196. Causality

What if the constant anxiety plaguing your days isn't from real threats... but from illusions your mind creates? In this raw episode of Dennis Rox Podcast, hosts Eldar, Mike, Sergiy, and Toliy dive deep into "actual causality" — the hidden force behind stress, panic attacks, and self-sabotage. Drawing from personal stories, they unpack how one bad experience (like Sergiy's car repair trauma) can snowball into lifelong PTSD-like patterns, making you live in a future that never arrives. But here's the cliffhanger: What if one simple mindset shift could rewrite your brain's code forever? Listen to the end to find out — it might just save your sanity.

Key takeaways:

• Live in the present: Stop projecting unreal futures — as Sergiy notes, most fears "didn't even happen and most likely will not happen."
• Question correlations: Don't let one event define everything; challenge assumptions to break anxiety cycles.
• Seek help early: Trauma like childhood stutter (Toliy's story) or panic attacks can be rewired with therapy like CBT — don't wait.
• Avoid arrogance: Mike's insight: Ego drives wrong conclusions, leading to internal battles; humility is the key to peace.
• Build healthy habits: Balance sleep, diet, and exercise to support mental resilience, as discussed in the group's reflections.

Most insightful moment: Sergiy shares, "you're thinking about stuff that didn't even happen and most likely will not happen, but you're like, okay, it's gonna happen. It's gonna be bad. And now you're stressing yourself out in the current. So you're never living in the current, you're always living in the future, and you're always living under stress." This raw revelation hits hard, highlighting how self-made narratives fuel unnecessary suffering.

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Chapters

• 0:44 Correlation vs. Causation: Understanding Stress
• 4:44 Childhood Trauma and Its Long-Term Effects
• 12:39 The Role of Imagination in Anxiety
• 25:01 The Importance of Correct Correlations
• 39:48 Understanding Stress and Misconceptions
• 57:21 Mental Health and Seeking Help
• 1:09:07 The Importance of Sleep
• 1:28:42 The Importance of Therapy for Children
• 1:48:02 Final Thoughts and Reflections

Transcript

[00:00:00] Dennis: On this week's episode, 

[00:00:01] Sergiy: you're thinking about stuff that didn't even happen and most likely will not happen, but you're like, okay, it's gonna happen. It's gonna be bad. And now you're stressing yourself out in the current. So you're never living in the current, you're always living in the future, and you're always living under stress.

[00:00:13] Mike: That is the ultimate stress, living in opposition to the way the world works. You can't drop the ball and then get upset about it. Not going up. You can't, but that's what we're constantly doing. 

[00:00:25] Toliy: Yeah, but how does an average person realize that their subconscious, like thoughts or operations are causing them conscious pain by having a lot of pain.

[00:00:43] Eldar: All right, guys. Tonight's topic, the age old question of does all of our stress come from not knowing the causality of things, actual causality, right? And the famous quote, right? Correlation does not mean causation is known for that. It's because a lot of times we confuse things that are correlated to one another 

[00:01:11] Mike: mm-hmm.

[00:01:12] Eldar: For causality, and we live under that ignorance. And we, you know, I guess play around with a lot of perceptions about ourselves, about the world through that lens, through that correlation lens. Right. Um, Mike, maybe you can give us a personal example or other of somebody else where you, you, you know, you jump into a conclusion correlating certain things, but they're not necessarily true, you know, and then you pretty much set yourself up to this goose chase or chasing your own tail, trying to make sense of the world, trying to make sense of yourself, trying to make sense of your stress or your problems, right.

[00:01:51] By trying to correlate certain things that might have nothing to do with, uh, with the reality. I think that, um, the question is valid here. Where, uh, is it that we're just stupid or ignorant or not smart enough to be able to see causality? And that's why we are constantly under the stress or anxiety of, oh, I think this is this, this means that this means that, you know?

[00:02:16] Mm-hmm. You're constantly chasing your own tail trying to figure these things out, or creating these narratives that cause pain. Give me your example. Give everybody your example. What, what happened to you? 

[00:02:27] Mike: Um, 

[00:02:28] Eldar: give the audience some context. 

[00:02:29] Mike: Yeah. Well, about the, 

[00:02:31] Eldar: the watch. 

[00:02:32] Mike: The watch, yeah. So yesterday I was on my phone and I got a notification from, uh, like the health app on the smartwatch on the, from the smartwatch on my phone.

[00:02:42] And it says, there's been a change in your trend to your heart, resting heart rate. I'm like, okay, lemme go see what this is. So I go in. And it's saying like, Hey, for the past five days, your heart rate has increased, your resting heart rate. So obviously something has changed and the watch is telling me that something different.

[00:02:57] Right. And right away I start jumping into like, oh, is this good? Is this bad? I mean, obviously it's bad heart rate going up is not usually a good thing. 

[00:03:05] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:03:05] Mike: Usually. Well, 

[00:03:06] Eldar: sure. 

[00:03:07] Mike: You know, and, and this is what my thought, I'm like, okay, but 

[00:03:10] Eldar: well, one, one, you didn't know how significant it is to order to make a conclusion that it's actually bad.

[00:03:16] Yeah. Then you told me it went up by insignificant amount. It 

[00:03:18] Mike: just went out from like, uh, I could, I could pull up Totally. I'm curious now, but it went up from like, uh, like 

[00:03:24] Eldar: it didn't go from fucking 60 to fucking not a hundred, 

[00:03:27] Mike: you know what I 

[00:03:27] Eldar: mean? 

[00:03:27] Mike: No, no. It went, uh, I think it went from like, uh, 45 to like 49.

[00:03:35] I, 

[00:03:36] Sergiy: I shouldn't even tell you that shit, honestly. 

[00:03:38] Mike: Right. Yeah. Well, yeah. 

[00:03:40] Sergiy: If it's an insignificant amount, shouldn't warn you about it. Yeah. Like, because it would, even me, especially person who's like, I'm getting older and I'm like starting to pay attention to the shit. I'm like, if that gave it to me, I'm like, shit, my 

[00:03:51] Mike: diet, 

[00:03:51] I'm 

[00:03:51] Sergiy: going to the hospital.

[00:03:52] And at that point, 

[00:03:53] Mike: yeah, 

[00:03:53] Sergiy: it would cause my heart rate to go up because now I'm panicking. Thank you. You know? 

[00:03:56] Mike: Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't remember where I saw it. 

[00:03:59] Sergiy: A lot of things that I do is, uh, with, with the car stuff I project something doesn't, hasn't happened yet. Yeah. It happened once. 

[00:04:05] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:04:06] Sergiy: But now every times I, I go to work on the car, I'm thinking something's gonna fail.

[00:04:09] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:04:10] Sergiy: And it drives me nuts. And so every time I go into working on a car, I'm fucking nervous. 

[00:04:13] Eldar: Oh my God. 

[00:04:14] Sergiy: All the time. Because I'm thinking about something that will not happen most likely, but it could happen. There you 

[00:04:18] Eldar: go. This is, this is a very good example of he had one example mm-hmm. Where it did actually happen.

[00:04:23] Right. He now correlates that one example to this happening all the time going forward. 

[00:04:29] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:04:30] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:04:30] Eldar: And that's what we're talking about. That's a perfect example of saying that one example. Mm-hmm. Correlation of that thing. One thing yes. Does not mean the thousand cars that he worked on, that it's gonna have a thousand sample size and every time it's gonna be a fucking problem.

[00:04:44] Sergiy: My, my son is having that problem now. 

[00:04:46] Eldar: What 

[00:04:46] Sergiy: he puked a year ago, 

[00:04:48] Eldar: Uhhuh. 

[00:04:49] Sergiy: And while he puked to scare him so much that he thought he was dying, that after that, every time he would cough. He would think he was dying. So his heart rate would go up and he would go into panic attacks. Mm-hmm. So now he started thinking he's dying even more.

[00:05:01] Eldar: Oh God. 

[00:05:01] Sergiy: It stopped for a long time. 

[00:05:03] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:05:03] Sergiy: And now, while we're away from, uh, new Year's, he puked again. Uhhuh. And guess what? We, he's at doctors almost every day because we don't know what's going on with him. 

[00:05:11] Eldar: Oh. 

[00:05:11] Sergiy: Because my head hurts. Oh my. He's 

[00:05:13] Eldar: freaking 

[00:05:14] Sergiy: himself out. My stomach hurts. 

[00:05:15] Eldar: Oh my God. 

[00:05:16] Sergiy: And when I see, when he's trying to cough, he's trying to kind of hide his cough because mm-hmm.

[00:05:19] He's thinking that he's probably gonna puke. 

[00:05:21] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:05:21] Sergiy: And the automatically his brain turns on panic attack. 

[00:05:24] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:05:24] Sergiy: Just like I do with the cars. 

[00:05:26] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:05:26] Sergiy: And he panics. He starts to sweat. And at that point he goes, daddy, I wanna go sleep. So every night now around six o'clock instead of the seven, eight, he used to, he's very quiet.

[00:05:34] He goes, I wanna go sleep. I was like, why? I just wanna go sleep. Everything is annoying me. Don't be so loud. Everything is loud. 

[00:05:40] Eldar: Oh my goodness. 

[00:05:41] Sergiy: So now we're trying to fi figure out if it's mental. Yeah. Much likely. Which it is, because every single blood test so far has been passed. 

[00:05:46] Eldar: Fine, 

[00:05:47] Sergiy: fine. Everything's fine.

[00:05:48] Eldar: Physically he passed 

[00:05:48] Sergiy: physically every, I mean, the next thing would be brain scan or something, but everything else. 

[00:05:52] Eldar: Oh God. 

[00:05:52] Sergiy: But it, it happened the same year, same time a year ago. One time he threw up. Yeah. He thought he was, uh, dying. So, same thing with me. This happened to me literally 12 years ago and it still, 

[00:06:05] Eldar: it never happened again.

[00:06:07] Sergiy: Never happened again. It still haunts me, 

[00:06:08] Eldar: but it still haunts You 

[00:06:09] Sergiy: still haunts me if something gets close to it. 

[00:06:12] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:06:12] Sergiy: Even e Even if it, even if it, I thought it happened, but it didn't. 

[00:06:17] Eldar: Yeah, 

[00:06:17] Sergiy: bro. I lose my mind 

[00:06:18] Eldar: close. 

[00:06:18] Sergiy: Sure. Like I got better with it now. But 

[00:06:20] Eldar: yeah, 

[00:06:21] Sergiy: like for the, like maybe even a year ago until I learned how to like control it, bra would go crazy.

[00:06:28] I would start sweating pro profusely panicking. I was like, yeah, I just fucked up this thing. It's gonna cost me thousands of dollars to fix it. Oh my god, this person's gonna be pissed off. This car's gonna be stuck here and then doesn't happen. 

[00:06:40] Eldar: Sick 

[00:06:40] Sergiy: or I know how to fix it 

[00:06:41] Eldar: sick. 

[00:06:42] Sergiy: But I just fall into that and I always, before I start on the car, most of the time I think about that.

[00:06:47] Mm-hmm. Before even starting, so it kind of turns me even off sometimes. It's like, I don't wanna do it because it's because 

[00:06:52] Eldar: you're scared. Because of fear 

[00:06:53] Sergiy: me. '

[00:06:54] Eldar: cause of fear 

[00:06:54] Sergiy: stressing me out. 

[00:06:55] Eldar: Which is a, that's a normal response, obviously, if you're gonna, you know, go through that experience, you'd rather avoid it.

[00:07:00] Sergiy: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:07:00] Eldar: Why would you want to get at yourself into that? But 

[00:07:02] Sergiy: every time I go into it, there's a chance. 

[00:07:03] Eldar: There is a 

[00:07:04] Sergiy: chance. So I, a chance. 

[00:07:05] Eldar: But again, that's what we're talking about. That's what we're gonna try to talk about. The fact that like, one example out of a thousand should not be your. Cause of concern.

[00:07:13] You know what 

[00:07:14] Sergiy: I mean? Yeah. Like the baseline. Yeah. That, 

[00:07:15] Eldar: that's like, that's not enough sample here, you know? Mm-hmm. You know, that's not a, of course it's not correlated here, you know what I mean? So is our stress actually, mainly because we're so ignorant, or we can come up with these conclusions about the world from one or two samples, for example, let's just say like, oh, now this is this, this, this means this.

[00:07:32] You know? And that's a crazy example. And that now that like, unfortunately, I mean, not that it's unfortunate, but like now that it's passing on to your child, to your kid, uh, you have to make sense of it to yourself and then you have to make sense of it to him. 

[00:07:44] Sergiy: Yeah. The thing, 

[00:07:45] Eldar: you know, that that's not how the world is.

[00:07:46] Sergiy: But the interesting thing is that there are days or weeks where everything is fine and then something just like in my mind, or maybe I'm like maybe lack of sleep or something. I ate it just sometimes it's just extra that day. 

[00:08:01] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:08:01] Sergiy: Like sometimes I wake up and my. Like, um, like that, that part of me is extra that day and everything just feels like elevated.

[00:08:11] Elevated. Like that, like sensors are elevated for that particular problem. 

[00:08:15] Eldar: Hmm. 

[00:08:16] Sergiy: Sometimes I go into the car, it's like, eh, no problem. No problem. Easy. So sometimes it's just like I'm going in, it's like, yo, this is gonna fail. This could be bad. I don't know why. Like just 

[00:08:24] Eldar: totally, you could probably relate to the shit.

[00:08:26] Yeah. That sounds like anxiety, right? 

[00:08:27] Sergiy: Yeah. I mean, I do have an anxiety. Yeah. Yeah. But I, I think I, I, I think over these years, like many years I learned how to control it, but mm-hmm. It just randomly happens. Like, and it, it just piles. And if something else goes wrong, like, like I told you, like when a person says something to me, it just fucking scales.

[00:08:43] Mike: Yeah. It just seems get 

[00:08:44] Sergiy: 300%. But I 

[00:08:45] Mike: wonder if that's like, uh, what do you mean when you say I learned to control it? 

[00:08:50] Sergiy: Like, I know, like I'm get starting to get an anxiety. I was like, okay, it's not that serious. It only happened once or twice in 13 years, it'll be fine. I tell myself that and I calm down.

[00:08:59] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[00:08:59] Sergiy: But. Sometimes I don't even think about it. It's like, yeah, this is fine. This is another day at work. But sometimes it just out don't nowhere. It's like, you're gonna fail. Yeah. This is gonna be bad. And why? Like Yeah, it was a normal day. I woke up normally. Yeah. I'm going to do the same thing I do every single day for 13 years.

[00:09:14] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:09:15] Sergiy: And my, my brain kind of tells me, today I'm gonna mess with you and you're gonna have an anxiety. But I also feel like my anxiety starts in my stomach. Like if I don't have a good breakfast, 

[00:09:25] Eldar: well that's, that would be a good solution, right? Like, hey, just eat some breakfast and then, uh, anxiety 

[00:09:29] Sergiy: is gone.

[00:09:29] I noticed if I eat better breakfast, my anxiety is down. If I eat first, then I drink a coffee. My anxiety levels are down. But if I drink coffee and I don't eat, my anxiety levels are. 

[00:09:38] Eldar: Well, no. I mean, I know for a fact too, like empty stomach coffee, like to me, yeah. Caffeine is a, caffeine is a crazy thing.

[00:09:44] Sergiy: Accelerator. But I also run a caffeine all day. Drink a lot of caffeine. 

[00:09:48] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:09:49] Sergiy: But my anxiety is down during the day. If I eat a good breakfast. If I drink 

[00:09:53] Mike: coffee, he calms down like the Yeah, yeah. That's Numb yourself a little. Yeah. 

[00:09:57] Sergiy: Oh, your coffee man. Crazy. 

[00:09:58] Mike: But the anxiety thing, like, um, is it, is it like a 

[00:10:03] Sergiy: brains trying to, your brains trying to protect itself from 

[00:10:05] Mike: another stress?

[00:10:05] Is it like a, a long term of, well, to him it sounds like trauma. Yeah, bad trauma, but the trauma is that 

[00:10:12] Eldar: trauma due to like a unchecked for a long time taking on stress and, well, I don't think he processed the trauma properly, probably. 

[00:10:19] Mike: Mm. 

[00:10:19] Eldar: Right. Because like he never sat down with himself almost just to say, look, bro, like, it's not, it's never that serious.

[00:10:25] It's never gonna be that serious because number one, these things do happen. And he's not, he's a professional at this, at this race, you know, he knows his job. So you have to go off of like, I'm a professional and this is what it is. But if shit does happen. I'm gonna be okay because I've been through it, number one.

[00:10:40] Sure. It's a shit experience and I don't want to go through it, but we're gonna be all right. Like we're not gonna die. You know what I'm saying? So you, if you never had that kind of conversation with yourself Yeah. You're gonna have like PTSD. That's what he's having. Yeah. I have, 

[00:10:53] Sergiy: it's also almost like became a pet peeve.

[00:10:55] Like, I don't want to be problems. Like I don't want everything to be perfect. You know what I mean? You 

[00:10:59] Eldar: see, 

[00:10:59] Sergiy: like if I, but that's 

[00:11:00] Eldar: not a realistic 

[00:11:01] Sergiy: mindset, but it's not, it's not a realistic mindset. But because I want it to be so perfect and if something goes wrong, it drives me nuts. 

[00:11:06] Mike: Yeah. But that's an attachment to perfection's.

[00:11:09] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:11:09] Mike: I think that it's like a not natural to have the anxiety. It's because like mm-hmm. The stress is still there. Yeah. But you just learn how to keep it dormant. Uhhuh, but it's still thriving and you just don't know it. It's like in the background, it's floating by. 

[00:11:23] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:11:24] Mike: But you became so good at like not paying attention to the signals.

[00:11:27] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:11:27] Mike: The pain receptors. 

[00:11:28] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:11:29] Mike: You just, um, 

[00:11:30] Eldar: well, that's why I say I, I just deal with it or I try to control it. But ultimately you become a, a crazy control freak, right? Yeah. He wants to make sure that everything goes perfect. Why? Because he knows that if everything's perfect, I'm controlling that beast.

[00:11:41] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:11:42] Eldar: It's right around the corner. 

[00:11:43] Mike: But the thing is you're not actually controlling anything. 

[00:11:45] Eldar: Well, no. 

[00:11:45] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:11:46] Eldar: You are actually just like, yeah. You're just ramping up in your own, in your own head. 

[00:11:50] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:11:51] Eldar: But ultimately it is, again, it's the wrong causality. It's wrong understanding of what causes what? 

[00:11:57] Mike: Well, I think the wrong, like if I think if we break down, what is it, what does it mean to be, uh, to have like a wrong causality or the correlation is incorrect.

[00:12:07] Yeah. It's you're being, uh, you have a wrong perception of what the truth of the situation is. 

[00:12:13] Sergiy: Correct. You're trying to predict something that hasn't happened yet. 

[00:12:16] Mike: Yeah. Or that Yeah. Or that, right? 

[00:12:17] Sergiy: Yeah. Like when I know I, I mean, I've been playing around with this problem. 

[00:12:21] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:12:21] Sergiy: And when I live in the current, 

[00:12:24] Mike: in the moment, 

[00:12:24] Sergiy: in the moment, I live perfect life.

[00:12:26] Everything is nice. I start thinking about the future. 

[00:12:29] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:12:30] Sergiy: Like what is gonna happen? 

[00:12:31] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:12:31] Sergiy: That's when all this stuff happens. 

[00:12:33] Toliy: Oh, yeah. I think, like, 

[00:12:34] Sergiy: I predict something that hasn't happened, that's 

[00:12:35] Eldar: gonna happen. This is a very good point too. We, let's definitely get into that, but go ahead. Totally. 

[00:12:38] Toliy: Yeah.

[00:12:38] No, I, 

[00:12:39] Eldar: that's an 

[00:12:39] Toliy: interesting point. I feel like an, an anxiety is like a, uh, like a, like a, I don't know, incorrect or however you wanna call it, like a imagination. Like you have the ability to like imagine and create these different scenarios and then you live them out 

[00:12:54] Eldar: in the future, 

[00:12:55] Toliy: and then you, you like suffer before even something happens.

[00:12:59] That's 

[00:12:59] Sergiy: what I'm saying. Yeah. 

[00:12:59] Toliy: Yeah. You know? 

[00:13:00] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:13:00] Toliy: But you're making up a scenario that you're suffering. 

[00:13:03] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:13:03] Toliy: Rather than like, okay, if it happens, then you suffer it, and then Okay, fine. 

[00:13:06] Sergiy: Yeah. Yeah. So mm-hmm. 

[00:13:07] Toliy: But you, you know, 

[00:13:08] Sergiy: that's what I said. Live in the present. You don't suffer. You live in the future thinking about what's gonna happen.

[00:13:13] Yeah. You start suffering because you're thinking about stuff that didn't even happen. 

[00:13:16] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:13:17] Sergiy: And most likely will not happen, but you're like, okay, it's gonna happen, it's gonna be bad. And now you're stressing yourself out in the current, so you're never living in the current, you're always living in the future.

[00:13:24] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:13:25] Sergiy: And you're always living under stress. 

[00:13:27] Mike: But is that like a sign of that you living like some kind of, um, just a size of idiot?

[00:13:36] Is it like a, like a, there's a imbalance in between, within you, like where Mm. Yeah. I guess probably that, that wrong perception of what's happening or having this, uh, thing, this imagination. It's because you're not living in accordance to how you maybe wanna live or you are. Like, there's some kind of internal violation, 

[00:14:00] Eldar: but he understands it because he has both experiences.

