has their own example, you know, despite the fact that maybe we just had one with Mike and Harris.

[00:01:40] Um, totally. I I know that, you know, you have one with your sister plenty of times. 

[00:01:46] Katherine: Yeah. 

[00:01:46] Eldar: You know, with your mom. I know I have it sometimes, sometimes I have soft spots for Catherine, you know what I mean? And others. Uh, but I think that, um, if we learn how to allow people to fall on their sword and be there for them when they do, I think we can cultivate a lot more stronger bonds and understanding through those experiences because we navigate those experiences with those people, you know, and obviously we wish them well, but a lot of times we're like almost wanna protect them.

[00:02:19] Um, and maybe teaching when not asked, right? Or trying to do preventative care where there's a bigger lesson that's in involved and, um, and allowing 

[00:02:31] the people to fall on their sword, you know?

[00:02:37] So what do you guys think about this topic? The fact that a 

[00:02:39] lot of times we simp out. Not just, you know, people pleasing all the time, but it's all, it's ultimately that's what it is. It's people pleasing, you know, not allowing people to hurt themselves, uh, in order to gain the experience that they need or learn the lesson, allow their ego to be, um, challenged, their pride to be shattered.

[00:03:01] Mm-hmm. In order to go 

[00:03:02] to the next level of development.

[00:03:07] Is it just plain and simple where we just want to 

[00:03:11] play the protective role? Or is it something a lot deeper where Misery likes company, 

[00:03:18] for example? I don't want people to level up past my own level. I don't want people maybe to know something that I do. 

[00:03:30] Or is it just simple, like I said, uh, protection.

[00:03:33] Mike: Well, in, in this case that just transpired. Like I, I gave my testimony. 

[00:03:37] Eldar: Yeah. You know, 

[00:03:38] Mike: I can give it again on air, like Sure, yeah. Yeah. Totally is very competitive. Yeah. You know, and I have a very negative thing. Wait, Mike, 

[00:03:47] Katherine: can I pause you there? 

[00:03:48] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:03:48] Katherine: Can you guys talk about like the actual, you know, 'cause like listeners won't know.

[00:03:54] Okay. Like, what, what happened? Break down the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[00:03:56] Eldar: So, um, Harris Gen, uh, Harris is uh, on started yesterday. Yesterday he started his program of what is called um, Harris. GI up, gi up, which means get your life in order plan, right? Uh, where we, we sat down collectively and we put together a plan where we help Harris get his life in order.

[00:04:21] This is, you know, as easy as it is, starting with physical, right? For a very long time, Harris wanted to lose some weight. He's overweight, he's outta shape, he's not strong. He wants to exercise, he wants to get more athletic, and all this other good stuff, right? I feel good. Um, so we put together a plan where we could help him on this journey, right?

[00:04:40] And everyone was assigned very specific roles in this plan. For example, I was assigned to exercise. Mike was assigned to diet, totally was assigned to sleep, and Tommy was assigned to quitting vaping, right? Because it's one of the things that Harris does that's not good for his health. Um, this is day two.

[00:04:59] And naturally, Harris being Harris, he likes to talk shit, right? Maybe he's already feeling a certain level of success, you know, and he's taking pride in it, you know, so he likes to, you know, maybe push the envelope a little bit, right? And the thing is, the environment that he's pushing the envelope to, sometimes he's underestimating that the environment actually can push the envelope even further.

[00:05:24] Right. 

[00:05:25] Toliy: Well, that and the, and that the environment, uh, enables you to push the envelope to begin with. Think that you can push the envelope. 

[00:05:31] Eldar: Yes. Obviously, the environment allows you right to be as, as close as possible to your true self, as as you are. Right. A lot of times, you know, if you worked in a corporate environment right, they have certain rules and stuff like that, you won't show your ass.

[00:05:44] Right. But in this environment, you do show your ass. We actually, and we, yeah, it's comfortable and we can actually see exactly who you are. And obviously to some, to some people it's to the benefit, it's to some people, to the detriment, to the individuals that couldn't hang. You know how they say that, that, that's saying about the kitchen?

[00:06:04] No, I'm trying to think. 

[00:06:05] Toliy: No, if you can't take the heat, get out the kitchen. 

[00:06:07] Eldar: Mm. Yeah. When the stove is hot, don't touch it. You know what I mean? Don't 

[00:06:12] Harris: touch it. Okay. 

[00:06:14] Eldar: So yeah, if you can't take the heat, you get out the kitchen. Some people obviously get out the kitchen, right? Harris is in the kitchen, right?

[00:06:21] And like I said, he has the ability to push the envelope because of the way he is and, and totally has the ability to push the envelope. I have that ability, Mike. We all do have this ability where we can push each other to, to the limits of coming out of our face or whatever, ego flaring up, pride and all this other stuff, which is a good thing, you know, but sometimes we get to the moments where you have to put your money, where your mouth is, you know?

[00:06:47] And we do this a lot. We like to bet, we like to wager, we like to compete, we like to talk shit. The shit talking gets to a point where then we have to see who's about what, because the barking becomes so loud. Then one party or another gets like, okay, let's, let's, let's talk about it. Let's talk about this.

[00:07:07] And today totally had that moment. After a full day, like totally said his testimony right? Earlier, after a full day of Harris's, uh, barking at Toley about weight loss and diet or his plan or what he's doing right? Toley said, okay, Harris, let's have a conversation. Let's sit down and talk. And they briefly did, right?

[00:07:30] Harris was kind of nagging him, and I was throwing fuel into the fire. I'm very good at that. You definitely are. I am very good at that. See, I, I know exactly what I'm doing in the moment that you don't, 

[00:07:40] Harris: you set me up for fall. 

[00:07:42] Eldar: You think so? Is that what you're doing? Well, well, I hope it's not an actual fall.

[00:07:46] Yeah. I hope it's actual, you know, open-minded thinking now. But yeah, I, I want somebody to fall. If somebody needs to fall in that moment, I want them to fall. Because again, like I said, what we talk, this topic is about allowing the people to fall on their sword, right? And the sword sometimes came, comes out and Harris's sword came out.

[00:08:06] It's a small little two inch dildo, dildo, purple dildo. And to came out with a bazooka and he said, all right, I'm ready. Are you ready? And, and Harris is like, what are we doing? Toley said, whoever loses more weight. I mean, or lose less weight in four months. Totally challenged him to a weight loss 

[00:08:26] Toliy: thing. No, I think Harris brought up, let's do competition, right?

[00:08:29] I, I don't think I did. Yeah. I brought up competition. Harris brought it up. He's the one that suggested Let's do it. Totally. Is the one that turned it. Harris, I'm in charge. I'm, I'm, I'm in charge of sleep here. Overall, I'm obviously cheering for Harris to do well. Right. Okay. And he was barking at me all day about what I'm doing, like my process, like me going to the gym, losing, 

[00:08:48] Katherine: did, did we get losing to the bottom of why he was No, no, no.

[00:08:52] That's a different topic. That's a different 

[00:08:54] Eldar: topic. Topic. Yeah. That, that's a different topic. And I think that we'll get into it, hopefully. Okay. And maybe how Harris can help us out in that portion of this. But for now, he can keep his mouth. I'm justand that part. Yeah. Um, yeah. Yeah. He, he, he came up with the first challenge and told us was like, okay, let's, what do you want to bet?

[00:09:10] Right? And Harris like, I don't know. Totally was like, well, no. Totally 

[00:09:14] Harris: wanted to turn it into a wage. No, no. 

[00:09:16] Toliy: You said Let's do a challenge. Let's do a challenge. Yeah. But the 

[00:09:18] Harris: challenge doesn't have to be a bet. It's automatically correct. What is the 

[00:09:21] Katherine: difference between a wager and, and a be or a challenge.

[00:09:23] Okay. 

[00:09:23] Eldar: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll explain that to you. A friendly wager. It's like, let's prove each other wrong kind of thing. 

[00:09:29] Toliy: Me and LER do this all the time. Like U ffc. 

[00:09:31] Eldar: Yeah. You know, we just talk shit 

[00:09:33] Toliy: and sometimes I'll, I'll talk shit too much and he's like, okay, let's make a bet. And, and then I bet. And then he backs, backs down.

[00:09:38] 'cause other, wants to do a, like a giant thing. Yes. Like, like, you know. Correct. 

[00:09:42] Katherine: I'll put your money with your, your Yeah. Or sometimes 

[00:09:44] Toliy: we do agree. Okay, let's do it. And then we put our money where, and somebody loses or whatever. Somebody loses. We need to get to the bottom of it 

[00:09:49] Eldar: because the eagles are fair enough.

[00:09:51] Yeah. And enough to 

[00:09:51] Katherine: stop the chatter. Yeah. 

[00:09:52] Eldar: Enough to stop somebody's talking shit. Yeah. Yeah. This is very important. You know what I mean? Obviously Mike is learning how to do that. He's got a lot, a bit of a problem with doing that. We're waging beds, competitive nature, so he stays away from it. Okay. You know, he shies away from it, which is an important element I think in the story as well.

[00:10:08] Mm-hmm. Yeah. And like knowing your Yes. Your limits. And she, she said that. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good thing. Me and Toi, we thrive in these things. So when Harris is talking shit to Toi, I'm enjoying the process. Uh, Mike is enjoying it. Everybody's kind of observing it, right. And to ISS in it is in the thick with it.

[00:10:24] And then to iss like, okay, you wanna have an actual conversation, let's have a conversation and you know, to cut the short story long or whatever they call it, um, to iss, like let's do a bet. And Harris like, what do you want? Bet. And Harris went to maybe money at first a thousand dollars, something like that.

[00:10:39] No, you recommended a thousand. I'll, uh, 

[00:10:41] Toliy: wash your dishes. Like, I dunno, I dunno if someone suggested it, but it was about washing dishes for like demand. Yeah. On demand or maybe for a month or something. No, I said 

[00:10:48] Mike: he should clean your house for four months and wash dishes, do your laundry, everything. Four months.

[00:10:52] That was my suggestion. 

[00:10:54] Eldar: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said that and then totally said, you know, he countered it and he said, this is what we should do. Whoever loses right. Whoever loses less weight in four months. Is gonna quit their smartphone for two years, meaning they'll transition to a dumb phone. Mm-hmm.

[00:11:11] You know, a flip phone for those two years, and then Harris's like, whoa. You know, and I totally could talk about why he, he made such a be obviously Right. Uh, why there's significance there, but all of a sudden it got a little quieter parasol looking around the room. 

[00:11:28] Toliy: Yeah. 'cause also to me, in that moment, he is braiding me and being nasty all day.

[00:11:32] Right. All day. I didn't see nasty. To me, it's about like when you're, when you act that kind of way, and then you wanna try to challenge me on top of it, right? So then I, so then I'm like, okay, you know? Mm-hmm. Let's have a conversation now. Mm-hmm. Right. So now this can't be like a, like how me and elder usually have like, I don't know, a $10, $5, like, I don't know, $20, like some, some, some like little thing, right?

[00:11:56] Because when we have this, we're, we're not going at our next like that or like acting like that kind of way to somebody throughout like a day or something, right? Mm-hmm. Or, or, or maybe you would be, right. So then here I'm like, okay, this has to be huge, right? Mm-hmm. Because like, the lesson is huge. The audacity first off of the person to do what he's doing to me was crazy, right?

[00:12:17] Mm. Because first off, I'm on his side, like in the process mm-hmm. Of helping him and wishing well for him to, to do this, to begin with the audacity of him to come at me in that kind of way. He also been doing this for not even one day. Not even following it to a T one day. Oh, no. And then making conclusions after like, I don't know, one or two meals or whatever together.

[00:12:42] That's, that's saying like he, 

[00:12:43] Katherine: he flew too close to the sun. Right? 

[00:12:45] Eldar: No. Let me, let me, let me come into the fence real quick. Okay. I don't want totally to paint a completely unfair picture about Harris's barrage on him, because I think Harris has this ability where he could be funny and it's all playing fun.

[00:13:00] Mm-hmm. But then he gets a little bit nasty. Yes. And Harris yet, I think to be, have enough awareness to understand where the switch happens. Okay. Where it become, where it was funny and jokey. Right. Where Toi is not gonna bark back at him because he understands it's light, right? Mm-hmm. And then it turns a little bit nasty.

[00:13:20] Mm. Right. Okay. And that is felt among everyone. Yeah. And we know this. 

[00:13:24] All: Yeah. 

[00:13:24] Eldar: Harris has this thing. Right. I think Harris, you know, we can call it bipolar. Can we call that up for now? Yeah. Whatever you feel, man. Alright, cool. Thank you. I'm the prophet A All right. Yeah. So I get a little pass, whatever you wanna call it.

[00:13:36] Right. But I think that the, that that little thing where Harris has no control over, right. Between light and jokey to then being a little bit nasty and a little bit, you know, Aggy. 

[00:13:45] All: Mm-hmm. I 

[00:13:46] Eldar: take it a little too far. He takes it a little bit too far. 

[00:13:49] All: Mm. Okay. 

[00:13:49] Eldar: But the thing is, like I said, in this environment, we are very sensitive.

[00:13:53] We know when he starts taking it too far mm-hmm. When we start taking it too far. I know. Uh, he doesn't, but we do. So we start applying very specific pressure. Mm-hmm. Right. Saying very outrageous, crazy things to him, what he's not ready for, so where we can con continue to keep our composure. He, shes up, right.

[00:14:14] And he starts going, fuck you, man. You know what I mean? And this is a real one. Fuck you. You know? 

[00:14:20] Katherine: Oh wait, he gave this one, he actually said it like, this is a real one. This is a real one. He gave 

[00:14:24] Eldar: me that one. You know, I love that earlier. Yeah. This is a real one, you know, because the way he defines Oh fuck you, is like, I love you.

[00:14:30] Right. Because it's 

[00:14:30] Katherine: more jokey. Yeah. 

[00:14:31] Eldar: Joke. No, no, it's, I love you. You know what I mean? He wanted to make sure that I know 

[00:14:35] Katherine: that. I mean, this one. Yeah. This what I mean. 

[00:14:37] You know what I mean? 

[00:14:39] Harris: Fine. Listen, listen. Sometimes you need a little bit of that, man. That's what you think. 

[00:14:44] Katherine: Yeah.

[00:14:48] Eldar: So the difference is that we're conscious when we go into these little battles, and he is not, we can take it all the way far and we understand the repercussions behind it. 

[00:15:00] Katherine: Mm-hmm. He might 

[00:15:00] Eldar: step in the landmine that he's not ready to step on. 

[00:15:03] Katherine: Yeah. 

[00:15:04] Eldar: Right. I 

[00:15:04] Katherine: can see that. Yeah. 

[00:15:05] Eldar: And this little wager, I was well aware where we going.

[00:15:09] All: Mm-hmm. 

[00:15:09] Eldar: I knew that there was a lesson to be, to be, uh, had for, for Harris, and there was a lesson to be had for Totally. Mm-hmm. 

[00:15:16] All: Totally 

[00:15:16] Eldar: is on his kick of trying to lose weight. Great. This is awesome. He's gonna compete awesome. He's gonna compete. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Like the wager was kind of innocent, you know what I mean?

[00:15:26] We all agreed that, you know, not using your, um, smartphone for a long period of time actually is a beneficial thing for your brain. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? That's gonna benefit you in the long run. 

[00:15:36] All: Yeah. 

[00:15:36] Eldar: You know, it gives you, give you a perspective. So I, it was like, this is awesome. I'm, I'm taking it all the way in my mind.

[00:15:42] This is why I acted the way I did. I was like, I'm ready. Mm-hmm. You know, but then when Harris, who was backed by Mike, right? As soon as Toi put up the wager of like, Hey, two years, no phone. Mike's like, Hey, don't do it because it's gonna be easier for Toi to lose weight than you, because TOI has more weight to lose.

[00:16:01] You know, Harris like, oh, right away he's using that excuse now to back out of the wager. It's like, oh, I'm not doing it because it's easier for you. Look at this. You know what I mean? 

[00:16:10] Katherine: Yeah. He couldn't stand, but, but, but also like, I think from Harris's side, you know, point of view, like if he, if this is not an area that he's like, well versed in this might be a little intimidating, a little scary.

[00:16:21] Like, you know, to have someone again, like doubt your abilities. Oh yeah. It's only going to make that a hundred percent percent, a hundred percent much. It's gonna just, yeah, but put a fire under your own in, you know, like, you know, insecurity about it. Maybe, you know, like, how come he's not listening 

[00:16:36] Eldar: to me?

[00:16:36] I'm the prophet. 

[00:16:39] Harris: Hmm. [00:16:40] Because sometimes you set up the fall, man, do you see that? And that is intelligence. No. Yeah, a hundred percent. I've taken falls with you, man. When, when my green hair, man, come on man. You like that shit, bro? I did not like the green hair. You don't like the green? You 

[00:16:59] Eldar: couldn't even, you could barely see it.

[00:17:00] Dude, that was awesome. I could barely tell if you, if you 

[00:17:03] Harris: stand in the sun, that was throw thanks to your mother, man. Yeah. She said, we're not doing this again. She did a really good job. 

[00:17:08] Eldar: You know, so you should thank her, but okay. That's intelligence. That's him, you know, sa saving himself and saying, you know what, RA's lesson is a tough one.

[00:17:20] I'm not willing to go there. Mm-hmm. Let me, let me, let me squeeze out. Let Mike, now we bring Mike into the equation. 

[00:17:27] Katherine: Mm. 

[00:17:28] Eldar: The guy that doesn't like competition, that doesn't like confrontation. 

[00:17:31] Katherine: You know what this just reminded me of? Um, you know, when like Penny goes out to bark in the yard? Yes, yes. But she's only willing to do it.

[00:17:39] Really? Yes. If Archie's with her, with her otherwise. So she like barks and then she's like, oh wait, he's not with me. I'm outta here. I'm outta here. She just said yesterday, porch. She goes right back inside porch. Inside the house. The porch. Yes. That gave me like Yes. The same scenario. But yeah. So, so that's, yeah.

[00:17:52] It was like a scapegoat for him to, you know, be like, you know what? 

[00:17:55] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. If Mike doesn't 

[00:17:56] Katherine: believe in me, like I'm outta here. I don't know. Like maybe this is gonna be tough. Tough. And obviously 

[00:18:00] Eldar: Mike is playing a huge role right now in his life. Oh, course. Rightfully so. I think he should look up to Mike.

[00:18:04] Yeah, of course. You know what I mean? Mike's word should mean something. You know, 

[00:18:09] Katherine: also, Mike has been there, Mike has been success. Mike's been there. He has successful in the weight loss. 

[00:18:13] Harris: Yeah. You know, and I actually mentioned that from the guy that lost, I don't know how much he said he lost a hundred pounds.

[00:18:19] Let's just go with that. A hundred pounds. Yeah. 

[00:18:22] Eldar: Yeah, 

[00:18:22] All: yeah. 

[00:18:23] Eldar: So, yeah. So that's the background where we, Mike, you were gonna say? Yeah, yeah, 

[00:18:27] Mike: yeah. 

[00:18:27] Eldar: So yeah, pick that up. 

[00:18:29] Mike: So from the, you know, you're thinking about the falling on the sword. Yeah. Which I, I, I mean, I think I try to ride with that mm-hmm. As much as I can, because I, most of the time I see yeah.

[00:18:40] The importance of what's happening. But yeah. Uh, in this situation, I have my own attachment. 

[00:18:45] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:18:46] Mike: Uh, and I couldn't see the situation for what it was. 

[00:18:51] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:18:51] Mike: Because of my like automatic emotional like, uh, negative like, uh, response, connection to Yeah. The competition and the, and what you saw and told me, and what I saw in told was coming out, which, which I have never liked because of my trauma or whatever.

