207. Seize it

What if the tiniest daily moments are secretly deciding the entire trajectory of your life — and you’re missing almost all of them?

In this powerful episode of the podcast, the crew dives deep into personal growth, seizing daily opportunities, and why most people unconsciously throw away their biggest chances for transformation. From Eldar’s eye-opening story of Katherine nearly sabotaging a family trip to Colombia by catastrophizing, to raw discussions on how one innocent desire (“I just want to be wealthy”) can become a life sentence, the conversation exposes the hidden mechanics behind why we stay stuck.

Key Takeaways You’ll Walk Away With:

• Why the small stuff is actually the big stuff (and how arrogance makes us ignore it)
• How to stop hitting the “eject button” on micro-moments of growth
• The unconscious trap of desires and how they silently design your reality
• Why mindset shifts in everyday interactions create monumental long-term change

Most Insightful Moment:
Toliy drops the mic at [00:32:46]:

“Just saying that one desire like, ‘Hey, I wanna be wealthy.’ That type of thought can just ruin your whole life. For example, it’s a life sentence… but you have no idea of what you signed up for.”

As AI accelerates faster than human evolution, are we about to be forced into the self-reflection we’ve been avoiding? Or will we finally choose to seize these opportunities before the system decides for us? The warning is clear: if you don’t learn to govern yourself… someone (or something) else will.

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Listen now and start catching the opportunities you’ve been missing.

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Transcript

[00:00:00] Dennis: On this week's episode, 

[00:00:01] Eldar: a lot of things start to open up into your life. Only if you seize that little moment of opportunity 

[00:00:06] Mike: to, you know what, I'm not gonna just fucking catastrophize here. I'm gonna see the situation differently. So how much opportunity is actually missed? We're like, yo, I don't wanna lose half a pound.

[00:00:16] I wanna lose 50 pounds. The, all the small stuff, the small changes, small adjustments is the important stuff. 

[00:00:25] Toliy: Just saying that one desire like, Hey, I wanna be wealthy. That type of thought can just ruin your whole life. For example, it's a life sentence. Yeah. It's a complete life sentence, but you have no idea of 

[00:00:35] Eldar: what you signed up for, 

[00:00:35] Toliy: of, of what you signed up for.

[00:00:43] Warren: Oh, wow. We live, we live. Wow. We live, 

[00:00:46] Eldar: we live Guys, do that again. All right. And tonight's topic is gonna be around all the question. It's gonna be, um, how many opportunities do we actually get throughout our lives, throughout our days to actually persevere, to grow, and really capture the moment of our own personal growth?

[00:01:08] And how many actually are being overlooked and why? 

[00:01:11] Mike: Hmm. 

[00:01:13] Eldar: Why you laughing, Mike? 

[00:01:14] Mike: That's a sick question. 

[00:01:16] Eldar: You know what I'm saying? Of course. And I think it's a lot, right? But I think that if we can kind of maybe zoom in and really pay attention to our daily lives, our daily things, the way we actually, uh, behave, respond to things, um, we could find a lot of opportunities for this type of growth to ascend.

[00:01:37] Oh, max, I'm gonna use some of these words that, um. Some of our co-hosts love to use, uh, to the next level. Right. However, a lot of times we throw a fit. 

[00:01:50] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[00:01:51] Eldar: We, we, we press the eject button and we never give ourselves that opportunity for growth. You know what I mean? 

[00:01:59] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:01:59] Eldar: Obviously we had an example mm-hmm.

[00:02:01] Uh, earlier today and I saw that example and I was able to kind of share that with you and show you it, and you bounced off of Totally, and totally also said, Hey, like there, this is an actual opportunity for growth, you know, but I think these types of little things happen all the time. Right. To bring Catherine in here, for example.

[00:02:18] Right. Uh, we went, uh, to Columbia recently. Okay. We had a great trip. Okay. But before we went to Columbia, we had a talk. Obviously Catherine wanted to go to Columbia, see her parents, and obviously I'm supportive of that. So Catherine's like, Hey babe, can we go see my parents? I'm like, yeah, absolutely. Is it okay if we take my parents.

[00:02:41] That's it, Dawn. She's like, what? I'm panicking now. This is crazy. You know, why are you throwing this on me? This is so terrible. 

[00:02:49] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:02:50] Eldar: What the fuck? What the fuck? You know what I mean? You're not considering me. She went into her selfish, protective fight and flight mode, but guess what? She sat on it, she thought it through, and she's like, you know what?

[00:03:02] Why am I doing this to myself? Why am I going and, and, uh, falling back on my previous self of the, the person who constantly just doom and glooming it. Mm-hmm. You know, or or as she calls it, black and white thinking. 

[00:03:14] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:03:14] Eldar: You know, she sat with it and she said, you know what? 

[00:03:17] Katherine: I 

[00:03:17] Eldar: cata catastrophized 

[00:03:18] Katherine: it. 

[00:03:19] Eldar: She catastrophized it.

[00:03:20] Thank you for that word. Yeah, that's what I was looking for. 

[00:03:22] Katherine: Catastrophizing. 

[00:03:22] Eldar: Uh, and she said, let's give it a try. I'm not gonna jump into conclusions. Let's give it a try. Mm-hmm. And guess what? That right there, that switch is actually what made the trip. 

[00:03:32] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[00:03:33] Eldar: I'm not sure if she understands that yet. I hope she does.

[00:03:36] But that's the thing. You yourself have a, a, a very powerful thing of, to changing your whole trajectory about your life, your experiences, mindset, if you have that change of mindset. 

[00:03:48] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[00:03:48] Eldar: It's just like a little switch. And when she had that switch, she, she came in completely different into this experience.

[00:03:55] And because she did, she made sure made to protect the whole trip. 

[00:04:00] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[00:04:01] Eldar: This is what I believe. And everything was good. Should bounce some things off of me, some stresses, whatever. 

[00:04:07] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[00:04:07] Eldar: And we did. We did, we did really well. 

[00:04:09] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:04:09] Eldar: And guess what? You know, obviously now I know like, hey, like we can do another trip if we wanted to.

[00:04:15] You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Easily. 

[00:04:16] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:04:17] Eldar: You know what I'm saying? It's not a scary one 'cause we know what to expect. Mm-hmm. She likes trips. 

[00:04:22] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:04:22] Eldar: She sees that she can also use that kind of hook as well. 

[00:04:25] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:04:26] Eldar: No problem. So a lot of things start to open up into your life. 

[00:04:31] Toliy: Mm-hmm. You 

[00:04:31] Eldar: know what I mean?

[00:04:32] Only if you. Seize that little moment of opportunity to, you know what, I'm not gonna just fucking catastrophize here. I'm gonna see the situation differently. I'm not gonna throw a fit here. I'm gonna see this thing differently. 

[00:04:43] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[00:04:44] Eldar: You know, a lot of times unfortunately, we don't see that. We press the eject button and we run away.

[00:04:48] Mm-hmm. '

[00:04:50] Eldar: cause we're scared, you know? But, so how much opportunity is actually missed? You guys tell me. 

[00:04:57] Katherine: Probably so many. 

[00:04:58] Eldar: Yeah. I You can count it 

[00:04:59] Katherine: a lot. Yeah. 

[00:05:00] Eldar: Totally. Calls it, you know what totally calls this, you have a bad attitude. 

[00:05:03] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:05:03] Katherine: Well, of course. 

[00:05:04] Toliy: Yeah. I mean, I think that, that's the thing. I think in a lot of conversations when you speak to people, you have constantly, people like around you.

[00:05:13] Um, this happens to me a lot. Um, well, or like, hey, like, that's not really a big deal. Like why, why? Making things a big deal. 

[00:05:20] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:05:21] Toliy: You know? But I think that there is so, so many individual moments that feel like nothing sound like nothing, but they're everything. 

[00:05:30] Katherine: Yeah. Yeah. Correct. 

[00:05:30] Toliy: You know? 

[00:05:30] Katherine: I agree. 

[00:05:31] Toliy: And, um.

[00:05:33] The people usually who like suffer the most, they'll downplay these moments probably the most. 

[00:05:38] Eldar: Yes. Agree with agree. 

[00:05:38] Toliy: They do that for themselves. Agree. And they'll try to do it for like you and to them. 

[00:05:43] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:05:43] Toliy: They don't realize that these like subtle, um, like it, it, it hap it, it happens amongst fam family a lot where they compromise these like disrespects Yes.

[00:05:54] They compromise these ways of dealing things, doing things. And they don't re realize like the relationships that they're developing and the way that they're 

[00:06:04] Eldar: dynamics 

[00:06:05] Toliy: Yeah. Of forming dynamics that are forming the characters that are being like, um, create, creating and like what that, what what that does is monumental.

[00:06:14] And they're only left in a position where they kind of have like, almost like no limbs, no mind nothing already in the moment when things already are fucked. Yes. And then they, they, they're like, are just, they're, they're more like, um, they, they've kind of launched themselves into like a, uh. Into space where there's no gravity and there's just suffering.

[00:06:35] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:06:35] Toliy: You know? 

[00:06:36] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:06:36] Toliy: And they can't get out of it because they're, they're, they're just like stuck in a reality that they created that they'd never realized that they signed up for, you know? Yeah. So I feel like there's a ton of mo of moments every day in the little, in the littlest of activities that like you do, and the smallest interactions you have, whether it's on, on your own or with others.

[00:06:56] That all shape the mindset, the influence, the way you go about doing things, the decision making, the thoughts, everything around your whole life. Um, but I feel like most moments are probably not seized and most opportunities are not taken even though they're, they're right in front of 

[00:07:16] Eldar: you, 

[00:07:16] Toliy: you know? So, yeah.

[00:07:18] It's like, again, it's like going back to like the people that like pray for example. Mm-hmm. And they just expect an outcome to happen versus like, there's probably plenty of opportunities that they have in front of them that they're just not 

[00:07:29] Eldar: seizing. 

[00:07:30] Toliy: Yeah. Like. Taking action on that could shape the rest of of their lives.

[00:07:35] But yeah, it's like a very, um, like the, the, uh, the, uh, thinking you wi wishes for a very particular life, which I think why probably like, wants and desires exist because it gives you an opportunity to, like, is like, usually people want to desire good things, I guess what they perceive for themselves, right?

[00:07:55] No one's like a hundred 

[00:07:55] Eldar: percent. Yeah. 

[00:07:56] Toliy: Hey, like, I really want to get hit by a bus today. You know? Nice. 

[00:07:59] Eldar: You 

[00:07:59] Toliy: know? 

[00:07:59] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:07:59] Toliy: Like, they want, you know, I dunno, money, they want fame. Mm-hmm. They want love, they want to be cared for. They wanna be like respected. 

[00:08:06] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:08:07] Toliy: Right. They want relationships, friends, right?

[00:08:09] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:08:10] Toliy: Items. 

[00:08:10] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:08:11] Toliy: Um, they, they want things from themselves. Um, but then that, then, then there's the, um, the unconscious mind that kind of just makes a lot of decisions, um, that influence the conscious mind's thinking without realizing it. So they never know what they sign, sign themselves up for. They never know like, what's going to happen or like, what's actually going on.