[00:14:02] He says, when I'm in the moment, I'm focused. None of this stuff touches me. 

[00:14:06] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:14:06] Eldar: Which I agree with. This is what you're supposed to be doing. Right. As soon as I start thinking about the future or the past, right. Then he is not in the moment. That's when all the stress comes in. 

[00:14:15] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[00:14:16] Eldar: I mean, he understands this.

[00:14:17] Mike: Yeah. But then does, why, why does he get into the zone of thinking about the future or the present? That's question. 

[00:14:24] Toliy: Oh, it's like a nervous system. Like, like a messed up, uh, 

[00:14:27] Sergiy: nervous how sometimes you have dejavu. Sure. Dejavu happens in, in my stuff all the time. I'm working on the car. I worked on the car 12 years ago.

[00:14:36] It failed that time. As I'm approaching this car to work on this car, dejavu happens. 

[00:14:42] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:14:42] Sergiy: I see that moment reliving it again. 

[00:14:45] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:14:46] Sergiy: That it's about, it might happen again. And there's a trigger in my brain that turns on, it elevates my heart rate and it's like, okay, this might be the bad one. You know?

[00:14:54] Yeah. And if something just slightly goes imperfect, even a code that tells me I have failed, failed to write this computer 

[00:15:01] Eldar: mm-hmm. 

[00:15:01] Sergiy: While it was just internet was wrong. 

[00:15:04] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:15:04] Sergiy: But because it wrote me that message right away, boom. Everything dominoes. 

[00:15:07] Eldar: Domino 

[00:15:08] Sergiy: effect. Domino effect. Everything is failing. I'm done.

[00:15:11] You know, da da da. And then I come to census, I check it and everything goes okay. It's fine now. Mm-hmm. But for that moment, I'm believe through hell. And it doesn't happen all the time, but it happens like this. Do you 

[00:15:21] Eldar: like it? 

[00:15:22] Sergiy: I hate it, but part of who I am, like I tried to work on it. So I said for a while, I lived in the moment and I just didn't think about anything that's gonna happen.

[00:15:31] Like if it happens, it happens. 

[00:15:32] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:15:33] Sergiy: If it breaks, it breaks. And I live a good life, but somehow some, somewhere, somehow my computer, my brain resets again. And it sometimes again. That's interesting. Brings it back. 

[00:15:41] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:15:42] Toliy: I have the same exact thing with like my, like fam family when I would like call like my mom.

[00:15:46] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:15:47] Toliy: And she didn't pick up the phone right away. I'm like, she's dead. 

[00:15:50] Sergiy: Yeah. My mom has that. If I don't pick up the phone, she thinks I'm dead. 

[00:15:53] Toliy: Yeah. Nothing old 

[00:15:54] Eldar: moms have 

[00:15:54] Toliy: that. What happen? And, and then like, my grandma calls, except that he's not 

[00:15:57] Eldar: a mom. 

[00:15:58] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:15:58] Toliy: And then my, my grandma would call me and be like, Hey, have you spoken to mom today?

[00:16:03] Sergiy: Oh yeah. That's for you. Crazy. 

[00:16:06] Toliy: I'm ready, I'm ready to drive there. I'm like, it doesn't matter where like, I like there. My life cannot continue until I. Like, remove this feeling. 

[00:16:14] Sergiy: Yeah. You're attacked by umbilical cord. Crazy. Yeah. Yeah. No, I, it plays a lot of, I think part of life is like controlling your mind 'cause it could go places.

[00:16:25] Eldar: Yeah. And the ones that definitely don't serve us, obviously it doesn't feel 

[00:16:28] Toliy: good's, anxiety. They common sense is that like, like at that time its not like, oh, someone's just busy. They're not picking up. Mm-hmm. Someone's talking to somebody else. They're not picking up. 

[00:16:36] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:16:36] Toliy: Someone's, I don't know, working.

[00:16:37] They're not picking up. Yeah. No, someone's dead. 

[00:16:39] Mike: Did they say? But how does, how does like one person, for example, have this thing? Mm-hmm. And another person does, doesn't like. How does somebody develop this kind of thing? 

[00:16:48] Sergiy: I probably from d like it in our DNA or something. Probably people survived. Back in the day, if you didn't have this and back in the day, you'd be dead if you're a caveman and you didn't have, you know, memory of something bad that happened to you before.

[00:16:59] Eldar: Yeah. But then it's also, it's almost to say that like, yeah, okay. Like 

[00:17:02] Sergiy: it really a stress hormones. I'm sure like when that happens to me, I could perform some crazy physical activities like my stress level, my, the hormone stress level hormones are crazy. Start sweating. You. 

[00:17:12] Eldar: Sweating, you're talking about survival.

[00:17:13] Sergiy: Yeah. I'm saying we, we have that from ancestors. Uhhuh, when it used to happen to them, if they didn't have this and them, they wouldn't survive. And now we're just, now we're, we still have it enough so it comes out and it's ruining our life because we now have live in houses, cars, everything is perfect.

[00:17:32] But that part of us from back in the day when we were cavemen. Still, you know, it's still in our dna. NA 

[00:17:37] Yeah. 

[00:17:37] Mike: But how come some people have that and some people didn't. 

[00:17:39] Sergiy: Some people are just probably completely fucking, 

[00:17:41] Mike: they're too retarded to understand, 

[00:17:42] Sergiy: learn how to control. Exactly. Some people control.

[00:17:44] No, I feel like it's 

[00:17:45] Toliy: like a, like a, a nervous system or like, like imbalance in your body that like, there's like, like, it's like trauma paired with like, like a, like a nervous system of like a lot of worry or like stress. 

[00:17:58] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[00:17:58] Toliy: And then you don't have the ability to process that kind of information. Okay.

[00:18:02] Like, like you don't have the ability to process those, 

[00:18:04] Mike: but are you still experiencing the same stuff as you used to? 

[00:18:07] Toliy: Um, no. Not those examples. No. Not, not, not on that level. But also it's like as you do more positive things for yourself mm-hmm. And as you like, change your life 

[00:18:20] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:18:20] Toliy: And you develop better habits.

[00:18:22] You I think restore more balance and your whole body gets healthier and you feel better. Mm-hmm. And you have better opportunities to like then think correctly and then to do things correctly. But if you have like trauma paired with like high stress, like your nervous system is like this, you know 

[00:18:39] Sergiy: that trauma, the 

[00:18:40] Toliy: trauma 

[00:18:40] Mike: is a response 

[00:18:41] Toliy: that 

[00:18:41] Mike: you yourself develop.

[00:18:44] Sergiy: But not always. There's some trauma from a childhood course. Sure. Like, 

[00:18:48] Eldar: no, but I think it is developed. I think Mike is right. It's nonetheless you developed it. Right? Like, and you're the one either choosing to feed it or not. Yeah. Like your son is gonna go through that now. Yeah. You, your, your job as a dad is 

[00:18:59] Sergiy: to 

[00:18:59] Eldar: un convince him as much as possible.

[00:19:01] Sergiy: That's what I tried to do. Yeah. 

[00:19:02] Eldar: You know what I'm saying? '

[00:19:03] Sergiy: cause I know what happened to me. So I tried to tell you, it's hard because he's a kid. Of course. He's a little baby and he's like, eh, what you're saying to me, you know? 

[00:19:09] Toliy: Yeah. He doesn't understand. 

[00:19:10] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:19:10] Toliy: Whatever. But I like e uh, especially when I was younger, like I had a really bad, um, stutter.

[00:19:16] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:19:17] Toliy: For me, that was like crazy trauma my whole life. Like reading class, presenting like you're in school presenting or having to read out loud. Oh 

[00:19:24] Sergiy: yeah. Turn it red. 

[00:19:25] Toliy: Turn red. 

[00:19:26] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:19:27] Toliy: Like, it, like, like that to me is like forever. Forever. Like, like, and I'm on client calls like all day. Like, I don't even think about that.

[00:19:33] Like at all. At all. Zero. Yeah. Zero. But Cole would say, right? Like, I 

[00:19:38] Eldar: kid just started 

[00:19:38] Sergiy: that fucking, he used started a lot. 

[00:19:40] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:19:40] Sergiy: Not anymore. I haven't noticed. 

[00:19:41] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:19:42] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:19:43] Toliy: No, it, it was, it was, I, I traumatizing. I still do it, but as a kid it was, it was, it was also bad because like one I would get made fun of for, for it, and then two, like, 

[00:19:52] Sergiy: then it would amplify, even 

[00:19:53] Toliy: in morning it would amplify.

[00:19:54] And now I'm even like thinking about it like, oh, today's English class are gonna read today. 

[00:19:59] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:20:00] Sergiy: Yeah. It was like read. So you already predicted was gonna have, prepare 

[00:20:03] Toliy: yourself and, and 

[00:20:04] Eldar: like 

[00:20:04] Toliy: the teacher would typically just 

[00:20:05] Eldar: pick randomly? Yeah. So there's, there's like 30 kids in a class. I may not even get chosen.

[00:20:10] I had the same problem. I had the same anxiety. You did, but I didn't have it for stuttering. I had it for English. 

[00:20:15] Sergiy: For English. 

[00:20:16] Eldar: You understand? We're immigrants. 

[00:20:18] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:20:18] Eldar: You know what I'm saying? Your English is bad. Yeah. You didn't have this Me and search body did happen. Right. Course. 

[00:20:23] Sergiy: They always put me in the back of the class.

[00:20:24] They're 

[00:20:24] Eldar: like, yeah. I'm like, yo, I don't wanna fuck read. My shit's fucked up. Like, I don't understand what I'm reading, why I'm laughing at you. Yeah. Kids might be laughing at my accent and shit like that. That's what I had. Yeah. I had that same fucking fear. Yeah. I, I was like hiding to fucking be called that, like, 

[00:20:35] Sergiy: yeah, yeah.

[00:20:36] Eldar: Don't look at me. You know what I mean? Like Yeah. 

[00:20:38] Sergiy: That was the anxieties, the number one thing I cut my school. I hated that cut at school. I didn't go to school. 

[00:20:42] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:20:43] Sergiy: For that reason, because I was like, I don't wanna be made fun of if I don't want everybody to look at me. 

[00:20:46] Eldar: Correct. 

[00:20:47] Sergiy: Any different, 

[00:20:48] Toliy: no. I was already made fun of, and there, there, there was a couple of kids I remember, and especially in this one, one year, they knew that I did not wanna read.

[00:20:55] Eldar: Yeah. All 

[00:20:56] Toliy: right. And they, and I, I forgot the teacher's name. They were like. Why isn't totally reading today? 

[00:21:01] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:21:02] Toliy: Oh yeah. Be like, what the fuck? You know what 

[00:21:04] Eldar: bitch ass? 

[00:21:05] Mike: Why putting me on the spot? 

[00:21:06] Toliy: They're trying, they're doing it intentionally because they already see how like nervous and like how I feel.

[00:21:11] How do you know how they 

[00:21:11] Mike: weren't trying to help you out, man. Yeah. Or 

[00:21:13] Toliy: man, 

[00:21:14] Mike: I dar would be like, yeah, yeah, man, get, 

[00:21:16] Toliy: get So like that would amplify it crazy. And I, but I definitely, like, my whole life I was traumatized from, from that and like, all of that led to again, like, like poor, like a nervous system.

[00:21:28] Like 

[00:21:28] Sergiy: Yes. 

[00:21:29] Toliy: All kinds of imbalances. And then like that spilled into other things. Oh, of 

[00:21:32] Sergiy: course that spills, 

[00:21:33] Toliy: you know, too. But yeah, like, it's like, that's like a hard thing that at, at that time it was, 

[00:21:38] Sergiy: you heard they have some kind of therapy now where they could have raised you old bad memories. 

[00:21:43] Eldar: Oh, Elon got that.

[00:21:43] Elon got that 

[00:21:44] Sergiy: on your own. I don't know. Just, yeah, I don't know who said it. They said we could completely delete your bad memory. The star 

[00:21:50] Eldar: shit. Yeah. 

[00:21:51] Sergiy: So that way you don't have any of that. I, I heard Ayahuasca does that too. That's 

[00:21:54] Eldar: crazy. I mean, I think enough drugs will do it. 

[00:21:57] Sergiy: No, but Ayahuasca like, gives you, like, you need, you want old windows escalation and a new one.

[00:22:02] Select. 

[00:22:03] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:22:04] Sergiy: I mean, I, I mean, some of the things I would delete, I think. Like bad memories. 

[00:22:10] Eldar: I, I think that, you know, part of maturing and growing up is that, you know, you make sense of these things and you try your best to think these things through, talk about them, right? And then next time when you do approach that car, you know, you have an outlet.

[00:22:21] You have a way of like, because what are we doing 

[00:22:23] here? 

[00:22:23] Sergiy: It causes a lot of people, me, including, besides that other things. You could, 

[00:22:26] Eldar: yeah, 

[00:22:26] Sergiy: it, it, it'll, it ruins a lot of things in your life. 

[00:22:29] Eldar: This is, what are we talking about? 

[00:22:30] Sergiy: You cannot make, you cannot make the leap of faith sometimes. Correct. 'cause of that.

[00:22:34] Like an opportunity. New 

[00:22:35] Eldar: opportunities. You 

[00:22:35] Sergiy: won't go no opportunities. Like, hell no, I'm not going to New York City to meet with this guy in this building. Hell no. 

[00:22:41] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:22:41] Sergiy: And if I do make it like I did with your sister, I made it there. And when they gave me this question, bro, I froze. I couldn't answer it.

[00:22:46] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:22:47] Sergiy: Because I was all, the entire time, I was on the stress, on the 

[00:22:50] Eldar: stress, 

[00:22:50] Sergiy: anxiety, insane amount of anxiety. 

[00:22:51] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:22:52] Sergiy: Once they start asking me a question, although I had an answer, I just froze. I looked at them straight like this and everything disappeared. It just so a tunnel in front of me. 

[00:22:58] Eldar: Yeah. And 

[00:22:59] Sergiy: they're like, what the fuck is this guy?

[00:23:02] Eldar: Yeah. You know? Yeah. 

[00:23:02] Sergiy: You know, in front of this crazy law firm, you know? 

[00:23:05] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:23:05] Sergiy: But it happened to me many times. Like, sir, it's come in for a work interview and anxiety kicks in. I was like, I don't wanna be in front of 

[00:23:13] Eldar: Did you send me to that interview? Because you had anxiety 

[00:23:15] Sergiy: Where 

[00:23:15] Eldar: that one time 

[00:23:16] Sergiy: where, where, where 

[00:23:17] Eldar: you sent me to Hackensack.

[00:23:19] That one time you are like, yo, elder, go do the interview for this company. They want SEO work. Go do it for me. And I was like, I'll do it. No problem. 

[00:23:25] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:23:25] Eldar: Did you have anxiety? I have 

[00:23:26] Sergiy: anxiety all the time. I have a lot of anxiety too. 

[00:23:28] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:23:29] Sergiy: Uh, I have anxiety. 

[00:23:29] Eldar: You didn't say that you had anxiety, you just said like, yeah, I'm busy or 

[00:23:31] Sergiy: whatever.

[00:23:32] Yeah. Yeah. I, I have, I have anxiety with around people. 

[00:23:34] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:23:34] Sergiy: Especially new people. 

[00:23:35] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:23:36] Sergiy: When I was younger. 

[00:23:37] Eldar: But you a fucking social butterfly when you get comfortable. 

[00:23:39] Sergiy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I was younger, uh, I would, I would go into such a crazy anxiety that I would lose my vision. 

[00:23:46] Eldar: Oh, wow. 

[00:23:46] Sergiy: Everything would become blurry.

[00:23:47] Eldar: Sure. 

[00:23:48] Sergiy: Yeah. Uh, especially around, 

[00:23:50] Eldar: and you know, after that, after that, especially 

[00:23:51] Sergiy: around hot chicks, 

[00:23:52] Eldar: you know, after that, you know, after that interview, I don't know if I was nervous or not, but I had to take up crazy shit. 

[00:23:56] Sergiy: Yeah. You told me, 

[00:23:56] Eldar: I told you this. I was driving, I was driving, driving back. Took a shit in the parking lot, bro.

[00:24:00] Yeah. In the car, 

[00:24:03] Sergiy: the back. Yeah. I 

[00:24:04] Eldar: was crazy. 

[00:24:05] Sergiy: I mean, I mean, we were young trying to make it to the country, you know, we came and 

[00:24:09] Eldar: yeah. 

[00:24:10] Sergiy: We're trying to, our things. I mean, I remember this like, when I see younger kids now, it's like 

[00:24:13] Eldar: 20 years old. 

[00:24:14] Sergiy: I respect it. Like some kids I work with in my field and they're young and they're huling like, you know, just keep doing it, you know?

[00:24:19] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:24:20] Sergiy: Don't give up because it's not gonna happen today. 

[00:24:22] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:24:22] Sergiy: It will happen at 20 years, but in 20 years you're gonna live a good life. 

[00:24:25] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:24:26] Sergiy: You know? For fact, if everybody could do it, everybody you know, 

[00:24:28] Eldar: would be doing 

[00:24:29] Sergiy: it. Every, everybody would be. It takes this special few people who, who have, who could handle all this shit.

[00:24:34] I mean, we've done stupid 

[00:24:35] Eldar: so much shit. Yeah. 

[00:24:36] Toliy: Now 

[00:24:37] Sergiy: cheap. 

[00:24:37] Toliy: They just put people, what's called people on like meds. That's it. 

[00:24:40] Eldar: Yeah. I mean, yeah. We're trying to make sense of this, right? I mean, this philosophy club, this is what we're trying to make sense of. Like our psych psychology, how does this work world works?

[00:24:48] Why do we experiencing these things, right? Uh, is it correct? And if they're not really serving us, what should we do? And that's what it is. I think that, and in this case, and in a lot of cases of, you know, correlation does not mean causation. Um, you have to get smarter. You actually have to do some digging and find out what's actually correlated and what's not.

[00:25:08] Mm-hmm. So you can make sound conclusions about the world, about yourself. Mm-hmm. And the reality and how you fit in into it. Otherwise, you're gonna have, uh. A very good, interesting mind that creates pictures that are, are non-existent. Right. Anxieties, panic attacks, and all this other stuff that's just gonna run amuck.

[00:25:28] Sergiy: Well, our brain is a computer. Right. It creates reality. Like, it's like a program. It could create like, like we create things that don't do, haven't happen in our brain. 

[00:25:37] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:25:38] Sergiy: Because it's, 

[00:25:38] Eldar: well, we imagine them necessarily. 

[00:25:40] Sergiy: Well, imagination. Imagination is you're creating something hasn't happened. 

[00:25:45] Eldar: Sure. 

[00:25:46] Sergiy: What all the imaginations, all the things we have in the world, all of these computers, everything is somebody's imagination.

[00:25:50] Eldar: Well, the one thing is that's imagination and put, then work was put 

[00:25:54] into 

[00:25:54] Sergiy: it 

[00:25:55] Eldar: creating in a positive way. And that's why you have what you have. 

[00:25:56] Sergiy: Like, I also personally work much better under high stress. 

[00:26:00] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:26:00] Sergiy: If, if I'm like under high stress, I will perform, I could complete things that would take me months and, and a day.

[00:26:07] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:26:07] Sergiy: But if I'm just chilling and I'm feeling good, it could take me forever to do it. 

[00:26:11] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:26:11] Sergiy: But if the stress is my anxiety's through the roof, I, I work like that for many years. Anxiety through the roof. Stress through the roof. I'm completing everything fast on time. Perfect. As soon as I start to relax.

[00:26:24] Things start to get lazy. Don't wanna do this, don't wanna do that. Comfortable. But I think that also comes with age. 

[00:26:30] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:26:31] Sergiy: Like the more money you make, you also become more comfortable in terms of like things I don't wanna do no more. 

[00:26:35] Eldar: You have a choice. 

[00:26:37] Sergiy: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. After that, like now I have a cleaning lady.

[00:26:39] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:26:39] Sergiy: You know, before I would change my own breaks and oil. 

[00:26:43] Eldar: Do you choose, do you choose the outfit that she wears when she cleans the house? 

[00:26:45] Sergiy: I wish I did actually. No. I have a guy now. He used to be two, four ladies. Oh. Now it's a guy working for us. 

[00:26:53] Eldar: That's kind of a little bit suspect. No. 

[00:26:55] Sergiy: Suspect 

[00:26:57] Eldar: A guy cleaning your house.

[00:26:58] Yeah. What the fuck? The kind of shit is this? Yeah. Is it all Chen? 

[00:27:03] Sergiy: He actually looks like exactly like Oleg. 

[00:27:05] Eldar: Oh my God. 

[00:27:06] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:27:07] Eldar: Alright, so what do you guys think? Is it, is it like the culprit of all our stress and all our suffering? That we actually are just dumb and that we say that this one thing is correlated with this?

[00:27:16] Sergiy: Yeah. We're, well, we're 

[00:27:17] Eldar: allowed. We're just not smart. 

[00:27:18] Sergiy: Yeah. We're, we're just think. We're just, yeah. I think we're not living in the present. 

[00:27:21] Mike: I think, 

[00:27:21] Sergiy: uh, we're living in the future. Always. 

[00:27:23] Mike: I think we, we spoke about this like, um, I think I mentioned to you a couple days ago, um, fuck, I, I blanked out again on the, on the thought, but 

[00:27:33] Eldar: mm-hmm.

[00:27:34] Maybe it's the high blood pressure that you're having right now. 

[00:27:36] Mike: It's very possible. The, 

[00:27:37] Eldar: the three, the three higher than usual. 