[00:19:04] Like, uh, yeah. It doesn't matter. Whatever it is. Yeah. I, and I saw that side of him and I didn't like it. So automatically what it does to me, it shuts me down. Yeah. And I can't use like, logic. I'm just basically trapped in this like thing. So I have to then defend my constituent constituent, you know? So yeah.

[00:19:23] That's what happened because of my own attachment. Yeah. And my own like, uh, emotional. Um, compromise. Compromise of, of this thing. Yeah. 

[00:19:33] Eldar: You know? Yeah. You saw my switch, I switched right away. Yeah. I went from being on Harris's side trolling. Totally. Mm-hmm. Right? Because I was throwing the Oh, I know. I saw, you know, the fuel into the fire.

[00:19:44] You, I, I was giving him shit to say. Yeah. Yeah. I know. You know what I mean? He was running with, you know, well, you, you stopped, man. Yeah. You stopped giving me shit to say. That's right. And then I switched and I was like, oh. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. 

[00:19:55] Harris: No, totally cut you outta, you know what 

[00:19:56] Eldar: I'm doing. Right. 

[00:19:57] Harris: Totally.

[00:19:58] Cut you outta the equation, man. He didn't want you to say nothing, gimme anything. Correct. You know, 

[00:20:03] Eldar: he did the right thing. He did the right thing in the situation. He understood the situation, required focus. He said, okay, you wanna focus, I'm gonna look you straight in the eye. I'm gonna say, who are you as a man?

[00:20:13] And then you realize that you carrying a one inch dick. Oh, fuck you, man. 

[00:20:17] Toliy: Yeah. Like in the mo moment, I'm definitely, I mean, smartphone's a big deal for me too. Like for everything. 

[00:20:23] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:20:23] Toliy: Like, like, you know, but I'm going all in because of the, like the, uh, the mouth on him all day and every, everything that he's doing.

[00:20:31] Mm-hmm. And, and like, like to, to, to me, it's like I don't even have a plan yet. I didn't even think about okay, like what I'm gonna do, but in the moment that he's thinking about, I'm already not, I'm ready to not eat for a month already. Like, I'm already thinking maybe I'm gonna go to Modern Story. And that's the thing that I know.

[00:20:46] Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm willing to go there in, in, in that moment. Like, it's like in, in, in that moment, it's like, that's it. When, when, like, it's probably how you felt. Like the neighbors and all that stuff was happening with my deck. Yeah. Like I'm, yeah. I'm, I'm ready. Like, let's say you lost your head. I'm ready to chop off my legs.

[00:21:02] Yeah. Nouse, the two prosthetic legs. Elder lost his head then. Yeah. In my garage right now. Yeah. I'm ready to die. Yeah. Yeah. That, that's how I feel internally. I, because some, 'cause someone is being completely disrespectful. Yeah. So she has to stand on principle. Yeah. So now, now I'm ready to stand on it. I don't even have a plan yet.

[00:21:17] I didn't even, like Yeah, you don't care. I was, well do whatever. Yeah. Opposite. I'm like, I'm walking in the morning, I'm slow. Like, you know, relatively like mm-hmm. You know, trying to eat a little bit healthier at times and like, taking your time doing Yeah. Mild stuff. Enjoying my, my myself. Mm-hmm. 

[00:21:31] Katherine: Like 

[00:21:31] Toliy: that.

[00:21:32] Right. I'm not doing like, you know, personal training, like crazy workouts or like whatever. But in that moment, like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm ready to go. That's it. You know? 

[00:21:42] Eldar: Okay. And I think that is a very important testimony because I think that everyone should strive to be able to have that. 

[00:21:48] Katherine: Yeah. To, that's believing in yourself.

[00:21:50] Eldar: It's believing in yourself 

[00:21:51] Katherine: to a, to a certain extent. Correct. You know, like that's where 

[00:21:53] Eldar: you draw the power of Yeah. Knowing what you're about. Knowing what your potential is. Yeah. You, you're capabilities and then say, you know what, I'm gonna fucking do this. 

[00:22:00] All: Yeah. 

[00:22:01] Eldar: You know what I mean? So, despite the fact that we think that the ha the, the, the moment was for Harris.

[00:22:06] Hi, Harris. You still with us? 

[00:22:07] Toliy: And, and, and, and, and just to add to it, like I didn't even think about. Oh, okay. Like Elder is very competitive. Elder's gonna be with Harris. I'm, I was 

[00:22:15] Eldar: in his corner like that. You, you didn't even consider even considering that I wasn't going in there to lose against him. Yeah.

[00:22:20] Katherine: Ideally 

[00:22:21] Eldar: I have shit against him. You know what I mean? You 

[00:22:22] Katherine: also had his battery pack of energy. You know what, yeah. This competition was gonna make. Yes. I've been listening to 

[00:22:27] Eldar: toy's, rants about fucking losing weight, doing the diet for so long. Yeah. I'm fucking sick and tired of it. I don't wanna fucking hear it anymore.

[00:22:37] So I have a thing against it. Oh, okay. So I'm gonna take this guy and I'm gonna punish him through him. Oh wow. That was, that was where I was going. 

[00:22:44] Katherine: So you had like so many different Yes. So many different, um, horses in the race. Of course. Wow. Of course. So interesting. And 

[00:22:52] Eldar: these are important, you know what I mean?

[00:22:53] Of, so when Mike came in and, and, and threw that little comment and the doubt grew in his head. Oh, it 

[00:22:58] Katherine: instantly, I was like, and it's, it goes off like a bomb. Then I was like, it's not 

[00:23:02] Eldar: Harris's thing. It's actually Mike's thing. Mm-hmm. Right. Okay. That Mike is the one who always shied away from competition and fighting back.

[00:23:09] Mike: Yeah. No, no. But the thing is here we could have teamed up with Mike and did the crazy thing with Harris. No, but that's not, that's not, it's not that the competition. Yeah. Like I was cool when they were the first quaking. Yeah. But what happened was totally came in with a big bark. Yeah. And I know that his energy level.

[00:23:25] I know his bark. Mm-hmm. I've seen him, I've been in competitive situations with him, like Yeah, I've known him for a long time. Yeah. I've seen that side of him. Yeah. I haven't seen that side in Harris. Yeah. So for me, I'm like, yo, you're putting, you feeding this kid to the wolves? I'm like, wait. Yeah, I can't, I can't.

[00:23:40] Yeah. 

[00:23:40] Eldar: Harris though, everybody is understanding, I still, you wait, yo, you understand this or no? If you hear this correctly, I'm the only one. No, I'm the only person that believes in Mother. Well, no, wait, but not only I saying that, make 

[00:23:50] Katherine: sorry, Mike, but not only does that's exactly, that make Harris underdog, but 

[00:23:53] Eldar: he's a big underdog.

[00:23:54] But, 

[00:23:55] Katherine: but Harris also wanted this competition, so I think it would've still been a good lesson anyway. I agree percent. Not even 

[00:24:01] like the stuff that you guys wage, but he asked for it. Yes. So it's like, okay, if he was gonna shit the bet, 

[00:24:06] Eldar: he had to shit the bet 

[00:24:07] Katherine: on a sword and you take it, you know, that was the point.

[00:24:09] I was saying that if 

[00:24:10] Toliy: you, if you're the one opening your mouth and acting in that kind of way, like you, like you have to let that wear your chips. Show us your chips. Yeah. Go all in with your chips and poke and not, you can't say anything. That's it. Yeah. There would've been a lesson, 

[00:24:22] Harris: you know, or in that sense for sure.

[00:24:25] Or 

[00:24:25] Eldar: you shut your mouth and you sit down. Okay. That's it. Yeah. 

[00:24:30] Harris: Okay. 

[00:24:30] Eldar: One or the other. I obviously want Harris to develop character and I think he does have character in order to, he does. He has go and fight. 

[00:24:38] All: Right. The 

[00:24:38] Eldar: Tolles, you know what I mean? All the Eldar is in the world of the world. Of course. You know, I mean, of course.

[00:24:42] Because we ready to challenge, you know what I mean? Yeah. I want Mike to do that same thing. Yeah. Constantly pushing that. But first you have to face yourself. 

[00:24:48] Katherine: Yeah. 

[00:24:49] Eldar: Okay. It's always facing yourself. Fair enough. Just like you, right? Yeah. Today you called me and said, what? Oh, this, that. Oh, oh, yeah. I never have a voice and because I don't have a voice, this is what happens to me.

[00:24:59] You know? No, 

[00:24:59] Katherine: it's funny. 'cause I, I never had one and now that I'm trying to gain one Yeah. It still triggers all of these things in me and all this like Yeah. Almost like anger or, or Yeah. Like resentment that I've held onto because of that. Correct. And it just like really bends me outta shape. 

[00:25:13] All: Yeah. And 

[00:25:14] Katherine: I'm like, it's not even that serious.

[00:25:15] That's right. But I get really upset. Yeah. And I guess, you know, but anyway, I don't wanna make it 

[00:25:20] Eldar: my way. It Yeah. But it is all because of the fact that you don't actually express yourself properly. You don't see certain things through Yeah. In order to benefit from them. And communication 

[00:25:28] Katherine: is part of that too.

[00:25:29] Eldar: Falling on your sword is seeing things through. So the lesson at the end of the sword is finally understood. So Mike robbed Harris from that moment because Harris was standing on something and then he wasn't. 

[00:25:43] Katherine: Yeah. I see that now. 

[00:25:45] Eldar: But we can pick it up because during these types of conversations, we can imagine using, um, imaginations, if that still works, still works in there.

[00:25:52] Harris: No man's dead, his dog dead as a dog 

[00:25:56] Eldar: in order to see and project that, what are we up against? Because this is not the first or the last time that this is gonna happen. This happens all the time. Totally took shit to me all the time. 

[00:26:06] All: Mm-hmm. 

[00:26:06] Eldar: I always have to sometimes pay attention and then challenge him back.

[00:26:10] Harris took shit to everyone here in this room, including Mike. He took shit to mm-hmm. You know what I mean? We have to take it there because that's where Harris's growth is. 

[00:26:21] Katherine: Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, I feel like if it got there, it's probably 'cause it needed to 

[00:26:24] Eldar: a hundred percent. You know, 

[00:26:25] Katherine: and it, it was meant to get there percent.

[00:26:27] And at the end of the day, 

[00:26:27] Eldar: Harris here is, is growing slowly, thicker skin. 

[00:26:31] Katherine: Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. To 

[00:26:32] Eldar: either understand that, look, if I'm gonna talk shit, I better be ready to back it up because these guys are gonna stand on fucking principle. 

[00:26:40] Katherine: If you, if you want, you gotta, if you wanna play, you gotta pay, you gotta pay.

[00:26:43] Mm-hmm. That's the, I told them, you wanna speed, that's the Bermuda thing. Problem. 

[00:26:46] Eldar: Pay $600, go take the DR driving course. Do it. Yeah. But pay the fucking price. Mm-hmm. You wanna play, you gotta pay, you gotta pay. And in, in this environment, every word, every every conclusion is being heard and really listened to.

[00:27:01] All: Yeah. 

[00:27:02] Eldar: And even if it's some things are not being addressed in that moment, they're being accumulated. 

[00:27:07] Katherine: Yeah. 

[00:27:07] Eldar: For a bigger lesson. 

[00:27:08] Katherine: Yeah. That's for sure. 

[00:27:09] Eldar: The longer you stay in this environment, the more likely you be in that hot kitchen, whether you take it or don't. You don't. And 

[00:27:13] Katherine: that's like, that's life. Like, that's just like the rule of life.

[00:27:16] Mm-hmm. That's it. It's gonna teach you. 

[00:27:17] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:27:18] Katherine: Teach 

[00:27:18] Eldar: us life. Maybe teaches it all of a more of a longer period of time. I think we expedite the process here. You love that? That's a nice hit. Mm-hmm. You love, listen, I, I know I'm good. I'm good at what we do here. I know. You know what I mean? And obviously the guys here that I'm surrounded by are all very good at what they do.

[00:27:35] Mm-hmm. They have the compassion, they have the abilities to reason to think and stuff like that. So sometimes maybe. Not see things through, see things through, but adjust and learn from that less from those lessons and do do better next time. Like I, I have, I have everything here mm-hmm. In this environment.

[00:27:52] So for Harris to be able to thrive, she should thrive here. Yeah, totally. This is the environment to be able to thrive, to get to the next level. 

[00:28:00] Katherine: Yeah. 

[00:28:00] Eldar: And I think that totally did a really good job. It's, it's just fair to 

[00:28:03] Katherine: recognize that in order to thrive, there's, there are a lot of falls. There's a lot of muck in there.

[00:28:07] Yeah. Because sometimes when we're in a place of like, I wanna get better. 

[00:28:11] All: Yeah. 

[00:28:11] Katherine: You know, you wanna be hopeful and see it for, you know, you wanna see like the light, but, but in between that there's still a lot of falls and Correct. And this is part of it, you know. Yeah. 

[00:28:19] Toliy: The, the, the part that you can't, well that, I mean, you can, I guess, but it's very hard as you, the paradoxes, as you acquire more information, you naturally know 'em more.

[00:28:29] Katherine: Mm-hmm. Right. 

[00:28:30] Toliy: But the amount that you think, you know, 

[00:28:33] Katherine: that 

[00:28:34] Toliy: you think, you know mm-hmm. Compared to what you actually know is rarely ever like e even. Right. Yeah. Fair enough. So like, it's like, I don't, I don't know, if you want to get into something, you could start reading about it for like two weeks and now you're all excited, like you're telling people about it, like you even heard someone talking about it.

[00:28:51] You almost feel that like you're, like a, uh, like, like a, uh, influencer on this or like that. Mm-hmm. You know, something about this. Right. Yeah. But oftentimes when we're doing that, especially when we like, haven't had that kind of experience in doing it. We get humbled because we don't actually know how much we think we know.

[00:29:09] Mm-hmm. And we always find that out in, in, in that process. Yeah. Because yeah, like if, if you have a desire to do something well, or to thrive, like that's usually a long, um, journey. Yeah. But the person doesn't know that. Like, Hey, it's gonna take me like, I don't know, 20 years to like, learn how to do this properly.

[00:29:27] Yeah. Right. And after year one or six months in, three months in, you feel like you're a 10 year guy already. Yeah. And we're impatient. We don't wanna wait, wait. The 20 years. So like that, that those kind of scenarios ha um, happen. Mm-hmm. Like, like it, it, and he's like one day, like, not, not even 24 hours on the job, 

[00:29:46] Eldar: the bigger lesson here.

[00:29:47] Right. And I think that me and Mike heard it, you probably heard it too during lunch if you paid attention, is the fact that when Harris talked about his dad, right. And the fact that his dad is losing weight using very specific methods. 

[00:29:57] Katherine: Yeah. 

[00:29:58] Eldar: He wants to prove him wrong by using these methods. Yeah, I remember that.

[00:30:01] Right? Mm-hmm. And then rub it in his face. Uh, it's not, not rub it in his face. Okay. Look, look a little bit. 

[00:30:07] All: Yeah. Listen 

[00:30:08] Eldar: a little bit, a little. No, no, no, no. You gotta understand, this is a very important lesson here. And this is for everyone obviously here, right? Because we're working on you. Well, you didn't, you have to keep in mind, 

[00:30:16] Harris: well, didn't, you didn't say the full thing.

[00:30:17] You know why, right? I know. He's talking shit. 

[00:30:21] Eldar: Well, he's talking shit. He's like, Harris, I get it. At the end of the day, I'm explaining this to you right now, that you will lose weight, you'll be, become better when it comes to your physical abilities. You'll look better, you will feel better. However. You cannot weaponize that stuff against the people that used to doubt you.

[00:30:40] You should. No, the thing is, I'm not gonna say use, use the word cannot. You should not weaponize. Right? Mm-hmm. Your quote unquote success. In order to rub it in anybody's face, 

[00:30:52] Katherine: it'll, because yeah. It'll only harm you. 

[00:30:56] Eldar: That is not the lesson that we're trying to learn here. We're trying to make you concentrate on yourself and work on yourself for yourself, not for the fact that you wanna prove the world wrong.

[00:31:07] Oh, I'm doing this for myself. I know, but a lot of times, right, you reference, oh, I'm gonna prove them wrong. Watch. Watch what I'm gonna do. And that's a lot of the times the motivational factor behind the things that we do. 

[00:31:21] Toliy: Yeah. Like say, saying that is like a, like you may believe that at times, but not always, obviously.

[00:31:26] Right? Because like you want prove your dad wrong. Like you wanted to prove me wrong. Well, listen. Right? Like you're challenging. Well, there's a reason. 

[00:31:33] Harris: There's a reason I wanna prove you wrong. Okay. 

[00:31:36] Toliy: Of course, there is just, just like, there's a reason why you wrong going into this. 

[00:31:39] Harris: Yeah. Yeah. Going into this.

[00:31:41] Yeah. You should admit this. You probably won't, but he will. 

[00:31:47] Toliy: He will. He will let you know. Let's see. Come when I 

[00:31:49] Harris: said I wanna change, right? Yeah. I wanna come up with a plan. What was the first thing? Totally. Yeah. Right? Boo. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Boo. You know you don't wanna fucking do this. Yeah. Yeah. You did the same thing my dad did.

[00:32:00] Okay. Yeah. What's gonna change now? What's gonna change now? Yeah. You're a spitting image attitude wise of my dad. 

[00:32:10] Toliy: Then I think that you have no idea who I am. 

[00:32:13] Harris: Yeah. There's a lot of things Totally does. That reminds me of my dad. 

[00:32:17] Mike: Yeah, sure. Yeah. The misinterpret interpretation is a normal phenomenon. It is, yeah.

[00:32:24] It is a normal phenomenon. I'm not saying everything about you is 

[00:32:27] Harris: my dad. It's proper. It's, I'm not saying everything about you is my dad, but there's a lot of things that are Yeah, that, 

[00:32:33] Toliy: that, that d like what? Like the two, the, the snares that you're outlining are, are like not even close, like, like in my eyes.

[00:32:42] Eldar: And that's him being a little bit arrogant when it comes to like, knowing who your dad is. He hasn't met your dad obviously, but I think he's shooting in the right direction.

[00:32:53] Harris: But are you gonna stop staring at my crotch? No one's staring at your crotch. You know, you wish. Alright. I was, man. All right. That's fine. But uh, yeah. You know, my dad said some words, you know, like he knows best and all this stuff, which I know, which obviously he doesn't. 

[00:33:09] Eldar: I know you gotta understand what's happening.

[00:33:11] And I explained this 

[00:33:11] Harris: to you before I had this idea before anyone fucking says, no you can't. Right. It just put more fuel on the fire. There you [00:33:20] go. And put more fuel on the fire. Yeah. Because I didn't tell my dad I was coming up with this plan. Yeah. Until I came home. With an actual scale. 

[00:33:27] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[00:33:28] Harris: And he looked at me like I had five heads.

[00:33:30] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[00:33:32] Harris: You know, and, uh, then I come home from working out. 

[00:33:35] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:33:35] Harris: He goes, what's going on? Yeah. You know, and I try to explain it to him. He goes, that's, that's not gonna work. Mm-hmm. He goes, you know, 'cause you're still eating, you know, shitty foods. 

[00:33:46] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[00:33:47] Harris: And I'm like, no, it's all about proportions. He goes, no, no.

[00:33:50] You need to go straight vegetables. Just eat all vegetables. You can eat as much as you want. Yeah. You know, and that's how you lose the weight. 