[00:08:39] And then once they're already in it, it's very difficult to operate from like a conscious, like, like a faculty almost when you're already in this unconscious, like automated reality that you've created. 

[00:08:52] Eldar: Wow. 

[00:08:52] Toliy: Um, 

[00:08:53] Eldar: that is well 

[00:08:53] Toliy: said. So it's like, how, how are you going to change any of these kind? Like, like how, how can you go tell someone like, Hey, like I, like I want you to go work on the things that you're not aware of 

[00:09:04] Eldar: that's a sick, sick, 

[00:09:05] Toliy: what, what, that's a sick question.

[00:09:06] Eldar: Like 

[00:09:06] Toliy: what, what would someone replied back to that 

[00:09:08] Katherine: It's like speaking to someone in a different language 

[00:09:09] Toliy: Yeah. That 

[00:09:10] Katherine: they don't understand. 

[00:09:11] Toliy: Yeah. So the, the thing with all of us is that we don't know, like we're, we're not aware of this different reality that we almost like live in, and we only feel the effects typically of the suffering that they cause.

[00:09:27] We're not sure, like we're, we're not able to connect the dots and we're, it's usually very difficult for us to do something about it or make any kind of impactful change or 

[00:09:37] Eldar: get 

[00:09:37] Toliy: empowered, um, start on something, you know? 

[00:09:40] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:09:41] Toliy: Um, so yeah, I feel like that's the phenomenon that now, like just every day life is, um, for me at least, I feel like I definitely have a, a ton of these, but, you know, many, many years ago, um, when we were talking about like, um, enlightenment, you know, and like what, what it was or like how to get there and stuff like that.

[00:10:04] Like, um, I said a while ago that like, I actually feel enlightened simply because of the fact that like, I feel like I've got, like, I have many mo moments of seeing both sides. 

[00:10:14] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:10:15] Toliy: Right? Of seeing sides of like making good decisions, doing the right thing, like. Having good values, like, you know, thinking in like in proper ways and stuff like that.

[00:10:25] And then I also have the pull or opposite Yeah. Of, of that. 

[00:10:28] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:10:28] Toliy: Like making the wrong decisions, being selfish or being nasty or like, um, doing, doing the wrong thing. Yeah. You know? So I feel like I have plenty of examples of both perspectives and I feel like I can clearly see both types of things. Um, and I feel like, um, I have a great opportunity in, in my lifetime to, um, 

[00:10:55] Eldar: ascend 

[00:10:55] Toliy: Yeah.

[00:10:56] To like seize the opportunities like when, when presented, but I don't feel like a lack of, like a lack of chance or I don't feel like a lack of opportunity. Like, um, and if you, like, there's, there's something more I feel like that you need other than the feeling of you have an opportunity. 

[00:11:15] Eldar: Hmm. 

[00:11:15] Toliy: Like if you actually have that feeling than like, that means that like.

[00:11:21] You know that there's a chance and that you have this chance, and now it's up to you to to, to like perform. Yeah. When, when, when, when, when there's an opportunity to do something. 

[00:11:34] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:11:34] Toliy: So that, that to me is like the, uh, enlightening feeling of, of like, you're not like a, like a, like a helpless Harry here.

[00:11:43] Yeah. Where like you're just in like a, a, um, like a sequence almost, right. Where there's just like pre outline steps and like no matter what, you're just gonna follow them. 

[00:11:52] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:11:53] Toliy: But the problem is, I think that when, um, if you make poor decisions mm-hmm. For example, when you have an opportunity to make good ones 

[00:12:01] Eldar: Yeah.

[00:12:02] Toliy: You, you put yourself on a sequence, but you don't realize that you subscribe to it. 

[00:12:08] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:12:08] Toliy: That you got added into it. 

[00:12:10] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:12:10] Toliy: So you just get put on more of, like, you, you get further and further delayed from being the person that you want and living the life that you want. By again, by like digging your grave more and more.

[00:12:22] And then you have to spend your conscious energy to figure out what's going on and figure out steps, what you go wrong to take outta it. 

[00:12:29] Eldar: Go. Yeah. 

[00:12:29] Toliy: And it's always, it's always, it, it it it's way, I think everyone universally agrees that it's way easier to get yourself in a bad situation than get yourself out it.

[00:12:39] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:12:40] Toliy: It always feels like it's extremely hard 

[00:12:41] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:12:42] Toliy: To undo something. 

[00:12:43] Eldar: Yeah, you're right. 

[00:12:43] Toliy: And to actually make the wrong decisions. 

[00:12:45] Eldar: Yeah. That is well put. That was a pretty long ramble, but yeah, it, it definitely hit, hit. Nice. Mike, what do you think of what Totally said you agree with him. 

[00:12:58] Mike: Yeah. Um, like, um, we were having a conversation on the pod a couple weeks ago and I was like, you know, processing and revisiting things and 

[00:13:09] Eldar: mm-hmm.

[00:13:11] Mike: Um, I guess it ties into this, but, or I think it does. I think, um. Life is like a, I think we kind a lot of times come to the conclusion that life is very paradoxical. 

[00:13:23] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[00:13:25] Mike: And the small stuff is actually the big stuff. 

[00:13:31] Eldar: Yes. 

[00:13:31] Mike: Yeah. And a lot of times we like don't think the small stuff as is important where the small stuff is the actual big stuff.

[00:13:42] And a lot of times that comes from like an ego or an arrogance thing. 

[00:13:46] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:13:47] Mike: Is my, is what I think is coming from. Mm-hmm. Um, so I think that's, um, I think that that, that's one thing that I was thinking about that's very, like, to me is important. A lot of times we don't feel like, um, one small thing is gonna have a big effect.

[00:14:06] When you look at the overall picture, we're like, yo, I don't wanna lose half a pound. I wanna lose 50 pounds. 

[00:14:12] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:14:13] Mike: But. The stuff, the, all the small stuff, the small changes, the small adjustments, the small changes, little stuff. Probably the changes is the important stuff. And a lot of times, because people are trying to draw energy from the big stuff 

[00:14:29] Eldar: mm-hmm.

[00:14:29] Mike: But there's no energy in it because again, it's paradoxical like how life always seems to be. Mm-hmm. To me, the strength and the power and the, the roots are in the small things. 

[00:14:43] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:14:44] Mike: Um, 

[00:14:45] Eldar: it's in the journey versus the big destination that everybody 

[00:14:48] Mike: seen. Oh, yeah. That, that, that's, that's true. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:14:49] And I, 

[00:14:50] Eldar: and the journey obviously makes up a, a lot of small little steps, 

[00:14:52] Mike: small little actions, small steps, small 

[00:14:54] Eldar: steps, and Yes. 

[00:14:55] Mike: And I think, uh, 

[00:14:56] Eldar: millions, 

[00:14:56] Mike: I think people don't get excited because they're under the impression of what should be, the excitement should be drawn from 

[00:15:03] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:15:03] Mike: You know, not losing 50 pounds, but making good choices for, with good reason.

[00:15:09] Mm-hmm. 

[00:15:10] Eldar: Every 

[00:15:10] Mike: day, every hour or whatever. Mm-hmm. You know? Versus something else. 

[00:15:17] Eldar: So I, I agree with you. I, I, I mean, you said exactly what, totally, kind of, you added an example, um, saying that, but I would do wanna expand on the fact that you also said that you think that it's arrogance. 

[00:15:30] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:15:31] Eldar: Right? Um, do you think our heads got that big and our minds, or our lives got this fast, that it's just everything is just, we're just on this highway of just speeding down the lane and trying to get to that final destination kind of thing?

[00:15:46] Yeah. And that's why we, everything, every image is blurry. You know how you go travel fast? Mm-hmm. You can't really see trees, you can't see houses, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[00:15:52] Mike: You 

[00:15:52] Eldar: can't see people, you just kinda like, 

[00:15:54] Mike: no, I don't think so. You, I don't think this problem didn't exist 5,000 years ago. I 

[00:16:00] Eldar: don't think so.

[00:16:01] Mike: That's my initial, like thought. 

[00:16:03] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:16:03] Mike: Yeah. Is that this problem didn't exist 5,000 years ago. The problem that did exist 5,000 years ago that will always exist, I guess, is that I'm not sure if, or this is not a problem, but this, I guess this the question, I'm not sure if people, people are born with some kind of knowledge or understanding of like, um, when we're putting that burglar together mm-hmm.

[00:16:28] We tried to follow the instruction manual. 

[00:16:30] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:16:31] Mike: And we understand that if we don't follow it, we're gonna have problems. 

[00:16:34] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:16:34] Mike: This has already been proven, been given. 

[00:16:36] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:16:37] Mike: But in life, a lot of times, for many, many years, you have to keep not following the instruction manual. 

[00:16:42] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:16:44] Mike: Um, 

[00:16:45] Eldar: you make your own manual, 

[00:16:46] Mike: you make your own, but by, by not following it, you just keep delaying the actual completion of whatever you're trying to build.

[00:16:54] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:16:54] Mike: Which is a good life. For example, 

[00:16:57] Eldar: pergola. 

[00:16:58] Mike: Or a pergola. We built 

[00:16:59] Eldar: a sick pergola. 

[00:17:00] Mike: Yeah, we did. 

[00:17:00] Eldar: Through a sick fucking way, but 

[00:17:01] Mike: we did it. Yeah. So I think that's, 

[00:17:03] Eldar: yeah, 

[00:17:04] Mike: that's, um, because I don't believe, like, you don't buy a, you buy a computer and your operating system's installed. 

[00:17:09] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:17:10] Mike: Your operating system knows what to do.

[00:17:11] When you click this, you know what happens. 

[00:17:12] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:17:13] Mike: The consequences are built in. 

[00:17:14] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:17:15] Mike: You know, mostly, 

[00:17:16] Eldar: yeah. 

[00:17:16] Mike: But for life, for our own programming 

[00:17:19] Eldar: mm-hmm. 

[00:17:19] Mike: We have to go find out that instruction manual. 

[00:17:22] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:17:22] Mike: And then say, Hey, this is the instruction, these are the rules that I wanna live my life by. You know, because the equation, it makes me happy, it gives me peace.

[00:17:32] Um, but we're born clean slate. I think somebody said that right? 

[00:17:37] Eldar: John Locke. I think 

[00:17:39] Mike: John Locke we're my, my feeling at least. You know, I obviously haven't been, been able to prove that yet. 

[00:17:44] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:17:44] Mike: But I think we're born with a clean slate. Yeah. And then we have, 

[00:17:47] Eldar: and then, and then you go into Gary Camp, 

[00:17:49] Mike: and then you go into Gary Camp.

[00:17:50] And 

[00:17:50] Eldar: Gary is Mike's dad. 

[00:17:52] Mike: Yes. And we, you know, we have our, we have the Gary camp and. And you kind of, then you are in that camp for a long time, and then 

[00:18:00] Eldar: yeah, 

[00:18:01] Mike: you, maybe you have a chance to never get out of it. 