[00:27:39] Mike: Yeah. It's, um, not, uh, to me it sounds like it's not understanding the way the world works. 

[00:27:45] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:27:45] Mike: And then I remember what it was, the process of what's actually happening in those correlations to causations.

[00:27:52] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:27:53] Mike: Maybe it's primitive. I don't know. Maybe search can explain it, you know, the biology behind it. 

[00:27:57] Eldar: Mm-hmm. But. 

[00:27:59] Mike: A thing that I think most people need to do is always to make sense of any information that's coming in. So that information came in right to my phone or whatever, and uh, maybe we're wired or whatever.

[00:28:15] We need to make sense of the information and we don't try to see what the truth is of the situation. We just look for answers right away. We're for conclusion. It's nervous. Yes. We, the thing is people don't like open-ended shit. Mm-hmm. We need to have 

[00:28:30] Eldar: an explanation. 

[00:28:31] Mike: An explanation. The way we're like Totally.

[00:28:33] I think said this many times. We're scared of the unknown. Mm-hmm. 

[00:28:35] Eldar: And 

[00:28:36] Mike: that's scared that fear of the unknown 

[00:28:38] Sergiy: has to make 

[00:28:38] Mike: sense. It draws us to, it draws us. But who's scared of 

[00:28:41] Eldar: the 

[00:28:41] Sergiy: unknown? 

[00:28:42] Mike: The ego, the person ego. Uh, well that's a good, that's a good question. Yeah. The person who doesn't actually know how the world works or respect how the world works.

[00:28:50] Sergiy: I don't think there's ego. I don't have ego anymore. I think I left my ego 10 years ago. 

[00:28:54] Eldar: Well, 

[00:28:54] Sergiy: I'll 

[00:28:54] Eldar: see about 

[00:28:55] Sergiy: that. This might be topic. No, I swear to God, I have no ego whatsoever. I used to have it. It's gone. I'll let it go. 

[00:29:00] Eldar: Maybe, maybe the way we're trying to explain like what's going on here. Like, think about this, what, what Mike is saying is that a lot of times we as people don't want open-ended things.

[00:29:09] Right? We don't want No, no. We wanna make 

[00:29:11] Sergiy: sense of everything. Yeah. 

[00:29:11] Eldar: We wanna make sense of everything, but who's trying to That's how I am. But that's the thing. Who's trying to make sense of it and why? 

[00:29:17] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:29:18] Mike: And why 

[00:29:18] Eldar: can't you say, you know what? I don't know. I don't know this, I don't know that it's okay to not to know.

[00:29:23] Mike: Right. But who's not, 

[00:29:25] Sergiy: not knowing you if you're curious person. 

[00:29:27] Mike: No, but it's not curiosity. Not curiosity. It's a, it's a nervous, anxious behavior. You, you're not looking for answers. Like, Hmm. All right, well, let's see. Let me think about it. You, that moment when you get that information. You are like a cow without a head.

[00:29:39] I mean a chicken without a head. You are a retard. You're going crazy. Why is this telling me careful that word. What is going No, we're It's back approved. 

[00:29:45] Eldar: Yeah, approved. I know that heard for the next couple years. 

[00:29:48] Mike: Yeah. Until they banned it again, you start going crazy, trying to figure out like anytime.

[00:29:52] Think about it, you know, if you ever got bad information right. Or bad information or information that you couldn't understand right away, you're not thinking, oh wow, this is great. My heart rate went higher. Yeah. Or Oh wow, this is great. Yeah. Right away you get to panic and you start thinking 

[00:30:07] Sergiy: self, 

[00:30:07] Mike: you're not looking for the actual truth, you're just looking for a, uh, something to hold onto.

[00:30:12] Yeah. And I think, 

[00:30:13] Sergiy: well, that's what I said before. We used to self preserve ourselves with this kind of stuff. Mm-hmm. Back when we were caveman. 

[00:30:22] Mike: Sure. Mm-hmm. 

[00:30:22] Sergiy: Those things. We needed those things that we have now that Sure. But being anxious. But we're 

[00:30:27] Eldar: developing. Don't you agree? Yeah. 

[00:30:29] Sergiy: We're developing 

[00:30:29] Eldar: evolution.

[00:30:30] Sergiy: We're try. Yeah. But, but because those things are carrying on, it's a part of our DNA and it's hard to control because you cannot really re rewrite your DNA. It's part of your, it's part of you. 

[00:30:40] Eldar: Well then now you're talking about electrician stuff. Now you're trying to fold, fold up shop. No, I actually think that we can evolve.

[00:30:47] Sergiy: No, we could, we could control it. We 

[00:30:48] Eldar: can definitely 

[00:30:48] Sergiy: control certain things. Like I said, when I, when I told myself. This week, I'm living in the moment. I'm not thinking about the past. I'm not paying, I'm not thinking about the future. I'm not thinking what's gonna happen, where I'm gonna be next week, uh, what kind of failures I'm gonna have, what kind of problems I'm gonna have.

[00:31:08] I'm gonna live in the present. I'm, I'm gonna accept things as they come in and deal with them. I have a perfect week. I have a perfect month. 

[00:31:15] Eldar: But why did you set your mindset to that for that specific 

[00:31:18] Sergiy: week? Because I want to overwrite what was causing my 

[00:31:21] Eldar: information. 'cause you finally got to a point where you were fed up.

[00:31:23] Sergiy: Oh, I had, I had, I mean, I had 20 to the 20 years of that shit. 

[00:31:26] Eldar: Well, that's what I'm saying. 

[00:31:27] Sergiy: Yeah, 

[00:31:27] Eldar: that's what I'm saying. That you finally gotten to the point where you say, you know. I'm done with this biology and evolu, uh, my, my my DNA, 

[00:31:34] Sergiy: but it comes back to hunt me. It still comes back randomly, 

[00:31:36] Eldar: but, but you see, you show yourself that you have the ability to say, you know what?

[00:31:40] Today we're gonna override our physical 

[00:31:42] Sergiy: No, you do, but you have to check yourself every time. And sometimes you forget to check 

[00:31:44] Mike: yourself. Do you go, you have to develop some kind of a practice. It's not, yeah. It's not knowing how the world works, like for him, that time that it happened. 

[00:31:51] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:31:51] Mike: If you, if you ask him, why can't you recreate it?

[00:31:54] Or can you do it on demand? Yeah. No, because it's, again, we don't know what's good for us, what's bad for us. And, and ultimately, because tying to what we said, no one knowing does wrong. 

[00:32:06] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:32:06] Mike: Right. If a lot of times like, yo, that's it. I'm gonna go on a diet. I'm going to, you know, start eating Right.

[00:32:13] Exercising all the stuff. We say these things, but this is not in line with our character. 

[00:32:18] Sergiy: Mm-hmm. I, I know what resets me, like when I have that I live in the moment, something that happens so, so powerful in, in terms of me not being able to control it. That the river writes me back to the previous one.

[00:32:31] What? Like my anxious, my, I'm become anxious, but what is it? 

[00:32:35] Mike: He has a dump, 

[00:32:36] Sergiy: like a, like an event that happens and I get But what event? Bad event 

[00:32:39] Mike: or good. 

[00:32:39] Sergiy: Anything like me, like thinking I caught a heart attack. Boom. I river wrote everything before that. Like until then, 

[00:32:46] Mike: yes, 

[00:32:46] Sergiy: I was living in the moment. And then, but 

[00:32:48] Mike: it's always, it comes down to like this crazy event, this accident magic.

[00:32:51] Sergiy: So I'm saying only that like a crazy event resets everything again. 

[00:32:54] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:32:55] Sergiy: And then I became become, get nervous. I start thinking and then it takes time for me because we live day by day things happening Uhhuh. And then I have to like stop until like. Live in the 

[00:33:06] Eldar: you al bro. 

[00:33:07] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:33:09] Toliy: It's ptsd, 

[00:33:10] Sergiy: ts d It's, yeah, it's, yeah.

[00:33:12] Toliy: But, but those things that like, there's a part of us that's subconscious, like we don't think it's an automatic reaction. 

[00:33:17] Sergiy: Oh, there is 

[00:33:17] Toliy: subconscious 

[00:33:18] Sergiy: brain Yeah. That comes in that 

[00:33:19] Toliy: you 

[00:33:19] Sergiy: can't even control. 

[00:33:20] Toliy: Anxiety is always, always subconscious. It, it's not like, Hey, we're gonna wait. Yeah. We have a plan for this disinformation.

[00:33:27] Yes. Why don't you, before you feel anything about it. Yeah. Why Don don't you think about it first, digest it and then think, see how 

[00:33:32] Eldar: we feel about 

[00:33:33] Toliy: it. You first conclude everything. 

[00:33:35] Eldar: Yes. 

[00:33:35] Toliy: You get the anxiety 'cause you have subconscious PTs. Yes. Correct. And you need to digest it and then try to re reason and like, uh, 

[00:33:43] Mike: go through.

[00:33:43] I think it's closely related to ego. Yeah. Because you, you, uh, you your, it's a very arrogant mindset in your head. You think you understand how the world works. Correct. And you're like, oh, this is it. This is what I'm supposed to do. 

[00:33:56] Toliy: You become an Nostradamus 

[00:33:57] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:33:58] Toliy: Of how the events are gonna 

[00:33:59] Mike: happen. 

[00:33:59] Toliy: No, I definitely agree with you because it's also like when you have anxiety 

[00:34:03] Mike: an 

[00:34:03] Toliy: Nostradamus, like, it's not like 

[00:34:05] Eldar: Yeah.

[00:34:05] Like, who the fuck is No, 

[00:34:06] Sergiy: I think you 

[00:34:06] Eldar: are. 

[00:34:07] Sergiy: I true. I, I tell, I tell myself like, why am I thinking about shit that hasn't happened? Like, 

[00:34:10] Eldar: who the fuck are you? 

[00:34:11] Sergiy: Like, am I, I'm like, am I predicting future? I can't predict 

[00:34:13] Eldar: future. There 

[00:34:14] Sergiy: you go. I know what's gonna happen. 

[00:34:15] Eldar: There you go. 

[00:34:15] Sergiy: But my brain always thinks, yeah, everything's gonna be perfect.

[00:34:18] Eldar: Let's predicted to period time. I don't think it's your brain. I think it's your, it's your arrogant bastard. Yeah. I think that's exactly what it is in that moment, in that I, sick or arrogant bastard. Right. And the times when you're not, when you're actually humble and in the moment and taking your time doing stuff.

[00:34:32] Right. That doesn't visit you. 

[00:34:35] Toliy: And the funny thing is that like when you're anxious about stuff, it usually doesn't happen. 

[00:34:39] Sergiy: No, it 

[00:34:39] Toliy: doesn't happen. You're wrong. Like, I don't know, let's just say 95. That's 

[00:34:42] Sergiy: what I said. I told you guys before, I'm wrong. 99% of the time. Correct. 

[00:34:45] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:34:45] Sergiy: Time. But I'll work myself up to it and I'm always leaving like in a perpetual, 

[00:34:49] Toliy: why, 

[00:34:49] Sergiy: see, it's gonna happen.

[00:34:50] It's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. But if I relax, it's gonna happen. It's gonna get to worse and it's gonna happen. And it just continues, continues. It builds itself up into like this machine. 

[00:34:58] Eldar: So 

[00:34:58] Toliy: somebody tells me like, yeah. Machine's also, like I, I, I also have it when like, and, and, and, and you obviously know this, like when things are going good 

[00:35:04] Sergiy: Yeah.

[00:35:04] Toliy: And I feel like something bad's 

[00:35:05] Sergiy: gonna, that's what I used to think a lot. I stop that. I used to be like, oh, this is so perfect, but it's gonna go bad. And I should start getting nervous now because it's gonna go bad sometime. 

[00:35:13] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:35:14] Sergiy: But 

[00:35:15] Toliy: self sabotage response. 

[00:35:16] Sergiy: Yeah. But all these things happened to me, you know, when, when I, a long, long time ago, probably 20 years ago, I smoked weed and that was the first time I've ever had panic attacks.

[00:35:28] Mm-hmm. And since then, my panic attacks have been repetitive. Those overthinking all this, it was from that time. Mm. Like I didn't know how to control it. And when I recently Ed ate an edible, uh, like five months ago 

[00:35:42] Eldar: mm-hmm. 

[00:35:42] Sergiy: It was too big of a dosage for me to handle. I had the same experience Yeah. As before, but I was able to control it.

[00:35:49] I knew exactly what was gonna happen to me. And if I am not in control you, it is gonna get to worse. 

[00:35:54] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:35:54] Sergiy: And I was able to control it, sustain it, and I had it for six hours where I was feel not feeling well. Uh, and, and back then it lasted about six hours, the same thing. And back then I was panicking all the time and go crazy.

[00:36:08] And after that, for three years, I had crazy panic attacks, just randomly heart rate up, sweating, panic attacks. I would just jump into the couch, put my head in, and just take a valerian route and relax. 

[00:36:17] Eldar: Hmm. 

[00:36:18] Sergiy: And from there on, I became a person who's more of a. Who's panicking more, who's not in control, nervous all the time.

[00:36:26] Yeah. I used to be always in control. 

[00:36:28] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:36:28] Sergiy: And from that time, my control kind of disappeared. 

[00:36:31] Eldar: Hmm. 

[00:36:32] Sergiy: So, yeah. 

[00:36:33] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:36:33] Eldar: Yeah. No, that, that's a known thing too, where some drugs or some Yeah. Psychedelic experience, people will have these kind of things where it's like, yo, try this. And the next thing they know, they have a repetitive, weird fucking experience and they're constantly seeing things or experiencing 

[00:36:47] Sergiy: lot stress stuff.

[00:36:47] Yeah. Because stress at that moment that I wasn't not in control. Yeah. I was tripping. Like, it was weird, but I was tripping. Like Yeah. I was seeing things, thinking about bad things. And it happened recently to me again. 

[00:36:56] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:36:57] Sergiy: But those 

[00:36:58] Mike: was the thing. The thing is like, um, when you're mis, when your thoughts are not aligned, like with the truth 

[00:37:08] Sergiy: mm-hmm.

[00:37:10] Mike: The actions, uh, that, that follow are also gonna be misaligned. Right. And then what happens is you have this like internal imbalance, which is distress. That you're going through. 

[00:37:24] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:37:25] Mike: And I, and I think our body's actually smart and they know, and that's why we have these like, uh, traumas or stress or pss because Yeah.

[00:37:38] Is, there's no way that if you think about something and you are under the wrong impression, the correlation is wrong, right? 

[00:37:45] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:37:46] Mike: Then, and then your action to follow is gonna be, again, wrong, but you're in a, like, in a state of disagreeance with what the truth is, what's good for you. 

[00:37:55] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:37:56] Mike: And maybe some kind of consciously, subconsciously, there is like that inner guide, right?

[00:38:04] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:38:04] Mike: That's telling you like, this is wrong and you're having this internal battle constantly between like, you know, this is wrong. 

[00:38:12] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:38:13] Mike: But you don't know that this is wrong. 

[00:38:15] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:38:16] Mike: Like you said to yourself, like I said to myself, like, I gotta lose weight so I can feel more confident about myself, right?

[00:38:22] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:38:22] Mike: And that was a wrong connection. 

[00:38:24] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:38:25] Mike: Then my actions is I'm doing things that I don't believe in. Right. Like I started running again. 

[00:38:29] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:38:29] Mike: Started eating like one meal a day. 

[00:38:31] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:38:31] Mike: Started like doing all these things. Yeah. And then that is just like, first of all, it's not sustainable because it's in, it's in a disagreement with 

[00:38:38] Eldar: mm-hmm.

[00:38:38] Mike: Our bodies, our the it's in disagreement with the truth. 

[00:38:42] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:38:42] Mike: And then that's what happens. Like that's stress right there. 

[00:38:48] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:38:48] Mike: You are living in against yourself against like, 

[00:38:51] Eldar: well, I think anytime when you are chasing a correlation that is not caus it's not actually causality, there's no actual connection.

[00:38:59] Mm-hmm. You are gonna put yourself on the, on a, probably a short term or a long term plan of suffering. Yeah. Right. Chasing your own tail. Yeah. And that's, it's, I think that's a, that's a normal thing. 

[00:39:10] Toliy: Yeah. But I feel like it's hard because in those situations like. You like, don't have the ability to think, you know?

[00:39:17] Eldar: And I think that, uh, it's supposed to be like that because if you have an attachment right, which is incorrect and is not rooted in truth, like you said. 

[00:39:25] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:39:25] Eldar: Right. Uh, then you have to play that out in order to get humbled. 

[00:39:29] Mike: Yes. 

[00:39:30] Eldar: At the end 

[00:39:30] Mike: of it, person is making these plans, these thoughts. 

[00:39:33] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:39:33] Mike: And then the arrogant person is acting out these arrogant beliefs.

[00:39:36] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:39:39] Mike: That's, it's normal. Suffering is normal. 

[00:39:41] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:39:41] Mike: So direct correlation right there. 

[00:39:43] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:39:43] Mike: Tell you that 

[00:39:45] Eldar: that's Yeah. We could be sure about 

[00:39:46] Mike: that. Yeah. Yeah. So, and I think that's what causes stress. That's what you're, back to your original question. That is the ultimate stress living in, in, in a, in opposition to the way the world works.

[00:40:00] The truth of the world. Correct. You can't drop the ball and then get upset about it. Not going up yet. Yeah, you can't. But that's what we're constantly doing. 

[00:40:08] Eldar: We're constantly doing that. 

[00:40:09] Mike: We're constantly like doing math equations in our heads. That are incorrect. 

[00:40:13] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:40:13] Mike: And then getting upset when the result is not 

[00:40:16] Eldar: what we're expected.

[00:40:16] Mike: What we're expected, which is incorrect. 

[00:40:18] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:40:19] Mike: We're not, but we're not seeing it. 

[00:40:20] Eldar: But that's the thing. Ultimately the salvation or the freedom is in the fact that like what again, Socrates told us, I know that I know nothing. 

[00:40:29] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:40:30] Eldar: And that is the cure to that. 

[00:40:32] Sergiy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:40:34] Eldar: Right. But they, but 

[00:40:35] Sergiy: Correct. But you gotta check yourself on it all.

[00:40:36] Eldar: But the thing is that's response. No, but that's, that's a belief system, right? That's, that's a value proposition. And like, do you actually believe that? And our ego in our, you know, our pride and all this other shit is constantly telling us, no, we do know something bro. 

[00:40:50] Toliy: Yeah. That, that, that's the crazy trick on life is that like thing about as you're acquiring more information and getting smarter, you actually learn more.

[00:40:57] Yeah. So you actually know something. 

[00:40:58] Eldar: Yeah. Or also you think 

[00:40:59] Toliy: yes. 

[00:41:01] Eldar: But the more you learn, so 

[00:41:02] Toliy: it's very to fall into that trap. 

[00:41:04] Eldar: Into that trap trap, yeah. The 

[00:41:05] Toliy: more you 

[00:41:05] Eldar: know, the actually less, you know? Yeah. 

[00:41:08] Toliy: Yeah. If you don't know properly, you know? 

[00:41:10] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:41:10] Toliy: If, if you don't know to leave, like room for error to 

[00:41:13] Eldar: Yes.

[00:41:13] If you don't leave room for error. That's, that's, that's the thing a lot of times, right. We make conclusions that are very, like, I'm set on that. 

[00:41:20] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:41:21] Eldar: Like he set himself up, right? Yeah. 12 years ago and now that conclusion is following him like a fucking a, a, a ghost. 

[00:41:28] Mike: Yeah. And 

[00:41:30] Eldar: it's literally a ghost. 

[00:41:31] Mike: Yeah.

[00:41:32] Eldar: It's his own ghost that he set, set himself up with and now he believes it, you 

[00:41:38] Mike: know? 

[00:41:38] Toliy: Yeah. The, the, the, I think it's always like the subconscious mind, uh, sets you up for a conscious suffering. That's how it always works. Because like, you're not getting any opportunities to, 

[00:41:54] Mike: well, the, maybe the mind is, ute is the mind, the mind is operating outta subconscious.

[00:41:59] But is the ego operating outta subconscious? 

[00:42:01] Toliy: Well, I think like it's, it's like embedded in there. Like, I don't think it's like, 

[00:42:04] Mike: no, I think the ego is subconscious. 

[00:42:06] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:42:06] Mike: Mm. 

[00:42:06] Toliy: Yeah. It's like, uh, yeah, like the, if everyone thinks everything through, there's no way you feel that way, but because it's a subconscious operation, you, you feel those things and you, um, like 

[00:42:21] Eldar: Yeah.

[00:42:21] Toliy: You know,

[00:42:25] like the, yeah, it, it, it's, it's very difficult because it's like, you're not, you don't feel like you're consciously creating more stress for yourself. You feel like it's like it's just happening, but it's a subconscious thing that's going on that you're not even realizing. So then, but, but you're only feeling the, the, uh, the 

[00:42:43] Eldar: repercussions behind 

[00:42:44] Toliy: it.

[00:42:44] The repercussions of it consciously from a subconscious reaction in order to wake you up. Well in order the pain. 

[00:42:52] Eldar: The pain is what the pain is delivering to show you like, Hey, 

[00:42:56] Toliy: we got to know. Yeah, but how does the average, yeah, but how does an average person realize that their subconscious, like thoughts or operations are causing them conscious pain 

[00:43:06] Eldar: by having a lot of pain?

[00:43:08] Like he's talking about that, right? He said, Hey, there's one week I set out to, to say to myself, I'm gonna be in the moment, I'm gonna be calm and I'm gonna do this. Well, and guess what? He did it. But the times when he starts running amuck or whatever, right. That pain comes back. Yeah. That ptsd, TSD and everything comes back.