[00:33:55] Mike: Yeah. You can't eat as much as you want. If you, if you don't eat your vegetables, you just swallow them. That still doesn't apply for vegetables. But this is, 

[00:34:02] Harris: this is his mindset.

[00:34:05] Yeah. You know, and he's like, it's not gonna happen. I wish you the best of luck, good luck, but it's not gonna work. So tie that back to tolli. Tie it back to Toley. Well, yeah. You were trying to make a point when I first started coming in, right? Yeah. Right. I'm like, yeah, I want to change, you know, this and this.

[00:34:21] He goes, oh yeah, I've heard that before. You know? Yeah. And it's like, you know, I felt like, you know, this guy, you know, he didn't even wanna give me, I don't wanna say benefit of the doubt. Yeah. Or chance. 

[00:34:32] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:34:32] Harris: You know, that's what I felt when he did that. You know, I was sick and tired of getting sick, you know?

[00:34:38] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:34:40] Harris: My health is deteriorating. I started to see it. Yeah. And, you know, coming in after getting sick and explaining, you know, trying to tell him I wanna do this. Yeah. I felt no faith, you know? Mm-hmm. Now that I'm doing it, I was like, okay, you know what? Now what? Now, 

[00:34:55] motherfucker. 

[00:34:56] Yeah. Yeah. He saw me at the, at the track stalking me in his white Tesla.

[00:35:04] Mm-hmm. And I, I thought, you know, you know, like I'm doing it. Hm. You know, and I had to make a point. 

[00:35:15] Mike: Yeah. The thing is the people like, like, uh, this is gonna tie into what we're talking about earlier. 

[00:35:20] Katherine: Yeah. 

[00:35:20] Mike: Why do people need to announce it? The thing is, people who have very low self-belief and low self-esteem 

[00:35:25] Katherine: mm-hmm.

[00:35:26] Mike: Um, they, they need announce, I need to make announcements, I think. Mm-hmm. This is like, I'm just, you know, thinking now. Yeah. Because based on what he said, because we don't believe in ourselves enough. Yeah. And we, we need the support. So anytime there's a person like, what Tolis doing, and I understand what Tolis doing, we automatically shut down and we're, because we're already in a very low place.

[00:35:48] Yeah. And we're trying to come up just to reach the baseline to have some like, uh, faith in ourselves. 

[00:35:53] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:35:54] Mike: And when we're met with that, yeah. Right. Okay. It's, it's very, um, what 

[00:35:58] Eldar: should we be met with? 

[00:36:00] Mike: I'm not talking about that. 

[00:36:01] Eldar: I'm just explaining the psych. I know psychology behind it. I, I agree with you.

[00:36:05] Yeah. I want you, I want, I'm curious. Mm-hmm. What do you think? That's the next question. This topic, right? Mm-hmm. What should we be met with? Met with? 

[00:36:12] Mike: I mean, I have to think about it. I don't know. I'm not saying that the totally approach is wrong. Um, I'm not, okay. How about we ask the subject, 

[00:36:20] Eldar: your subject, what should you be met with?

[00:36:24] What do you mean? When you come to Toll and you say, Hey, I'm gonna try to lose weight, I'm gonna do this, I wanna do the 

[00:36:29] Harris: plan, right? 

[00:36:30] Eldar: Yeah. What should you be met with? What should toll say to you? I don't know. I can't, you know. Well, well, you 

[00:36:39] Harris: clearly don't like what he's saying now. Well, yeah. I felt like everyone, I was like, oh, all right, let's give it a shot.

[00:36:44] Yeah. This guy, well, I felt like he automatically, you know, shut the whole thing down. 

[00:36:49] Eldar: Okay. 

[00:36:52] Harris: Do you need that in your life? What? Someone shutting it down? Yeah. Yeah. That's the question. I don't know. Try to, 

[00:37:00] Eldar: try to think about it objectively. Is it 

[00:37:01] Harris: important role that toy's playing? 

[00:37:03] Toliy: And, and, and in that scenario, is he trying to give 

[00:37:05] Harris: more fuel to the fire?

[00:37:06] Like, what is he trying to do? I don't know. I can't speak for him. Well, 

[00:37:09] Toliy: well, like, uh, outside of that, for, for example, who is actually being more dis disrespectful in that moment that Harris is talking about? 

[00:37:19] Harris: Harris totally is gonna say, no, no, no. I know what you're leaning, right? Because wait, wait, 

[00:37:25] Toliy: wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[00:37:25] He said I'm being disrespectful, right? Mm-hmm. Not giving him a chance, not giving him the benefit of the doubt. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He's saying I'm being disrespectful, right? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, so I'm asking you guys mm-hmm. Who is actually being disrespectful in the moment. 

[00:37:38] Eldar: I can do this very easily, but I'm gonna give you a shot.

[00:37:44] Harris: No, I'm gonna let you go ahead and do it, man. All right. Fine. 

[00:37:47] Eldar: Alright. I remember when DJ was here. 

[00:37:50] Harris: Yeah. 

[00:37:50] Eldar: And I asked him, Hey, dj, like he was kept announcing like, Hey, I'm coming tomorrow. I'll be here, I'll do the work, yada, yada, yada, yada. I'm saying, dj, why are you announcing this?

[00:38:04] What do you think he said? I don't know. Dunno, 

[00:38:08] what do you think he should say?

[00:38:13] Harris: Why are people making these in announcements? It wasn't an announcement. It was me coming forward, like, I'd like help getting started with, 

[00:38:22] Eldar: I'm not sure if you came and said, Hey, I need help with coming with a plan. I think you would've gotten a different response from him. 

[00:38:29] Harris: What do you mean? I thought everyone knew.

[00:38:31] 'cause I, no, I'm saying that I had a conversation with you while I was sick. Did I not? Yeah, yeah. You did. Like, I wanted to change and totally was overheard hearing that conversation. Mm-hmm. And I will remember this, right? Mm-hmm. Because I remember hearing his, uh, you know, like his chuckle. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And when I came back and you said, mm-hmm.

[00:38:53] When you get back, let's see if you remember. Mm-hmm. 

[00:38:56] Katherine: Yeah. 

[00:38:56] Harris: If you, you're still on this. Yeah. And I came back. Yeah. And I was still on it. Yeah. You were 

[00:39:02] Toliy: now was a disre disrespectful elder to say that. 

[00:39:05] Harris: What? 

[00:39:06] Toliy: To, to say that to begin with. 

[00:39:08] Harris: What do you mean? If you were still with without energy? No, because I had a memory lapse, but I came back.

[00:39:14] Mm-hmm. And I think it should have been perceived in a different direction. 'cause hey, he, he does remember, hey, he really wants to do this. Well, I'm good with this. Right? I'm mm-hmm. Exonerated from this. Yeah. Because 

[00:39:26] Eldar: I continue to be Yeah. Taking you seriously. It's not that, 

[00:39:29] Harris: it's not you taking me seriously.

[00:39:30] You're giving me a shot, man. Okay. You know? Yeah, totally. I guess, you know, didn't wanna give another shot 'cause we've been down this, that I wanted to lose weight and all this shit. Yeah. That 

[00:39:40] Toliy: fir first off to say that I didn't want to give you a, give you a shot in anything. It begin with to me is, is absolutely crazy.

[00:39:47] Harris: Well, well, let's put it this way. Why, why did you jump to the conclusion like, 

[00:39:52] Toliy: well, fir first off my, my question that I answered 

[00:39:55] Harris: mm-hmm. 

[00:39:55] Toliy: Who was being disrespectful 

[00:39:57] Harris: by coming to you and saying, Hey, 

[00:39:59] Toliy: no, no, no, no, no. What? No, you said I was being disrespectful. 

[00:40:04] Harris: What is she eating? Is that the,

[00:40:09] when did I say, when did the word disrespectful come into my mouth? I don't remember. I don't think I, 

[00:40:16] Toliy: you said, you said I was being disrespectful because I, uh, um, I'm ruling you out. I'm not giving you a chance. Um, no. What I, I said when I came, came not, not giving you a shot, not believing in you. Stuff like that.

[00:40:29] When, when you're, when, when you're talking about this plan, right? Mm-hmm. And first off, this was before we had a plan iron out. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Right. You were saying that like, Hey, he doesn't believe in me. He's like, you, you, you were depicting me as a bad person because here, here you are, this like innocent young cucumber.

[00:40:47] Harris: What the hell man? 

[00:40:48] Toliy: Prancing through the innocent forest, right? Does that have some, does have sunflower, sun. Yeah. Sunflowers everywhere. You're, you're like, um, um, this guy who keeps his word, who usually does what he said he is gonna do, right? Like, but stuff like that. And, and, and then here I am this bad person who's saying that for first.

[00:41:09] That's not, I'm not saying that. My question, my question was like, it, like, when the person is, is saying that like, you can't, like, nah, man, come on. Like, forget about it. Or like, whatever. Fir, fir first off, in general, I am, I'm, I'm definitely trolling and, and joking 99.9% of the time. Second off, I think it's very valuable to someone that repetitive, repeatedly including myself, um, when I do it, talk, talk outta my ass to be challenged, right?

[00:41:38] Mm-hmm. Because if you're not, then the, then, like you have a bunch of yes. People around you, first off and a bunch of people pleasers, right? If they're not going to, to challenge you, if you repeatedly talk outta your ass, right? And they should take you less and less ser serious based on your actions, or they should take you more and more serious based on your actions as well, right?

[00:42:01] Well, so, so, um, in that process. For you to, for based on what, what, what happened. Right. Um, I think it was very disrespectful, uh, for someone like Harris to say that, Hey, like I'm, I'm being the bad person for ruling out the person that constantly talks outta his ass that constantly says he is gonna do something and not do it.

[00:42:23] Yeah. He's a disrespectful one for, for, for being upset with me. He should say, Hey, totally. We talked about this on the walk. Yeah. Mm-hmm. He should say, Hey, Toley, you're right. 

[00:42:34] Harris: Well, the way I was coming about 

[00:42:35] Toliy: it, right. You know, I thought, not that I'm the bad, I'm not the bad person here. Do you see his side?

[00:42:39] I see his, where he is coming from. Right. The the what? I came in, keep 

[00:42:42] Eldar: lying to him. What? We keep talking shit. And he, he keeps seeing that the fact that you're not a serious person. Yeah. 

[00:42:47] Toliy: And you, and in those moments, you getting, I 

[00:42:49] Harris: told you when I was sick, right? Mm-hmm. I realized that if I don't change something to You did this before.

[00:42:56] Yeah. You've been saying this. No, but I've noticed that the cough has not gone away. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But 

[00:43:00] Toliy: it's always gonna be the excuse of, oh, it's different this time it's different. No, that time was different. 

[00:43:05] Harris: My health Yeah. Has been deteriorating. Yeah. Beyond times before. Yeah. You get, you get used to it too.

[00:43:13] What, man? You get used to this as well. Yeah. I'm not planning on getting used to it, man. I hope so. 

[00:43:17] Toliy: I hope that you have and his other being mean by saying that to begin with. 

[00:43:20] Harris: Yeah. Fuck you man. Fucked 

[00:43:22] Toliy: up. No, 

[00:43:24] Harris: what I'm saying is, you know, yeah. You know, I felt like, you know, he didn't wanna give it a go, you know, he didn't wanna go through this again.

[00:43:32] He didn't wanna give it another shot, let him let him go down the tunnel. Which, 

[00:43:35] Toliy: which is like, again, if, if further shows that, that, that, that you have no idea who I am at all. Well, you're 

[00:43:40] Harris: very hard to read and we understand this. No, for you, baby. 

[00:43:42] Toliy: And I think that's okay. Yeah, 

[00:43:45] Harris: I think that's okay. I think it's supposed to be like, you want a one-on-one man.

[00:43:47] You wanna, you wanna get to know each other, like, what do you 

[00:43:51] Eldar: No, no, I don't. I 

[00:43:52] Toliy: punish you now. 

[00:43:52] Harris: Oh, good man. Yeah. 

[00:43:53] Toliy: I think you 

[00:43:54] Eldar: want the one-on-one. 

[00:43:55] Harris: I don't want the one-on-one man. I think you want the one-on-one. Yeah. For what? You don't totally doesn't wanna be one-on-one with me, man. You think 

[00:44:05] Eldar: this works here?

[00:44:06] What? You think this works here? Like the begging part? I'm, we'll do the begging part. No, he really does want a one-on-one with you. I don't want, can't you see it? No, 

[00:44:12] Harris: he wa he wants to punish now, man. He, he's in that movie. Boy. 

[00:44:16] Eldar: I could play that part. Which, what do you want? I don't want that. No, you, yes 

[00:44:19] Harris: you do.

[00:44:19] I don't want No, no, no. But the way you structure the question, the way you structure the questions, what you're looking for. I don't want that, bro. Other, I'm not trying to do no fucking p party, man. Do 

[00:44:27] Toliy: do, do me a favor. Can you buy a furry wand? 

[00:44:31] Harris: Are you done, 

[00:44:31] Toliy: man? Yeah. Well tick, yeah. Something to pet him.

[00:44:33] Like what, what's that like peacock feather thing or what, what's that thing that like, it makes you, uh, ticklish. You know, are you done Man, 

[00:44:39] Harris: look, you see where we headed with this or. I see wear. You're Hit him with this. Is this good or no? I don't know what it is, man. Really? Yeah. You completely naked? I'm naked, man.

[00:44:51] Wow. Naked and a friend. You are, you Are you afraid?

[00:44:58] Mike: Why did I get the finger? Man? I've been silent for 10 minutes. Yes, that, that's problem, man. My cat too. Yeah, 

[00:45:03] Harris: that's a problem, man. Oh, cat was left out of the finger. Yeah. Thank 

[00:45:07] Eldar: you. At least you on you on good terms. Yeah. Appreciate it. 

[00:45:09] Harris: No one's on bad terms. It's more like I know. I 

[00:45:12] Eldar: know. Look, I think that at the end of the day you're developing a little bit more of a thick skin, like I said, through these experiences.

[00:45:18] And I think that you'll be getting to know each other. 

[00:45:21] Harris: Not like that, man. Stop giving those eyes, man. 

[00:45:24] Eldar: Fine. So Mike, what 

[00:45:27] Mike: do you think about, about everything? Well, I think it's very interesting. It's interesting. It's very interesting. The dynamics are very interesting. Well, the dynamic's interesting, but I think it's supposed to be like that.

[00:45:37] Eldar: Yeah. And I think that the more we cultivate these types of moments and have the ability, then we're gonna be able to either, number one, quit. Mm-hmm. Quit. I ain't quitting it. No, I ain't quitting, boy. Okay. Or right. Mm-hmm. You find, you find the language, you find the structure of words. Mm-hmm. You find the structure of behaviors mm-hmm.

[00:45:58] That actually tunes you in, into knowing who you are, who the other people are, and try to get what you want out of life versus not. 

[00:46:06] Mike: Yeah. But the thing is like, um, that's it. Like I understand where totally is coming from. Yeah. I understand the approach and I, I, I agree with it. 

[00:46:13] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:46:14] Mike: Um, but I can't like say like the, the initial thought or what I was about to say does, it's, it's not, it's like, uh, I don't know the other way to get there to where he's gonna bring him and I'm not sure if there's another way to get there.

[00:46:30] Eldar: So you're praising totally. 

[00:46:31] Mike: I already praised Totally, 

[00:46:32] Eldar: yeah. Last 

[00:46:33] Mike: time. Yeah. So yeah, I do. I I do. And I, I do the thing. I just, I didn't think about it, but I'm not sure there's another way to get there. 

[00:46:39] Harris: You hear this? I don't hear nothing, man. Uh, 

[00:46:42] Mike: I said it like, uh, a few podcasts ago and then a few pos before that.

[00:46:47] The faster your dirtiness comes out Yeah. The better. And totally has that ability. He has 

[00:46:53] Harris: the special, so, well, I know he's the bad cop, right? He, he's supposed to be the one that challenges everything. Yeah. But the thing is, 

[00:46:58] Mike: he's not actually the bad cop. Yeah. 

[00:47:01] Harris: He's the professor. Snap, remember? But 

[00:47:02] Mike: you forget about it.

[00:47:03] Yeah. He's, he is playing the bad cop. Yeah. So that we can get your dirtiness out as fast as possible. 

[00:47:08] Harris: So did you wanna do the plan or did you, were you putting on a front? What 

[00:47:13] Mike: are you done? I'm asking. He, he did do the plan. What do you mean? He, in doing the plan? In the beginning. 

[00:47:20] Harris: In the beginning. 

[00:47:21] Toliy: Why would he not?

[00:47:21] They actually gave me a big bonus. He said If I track your sleep, he's gonna. Increase my pay by 

[00:47:27] Harris: you gonna get a ladder and take fake through my window. The thing is, yeah. The question 

[00:47:30] Mike: is, yeah. Is there a a way to get the person to believe in themselves Yeah. Faster without being challenged in the way that Totally challenges.

[00:47:39] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:47:40] Mike: Or what's, is there another way to get, because that's the problem. Well, the person's not belief in themselves. They go around spreading this fake news. No, it's the 

[00:47:46] Toliy: opposite. Hmm. They have the upmost belief in themselves. Yes. That's the problem. Yes. That's the problem. No, you gotta understand that.

[00:47:53] That's not the truth, Mike. You gotta understand that. No, for 

[00:47:55] Eldar: them, it's the truth that you have to understand that toy's ability to cut to the chase, right. Brings out what you actually are and what you actually believe in, what your values are. Right? And then the challenge is like, oh shit, that's who I am.

[00:48:13] Do I want to be That totally has the ability to challenge to the, to that point, to that threshold of like, wait, what the fuck's happened? This feels, this doesn't feel good. If it doesn't feel good, what do I do? The door's right there, you can always leave. You are volunteering in here, right? You volunteer, you're getting paid for this.

[00:48:36] Right? So, so if it, if it's, if it's really ego and pride that needs to preserve itself, the door is always open, ego and pride go home is the person who's behind the wheel and that person Oh. That, that's the difference. The difference between, um, a conscious ability to make choices and not Yeah. Is the kicker here.

[00:48:58] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:48:59] Eldar: I always bet, I always bet on the fact that the motherfuckers will choose the conscious ability to make choices to get better. That's the, 

[00:49:05] Mike: that's the problem. The, when the eagle's in the driver's seat Yeah. The person who's conscious does not have a choice in the matter. Sure. 

[00:49:13] Eldar: But nonetheless, that is also a, the person who's unconscious.

[00:49:17] Yeah. It's like when you, it's no, but that, that moment in time is temporary, but only up, but the other way too. No. Yes. Temporary. Only up until the point where you wanna stand on it long enough to learn a lesson. But, but that's like, to me it seems like it's advanced. It is. It's like, I think that ego, uhhuh ego, right?

[00:49:38] Mm-hmm. If, if it's really big and bad mm-hmm. Will require a, an advanced on ego. Mm-hmm. And pride. 

[00:49:46] Toliy: Yeah. It's to get rid of it, because the ego is so advanced that you don't even know what's going on. 

[00:49:50] Eldar: Yeah, yeah. No, I agree. It's fucking you left and right all the time. A hundred percent. Yeah. And, but 

[00:49:56] Mike: Harris doesn't listen to anything we said, so it's 

[00:49:57] Eldar: probably premature.

[00:49:59] She's, I don't think the [00:50:00] Harris that supposed to be listening is listening and the person that's actually listening is listening. 

[00:50:04] Harris: Mm-hmm. 

[00:50:05] Eldar: Are you right now, the Eagle 

[00:50:06] Mike: Harris or the Humble Harris? 

[00:50:08] Harris: I'm the D's nuts Harris. Yeah. Either the dummy. Yeah. You 

[00:50:15] Eldar: know, time will tell, time will tell, because the gauntlet is the gauntlet, right.