[00:18:04] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:18:04] Mike: And try to see your own camp. 

[00:18:06] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:18:07] Mike: So I think, yeah, I think it's, I don't think we went wrong.

[00:18:10] I think we're, 

[00:18:11] Eldar: we're going, 

[00:18:12] Mike: we're we in the process, obviously in the way we're living now, like the life being very fast and it seems right, like it's maybe worse, but we also have access to information much more than we did maybe mm-hmm. Many years ago. So it's, it's hard to say. Mm-hmm. You know, but there's only like, um, there's one way to get the instructions.

[00:18:32] Mm-hmm. You know, there's no other way to get the instruction manual for life if you want to. Like, 

[00:18:38] Eldar: and that way is what totally described is through pain.

[00:18:43] And then, and then you get the pain and then you think, and then the thinking obviously gives you a little bit of clarity. Yeah. 

[00:18:49] Mike: I think through learning. Yeah, through 

[00:18:50] Eldar: learning. 

[00:18:50] Mike: But, uh, do, does it always have to be. Yeah. If you've never learned, then you have to suffer to learn. Like if you were doing things wrong 

[00:19:01] Eldar: Yeah.

[00:19:01] Mike: And you, 'cause you didn't learn the right way to do it. 

[00:19:04] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:19:04] Mike: Then you have to suffer to undo it, 

[00:19:06] Eldar: but Yeah. But yeah, because it's, you've already established a, a, a specific schema in your brain mm-hmm. Or in your mind 

[00:19:12] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:19:12] Eldar: To act out of. Right. And a lot of times it's the bad attitude, it's the close closemindedness.

[00:19:15] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:16] Eldar: Right. It's the impatience. 

[00:19:18] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:19:18] Eldar: It's the getting too excited. Mm-hmm. It's all those things that get us into those troubles. 

[00:19:22] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:19:23] Eldar: You know? So, and if you already have embodied that bad attitudes Right. Um, you're gonna display, you're gonna, life is gonna keep throwing challenges at you. 

[00:19:31] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:19:32] Eldar: Where it's gonna challenge that specific notion about you.

[00:19:35] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:35] Eldar: And if you don't learn, you're gonna learn one day. 

[00:19:38] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:19:39] Eldar: Right? Yeah. Or, or you're gonna die trying. 

[00:19:41] Mike: Yeah. Maybe the example like, um, that you made me think about is like this. Like people start new things all the time. 

[00:19:50] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:19:50] Mike: Right. Like we started rock climbing. 

[00:19:52] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:19:53] Mike: Right. This is something new for us.

[00:19:54] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:55] Mike: But I brought in my bad attitudes, my belief systems into it. 

[00:19:58] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:19:59] Mike: I already came dirty with my toolbox 

[00:20:02] Eldar: Yes. 

[00:20:02] Mike: Of garbage. 

[00:20:03] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:20:05] Mike: Could I have came in a different way? 

[00:20:07] Eldar: Probably not. 

[00:20:07] Mike: Probably not. You came in with your toolbox. 

[00:20:09] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:20:10] Mike: Your own skills. Yeah. Which are different than mine. Complete opposite, I would say.

[00:20:13] Eldar: Yeah, 

[00:20:14] Mike: definitely. Complete opposite. 

[00:20:15] Eldar: Yeah, for sure. 

[00:20:15] Mike: You came in with that. Could you have came in a different way? 

[00:20:18] Eldar: No. 

[00:20:18] Mike: No, and I think that's the point. We engaging in people, engaging in things all the time. New interactions. Right? 

[00:20:24] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:20:25] Mike: Anywhere you go, you have an opportunity to interact with somebody. 

[00:20:28] Eldar: Mm-hmm.

[00:20:28] Mike: You're probably gonna bring the same toolbox with you everywhere you go. 

[00:20:31] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:20:32] Mike: Until you realize that it's not serving. Not serving you. 

[00:20:34] Eldar: Yeah. As well put. 

[00:20:35] Mike: Yeah, 

[00:20:36] Eldar: that's very well said. 

[00:20:37] Toliy: Yeah, I feel like, so, so I agree with Mo most of my example, what, what, what he said. Except I do feel that PE people, many years ago, I still think that they were, you know, suffering with the same things.

[00:20:47] So I just think it was in like different ways. 

[00:20:49] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:20:51] Toliy: Adam fucking sinned, right? Like he, he, he fucking ate like, 

[00:20:54] Eldar: apparently. Allegedly. Yeah. 

[00:20:58] Toliy: And I feel like ever since then, um, the, the li like, the burden is us a as current present day thinkers, right? Mm-hmm. Is to change ourselves so that we then can change the world, right?

[00:21:13] And part of that, for example, is um, sure, like may, may maybe like the soul or like the kid before they're born, for example, maybe they do have a clean slate, slate, for example, but they're constantly birthed to pa to like the parents of sinners, right? 

[00:21:29] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:21:30] Toliy: And then they get, 

[00:21:31] Eldar: or the society that's 

[00:21:31] Toliy: probably 

[00:21:32] Eldar: sinning.

[00:21:32] Toliy: They get Yeah. 

[00:21:32] Eldar: And it influence has the 

[00:21:34] Toliy: influence they get, they get right. Like you're like, you know, if, if you're gonna get born into this world, whatever the situation that you're in is what you're like ki kind of like, you know, if, if you believe it's forcefully or if it was like by fate or if it was you stuck with that with Yeah.

[00:21:47] Like, you're in it, you know, so the moment that you are a thinker, for example, um, I think that you would be very careful to bring someone else again into the world if you don't have the right tools that it takes for like, um, for yourself and to equip this person that you're gonna also bring into the world.

[00:22:11] If not, like when we spoke about this, you're, you're just bringing in more, more suffering for more people. 

[00:22:16] Eldar: More dirty 

[00:22:17] Toliy: laundry. 'cause you're not pre prepared. Yeah. And, but, but you're making, you're the one making the decision to bring this person in. 

[00:22:25] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:22:25] Toliy: So like. I think you should only do so if you have the ability to, to, to give them the right tools.

[00:22:33] So then yeah, like come into rock climbing with the right attitude or come into a particular mm-hmm. Um, like 

[00:22:39] Eldar: endeavors, 

[00:22:40] Toliy: whatever they like. Yeah. Yep. Like, you know, so that they're pro, properly equipped. But I think most people are just, they're, they're in scenarios where, again, they get birthed into scenarios where they're, um, they're not set up properly and they're not set up with the right tools.

[00:22:55] So I think the burden is like that, that I, I think is like a big purpose, I think of at least like your early, young, young, young, like adult life is to, um, put yourself in a position where, um, you can actually operate correctly. You can actually think correctly and you can actually do the right thing. So that then when you bring in someone else into there, you, you are, you are the right leader and the right guide in doing so.

[00:23:23] Eldar: How do you do that? 

[00:23:24] Toliy: Well. Um, yeah, I mean the, the, uh, the difficulties is like, yeah. Like 

[00:23:32] Eldar: you start by not being on your phone during a podcast. 

[00:23:34] Toliy: That that would be a great place to start. Yeah. 

[00:23:36] Eldar: And I'm not gonna say I was my wife. 

[00:23:38] Toliy: No. 

[00:23:38] Eldar: Know what I'm saying? 

[00:23:39] Toliy: You, you, 

[00:23:39] Eldar: because then I, then it's on me. 

[00:23:41] Toliy: Yes. 

[00:23:41] Eldar: That means you're a bad leader.

[00:23:43] That means I didn't, uh, and still the masculine principles. 

[00:23:47] Toliy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The right things. Yeah. 'cause that's 

[00:23:50] Eldar: okay. So, 

[00:23:50] Toliy: you know, 

[00:23:51] Eldar: I'm not gonna say that 

[00:23:52] Toliy: in Pakistan right now. 

[00:23:53] Eldar: Yeah. It's, yeah. Again, stoned to death. 

[00:23:55] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. I think it's a very difficult 

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[00:24:16] Eldar: for now. 

[00:24:17] Toliy: For now. 

[00:24:18] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:24:18] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:24:19] Eldar: We got something in store though.

[00:24:20] Toliy: Yeah. Um. Yeah. Um, yeah, I'm not sure like what, what, like the, the immediate thing to do is to only like, you, you for now only have to worry about yourself, which is already a handful, you know? 

[00:24:36] Eldar: Oh. 

[00:24:37] Toliy: Um, 

[00:24:37] Eldar: well put 

[00:24:38] Toliy: and to, yeah, figure out your own life, because the sooner you figure out your own life and the sooner that you can put yourself in a position to succeed, then the, like, the sooner you can have a greater impact, um, on, on others.

[00:24:52] And like, for example, if you're someone like, um, someone who believes in like, reincarnation for example. 

[00:24:58] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:24:58] Toliy: You're just gonna reincarnate over and over again until you figure out anyway. So why not now? 

[00:25:02] Eldar: Mm. Wow. That's a good, uh, sales pitch. Why not now? Yeah, this lifetime. Why not now, babe? Why not now?

[00:25:09] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:25:09] Eldar: What, what, what's up with you? Whatcha you stall for? You know, 

[00:25:13] Katherine: I think we're exactly where we need to be. 

[00:25:16] Eldar: Hey, what a cop out. 

[00:25:17] Katherine: It's like, it's the truth. 

[00:25:19] Eldar: Okay. So tell us 

[00:25:20] Katherine: more. If I, if I'm, I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be, you know, but 

[00:25:24] Toliy: do you believe in free will, 

[00:25:26] Katherine: in free will define it? 

[00:25:29] Toliy: Like, do you feel like that, like you're just like, whatever hap like do you feel that like you have a, um, you have, you have a choice in how things end up going or do you feel that that, that like your current life is kind of like, um, a consequence?

[00:25:46] Like pre predetermined? Yeah. 

[00:25:47] Katherine: No, I believe in free will. 

[00:25:49] Toliy: Why? 

[00:25:51] Katherine: Um,

[00:25:55] I think that like, like where I am today, um, is a result of choices that I've made in the past. 

[00:26:04] Toliy: But how do you know that those were not just pre like that, that like what whatever program you're on is just preloaded and that was supposed to be the next 

[00:26:12] Katherine: step? No, I don't know. I think. Uh, it's, it's, it's interesting if you're religious, then you believe like there's a path for you, right?

[00:26:20] That you know, God has a path or God has a plan, right? Mm-hmm. Like, that's a popular saying. So I, I grew up Catholic, so there's a part of me that also like, kind of respects that in a way. 

[00:26:30] Toliy: Yeah. 

[00:26:31] Katherine: But I am here because of the choices that I've made. There are things that I can't control, like, you know, death of loved ones for example, or So do 

[00:26:39] Toliy: you, do you like 

[00:26:39] Katherine: that, respect 

[00:26:40] Toliy: that now?

[00:26:40] Like, do you, do you believe that now? 