[00:43:23] So that pain is gonna continue to teach you. What do you want, bro? Yeah. How do you wanna live? 

[00:43:28] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:43:29] Eldar: And peace. Or in turmoil, something tells me that he prefers it. 

[00:43:34] Mike: The turmoil. 

[00:43:35] Eldar: Yeah. Well, he became very good at it, right? Yeah. He's like Elder. I'm all, I can't find peace. I'm always under stress. I'm always under stress.

[00:43:41] Everything's like stress, stress, stress, stress. Yeah. Well, at some point he has to ask himself like, yo, do I like this? And then he goes, and then he also has other testimonies that when I'm under stress, I perform better. 

[00:43:52] Mike: Yeah. He also, 

[00:43:53] Eldar: so then he connected that, right? So he validated 

[00:43:55] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:43:56] Mike: It's 

[00:43:56] Eldar: the stress as well.

[00:43:57] Toliy: It's definitely like the whole anxiety thing is definitely a, like a thrill. It's a trap, bro. Yeah. It's like a like, like a, mm-hmm. Like, it's like a journey that you go on and then everything's okay, and you feel amazing, and then everything is great. 

[00:44:08] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:44:09] Toliy: You know? 

[00:44:10] Eldar: Yeah. Instead of, instead of having a slow and steady, right.

[00:44:14] Peaceful route. Yeah. You need this crazy blow up explosion, so then you can put out the fire and then you go like, now we can relax. 

[00:44:22] Sergiy: Yeah. That's how 

[00:44:23] Toliy: I'm, yeah. Like in, in my family, like it's something to like, do, fuck you guys, sick people to worry 

[00:44:28] Sergiy: about something. That's what it's, but it depends on the person.

[00:44:30] I think. Like, imagine like, I, I put it sometimes like, I could not play a video game. Right. And my, you know, I could decide not to play a video game, or I could decide to play a video game. Same thing here. I could decide to be calm or I could decide to be non-com and both of them have their own benefits kind of thing for me.

[00:44:55] Like too much of it, of that, or that becomes too much. Right. Too much. So you're 

[00:45:00] Eldar: constantly looking for a balance. 

[00:45:01] Sergiy: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I can't, I'm trying to find a balance because sometimes I just, most of the time I'm extremely, I'm one sided. One sided. So I'm trying to find a, where I could find a way to balance them out.

[00:45:13] So where, yes, I could relax sometimes, because even sometimes when I go to buying, I'm always on the edge and they, and they're sort of relaxing. I'm like thinking about the future. Yeah. The problems that are gonna happen, they haven't even happened. 

[00:45:24] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:45:25] Sergiy: So it's very hard to let, let it go. And like what he said, I, I, I ended that part.

[00:45:32] I, I have suffered with that for a long time, is what I thought. Everything is good and I cannot allow to feel myself. That it's good because it's gonna go bad as soon as I send it 

[00:45:43] Eldar: to my soul. Well, yeah. At that point it just almost shows that like, you're not really sure or confident in who you are and how you got there.

[00:45:48] Yeah. Right. It was just like a mere chance, right. That like, you can't continue to reproduce this piece. 

[00:45:53] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:45:53] Eldar: Right. So it's like, oh, we're gonna fail. 

[00:45:55] Sergiy: You know what I mean? That's the thing is that you have to, like, it was, it's a comfort. Like I didn't have that comfort for a long time where I was like, I need to perform at a hundred percent all the time.

[00:46:04] I cannot make, I cannot take a day off. I cannot take, I cannot make a mistake. 

[00:46:08] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:46:08] Sergiy: Da da da da da. And it has to be, it has to be always like me on the edge. And if, if I start thinking that I am, this is good, I'm gonna relax, and because I relax, it's gonna fail. 

[00:46:20] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:46:20] Sergiy: And from there on, it's just, you know, always on the edge.

[00:46:22] The edge on the edge, the, yeah. The edge. 

[00:46:24] Eldar: So you conditioned yourself. You, you did really good, man. 

[00:46:26] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:46:27] Eldar: This is your result. How do you like it? 

[00:46:29] Sergiy: I mean, it's better now than before. I like, I like it now then I used to be way worse. Believe me. 

[00:46:35] Eldar: No, I believe 

[00:46:36] Sergiy: you, sir. I used to, I used, I've hide it way better than I believe you now.

[00:46:38] I could say about it. I believe 

[00:46:39] Eldar: you, you've 

[00:46:39] Sergiy: been talking 

[00:46:40] Eldar: about this for many years. I know that. Yeah. You know? 

[00:46:42] Toliy: Yeah. I just feel that like, when, when you start to develop things, it's usually this stuff as like a kid and it's over for you. I feel like the, uh, like those things that you get as a kid. 

[00:46:51] Eldar: Yeah.

[00:46:51] Toliy: Like I had this right away from a very young age, and my whole family is like this as well. 

[00:46:56] Sergiy: Yeah. I, I didn't have that as a kid. I al I was always confident. I never overthought about anything. I always lived in the moment. I was very good in sports. I was like the, you know, the man in school and then things changed over time.

[00:47:11] Especially that time when I said, when I smoked that weed first time in my life and I start having panic attacks after. 

[00:47:16] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:47:17] Sergiy: I think that's when it all started, like me becoming a person who can control the situation like I used to be, 

[00:47:22] Eldar: see again. Right. She's potentially doing what we talked about. He took one example, one sample size where he, you know, like he has to make sense of his world, so he's taking like, yo, I smoked this weed and I fucking bugged out.

[00:47:37] I smoked weed too. I bugged out many times, you know what 

[00:47:39] Sergiy: I mean? But I smoked after many times. It was fine. 

[00:47:41] Eldar: Same just that moment. I had that experience too, and I think that I also was the type of person that used to rely on like, oh yeah, it's the reason why I have this is because I've got bugged out that time, or whatever.

[00:47:51] You know, like, but I, I'm not sure if that's the, again, the truth of, of the world. 

[00:47:55] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:47:55] Eldar: You know what I mean? I'm not sure if one experience, for example, can cause that kind of traumatic experience for rest of your life. 

[00:48:01] Sergiy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:48:02] Eldar: I'm not sure. I'm not sure if that's, 

[00:48:03] Sergiy: well, it depends. I think it depends on the person.

[00:48:07] Eldar: Well, maybe 

[00:48:08] Sergiy: what kind of person you are. 

[00:48:09] Eldar: Maybe, 

[00:48:09] Sergiy: you know, 

[00:48:10] Eldar: maybe. Yeah. And I'm not saying like I'm strong or anything like that when it comes to that. 

[00:48:14] Sergiy: Yeah. But some people are physically strong people, some people are mentally strong, you know? Right. There's a saying. Mentally strong person. Physically strong person.

[00:48:21] Yeah. Could be both physically and mentally. 

[00:48:23] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:48:23] Sergiy: Maybe I'm mentally, I'm mentally weak and physically strong. 

[00:48:27] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:48:28] Sergiy: Because I, like I said, I can't handle stress a lot. Like when, when something goes wrong or people get accused me of lying or even, even come near thinking of saying that I'm lying. Well, I know I'm not lying.

[00:48:38] It drives me nuts. 

[00:48:39] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:48:40] Sergiy: It like, I cannot say like, well that's your opinion and that's fine. No, it drives me insane. Like if somebody said that you lied to me. And I was like, I know I didn't, it drives me off the, I mean, I started getting depressed. I start sweating, I start panicking. 

[00:48:54] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:48:55] Sergiy: My family doesn't exist anymore.

[00:48:56] I'm walking around my fucking a 

[00:48:58] Eldar: zombie, 

[00:48:58] Sergiy: zombie on my phone arguing with this person. I was like, yo, I didn't lie. This is the truth. Trying to prove myself. 

[00:49:03] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:49:03] Sergiy: And, and I should, I should have been like, you know, whatever. Like I've had moments where I was like, 

[00:49:07] Eldar: you, we were able to do that. 

[00:49:08] Sergiy: Yeah. Like, yeah.

[00:49:09] Well that's what you think. Why, you know, I don't wanna deal with you, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But sometimes I'm so like into it because it's like, at that moment they caught me. When they caught me at the wrong, wrong moment and it was ballistic. Like I'm overthinking. Be like, yo, dude, you're wrong. Until I prove them wrong, I don't stop.

[00:49:26] Mike: Yeah. It's the, when everything is good, it's easier to make the, continue doing the right choices. When everything's bad, it's easier to continue making the bad choices. But the problem is we're not convinced that we have a choice in the matter to begin with and, and getting to the bad or the good. 

[00:49:44] Toliy: But, but, but I also think that like, we're, we're also like constantly like under, under like predicting or like undershooting how much we need to like, protect, I dunno if you wanna call it a fort for example.

[00:49:55] Like pre protect, like your mental 

[00:49:57] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:49:58] Toliy: Like constantly that like, oh, like everything's fine now. Yeah. And then like, or, or, or like, you don't like. Invest enough, and you're like, 

[00:50:06] Eldar: thank, 

[00:50:06] Toliy: you're not vigilant enough, and like, 

[00:50:08] Eldar: thank you, 

[00:50:08] Toliy: protecting that. Correct. And then you get caught off guard. 

[00:50:10] Eldar: Correct. I actually think that, uh, in Serge's case, I think that if he was vigilant enough, like totally saying to uh, deconstruct his psyche and to find out who he really is 

[00:50:22] Sergiy: Yeah.

[00:50:22] Eldar: And then become more vigilant to protecting the peace that he's talking about. Mm-hmm. I think he can solve it. 

[00:50:27] Sergiy: Yeah. Well, 

[00:50:28] Eldar: but of 

[00:50:29] Sergiy: course, 

[00:50:29] Eldar: but I think he's lazy and I think that he likes it. 

[00:50:33] Sergiy: I am lazy. 

[00:50:34] Eldar: I don't deny it. He, he, he's, he's a masochist. 

[00:50:36] Sergiy: I am a masochist. Yeah. 

[00:50:38] Eldar: You know what I'm saying? He Oh yeah. He needs this thrill.

[00:50:40] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:50:41] Eldar: And totally had that too, where, you know, I called him out on it like, yo, you want this? No, you have to convince not only me by yourself, because 

[00:50:48] Toliy: it sounds so crazy when someone tells you that like, you like this. Yeah. It's just like, yeah. What are you talking about? 

[00:50:52] Eldar: I don't like this. Right. But like, 

[00:50:53] Toliy: like, it's terrible.

[00:50:54] Eldar: You have to almost look at it. You're like, look at yourself. You're 

[00:50:57] Sergiy: used to it 

[00:50:58] Eldar: from that perspective. 

[00:50:59] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:50:59] Eldar: Right. That's he found peace in chaos somehow. Yeah. Yeah. And for, for some reason it works, but only times when he has the ability to, like, to think maybe is maybe like a fake heart attack, or maybe his son's now experiencing something, so now he has to think these things through again.

[00:51:13] You know what I mean? He has to reset himself every single time. But ultimately, because it's conditioned already, who are we speaking with? Are we speaking to com search? Are we speaking to a Turmo search? We don't know. Only he does, or who are we speaking to with Totally. When totally calls me and, and, uh, not to find out how, like what are we talking about current events or whatever?

[00:51:34] Or is he calling me because he knows that Archie threw up or hurt himself or whatever? Yeah. And he's double checking because he has anxiety that Archie died. 

[00:51:42] Mike: Yes. 

[00:51:42] Eldar: Who am I talking to? You know who, who, like, you know, and obviously I have my ways of probing 

[00:51:48] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:51:48] Eldar: And asking questions to find out, and I know where this is coming or going.

[00:51:52] Yeah. You know, not always. 

[00:51:53] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[00:51:54] Eldar: But he might have an agenda 

[00:51:56] Mike: of course. 

[00:51:57] Eldar: That I'm not aware about. 

[00:51:58] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:51:58] Eldar: He's not calling me and says, Eldar, I'm having a panic attack. A panic attack. And I think that Archie is, uh, might be dead. And you're not telling me. 

[00:52:05] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:52:05] Eldar: Can you just tell me that he is alive? Like, that's not the conversation that we're having.

[00:52:08] Yeah. 

[00:52:09] Sergiy: Right. You should, you should. He, he should start conversation with that. But he, he works. 

[00:52:12] Eldar: I agree. I agree. That would, that's what, you know, 

[00:52:14] Toliy: but it's hard 'cause the per, like the person who's like having some kind of thoughts. 

[00:52:18] Eldar: Yeah, yeah, 

[00:52:18] Toliy: yeah. Of course. Course. He's just kind of wanting to like nonchalant, you know, like Correct.

[00:52:22] He wants 

[00:52:22] Eldar: to come from a different door sneakily. Right. Yeah. But that's how this works. Of course. 

[00:52:27] Toliy: Yeah. But there's also a conflict of the time of like the subconscious not thinking you and the thinking you 

[00:52:33] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:52:33] Toliy: And it's like a, uh. Like, there's like some kind of like a 

[00:52:37] Eldar: battle 

[00:52:38] Toliy: battle there, 

[00:52:38] Eldar: and the battle needs to happen.

[00:52:40] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:52:40] Eldar: Every time he sees a new car, the that battle, he has to win that battle a hundred percent of the time in order to preserve his sanity. 

[00:52:48] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:52:49] Eldar: Otherwise percent, huh? 

[00:52:50] Sergiy: Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. You 

[00:52:51] Eldar: have to, 

[00:52:52] Sergiy: if it doesn't, if it doesn't, it's all over anything. Imperfection. Game over. 

[00:52:55] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:52:56] Sergiy: And my wife goes, yo, you're the worst business owner.

[00:52:59] Right. You should be able to 

[00:53:01] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:53:01] Sergiy: By now, have a, the thickest skin ever. And I don't, 

[00:53:04] Eldar: yeah. 

[00:53:05] Sergiy: Although I do help a lot of my clients who have the same PTs as I had, and they're like, you're 

[00:53:10] able 

[00:53:10] Eldar: to relate to them. 

[00:53:11] Sergiy: They're like, oh, it's something just, and I on the phone, like, uh, like, I'm a a therapist. Don't worry about it.

[00:53:16] That's normal. It happens to everybody. 

[00:53:18] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:53:18] Sergiy: Uh, this is what's gonna happen, da, da, da, da. It's like, oh wow. This is amazing, bro. You're the best. And I'm like, shit, I'm stressing all the way here, you know, myself. But on, on, on telling them that I've been through that, you know, there's actually a thing called B-M-W-P-T-S-D.

[00:53:32] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:53:32] Sergiy: When there's a chime that goes in the car, Uhhuh, he goes, da. It means something's wrong with the car. 

[00:53:36] Eldar: Mm. 

[00:53:37] Sergiy: Used to make my fucking heart racing. Now you got used, used to it. Now I don't even care about know this. That check engine light could glow all day long. I don't even see it anymore. It's invisible to my, to a new owner.

[00:53:47] Mm-hmm. He sees that check engine light search. I have a check engine light. What the hell is going on? I'm like, 

[00:53:52] Eldar: yeah, 

[00:53:52] Sergiy: calm down. Yeah. Take a scanner scan and will tell you exactly. Because people think that us people who work on cars could, uh, telepathically know what the fuck is wrong with the car every 

[00:54:02] Eldar: time.

[00:54:02] Yeah. 

[00:54:03] Sergiy: It's like, no, we cannot know any at all. The car has a computer. 

[00:54:06] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:54:06] Sergiy: Check engine turns on and says something is wrong there. Your job is not to take another computer scan and it will tell you exactly what's Yeah. Diagnosis. It'll tell you. It's like, like, yo, why a check engine? Do you, do you know what happened?

[00:54:17] I'm like, I'm not a fucking, 

[00:54:18] Eldar: you see, this is a transfer of what we're talking about. Serge, who's a professional, understands that that check engine light can mean a thousand things. Yeah. So he goes into the conversation saying, Hey buddy. We don't know yet, but we can try to find out. So he is not using the correlation means causation like his client is, right?

[00:54:37] Yeah. Because he's correlating saying, yo, my engine is broken. Yeah. You know what I mean? He's saying right away like, check engine light, my engine is broken. That's a direct path to this is the causality here, you know? Yeah. To who is now has more knowledge and understanding and experience. He's clearly shown Look.

[00:54:54] There could be a thousand things that's wrong here. We don't know what it is. We need to run diagnostics. This is the correct, 

[00:54:59] Sergiy: correct way. Yeah. 

[00:55:00] Eldar: And that is the only way you can relieve any type of anxiety for yourself and for your client. Yeah. 

[00:55:06] Toliy: Yeah. And, and, and, and it's the same way in real life. Like, oh, you have a head headache.

[00:55:10] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:55:11] Toliy: You have a brain hemorrhage, or you're dying or something. Right? Yeah. You're 

[00:55:13] Eldar: dead. 

[00:55:14] Toliy: Your stomach hurts. You have, I don't know, some ulcer, crazy ulcer, right? Yeah. Or like you're tired, you have some chronic issue. 

[00:55:20] Sergiy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:55:20] Toliy: Right? Like it could either be nothing or it could be Yeah. 

[00:55:23] Sergiy: We're 

[00:55:23] Toliy: constantly doing this.

[00:55:24] Sergiy: Yeah. You have to run diagnostics right away. Blood work, 

[00:55:27] Toliy: the Yeah. But the thing is right, we'd never do that. 

[00:55:29] Sergiy: We never do that. We're right away. I think we know what the fuck is going on with. 

[00:55:32] Eldar: Who's that? Who's doing that? Ego arrogance. 

[00:55:34] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:55:35] Eldar: You see, 

[00:55:35] Sergiy: I don't know. 

[00:55:36] Eldar: We automatically go into solving our own issues and thinking that we fucking know.

[00:55:41] Mm-hmm. And we're smarter than a doctor. We're smarter than a doctor. We're smarter than Google. We're smarter than everybody. 

[00:55:45] Sergiy: Like I said, people argue with me about their fucking cards. They're not professionals in this field. See. And I'm like, dude, you don't know what you're talking about. He goes, 

[00:55:51] Eldar: so you calling American?

[00:55:52] Sergiy: I, I, I know what I'm doing. You could do better or This is wrong. And I'm like, no, you haven't been checked. You haven't even tested. Yeah. He's like, my butt feels, I was like, what is your butt? A nanometer? 

[00:56:03] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:56:03] Sergiy: I was like, you cannot run the agnostics with your ass. Yeah. You know? So that's what I do with, it's in my 

[00:56:07] Eldar: gut.

[00:56:08] I feel it in 

[00:56:08] Sergiy: my gut. Yeah. That's what people tell me. I it's slower. A hundred percent said. Let's do this. 

[00:56:13] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:56:14] Sergiy: You buy this device, you connect it to your car, you measure the, oh my God, bro. It's so much faster on the device. But I didn't feel it on my ass. 

[00:56:21] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:56:22] Sergiy: I said, well, data don't lie, my friend. 

[00:56:24] Eldar: Yeah.

[00:56:24] Sergiy: Data. There you go. And so, in the beginning I used to stress about those things. Now I don't, I just say, go test it. 

[00:56:30] Eldar: Yeah. That's, see you shown, 

[00:56:31] Toliy: you've shown us, you that with them. Right. Like, Hey, hey, we're, we're gonna test it. If it's faster, you pay me double. 

[00:56:36] Eldar: Yes. 

[00:56:36] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:56:36] Toliy: If it's not, the work is free. I give you a full, 

[00:56:38] Eldar: there you go.

[00:56:39] Sergiy: Yeah, 

[00:56:39] Eldar: there you go. But yeah, you can, you can guarantee a warranty 

[00:56:42] Toliy: that Yeah. Guarantee it. If not, you gimme double. 

[00:56:44] Eldar: Double. 

[00:56:45] Toliy: Yeah. If not, it's free. 

[00:56:46] Sergiy: Yeah. That's 

[00:56:47] Eldar: it. But yeah, he's given examples where he actually didn't make wrong conclusions about this. He took the time to study it and now he has experience, therefore he can Aleve.

[00:56:58] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:56:58] Eldar: The anxieties. That's what we're talking about here. Ultimately, I think that there are answers to surge's, uh, biological fucking tweaks. You know what I mean? That he's talking about. I think there are, and only through thinking. 

[00:57:11] Toliy: Yeah. But I think that you, you, you need like to, to also to think properly.

[00:57:15] You need enough healthy habits and like self-protection to allow yourself the opportunity. 

[00:57:20] Sergiy: I agree 

[00:57:20] Toliy: with, to 

[00:57:20] Sergiy: process that. I, I personally think the number, we, we, people, we ignore doctors. We try not to go to the doctor as much as we can. Mental health is very important. We try to fix our own mental health.

[00:57:33] The problems I have, somebody could probably help me out there who's, who knows this stuff. I don't know shit about mental health. I don't know anything about it, but I always refuse to go somebody because like. Fuck this guy. I know everything about myself. 

[00:57:44] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:57:45] Sergiy: And same thing 

[00:57:45] Eldar: with the car. One of our listeners actually, who's listening live right now, actually recommended something.

[00:57:50] And, um, he specifically recommending this to youer. Okay. It's called CBT therapy, 

[00:57:55] Sergiy: CBT. 

[00:57:56] Eldar: So yeah, if you're gonna, yeah. Teller, he needs psychotherapy, uh, specifically CCBT. Oh, yeah. This is cognitive behavioral therapy. Yeah. 

[00:58:03] Sergiy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:58:04] Eldar: It's a very specific and a very known, uh, practice where they can help you. 