[00:50:22] For the ego and pride and stuff like that. Mm-hmm. We have an acute attention to these things. Mm-hmm. So we are able to navigate and set up little traps where the, you know, we're gonna see whether or not he's gonna be able to persevere and do the right thing for himself. Right. I think even today's thing where Yeah, sure.

[00:50:39] He went into his little shell mm-hmm. Of fuck you and all this other fucking Yeah. Things that he's trying to intimidate us with or whatever it is. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. To prove a point. But I think he bounced back relatively faster than he usually does. Mm-hmm. Um, yeah. If I was to measure it, 

[00:50:55] Mike: I thought he was leaving today.

[00:50:56] I don't think he was staying for the podcast. I thought the plan was dead. Yeah. I was about to start working on the spreadsheet. I was like, you know what? Fuck that think is dead. It's, 

[00:51:02] Toliy: but it's also accelerated based on the way that you, you bring it out. 

[00:51:06] Eldar: A hundred percent. I bet. And I think obviously that's why we totally talked about our previous podcast, that the Nurture nature debate here is a very interesting one.

[00:51:13] Mm-hmm. Because the nature is one thing, but the nurturing of this whole process. Sure. He's coming with a baggage claim. Mm-hmm. But we have the ability to tend to it in a very specific point. Yeah. It's 

[00:51:25] Toliy: two people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a room full of people. And you have one person who's like. Putting on a mask and trying to pretend that everyone around you knows that you're pretending and you know that you're pretending.

[00:51:34] Yeah. That game. Like you can't play that game. Yeah. Like it's not gonna be, 

[00:51:38] Eldar: how'd you like my shotgun joke? It was wonderful, man. You like it cut to the chase, right? I got one right 

[00:51:43] Harris: now, 

[00:51:43] Eldar: man. Put one right here. Right here. Just make sure you ain't properly, man. 

[00:51:46] Harris: You know? Yeah. You wanna end up like the guy from Nebraska, man.

[00:51:50] Of course. 

[00:51:52] Toliy: Penalty. I think you're scared Tara with those jokes though. 

[00:51:54] Harris: Hmm. Yeah. 

[00:51:56] Toliy: Why did you watch her reactions today? Why did you watch? No, I just hear when you say this kind of stuff and then, and, and then, then like she's like frozen, you know? Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent sick. There's like, why don't you bring a shotgun to work on Monday?

[00:52:08] Harris? Yeah. Like scare place up. Yeah. Yeah. Someone else listening like, what the fuck? 

[00:52:14] Harris: Jar's probably gonna go call the F FBI hotline tonight, man. Like, yo 

[00:52:19] Toliy: wacko to go 

[00:52:20] bring a fucking shotgun. 

[00:52:21] Harris: Like, 

[00:52:21] Toliy: you know, 

[00:52:22] Harris: jar's gonna call the FBI hotline tonight and be like, yo, yeah. 

[00:52:28] Eldar: All right. We got here from the sword part, right?

[00:52:31] Mm-hmm. Allowing people to die on their sword. Mm-hmm. Because I think the sword, right? I think that that phrase alone is like, oh, sword. What's the sword? Clearly a person's carrying a sword and they're really like attached to the sword that it's so important to them that they have to die for it or die on it, you know?

[00:52:47] Mm-hmm. And the saying is for the fact that like, if you die on it, right, it's not really dying on it, quote unquote, it's, you have to see things through. Mm-hmm. So you can finally let go of the sword and say, you know what? What the fuck am I holding onto the sword? Mm-hmm. For this ego and pride that I have, you know?

[00:53:04] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[00:53:04] Eldar: It's not worth it. Yeah. It's not worth to die. To die for it, you know what I mean? Because it's irrelevant, it's stupid. Mm-hmm. How do I feel right now? Right. And obviously anytime he, shes up, how does he feel? Mm-hmm. He couldn't fucking speak. Mm-hmm. 

[00:53:18] Mike: Yeah. He was boiling inside. He probably took five years of his life with that.

[00:53:21] That's right. Exactly. Good, 

[00:53:22] Eldar: right? 

[00:53:23] All: Yeah. Good, 

[00:53:24] Harris: good. Yeah. We don't give a fuck. I'll get a bag, boy. Huh? I'll get a bag. Get what 

[00:53:31] Eldar: bag? Oh 

[00:53:31] Harris: yeah, yeah. You're trying to do that. Okay. 

[00:53:33] Eldar: Yeah. You know, so seeing these types things through and dying on your shield or your sword, right. If the sword is full of ego and pride mm-hmm.

[00:53:43] It's a good lesson, you know, it's a necessary lesson for development. 

[00:53:48] All: Oh yeah. 

[00:53:49] Eldar: In order to finally pass through and say, you know what, what am I doing here? Who do I want to be? It's a, it comes down to a choice, right? Who do you want to be? Do you want to be a revengeful person who's trying to just do everything for revenge purposes and prove people wrong?

[00:54:06] Or do you want to do it for yourself? 

[00:54:08] Harris: It started out for myself and then through Flame on the fire, like people, you know? 

[00:54:14] Mike: Yeah. The thing is, it's hard it, the way, the question has a very hard one because again, the person, he's not playing with a full deck. Well, yeah. I don't want, well, well, I mean, the person has a, the baseline of what they think about themselves already very low.

[00:54:30] Eldar: Yes. 

[00:54:31] Mike: Yes. What if you get him in to get a, like a, in like a calm down man, in an intimate moment where he is gonna be completely honest. Mm-hmm. And how he, what he thinks about himself, what people generally think about themselves. Yeah. No, but why, 

[00:54:43] Toliy: why does that, why does that person then also bark? 

[00:54:47] Eldar: Well, yeah, I mean, the reason why they bark is because that's what they made out of.

[00:54:53] Toliy: Well, no, well, well, no, I'm asking like if they think very low himself, someone who's like super low self-esteem. Mm-hmm. Like, you know, this, this, that. Why do they also try to challenge and try to bark? 

[00:55:03] Mike: Well, because that's what people do. This is normal phenomen, but they're sick. Sure. But 

[00:55:06] Eldar: I'm asking like, why is this happening?

[00:55:08] Oh, why the two exist? Within, within itself. Yeah. Because the two don't exist within themselves. It's two different mo moments. 

[00:55:14] Toliy: Like a 

[00:55:15] Eldar: Yeah. Two different in the moment. You think in the 

[00:55:17] Toliy: moment. That's what I'm saying though, is, is also like, for, for example, like, like you're, you're saying it that, um, that like, like the person's doing this because they're very like, uh, I don't know, like low.

[00:55:29] But then like Yeah. But 

[00:55:29] Eldar: that's why the easiest comeback is like, uh, if if somebody tells you, oh, you're fat, you go look at you. Yeah. Yeah. That's the easiest comeback. Yeah. From that kind of stuff. So it's like, this is what it is. No, no. Nobody, nobody sees doing it. Nobody sees themselves 

[00:55:47] Mike: as they're doing it because there's something that keeps it at bay from them actually really believing into themselves and saying it.

[00:55:54] Nobody goes in front of the mirror and says all the things that they actually think about themselves. But deep down those moments, you know, when you have like the down moments and you're like, damn, I'm a piece of shit, or Damn, I'm fat, or Damn, I'm this, or damn I'm that, or what's the, what do you do right away?

[00:56:12] You think about something else. You change the subject in your mind. We all have that ability. 

[00:56:17] Katherine: Yeah. 

[00:56:17] Mike: To change the subject mind, to preserve ourselves. To preserve ourselves. Okay. Yeah. And you 

[00:56:22] Eldar: don't wanna put that into the world. What do you wanna put that into the world, obviously, right? Yeah. You wanna be this confident cool.

[00:56:27] Yeah. Funny guy, but it's also, he's also a little bit nasty. 

[00:56:31] Mike: Yeah. So that's, that's why it happens because nobody fully, uh, has a mirror that they actually look at and see what it is they're hiding. Then we've became very good at hiding who we are from ourselves. 

[00:56:43] Toliy: Yeah. But then I feel like we can't like, um, then like, like feel bad for those people too at those times.

[00:56:50] Eldar: Correct. 

[00:56:50] Toliy: Like if mm-hmm. If they're gonna like, like if they're gonna have like the cop out of like, well, like that's them in some moments, but not all moments. Mm-hmm. I feel like, um, like. Yeah. Like they need to be held accountable, you know? 

[00:57:04] Eldar: Well, and I think that's what transpired today. Yeah. I think you try to do that.

[00:57:08] Mm-hmm. You're trying to hold a very specific person accountable that is still, is alive and well and thriving in Harris's body and mind. 

[00:57:15] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[00:57:16] Eldar: Yeah. Until he becomes nice. That's why our, our constant reminder for Harris is to be nice. 

[00:57:22] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:57:23] Eldar: There's a reason why we say that. Mm-hmm. Right. Course is to be nice and totally is obviously paying attention is also saying like, Hey, I know when you're this or I know when you're that.

[00:57:31] Mm-hmm. I know when Harris is nice. Mm-hmm. 

[00:57:33] Katherine: And 

[00:57:33] Eldar: I know when Harris is not. Mm-hmm. Nice. You know what I mean? I just think that Harris Right. Um, the way he learns at this moment, this probably needs to be reminded that, uh, if you are ready not to be nice, we are ready to not to be nice as well. And I don't think that that ever can be matched properly.

[00:57:51] Mike: Yeah. Oh, he was very nice 

[00:57:52] Eldar: yesterday night. 

[00:57:53] Yeah. You know what I mean? 

[00:57:58] Mike: Bad attitude. You shit bad. What I talk about on air man. 

[00:58:02] Toliy: Whatcha talking about Yeah. You might even have a worse attitude today because you can't eat anymore. 

[00:58:06] Mike: Oh. You better go fucking scarf down that fucking 30 past seven. 

[00:58:10] Eldar: Too 

[00:58:10] Toliy: late. 

[00:58:11] Eldar: That pump.

[00:58:13] I, I have a serious question to ask about this. Yeah. Um, and I know it's probably gonna be a guess. Mm-hmm. That's not gonna be like a professional opinion. Obviously you're not a doctor. 

[00:58:24] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[00:58:25] Eldar: Gimme a wild guesstimate of how much Crispy's come weighs. What the fuck? You 

[00:58:33] Toliy: six outta a bed. He's allowed to drink.

[00:58:35] He's has a lot to drink, so you can, you guys are continue to swallow. You guys are sick, man. That the fuck? 

[00:58:41] Harris: Was that a good, you guys are sick, man. Wild. That was a good punchline. Know. 

[00:58:47] Toliy: That was weird. I did not think it was you guys stay, that 

[00:58:53] Mike: means that means I did. Again, I skip 

[00:58:54] Katherine: today and I was just like, 

[00:58:56] Mike: that was a good setup.

[00:58:57] No. Where that was a crazy setup, but I think it might be the booze sauce. Are you guys serious? You did say, you did say you had too many. He's 

[00:59:07] Harris: gonna, no, hold on, hold on, hold on. Follow tonight. I Mexican wildes or not, you know, like 

[00:59:13] Mike: he can do it. You can do it. Go ahead. 

[00:59:15] Harris: Yo. Yo, man, I wanna remind you, eat pineapple.

[00:59:20] Yeah. I wanna remind you. So you smell of, I wanna remind you that we talked about yesterday, man, that you know, you're getting to an older age, man. Yes. You're having a hard time holding, you lick down, you know? Yes, yes, 

[00:59:30] Eldar: yes, yes. Okay. For sure. Yeah. Listen, you guys got caught off guard. This was very good. I thought I needed a little bit of shock value here, so to wake you guys up and I did.

[00:59:40] Mike: Yeah. No, I don't think we should feel, uh, feel bad for them. Mm-hmm. But the thing is, it was what transpired wasn't me feeling bad for him. It was my, uh, my own feeling bad for myself. Like the, and, and the whole thing. So then I lost sight of what was actually happening. 

[00:59:55] Eldar: I, yeah, I, yeah, a lot of times totally says that.

[00:59:57] Yeah, you take it easy. You take it easy. You take it easy, right? And I have reasons of why I took it easy, right? Mm-hmm. Um. That time when we had a conversation with James, meet us three, always like, yo, you, you hit him over the head with the hammer. Yeah. I'm like, well, I It's due. Yeah. It's due. Mm-hmm. I have a due date Yeah.

[01:00:14] For the hammers. Yeah. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Uh, sometimes you gotta take it easy. Sometimes you gotta hit 'em over the head with the hammer. Yeah. When the lesson is needed, the lesson is needed. I can't, you know, not do that. Mm-hmm. I think it's very important. It is. Yeah. For the growth and development.

[01:00:27] Mm-hmm. Otherwise I'm not having an honest conversation and why would I set myself up for that? Mm-hmm. You know? 

[01:00:32] Toliy: Yeah. So,

[01:00:36] Eldar: yeah. 

[01:00:37] Toliy: Yeah. Like one, um, one, uh, I dunno if it's like a completely different topic or like a side sidetracked. It's always like, I mean, it's been on my mind in general for a, for a long time, but especially the last like, um, like, I dunno, month or so, a, a way to preserve your consciousness, right? Like your, that's El Musk shit.

[01:00:59] Mike: Awareness, consciousness, or conscious state of mind being Yeah. 

[01:01:02] Toliy: Yeah. Like conscious, like state of mind, right? Mm-hmm. Okay. 'cause like, for example, right? Like we could all sit here and believe in something. 

[01:01:10] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:01:10] Toliy: Right? 

[01:01:11] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:01:11] Toliy: But if we're not conscious, 

[01:01:12] Eldar: yeah. 

[01:01:13] Toliy: Because we haven't probably programmed our sub subconscious yet.

[01:01:16] Yes. We'll not act out of that belief. 

[01:01:17] Eldar: I'm gonna tell you right now. I'll give you a quick answer. Ready? 

[01:01:19] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:01:20] Eldar: Always find the fun in that. If you do, it'll be automatic. 

[01:01:27] Toliy: It 

[01:01:27] Eldar: has to be fun. What you're trying to preserve, the conscious ability to stay conscious in the moments throughout your day. 

[01:01:35] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:01:36] Eldar: If you include humor and fun in them, it'll be extremely easy.

[01:01:41] Yeah. But that's like 

[01:01:42] Mike: a Okay. Is that a, so 

[01:01:44] Eldar: the call for action is what? Troll more. Mm-hmm. Right. Without what he's doing. Right. I said to Terrace. Mm-hmm. He was good. He took some shit to totally for, for quite some time. Hey, you know, like, yeah. Say this stuff. Say that stuff. We had fun. Yeah. Right up until that threshold hits the, the agro part.

[01:02:01] Mm-hmm. The angry part. Do all that all you want. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Do it. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But, but, um, um, and if you can preserve that mm-hmm. And do it for long, I mean, you don't need to preserve that. Fuck that. If you have the ability to do that for long periods of time mm-hmm. You're gonna get stuck on it.

[01:02:20] It's not, it doesn't need in your, how you get 

[01:02:22] Mike: the ability to do that. 

[01:02:23] Eldar: I mean, you should seek that and you should, I mean, gravitate towards that and you should keep trying that, you know? Mm. And how do you do it? Through linguistics, through language. We're constantly talking. We're constantly structuring words and such.

[01:02:36] But, 

[01:02:36] Mike: but the thing is, can you do that if you're not, um, you're not like in, um, in ability to be in the present moment. We're in the present moment right now. Yeah. What's 

[01:02:48] Eldar: stopping you from remembering this? 

[01:02:50] Mike: Uh, when you come outside? Mm-hmm. And you want to think about something like what? Some other problems, some stressors.

[01:02:56] Yeah. Uh, things you have to do with things you don't wanna do. Yeah. Yeah. You're not thinking about having fun. 

[01:03:00] Eldar: Yeah. Because of the fact that you've never thought about those things in this matter. 

[01:03:05] Mike: So you're saying, so you're saying there's a way to go around it? Yeah. 

[01:03:09] Eldar: Mm. Okay. There is a way. There is a way.

[01:03:11] Mike: Okay. 

[01:03:12] Toliy: Yeah. My, my, my question around it was that like, like is the ability to be conscious in more and more moments? I, is it directly core? Like, like is it the natural progression of a hu of like a, like a thinking human mean, is it like directly correlative to like the acquisition of knowledge and wisdom, for example?

[01:03:37] Eldar: I think wisdom and enlightenment absolutely. 

[01:03:39] Toliy: That, that, that is what's going on. 

[01:03:40] Eldar: 100% 

[01:03:42] Toliy: right? Yeah. Yeah. And the more 

[01:03:43] Eldar: you are able to stretch that, stretch out that moment and not come out of that moment 

[01:03:48] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:03:48] Eldar: For whatever reason. Yeah. I mean that's like godlike. 

[01:03:51] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and like that, that, that's why I always like, like I'm thinking about this so, so much because, um, there's definitely times where I don't make great decisions.

[01:04:02] And obviously they're like the one 

[01:04:03] Eldar: today in the morning. 

[01:04:05] Toliy: Two in the morning. What? Um, and, and, and lots of times it's when I'm not con consciously like, um, like a thinking. Yeah. You know? Correct. Um, until I can program my subconscious, I don't have to consciously think about because I operate in that way subconsciously.

[01:04:24] Correct. You know, and now I don't have to use brain power. 

[01:04:26] Eldar: But that would take you towards doing that. You thinking about certain things and bringing those things forward in those discussions or discussions in general. But what you're 

[01:04:32] Mike: talking about is, is removing, try to remove things that are stressful, that shouldn't be stressed about.

[01:04:39] And then when stress does come in, you know how to deal with it with humor. 

[01:04:42] Eldar: Correct. But I'm not even talking about Yeah. Removing it. Right. That's the way I'm perceiving it. Yes. Right. When I give instruction about certain things, I'm explaining to you that I'm trying to give you instructions in ways that you can have fun with it more than anything.

[01:04:55] Right. Where it's building you up versus taking away from you. Mm-hmm. A moment with your, with your nephew mm-hmm. That you find right now maybe stressful. Mm-hmm. And like, oh shit, agitating because it's tough. Mm-hmm. I'm explaining to you that you can apply a very specific character mm-hmm. Towards a very specific moment in order to extract a very specific thing that serves you versus not.

[01:05:16] If you have that ability, you go into that moment more and more and more, and then you'll be comfortable with whatever moment that comes at you. It doesn't matter what it is, you can be able to stretch that out. Mm-hmm. And you'll be stuck in it, and time will be irrelevant. 

[01:05:30] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:30] Eldar: And therefore you get exactly what you want every single time out of the moment versus allowing somebody to bully you.

[01:05:35] Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:36] Toliy: But you are saying that it's impossible to be more conscious, but, but not si simultaneously be smarter. 

[01:05:45] Eldar: What, what do you mean, conscious and like, 

[01:05:49] Toliy: like I would definitely like to be as conscious as possible for as long as I possibly can. Like as, as, as many times as I can. Like to like Yeah.

[01:05:59] Continue to like, expand that thing. Yeah. Because I know that when I am in those moments 

[01:06:04] Eldar: Yeah. It's killer. 

[01:06:05] Toliy: It's killer. Yeah. I make very good decisions. Yeah. I get very good outcomes. And you have fun. Yeah, I have fun. Yeah. Right. In all things. 

[01:06:11] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[01:06:12] Toliy: So like, I definitely have like a, uh, like, like, um, like a desire to, to extend that.