[00:26:42] Katherine: Um, I think I, I, I definitely am more the thought of like, uh, um, my choices have led me here, you know, my decisions, you know, my actions and my choices have led me to be here today in like, 

[00:26:55] Eldar: and sometimes a lot of those choices were subconscious, 

[00:26:58] Katherine: or what do you mean, subconscious?

[00:27:00] Eldar: Where they're, they're not, they weren't really your choices, right? Sometimes like you, you always mention like, Hey, my parents are like this. My parents are like that, you know? And now I have those qualities. I kind of model those. Oh, 

[00:27:10] Katherine: like who I am? 

[00:27:11] Eldar: Yeah. You model certain behaviors, not really thinking them through.

[00:27:14] Right. 

[00:27:15] Katherine: Oh yeah, of course. 

[00:27:16] Eldar: You know what I mean? Certain anxiety, certain fears, certain 

[00:27:19] Katherine: things that 

[00:27:19] Eldar: have reactions 

[00:27:20] Katherine: in sense. 

[00:27:20] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah, 

[00:27:21] Katherine: yeah, definitely. 

[00:27:21] Eldar: So now that you are thinking, being, and you're trying to think things through, 

[00:27:25] Katherine: yeah. 

[00:27:25] Eldar: You have the choice in the matter. I think that's when maybe through free will.

[00:27:28] Free will 

[00:27:28] Mike: exists. When you're thinking the opposite exists when you're not. 

[00:27:31] Katherine: Yeah. Well, I think, I think Is 

[00:27:33] Eldar: that you that's 

[00:27:33] Katherine: Thats what that's I'm trying to make Yeah. It comes, you know, if you're not empowered Yeah. You don't feel like you have, um, a lot of, I, I feel like maybe a lot of free will. 

[00:27:42] Eldar: I think that's what Tony's asking.

[00:27:43] How do you know? 

[00:27:43] Katherine: And, um, and then as, I don't know, I guess as you start, I don't know, growing or, or learning or both. You start kind of feeling, I guess, more empowered about your life and Yeah. Like, I'm exactly here because I've made certain choices to be here. You know, 

[00:28:01] Eldar: you're taking accountability. 

[00:28:03] Katherine: You have to.

[00:28:05] Yeah. You have to. 

[00:28:07] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:28:08] Katherine: Especially when things don't work out or when you, when you're an idiot, you know? Yeah. If you have to take accountability, then did I answer the question? What was the question? I, 

[00:28:17] Mike: Hmm. 

[00:28:17] Toliy: Yeah, that's, 

[00:28:18] Katherine: I Oh, yeah. Totally asked me. Believe. I think you asked me something else, but then you asked me if I believed in free will and then I said yes.

[00:28:25] But did I answer the first question? 

[00:28:27] Toliy: Uh, I don't, well, yeah, I think I was asking if it was like, predetermined, right? Like, uh, 

[00:28:32] Eldar: yeah. Mm-hmm. 

[00:28:34] Toliy: Like, oh yeah. Like how do you know that you have a choice in the matter as to like, what, what happens next?

[00:28:41] Katherine: Yeah. I think it's on us. Yeah. I think we make our choices. That's my final, final answer. 

[00:28:48] Eldar: Uh, do you see how this, this, I guess this answer maybe is tied to the topic where, um, I think that if we have the ability to zoom in on these small little moments in life 

[00:28:59] Katherine: mm-hmm. 

[00:29:00] Eldar: Right? And actually really pay attention, or as the people that are in yoga say, slow down.

[00:29:07] Be in the moment. 

[00:29:07] Katherine: Be in the moment, 

[00:29:08] Eldar: be in the present, right. Stay. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Namaste. You know, 

[00:29:14] Katherine: Mike has a big problem with the namaste crowd. 

[00:29:16] Eldar: Yeah. Well, because I think a lot of them are phonies and I think Mike might be right. 

[00:29:19] I 

[00:29:19] Katherine: had an experience. I think a lot of people in general are phonies.

[00:29:22] Eldar: Agreed. Yes. 

[00:29:22] Katherine: Yeah. Thing, you 

[00:29:24] Eldar: know. For sure, for sure. So yeah. So I, I think that if you have that ability to finally slow, slow your life down mm-hmm. Slow, slow your role down, you know, and really go moment to moment and really be able to see things, uh, as they come in. And then you end up having a choice in the matter because you empowered and you know you have a choice in the matter and how to react, right?

[00:29:46] Mm-hmm. Good attitude, bad attitude or whatever. 

[00:29:48] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[00:29:48] Eldar: Then you become the controller of your destiny or the controller of your reality. 

[00:29:53] Katherine: Yeah, 

[00:29:53] Eldar: absolutely. And the outcomes that obviously are gonna be coming your way is more likely gonna be the ones that you're choosing Yeah. Versus the ones that are being chosen for you based on your non-thinking.

[00:30:04] Right. 

[00:30:04] Katherine: Yeah, I agree with that. 

[00:30:06] Toliy: Yeah. I think that like, uh, like a thing that I think a lot of people don't understand or have a grasp of, of, of that like Sure. Like, yeah, we, we, we all want to be probably like more conscious in how we go about things, right? 

[00:30:19] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:30:19] Toliy: But I think the realities that we all have too many, like wants and desires, right?

[00:30:26] And we're involved in too many things. Yeah. And I don't think it's possible for us to be like the, the highly conscious or like conscious at all times. 

[00:30:34] Katherine: Mm-hmm. Hu 

[00:30:35] Toliy: human beings that like, we're, we're talking about becoming, um, because there's like just too many too many decisions and too many 

[00:30:42] Katherine: distractions 

[00:30:43] Toliy: too.

[00:30:43] Yeah. Just too, too much going on in our lives. So I think that like the, the best we can do is to have set, set ourselves up probably to have proper unconscious thinking so that like, it, it's al it's, it's almost like, yeah, I'm not sure if we can make the right choice choices, because I'm not sure if we ha if.

[00:31:04] Our, our, our current selves is in, is in a position where we're actually making choices. I think that we're just operating from a, a, uh, our choiceless behaviors, you know, think that, 

[00:31:14] Eldar: so 

[00:31:15] Toliy: you're think the lazy river of shit. Well, you have to put yourself on the, on the on, on the lazy river of the right thing.

[00:31:21] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:31:21] Toliy: So that you're actually, when you are conscious and you have pockets of that, you put yourself on the right track so that like the path that you're on actually makes Correct, like unc, like you're, you're, you're using your conscious time to not be more conscious, but you're using your conscious time to like reprogram, re re reprogram your subconscious behaviors.

[00:31:42] Mm-hmm. So that you automatically do the right thing when those, right, when those opportunities are 

[00:31:48] Eldar: Yes. 

[00:31:48] Toliy: Presented. Yes. Because the capacity to al like, or the desire to always be conscious. I don't, like you don't know how possible that is, you know, too much. 

[00:31:56] Eldar: For sure. I think you definitely wanna automate the process a little bit, but that's hard to do.

[00:32:03] Like you said, a lot of times, um, like Mike said, arrogance comes into place. Our ego comes into place, our desires come into place. These are all little things, all our appetites Right. That are screaming at us. They're screaming at us. Right. The good choices are whispering. You can't even hear them. Mm-hmm.

[00:32:23] Toliy: The, the, the 

[00:32:24] Eldar: difficulty the opportunities are, are, are all like invisible. Yeah. But the desire is yelling. 

[00:32:29] Toliy: Yeah. That, that, that, that's what I was gonna say. The difficulty is that we have different things that we desire and want, and we just, we just have no clue of the ramifications or the impact, or what these desires even mean.

[00:32:46] Like, think, think about just saying that one desire like, Hey, I want to be wealthy, or I want to be rich. 

[00:32:51] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:32:54] Toliy: If, if you break down all the things that potentially, like encapsulate that mm-hmm. And what that takes, or what that looks like or what that means. There is a whole life outlined right there in that one, one desire.

[00:33:09] And like most people will be like, oh, like, well that's a good like thought to have. Like you want to have a lot of money. Like who, who doesn't kind of Right. But um, that type of thought. Can just ruin your whole life. For example, it's a life sentence. It's a life 

[00:33:24] Katherine: sentence. 

[00:33:24] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's a complete lifes sentence, but you have no idea 

[00:33:29] Eldar: the, what you signed up 

[00:33:29] Toliy: for of, of what you signed up for.

[00:33:31] Yeah. Because that word of like, I want to be rich, or I want to be well wealthy. Well, like what things do you do on the way to get there? What thoughts do you have? What ways about going, like, how do you go? 

[00:33:42] Katherine: What 

[00:33:44] Toliy: are you willing to do and how to 

[00:33:44] Katherine: treat people? 

[00:33:45] Toliy: Yes. How are you gonna treat people? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:33:47] How are you gonna react? What kind of temp temperament are you gonna have? 

[00:33:50] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:33:50] Toliy: How, what, how, uh, like what, what kind of patience levels are you gonna have? What are you willing to compromise? Who will you become? Who will you become? 

[00:33:58] Katherine: Are you willing to sell yourself? 

[00:33:59] Toliy: How much of your, yeah. How much of your time is going to be consumed?

[00:34:02] Yeah. Are you going to do things you don't want to do to get this? 

[00:34:06] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:34:07] Toliy: What, like, what, what happens here? And oftentimes when you have a desire, there's always propaganda for whatever we wanna do out there. 

[00:34:16] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:34:16] Toliy: So if you say that, oh yes. Yourself, that like, Hey, I want to get rich. Obviously in today's age, especially with Oh, how content fo like follows you, right?

[00:34:26] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:34:26] Toliy: If you're, for example, like anti-Trump, you're gonna get a ton of anti-Trump propaganda to, to support your belief system. 

[00:34:33] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:34:34] Toliy: There, if you're gonna talk about materialism and Rich and get, you're gonna be thrown with courses and opportunities and classes and a bunch of quotes and a bunch of other people in Guru Yeah.

[00:34:46] The Andrew Tates, the, you know. Yes. All, all these PE people. 

[00:34:49] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:34:49] Toliy: And this is what your whole life, you're, you're, you're gonna be forever on this spell because your desires are going to be upheld by, by like the whole AI and the whole content sphere out there. 

[00:35:00] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:35:01] Toliy: Based on what you said out loud. 

[00:35:02] Eldar: Oh. 

[00:35:03] Toliy: So if you're the one that 

[00:35:04] Eldar: imprisoned 

[00:35:04] Toliy: yourself Yeah.

[00:35:05] If you're the one that made the decision saying that like, this is what you want, well the, the support and the content will follow. 

[00:35:12] Eldar: That's right. 

[00:35:12] Toliy: You know, um, and, and that is not a choice, like you just made that choice. But again. Everything that follows it. Like your life is essentially over. 

[00:35:23] Eldar: Wow. 

[00:35:24] Toliy: But the, but I don't 

[00:35:25] Eldar: think you have to say anything else after that.

[00:35:26] Toliy: No, no. Just, just I agree. Just one thing I think is interesting. Oftentimes I, I think like, uh, like us as people, we're put in a position where some somehow, um, society or the teachers of society believe that people are in the right state of mind, in the right position to make this choice. 