[00:58:08] Sergiy: You see it sounds crazy.

[00:58:09] Cognitive motherfucker 

[00:58:11] Eldar: be, behavioral therapy 

[00:58:11] Sergiy: is fine. 

[00:58:12] Eldar: Well, you see, you 

[00:58:13] Sergiy: know what I mean? 

[00:58:13] Eldar: Yeah. But, but then again, now if it's fine, and if you're refusing to go, then again it tells me that you prefer this lifestyle. 

[00:58:19] Sergiy: Yeah, yeah. Course. But no, but no, no. You're afraid what, what they're gonna tell you. No, but it's also, you're, you're a hundred percent retarded, dude.

[00:58:25] Some, 

[00:58:26] Toliy: some people are afraid of like, what, what they might tell you. But there's also people, like, for example, like my dad, Uhhuh, who they say, this is just how life is. 

[00:58:33] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:58:34] Toliy: So then for them, well then we don't have an argument. How, how could you, if this is how it's supposed to be. How could you seek help?

[00:58:40] You will 

[00:58:40] Eldar: never seek 

[00:58:41] Sergiy: help. Yeah. 

[00:58:41] Toliy: Like for, for my dad, he is like, no, this is just how life is. What can you do about 

[00:58:46] Sergiy: it? Yeah. Any, any physical problems I have. I'm like, I'm not going nowhere. I got it. Mm-hmm. It will go away. 

[00:58:51] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:58:52] Sergiy: But I'm not supposed to. I should go get blood work, get checked and everything.

[00:58:55] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:58:55] Sergiy: Because if you do that, especially men, men are number one of that. Mm-hmm. Women go to doctors way more than men. 

[00:59:00] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:59:01] Sergiy: My dad hasn't gotten it 40 years. They're like, dude, blood pressure high, everything. He goes, I'm not gonna go to the doctor. My sister goes, you look like you're about to die. He goes, yeah, but if I go, I know a friend who went to the doctor and died a week later.

[00:59:13] If I go, I'm gonna die. I'm not going to the doctor. And that's it. 

[00:59:16] Eldar: And I, I respect that choice. Why not? That's his choice. Right? 

[00:59:19] Sergiy: Yeah. But 

[00:59:20] Eldar: why can't we respect that? Yeah. That's also his choice. Your dad said, you know what? I live the way I live. Leave me the fuck alone. And if I die, I, I accept that responsibility.

[00:59:28] Sergiy: Yeah. But he could be a diagnostics down and he'll know what's, what's wrong with him. 

[00:59:32] Eldar: But he doesn't want to, 

[00:59:33] Sergiy: doesn't want to. That's, I know 

[00:59:35] Eldar: if you want to, you should do it, but if you don't, you don't. 

[00:59:38] Sergiy: Yeah. Well, 

[00:59:39] Eldar: you know what I'm saying? 

[00:59:39] Sergiy: I know I, I might need mental help, but I don't wanna do it. 

[00:59:42] Eldar: You see, then you don't really want to.

[00:59:45] Sergiy: Because I'll Which one is it? No, no. Because I think that I will be able to over time figure it out myself. Fair, fair. 

[00:59:52] Mike: And maybe you will. 

[00:59:53] Sergiy: And maybe I'll 

[00:59:54] Mike: the jury, the jury is still out on that. Maybe you will, maybe you won't. 

[00:59:57] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[00:59:57] Mike: You know what I'm saying? Just 'cause the logical person in that moment knows the truth, doesn't mean the person who's behind the wheel 99% of the time.

[01:00:05] Thank you, is gonna remember that. Correct. 

[01:00:07] Toliy: But they're also not convinced that there's a better life if they do this. 

[01:00:12] Mike: Yeah. True. 

[01:00:12] Toliy: Because if everyone like believed that everybody would make that decision 

[01:00:16] Mike: every single time. Well, you can't use logic, uh, you can't like convince the ego to be like, oh, you know what?

[01:00:20] You're wrong. Why don't you just listen to me? Well, yes. Yeah. Not just like that. You have to, it's gonna take a lot of work and Correct. And I think 

[01:00:28] Toliy: part of, 

[01:00:28] Mike: part of ego 

[01:00:30] Eldar: and part of arrogance and pride, uh, they're masters at, uh, master manipulation 

[01:00:35] Mike: Oh yeah. 

[01:00:36] Eldar: Manipulators. 

[01:00:37] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:00:37] Eldar: To us. To ourselves of course.

[01:00:39] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:00:40] Eldar: Anxiety being one of their tools. Yeah. They're very good at imagining that kind of stuff. They use imagination very specifically to scare us from making good changes. 

[01:00:49] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[01:00:49] Eldar: Right. You don't sit there and like dream about like, oh, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do all that. And you just follow through and just go and do it.

[01:00:55] Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? You just, A lot of it is negative thinking. Yeah. You know what I mean? And self-sabotage. 

[01:01:00] Sergiy: So who's that? Do you think there's like another brain that's controlling that? 

[01:01:05] Eldar: Well, you say it's, you say it's biological self preservation. 

[01:01:08] Sergiy: That's what I think there's something inside of me that 

[01:01:10] Eldar: I, I 

[01:01:10] Sergiy: actually is asking for it all the time.

[01:01:12] Eldar: Yeah. Well. 

[01:01:13] Sergiy: Like I cannot have. 

[01:01:14] Eldar: That's what I'm saying. So something very, 

[01:01:16] Sergiy: I cannot have you like it. I cannot have perfection. 

[01:01:18] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:01:18] Sergiy: Like I cannot have a calm, there's always something asking for that turmoil. It's purpose. 

[01:01:22] Eldar: You became very good. You became very good at being stuck at this very specific purpose that you have.

[01:01:28] Yeah. And you can't see beyond that. You can't imagine a better lifestyle. I totally said, 

[01:01:32] Sergiy: but I, I do get glimpses of it, and I do like it 

[01:01:35] Eldar: at very small 

[01:01:36] Sergiy: moments. Not enough, but then the other one choice. But then the other is like, like I told you, like 

[01:01:40] Eldar: they're forced. Yes. They're forced. 

[01:01:42] Sergiy: The glimpse not, I know, I know.

[01:01:43] Because I tried to train myself because I'm trained in, in the bad one and I'm trying to train myself for the good one. Yeah. But because I've been doing the bad one for so long, the bad one's always winning the battle. 

[01:01:52] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:01:53] Sergiy: And 

[01:01:53] Mike: yeah, this is what you're going through is like a, I think a lot of people have this thing where if you don't stay busy, the thoughts that are there.

[01:02:05] It's like the reason people build a dam 

[01:02:07] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:02:07] Mike: Is to keep the water out. 

[01:02:09] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:02:09] Mike: So it doesn't fucking 

[01:02:10] Sergiy: flood 

[01:02:11] Mike: your whole city. 

[01:02:12] Sergiy: Yes. A purposeless build dam. Build a dam. I purposely, I purposefully push myself. Stay up, use Nate's. Nate's as long as I can. You 

[01:02:18] Eldar: nate's 

[01:02:18] Sergiy: to the limit everything 

[01:02:19] Eldar: Go 

[01:02:19] Sergiy: brain handcuffs. So I start hallucinating sometimes already and I'm still pushing myself to stay up.

[01:02:24] Eldar: You hear what he's saying? 

[01:02:25] Mike: No, I didn't hear it. 

[01:02:25] Eldar: He's keeping that dam. He's, he's the beaver. Yeah. Who's creating that dam and is holding it as much as he can. Yeah. Yeah. 

[01:02:33] Mike: But the thing is that, that it's like you think you're preventing the dam Yeah. From falling in on you, but you're actually building it around you so nothing gets in.

[01:02:41] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:02:41] Mike: The good stuff is trying to flood the bad stuff. Yeah. But you using the bad stuff to patch it up. From letting the good stuff in you. Like it's like a pr it's like a 

[01:02:50] Sergiy: Yeah, 

[01:02:50] Mike: it's like a self-made prison. 

[01:02:52] Sergiy: Yeah, but it's hard, 

[01:02:53] Mike: man. You are a psycho, you're the prisoner and 

[01:02:56] Toliy: the prison, there's no feeling than an anxiety, like a 

[01:02:59] Mike: relief.

[01:02:59] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:03:00] Mike: Yes. 

[01:03:01] Sergiy: Oh yeah. When my shit goes good, like I'm stressing out and then goes, was like, damn, such a good day today. It's so bright, more colorful. You a 

[01:03:07] Toliy: sick person. You got a better attitude the whole sudden, 

[01:03:09] Sergiy: you know, 

[01:03:10] Toliy: this is good. This. Yeah. 

[01:03:11] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:03:13] Sergiy: I, I mean, the amount of triggers I have is insane. 

[01:03:16] Eldar: Yeah. You became very good at this, right?

[01:03:17] Sergiy: I mean, I would you 

[01:03:18] Eldar: say you are professional? 

[01:03:19] Sergiy: I have a hundred percent. 

[01:03:20] Eldar: You're a hundred percent professional. 

[01:03:21] Sergiy: A hundred percent professional. Another person would die. 

[01:03:24] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:03:25] Sergiy: Another thing I have, I don't know, I haven't had that in a while, but I have random things. May maybe, maybe I should go to the doctor, whoever said that.

[01:03:33] Sometimes I'm cutting, uh, something with a knife and I'm like, maybe I should just stab myself. 

[01:03:38] Eldar: Wow. You need the pain in order to have you get 

[01:03:41] knife. 

[01:03:41] Sergiy: No, no, no, no pain. It's just my mind goes, you should just stab yourself. Then my, my, and then I tell myself, oh, 

[01:03:48] Eldar: you told me about that. Were, were you like also on the skyscraper?

[01:03:50] Somewhere high. Oh, I just wanna jump, 

[01:03:52] Sergiy: I should just jump. 

[01:03:52] Eldar: Oh, should just jump. You have those 

[01:03:53] Sergiy: thoughts. It's so weird. 

[01:03:54] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:03:55] Sergiy: And I, I found a thing about it online. It's a, people suffer with it. A lot of people suffer, like millions of people. Oh, I forget the name of it. And if I'm standing, standing on a balcony 

[01:04:06] Eldar: Yeah.

[01:04:07] Sergiy: I wanna jump off the balcony. 

[01:04:08] Eldar: Yeah. Mm. 

[01:04:09] Sergiy: If I'm holding a knife, I wanna stab myself or stab somebody else. 

[01:04:12] Eldar: Oh God. 

[01:04:12] Sergiy: Like, I don't want to, but my, 

[01:04:13] Eldar: yeah, yeah, 

[01:04:14] Sergiy: yeah, yeah. I have a thought about it for that split second. 

[01:04:15] Eldar: Yeah. Interesting. 

[01:04:16] Sergiy: Like, I'm holding this knife, I should stab myself or somebody. 

[01:04:18] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:04:19] Sergiy: And then I'm like, that's a stupid fucking thing.

[01:04:20] Why do you even think about it? 

[01:04:22] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:04:22] Sergiy: But it happens all the time. 

[01:04:23] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:04:24] Sergiy: Why? I have no idea. I don't have that with a car. Yeah. I don't drive a car. It's like, I wanna hit the person. Never. 

[01:04:28] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:04:28] Sergiy: But for some reason, when I'm holding a knife, I was like, yeah, you should just stab yourself or somebody. 

[01:04:34] Eldar: I mean, you, you are going through immense amount of stress.

[01:04:37] Right. Obviously. And the things that you are imagining, obviously are correlated with lots of pain. Right. To yourself or to someone. So it's like they're in the same camp. It's like you almost having like a nightmare in the, in the daydreaming nightmare. That's what youre having. It could be 

[01:04:53] Toliy: where you're so scared of something that you wanna do it, 

[01:04:56] Eldar: or that like 

[01:04:57] Sergiy: Well, I know that about the heights.

[01:04:58] That's what I Oh, are 

[01:04:58] Eldar: you scared of heights? 

[01:05:00] Sergiy: I'm super scared of heights. 

[01:05:01] Eldar: Oh, okay. 

[01:05:02] Sergiy: But when I fly, I have no problems. 

[01:05:04] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:04] Sergiy: Like I train myself to fly through a video game. 

[01:05:06] Eldar: You keep your eyes closed throughout the whole time when you're on the plane? 

[01:05:08] Sergiy: No. 

[01:05:08] Eldar: Oh, 

[01:05:09] Sergiy: no. No. I, no, no. I, I train myself through a video game how to, how to get adjusted to the flight, to the height of the flight.

[01:05:14] Eldar: Mm. 

[01:05:14] Sergiy: But as soon as I go on a balcony somewhere, I wanna jump off the balcony. 

[01:05:17] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:18] Sergiy: Like, I, a hundred percent, when I'm there, I hold myself because I'm scared. And, but at the same time, I wanna jump. And some many times I hold myself back because I was like, I see myself jumping off right now. 

[01:05:27] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:05:28] Sergiy: Yeah. I forgot the name of it.

[01:05:29] I'll tell 

[01:05:30] Eldar: You're just imagining it. 

[01:05:31] Sergiy: I'm imagining I'm gonna jump off, but the thing is I might jump off and then Yeah. 

[01:05:35] You 

[01:05:35] Sergiy: know, sometimes imagination could drive you to where you, 

[01:05:38] Eldar: well how, how, how successful have you been? 

[01:05:41] Sergiy: What do you mean? 

[01:05:41] Eldar: I mean, jumping off 

[01:05:43] Sergiy: it hasn't been successful. 

[01:05:44] Eldar: You mean how 

[01:05:44] Sergiy: successful I have jumped off in, in the 3D glasses.

[01:05:47] Yeah. You could do a lot of things in 3D glasses that you wouldn't do in real life. 

[01:05:50] Eldar: How is she eating 

[01:05:50] Sergiy: stuff? And it allows you to get over a lot of things. 

[01:05:53] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:05:54] Sergiy: So the 3D stuff that my wife got me helped me with, get a lot over a lot of things, Uhhuh. 

[01:05:58] Eldar: Okay. 

[01:05:59] Sergiy: Fear of heights as much as I used to, like less now.

[01:06:02] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:06:03] Sergiy: Flying, like you could, you could do anything like rock climbing on a mountain, stuff like that. Mm-hmm. Uh, walking on like a, a thin line and in 3D glasses, it helps you get over those things. 

[01:06:13] Eldar: Okay. Okay. 

[01:06:14] Sergiy: You doing it and doing it and doing your, your mind rewires. 

[01:06:16] Eldar: Rewinds 

[01:06:16] Sergiy: and change because it looks over realistic there, 

[01:06:20] Eldar: so.

[01:06:20] Okay. 

[01:06:22] Sergiy: What was the name? I wanna tell you the name of that. 

[01:06:25] Eldar: It's like a condition.

[01:06:29] So that's where all our suffering comes from. 

[01:06:33] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. I just feel like it, it, it's not always even about like thinking the right things or like stuff like that. It's like putting yourself in a position where you can actually like, feel better and be better and like do better. But that only happens again, like you're getting the right amount of sleep.

[01:06:50] Mm-hmm. If you're like staying up late, waking up early, for example, like if you're like eating bad shit or like, you know, doing bad shit to your body. I feel like it's very difficult to ab absorb any new good information or think about things differently or like tackle any 

[01:07:07] Eldar: of that. Yeah. But it's the question, is it just chicken or the egg, you know?

[01:07:10] Yeah. How do you have the action and then the thoughts? 

[01:07:12] Toliy: Well, I, I feel like there, there could be some level of, of like, um, 

[01:07:16] Eldar: he's always preaching that. 

[01:07:18] Toliy: No, I'm not preaching that. 

[01:07:19] Eldar: A lot of times you've mentioned this where it's like, okay, cool, in order to get my mind right, I gotta start eating right.

[01:07:24] Exercising, all that sort of stuff. In order for you to even jumpstart that, you have to have a mi Good mindset. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, yeah. 

[01:07:32] Sergiy: Who's listening to us life 

[01:07:34] Eldar: Real, 

[01:07:34] Sergiy: Joe. Real, real deal. Joe. 

[01:07:35] Eldar: Yeah, 

[01:07:36] Sergiy: bastards. I knew he was him Real. 

[01:07:37] Eldar: Geez. 

[01:07:38] Sergiy: Why? 'cause as soon as I, as soon as you said that, I knew that it was Joe.

[01:07:42] Eldar: Yeah, Joe. That's what I said. I said Joe, Joe recommended that. 

[01:07:44] Sergiy: Oh, I, he, it was Joe, but I knew that Joe would say something like that. 

[01:07:46] Eldar: Oh, yeah. Joe. Joe, Joe. Yeah. 'cause he's like, I, he's like, I've been through something with a stroke. 

[01:07:51] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:07:51] Eldar: Where he had a lot of PTSD after that, you know what I mean? That he's constantly like fearing for his life.

[01:07:57] Sergiy: Yeah. You 

[01:07:57] Eldar: know? So he went to get some therapy and, and that's what worked. Oh, he helped 

[01:07:59] Sergiy: him out, you 

[01:08:00] Eldar: know? Yeah, yeah, 

[01:08:00] Sergiy: yeah. 

[01:08:01] Eldar: Sure. That's why he's working. He's not recommending to you to make fun of you. 

[01:08:03] Sergiy: Oh, okay. Because Joe Joe's a funny guy. 

[01:08:05] Eldar: He's a funny guy. But no, I think, you know, I mean, at least in this podcast, we're trying to recommend things that are fucking gonna be better for 

[01:08:11] Sergiy: you.

[01:08:11] No, no, no, of course. Because it's hard to, to live with this shit. 

[01:08:13] Eldar: Of course, bro. What the fuck? 

[01:08:15] Sergiy: So, 

[01:08:15] Eldar: you know, and sometimes you come around and we try to discuss these, these issues. 

[01:08:19] Toliy: Yeah. The, yeah, no, no, but I was saying that like. You're, you're saying to do healthy shit to begin with. You need to think about things and Yes.

[01:08:27] Eldar: I'm saying that you, you, you, you're saying the way you are putting it, at least the way I'm hearing it, maybe. Oh, okay. The way Mike heard is like, I understand what you're saying. Hey, you gotta sleep right. Eat right. Yeah. Uh, you know, exercise right Before you can have good thoughts and good patterns. 

[01:08:39] Toliy: No, no.

[01:08:39] It's probably a combination of things where like, just say it's out of a hundred percent, you need probably like 10, 20, 30% of some thinking, and then you do some good actions, and then you get the rest 

[01:08:50] Eldar: of after, I think you, you will not get the good sleep, good food, good exercise, and all this other good physical habits without your mind driving them.

[01:08:59] Toliy: No, for sure. But you need, but you need both and you need like to, uh, I agree. Of course you need both. Put yourself in, in the right position. 

[01:09:05] Sergiy: Do you think though, sleep is one of the most important things? 

[01:09:07] Eldar: 100%. 

[01:09:08] Sergiy: Me too. But I fucking lack sleep. Yeah. I sleep four or five hours a night. 

[01:09:11] Eldar: Yeah, of course. 

[01:09:12] Sergiy: And, and it catches up.

[01:09:13] Now when I was younger, it's fine, but now that I'm older, it catches on all the time. Yeah. 

[01:09:15] Toliy: Four or five hours. 

[01:09:16] Sergiy: Four or five hours a night. Look, I go to sleep sometimes. 2:00 AM My kids wake up at seven. 

[01:09:22] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:09:23] Sergiy: I'm fucking ready to, I, you know, me, you probably back in the day I used to sleep till fucking 2:00 PM 

[01:09:28] Eldar: Yeah.

[01:09:28] Sergiy: I would go to sleep at 7:00 AM and now I have to rewrite everything. 

[01:09:31] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:09:31] Sergiy: My mind is not ready for it. And I, I purposefully push myself to the limit where I should be sleeping. I'm just laying there in bed and fucking thinking about shit for the next three, four hours. 

[01:09:41] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. 

[01:09:42] Sergiy: You know, looking at shit that, and I know that I should be going to sleep and I should be waking up in the morning with the 

[01:09:47] Eldar: kid.

[01:09:47] Tell me there's not enough time in the day for you. Right. 

[01:09:48] Sergiy: Never. 

[01:09:49] Eldar: Yeah. See, 

[01:09:49] Sergiy: yeah, of course. Never enough 

[01:09:50] Eldar: time for a guy like that is never enough time. Why don't you do, why don't you, um, combine two days to one? 

[01:09:55] Sergiy: There's not gonna be enough. 

[01:09:57] Eldar: What do you mean? Just don't go to sleep on day one? Just only, only sleep on day twos.

[01:10:03] Sergiy: I think I tried that before. Intermittent 

[01:10:04] Eldar: sleeping. Huh? Intermittent sleeping. 

[01:10:06] Sergiy: Yeah. Yeah. I think I tried that before. So I, I, the weird thing 

[01:10:10] Eldar: I have now, we have 48 hours to work on your shift. 

[01:10:12] Sergiy: So weird, weird thing I have is I have midday sleep crashes. 

[01:10:15] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Of 

[01:10:16] Sergiy: course it used to be a worse, it used to be at 2:00 PM 3:00 PM 

[01:10:19] Eldar: Yeah.

[01:10:19] Sergiy: You would be next to me and I would just, my brain starts to turn into like hot, it's just less burning. Everything gets blurry and I just start like passing out, like, I'm like, oh, okay. I'm gonna take a power nap. 

[01:10:31] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:10:31] Sergiy: And that had no control over it. Luca would be playing next to me. 

[01:10:34] Eldar: Wow. 

[01:10:35] Sergiy: And I was like, I gotta take this power nap right now.