[01:06:20] Right. But my question is, is that like, like when you're conscious. Or you're, or like, if you can summon with somebody, like, like right now, for example, right? Like let, let, let's just say default operating for Harris is like a complete numb, numb nuts mode. [01:06:40] Mm-hmm. Right? But if it, like, if you summon him correctly in a particular moment and you sit down and we have this kind of conversation and there's focus in play, right?

[01:06:52] Um, a person can be a very conscious individual, right? 

[01:06:56] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. 

[01:06:57] Toliy: But they not necessarily have gained the knowledge behind like doing, doing that. Like you are, you are bringing that up. 

[01:07:04] Eldar: Yes. And right now we are raising awareness for Harris that look Okay. So you have a choice in the matter. Yes. 

[01:07:09] Toliy: So, so, so my question is this, is that like, um, like as you get smarter and smarter, I guess you side by side can bring that out more and more for yourself.

[01:07:23] Yeah. Right? Yeah. Um, but my question is, is that like, is it possible to not, like, not be smarter, but also still have that to give yourself the opportunity to, to think more 

[01:07:39] Mike: it's a, or is that just like, it's a not possible you, it's like, it sounds like a paradoxical thing. 

[01:07:43] Toliy: Yeah. Like, yeah, in my feet, the way I understood it.

[01:07:47] Mike: Like, uh, what you just, the words used, I would say use the word desire. You have a desire, right. To be more conscious, more time. Yeah. And if that's your main desire Yeah. Those other desires that don't contribute to it, they have to fall away. The only way to fall away Yeah. Is why you becoming smarter. By you becoming smarter, you have the desire.

[01:08:11] Toliy: Yeah. So, so become smarter. Smarter. So that's, I'm saying, is it impossible to be more conscious, to give yourself the ability to like, learn faster, but not like, first be really smart and then be conscious, if that makes sense. You're 

[01:08:26] Mike: saying, can you be smart without being smart

[01:08:31] Toliy: because this Right. Someone can punch above their weight mm-hmm. Right. When you like summon them 

[01:08:37] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:08:37] Toliy: To, to, to a philosophical conversation. Yeah. And you, like, you create like a little mm-hmm. Bubble or moment, right? Like Yeah. Like in, in this bubble that, like, for example, Eldar started mm-hmm. Right? Um, uh, for this period of time, like he can make us think at like extremely high advanced levels, right?

[01:08:56] Mm-hmm. We we're, we're, we're, we're operating for sure right above our standard, standard abilities, right? 

[01:09:06] Mike: No, I don't think that's, it's above our standard abilities. 

[01:09:08] Toliy: No, no. We're, we're operating at a higher level than we usually do. Correct. Correct. That I can agree with. 

[01:09:14] Mike: Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

[01:09:15] But, but the reason we're doing that. Is because we have other things that's on our mind that take away our, uh, distraction from it. 

[01:09:21] Toliy: Well, but yeah. But that the Yeah. But like being conscious is, is the opposite of that. Right? So my, my, my point is, is, is basically is that like, can you summon consciousness to give yourself the opportunity not to just be like, like, like, like in the way I'm originally talking about, it's that like, I want to be conscious.

[01:09:41] No, you cannot. You cannot. No, but, but I'm, but, but I'm giving the examples that, like you, for example, started like this podcast and like philosophy club and like all, all those kinds of things, right? Yeah. And, uh, and my, my example is this, is that like the, the, like us all as individuals that sit here, we operate right now above our standard operating abilities, typically in our own respective lives.

[01:10:08] Because right now we have a higher level of consciousness. Correct? Sure. But that's moments. Moments. But I am too saying I am too. Yes. No, yeah. That, that, that doesn't matter. Yeah. I'm saying is that what's cultivated right now Yeah. Is a higher level of functionality. Correct. Agreed. Okay. So it's not necessarily right now that we're like, uh, learning, like we've completely changed as people right now and we're learning this, and this will for, for sure right now, forever stick.

[01:10:34] Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah. Right now, like it's like a bubble that's created and there's a higher level of thinking here. Sure. Mm-hmm. Because everyone is too in a particular way. Sure. Right? Yeah. My question is that like. Oh. Oh, okay. And, and when that happens, you're able to almost like punch above your usual weight, correct?

[01:10:51] Right. Yes. So my question is this, is that, is there a way to summon, like the ability to be conscious so that you can give yourself the opportunity to learn at an accelerated rate versus like, if you have within that moment? No, impossible. 

[01:11:11] Eldar: Within a compromise moment is impossible because like 

[01:11:13] Toliy: for, for example, for me it's impossible.

[01:11:14] I'm not even thinking about, it's like I want to be conscious so that I can learn more. Yeah. I'm thinking like, I know that I can operate well when I'm conscious. Yeah. So like, I just wanna operate mm-hmm. Out of that level of consciousness. But my question is, can you, can, can, can you summon consciousness No.

[01:11:30] To hack learning 

[01:11:30] Eldar: basically? No, it's impossible. 

[01:11:32] Mike: No. 

[01:11:33] Toliy: Okay. No. So, so it's a, its a paradox side. It can become 

[01:11:35] Mike: smarter by becoming smarter. You have to 'cause 

[01:11:38] Toliy: in this, in, in this scenario for this moment of time, you can 

[01:11:42] Eldar: Yes. Uh, what you, that's what I'm, what are you saying that within those moments, outside of this moment?

[01:11:47] Mm-hmm. Uh, he's like, okay, I'm just gonna summon it. Right? Yeah. Using the word summon, like, okay, this is the moment requires for this, I'm gonna do that. Mm-hmm. I don't think that, that that's what happens at all. I think that in those moments, like you said, when we come out of here, right? Mm-hmm. We almost, or, um, operate out of an automatic pilot.

[01:12:04] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[01:12:04] Eldar: Okay. Yeah. And that automatic pilot, it has already very specific features to automate out of 

[01:12:10] Katherine: mm-hmm. 

[01:12:10] Eldar: Very specific. Yeah. And those specific automated pilots are. The features are made up of values and beliefs mm-hmm. That we've carried for a very long time. Yeah. And those things can be easily translated as habits.

[01:12:25] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[01:12:26] Eldar: Okay. Yes. They become habits. 

[01:12:28] Katherine: Sure. 

[01:12:28] Eldar: So, because they're habits, right? Mm-hmm. They're automatic. 

[01:12:32] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[01:12:32] Eldar: Okay. Yeah. Within the moment mm-hmm. You become habitual and responding and acting a certain type of way. Mm-hmm. Okay? So what happens is, as soon as you commit a crime against yourself within the moment, by reacting different wrongly like you did, for example, with Harris in this moment, right?

[01:12:46] Mm-hmm. Right. There's nothing you could have done. 

[01:12:50] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[01:12:51] Eldar: Right? I think in that moment it was destiny. A hundred percent. It was destiny. Yeah. Why? Because you have not leveled up yet. Mm-hmm. You have not raised enough awareness mm-hmm. To know that these types of moments mm-hmm. Right. When they come, you're gonna be conscious.

[01:13:03] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:13:04] Eldar: Right? Of course. When you do have enough of these types of moments right now that we're having accelerated or mm-hmm. Heightened awareness, then slowly it'll start creep in into your daily life. 

[01:13:17] Yeah. 

[01:13:17] Because you've changing the trajectory and what you are actually mm-hmm. Believing and valuing because you're finally reprogramming the subconscious.

[01:13:24] Mm-hmm. Yes. Reprogramming your subconscious. Mm-hmm. And then soon or later it is, it's gonna start becoming, showing its face in the mm-hmm. In those moments. Yeah. But for now, no. You don't have a choice in the matter, bro. Yeah. It's destiny for you to fail. 

[01:13:38] Toliy: Yeah. So, so, so that in consciousness there's no habits, right?

[01:13:43] Harris: Correct. 

[01:13:44] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:13:44] Harris: That's crazy. I just wanna remind you, man. Correct. It's pure. 

[01:13:49] Toliy: Yeah. Like that, that, that's what I always want. You know, I 

[01:13:52] just wanna, well, 

[01:13:53] Eldar: well, no, you're talking about what Buddha wanted. I, 

[01:13:55] Harris: I just wanna remind you, man, you're not really Professor Snape also, um, summoning fucking shit, man. Also, 

[01:14:03] Mike: back to the enlightenment thing.

[01:14:04] I was thinking about this. 

[01:14:05] Harris: Yeah. 

[01:14:06] Mike: The only desire you should have is enlightenment. That's what, that's what said. The only accepted desire, quote unquote, in the, which laws, again, paradoxical. Yes. But those desires that we come outta here Yeah. Those are desires that keep us away from the actual desire. 

[01:14:21] Eldar: Yeah.

[01:14:21] Well, those desires are mostly rooted, let's just say, in the most simplistic way, in the revenge. You know what I mean? No, I don't get it. Like, you know, Harris, like, yo, I wanna do this. 

[01:14:33] Mike: No, no. I'm, I'm, that's like, that's like next level based off you come out and you fucking hungry. Yeah. Now you want to have a conversation about what you want to eat.

[01:14:40] Yeah. What you want to eat there? You wanna go here? You wanna call your boy? Yeah. Yo, what are we eating? Yeah, that's it. Philosophy's out the window. Yeah. Now it's, I have a desire to fill my stomach. Yeah. I have a desire to seek pleasure, right? Yeah. 

[01:14:50] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:14:50] Mike: Then you wanna have a desire like, yo, what's up tomorrow?

[01:14:52] Let's go over here. Let's go over there. Yeah. Right. Then you have a desire like, yo, I haven't called my parents. How's my parents doing? Mm-hmm. How's my mom doing? Yeah. How are my dog doing all those desires? Yeah. You know, a lot of them, some of them a lot maybe could be rooted in. Something that takes away from you being more conscious because they're coming from a pain, from a fear.

[01:15:12] Eldar: Sure. But also don't discount the fact that certain desires if under control should serve you. Right. If you want to go out and have ice cream 

[01:15:20] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:15:21] Eldar: You should. And enjoy it. Right? Yeah. Without having a guilt trip afterwards, without having to throw it up Yeah. Later, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Or go on the treadmill for the next hour or so.

[01:15:30] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:15:30] Eldar: You actually enjoyed yourself in that moment, but those 

[01:15:32] Mike: shouldn't be considered like desires. It should be just like a, it shouldn't even be given so much attention to Yeah, sure, sure. Like, and I think the problem is we give a lot of attention to the stuff that's unimportant. Yes. And we don't give enough attention to stuff.

[01:15:44] Well, that's what talking about. Yeah. Yeah. 

[01:15:46] Toliy: Yeah. That, yeah. And, and like, a lot of those actions to me are all like, habitual. A 

[01:15:51] Mike: hundred 

[01:15:51] Toliy: percent. But 

[01:15:52] Mike: at one point they weren't habitual. Yeah. Again, a lot of the stuff that we developed is for our own protection because the, it's like we're suffering. We need a pleasure, you know?

[01:16:03] Well, that's why they're interested. Yeah. But I 

[01:16:05] Toliy: still think that, that, that, that, like, um, to, to, to me also, I think part of a reason that we struggle is that like, like I definitely agree that they're, they were once desires, right. But then I think that like, like those desires are now ha habits, and I feel like our, our, our, our like inability to identify that, to think that there's still desires.

[01:16:30] Mm-hmm. I think is oftentimes what stops us from valuing consciousness. 

[01:16:35] Eldar: Agreed. 

[01:16:36] Toliy: So that yeah, you can, um, reprogram these things, but we still 

[01:16:41] Eldar: think, but that's why we need, we need to live out those desires. Totally. Yes. In order to learn the lessons that are painful at the end of those. Yes. The 

[01:16:47] Toliy: unconscious following on your sword.

[01:16:49] Yeah. The unconscious person Yes. Thinks that he's consciously wanting something. Correct. But he's wrong about that. Yeah. He's not consciously wanting anything. 

[01:16:57] Harris: Correct. 

[01:16:58] Toliy: He's just like an unconscious, like, uh, I think a lot of the time I, I have a picture that, that those people you were talking about the other day, the, uh, where, where, where that, that one guy looked like them.

[01:17:08] Where, where it's like the people with the one eye, the the yellow people. Well, those guys. Yeah. What's that min called? Yeah. Minions. The minions. Yeah. 

[01:17:17] Katherine: Minions. Yeah. The one Eye people. I was like, oh, wow. Yeah. 

[01:17:20] Toliy: Those like one eye, like, uh, you know, things. Yeah, yeah. Like that that, that to me is a thing. And like lots of times if I do things that are like, I dunno, let's just say like, um, like I, I don't like, or I don't feel like they're serving me lots of times I'm, I'm like, I mean, pretty much always then when, when they're playing out is that, um, I'm not realizing that this is no longer a desire because a desire like to desire is to, is also to think.

[01:17:50] Right? They're, they're, they're, they're, they're stemming, they're they're happening from habitual, unconscious things. They're no longer desires. 

[01:17:58] Eldar: Okay. 

[01:17:59] Toliy: I feel like that's a huge problem. 

[01:18:01] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:18:02] Toliy: Because it you, you thinking that this is a desire of yours, right? Is you validating your idea to begin 

[01:18:10] Mike: with? But I think, I think the kicker is, maybe, maybe it ties into your, what you're saying, the kicker is, um, nobody knows how, or nobody wants to just be okay with like silence.

[01:18:23] Like, uh, so if you come out of here, you can't just be like living in the moment, just whatever. We have a problem with silence, right? People can't sit in silence, they can't enjoy the moment, just be whatever. It's hard to do, obviously. And, and we need to always feel that noise in our head and we need like, okay, what do I do now?

[01:18:43] You may not even be hungry, but like, yo, it's eight o'clock. I got nothing to do. Let me eat. You. Obviously not going through those processes or whatever. Well, yeah. 

[01:18:49] Toliy: It's, it's to the habit of yours, the habit, habit, but also the habit to protect 

[01:18:53] Mike: you from listening to the quietness. Because the quietness, maybe it comes back to the thing is it's scary to face what you're actually really thinking about, what you're really scared about, what's really bothering you.

[01:19:03] So you feel yourself with these things 'cause they keep those things at bay. Yeah. You know, maybe this is my theory. 

[01:19:09] Eldar: No, I, I think so too. I think that's a 

[01:19:12] Mike: good 

[01:19:12] Eldar: valid point. Yeah. 

[01:19:16] Toliy: Yeah. I just feel that like this, this, this idea that it's still a desire of yours is like a validation to what's going on and it prevents you from, from changing.

[01:19:26] Mike: Yeah, but nobody says I have a desire to go eat dinner right now. Like, yeah. Like, no. No, but no, but I think we, and we don't think I have a desire. We don't think you have a desire to go do something. Uh, 

[01:19:34] Toliy: no. But I think the, the, the way that you like, like a lot of the, these things, if were to examine them, I think that if you were to think about them, you, you would view them as desires.

[01:19:46] Mike: Not that these are like, I think it's a habit. I'm like, yo, eight o'clock, oh, people usually eat dinner on this time. Let's eat dinner. Or, 

[01:19:52] Eldar: uh, well, let's not talk about just the trivial things like dinner. Okay. You know what I mean? Let's talk about maybe more, more, more things that get us more in trouble than dinner, I guess.

[01:20:01] You know, the relationships or the conversations we have with our loved ones or ones we care about and friends and stuff like that, you know? 

[01:20:07] Katherine: Yeah. 

[01:20:07] Eldar: Um, 

[01:20:09] those, I think that are probably

[01:20:14] carry a lot more like suffering. More suffering, but they're, you know, I 

[01:20:18] guess, yeah. They like, you know, we can come out of here and then like get on the phone with our parents. Mm-hmm. Right? And then if we're not conscious enough to really pay attention to each word that is being said and structured in the very way, in a specific way, we can get off guard.

[01:20:32] Mm-hmm. We can get caught off guard and the next thing you know, we're fuming. 

[01:20:34] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:20:35] Eldar: Versus, you know, challenging what is being said and why is it being said? Because a lot of times, like, you know, if you really pay attention, really pay attention. Really pay attention. Really 

[01:20:47] Toliy: pay attention. 

[01:20:48] Eldar: Yeah. You, you come to find out that other people don't know what the fuck they're saying.

[01:20:52] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[01:20:54] Eldar: Right. I asked my mom, like, what are you saying and why are you saying this? 

[01:20:57] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[01:20:58] Eldar: And rarely do I actually have real good reasons as to what, uh, she can come up with in order to give su sustain any kind of normal conversation. Mm-hmm. A lot of times like, ah, you know, she's just throwing a feel like, ah, I just wanted to tell you.

[01:21:11] I don't wanna share, you know, I wanna share mm-hmm. What, for what. Mm-hmm. What is the reason? Or like, you know, you know what I'm talking about, these fucking things. Yeah. Right, right. I 

[01:21:20] Toliy: had this, uh, uh, uh, last night, my, my, um, sister's boyfriend, I, he has sleep apnea. 

[01:21:27] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[01:21:27] Toliy: They did some tests that like, uh, when he sleeps on his back, he stops breathing like 15 to to 20 times a minute.

[01:21:33] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[01:21:34] Toliy: Like, just stops breathing completely, which is very bad and dangerous. And then like, he'll, he'll sometimes need like 12 to 14 hours of sleep and he still won't feel like refreshed. 'cause his sleep quality is so low. It's so bad. Yeah. So bad. Like, he'll go to bed at 10 and wake up at like two Whoa.

[01:21:48] And still be tired. Yeah. And everyone's like, yo, what the fuck? Like, yeah. What's wrong with you sleeping all day? Yeah. Like, you know, like I'm, I'm, I'm trolling him, like I'm saying. Good, good morning if I see him at like four o'clock, you know, at night. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, um, my grandma's talking to me about this last night.

[01:22:02] Like, he, he, uh, they, they, they found out that he, he, he has very enlarged, um, uh, tonsils. 

[01:22:07] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[01:22:08] Toliy: He has to get those removed that, that's contributing towards this. And then he has to get another operation to like the phone remove like some, some something. Anyway, she's telling me about this and then like, she's tying this to like how he plays too much video games and he grew up in an environment.

[01:22:22] Fostering video games, and he didn't go outside enough to get like fresh air. Mm-hmm. And she's now telling me about how her time in like, Ukraine, when like, like, no, our parents were all about going outside and see like, yeah, your mom doesn't have this. Like, you know, like, you know Yeah. Like this, that like, we don't have this, you know, because like you guys always played outside and he's always playing inside on the computer and like Yeah.

[01:22:43] This, like that. And like, the way she's coming across is that she's diagnosing this like a doctor 

[01:22:48] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:22:48] Toliy: Of what's happening. Yeah. And then I'm like, uh, and I'm like, I'm, I'm, I'm trolling her. I'm like, well, like I would give you my opinion, but I'm not a doctor. 

[01:22:57] Eldar: Yeah. You know? 

[01:22:58] Toliy: Yeah. And I'm saying in a particular way to make her feel like I'm thinking that, that she's a doctor.

[01:23:01] She's a doctor. And she, and she's like, well, I'm not a doctor either, you know? Yes. Right. Yeah. I'm a surrender. She's just like, I'm just making a guess. And then I'm like, well, what's the point about talking about a guest here? Yeah. Right. Like, because like in my mind here That's right. We're having a pointless conversation, completely 

[01:23:16] Eldar: pointless conversation about 

[01:23:17] Toliy: someone who's giving me like this crazy theory about how this [01:23:20] person was raised.

[01:23:21] Yes. Therefore, he plays too much video games doesn't get enough fresh air. 

[01:23:24] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:23:25] Toliy: And, and like the, the reason this has happens is because there's a bunch of events that happen every day. 

[01:23:30] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:23:31] Toliy: That. People actually, um, like in the house are like not happy with, or like mm-hmm. Yes. They'll troll like, oh, like, like, like my grandma.