[00:35:46] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:35:46] Toliy: And oftentimes they, they, they, the 

[00:35:48] Eldar: arrogance.

[00:35:48] That's what 

[00:35:49] Toliy: Mike said. Yeah. It's, well, well, well, well, no, I feel like just how society raises like kids and raise raises people like you need to this 17 or 18-year-old. Needs to pick the profession for the rest of their life. For example, at that time, 

[00:36:04] Katherine: I had a big issue with that. You still do, 

[00:36:06] Toliy: you's ridiculous.

[00:36:07] Like, how are you about to decide? Ridiculous. 

[00:36:09] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:36:09] Toliy: Like, you're an idiot. 

[00:36:11] Katherine: The biggest decision of their life is totally because signing up, sorry, Mike, but like signing up to, to go to, to a, a, a job every single day of your life and being miserable and not liking what you do is a massive deal. 

[00:36:26] Toliy: Well, y yeah.

[00:36:27] That and, and ju and just like, there's a ton of decisions to make. And again, 

[00:36:33] Katherine: you know, in order to get you to that 

[00:36:34] Toliy: one place, and now you're being put on a path 

[00:36:36] Katherine: Yeah. 

[00:36:37] Toliy: That you're actually not qualified or prepared to make, but somehow society pressure normalizes and pressures 

[00:36:42] Katherine: Yeah. Mm-hmm. 

[00:36:43] Toliy: People and thinks it's okay.

[00:36:45] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:36:45] Toliy: For them to right now do this. It's not like they are 18 and their first, let's say like, you know, the last like, like let's just say like 10 plus years have been. Um, first thought about like, hey, like, I dunno, having good manners, teaching people about respect, teaching people about philosophy, teaching attitude, teaching people about doing the right thing.

[00:37:04] Yeah. The importance of a good attitude of sharing and caring. Yeah. And doing all of these things that are so-called valued. Right. When maybe you're like in kindergarten and when they say like, Hey, share your crayons with George. You know, I'm sure he's 

[00:37:16] Katherine: caring. Right? 

[00:37:16] Eldar: I just picture George having curly hair.

[00:37:18] He's a little bit chunky. 

[00:37:19] Toliy: Yes, yes. With, with rut cheeks. 

[00:37:22] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah, 

[00:37:23] Toliy: yeah. So, 

[00:37:24] Eldar: and he 

[00:37:24] Toliy: was 

[00:37:24] Eldar: crying. 

[00:37:24] Toliy: Yes. So like, you're not the, the, the, the, the school system does not emphasize that. Yeah. You know, but then they, but they do emphasize you telling you that, Hey, it's time for you to make a decision. You'll be a go-getter.

[00:37:38] Yeah. 

[00:37:39] Mike: Yeah. But society is not like a, in the way it's designed is not meant for what you, like what you're discussing. 

[00:37:45] Katherine: Yeah, 

[00:37:46] Mike: that's true. Like there's the society. Has grown in evol in the number of people faster than the people can evolve and to, to think. So they're just trying to get people who are gonna line up, follow the rules 

[00:37:58] Katherine: Yeah.

[00:37:59] Mike: And be like, productive member of society, 

[00:38:01] Katherine: robots 

[00:38:02] Mike: and robotic, like, they're not equipped for it because they're just a shortage of people who can educate, who are qualified to educate, who are qualified to teach and show people the way. It's like, just like a thing that the situation is, you know? So it's like you kind of gotta 

[00:38:19] Toliy: Yeah.

[00:38:19] I, I, 

[00:38:20] Mike: I figure it out for yourself. So it's, and, and you gotta figure out if you're gonna make it, if you wanna make it or you don't. It's, uh, society society's trying to make the best of what they have based on, based on what they have. Like, it's like, I can't blame my parents for not knowing any better because their parents didn't know any better.

[00:38:35] It's just like the cycle continues. 

[00:38:37] Toliy: Yeah. And, and, you know, and, and I think like for example, like if you're a believer of God or like whatever you believe that, I think that like there's a funny thing that's going on right now. You know, in, in society. 

[00:38:48] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:38:48] Toliy: It was almost like, again, if you think about it, it was almost like, hey, like if God put us on this world 

[00:38:53] Eldar: mm-hmm.

[00:38:54] Toliy: Right. He said, Hey, I'm gonna give you bastards a few thousand years to figure this out. 

[00:38:59] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:38:59] Toliy: Right. 

[00:38:59] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:39:00] Toliy: And if you guys can't, I'm gonna throw AI into the mix. 

[00:39:03] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:39:04] Toliy: And I'm gonna have all knowing computers. 

[00:39:07] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:39:08] Toliy: Now what? Yeah. If you don't think that the school system is gonna drastically change within the next, uh, let's say like 20 years, 

[00:39:14] Eldar: 10 years.

[00:39:15] Toliy: 10 years years, right? 

[00:39:16] Eldar: Yeah. Five years. 

[00:39:16] Toliy: It has to drastically change because all this useless information that's being consumed in, in, in like kids, kids' lives and people's lives is no longer gonna be needed. Like ev even now my sister does homework with, she has full access to, to ai. 

[00:39:30] Eldar: That's right. 

[00:39:31] Toliy: You don't have to do anything.

[00:39:33] Would just ask 

[00:39:33] Katherine: So you're not not learning. 

[00:39:34] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. You could just ask like, what do you have to do? 

[00:39:37] Katherine: Yeah. 

[00:39:38] Toliy: Their only way right now of of of, of like forcing you to do something is to ask only in person open-ended questions. Questions? 

[00:39:45] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:39:46] Toliy: You have 

[00:39:46] Eldar: to present what you have to present almost. Right? 

[00:39:49] Toliy: Like verbally yourself.

[00:39:50] They, they have, they have, they have the ability that when you're like, like on school premise somehow where the internet does not allow you to tho those sites. 

[00:39:57] Eldar: Oh, okay. 

[00:39:57] Toliy: So they can't access any ai, they can't access anything. Mm-hmm. From like any device on them. 

[00:40:02] Eldar: Oh, sick. 

[00:40:02] Toliy: Interesting. I dunno, kind of blocker they have That's pretty sick.

[00:40:04] Eldar: Well, 

[00:40:04] Katherine: think about the students that are med students and are doing this. 

[00:40:08] Toliy: Yeah. But there's plenty 

[00:40:09] Katherine: of those are gonna be future doctors in, you know. 

[00:40:11] Toliy: Yeah. El that's not good. Said No, there's not gonna be future future doctors. There's not gonna be future doctors though. He was already saying by end of year something that like, uh, a AI will be able to do surgery of like an average surgeon and within five years or something.

[00:40:24] That, uh, the, the, the, um, the robot doctor will, will 10 x, like outperform the best human doctor currently in the country. 

[00:40:32] Katherine: Wow. 

[00:40:32] Toliy: So what are you gonna do there? You without, without precis? Yeah. You want a computer that's gonna be like a perfect, like, would you rather rely on like, someone doing math like Harris doing math or the calculator?

[00:40:42] You're gonna take the calculator 

[00:40:43] Eldar: a hundred 

[00:40:43] Toliy: percent know, right? 

[00:40:44] Eldar: Of course. Yeah. 

[00:40:45] Toliy: So you're not, you're, and that's a good 

[00:40:46] Eldar: thing. 

[00:40:46] Toliy: Yeah. That that's a good thing. That means that things are gonna be done. Right. So it's almost like, yeah, I feel like God was like, Hey, like I'm gonna give you a shit ton of time.

[00:40:55] Mm-hmm. Shape up, focus on yourself. Yeah. Learn emphasis. 

[00:40:58] Eldar: Yeah. Why are you putting it like that where it's like, it's almost like AI then becomes a punishment. Yeah. By God. 

[00:41:03] Toliy: Well, 

[00:41:03] Eldar: like 

[00:41:03] Mike: the 

[00:41:03] Eldar: way you're 

[00:41:03] Mike: saying, 

[00:41:04] Toliy: you 

[00:41:04] Mike: know what I thought? It just, 

[00:41:05] Toliy: it's like negative 

[00:41:05] Mike: man. Yeah. I thought it was like the opposite. I thought it's like almost AI takes away the power from people.

[00:41:10] Like, uh, unless like AI could be very resourceful to do the things that you don't really need to do, that are not like that. So you could focus on the things that are important. I think you, if Musk was saying this, said, we're not gonna need to work. So we can focus on the important things. And to me, what I think about the important things, like, oh, maybe not the 

[00:41:28] Eldar: details that we're talking about.

[00:41:29] Mike: Yeah. The things that we're talking about. 

[00:41:30] Eldar: Yes. 

[00:41:31] Mike: So if AI's gonna take away the things that we have to do, like, you know, go to go make money, for example, or like, you know, mundane shit. 

[00:41:37] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:41:38] Mike: And we can focus more on this. I mean, that sounds great to me. 

[00:41:40] Eldar: Yeah. To 

[00:41:42] Mike: think or other people thinking about it like that.

[00:41:44] Uh, 

[00:41:44] Toliy: yeah. I feel like it, it, it was almost like a boost. 

[00:41:47] Eldar: I'm not sure if he is understood, Mike. I'm not sure if Elon Musk has really understood like that. Yeah. 

[00:41:51] Toliy: But, but it was, he, well, like people, it, it was almost put on the earth to like boost. Right. Like, um, I'm just gonna give you like a little know in my, and in the game I play.

[00:42:00] Mm-hmm. 

[00:42:00] Eldar: Right? 

[00:42:01] Toliy: Like, there, there's a, like a, in the game 

[00:42:02] Eldar: you goon out. 

[00:42:03] Toliy: Yeah. There, there, there's like a, um, like a, um, a raid where you have to kill all these bosses. Mm-hmm. And what happens in the game every, every season that the best players, the best like teams, they'll go and they'll kill it. 

[00:42:17] Eldar: Mm-hmm. And 

[00:42:18] Toliy: every single like two, two to four weeks that, that like ev every single time.

[00:42:23] They have it where they nerf these things and they make them easier and easier. And then they, the 

[00:42:27] Eldar: bosses. 

[00:42:28] Toliy: The bosses. Okay. The same bosses. 

[00:42:29] Eldar: Okay. 

[00:42:30] Toliy: So, so more people can, can participate and they can do it too. 

[00:42:33] Eldar: Okay. 

[00:42:33] Toliy: And then they just have a system after like the middle of it, it was like, Hey, if you still haven't killed it, we're gonna give you a 5%, um, boost in, in like, strength every single week.

[00:42:43] And then it gets to a point where it's like, it's almost so trivial that everyone like, does it 

[00:42:48] Eldar: Mm. 

[00:42:48] Toliy: But it's almost like a thing of like, Hey, the people that were actually really good at this. Mm-hmm. They, they did it in the very beginning and they like, they like, like, they like, um, they put their time, their energy into it.

[00:42:59] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:42:59] Toliy: And they were able to like do it. And for the people that like, suck at this. 