[01:10:36] Or I'm, I'm basically hallucinating 

[01:10:38] Eldar: sick. 

[01:10:40] Sergiy: That ended now it happens around 7:00 PM 

[01:10:44] Eldar: Hmm. 

[01:10:45] Sergiy: My kids are like, oh daddy, let's go sleep. For me. It's like, yes, I'm about to put him to sleep. I'm gonna take my power nap. 

[01:10:49] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:10:50] Sergiy: Same thing I lay down. My brain starts to hallucinate. Like I starts burning, I take a nap with them, even for 10 minutes, I feel refreshed, and then I stay up till two, three in the morning.

[01:11:00] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:11:00] Sergiy: And their cycle continues like this. 

[01:11:02] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:11:02] Sergiy: So I think sleep is very important, but I have a hard, hard time controlling it. Of course. Yeah. Because I think I'm, I'm missing the day. It's like, oh, lemme push this day as far as I can. Course 

[01:11:11] Eldar: it's a very arrogant person. 

[01:11:12] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:11:12] Eldar: Yeah. You have you considered yourself very arrogant before?

[01:11:15] Or No. 

[01:11:15] Sergiy: Do you think I'm an arrogant person? Will you talk to me? Very 

[01:11:17] Eldar: arrogant. Yeah. 

[01:11:18] Sergiy: You think so? When you talk to me? Yeah. 

[01:11:19] Eldar: No, no, no. I think that, no. 

[01:11:21] Sergiy: Like when I'm 

[01:11:22] Eldar: No, no, no, no, 

[01:11:23] no, 

[01:11:23] Sergiy: no, no, no, 

[01:11:23] Eldar: no, no, no. Okay. So let me explain to you so you can understand the difference, your relationship with me. Mostly it's not arrogant.

[01:11:30] Your relationship with yourself is very arrogant. 

[01:11:32] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:11:33] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:11:33] Sergiy: What's the definition of a arrogance? 

[01:11:36] Eldar: Well, you think, you know it all. Like, you know, like you trying to like control everything is, is showing me that like you think that you know it all. In your own life internally? Not with me. 

[01:11:49] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:11:49] Eldar: You are a pretty nice guy.

[01:11:50] And like, you know, our friendship is okay. We've known each other for a while and I don't think you come across as arrogant to me, but to yourself, you're very arrogant. 

[01:11:58] Sergiy: Yeah. But, 

[01:11:58] Eldar: and that's why you're very bad to yourself. 

[01:12:00] Sergiy: But me pushing myself late to sleep, I don't think that's arrogant. 

[01:12:03] Eldar: Yes, it is. 

[01:12:03] Sergiy: You think so?

[01:12:04] Eldar: Of course 

[01:12:04] Sergiy: I'm, I'm not a professional though, but 

[01:12:06] Eldar: I'm telling you. 

[01:12:06] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:12:07] Eldar: If you start looking at it through my lens, you will solve your sleeping problem. 

[01:12:10] Sergiy: Yeah, maybe. 

[01:12:11] Eldar: But you have to actually understand what I'm saying. 

[01:12:13] Sergiy: But I also, the nighttime is the time I get for myself. 

[01:12:18] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Why? 

[01:12:20] Sergiy: Well, first of all, nobody's bothering me.

[01:12:21] Clients don't bother me, my wife don't bother, my kids don't bother me. Mm-hmm. That's the time I get to reflect for myself. Mm-hmm. And I try to push that extra time as far as I can 

[01:12:28] Eldar: because all that other time. Right. You don't know how to deal with it property. Correct. 

[01:12:33] Sergiy: Not all that other time. I'm busy with, with everybody else's stuff.

[01:12:35] You 

[01:12:35] Mike: got problems. 

[01:12:36] Sergiy: Yeah. With everybody else's stuff. I'm dealing with them. There you go. And everybody wants, goes to sleep. I was like, now it's my time. 

[01:12:41] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:12:41] Sergiy: I have friends who do the opposite. 

[01:12:43] Mike: Yeah. It's normal. You like, uh, you wanna reward yourself before, like being in center. 

[01:12:47] Sergiy: I have friends who do the opposite.

[01:12:48] They go to sleep at 8:00 PM 

[01:12:49] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:12:50] Sergiy: Wake up at 5:00 AM and those two, three hours that everybody's sleeping, they enjoy it for themselves. 

[01:12:55] Mike: Sure. 

[01:12:55] Sergiy: So I haven't tried that yet. Maybe it will be better for me to do it in the morning versus the night. 

[01:13:01] Eldar: Yeah. You can experiment if you want. 

[01:13:02] Sergiy: Yeah. Because I've always been the night person.

[01:13:04] Yeah. 

[01:13:05] Sergiy: Night person. Nobody's bothering me, no client's bothering me. I could do whatever the hell I want. 

[01:13:08] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:13:09] Sergiy: Before the, before the family, I, I used to have clients. 

[01:13:12] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:13:12] Sergiy: And they would bother me during the day and at night they work. So I was like, this is my peace time. 

[01:13:16] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:13:17] Sergiy: So now I, I do the same with the family.

[01:13:20] They all go to sleep. I was like, yes, I could do my own things. I could play the video games. Mm-hmm. Or I could watch, sometimes I could do research. 

[01:13:25] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. Well, because if it's, it's obviously, if it's very hard for you to deal with the everyday life, you know, that time at peace of by yourself is gonna be a force.

[01:13:35] It's like relaxing. It's relaxing. Well, yeah. And I think that it's normal. 

[01:13:38] Sergiy: I mean, we all play, I, I play video games too, not to fucking murder half of the world, because like, I go, like, I go to a game, I, I I, I, I enjoy and I relax playing video games and, you know, some people are like, oh, you're a loser.

[01:13:50] You're 40 years old playing video games. I was like, no, it's actually relaxes me. 

[01:13:53] Eldar: Yeah. I, 

[01:13:54] Sergiy: I don't 

[01:13:54] Eldar: think, has nothing wrong with it. 

[01:13:54] Sergiy: It does take away a lot of time from shit I could have been doing, like going to the garage, cleaning up my garage because not my shed. But now I was like, if I didn't play the games, I'd probably lose my fucking mind.

[01:14:04] Eldar: Correct. 

[01:14:04] Sergiy: You know, I was like completely go back, uh, back shot. Crazy. 

[01:14:07] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:14:07] Sergiy: So, 

[01:14:08] Eldar: yeah. 

[01:14:10] Sergiy: But yeah, maybe, I mean, I always try to look within and try to fix those things, but so hard. 

[01:14:15] Eldar: Yeah. It's a lot 

[01:14:15] Sergiy: because you're so used to it. You've been doing this for so long. 

[01:14:17] Eldar: Yeah. And again, we, when we talk about these types of things, a lot of times we're totally suggest at least to the fact that you are.

[01:14:25] Auditing yourself is the, is probably the most dangerous thing. Yeah. Because nobody's coming into your life and saying like, Hey, SGE, why are you doing this? Right. Like this? And then you don't have a challenge. Right. You 

[01:14:38] Sergiy: Well, I have a challenge. My wife checks me every day 20 times a day. 

[01:14:41] Eldar: Yeah. Well, you, you don't agree with her.

[01:14:42] Sergiy: No. Because, 

[01:14:42] Eldar: and you don't, you probably don't respect her. 

[01:14:44] Sergiy: No, I respect her, but judge me nuts. 

[01:14:46] Eldar: Yeah. You don't respect her. 

[01:14:47] Sergiy: Because I'm always checked about everything I do. 

[01:14:49] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. 

[01:14:50] Sergiy: It gets tiring. Yeah. Imagine getting checked for 20 years. 

[01:14:52] Eldar: No, for sure. Yeah. And you, you didn't find that language. You didn't find that communication 

[01:14:56] Sergiy: Yeah.

[01:14:56] Eldar: Style where that's gonna work for you. 

[01:14:58] Sergiy: I chime. It's like you chew too, too loud. You chew too loud with your closed mouth. You chew loud with your open mouth. You look, you, you didn't clean the dishes. You didn't pick up, you didn't pick up the laundry on the way up. You didn't pick up the laundry on the way down.

[01:15:13] Because I am, if I have a mission, I'm gonna get to that mission. 

[01:15:15] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:15:15] Sergiy: My wife will go to that mission, but pick up everything on the way. But I can't. I gotta get to the mission. 

[01:15:19] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:15:19] Sergiy: Because if I'm going to the mission and you tell me to pick this up, I forgot where the fuck I was going. 

[01:15:23] Eldar: Yeah, yeah. You 

[01:15:24] Sergiy: know?

[01:15:24] So 

[01:15:25] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:15:25] Sergiy: I'm battling that shit all the time. 24 7. Yeah. Yes. It drives me insane because I'm always checked all the time. 

[01:15:32] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:15:32] Sergiy: And I was like, yo, I'm a grown man. I don't want, I don't wanna be checked all the time, 24 7, because I wanna do shit on my own. 

[01:15:38] Toliy: Yeah. But you see what you're saying. 

[01:15:40] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:15:41] Toliy: He's checked nonstop.

[01:15:44] Yeah. All day, for example. Or by, you know, by other people. I don't know who, whoever. Right. So then when it comes to himself, like he, he, he, he knows everything for himself and he can't get checked there. 

[01:15:57] Eldar: Yeah. That's why he's chooses himself. 

[01:15:59] Toliy: That's why. Yeah. Like, that's the one part where he doesn't get checked.

[01:16:01] Eldar: Yeah. You 

[01:16:02] Toliy: know? 

[01:16:02] Eldar: That's right. 

[01:16:03] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:16:03] Eldar: He, you disagree with everything she says. 

[01:16:05] Sergiy: Mm-hmm. Most of the time. 

[01:16:07] Eldar: There you go. 

[01:16:08] Toliy: Yeah, 

[01:16:08] Sergiy: because, no, there you go. Yeah. Because she. The thing is just checking me, checking, checking. Oh no, I get it. Tell me what to do. 

[01:16:13] Eldar: I get 

[01:16:14] Sergiy: it. And I was like, yo, I'm a grown man. 

[01:16:16] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:16:16] Sergiy: Don't tell me what to do 24 7.

[01:16:19] You tell me 24 7 what to do. 

[01:16:21] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. 

[01:16:22] Sergiy: And I can't deal with that. 

[01:16:23] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:16:23] Sergiy: I'm like, I don't live with my mom and my parents. I wanna do my own shit. 

[01:16:27] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:16:27] Sergiy: And I'm always told, you should do this. You should do that. You should go here, you should do this. And 24 7. Yeah. And guilt tripping. And I'm like, yo, bro, I'm fucking getting tired because I don't have time for that.

[01:16:36] There you go. So that's where, when everybody goes to sleep, I was like, 

[01:16:39] Eldar: I need to stay up just a little bit for myself. 

[01:16:40] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:16:40] Eldar: I was, wow. I listens. We don't disagree 

[01:16:42] Sergiy: here. Yeah. I was like, wow, this is me now. 

[01:16:44] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:16:45] Sergiy: I'm, I'm chilling. You know, 

[01:16:46] Eldar: I think that. If one day you invite a therapist or maybe some other friends that you trust in order to audit some of your maybe communication style with Kai or some other stuff that's going on.

[01:16:56] You know what I mean? Communication motherfucker. Yeah. Throwing pants and shit and things at you. But 

[01:17:01] Sergiy: no, it got way better than it used to be. But still, 

[01:17:03] Eldar: I'm saying if one day, 

[01:17:04] Sergiy: me and her are very hard headed people. Yeah. 

[01:17:06] Eldar: Yeah. We have some strategies. Yeah. We 

[01:17:08] Sergiy: hit, we hit heads all the time. It's almost impossible.

[01:17:10] Yeah. She says one thing. I said another thing we could never agree. 

[01:17:13] Eldar: See, 

[01:17:13] Sergiy: it's almost impossible. 

[01:17:14] Eldar: You don't show me that arrogance. But to your wife, you are as arrogant as it gets. 

[01:17:17] Sergiy: Well, why? Maybe she's the fucking arrogant one. I'm the normal one. You know what I mean? 

[01:17:22] Eldar: Yeah. Well then you don't have enough influence.

[01:17:24] Sergiy: Maybe we're both arrogant. That's what I'm 

[01:17:25] Eldar: saying. Maybe you not enough. Maybe you not, you don't have enough influence. 

[01:17:28] Sergiy: I don't have influence. I'm a fucking lonely person. I'm home. I'm home all the time by myself. 

[01:17:32] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:17:32] Sergiy: And I have no friends. I don't do, I don't listen. You always invited 

[01:17:37] Eldar: here. 

[01:17:37] Sergiy: I haven't even gone to the gym for two years.

[01:17:40] I don't go to the gym at all. I pay for the gym. I don't even go there. 

[01:17:42] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:17:43] Sergiy: That used to be my place to get away from stuff. Yeah. 

[01:17:45] Eldar: Yeah, yeah. 

[01:17:45] Sergiy: I find I find better things like I, I find better things to do. I know gym is very important to me, but I'm like, okay, I just put the kids to sleep. Now I could go on my computer and relax a little bit that way.

[01:17:57] I mean, I could go back to the gym and relax because if I go to the gym, I can't play the games. 

[01:18:02] Eldar: Well, I think games is very different from gym. You know what I mean? Gym is actually takes mental and physical effort. 

[01:18:08] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:18:08] Eldar: Where games is a lot more. Mental relaxation. No physical at all. Endurance or anything like that?

[01:18:14] I can't, 

[01:18:14] Sergiy: I just can't squeeze anymore too. I used to be able to squeeze both. 

[01:18:17] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:18:17] Sergiy: Now 

[01:18:17] Eldar: I can't. That's why I say there's not enough time in the day for you. 

[01:18:19] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:18:19] Eldar: Yeah. That's why you have to turn one day into two. Find a way to do that. 

[01:18:22] Sergiy: Okay. Yeah. 

[01:18:23] Eldar: Okay. 

[01:18:23] Sergiy: Once I find it all 

[01:18:24] that, 

[01:18:25] Toliy: that, no, actually that's like what those influencers, yeah.

[01:18:27] The retard say like, wake up at 3:00 AM 3:00 AM go to, they're like three to 10. I have one job, you know, I do this and then like I already did a whole day while everyone's just still waking up only at eight or nine. Yeah. Bullshit. It's like 10, 10 to like nine. That's the second day. You know, those are the big, those are the biggest losers.

[01:18:44] Sergiy: It's like people who say I eat only once a day, once a week, and I sleep only three hours a week. I hate the sun. Yeah. Yeah. It's bullshit that not, if it does work, it works for a week after, 

[01:18:53] Mike: or if you just stay on a plane all day and you're, you're just kind of flying to the time zone, like, you know, from New York to California, three hours.

[01:18:58] It just keeps going. You keep getting three more hours. You just fly it on the globe. 

[01:19:03] Eldar: Yeah, man. Yeah. I think ser is definitely, even though he is alone, I think he's not alone at all in his boat. There's a lot of people that are in the same boat as him, you know? 

[01:19:16] Toliy: Yeah. But I, I, I, I do agree with what you're saying, that like, you, you need the thinking to put yourself in position to do some healthy things for yourself, but to me, that's the 

[01:19:25] Eldar: kickstart.

[01:19:26] Toliy: Yeah. You need that kickstart to then do healthy things yourself to then come back and to think more. 

[01:19:30] Eldar: Exactly. 

[01:19:31] Toliy: You keep rolling and you keep, you keep doing healthy. Correct. Yeah. Correct. But that, but the, but the lack of protection happens is like Yeah. When you get a little arrogant or like something, something like that, and you feel like you don't need to keep up.

[01:19:41] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:19:42] Toliy: That's when everything goes, you know? 

[01:19:44] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:19:44] Toliy: Don't, hell 

[01:19:45] Eldar: yeah.

[01:19:49] Toliy: Yeah. But it, but it's also tough because again, like a lot of people like, because mm-hmm. 

[01:19:55] Eldar: Right, because 

[01:19:55] Toliy: they already feel tired. 

[01:19:57] Eldar: Well, yeah, because they got beat up, so 

[01:19:59] Toliy: they're already tired. So, and when you've been like doing something wrong or you're wrong about something for a long time, the reward is not just like guaranteed for you to get right and to get good things done.

[01:20:10] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:20:11] Toliy: But you feel like you've been fucking grinding for a while. You're like searching for that success. 

[01:20:16] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:20:17] Toliy: You know, but to constantly not get it. Yeah. Like you're tired. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, that's probably why, you know? Yeah. Like for, for, for people to keep going and keep, keep, keep trying. It's tough.

[01:20:29] Mike: I agree. 

[01:20:30] Toliy: You know, 

[01:20:31] Mike: but earned. Right. But are you tired because you think you know better? 

[01:20:34] Toliy: Well, no. You're tired because you were just doing something for so long in your life. 

[01:20:39] Mike: You 

[01:20:39] Toliy: exhausted yourself and you were, and you were doing it wrong. 

[01:20:41] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:20:41] Toliy: But you felt internally like you were getting somewhere. 

[01:20:43] Mike: Well, because you think you 

[01:20:44] know 

[01:20:44] Toliy: better and well Yeah.

[01:20:45] But the realization that like, you actually been doing things wrong, that like, it, it, it, it can lead to you feeling, um, like hope hopeless a bit or like extremely ti tired. And like that, like hopelessness and that tiredness goes hand in hand because it's like you thought that you were getting somewhere.

[01:21:05] Eldar: You, you were building, you were building a fucking fortress. 

[01:21:08] Toliy: Yes. 

[01:21:08] Eldar: For all these years. For yourself. Mm-hmm. A huge one piece by piece by piece by piece by piece. This beautiful fortress. Okay. This beautiful castle for yourself. Then you came outside of this castle, you look behind you. You look, it's a pile of shit.

[01:21:23] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:21:25] Eldar: You understand? Yeah. It's a pile of shit. And you realize like, oh, I gotta clean this up. 

[01:21:30] Toliy: But you're exhausted already. 

[01:21:31] Eldar: You are exhausted. You've finished building, 

[01:21:32] Toliy: you've building for, for years. 

[01:21:33] Eldar: For years you've been building 

[01:21:35] Mike: this 

[01:21:35] Toliy: fucking, how do you start over? How do you start learning 

[01:21:36] Mike: shit? But the thing is, there's, there's no other way.

[01:21:39] This is what you have to do in order to persevere. Yes. Nobody has done it any other way. 

[01:21:42] Toliy: Yeah. No. Correct. But it's tiring. It's, it's 

[01:21:45] Mike: tough. Well, this sure, it's, I I agree it ting, but it doesn't change anything. 

[01:21:48] Toliy: Yeah. Like you, you need to, 

[01:21:49] Mike: to get over it. You can not get through it without going through it.

[01:21:51] Correct. 

[01:21:51] Toliy: Yeah. Like you need to get over the, the being tired of it and then you need to start. 

[01:21:55] Mike: But that's part of taking accountability. 

[01:21:57] Toliy: Yes. 

[01:21:58] Mike: And saying that I was under wrong impression, way 

[01:22:00] Toliy: fucking build this 

[01:22:00] Mike: like an idiot. 

[01:22:01] Toliy: But like, because for example, he, I think he still thinks that like there's another like way or like that there's like of course he does because, and he could still keep doing things.

[01:22:09] Arrogant little pup. 

[01:22:10] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:22:10] Toliy: That he could still keep doing 

[01:22:11] Eldar: things. And that's why, that's why a lot of times when I'm like, ask, like goes, so what are we doing? We prescribing the same thing? 

[01:22:16] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[01:22:17] Eldar: Ifs is this under his impression? No problem. Keep going. Enjoy your life the way you do. You know what I mean?

[01:22:22] You want to keep doing this, trying to squeeze two days out of one. That's your choice. 

[01:22:25] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:22:26] Eldar: You know what I mean? You want to keep making these, these conclusions about the world. That's your choice. Go ahead. You need more suffering and pain to finally kick you in your ass and finally say like, yo, are you gonna change this or no?

[01:22:35] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[01:22:36] Eldar: You know what I mean? I told you my neighbor died. 

[01:22:38] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[01:22:39] Eldar: Right from brain aneurysm. Yeah. 42, 43 years old or whatever. Right. When his wife came out, finally I was like, I said my sorry to her. She's crying. She's like, yo, like I can't believe it. I can't believe it. Like we wasted all our life doing fucking absolutely nothing.

[01:22:54] Just working and stressing. She's like, I, we haven't been on vacation for the last 10 years. 

[01:22:59] Mike: Mm. 

[01:22:59] Eldar: What the fuck is wrong with us? Yeah. And for what? And now he's dead. 

[01:23:03] Which 

[01:23:03] Sergiy: guy? 

[01:23:04] Eldar: Huh? 

[01:23:05] Sergiy: The one behind you? 

[01:23:06] Eldar: Yeah. Right next to me. 

[01:23:07] Sergiy: The one behind you? 

[01:23:07] Eldar: Not behind me. No. Next door. Oh, next door. Up the hill. Up the hill Up.

[01:23:11] Sergiy: Oh, 

[01:23:11] Eldar: up the hill. The left side. Yeah. Couple years ago. 

[01:23:13] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:23:13] Eldar: You know, two years ago or whatever. You know, 

[01:23:16] Toliy: and 

[01:23:16] Eldar: you were 

[01:23:16] Toliy: 42, 

[01:23:17] Eldar: he was like 42, 43 years old, you know? And she's like, what the fuck? You know, like, like, what the fuck? And she, she's saying is because she's knows that all they did was stress about money.