[01:23:39] Well always, why is he sitting there playing? You always make compliments. Like, oh, he didn't even take Nova outside 

[01:23:44] Eldar: all 

[01:23:44] Toliy: day. Yeah. All day. Yeah. Always makes these comments. Like, so then all that is being tight. So when something happens, all that is like adding shit on, on, on the fire, on, on top to saying, yeah, he's actually getting this because see, like he's not hanging no about, or he's not doing this outside.

[01:23:57] He's cooked up playing games. Yes. Right. Like, yeah. Like, so what, like, like, like, like I, I, I also played video games all the time too before and Yeah. Like it's, yeah. Yeah. It's just like ridiculous things. 

[01:24:08] Harris: Correct. 

[01:24:09] Toliy: And then like she starts getting a little bit upset with me. Yeah. Where it's like, well, okay, then nevermind that.

[01:24:14] Yeah. That's exactly 

[01:24:15] Eldar: how my conversations go. 

[01:24:17] Toliy: Yeah. Like, I'm not willing to have this like, like give my medical diagnosis of what's happening Yeah. Over an educated guest about how the person was raised playing outside or not. Yeah. You know, it's a crazy like theory. 

[01:24:29] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:24:29] Toliy: You know? Yeah. Um, like it just might be in reality that he might just have inflamed tonsils and like 

[01:24:34] Eldar: something like that.

[01:24:35] Yeah. Yeah. Like 

[01:24:36] Toliy: Yeah. But like the, his game of playing doctor. Yeah. Like what now? Now I'm supposed to give my theory about like, yeah. Well I actually think it's because of like, you know, like this, this or that. Like, 

[01:24:45] Eldar: yeah. 

[01:24:46] Toliy: Yeah. Like, yeah, like that's what I was saying. Things happen in that kind of way, you know?

[01:24:50] You know, 

[01:24:50] Eldar: a lot of times when we really pay attention Harris, we realize that people are just talking out of their ass. Thank you man. Yeah. That's very insightful. For 

[01:24:59] Harris: sure. I. You're always, how do we get 

[01:25:02] Katherine: here? 

[01:25:03] Harris: I don't know, man. 

[01:25:05] Toliy: Paris, is anything sticking? Well, well, you, you asked a question like, um, originally you were asking like when o when other people need to go on, like, the journey of like falling on their sword or like learning Yeah.

[01:25:17] Like people, like for example, me and are are notorious for trying to like, prevent that and stuff. And you ask that like why? Right. And I feel like, um, oftentimes it happens when we're operating from a, uh, non-conscious, um, like thinking Yeah. Right. Uh, we actually think that like this path that they're gonna go on is not a good one and it's one that, that is suffering.

[01:25:41] So we wanna, so we think in that mo moment that we could tap 'em on the shoulder, say, Hey, don't go that way. Yeah. 

[01:25:48] Eldar: Go that way. That way is 

[01:25:48] Toliy: dangerous. Yeah. Go this way. Yeah. And we think that these people are gonna actually learn. 

[01:25:53] Eldar: Learn. Yeah. 

[01:25:54] Toliy: Right. From that. From that. 

[01:25:56] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:25:56] Toliy: Right. 

[01:25:56] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:25:57] Toliy: Um, so then it almost then 

[01:25:59] Eldar: falls on us, right?

[01:26:00] First we thought, we think that this individual was coming to us for help, needs to learn. It's actually us. Who needs to learn then? 

[01:26:07] Toliy: Well, yeah. Yeah. Because like, we're convinced of, of, of doing so. And, and it's actually funny what, when you brought this up in the morning, uh, I was reading a LinkedIn post 

[01:26:16] Katherine: mm-hmm.

[01:26:16] Toliy: Of a guy who was like, Hey, he's very known to be extremely successful in the marketing world. 

[01:26:20] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[01:26:20] Toliy: And he made a post saying, yo, people always come to me for marketing advice. Mm-hmm. He's like, even like. My, like daughter's at school. Like, he, he, he, he's famous on like LinkedIn. Yeah. Right. He is like, even in my daughter's school, like the, the parents mm-hmm.

[01:26:31] Will come up and be like, Hey, like, you know, like mm-hmm. What can I do for my business or like this and that. And he goes, I always give them the same things of advice that helped me. Yeah. And they always gimme the same answer. Like, oh no, I tried podcasting like that. Like, 

[01:26:44] Katherine: it doesn't 

[01:26:44] Toliy: work. Or like, no, I'm not willing to make this amount of videos and stuff like that.

[01:26:48] Yeah. He's like, so then why are you asking me of what to do? 

[01:26:51] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:26:51] Toliy: Right. 

[01:26:52] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:26:53] Toliy: You know? So, so, so I found that to be like, uh, 

[01:26:55] Eldar: yeah, 

[01:26:57] Toliy: it ties in that way 

[01:26:58] Eldar: for sure. 

[01:26:59] Toliy: You know, but, but, but like, um, yeah. When, when, when we're not like thinking, um, we're always thinking that like, uh, where when, when we're not thinking, we think that falling on the sword is not the best thing.

[01:27:16] It's that like, we feel bad for somebody almost. Right. And we want to go, go protect them. Yeah. Thinking that we know, like be we, like we, we think we want the best for them. Yeah. Right. Like if I protect my mom or my sister, right? Yeah. All Mike protects Harris. Yeah. Yeah. Like we want the best for them. Yeah.

[01:27:33] Right. Yeah. Um, um, but like, yeah, the, the, the reality is that like, we're, we're wrong about like, our feeling in that moment. Correct. And we're, but yeah. Where more importantly I, I, I think for us, like individually, is that we're not actually thinking about. What's happening to that person. That's right.

[01:27:54] That's why its happening to that person. And why, and what is it that they 

[01:27:57] Eldar: actually need to, need to learn. Yeah. And like me and you, right? Yeah. When we went into that little scuffle with Harris, right, um, we clearly knew what was happening, right. We were very, at a very specific, um, conclusion that he, what he needed to learn and why, you know?

[01:28:14] Um, and Mike was under a different impression. Completely. 

[01:28:17] Toliy: Yeah. And like, I'm definitely not trying to be nasty to Harris or like do any of that kind of stuff, but I felt it was super necessary to to to to buy back. Yeah. To display that. Because like, this person is acting in this kind of way. So now like, like, like I, I wanna see if the person likes to operate in that kind of way, and whether he has what it takes to be in that realm, right.

[01:28:40] And like, um, um, yeah, I felt it was just ne, ne necessary to do it. Not because I wanna attack him or, or like do any of that. Or like, like let, let's say I was gonna win the bet for, for example, and like, let's say I, I have that information ahead of time. We have a crystal ball and we know that I'm gonna win the bet, right.

[01:28:59] Let's just say Yeah. Right. Even if that's the case, like even if I know that for example, the lesson is still value valuable to not be the person that barks and it like has no substance to what, to what you're saying. Correct. Because like you're gonna be that, like if you don't learn that lesson, you'll just learn.

[01:29:18] Either a bunch of like, may, may, maybe a smaller version of those type of lessons where you're never actually like challenged. 

[01:29:25] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:29:25] Toliy: And the, the, uh, the uh, um, the curse that you get from that, or the punishment that you get from doing that is that you, uh, form, um, like, uh, uh, values and beliefs from that.

[01:29:39] Mm-hmm. And now you operate in that way forever. 

[01:29:41] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:29:41] Toliy: Because you never like actually tested like a, like your actual theory what happened? Yes. Yeah. And like lost it. So like you just get a bunch of these mini little theories with people Yeah. But then you just form them into like, like actual beliefs.

[01:29:56] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:29:56] Toliy: You know? Yeah. Yeah. So like that, that to me is like far worse than losing that, that like, um, yeah. That time for, for example. Yeah. Because you also get the opportunity to change your value or belief like forever. 

[01:30:10] Eldar: Now if Harris sat here and con, con able to convince us or not set here and then predicted the next four months that he's gonna be completely quiet when it comes to his journey and which is uh, I spoke to you about Right.

[01:30:25] I said this to you when we were walking book. Yeah, I know. Imagine we tell Harris. Mm-hmm. Don't tell anybody. Yeah. Harris is the pitch. Don't tell anybody, your friends, your family members, anyone that you're doing anything. 

[01:30:38] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[01:30:39] Eldar: Imagine you're not sending them pictures, you're not sending them any updates.

[01:30:43] You didn't tell him anything about it and in four months you're going out somewhere. You posted something on Facebook, you posted something on Instagram, and they're like, oh shit. Who the fuck is this guy? 

[01:30:56] Mike: Damn. No. But that, no, but I just realized something this like, uh, the the, that's impossible to do. 

[01:31:06] Eldar: Why?

[01:31:07] Mike: Because you don't actually wanna do it for yourself No close. Because when you have the truth behind you as the reason why you're doing something mm-hmm. You don't need to announce it. 

[01:31:16] Harris: That's right. 

[01:31:16] Mike: You don't need it because you have the truth as your strength. That's right. Your foundation. That's right.

[01:31:21] When you're doing it for the all the wrong reasons. Yeah. You don't have good enough reasons you need that. 

[01:31:26] Eldar: That's why when you told he is like, why is the motherfucker announcing this shit while he's one day in? 

[01:31:30] Yeah. 

[01:31:31] Harris, the co council 

[01:31:35] Toliy: of myself has voted. And you doing it for, and he was back Mike's diet while saying that he was in a fog from, from lunch.

[01:31:42] Mike: Yeah. Based on what, what, like, I just thought about Van 

[01:31:46] Toliy: Mike. 

[01:31:47] Mike: I think it's uh, yeah, like you could lose weight for vanity. 

[01:31:55] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:31:55] Mike: Right. And all those reasons. Yeah. Or you could lose weight because you actually want to be healthy. Yeah. I healthy. Which, which is the truth. Yeah. Because you want to be healthy, you want to feel good for the right reasons.

[01:32:06] I wanna be healthy to have good health allegedly, 

[01:32:09] Harris: and be smart. Well, yeah. But the process, 

[01:32:13] Eldar: the whole plan takes a lot. It does. But we're, we're trying to give you, we're trying to set you up for success. Not just in the area of like, yeah. Let's, you know, cut some calories, lose some weight. You know what I mean?

[01:32:23] Yeah. I wouldn't want you. Right. I wouldn't want you as, let's just say my protege, you know, my mentee, you know, I'm mentoring you, you know, as we're gonna get you in good shape, looking good, feeling good. But then you are pressing your dad, you are pressing your mom. You are pressing, I'm not planning on that.

[01:32:44] I'm, I know, I'm just saying that I wouldn't want to see that. I wouldn't want to help you come up and then you be a tyrant. Yeah. Pressing on that. That's what I'm saying. No one is until no one become a tyrant. No 

[01:32:56] one is. 

[01:32:56] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:32:56] Eldar: Unless that's the 

[01:32:57] Toliy: paradox that Yes. That's what I was saying before, is that the level that we're actually at and the level that we actually, and we're, and we think is rarely ever aligned.

[01:33:08] All: Mm-hmm. 

[01:33:09] Toliy: That's why the person that does a diet for one day thinks that they're hot shit. Right. And the person, 

[01:33:15] Harris: oh, I, I'm gonna keep it going, man. Good. You gonna 

[01:33:19] Mike: have to switch directions though. 

[01:33:21] Harris: What do you mean hope so 

[01:33:24] Mike: You mean directions to really find out the reasons why you're doing this. I already know why I'm doing it.

[01:33:31] Have you been honest with yourself? Yes, I have, man. All right, good. 

[01:33:35] Toliy: What if everybody out there. Except everybody out there saw Harris, how he currently looks, but only himself. He looks sick. Like six pack. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Nice sideburns. There ain't gonna be no shadow man. We can, no, we can, 

[01:33:48] Mike: yo, we can put you into induced thing.

[01:33:49] No. How, how would you feel about that? And you, you could just live in vr. 

[01:33:52] Toliy: How would you feel about that if you, when you looked yourself in the mirror, you looked really good, he'll take it right? But everybody else will see you. How you look yourself down. You should take it and you would've to put a lot of work and effort to, to, to get to there.

[01:34:05] Dang it. You gotta just say no older. No. Yeah. Yeah. How, how would you feel about that? 

[01:34:14] Eldar: I don't know. 

[01:34:15] Toliy: Well then if you don't know, you can't say what you're saying that you wanna be healthy. You want do I do wanna be healthy, dude dying. 

[01:34:21] Harris: I'm not. I'm dying on the inside, man. But you haven't gotten tested. You don what?

[01:34:25] You're dying. People, 

[01:34:25] Mike: people always, uh, getting sick and dying inside. Everyone's dying. We're all dying. 

[01:34:30] Harris: We're all dying. There is more a reason to fucking jump in there. Hey, I need to get healthy. 

[01:34:33] Mike: But what's your reasons for getting healthy? 

[01:34:36] Harris: So I can live a long life, man. And what are you willing to be happy with?

[01:34:39] The way I look 

[01:34:40] Mike: life. What's the point of living? Long life. You can't eat like ifm miserable smoke cigarettes and drink booze and make love to crispy every night. What's the point? Yeah. And let me go dig my grape. How about that, Willie? 

[01:34:51] Toliy: Yeah. Like, why, why do you wanna live a long life? For what? Yeah. Like what's the reason?

[01:34:54] To extend misery? 

[01:34:56] Harris: To extend something? Yeah. To better myself, man. Better my fucking life. If you lose, what do you want from me? Man? If you lose a 

[01:35:00] Mike: weight, you're still gonna be ugly and have an egg-shaped head. 

[01:35:04] Harris: How's the FM on those fucking ears, man? 

[01:35:07] Toliy: Oh, that's great. Yeah. No, what wanted to, how did you feel about that Har 

[01:35:10] Harris: Harris though?

[01:35:11] Sick 

[01:35:11] Toliy: if you were, were in really good shape. 

[01:35:13] Harris: Wow. Would I, it'd be healthy. Like 

[01:35:17] Toliy: you would be healthy, but everybody would look at you right now. Actually. You would be 20 pounds heavier than you are now to everybody else. 

[01:35:22] Harris: Okay. Let's do it man. You'll take it. Yeah. Yeah. We'll put you in vr. No, I'm saying 

[01:35:26] Toliy: like, like, would you work as hard and do everything it like, uh, I, I I, I, I think if you're honest with yourself, a portion of it is, you know, you want others to look at you good.

[01:35:35] You wanna get some girlies. No. The, the que the 

[01:35:37] Mike: question is much simpler than that. Do you go and you get the plastic surgery? You look like a fucking perfect. Oh my God, man. And you don't have to lose the weight. You don't have to do anything. Oh, fuck yeah. Yeah. Everybody taking, that's the thing. 

[01:35:47] Toliy: Oscar De La Hoya got a a six pack.

[01:35:50] Mike: Six pack. 

[01:35:50] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. That's 

[01:35:51] Harris: wrong. That's the question. Yeah. He, he 

[01:35:53] Toliy: has perfect abs with without the working out. Yeah, man, listen, I'm on track. 

[01:35:57] Harris: I'm gonna keep to it. I don't give a fuck. Want. 

[01:36:02] Mike: Yeah, we, we could fly to Turkey, get a vacation and get the surgery. I, I'm not doing 

[01:36:05] Toliy: it, man. And you can get a new head, new head of hair, and you're getting, what is wrong with my hair, man?

[01:36:10] New. What wrong with my 

[01:36:11] Mike: hair, man? Fix your hairline. Fix your hairline. Every, what's wrong with my two 

[01:36:15] Toliy: pounds of dandruff on your head? 

[01:36:17] Mike: They'll suck the fat outta your stomach and put it into your legs. 

[01:36:19] Toliy: Al, there's coffee every day. Be, be before it would have 50 grams of, uh, of dandruff in it. 

[01:36:25] Harris: No, it would not, man.

[01:36:26] Toliy: 25. Alright guys, 

[01:36:29] Eldar: what are you guys, what are you guys saying about what we said about. Allowing people to, uh, fall on their sword. Paris, did you understand the topic? Yeah. Man. 

[01:36:40] Toliy: Did you understand the topic? Yeah. Man, that's sick question. What the 

[01:36:44] Eldar: heck 

[01:36:44] Toliy: to ask at the end? See, why, why are you being upset with him?

[01:36:48] That's fucked up. He's asking if you understood that. Yeah, man, I understood 

[01:36:51] Harris: it. I'm not upset with them. So, so then, okay, so, 

[01:36:54] Eldar: okay, so if you did understand it would've totally asked you how about like, yeah, tell us what we, what we talked about then. And like, do you 

[01:37:01] Harris: agree? Do you disagree? When you talk all the shit, you gotta roll with the punches and you gotta eventually prove what about die on about the life or Yeah.

[01:37:09] How important It's for you to 

[01:37:10] Eldar: die on your 

[01:37:11] Harris: sword, right? It's not dying on the sword, man. It's falling on your sword, man. Get the expression right, man. Falling on your sword, right? 

[01:37:16] Eldar: Because so, so based on, based on what you're, based on what you're thinking, like what happened today, what transpired today, should we, should Mike have, uh, let you die, um, fall on your sword?

[01:37:27] Mike: Wait, but doesn't mean it's dead, right? Or is dead. What 

[01:37:30] Harris: are we still gonna do? The competition as of now? It's probably dead man. Totally wants five years, but 

[01:37:37] Toliy: I'll take the two, two years. But I have elder helping me now. 

[01:37:40] Harris: Are you taking away my, uh, secret weapon, dude? 

[01:37:42] Toliy: Yeah. If you want, if you want Now that's that.

[01:37:45] Eldar: Now that's, that's a little bit, you know. Yeah. That's a He is asking for too much. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm the secret weapon here, man. 

[01:37:51] Toliy: Yeah, but it's different when you have all your chips and you can't think versus when you can think, come on, stakes are different now. 

[01:38:01] Eldar: See he's getting greedy. You know, 

[01:38:02] Toliy: we'd 

[01:38:02] Eldar: beat Dennis like that.

[01:38:04] What, when? Totally, when Dennis and totally challenged each other for a boxing match. 

[01:38:08] All: Mm-hmm. You 

[01:38:09] Eldar: know, I wasn't in Toy's Corner and I was training Totally. And Dennis was training by himself. 

[01:38:15] All: Mm-hmm. 

[01:38:16] Eldar: You know, and they were gonna fight. We did a whole little thing, press conference and everything that the fuck.

[01:38:21] And the day before it happened totally. Wasn't really feeling so good. He was like, under the weather or something like that. He's like, yo, I think I might pull out. I'm like, bro, don't pull out, bro. We, this fight's not even gonna happen. Watch. You know, because I knew that mentally Dennis wasn't strong, you know, I'm like, don't say anything.

[01:38:37] We're not gonna go public with it. You know, lo and behold, Dennis reaches out to and said, I, I broke my toe 

[01:38:45] All: with a bad need, the shower. 

[01:38:48] Toliy: Yeah. So I would need, I, I would've to take out, you know what I'm saying? If you wanna, I'm, I'm 

[01:38:52] Harris: gonna, I'm gonna, uh, make a statement here. We can win most of these. I dunno if I'm ready to give away, uh, give up my secret weapon, man.

[01:38:59] I think you gotta take it, man. Of course 

[01:39:01] Mike: not. 

[01:39:01] Harris: Yeah. 

[01:39:01] Eldar: I think you gotta take the challenge, Harris. Well, Harris, um, obviously I'm not gonna be as confident if I'm gonna be on Toy's Corner when it comes to you winning, you know? Wait, 

[01:39:11] Mike: what do you mean the secret weapon though? How is all the secret weapon? He's still helping you with the exercising.