[00:43:02] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:43:03] Toliy: We have to give all these bonuses and we have to give them all these like, crutches, crutches for them to do it as well. So I feel like almost like here, it's like, hey, if like society wasn't able to figure this out, it's almost like AI is putting, um, everyone in this kind of position where like, hey, like.

[00:43:21] You're gonna have to almost now. 

[00:43:22] Eldar: Oh, wow. That's the way you look at it. That's a very interesting, 

[00:43:24] Toliy: well, I'm looking at it as, as, as a 

[00:43:27] Eldar: take, hey, 

[00:43:27] Toliy: these things of like, hey, like there was plenty of opportunity over humankind's, like, like mankind's existence to like do the right thing, shaping in the right way.

[00:43:37] Change work on yourselves. Right. Everybody has to Now 

[00:43:40] Eldar: you're saying that it's almost like a force. 

[00:43:41] Toliy: It's almost like, um, like that, that's what I'm saying. The sense of like, God's like, Hey, I'm gonna give you guys a few thousand years. Figure it out. You can't. All right. I'm gonna put this, uh, 

[00:43:52] Eldar: see, I'm not sure, I'm not sure this here, I'm not sure if God actually operates out of force.

[00:43:56] Toliy: Well, not, no, not, that's 

[00:43:57] Eldar: why I think that's why AI was made by man. 

[00:43:59] Toliy: May, may, yeah. Maybe. But like, it, it, it just like, yeah. Yeah. I see what you're saying. I'm not saying like for force almost, but it's like maybe he sees that we need a boost, you know, that like we're kind of fucked, you know? Yeah. So he is like, Hey, I'm gonna help you guys out here, you know, because you guys are focusing on the wrong things.

[00:44:19] Eldar: I agree. I 

[00:44:20] Toliy: think that you're not, that you're seize the opportunities. 

[00:44:21] Eldar: I think that with ai, 

[00:44:22] Toliy: that God, that God, that God has created Yeah. You're not able to enjoy like the nature, you're not able to. 

[00:44:28] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:44:28] Toliy: Um, have good relationships with people. Yeah. You're not able to create empowered individuals. 

[00:44:34] Eldar: Yeah.

[00:44:34] Toliy: You're not able to be good leaders. You're not able to do the right thing and desire the right things. 

[00:44:39] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:44:40] Toliy: But he gave the opportunity for like to do wrong and to do right. And he sees that there's not enough, I think maybe be right going on or enough of the right values or like direction. 

[00:44:51] Eldar: Do you think that AI is gonna be esteemed to that degree where people actually gonna listen to AI though?

[00:44:57] Toliy: So I don't know about it being esteemed to that degree, but I think that it's going to 

[00:45:01] Eldar: Sure. Just because it has the right answers. Like Okay. Like think of like, okay, that's the right answer. It 

[00:45:05] Toliy: it, 

[00:45:05] Eldar: but to the implementation of it. 

[00:45:07] Toliy: Well, I, well I think it's going to over time, put people in scenarios where it's like.

[00:45:13] Um, because it will be continuing to be developed into an all-knowing kind of like supercomputer 

[00:45:19] Eldar: mm-hmm. 

[00:45:20] Toliy: Of everything. Right. Um, I think it's gonna force people will, will it? Yeah. Yeah. It's basically going to, I think either, uh, force people to like, destroy it completely, for example. 

[00:45:34] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:45:35] Toliy: Or to be put in a position where they only, like, they can only do one thing.

[00:45:41] And that's to think, and that's to like, um, understand what's like the purpose of this all and what, and, and to like develop. And that will be a very painful, um, moment for, for everyone that gets put on that, in that kind of way. Um, and 

[00:45:59] Eldar: see, I'm not sure if you're creating a dystopia yet, or Hell, 

[00:46:03] Toliy: I think there has to be a hell before there's a dystopia.

[00:46:05] Katherine: Yeah. Dystopia comes after, 

[00:46:07] Eldar: wait, what's this? Right 

[00:46:08] Toliy: now there has to be a, what, what's that called? There has to be like a. Uh, like we have to burn first peace type thing. Yeah. Like there, so we 

[00:46:15] Katherine: have to 

[00:46:16] Eldar: first 

[00:46:17] Toliy: base because of the accumulation of all this wrongdoing. 

[00:46:20] Eldar: No. Okay. Yeah. Let of all Mike, Mike wasn't 

[00:46:22] Toliy: about I'll catch 

[00:46:23] Eldar: him up.

[00:46:23] Yeah. Of all the sinning. So to tie back to the topic, because of the fact that everyone is not seeing what we're trying to point out mm-hmm. Right. The opportunities and the smallest things. Yeah. In the smallest moments. Mm-hmm. To slow down to actually do it. 

[00:46:35] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[00:46:35] Eldar: He's saying that AI now was brought here almost 

[00:46:38] Mike: mm-hmm.

[00:46:39] Eldar: To force that upon us. Mm. And that force is gonna be the hell that they experience in the beginning, before you can experience the, the bliss, 

[00:46:47] Toliy: the loss of jobs, the not understanding how to use it. 

[00:46:51] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:46:51] Toliy: All this is like, this like forceful suffering. People, all you hear is jobs getting cut. They're getting cut.

[00:46:57] This is getting cut. This is being cut. Now you, this would take 10,000 hours to develop this app. Yeah. Now it takes 30 minutes. 

[00:47:03] Eldar: That's right. Mm-hmm. 

[00:47:04] Toliy: Now this takes an hour. This used to take a like, you know, two months. You know, like we're hearing this in tech every day. Yeah. What about all these people that were being paid to do this, you know, millions of dollars.

[00:47:14] Millions of dollars. Billions of dollars, yeah. To do this 10 month project that can now be done in 30 minutes by, by one nerd. 

[00:47:21] Eldar: Yeah. That doesn't exist. 

[00:47:22] Toliy: Yeah. Mm-hmm. 

[00:47:23] Mike: In, 

[00:47:23] Eldar: in reality. Yeah. 

[00:47:24] Toliy: Yeah. You know? So what, what now, where, where's all these billable hours? How do, how do you, like, how do you employ people?

[00:47:32] Work, solve all this? Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:47:34] Mike: So how, how is it gonna solve the people? Like, people gonna have money problems, just say from this 'cause everybody getting fired. How is that? That's the how you're talking about? 

[00:47:41] Toliy: Well, well, no, 

[00:47:43] Eldar: I think the people 

[00:47:45] Katherine: will see it though. 

[00:47:46] Eldar: Yeah. I think that, uh, the transition, I think is gonna be, uh, instilling fear in a lot of people.

[00:47:51] Katherine: A threat. A threat too. 

[00:47:52] Eldar: You know, because first of all, you don't understand what the fuck is going on. 

[00:47:54] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[00:47:54] Eldar: Right? That whole transition. And that's already slowly beginning already, like totally saying. Right. Uh, which is gonna be that forceful, like, oh, you don't wanna pay attention. Well, now you have to.

[00:48:03] Mm. You have to learn something new. 

[00:48:05] Mike: Yeah, yeah. No, I definitely think AI is, is, uh, is huge and it could have a huge impact. 

[00:48:11] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:48:12] Mike: I'm not sure to what extent it's gonna be though. Yeah. 

[00:48:14] Eldar: Well, can it actually do what Tolli is asking for or, um, help us progress a little bit closer to enlightenment and, and become, um, the best selves.

[00:48:26] Right. Because again, now that we have all these problems, all these issues, and we're always, uh, fighting for the leaves instead of the roots. 

[00:48:33] Toliy: Mm-hmm. 

[00:48:33] Eldar: Right. Can it actually be beneficial and help us? 

[00:48:38] Toliy: We, we continue to have like the same thing. You continue to have like. Unethical or greedy politician. 

[00:48:44] Mike: Yeah.

[00:48:44] Based on what you guys are saying, based on what you guys are saying, I think we gotta start buying crazy stocks because it sounds like we're headed for a great depression. 

[00:48:52] Eldar: Really. 

[00:48:52] Mike: Well, yeah. 

[00:48:53] Eldar: Tell me more. 

[00:48:54] Mike: Well, if people are not gonna have any, any work, everybody's gonna get fired. It's gonna be robots doing the work.

[00:48:58] Eldar: Okay. 

[00:48:58] Mike: How are people gonna pay for this shit? 

[00:49:00] Eldar: Well, that's why universal, universal income, at some point the government have to step in and say, oh, don't worry about it. We're just gonna print this. And the economy has to. 

[00:49:08] Mike: But the thing is, those things, they don't just happen 

[00:49:11] Eldar: simul simultaneously. 

[00:49:12] Toliy: I, but think about it 

[00:49:12] Eldar: at the same 

[00:49:13] Toliy: time, what, what does that mean of that happening?

[00:49:15] That that's like a flattening out, for example, of greed, right? 

[00:49:18] Eldar: Yeah. Yes, it is. 

[00:49:20] Toliy: You're, you're not giving that opportunity anymore. If you're saying that like, Hey, none of you, anyone's jobs, ma matters. Nothing matters. Okay, well then there's no more power, for example. That's rights. 

[00:49:29] Eldar: There's no 

[00:49:29] Toliy: power 

[00:49:30] Eldar: struggle.

[00:49:31] There's 

[00:49:31] Toliy: more struggle. This guy is here. Mm-hmm. And this guy is here. That's right. There's no middle class, there's no rich, there's nothing. 

[00:49:36] Eldar: Yeah, 

[00:49:37] Toliy: because like. All of your skills and all, everything, everything that you have is useless. All that you have is like your existence basically. 

[00:49:45] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:49:45] Toliy: Because again, AI and robots can do everything.

[00:49:49] Mike: Well now I think people can actually focus on things that they like. 

[00:49:52] Toliy: Yeah. Essentially. But that kind of transition, because I feel like the development of, for example, AI and tech is going way faster than the development of hu of mankind, clearly. Of 

[00:50:02] Mike: course. Yeah. 

[00:50:02] Toliy: Mm-hmm. Right. So there's a huge gap in like humans have been around for how long?

[00:50:08] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:50:09] Toliy: Is it since like, like if it's 2026, when? When did it start? Because there was, 

[00:50:14] Eldar: well I think this said 10,000 years. 10,000 years or so. Yeah, I think like first, I don't know. They, they track backwards. Couple thousand 

[00:50:19] Toliy: years from, from a couple more. No, yeah. No, theres more. Because like year one is BC right?

[00:50:25] Yeah. There's year one of BC of, of Jesus' death. 

[00:50:27] Eldar: Yes. Yes. 

[00:50:27] Toliy: And that's when it started. Yeah. But there was, uh, uh, that Yeah, that's ad then, then there's b BC Yeah. 

[00:50:34] Eldar: Before Christ. Before Christ, yeah. 

[00:50:35] Toliy: Yeah. There's time then. 

[00:50:36] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:50:37] Toliy: So 5,000, we've, we've had thousands of years to figure this shit out. Clearly society is not, 

[00:50:44] Eldar: again, the way you're saying it.

[00:50:45] Toliy: And, and the speed of ai, for example, in the tech is not even close to the speed of human development. It's been Proven. Proven, 

[00:50:53] Eldar: yeah. 