[01:23:28] All they did stress about work, they didn't do any vacations, any relaxation, all this sort of stuff. And know what I mean? Sooner or later it's gonna catch up and bite you in the ass. Yeah. You know? And then you're gonna have these regrets or whatever that you didn't live. 

[01:23:40] Toliy: Yeah. It's like that, that, uh, Chinese like Right.

[01:23:41] That prove proverb, right? 

[01:23:43] Eldar: Mm-hmm. I 

[01:23:44] Toliy: think Dalai Lamo said it right? Or that like Right. He said that like, man spell spends like his whole life, uh, working, like sacrificing his, his, his, his health 

[01:23:54] Eldar: to 

[01:23:55] Toliy: work money. Yeah. To work for money. 

[01:23:57] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:23:57] Toliy: And then after he's done working, he uses the money he earned to gain back his health.

[01:24:00] Eldar: To try to No, try to get 

[01:24:01] Toliy: back his health. Yeah. To try to repair 

[01:24:04] Eldar: his health. Yeah. 

[01:24:04] Toliy: Repair everything. Yeah. So it's like a, yeah. Yeah. Like in that example, it's like a, a lifelong, like chasing of your tail. 

[01:24:12] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. Because you were living under the wrong impression. 

[01:24:16] Toliy: Yeah, yeah. 

[01:24:18] Eldar: You know? 

[01:24:18] Toliy: Yeah.

[01:24:24] Eldar: Yeah. So how are we gonna be able to maximize our fun and live a stress-free life more in peace in order not to 

[01:24:34] Sergiy: when? When you need to. Earthship, 

[01:24:37] Eldar: you know, always people that are most stressed, they just want to get away. They just want to go to the nature. 

[01:24:44] Sergiy: Yeah. That's what I do. I always wanna go 

[01:24:46] somewhere 

[01:24:46] Sergiy: else.

[01:24:46] Eldar: It's always dreaming about that. 

[01:24:47] Sergiy: I always wanna buy a house somewhere else and just retire. 

[01:24:49] Eldar: Yeah. Be off the grid. 

[01:24:51] Sergiy: Yeah. Off the grid from 

[01:24:52] Eldar: the shit 

[01:24:52] Sergiy: you know it yourself. 

[01:24:53] Eldar: Well, no, no, I do. I do. And I think that there's, it's, those thought patterns are very specific in nature, you know? And I know why they come, you know, I think they're necessary too.

[01:25:04] You know, little pockets of freedom. Yeah. That we can maybe strive towards, you know? But it never comes. We become old, dusty, you know, and hurting and pain and we never actualize those things,

[01:25:21] so Yeah. 

[01:25:22] Toliy: Yeah. Like the, uh, the, the general model, right, is like you school then work, you get like your pension, like your retirement, then you retire and then you're just like, you die. So like injured, like mentally and physically from your whole life that like, 

[01:25:35] Eldar: yeah, 

[01:25:36] Toliy: you can't do shit anyway. 

[01:25:37] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:25:38] Toliy: You're tired.

[01:25:39] Eldar: Well, your dad's blueprint. 

[01:25:40] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:25:40] Eldar: That's how it's supposed to be. Yeah. That's how life is and that's how it's supposed 

[01:25:44] Sergiy: to be. And just bust your ass and do nothing. I mean, at least, yeah. I mean, I enjoy my life, but I have some things that are stressful that I do, but I enjoy my life versus other people. 

[01:25:56] Eldar: Well, only versus other people.

[01:25:57] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:25:58] Eldar: Right. 

[01:25:58] Sergiy: Not not. Versus 

[01:25:59] Eldar: myself. What if you didn't know those people? Those people. Erase those people from your mind or those examples from your mind. All the bad ones. Especially. Yeah. And you're the, you are. You're the bar. You shit's fucked. I'm 

[01:26:08] Sergiy: fucked. I'm the 

[01:26:09] Eldar: wrong. You're dying tomorrow. 

[01:26:10] Sergiy: I'm the wrong example of 

[01:26:12] Eldar: You see 

[01:26:12] Sergiy: what it should be.

[01:26:13] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. You see, 

[01:26:15] Sergiy: we could, that was the only way I think for now I could survive. 

[01:26:17] Eldar: I know. By being grateful, maybe comparing yourself to the kids in India. I get it. 

[01:26:21] Sergiy: Yeah. I do that a lot. I was like, I was like, 

[01:26:24] Eldar: we had a guy too. Was you Like the kids in Pakistan? 

[01:26:26] Sergiy: And I was like, damn, I have a bad, I was like, this motherfucker's out there dying from malaria and no food and I'm here crying, thriving, nice.

[01:26:34] Crying in my nice house, in my nice car. 

[01:26:36] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:26:36] Sergiy: That they have it hard. Which, which I don't have hard. And I just created all this bullshit in my own head. 

[01:26:41] Eldar: You see, you know this. 

[01:26:42] Sergiy: I know that. But, but it's hard. 

[01:26:45] Eldar: That's why I think that movie Memento, I think we would have to watch it. 

[01:26:48] Sergiy: Me 

[01:26:48] Eldar: now that I'm now, now that I'm older, and I'm not gonna be scared of it.

[01:26:52] I have to watch it because it explains this right here. He created this little prison. He's the guard. He's the, he created this? 

[01:26:58] Sergiy: Yeah. Oh, a hundred percent. 

[01:27:00] Eldar: You watched that movie or no? 

[01:27:02] Sergiy: Memento? Yeah. A long time ago. 

[01:27:03] Eldar: Watch it again. That's 

[01:27:04] Sergiy: good. 'cause I, I know, I know. I control, like my mind and the things that I enjoy don't, like, I have a lot of, I have a lot of walls that shouldn't be there anymore, even at my age.

[01:27:15] Eldar: So, so you like being sick. How long are you gonna be sick for? 

[01:27:18] Sergiy: No, I don't like being sick. 

[01:27:20] Eldar: Okay, fine. 

[01:27:21] Sergiy: No. 

[01:27:21] Eldar: How long are you gonna be sick for? 

[01:27:22] Sergiy: And I'm not, I think I have a lot of walls, which I take down one by one. Slowly. I just h so many that it takes, it is gonna take me a long time. I took many years to build those walls and that was gonna take me many years to take 'em down.

[01:27:33] Eldar: Mm-hmm. So you're on the slow path. 

[01:27:35] Sergiy: Slow path, you know, I'm trying to take it down one by one. 

[01:27:37] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Because 

[01:27:37] Sergiy: if 

[01:27:38] Eldar: you like to take your time. 

[01:27:39] Sergiy: Yeah. Because if I do it too fast, like I usually do, and then it will just, the walls will come back. Maybe like I took 'em down and they somehow rebuild themselves 

[01:27:46] Eldar: somehow.

[01:27:46] I like that. I like that. 

[01:27:49] Sergiy: I mean, the life is not hard. 

[01:27:50] Eldar: Totally. Do you feel that way or no? Your journey. That the walls just gonna come back randomly and that's it. And they're just gonna like, revisit you 

[01:27:56] Toliy: and just not, not randomly, but I definitely feel like the, um, like there's like unconscious, just like thinking Yeah.

[01:28:04] That like, um, 

[01:28:06] Eldar: remnants 

[01:28:06] Toliy: for PTSD pops up and you really have to like 

[01:28:09] Eldar: shoot them down. 

[01:28:10] Toliy: Yeah. You know? 

[01:28:12] Eldar: Yeah. Interesting. 

[01:28:13] Toliy: But again, it's tough when it's c child childhood things that like are like just ingrained in you. 

[01:28:18] Eldar: Ingrained. Yeah. 

[01:28:19] Toliy: And just, and like, and the funny thing is you 

[01:28:20] Sergiy: don't, you don't see them as a kid.

[01:28:22] You only, you only impact you when you're older. 

[01:28:26] Eldar: That's why like the parents, are you gonna put your kid into therapy now? 

[01:28:30] Sergiy: Uh, not for now, but we're thinking it's gonna happen because 

[01:28:33] Eldar: I think you should asap, bro. 

[01:28:34] Sergiy: Yeah, because 

[01:28:35] Eldar: I think if you passed on these genes to him 

[01:28:37] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:28:37] Eldar: And now this is, you finally seeing certain things come out already that are alarming to you.

[01:28:42] I'm telling you right now, you better get some professional help on him, man. Yeah. 

[01:28:44] Sergiy: We've been, we've been thinking that if, if all the fuck out blood results come back, we have to take 'em in because the way he panicked, 

[01:28:51] Eldar: whatever. It's not a bad thing. Like therapy. 

[01:28:52] Sergiy: That's a good thing. 

[01:28:53] Eldar: That's a good thing.

[01:28:54] George goes, don't, don't you have a bad stigma around 

[01:28:56] Sergiy: this. Yeah. No, no. He goes, daddy, I'm telling you right now, I am fine. I've never seen him speak like that. Like he spoke like a 10-year-old. 

[01:29:03] Eldar: Yeah, 

[01:29:03] Sergiy: I am fine. I ate this and this today. He tells me exactly what his eyes are lit up. But I touch his heart was like, and he's pale white, and I was like, yo, this guy is fucking having a crazy 

[01:29:13] Eldar: panic 

[01:29:14] Sergiy: attack, panic attack.

[01:29:15] And every time he calls up now he goes and he trying to not to let it out. Mm-hmm. He goes, okay, I wanna go sleep. My head hurts, my ears hurt. I'm sick like that. And I'm like, bro, it happened to you a year ago. And then it went away and I was, I was like, it's fine, it's gonna go away. And no, as soon as he comes home, the school, they said, no problem.

[01:29:33] As soon as he comes home, he looks at the TV and he goes, it's too loud. I'm gonna go sleep. 

[01:29:37] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:29:38] Sergiy: So I'm like, I a hundred percent. I think it's mental. We checked today. We did, yeah. Yeah. Today we did a test for, um, uh, tick bites. If that comes back to normal, it's a hundred percent mental. 'cause we checked everything.

[01:29:49] Mm-hmm. Besides brain scan, he didn't hit himself anywhere, but he keeps coming up with crazy shit. My stomach hurts, my head hurts, my ears hurt. I hear it loud and I'm like, dude, this, this guy's just telling me the shit and I'm panicking. 

[01:30:02] Eldar: Sounds, sounds like old, like, 

[01:30:03] Sergiy: yeah. Yeah. And I'm panic. And I was like, yo, my little kid is telling me all this shit.

[01:30:06] I, I, I can't control it. I can't do anything about it. Yeah. So one day he went to the doctor to do a blood test for this, for that, 

[01:30:12] Eldar: yeah. 

[01:30:12] Sergiy: Last year he had low iron, so we thought maybe the low iron is causing that. So we were convinced that this year it's the low iron, it's happening again. Low iron is higher than it was.

[01:30:21] It was fine if something like shit, you know? So I'm also panicking at the same time if I can, laying in bed, panicking about my kid, my, you know, and he's also over there panicking, 

[01:30:30] Eldar: bro. I think therapy bro. Get, get, get there asap and that's it. 

[01:30:33] Sergiy: Yeah, so we have a, we actually. Lucas, uh, crossing guard in school is a therapist.

[01:30:38] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:30:39] Sergiy: Uh, he's a, 

[01:30:40] Eldar: this is just like a side gig? 

[01:30:42] Sergiy: Uh, no, he's a crossing guard. He does it for kids because he is a mental therapist. 

[01:30:45] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:30:46] Sergiy: Every Friday he comes in in the morning, turns music on, and crosses the kids over. That's his thing. He does and then goes to his office and he runs his own office. 

[01:30:53] Eldar: Oh, okay.

[01:30:53] Sergiy: And he is a, uh, okay. A therapist for kids. So maybe that guy, he's very cool and Luke knows him already. 

[01:30:58] Eldar: Well, obviously do your research and, you know, interview some of these therapists. Make sure you're comfortable and make sure. 

[01:31:02] Sergiy: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm, I, I, like, every time I meet him, he's very nice. I'm, yeah.

[01:31:06] I shake his hand. 

[01:31:07] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:31:08] Sergiy: He talks to me sometimes, like, and, um, 

[01:31:10] Eldar: yeah. Don't, don't stall it. Because like, especially kids' imagination is so like, 

[01:31:14] Sergiy: yeah. 

[01:31:14] Eldar: Yeah. Once they think something, that's it. I know he can run with it and he's gonna, he's gonna right now define how his next 20 years gonna be. Yeah. If he makes a 

[01:31:23] Toliy: conclusion, 

[01:31:24] Eldar: if he makes conclusions about the world and himself in it.

[01:31:26] Oh, well. So 

[01:31:27] Sergiy: he's gonna become a. What do you call Conac? What do couple Conac. Hypochondriac. 

[01:31:33] Eldar: Yeah, 

[01:31:33] Sergiy: yeah, 

[01:31:34] Eldar: yeah. 

[01:31:34] Sergiy: He was like always looking at his skin on his fingers now. 

[01:31:36] Eldar: Yeah. He's very aware 

[01:31:37] Sergiy: of everything. He was like, what is this little do? He's always asking me about das. I was like, where did this come from?

[01:31:42] He's like, what happens when you die? I was like, bro, I didn't think about death until I was like 14 years old. 

[01:31:46] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:31:46] Sergiy: My son is four. He's thinking about death. Yeah. Well's. He's asking me about those. I was like, maybe in school somebody told him, 

[01:31:52] Eldar: listen, if he, you, you want him to end up in YP with me, get him to a therapist now.

[01:31:57] Sergiy: Oh. What happened to your project? 2050. He 

[01:32:00] Eldar: is projecting. 

[01:32:01] Sergiy: He's still, he's still alive. 

[01:32:02] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:32:02] Sergiy: Are you guys still working with him? 

[01:32:03] Eldar: Of course. 

[01:32:04] Sergiy: I thought you told me he bounced. 

[01:32:05] Eldar: Well, he did bounce, but like we're still like on top of him. 

[01:32:08] Sergiy: Oh, he came back? 

[01:32:09] Eldar: Oh no, he wanted to come for lunch today, but he, uh, 

[01:32:11] Sergiy: oh, so you guys haven't been in contact for a while?

[01:32:13] Eldar: No. Oh no. We, we talked to him, but not like, you know, not close contact. 

[01:32:16] Sergiy: Oh 

[01:32:16] Eldar: wow. Like, uh, COVID 

[01:32:17] Sergiy: close contact. 

[01:32:18] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:32:19] Sergiy: Like that movie Close contact. Okay. Okay. I thought that was a failed project already. Yeah. 

[01:32:23] Eldar: Look, Serge, I think that this is very important for your kid. 

[01:32:26] Sergiy: Yeah, of course. I know. 

[01:32:27] Eldar: You know what I'm saying?

[01:32:27] So like, don't, don't sleep on the shit. You already, you are already a gunner, bro. 

[01:32:30] Sergiy: Yeah, I know. I'm too old already. 

[01:32:31] Eldar: You're too old for the shit. But yeah, if you don't want his life to right now be, you know, pain and suffering for a long period of time. 

[01:32:37] Sergiy: But it's, the funny thing is like for a year it was perfect, like no issues.

[01:32:40] I mean, he went through that, 

[01:32:41] Eldar: oh shit. 

[01:32:42] Sergiy: Happens for like a month and then it was perfect and that was happening again. So it was hard because you watching this little kid suffering. Yeah. He's too small to even, I was like, some of this shit, I was like, how the fuck do you even think about this stuff? 

[01:32:52] Eldar: He picked it up from you.

[01:32:52] He's mind reading. You're dumb ass. 

[01:32:54] Sergiy: But he doesn't even talk to, like, he doesn't talk to me about his stuff. He's 

[01:32:57] Eldar: observing you. 

[01:32:57] Sergiy: You think so? But of 

[01:32:58] Eldar: course. 

[01:32:58] Sergiy: No, I do all this stuff in the middle of the night. 

[01:33:01] Eldar: By yourself. Right? 

[01:33:02] Sergiy: By myself. Like I do all my suffering alone. 

[01:33:04] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:33:05] Sergiy: I never show it to my kids. 

[01:33:06] Eldar: Yeah.

[01:33:06] Because they'll pick that shit up, you know? 

[01:33:08] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:33:08] Eldar: They'll listen and they'll hear, and they're like, oh shit. Okay. Well, 

[01:33:10] Sergiy: it's possible. He hears me and Kai argue, which I don't like. 

[01:33:13] Eldar: Yeah. That's not good. 

[01:33:14] Sergiy: Yeah. I always tell Kai, do not argue in front of the kids, but you know how women are. They have, they have no control over their feelings.

[01:33:20] Eldar: They have no control of themselves. Yeah. Women have no control. 

[01:33:22] Sergiy: No control over their feelings whatsoever. Well, no, 

[01:33:26] Eldar: this is Serge's opinion, not Dennis R's opinion. 

[01:33:29] Sergiy: No. 

[01:33:30] Eldar: Yeah. Alright, so what do we got? Final thoughts? Do we find the, the, the culprit of all of our suffering, uh, arrogant and egotistical mind that's making conclusions about the world.

[01:33:41] That is completely off and wrong. 

[01:33:43] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:33:44] Toliy: But why, why do you think it needs to be like, distinguished? Like, oh, that it's your ego. Like why does it, why do you think they had to create like a name for it? Like why can't I think we identify that's you? 

[01:33:54] Eldar: Uh, because there's almost found si uh, it almost feels like there's several si uh, sides of us.

[01:34:00] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:34:00] Eldar: You know what I mean? 

[01:34:01] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:34:02] Eldar: And. So who's under control at what point? You know what I mean? Yeah. 

[01:34:07] Toliy: Okay. 

[01:34:08] Eldar: That's why I think that we find, found a way to distinguish one versus the other. You wanna do use a different word? We can 

[01:34:14] Toliy: No, no, no. I'm just wondering like, yeah. How do they, like, how do they even invent that word?

[01:34:18] Like how do they even get to that place where they 

[01:34:21] Eldar: have to? Yeah. I mean after, after Some are trying to make sense of the world. Yeah. They, yeah. We, certain behavior, right? Like, oh, this kid getting angry all the time. Like, oh, he's got anger issues. 

[01:34:29] Toliy: Okay. 

[01:34:30] Eldar: Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, like something's wrong with him.

[01:34:32] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:34:32] Eldar: Or this kid is funny. You know what I mean? Like, oh, he's a funny kid, you know, like whatever the biggest, you know, Ari, this kid is fucking a know it all. You know, this is arrogant kid, you know? So we just label these things the way we do. 

[01:34:43] Sergiy: But I don't like that when you label people, like, I don't like when people label me.

[01:34:47] Eldar: He's 

[01:34:48] Sergiy: like, you, you, you are an angry looking guy, so you most likely I was like, yeah, I look angry, but I'm not fucking angry. 

[01:34:53] Eldar: But like, like we say, we are trying to make sense of the world, right? We, and a lot of times that's what we do. We ignorant and therefore we stereotype each other all the time. 

[01:35:00] Toliy: Pe pe people associate, okay, someone with money is happy, for example.

[01:35:04] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:35:04] Toliy: It's like a stereotype that doesn't make 

[01:35:06] Sergiy: more money, more problems. 

[01:35:07] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:35:08] Toliy: Yeah. That guy with the, with with, with like, you know, like the, the money could be miserable, but society's like, oh, I want that because Yeah, yeah. 

[01:35:15] Sergiy: Of course. 

[01:35:15] Toliy: That's their stereotype of a good thing. What, what, what they think is a good thing.

[01:35:19] Eldar: Correct. 

[01:35:19] Toliy: You know? 

[01:35:19] Eldar: Correct. So, yeah. That's why, that's what I think that is, you know, but, and this case is a ego at play. Our arrogance is at play for all of our suffering. And that 

[01:35:27] Sergiy: should What about, what? About, what about ignorance? 

[01:35:30] Eldar: Ignorance. Yeah. Yeah. That's So what he said that a lot of our suffering comes from ignorance.

[01:35:33] Sergiy: Ignorance is bliss. 

[01:35:35] Eldar: I don't know about all that, but 

[01:35:36] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:35:38] Eldar: Yeah. You know, 

[01:35:40] Sergiy: the less you know, the better you sleep. Mm. 

[01:35:44] Eldar: Gimme some final thoughts. Serge, what do you think? Are we onto something here or what can, can, can this, this idea or the, or being aware of this, help others? The fact that, look, we're just arrogant, bastards walking around.

[01:35:57] If we're suffering is because of the fact that we made certain conclusions about the world, about ourselves. Just like your son is right now, right? Mm-hmm. Is gonna go through, he's making conclusions about himself and the world freaking himself out. 

[01:36:08] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[01:36:09] Eldar: Uh, without actually understanding what's actually going on and somebody else.

[01:36:12] We need to, we need to have a professional right now bring in, bring in, in order to be able to dispel some of these belief systems that he is earned or acquired, maybe from you even, you know what I mean? In order to get rid of some of that suffering so he can build his own life and his own conclusions about the world.

[01:36:27] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:36:27] Eldar: And not his daddy's or his mama's. 

[01:36:31] Sergiy: Oh, 

[01:36:31] Eldar: see, look at that. He's yawning. You know why he's yawning. We we're, we we're curing him. We, 

[01:36:36] Mike: we gave him them, honey. 

[01:36:37] Eldar: We gave him honey. He's, he's resting now. His mind's fine. It's like, oh, this is exactly what I needed. 

[01:36:41] Sergiy: Well, I come in, I come and took podcast as a therapy because of course I get to get away from stuff that I usually do every day.

[01:36:47] Eldar: Yeah. '

[01:36:47] Sergiy: cause I 

[01:36:49] Eldar: think that we 

[01:36:49] Sergiy: all need a break. 