[01:39:16] Yeah, but no, totally Sandy. Him, man. Yeah, I, you know, I think that it didn't help totally too with the diet. Yeah. 

[01:39:22] Eldar: Or with 

[01:39:22] Mike: what? 

[01:39:22] Eldar: Kidding? Well, I think that most importantly, it's like if I'm inactive and I'm not doing the mental warfare when it comes to this whole thing. Mm-hmm. You know, that's a big kicker.

[01:39:30] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:39:31] Eldar: You know, I motivating Harris and discouraging totally. Mm-hmm. Is huge. Yeah. You know? So he's taking away El outta the equation, man. 

[01:39:39] Mike: Yeah. But he's still gonna help you with the part of the plan. Yeah. I still 

[01:39:41] Eldar: help you, but probably's not gonna be as effective. Yeah. You know, he's not gonna still competitive competitiveness.

[01:39:47] The, 

[01:39:47] Toliy: the, uh, strategy is a big, uh, the engineering, you, you're trying to turn 

[01:39:52] Harris: it, you're trying to turn it into your dentist boxing match, man. Well, no. 

[01:39:55] Toliy: Hey. No, it's not even that. It's just like, uh, like, uh, like now it's a different [01:40:00] situation. Completely. 

[01:40:01] Eldar: Yeah. And now it's like a conscious thing, right? You now know all the angles and what's going on here.

[01:40:05] Yes. You, 

[01:40:05] Toliy: you have more information now. You you have more 

[01:40:06] Eldar: information. Yeah. Mike has more information to know One, one 

[01:40:09] Toliy: year 

[01:40:09] Mike: and he gets out there. That's 

[01:40:11] Harris: wrong, 

[01:40:11] Mike: man. Man, one year he gets, 

[01:40:14] Toliy: one year is even easier, 

[01:40:16] Mike: you know, one year, no smartphone, but he gets out there 

[01:40:19] Toliy: no, two years. No, but you took out there, so, but, but the situation's different.

[01:40:25] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:40:26] Toliy: So we're, that's why we're, we're negotiating. No, but you can't renegotiate. Why not? Because you, you, you, you snooze, you lose. Oh. 

[01:40:35] Eldar: So Harris give us some feedback. What do you think? 

[01:40:39] Harris: You asked me a question whether or not, you know, Mike should have done what he did. Yeah. 

[01:40:45] Eldar: Did he do the right 

[01:40:45] Harris: thing? How about that?

[01:40:47] Why? Of course I did the right thing. Did you do the right thing? A hundred percent. Well, no. 

[01:40:51] Toliy: What, what the terrorist, what, what do you think? And why? 

[01:40:54] Harris: I mean, from what? Every, everything I'm hearing, right? He did the wrong thing. 

[01:41:00] Mike: No, no. I did the right thing for myself. Oh, for the right, for yourself. 

[01:41:04] Harris: Yeah, but for me, yeah.

[01:41:06] Uh, it sounds like, uh, you kind of threw me under the woohoo, 

[01:41:10] Eldar: under the booth. Yeah. Why, why do you think that? And like, what actually, what lesson did you miss out on? 

[01:41:18] Harris: I don't know. Uh, becoming competitive, going full force. Uh, yeah. What else? Even if you're failing, right? Learning a lesson. Yeah. Right. Don't put your foot in your fucking mouth.

[01:41:30] There you go. Yeah. He understands you see? But also doesn't mean you want me to put my foot in my mouth or no. 

[01:41:36] Toliy: Yeah. So, so he's saying that Mike should not have, uh, 

[01:41:39] Harris: yeah, 

[01:41:42] Eldar: no, I'm saying that. No, he said that. He said it. He said that, that Mike actually did a deserve You've prefer 

[01:41:46] Toliy: to learn the painful way. Is that what you're saying?

[01:41:51] Harris: If you gotta learn, you gotta learn, man. What you gotta learn, you gotta learn. You see his words? If you gotta 

[01:41:59] Eldar: learn, you gotta learn, then you gotta go back to working with toley and No, no, no. But the thing is right, like, like you said, if, if it's, if it's hiding right now, that the individual should be in tune enough to say, like, look, if it's learning, of course, and if that's what I need.

[01:42:12] I ought to go through that. Yeah. I need to go through that. Well, if they don't figure it 

[01:42:15] Toliy: out now, then they're complete more. 

[01:42:17] Eldar: Yeah, 

[01:42:18] Harris: yeah. You know that's true. My name's Paul. Yeah. Why 

[01:42:22] Mike: aren't you ask if there's a way to learn less painful? 

[01:42:24] Harris: Ah, that question. But that's going back into totally, uh, complicated, uh, yeah.

[01:42:32] Segment. Yes. That question. 

[01:42:36] Eldar: Can you take, can you do a hybrid? Can, can you take it easy on them? Can you be nicer? Totally. Can you find better words? Can you be more compassionate?

[01:42:50] The age old question. 

[01:42:52] They're easier, more efficient, nicer way to learn. We've tried easier, more efficient ways. No, Mike? I don't think so. No, I know. I don't think so as much as I spin it. I don't think so. No, I don't think so. And I would maybe think so for a different subject, Mike, but the subject that we're working with, no.

[01:43:10] Mm-hmm. I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah. 

[01:43:12] Toliy: I think the, that the answer is dependent on the person learn, uh, learning. Of course. So I'm saying the subject of course. The subject. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. A very, if you 

[01:43:19] Eldar: have X amount of dirt Yeah. You need y amount of dirt back. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It has to finally Right. Clash.

[01:43:28] Mm-hmm. And wash itself off. Mm-hmm. And the individual rises from this washing mm-hmm. And says, oh, I don't wanna do that anymore. I'm tired of that. Yeah. I don't like it consciously. Mm-hmm. With awareness. Right. Today he sat there in his pool of things or whatever he was thinking. Yeah. Alright. I just say, okay, cool.

[01:43:46] Next time he'll think about it. Okay, cool. Like, if I'm gonna bark up somebody's tree, I either back it up or if you're smart, don't bark at all. 

[01:43:54] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[01:43:55] Mike: Yeah. The thing is, there's also in, in this situation is also not only this lesson, but I think there's a, a more, uh, another lesson that's also very important.

[01:44:03] Mm-hmm. His approach, what he did afterwards. Mm-hmm. And me and him actually had that conversation about this Yeah. You know, there about his plan. I said, you know, you're gonna face some challenges, you're gonna have stress. Yeah. Don't be an idiot. Yeah. You know, don't be a numb nuts, you know? Yeah. Use us as your resources if you get into a fight with your dad.

[01:44:20] Yeah. You know, instead of going crazy, like, he sat here for two hours going crazy. Yeah. Overthinking this shit. Call us, ask us for help. Ask us to give you logic. Yeah. Ask us to talk you off the ledge. Yeah. You know, be because it's gonna happen. Yeah. You're gonna get into a fight with to, are you gonna get in a fight with all, you're gonna fight with me, whoever it is, you're gonna get into a fight with your brother, your sister, it doesn't matter.

[01:44:43] Come and ask for help so people can explain to you what is actually happening, but instead of soaking, 

[01:44:48] Toliy: but, but, but the question is this like, unless you're like, and, and, and, and, and maybe that's like a wrong way of even like now, not even the way of saying it. Um, like, like unless you're more advanced, for example.

[01:45:02] Mm-hmm. Right. Or like further down, down the uh mm-hmm. The, uh, development path. 

[01:45:07] All: Mm-hmm. 

[01:45:08] Toliy: Will. A head. The does like a heads up ever, like work it, like is there a point? The thing is, is there a point to our heads up? That's what we're saying. We 

[01:45:16] Eldar: always use the heads up because it's the easiest path to like, say us.

[01:45:20] Yeah. Like 

[01:45:20] Toliy: the, the does like saying that, hey, like if you have that bad day or that fight with your dad, use us first. Don't like, do do, do this again. It's the same. Is it ever possible for the 

[01:45:28] Eldar: person? It's again, the same question about like, why are we keep protecting individual from falling on their sword?

[01:45:35] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like that, that's what I was saying. Yeah. Before is that like those sleepless nights? Mm-hmm. And those stuff like that, like, I view that as very valuable because like if actually something happened mm-hmm. And you're fortunate enough to have something like physically happening to you where you can actually see it and correlate it.

[01:45:53] Like, oh, I got into a fight, I got bad sleep. That is like a, the holy grail of learning. Yeah. Because the correlation usually it's like I, um, I got bad sleep. 

[01:46:07] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[01:46:08] Toliy: And what actually happened as to what caused it or what 

[01:46:11] Eldar: is completely wrong is either 

[01:46:12] Toliy: completely wrong. 

[01:46:13] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:46:13] Toliy: Or, or like, or the, or the person doesn't even care to like, think about like, like a, a reason why or like mm-hmm.

[01:46:21] They're, they're completely wrong. But absolute gold free knowledge is when you can, when you actually have a cause and effect and you're correct about it and you, and it's actually something physically is happening. Mm-hmm. That is like. The easiest way to learn Sure. There like, 

[01:46:38] Mike: like Yeah, I agree what you're saying, but, but also how do we know that the warnings don't actually help to get there?

[01:46:45] Eldar: The warnings only help with picking up the person. Yeah. Yeah. They say, Hey, remember me? Yeah. Remember the warnings guy? Mm-hmm. Look. Yeah. On this date. Yeah. On this time we had a walk. Mm-hmm. And during that walk, I told you this mm-hmm. And you're like, ah, I remember this. Yeah. It's for the next time, but it's for the picking up part.

[01:47:03] But does it 

[01:47:03] Mike: expedite the process though? 

[01:47:05] Eldar: We don't know. Right? I'm not sure. I think that the, maybe a certain level of trust building, I'm not expecting 

[01:47:11] Mike: him to do what I told him. Okay, good. I'm not have the expectation. Okay. Okay. I put it out there because this is what I believe. Yeah. And I know it's a helpful thing.

[01:47:18] Yeah. Do I think he's gonna use it? Yeah. 

[01:47:20] Toliy: I don't, I'm not gonna bet on No, but you know, it's a helpful thing, like if a particular, like in a particular person know it's a helpful thing. Yeah. But it's for the person know, but, but you don't think it's helpful to Harris in the moment of you telling him? 

[01:47:33] Mike: No. I, I, I do think it could help him.

[01:47:35] It might not work the first time, but I think eventually down the line it will help him. He will remember what I said. And I think that goes for all of us. We plant seeds all the time in people and it takes many times planting the same seed for it to finally sprout. It might take three years of 10 years 

[01:47:51] Toliy: feel like.

[01:47:51] Yeah. But I feel like there, 

[01:47:52] Mike: I'm not expecting him to do it the next time. Like, Hey Mike, you know, last yesterday told me, and today actually I had this thing with my dad and now going forward, I'm always gonna do it. No, I don't have that expectation, 

[01:48:01] Toliy: but I, but I feel like, um, like is, is. A warning the same as a planting of a seed.

[01:48:08] Mike: Mm. Yeah. Maybe in his subconscious it planted. Maybe not in his consciousness. Yeah. But I feel But is it feel gonna bridge the 

[01:48:16] Toliy: gap? It might, because I feel like if you, like, if you give warnings for example mm-hmm. And something happened that wasn't in detail, particularly discussed. Mm-hmm. Right. Does the student then get angry at the teacher?

[01:48:29] Eldar: Potentially, yes. It could, it could backfire. 'cause they, 

[01:48:32] Toliy: they gave them warnings, but they didn't talk about this. Yeah. Correct. And then it happened, and then they're like, yeah, why the fuck didn't you like 

[01:48:38] Eldar: Yeah. That, that's why if it is a warning, if it is a warning, a lot of things need to be, uh, talked about.

[01:48:43] And the things that are not being easily seen need to be warned as like, look, these variables we don't know about. Mm-hmm. So we don't know what might happen. Mm-hmm. And the first thing that comes to mind is when I was giving you warnings about that girl that you were talking mm-hmm. You know, that that stuff happened.

[01:48:55] Yeah. I was like, yo, red flags, I don't know. I don't know, but this, this, this, this, this. And then, you know. Mm-hmm. Um, and at the moment you didn't see 'cause you were compromised, but I saw mm-hmm. What I felt, you know, so I gave you what I could. Yeah. Without knowing those people. Yeah. I wasn't there with you.

[01:49:10] Yeah. 

[01:49:10] Right. So I just armed you with what I could. 

[01:49:12] Yeah. 

[01:49:13] So then when we can come out, out of it, you know, properly. Yeah. You know, but I still think we overstayed a hundred percent. You know what I mean? But I 

[01:49:20] Mike: think if there was no warning, it could have stayed longer. That's the thing. 

[01:49:23] Eldar: Okay. 

[01:49:23] Mike: I do again. Yeah.

[01:49:24] But again, I, maybe I am more understanding in this. Yeah. I'm more advanced in this specific subject. 

[01:49:30] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:49:32] Mike: Somebody else might have not taken the warning and they would've just like, yeah. So I'm not, I can't call whether what I did, what I did or what you did mm-hmm. Helped it. Yeah. Or hurted it or like Yeah.

[01:49:43] You know, or, and same thing here. 

[01:49:44] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:49:44] Mike: Um, my hope is that it helped. 

[01:49:46] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:49:47] Mike: You know, that it is gonna chip away and it's gonna be a reminder and then a couple more of these lessons. Mm-hmm. Reminder is gonna help him to learn, you know? Uh, but I don't know, it could be 10 years until he learns this specific thing that I'm trying to tell him, you know?

[01:50:01] Okay. To use this as a stress management tool to Yeah. Use your resources, talk to people Yeah. Speak instead of Yeah. Going silent, you know? Yeah. Yeah. If you, you know, and he, he said, he's like, yeah, well, if I can't sleep, we're gonna call you guys at 2:00 AM. I'm like, what are you talking about? Yeah. You get into your fight with your dad at 2:00 AM mm-hmm.

[01:50:16] You get into a fight with seven o'clock Yes. And then you jerking in for three, for three hours and you can't sleep. Yeah. You call, call when it happens. He's like, oh, my dad's gonna see me. You know, he is gonna hear me. I'm like, he's not, yeah. He's not gonna see you here. Like, he's giving me excuses. He was giving me bullshit excuses, you know?

[01:50:32] Yeah. 

[01:50:32] Harris: A bullshit excuse, man. I can't even leave through the front door without it going. Yeah. 

[01:50:36] Mike: And then he said, someone at the front door said, and then he said, oh, I also have a back door. I'm like, oh. So what the fuck are you talking about? 

[01:50:42] Harris: Yeah. Oh, hi, my name's Paul. You know, again, 

[01:50:44] Mike: like stupid 

[01:50:44] Harris: excuses.

[01:50:45] Mm-hmm. No one ever uses the back door, man. But it works. Sometimes you forget it's there, but, but it 

[01:50:50] Eldar: works. But it works. Yeah. Okay. 

[01:50:53] Harris: Alright. Yeah. Yeah. 

[01:50:53] Eldar: Alright. Okay. Yeah. Warnings cool. I mean, they do something. Maybe, so, maybe sometimes, whatever. 

[01:51:00] Mike: Maybe it contributes to the person learning fast and maybe it doesn't.

[01:51:03] I don't know. 

[01:51:04] Eldar: Yeah, yeah. No, I think that's, I think it's a conversational piece though, nonetheless, because like I said, when they mess up and they fall down, you're gonna be the like, Hey, remember what we talked about? Yeah. This is it. This is the reason why I told you this is because there's certain things I foresee.

[01:51:17] Mm-hmm. And leverage me, leverage me, leverage me because I'm foreseeing certain stuff because I don't have a horse in a race and all this other stuff. Right? Yeah. And that, that individual starts to build trust and all this other crap in order to then come to you and be like, yo, I need an objective advice.

[01:51:29] Yeah. You know what I mean? And hopefully you take it and like, all right, cool. I'm running with it. Mm-hmm. You know? And if you get good at it, then you can do preventative measures. Mm-hmm. 

[01:51:38] Mike: Yeah. I'm not expecting preventative measures. Yeah. On day one. Yeah. Or in the first, uh, first fight with his dad. Yeah.

[01:51:45] Eldar: Or first fight with somebody else, you know? All right. What are our final thoughts,

[01:51:51] babe? Hmm. We started with talking 

[01:51:57] about allowing people to fall on their sword, especially when they held bent on their own attachment and attachments and that protecting them Most of the time, right. Most of the time we're trying to do preventative measures and ring the alarms and stuff like that. It's probably not conducive, it's not good.

[01:52:16] It holds them away actually from their development. 

[01:52:18] Katherine: I agree. 

[01:52:19] Eldar: So why the fuck are we do it?

[01:52:23] What are your final thoughts on that? I feel 

[01:52:24] Katherine: like in the moment we, we think it's, it's the right thing. In hindsight, we realize that it, it's not, you know? 

[01:52:32] Eldar: Yeah. So it almost sounds like when this happens and we have the opportunity at our hands to be able to help someone or do something, the moment is not actually for them, and then becomes actually for us.

[01:52:44] Mike: Mm-hmm. Well, if we have something to learn about ourselves in the thing, the re and, and obviously that's what transpired. A lot of times thats what happens. I need to learn something in this situation. Correct. Correct. And I couldn't, I almost, almost all the time, I'm always down for sending Harris on this.

[01:52:57] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:52:58] Mike: You know, play Little had his stupid 

[01:52:59] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:53:00] Mike: His mouth. He's yapping. 

[01:53:01] Eldar: Yeah. You 

[01:53:01] Mike: know, but this one, I had my own attachment to it because of Yeah. Some other stuff. 

[01:53:05] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:53:06] Mike: And I wasn't able to, uh, 

[01:53:08] Eldar: yeah. See it for what it is. See it 

[01:53:09] Mike: for what it is. Yeah. You know, which is obviously it's, I learned something. Yeah.

[01:53:14] Which I'm, I'm, no, not sure if it's at Harris' expense. I'm not sure if he would've taken the bet. Yeah. Regardless, you know. Oh, no. I think you would've taken the bet. Yeah. You think so? 

[01:53:23] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:53:23] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:53:24] Eldar: I think we could've pushed them. I think, uh, I was, I was ready to continue pushing. I was ready to continue pushing too.

[01:53:29] Yeah. Yeah. So, and then I realized that the lesson was different. Yeah. You know. Thanks, 

[01:53:34] Mike: man. So thank 

[01:53:35] Eldar: you 

[01:53:35] Mike: for your sacrifice. 

[01:53:36] Eldar: You guys saved each other. We could have done, you guys could do half the time, you know, after the podcast, you guys can do the nip to nip. Not much No need. Connect 

[01:53:43] Harris: your tennis. I don't want, I don't wanna take away wrong, crispy.

[01:53:45] What's wrong, man? We could have crispy's waiting for you. I could have lost the weight in half the time, Mike. You know what I'm saying? You could. 

[01:53:53] Katherine: That was good competitive spirit. That was good. You, you see then that's the proof of his competitive spirit. You could've, 

[01:53:58] Eldar: yes. You could have. See now we were riding totally that we can ride Mike for a little while until you become agro organic and then we'll twist it on you.

[01:54:04] Toliy: Yeah. Not, not, not according to Mike because you're disabled. Yes. Yes. You couldn do chef. You still pushing for that? You're 

[01:54:14] Harris: still pushing for that handicap pass, man. I'm, yeah. 

[01:54:17] Mike: Yeah. You're like a fat imo. Yeah. You know, that's a terrible, like, uh, example of fat IMO has like skinny legs, bro. Big muffin top. He he has skinny legs.

[01:54:28] Yeah. A muffin top. You actually look like imo. 