[00:50:54] Toliy: Right. 

[00:50:54] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:50:55] Toliy: So, you know, like, think about it like a company like today re re releases a new big feature. It just kills off other companies just like that. All your years of hard work is gone.

[00:51:09] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:51:09] Toliy: You're useless. 

[00:51:11] Eldar: Yeah. Mike, what are we investing in? 

[00:51:14] Mike: That is a good question. That is a good question. But I do think that, like the example, right, cars, they evolve too, right? 

[00:51:24] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:51:25] Mike: But there's still people who collect expensive cars, old cars. 

[00:51:29] Eldar: Yeah. But that's like, you know, 

[00:51:30] Mike: diamond doesn't, 

[00:51:30] Eldar: no, 

[00:51:30] Mike: yeah, I know what I'm saying.

[00:51:31] Like, 

[00:51:32] Eldar: but how many Jay Lenos do you know? You know? 

[00:51:33] Mike: Sure. But, but I'm saying like that kind of stuff. Sure. Some of those, it'll allow people to do hobbies that they actually get happiness from, their joy from like, you know, pleasant, which is obviously good. 

[00:51:43] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:51:44] Mike: But the stuff that's like, nobody really wants to do that has to get done.

[00:51:49] That's gonna be gone. 

[00:51:51] Katherine: It's like handwritten mail. 

[00:51:52] Mike: Think about, uh, no, I think novel shit is gonna stay. 

[00:51:55] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:51:56] Mike: And the automated shit. Like who care? Who's excited about package packaging Shit on Amazon? 

[00:52:02] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:52:02] Mike: No, I don't think anybody, I mean, maybe few people. 

[00:52:05] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:52:05] Mike: You know, but nobody's excited about packaging mail.

[00:52:09] Or boxes and shit. Right. Nobody's excited about driving 12 hours a day delivering mail. Get people 

[00:52:15] Eldar: leveling up already. 

[00:52:16] Mike: Yeah. Yeah. They realize this is terrible. Those jobs are gonna get replaced, and those companies, 

[00:52:21] Eldar: rightfully so, 

[00:52:21] Mike: are gonna make a lot more money. 

[00:52:24] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:52:24] Mike: Some companies or some companies gonna, like, Amazon is gonna fire 200,000 people.

[00:52:29] Eldar: So it's, it's very simple. You have to, you have to just invest in robotics. 

[00:52:33] Mike: You have to invest in robotics and short, the non robotics, the companies that are not, 

[00:52:38] Eldar: not moving with that, with that 

[00:52:39] Mike: flow. Not moving with ai. Yeah. Yeah. Whoever's like, I don't know, I have to think about it. But 

[00:52:42] Eldar: yeah. 

[00:52:43] Mike: Companies that are not, 

[00:52:44] Eldar: when they start bridging the gap and putting all the, like, you know, like Tesla's doing 

[00:52:48] Mike: Yeah.

[00:52:48] Eldar: Taking AI and putting into cars 

[00:52:50] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:52:50] Eldar: And making them robots. 

[00:52:51] Mike: Yeah. 

[00:52:52] Eldar: When they start bridging the gap with those robotic machines mm-hmm. And AI is, is completely installed in there. That's it. Yeah. That's the 

[00:52:57] Toliy: biggest 

[00:52:58] Eldar: boom. 

[00:52:58] Toliy: Yeah. To, to, to me it's very difficult to picture reality where like, let's say AI is a hundred x stronger than it is now and.

[00:53:08] Like I, I, I don't like, I I, I don't understand the world, right. Like right now of how hu humans and, and that exist together. Mm-hmm. Like, I, I, I can't see it. Like, I can't see that world where like, you know, there's no more working and there's a universal income and it's just like doing what you want, for example.

[00:53:27] And there's just like that kind of like existence. You see it or 

[00:53:30] Mike: you don't 

[00:53:30] see 

[00:53:30] Toliy: it? I don't see it. I, yeah. I don't see how it's gonna play out. I don't see it, I 

[00:53:34] Mike: don't understand it. 

[00:53:34] Toliy: Yeah. I see universal income. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I, I just don't see that where like all jobs are just done. Like Yeah. But I see it closer to 

[00:53:41] Eldar: mm-hmm.

[00:53:41] Toliy: There's a, like, I, I, I see a closer of it being, there's a, like more of a sabotage of AI to happen. 

[00:53:48] Eldar: Oh. That's always happens in the beginning 

[00:53:49] Toliy: where they're 

[00:53:50] Eldar: gonna try. 

[00:53:50] Toliy: Yeah. The, the best tech is gonna be like, is like, like it's gonna be ruled out. It's gonna be like illegal. 

[00:53:57] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[00:53:57] Toliy: They're not gonna like allow it, because like, I think they're like.

[00:54:00] Again, like whoever's in charge or like, let's just say the powers that be. 

[00:54:04] Mike: The illuminaries. 

[00:54:05] Toliy: Yeah, the Illuminati. They're gonna see us and be like, yo, we can't be doing this shit's 'cause we need to hold, get our power. Mm-hmm. We need to hold onto our power. 

[00:54:13] Eldar: Oh. You know, that's what you 

[00:54:14] Toliy: going for. That's a 

[00:54:15] Eldar: totally 

[00:54:15] Toliy: Well, no, I'm saying that like, it's almost like for the Sure.

[00:54:18] People that rely on that. The people that act outta that. This is scary for them. No, 

[00:54:22] Eldar: no. It, it is, it's 

[00:54:24] Toliy: more scary for them than the average, like, uh, factory worker 

[00:54:26] Eldar: for sure. For for sure. For sure. But I'm not sure they're smart enough. I'm not sure they thought this through. 

[00:54:33] Toliy: Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.

[00:54:35] Like 

[00:54:36] Eldar: you can, yeah. You, you can't like, 

[00:54:38] Toliy: but the, the thing is, we 

[00:54:39] Eldar: killing the electric car, you know what I'm saying? It's like they tried and they couldn't, 

[00:54:42] Toliy: the, the thing is that regulat, the thing is information 

[00:54:44] Eldar: is too available today. That's it. 

[00:54:46] Mike: The, 

[00:54:46] Eldar: the cat's out. 

[00:54:47] Mike: The cat's out of 

[00:54:48] Eldar: the bag. The cat's outta the bag.

[00:54:49] Toliy: Yeah. So if that's the case, they're not gonna 

[00:54:50] Eldar: be able to stuff AI back. No. Impossible. I don't see how. 

[00:54:55] Mike: No. 

[00:54:56] Toliy: Yeah, I remember everyone was so, only 

[00:54:58] Eldar: through, only through if they lose their minds Yeah. And they go to war, don't put the world back into Ice age. Yes. 

[00:55:03] Toliy: I remember when everyone was so excited where you could just say, Hey, Alexa, you know, play this song.

[00:55:06] And everyone's like, oh, it's so cool, you know? 

[00:55:08] Yeah, 

[00:55:08] Toliy: yeah, yeah. It's like little like a thing. Mm-hmm. That, that could just like 

[00:55:11] Eldar: not totally tells you, tells the machine to, to open, you know, to go and do all the work for him, opening tabs and all this other stuff on his computer and do it for him by giving him the login information.

[00:55:21] Gives the login information. He just does everything he needs, he needs on its own. 

[00:55:25] Katherine: Mm-hmm. Wow. 

[00:55:26] Eldar: He 

[00:55:27] Toliy: just comes back and it works. Done. Yeah. I could just like, you know, you, you, if, if you just talk to it again, it could scrape any websites you want, any information you want. All like this thous, th thousands of people with all their cell phones, emails, everything.

[00:55:39] You know what, whatever you want. You know, like there, there, there's like, if you don't know how to do something, you now know how to do do everything. 

[00:55:49] Katherine: Yeah. 

[00:55:49] Toliy: Because you have this tool 

[00:55:50] Katherine: without 

[00:55:51] Toliy: actually learning that's like on your team, you know? Mm-hmm. So it's like. Yeah. Now, now, now, now is like more than ever not the time to say that.

[00:55:58] Like, hey, like you don't know what to do or you're not empowered. 

[00:56:01] Mike: But it's also the application has to be in the, in the hands. Right? In the right hands. 

[00:56:06] Toliy: Yes. Yes. Definitely. 

[00:56:07] Mike: The thing is like, there's plenty of people who got extremely wealthy and then lost at all. It's not about having the information or the access to it or the ais It be that's what you do 

[00:56:17] Eldar: with it.

[00:56:18] Mike: It's what you do it, you could, you could use it for good, you could use it for bad 

[00:56:20] Eldar: of course. 

[00:56:21] Mike: Or you could just use it for nothing. 

[00:56:22] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:56:22] Mike: You know, so there's a, that's also, there's no guarantee that it's gonna be like this what Elon Musk is saying, but it sounds, sounds like it might be heading, it could head in that direction.

[00:56:35] Depends like, 

[00:56:36] Eldar: well, listen, I think that the warning that toll is given is a good one for the listeners. Uh, that if you don't want to be forced into something, I think it's time to think now. About certain changes about your life and actually prioritize yourself. And that's what we're talking about.

[00:56:49] Prioritize the small things where you can find opportunities and seize those moments of opportunity. Mm-hmm. Because, you know, by the, by the, by the looks of it, it seems like AI is gonna have, is gonna one day force you or force people in order to reflect and have an introspective conversation going forward.

[00:57:06] And, uh, to really redefine who you are and why you are. 

[00:57:10] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah. That, 

[00:57:11] Eldar: when will that come? We're not sure, but I think that at least with this podcast, at least what we're talking about, we've been talking about this. 

[00:57:16] Mike: Mm-hmm. 

[00:57:17] Eldar: You know what I mean? So, but 

[00:57:18] Toliy: that, but, but, but I feel like that in general is just like EE even now, and even before ai, for example, like, like I just think life works in that kind of, in a way, right?

[00:57:28] Where it's like, like there's all of these kind of like systems and like things in place that like, hey, if you're not able to think there's gonna be, uh, there's already a system out there that's gonna think for you. For example, you want to be a criminal. Yeah. You need to get thrown in jail. 

[00:57:44] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:57:44] Toliy: And you're gonna have a predefined day.

[00:57:47] Yeah. Every single day will be controlled by someone else for the rest of your life, for example, or for X amount of time. 

[00:57:51] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:57:52] Toliy: Right. Yeah. Depending on the crime. Yeah. You wanna kill someone. Yeah. Let's just say you're likely to spend the rest of your life in prison. 

[00:57:58] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:57:58] Toliy: And for the rest of your life, all of your decision.

[00:58:01] Well for like 99% of your decision making 

[00:58:04] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:58:04] Toliy: Is taken away from you. 

[00:58:05] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:58:05] Toliy: Right. For example, um, you wanna, for example, like, um, I dunno, be really unhealthy or do really unhealthy things or do like crazy drugs or whatever it is. Well, like there's a system in place of like, for example, like healthcare and like being in a hospital and like when you're on the deathbed or where you're in the hospital in crazy pain or you have a crazy issue 

[00:58:27] Eldar: mm-hmm.