[01:36:50] Eldar: I think that you might be under depression, that you get getting away from that stuff. But in, at least in Now podcast, we're gonna bring it all out and you actually have to face it. And that's where the magic happens. Okay. I told you or no? 

[01:37:03] Sergiy: Yeah, no, I agree. This podcast was very good because it brought up a lot of, 

[01:37:06] Eldar: A lot of your personal stuff.

[01:37:07] A lot 

[01:37:07] Sergiy: of my stuff. Yeah. 'cause you know, you hide it for a while and 

[01:37:10] Eldar: Yes. 

[01:37:10] Sergiy: Eventually you're like, yo, maybe I should share it. And people could, 

[01:37:13] Eldar: yeah. Make sense of 

[01:37:14] Sergiy: it, analyze it, you know, because we're all hiding something. 

[01:37:17] Eldar: Well, yeah, I think we're all struggling with some stuff. Yeah. And the reason why we're hiding is a different story, obviously.

[01:37:22] You know, maybe we don't trust people and this sort of stuff, but at least in this podcast, we try to make sense of this fucking thing. 

[01:37:27] Sergiy: Yeah, of 

[01:37:27] Eldar: course. 'cause we're all human and we're all going through something. 

[01:37:30] Sergiy: Yeah, I think, I think you should, you know, all these things have to be checked. You have to not forget to check yourself because it's your wellbeing.

[01:37:37] Yeah. We're so busy with life that we always try to ignore it. Ah, I'll do this later. I'll do this later. 

[01:37:42] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:37:42] Sergiy: I'll deal with this later. Just lemme continue. The way this, we 

[01:37:44] Eldar: neglect ourselves. 

[01:37:45] Sergiy: Yeah. We neglect ourselves all the time. 

[01:37:46] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:37:46] Sergiy: You know, stomach hurts. Instead of going to the doctor and say, Hey, let's check what's going on in my stomach, he's like, ah, I'll pop a pill.

[01:37:52] We will take it away. Mm-hmm. And 20 years later he's like, yeah, motherfucker. You got some big problems in your stomach. Yeah. Or somewhere else in your body. 

[01:37:58] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:37:59] Sergiy: So you, and we always think we're the doctors, we always think that we know everything about the cells. Same thing mentally. I think I know it. I was like, people, people before told me, I was like, maybe you go see a professional.

[01:38:09] Like, nah, I'm the professional. 

[01:38:12] Eldar: There you go. 

[01:38:12] Sergiy: I know everything about myself. 

[01:38:14] Eldar: That sounds like arrogance, sir. Yeah. 

[01:38:15] Sergiy: Well I, I'm sure there's an arrogance in there. 

[01:38:17] Toliy: Yeah. But this, this is also just like, uh, like what last, like 20 years if that like thing, like mm-hmm. Like, like we were talking back in the day.

[01:38:27] No one like stayed home from work because they have men mental problems. You know? Like you work in like the factory. 

[01:38:32] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:38:33] Toliy: Like fuck, just go to work. 

[01:38:35] Eldar: Yeah. You can talk about 

[01:38:36] Toliy: this. Yeah. Now it's like if someone like denies you something from like mental, it's over for you. 

[01:38:40] Eldar: Well, I think that maybe it's also fear based.

[01:38:42] They don't want you to come and shoot up the place. 

[01:38:43] Toliy: Well, yeah, that and like there's lawsuits and like 

[01:38:46] Eldar: Yeah, of course. 

[01:38:47] Toliy: Stuff like that. But what I'm saying is that back in the day, this was not even a thought. 

[01:38:51] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:38:52] Toliy: Like, oh, I'm gonna stay 

[01:38:53] Eldar: home. You also don't know. You also don't know. 

[01:38:55] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:38:55] Eldar: I think, I'm pretty sure that if you're having a 

[01:38:57] Toliy: breakdown, you gonna have a breakdown.

[01:38:59] Yeah. There, there's just more raising awareness of it now and it's more open and Okay. 

[01:39:03] Mike: Which is a good thing. 

[01:39:04] Toliy: Yeah. Versus before. I think that my information is 

[01:39:06] Mike: much more accessible now too, so. 

[01:39:07] Toliy: Exactly. 

[01:39:07] Mike: It travels 

[01:39:08] Toliy: faster 

[01:39:08] Mike: as well. Yeah. 

[01:39:09] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:39:09] Mike: So 

[01:39:09] Toliy: it's, yeah. I think before it was more like passive life 

[01:39:11] Mike: was maybe simpler back then.

[01:39:13] Maybe not. 

[01:39:16] Eldar: So totally did not learn any lesson about correlations means causation, 

[01:39:18] Mike: but he, 

[01:39:19] Eldar: he's making 

[01:39:19] Toliy: a 

[01:39:19] Eldar: conclusion about the world potentially. 

[01:39:21] Toliy: No, no. I'm just saying that like now there's definitely more like talk about it. It's definitely more. Were you there 

[01:39:25] Eldar: back then to survey that or no. To survey those 

[01:39:27] Toliy: people?

[01:39:27] No. Fine. No. Yeah. 

[01:39:28] Eldar: Okay. Cool. 

[01:39:29] Toliy: Yeah, I guess that, that, that's just, he like percepts the ring of 

[01:39:31] Eldar: it though. 

[01:39:31] Toliy: No, that, that's just a perception of it. There you go. 

[01:39:33] Eldar: I like that word a lot 

[01:39:34] Toliy: better. Yeah. PE people probably still suffered mentally and stuff like that. He's just 

[01:39:38] Eldar: assuming. Yes. There you go. 

[01:39:39] Toliy: Yeah. The, just a perception that people were just like, not like, no.

[01:39:43] You're just assuming. He 

[01:39:44] Eldar: just sees this utopia that in 

[01:39:45] Sergiy: 1970s and 

[01:39:46] Eldar: 1980s, everybody just kind of had a milkman and they all drank milk together. Drink breast milk. 

[01:39:51] Toliy: No. No, they weren't, no, 

[01:39:53] Sergiy: they were, they were drinking plutonium laced milk. 

[01:39:56] Toliy: Didn't know about it. They, they still had men mental issues, but I feel like may maybe like.

[01:40:01] Eldar: There 

[01:40:01] Toliy: were hush, hush was didn. No, I didn't know what to call it. Or 

[01:40:04] Sergiy: there was just less data because now we have more data. That's why we know there's more problems. There was always problems. There was maybe even more before the No. 

[01:40:11] Toliy: You think so? 

[01:40:11] Sergiy: Yeah. There's, because there was no so much data. Now we have computers, data, everything 

[01:40:14] Toliy: is kept, everything track.

[01:40:15] There's also like, so before people track on the piece of 

[01:40:17] Sergiy: paper, 

[01:40:18] Toliy: you don't think that that created more mental anxieties? Like all, all? 

[01:40:21] Eldar: Well, how about, how about the Holocaust, bro? Let's assume that you're a person who believes that it did happen. Right? 

[01:40:27] Toliy: Okay. Mm-hmm. 

[01:40:28] Eldar: Because some people out there nowadays don't even believe that it happened.

[01:40:30] Yeah, 

[01:40:30] Toliy: I heard about that. Okay. 

[01:40:31] Eldar: You know what I'm saying? Like 

[01:40:32] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:40:32] Eldar: There was a person who put his whole country on to kill a whole bunch of people. Right. For whatever reasons he thought was 

[01:40:40] Toliy: without social media. 

[01:40:42] Eldar: Without social media. He put them all 

[01:40:43] Toliy: that. That's crazy. 

[01:40:44] Eldar: Put he put 'em on. You know what I mean?

[01:40:45] That's crazy. 85 years ago, the, yeah, exactly. Like he had the, he had the ability to spread a very specific rhetoric. 

[01:40:53] Toliy: Yeah. That that's crazy. 

[01:40:55] Eldar: And they had like, they all were on it, right? Yeah. Like how many people had to be involved and get killed and 

[01:40:59] Toliy: like can you imagine if he had like social media and all that back in the day?

[01:41:02] Sergiy: It could be worse. 

[01:41:03] Eldar: Yeah, it could have been worse. 

[01:41:04] Sergiy: Now you can manipulate people doing 

[01:41:05] Eldar: anything. Yeah. It's 

[01:41:06] Sergiy: different now. 

[01:41:07] Eldar: You know what I'm saying? So like, you know, you would have to like look back in history. History that like fuck is definitely was talking 

[01:41:14] Mike: about this shit 5,000 years ago. 

[01:41:15] Eldar: Yeah. 2000 more.

[01:41:17] 3002 and a half. Yeah. 

[01:41:19] Toliy: 3002 

[01:41:20] Eldar: and a half. I think that's crazy. 

[01:41:21] Sergiy: Why was she so smart so long ago? 

[01:41:23] Eldar: Well, again, it's, it's, I think that people were people, you know what I mean? I think that we still have minds and people thought things through, you know, when they talked and had conversations, dialogues like this.

[01:41:32] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:41:33] Eldar: And do you 

[01:41:33] Sergiy: think he, he was, I mean, I don't know anything about him. Was he like secluded somewhere for a long time and he just sat there and thought about everything because you need a lot 

[01:41:40] Eldar: of kind No, no. His, his whole story was like that. The oracle of Delphi said that he's the wisest man in the city.

[01:41:45] Yeah. And he is like, wait, what? What are you talking about? So he went and tried to find out and how he did it by just going around asking questions like, what the fuck, what the fuck is going on? Mm-hmm. And he became just this pest of asking questions and through asking questions he learned and he became very wise 

[01:41:59] Toliy: and he realized a lot of people that, that don't know 

[01:42:01] Eldar: what the fuck 

[01:42:01] Toliy: they're talking about.

[01:42:02] They like said that they were wise when he started to ask him questions. They didn't know shit. They weren't, yeah, they didn't know shit. But they were calling themselves wise, the 

[01:42:07] Sergiy: wise man, the self later. But the 

[01:42:08] Toliy: oracle said that he's the wisest person. 

[01:42:10] Sergiy: Like that test where the best violinist who was playing 10 million violin in the metro.

[01:42:14] Eldar: Oh 

[01:42:14] Sergiy: yeah. Nobody stopped like my, maybe like one old person to listen to him. 

[01:42:18] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:42:19] Sergiy: And he sell sells. Thousand dollars worth tickets full. You full auditoriums to play. 

[01:42:26] Eldar: There you go. 

[01:42:27] Sergiy: Because people were like sheep. Just same thing. Like anywhere that happens, like all these guy's. The best everybody has to go there.

[01:42:33] Yeah. Sheep mentality. And when he was playing the same violin, the same melody ran 

[01:42:37] Mike: the people 

[01:42:38] Sergiy: in the random people like 

[01:42:39] Mike: a 3 million violin or something. That's crazy. Yeah. 

[01:42:41] Sergiy: Crazy. Nobody even cared who he was. They thought he was a homeless man. 

[01:42:43] Mike: Homeless man. Yeah. 

[01:42:44] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:42:45] Mike: But he was still creating the crazy music.

[01:42:46] Right. 

[01:42:47] Sergiy: Beautiful. The most beautiful music I ever made on the violin. 

[01:42:49] Mike: That shows. Shows that's even worse. That makes people look bad. 

[01:42:51] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:42:52] Mike: They just give the vibe because they pay a lot of money. 

[01:42:54] Toliy: Well, that, that's also why people like, uh, what's 

[01:42:56] Mike: marketing 

[01:42:57] Toliy: too? 

[01:42:58] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:42:59] Toliy: They know nothing about him, but the perception.

[01:43:01] And the perception. 

[01:43:01] Sergiy: Oh, the Instagram dude. There's so many people. There's a, a Instagram channel that I like a lot. It got shut down recently came back online because the guys who was taking down, it's called Ball Busters. Mm-hmm. And he's bus, he's, uh, busting all the fake gurus online. 

[01:43:15] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:43:15] Sergiy: And he's like, dude, this guy's a making mo multimillions of dollars of people believing their bullshit.

[01:43:21] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:43:21] Sergiy: Like all their lies. 

[01:43:23] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:43:23] Sergiy: And they could come off with anything they want. 

[01:43:25] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:43:25] Sergiy: As some kind of new program for, you know, being the best man or best diet, which is all bs. 

[01:43:32] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:43:32] Sergiy: Selling the same ebook over and over. 

[01:43:34] Eldar: Yeah, it's true. 'cause there's so many people in the world now 

[01:43:37] Sergiy: and there's so many gullible people.

[01:43:39] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:43:39] Sergiy: Like, I don't think I'm a gullible person. I always thought to, to myself, I was like, like I cannot make money doing this because I know how this is so easy. Then I realized there's people who don't know Jack shit. 

[01:43:51] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:43:51] Sergiy: To them it's like another, yeah. This is 

[01:43:53] Eldar: like advanced thing. 

[01:43:53] Sergiy: Absolutely. 

[01:43:54] Toliy: How many people do you think that you could tune their that, that you could tell 'em that you tuned the car but you didn't.

[01:43:59] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:43:59] Toliy: And they would be like, oh shit. Of course. That's much faster. 

[01:44:01] Mike: That's why placebo exists in 

[01:44:03] Sergiy: medical 

[01:44:03] Mike: studies. Yeah. 

[01:44:04] Sergiy: Yeah. There's actually, there's a guy in New Jersey, a shop that has one star a hundred or 200 reviews. 

[01:44:12] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[01:44:13] Sergiy: And that's what he does. He does placebo for a lot of people. 

[01:44:15] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:44:15] Sergiy: He brings them in, takes their car for an hour in the back.

[01:44:20] He makes a little skull in the exhaust to make it sound a little louder. 

[01:44:24] Eldar: That's it. 

[01:44:25] Sergiy: Brings it out. Out. Takes them for a ride, but takes the, puts their car in a sport plus mode. 

[01:44:29] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[01:44:30] Sergiy: But puts them as a passenger because passenger receives a better 

[01:44:33] Mike: experience. 

[01:44:34] Sergiy: Experience than the driver. 

[01:44:35] Mike: Of course. Yeah.

[01:44:36] Sergiy: They're like, bro, this is amazing. They go with their own day like, yo, I got this tuned and everything. And then somebody later on racism them and they loose to them and they're like, bro, what the fuck? My car is supposed to be tuned. 

[01:44:47] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:44:47] Sergiy: And he starts like, yo was, I lied to. And then he comes to like me or somebody else, like, yo, can you scan my computer?

[01:44:53] Download? 

[01:44:54] Eldar: See 

[01:44:54] Sergiy: was scanned what I got? There's nothing there. It have a stock car. He goes, that's crazy. I just got scammed. 

[01:44:58] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:44:58] Sergiy: And the thing is, I, I charge fair pricing. Not too high, not too low. This guy charges crazy high prices. 

[01:45:06] Eldar: Wow. You see good, 

[01:45:08] Sergiy: crazy high. 

[01:45:08] Eldar: The effect. He was good. He's a good marketer. 

[01:45:10] Sergiy: He the fact that some guy caught him on the video camera and he told him, you know what he told him instead of exposing him?

[01:45:15] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:45:16] Sergiy: He, people said he caught him on the camera. The guys didn't turn off the camera he had in the back, they took it in the back and he called two guys in the car, sit here, pretend we're doing something. We bring it back to him and give it to him. The guy gets the car back, comes home. He's like, oh, lemme watch what the fuck happened.

[01:45:30] And he called them saying on the camera, they're not gonna turn the car, you're just gonna keep it on the back for an hour. 

[01:45:34] Eldar: Sick. 

[01:45:34] Sergiy: So the guy comes to me, he's like, before I expose you, just gimme my money back. So he gave his money back and supposedly he deleted the video, but he told other people, and 

[01:45:41] Eldar: Yeah.

[01:45:41] Yeah. 

[01:45:41] Sergiy: Word spreads. But the thing is, he has celebrities in the account. He has Shaquille in his account. 

[01:45:45] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:45:46] Sergiy: And he's, he has like, I think he has like 500,000 followers on Instagram and everybody just goes to him. 

[01:45:53] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:45:53] Sergiy: And 99% of people are all scammed. 

[01:45:56] Eldar: Not bad, 

[01:45:56] Sergiy: nobody. 

[01:45:57] Toliy: Right. But, but it's also like a, like, partially like a Bernie made itoff effect, right?

[01:46:02] Where like, maybe he made money for some people, right? Mm-hmm. And those people had like, you know, big influence, a big mouth. They told everybody, oh 

[01:46:09] Sergiy: yeah. You always get the money to his influence. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Biggest influences. Get the money first. Yeah. Yes. The biggest 

[01:46:14] Toliy: money. So if you, if you hook up Shaq's car and then Shaq talks about it.

[01:46:17] Yeah, yeah. 

[01:46:17] Sergiy: That's, you just put 

[01:46:18] Toliy: Shaq's name on 

[01:46:19] Sergiy: it. Yeah. That's, that's how pyramid scheme's work. 

[01:46:20] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:46:21] Sergiy: You know, so a couple of big shots I show you, oh, I drive a Ferrari and this and that. I remember back in the day we used to have car meets and the guy goes to me, yo, you should come to this thing. We're having a, you know, hotel and this auditorium, we're gonna teach you how to make money selling your own energy drinks and all this shit.

[01:46:38] So I was like, all right, I'll go because everybody's hyping this guy up. He's like, oh, I have this W-R-X-S-T-I, I bought it with this money. I was like, yeah, this sounds like some bullshit. So I go there like, and the first thing the guy goes, our website was built by Microsoft and I called him, right? I said, he's like, can I ask everybody questions?

[01:46:54] I said, Hey. I was like, Microsoft built your website. He goes, I was like, he's like, I was like, Microsoft doesn't build websites. He's like, yeah, yeah, they did. We paid them $60 million. I said, it's bullshit. I got up and I left because I knew it was, yeah, it's before social media. That's what they used to do.

[01:47:08] They used to go to big events, car meets. Mm-hmm. And they used to sell the social media bullshit pyramid schemes. Mm-hmm. Where you could go on a website register mm-hmm. And sell your own items. You know, like 

[01:47:16] Eldar: Exactly. 

[01:47:16] Sergiy: He's like, oh, you could go sell your own fucking some bullshit energy drink. Mm-hmm.

[01:47:20] Bought in China. It doesn't work. 

[01:47:22] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:47:22] Sergiy: So, 

[01:47:24] Eldar: yeah. And you, I'm pretty sure you could still find plenty of gullible people to be able to sell the same shit. 

[01:47:28] Sergiy: Yeah. It's insane. 

[01:47:29] Eldar: You know? They 

[01:47:30] Sergiy: insane. You created 

[01:47:31] Eldar: something though, 

[01:47:32] Sergiy: dude. They caught people scamming and you know what people wrote? 

[01:47:35] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[01:47:36] Sergiy: Whatever makes the money counts.

[01:47:38] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:47:38] Sergiy: Like they, they don't care. There's people who don't care as long as they could make money. They don't care if it's the most wrong thing you could do. 

[01:47:45] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:47:45] Sergiy: If you're stealing money from a pregnant, unethical woman, un unethical things, they're like, you're hating on him because he made more money than you.

[01:47:51] It was like, yeah, but at what cost? Yeah. Like he's scamming everybody left or right. Yeah. Like, yeah. Well, that's, at least he's rich and you're not, that's what they say. 

[01:47:59] Eldar: True. 

[01:47:59] Sergiy: Crazy. Right? 

[01:48:00] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:48:01] Sergiy: Where the world has come from. 

[01:48:02] Eldar: Mike, gimme some final thoughts. What you got? I think I said everything and I, I think you agree.

[01:48:08] Oh yeah. This is the biggest culprit or what? 'cause we always find a bunch of culprits to our stress, 

[01:48:13] Mike: to our 

[01:48:14] madness. 

[01:48:15] Mike: It's only one culprit. It's everything. That's us. Right. 

[01:48:18] Sergiy: I think it's time to go to Miller's. 

[01:48:20] Mike: Holy shit. That's a culprit. 

[01:48:21] Sergiy: That was the last time we went there. Shit. 

[01:48:23] Mike: No, I think that it is the biggest culprit because everything that is embedded in what we discussed.

[01:48:28] Mm-hmm. It's also everything else that we didn't discuss. 

[01:48:30] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:48:31] Mike: It's all, it's everything. It's all one thing. Yeah. You know? 

[01:48:36] Eldar: So the anecdote is I know that I know nothing. 

[01:48:39] Mike: Yeah. Again, coming back to the 

[01:48:41] Eldar: same thing. 

[01:48:42] Mike: Yeah. He knew he, he knew that he didn't know this 3000 years ago. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[01:48:49] Takes time. Yeah. 

[01:48:50] Sergiy: We should have a show about that guy. 

[01:48:52] Mike: We should 

[01:48:53] Sergiy: all his 

[01:48:53] Mike: quote think, I think all his quote. I think we are, I think there is one. It's called Tennis Rocks. That's right. It's a podcast. Yeah. We have it every fucking Friday almost. All 

[01:49:00] Eldar: right. Well, 

[01:49:00] Mike: thank you 

[01:49:00] Eldar: guys. I agree. 

[01:49:01] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:49:01] Eldar: Let's, uh, continue.

[01:49:02] Uh, pioneering. I know that I know nothing. Uh, not because Ty said it, but I think because it's the truth. 

[01:49:09] Sergiy: Yeah. 

[01:49:09] Eldar: Yeah. And it's that way to, uh, to rid ourselves from suffering one of the ways. Yeah. All right. Well, that, that, you're gonna have to sign up for the Patreon for that one.