[01:54:30] Harris: Well, the bottom part, skinny man is 

[01:54:32] Mike: fat. They're all fat because they have the bottom part swelling. One man, my thighs there, he has like kids' knees, you know? Yeah. You do have 

[01:54:38] Toliy: kids' knees. 

[01:54:39] Harris: Yeah. The first half for skinny man, the thighs are, Hey, these are final thoughts.

[01:54:44] Eldar: Okay? Sure. Mike saved you from maybe a grave lesson that you needed to learn, which you will still learn one day. Yeah. Yes. So don't worry. Don't worry. 

[01:54:54] Toliy: Stay, stay tuned. Tuned. Yes.

[01:55:00] Eldar: How do you feel that now you've bounced back? Give us some feedback on the fact that you've bounced back. Sure. You were in silence for a little while and you thought something too, some things through, but you've bounced back and now you're here. Well, that's just my 

[01:55:11] Harris: thing. Were you shouting for shotgun?

[01:55:12] Be honest. 

[01:55:13] All: Mm-hmm. 

[01:55:14] Harris: It's just my thing. It's the suffering silence, you know? 

[01:55:16] Eldar: No, but reflect on that. Silence a little bit. Reflect a little bit on the fact that like, okay, you went on that journey of, of being quiet and maybe feeling angry and, uh, those thoughts and stuff like that. Did they serve you? No. Did they give you what you wanted?

[01:55:29] Harris: No. Did you believe him? I mean, no. It should just, it's hard to understand what the fuck's going on in my head in those moments. In in those moments. Yeah. Because you got a hundred thoughts going a hundred miles an hour, but 

[01:55:41] Eldar: nonetheless, you dropped it, right? 

[01:55:42] Harris: Yeah. And you came back, you persevered. Yeah. I mean, I think, but in those moments, you got a hundred miles an hour.

[01:55:49] Fucking, but 

[01:55:50] Toliy: what, what happens other if you don't in, um, um, intervene, like you, you let the person go and like their, their anger path. 

[01:55:59] Harris: Um, I still come around. What happens? I mean, 

[01:56:01] Eldar: it just takes like, 

[01:56:02] Toliy: are you, are you doing that like a little bit to like save them like a little bit or you're trying to I'll just 

[01:56:07] Eldar: expedite their suffering.

[01:56:08] That's why I said the things that I said. 'cause I'm gonna say, look, truth of the matter is Look, look at this. We can do this. Let's expedite the fact that let's, let's just break up. Yeah. Or let's move on. Choose one. 

[01:56:20] Yeah. And I 

[01:56:21] always up the choose the same 

[01:56:22] Harris: one. Shoot up the place, or, or, or let's just move on.

[01:56:25] And I always choose the same one. Enough's 

[01:56:27] Eldar: enough. Gigs up. I know. Always shoot the same way. And that's good. And I think that that, that right there, if he continues to get conditioned to know how to properly navigate those waters, I think he's gonna get to the learning part faster and [01:56:40] faster. Yeah. And that's gonna be good.

[01:56:42] Yeah. Yeah. Because like, what are we talking about here? Like you, how many fuck you are gonna give me? Like how many fucking fake little red flags you're gonna give me? Yo. Either go get the gun and shoot up the fucking place, 

[01:56:52] Harris: or shut the fuck up. We'll move on. Enough is enough, right? Yo, be careful, man. What are we talking about here?

[01:56:59] Be careful, man, we're alive. No, no, no. But I'm saying like, what are we talking about here? 

[01:57:02] Eldar: Yeah. Either, either we go to the end, let's break up or not shoot up the place. Right. Move. Uh, you know, what is it Put in your resignation. You don't work here no more, yada, yada, yada. You know, we go our separate ways, right?

[01:57:15] Or we move on and the agenda is still the agenda. Which one is it? 

[01:57:22] I just expedite the process. What do you want? 

[01:57:26] And the truth of the matter is, I always think that I know how to talk to the voice of reason that's inside there somewhere deep inside I can cr make him crack a smile. I can, I can fuck around with him.

[01:57:37] And then he's like, all fuck, fuck it. I'm snapping out of this. This is enough. Enough. But, 

[01:57:41] Toliy: but you think if you don't do that, the what? The, the person, it'll 

[01:57:44] Eldar: just take longer. The person will come out of, it'll just take longer. Uh, yeah. Maybe a lot longer because 

[01:57:49] Toliy: they're not something them. The opportunity I give him the out.

[01:57:52] If 

[01:57:52] Mike: he didn't stop him, he would've gained 10 pounds over the weekend. 

[01:57:56] Toliy: Come on 

[01:57:56] Harris: man. 

[01:57:57] Mike: Wow. He has no, no, no faith in you. No faith. He has. This is who you have to fucking prove 

[01:58:01] Toliy: wrong. He doesn't believe in See, he doesn't believe in you at all. He doesn't, man doesn't believe in you. Wow. Doesn't even give you a shot.

[01:58:06] Yeah. Your first weekend on this diet, he doesn't give you a chance. Chance 

[01:58:09] Eldar: at all. Are you kidding me, man, bro, you see this guy? Oh, fuck you guys, man. We got a lot of money to win this weekend, man. UFC's coming up. Are you kidding me, man? 

[01:58:17] Toliy: Yeah. No faith, no belief in you. Yeah. Not even a smidge. 

[01:58:22] Mike: No. 10 pounds is good.

[01:58:23] Don't you say that. Give him a dirty look. 

[01:58:24] Toliy: Huh? Say something to him. Yeah. 

[01:58:27] Harris: You're not gonna try and get under my skin, man. 

[01:58:31] Toliy: You know why you're not doing that? 

[01:58:33] Harris: Why? 'cause it's 

[01:58:34] Toliy: ridiculous 

[01:58:37] Eldar: and you know it, you're not that dumb. Hi, your name is not Paul. My name's Paul, man. It's not, no, I'm legally change 

[01:58:45] Harris: it 

[01:58:45] Eldar: All right, fine.

[01:58:47] Can you do it? Paul Muhammad. Muhammad Ali? Sure. 

[01:58:50] Harris: Alright. 

[01:58:52] Eldar: Alright. Tys gave us his testimony, um, to, what was your final thoughts? 

[01:58:56] Toliy: Yeah, I mean, my, my, my final thoughts is that like yeah, like it's, it it always proves itself like time over time that, um, the person in the moment with attachment is not able to leverage like, um, the help around them.

[01:59:15] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:59:16] Toliy: Right. The reason. The reason. Mm-hmm. And even if they don't have that re reason, which, which is such an interesting thing, right? Because like even if you don't have the answer as to like, what needs to be said, what needs to be done, like whatever it is, right? Yeah. Um, if you, if, if you don't have that level of attachment or you don't like, attach yourself to really anything, like you can like, like that is a true way to hack things.

[01:59:48] Because like now you can leverage like, not your own mind, but you can leverage everyone else's knowledge and wisdom and understanding. 

[01:59:55] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:59:55] Toliy: But you're like, you think, like, like you think like you almost need to learn something, but like that's some that, that, that something is not like material text or information.

[02:00:07] Katherine: Yeah. Like, 

[02:00:08] Toliy: like, it's like you need to learn how to not have attachment to things in, in, in moments when you're making like decisions or doing things. But it's so paradoxical because it's like, it, it is like the, like it's, it, it's almost like an impossible task because you actually have that. 

[02:00:29] Katherine: Yeah. 

[02:00:29] Toliy: So trying to wi having wishful thinking that you're not gonna have it is probably just like a insanity, right?

[02:00:36] Yeah. Because like, you're gonna have it. Yeah. But it's such an interesting concept, be concept because like, you actually don't need to know anything. The only thing that you need to know. 

[02:00:46] Eldar: Is a, you know, nothing. 

[02:00:47] Toliy: Yeah, yeah. Like that. Yeah. Like that, that's what it actually is. Because then But 

[02:00:51] Eldar: can you lead with, with that, like the person knows 

[02:00:54] Toliy: like nothing Yeah.

[02:00:55] Doesn't have that attachment That's right. In the moment. 

[02:00:58] Harris: That's right. 

[02:00:59] Toliy: And then if you do that, you can get everything. You can, you can leverage everyone else around you yeah's like knowledge and understanding. Yeah. But, and never and, 

[02:01:09] Eldar: and never get hurt. 

[02:01:10] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like that, that to me is how I was tying it, trying, trying to figure out a way before is like, can you be conscious?

[02:01:19] Because when you're actually conscious, you can do the, you can get the opportunity to do those kinds of things, you know? Um, and then you pretty much bat a hundred in life by doing that, you know? 

[02:01:32] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:01:33] Toliy: Or, or, or, or, um, bat a thousand, right? Um, yeah. But I'm not sure if you can extend your consciousness without extending your, with, without acquiring more wisdom.

[02:01:46] Like, it, like, it's almost like, uh, the, the acquisition of like, of, of wisdom. Your reward is extended 

[02:01:53] Eldar: consciousness. Correct. I agree. And I'm gonna roll off of that. And uh, that just points to the fact that Harris, Mike, Katherine, Toley, myself, we all have lessons to learn about ourselves. And there are a lot of invisible attachments.

[02:02:10] Right. In your case, for example. I didn't write in the journal yet, but I will write this in the journal Right. When we were walking Right. I've noticed I almost felt like that I was walking, enjoying myself. And you were walking naked with everyone seeing your one inch dick. 

[02:02:26] Toliy: What? What the hell man? 

[02:02:28] Eldar: You six some 

[02:02:29] Harris: bitch.

[02:02:30] Okay. Uh, all right. 

[02:02:34] Mike: Don't you wanna ask for an elaboration, man? Would that help? Yeah. How do No, we had a 

[02:02:38] Harris: conversation about me worrying about what people think about when I, when I exercise and everything else. Correct. How people see me. Yeah. 

[02:02:44] Mike: Do you want us to get you one of those? Uh, hijab. 

[02:02:48] Eldar: Oh, the invisible cloaks.

[02:02:49] Mike: Yeah. When 

[02:02:49] Eldar: you put it on, they only see your eyes wrong with you, man. Huh? Yeah. Hijas. Hijabs. Habi. You wanna walk in the habi? No. They're gonna think that you're 

[02:02:57] Toliy: bikini. Yeah. You're gonna think 

[02:02:59] Eldar: they're gonna think that you're just an Arabic woman walking, losing weight. Fuck you man. What an Arabic woman.

[02:03:05] Fuck. You wanna try that? No. No. I think it's a good experiment. How would you, how would you actually feel? Nobody will know. Right? You come out of the car. Yeah. If you pull up you park, you are already in your outfit. Yeah. And you just What? Wait, what 

[02:03:17] Toliy: picture? Wait, what? Wait, what an experiment on what movie is this from?

[02:03:22] What movie is that from? Do you guys know that? What they did? This, the movie? 

[02:03:27] Harris: No. I watched one TV show's the only time. Not exactly, it's, I watched one TV show that there's only one time that I actually saw men dress in the hijab, Uhhuh. But it was only to blend in with their environment, Uhhuh. But they're really seal team members going in to kill a whole bunch of people.

[02:03:45] Oh, wow. Okay. So 

[02:03:46] Eldar: you can pretend you're doing that. No, I was 

[02:03:48] Toliy: talking about what movie is that? See, you find something. Really? Where where there, there's that. I'm not even sure if it's an actual person thing. It's not. But in the movie, I don't know if it gets treated like it is. It's just like a big thing of like long hair.

[02:03:58] What 

[02:03:58] Harris: the fuck? No, I don't know. This what? It's 

[02:04:00] Toliy: in some famous shit. Not, it's not like Star Wars. Uh, it's not a kid shit. No, it's in some famous shit. It's like a, just a, a long hairy, like fucking, like a dang thing. Yeah. 

[02:04:12] Harris: I don't know. Um, is it a movie? 

[02:04:14] Toliy: Oh, I just remember where it's in. Holy shit. It's in the Adams family.

[02:04:18] Do you remember that fucking hair thing? Oh my 

[02:04:20] Harris: God, man, I never watched that man. No, I never watched Adams family. What the fuck? How 

[02:04:23] Mike: did you watch Adam? That's 

[02:04:24] Toliy: cousin it cousin It, yeah, cousin it. Hold 

[02:04:27] Harris: on, I'll google it real 

[02:04:29] Eldar: quick. All Biff, so you know what this is. Oh my God. 

[02:04:35] Katherine: Yeah. 

[02:04:37] Eldar: We gotta 

[02:04:37] Katherine: get totally to watch like newer movies.

[02:04:39] Yes. This is crazy. Oh 

[02:04:41] Toliy: my 

[02:04:41] God. It just has hair color. Yeah, the movie just 

[02:04:43] like this. Imagine Harris 

[02:04:44] walking the track. 

[02:04:45] Fuck you, man. 

[02:04:47] Eldar: I lost my train of thought. What was I saying? You talking about a god one 

[02:04:51] Mike: inch dick in your journal. 

[02:04:53] Eldar: Oh, fuck you man. 

[02:04:54] Toliy: What you were talking about Ha Harris going from car to car.

[02:04:58] Like, 

[02:04:58] yeah. 

[02:04:59] Mike: Dressed in the hijab. 

[02:05:00] Eldar: You know, 

[02:05:00] Mike: I You dumb. How about him being conscious, how people look at him versus you? 

[02:05:04] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. So. What was I trying to tie that to though? Okay. Throw me off completely with the shh nonsense. With this Harry. With this Harry and hijab shit. Yeah. What did you say? What was your final thoughts?

[02:05:18] Because I was rolling off of that. 

[02:05:20] Toliy: Yeah, I was saying that like, if we don't have, um, like attachments, uhhuh, then we can leverage each other and like, like each other's minds. Yeah. Figure sh um, shit out. 

[02:05:33] Eldar: Yeah. I'm not gonna try it. Trying to remember what I was trying to say. I was always trying to roll off of what totally said.

[02:05:39] 'cause I thought, thought what you said was good. 

[02:05:41] Harris: You noticed when we were walking that I was more worried about what people Yeah. I was trying to, to tie that with making that 

[02:05:49] Eldar: example, the fact that you Right. Um, what specific people? Yeah. Yeah. You, you worried about certain things. You had a very specific, um, experience that he was having was completely outside of my experience.

[02:06:04] I was having an experience and he was completely, we were not together. You 

[02:06:07] Mike: observed this, 

[02:06:08] Eldar: I observed this. 

[02:06:09] Mike: Oh, I felt this. How'd you observe it? 

[02:06:10] Eldar: Well, I, I see it. He is like, you know, jittery and he's like, like this, you know, like, oh, he is like, uh, look around. Like there's gonna be a drive. I, 

[02:06:16] Harris: no bro. I'm more at a, I was like, uh, totally in that situation, you know?

[02:06:23] Yeah. I'm from that town. I know a lot of people. 

[02:06:28] Mike: Alright, so I got it. Mm-hmm. You have to walk around there at the track with no shirt on. 

[02:06:33] Eldar: Even better. That's 

[02:06:35] Mike: how.

[02:06:40] I wasn't joking. 

[02:06:41] Eldar: Yeah. Oh, you're dead serious. I'm serious. Yo, Harris, I got you. You know how to rebuttal him. That's not your realm. That's elder's realm. That's not your realm in, that's elder's realm. But I'll take a suggestion though. I like the suggestion take I know, I know, I know where he is going with that.

[02:06:56] Yeah. Um, all right. So, so whatever the fuck I wanted to tie into didn't work, 

[02:07:02] but just say you're tipsy. 

[02:07:06] Uh, definitely I'm tipsy. Okay, great. But, all right. Falling on the sword, allowing people to kind of go through that process. Super important. We realize that a lot of times we know that you know nothing, huh?

[02:07:18] Mike: Know that you know nothing. 

[02:07:20] Eldar: Yeah. Know that at the end of the day. Yeah. Know if you can carry that and trying to Yeah. Trying to try to pursue that a, a stance where, right. Where like, okay, cool. Like gonna try to go into these experiences knowing that I know nothing in order to be able to leverage different things, that's a superpower.

[02:07:35] Right. And I think that Socrates, the motherfucker was able to tap, tap into this shit. 

[02:07:39] Yeah. 

[02:07:40] You know, he actually knew all, I'm not gonna say that, but give him that kind of press. All the repercussions behind taking a stance of ego pride. Mm-hmm. Arrogance, knowing something. So he is like, yo, let me not do that.

[02:07:56] Let me prevent that from happening. Yeah. I think like, because he wants to learn. 

[02:07:59] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. I feel like he, he got to a point probably where he. Like valued and enjoyed learning so much. Yeah. That his, his only focus was like, like pro. Pro. Probably his main focus was to ensure that he'd never missed out.

[02:08:13] Eldar: Correct. 

[02:08:14] Toliy: You know? Yes. 

[02:08:15] Eldar: That he's always able to prolong that moment that he's talking about, of conscious awareness. 

[02:08:20] Toliy: But that's the paradox of, of, of learning. Yeah. What, what, what, what I was saying before is that as you acquire more information Yeah. You naturally know. 

[02:08:30] Eldar: Yes. 

[02:08:30] Toliy: So when you know now, if you actually know your job is to calibrate 

[02:08:35] Eldar: Yeah.

[02:08:35] Toliy: What level you're actually at. 

[02:08:38] Eldar: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. What you need to become is actually become sensitive to the pain of not being conscious. Mm-hmm. 

[02:08:47] Toliy: Yes. Yes. Yeah. And, and, and, and that's what I was saying before about, that's what I wanted to say, uh, uh, uh, about knowing that it's it habitual and not an actual desire.

[02:09:00] Yeah. 'cause to me it sounds way, way worse. Like, wait, you don't even want these kinds of things, like Yeah. This is just a habit of yours. 

[02:09:06] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:09:07] Toliy: Like, it sounds almost worse, right? 

[02:09:08] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. 

[02:09:10] Toliy: Because then you're not even like, like, like, like, like you're experiencing that, that movie click. Yeah. You're just fast forwarding Yeah.

[02:09:17] Through everything because you're already like every, like everything's already decided. Correct. It's a habit. 

[02:09:22] Eldar: Correct. 

[02:09:22] Toliy: And that's like the scariest thing, like 

[02:09:24] Eldar: that is the scariest thing. And I think that in anybody who taps it into that thought Yeah. Will scare themselves. Yeah. If they're doing that right now.

[02:09:31] Yeah. That is scary. 

[02:09:34] But since your name is Paul, you don't have to worry about it for now.

[02:09:41] You know what I'm saying? Or no? Yeah. So 

[02:09:44] those are my final thoughts. Anybody else have anything else regarding this topic? For the final thoughts? As always, I don't know. Every fucking time we, we do these things, it is an expansion of thought and expansion of mine to the point where it's like, it's so unique and so special that it's always special.

[02:10:00] At least that's what, that's the feeling that I get. 

[02:10:02] Katherine: It's so unique, so maybe so special that it's always special. Yeah. Well, you're, 

[02:10:06] Toliy: why is it it's, it's an advanced level of operating, which isn't like, 

[02:10:11] Eldar: it's like it's never ending, you know? Like it's never ending and it's like it's popping and it has its own like pop and it's so unique every time.

[02:10:18] So like, it never gets old, 

[02:10:20] Mike: that's why. So I always walked around talking to many people. 

[02:10:23] Eldar: Yeah. It's like it never gets old. 

[02:10:25] Mike: Yeah. Because you, you can tap in something else. 

[02:10:27] Eldar: Yeah. 

[02:10:27] Mike: When you're with at least one more person. 

[02:10:29] Eldar: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is very cool. So thank you for being a subject 

[02:10:34] Harris: as always, as 

[02:10:35] Eldar: always.