[00:58:28] Toliy: You're gonna be forced to listen to whatever doctor, like you're, that's it. You're gonna be li you're gonna be doing whatever they're saying if, for example, if you wanna live, if you're in that position 

[00:58:36] Eldar: mm-hmm. 

[00:58:36] Toliy: Or if you're already in the hospital, like they have a protocol to keep you alive. Right? Yeah.

[00:58:40] And to do their best. 

[00:58:40] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:58:41] Toliy: Regardless of you want pretty much follow, you're just gonna follow it. 

[00:58:45] Eldar: Yeah. 

[00:58:46] Toliy: What, whatever you want. You wanna not be empowered, for example, like worker. 

[00:58:50] Eldar: Mm-hmm. 

[00:58:51] Toliy: And you just wanna kind of like have other people, you know, tell you what to do all day and do that because you can't think for yourself.

[00:58:59] You're gonna get that path. 

[00:59:00] Eldar: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's true. It's just true. You're right. It's already kind. Whatever you 

[00:59:03] Toliy: want 

[00:59:03] Eldar: in life is already because AI is gonna expedite some of it and, and redefine it a little bit more Clear. Other people 

[00:59:09] Toliy: you wanna, for example, like, um, you know, I don't know, have too many kids and not being able to make enough money and be on like food stamps or welfare or like that kind of stuff.

[00:59:17] Eldar: Yeah. Like 

[00:59:18] Toliy: government's gonna give you a certain amount of money and that's it. So you are going like again. And 

[00:59:23] Eldar: if you, if you want, I got one. If you wanna be a guy that continues to give you, give analogies during a podcast and never stops. Mm-hmm. Yes. You could be like totally. 

[00:59:30] Toliy: Yes. A hundred, a hundred, a hundred percent 

[00:59:32] Eldar: my mainline.

[00:59:33] You're just a fucking rambler. 

[00:59:35] Toliy: My, my, you 

[00:59:36] Eldar: rambled like fucking five analogies just now. What is wrong with you? I, they're 

[00:59:39] Toliy: good analogies. God, 

[00:59:41] Eldar: you got the, you got the bowl over the net 

[00:59:43] Toliy: enough? Yeah. Yeah. They, they applied to different types of people. 

[00:59:46] Eldar: Oh, okay. You're right. All right. Gimme a couple 

[00:59:47] Toliy: more and see.

[00:59:48] Gimme 

[00:59:48] Eldar: a 

[00:59:48] Toliy: couple more. We need 10 more. Got off the whole time. She didn't hear that one. 

[00:59:52] Eldar: Are you serious? Give her one more. 

[00:59:54] Katherine: No, he, he, he just gave so many 

[00:59:56] Toliy: gi give, say, say the ones I said. 

[00:59:58] Katherine: Well, the thing is like the, the, the 

[01:00:00] Eldar: you, you draw a blank. That's say you're fired. 

[01:00:02] Yeah. 

[01:00:02] Eldar: Are 

[01:00:02] Toliy: you serious? You ed her? 

[01:00:04] Mike: I'm gonna have a talk with her after this.

[01:00:05] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:00:05] Mike: I'm, 

[01:00:08] Toliy: you should have allowed him out intentionally. 

[01:00:09] Katherine: No, but I, I agree with elder. It 

[01:00:11] Mike: was a lot of, she's blocking him out intentionally. She's not listening, but she's hearing it. Yeah. She knows what she is embodying you. She's a smart wife. Trust me. 

[01:00:18] Toliy: Yeah. 

[01:00:18] Mike: It's not gonna come out right now. The main point.

[01:00:20] It's gonna come out in a couple. The 

[01:00:21] Toliy: main point is this 

[01:00:21] Mike: couple months, 

[01:00:22] Toliy: if you don't wanna govern yourself. 

[01:00:24] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:00:24] Toliy: Someone will govern you. That's it. 

[01:00:26] Eldar: So you suggested to listen to this fucking podcast and learn something 

[01:00:29] Toliy: if you want to govern yourself. 

[01:00:30] Eldar: Oh my god. Alright guys, we said a lot. Let's go around the room.

[01:00:36] Baby, we're not gonna start with you. 

[01:00:37] Katherine: Don't start with me. I don't know how we got into ai. See, 

[01:00:44] Toliy: no one does. No, no one does I'll that I'm never able to get into that boat moment where like I can actually do, do that. 

[01:00:50] Eldar: Really? 

[01:00:50] Toliy: Yeah. Where like I could just be like, where? Totally. You trick me every time 

[01:00:55] Katherine: that, that means you, that means you're scrolling on your phone.

[01:00:57] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:00:58] Toliy: Where are you? Shit. Yeah. No, no. Like he's just say, Hey, we're gonna start with you, not you. And I'm, 

[01:01:03] Katherine: wait, can I ask, 

[01:01:03] Toliy: we're not starting with you. 

[01:01:04] Katherine: Did you like my analogy? 

[01:01:06] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:01:07] Katherine: Did you like my analogy? Just Mike responded. 

[01:01:09] Toliy: I'm never able to zero it into that was like, no, nobody got my analogy. I'm ask you a question, but that's over the head.

[01:01:15] I don't give a fuck what you think. Yeah. Yes. Yes. I, I can never do, do, do that and make it 

[01:01:19] Eldar: serious 

[01:01:19] Toliy: and for it to be Yeah, because you were so serious. You were, Hey, we're gonna start with not with you. 

[01:01:23] Eldar: Yeah. Mike, final thoughts? Yeah. What do you think? Did we fucking get it? Did we, did we give no, a good warning to people about the, the smallest things actually make the biggest differences?

[01:01:34] The paradox that you talk about. Yeah. The smallest things, actually the biggest things in our lives. Yeah. And we mm-hmm. There's so much opportunity here right now that you're missing out. 

[01:01:43] Mike: Um, 

[01:01:44] Eldar: if you look 

[01:01:45] Mike: a 

[01:01:45] Eldar: little bit closer, 

[01:01:45] Mike: think, take out a magnifying 

[01:01:47] Eldar: glass. 

[01:01:47] Mike: I think we said what we have to say and those who have to hear will hear it.

[01:01:51] Eldar: Oh shit. 

[01:01:52] Mike: And those are already already land right there, guys. If you heard it, 

[01:01:55] Eldar: please leave a review 

[01:01:56] Mike: if you heard it. Let's hear how many means. That's great. That means you ready, you open to like, hear this information or what they say in those communities. You're ready to receive. 

[01:02:06] Eldar: Are you ready to receive?

[01:02:08] Katherine: It sounds like Mike really wants to be a part of the community because, 

[01:02:10] Eldar: no, I think Mike wants to go and he can be the 

[01:02:11] Mike: number 

[01:02:12] Katherine: one. Yo, his focus, 

[01:02:12] Eldar: his 

[01:02:13] Katherine: focus 

[01:02:13] Eldar: is on. Yes. 

[01:02:14] Katherine: He wants to, 

[01:02:15] Toliy: he's always wanting to walk into a yoga studio when it's quiet as hell and just take a dump on the floor. 

[01:02:18] Mike: Yeah. Yes. What you saying?

[01:02:21] Oh my god, that's funny. Uh, yeah, Mike is right. Totally. 

[01:02:28] Toliy: I feel like no one's going hear a damn word. We, we said, 

[01:02:30] Mike: get the fuck outta here. I, no, I disagree. I think this, this, I'm gotta make a poll. I, I'm gonna distribute that point, because that goes back to everything. Like what, how this podcast started. 

[01:02:39] Katherine: Yeah.

[01:02:40] Why then why are we sitting here 

[01:02:41] Mike: Friday? The point of your first initial argument is to, well, we were talking about all air, to, to empower myself to then to help empower another person. Yeah. 

[01:02:53] Toliy: Look, I was just trying to get us more, more listens, but, all right guys, if you guys don't want more, then fine. 

[01:02:58] Eldar: Fine.

[01:02:58] All 

[01:02:58] Eldar: right, fine. 

[01:02:58] Toliy: Everyone wants, 

[01:02:59] Eldar: no, but he's right about that. You know, like if you, if you kind of like, you know, like, make an analogy. 

[01:03:05] Toliy: No, no 

[01:03:07] Eldar: more of, of the population that actually like, oh shit, yo, he's talking about me. You know what I mean? They're like, oh, yeah, they subscribed. 

[01:03:12] Toliy: Everybody wants something that they're being ruled out of, like saying like, Hey, you're not capable of listening to this.

[01:03:17] Like, don't you know No, I wanna listen to this shit. 

[01:03:19] Eldar: Yes, yes. 

[01:03:19] Toliy: You're right. Like pe people have an automatic e ego reply, like, no, I can fucking 

[01:03:25] Eldar: everyone like shit. 

[01:03:26] Toliy: Yeah, 

[01:03:26] Eldar: okay. 

[01:03:27] Mike: For sure. 

[01:03:27] Toliy: Yeah. You know? Alright, 

[01:03:28] Mike: fine. 

[01:03:28] Toliy: Yeah, I think it's, I, yeah, I think it'd be very difficult to go through this and then like, and then what?

[01:03:33] Like your, your, your inbox would've to be flooded like on like next Monday or whatever. Flooded of people say, 

[01:03:39] Eldar: oh, the comments on when I, when I, when I boost this, this, this, this episode. Yeah. 

[01:03:44] Toliy: Like, because like there has to be a ton of questions now, right? 

[01:03:47] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:03:48] Toliy: Yeah. People have been looking for the fucking messiah for, for forever.

[01:03:50] Eldar: Yes. And he's sitting right here. 

[01:03:52] Toliy: No, it's you. It's 

[01:03:53] Eldar: you, 

[01:03:53] Toliy: man. 

[01:03:54] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:03:54] Toliy: It's totally bare. 

[01:03:55] Eldar: Yeah, it's totally bare. Babe, leave us with some nice thoughts. Uh, it's okay. I it could be, it could be in the form of a meme or gi I have one. I have one for you. Phone not eating anymore. 

[01:04:11] Katherine: Oh gosh. 

[01:04:13] Eldar: Emoji. 

[01:04:14] Katherine: You asked mic a question.

[01:04:21] Eldar: You still gonna serve me chicken soup tonight? No. And that's not, I met sardine and that's a metaphor. Sardine. 

[01:04:27] Katherine: That's not a, I might, I just might give you the can of sardine 

[01:04:30] Eldar: and 

[01:04:30] Katherine: call it a and call 

[01:04:31] Eldar: it a J. Yes. Alright. Leave us with it bi.

[01:04:36] Katherine: I agree. 

[01:04:37] Eldar: You agree? 

[01:04:38] Katherine: You ask Mike. 

[01:04:39] Eldar: Yeah, 

[01:04:41] Katherine: I agree. I think that we, we did land it. I think we, we went off a little bit, you know, on the AI stuff. 

[01:04:48] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:04:48] Katherine: Just a different topic. 

[01:04:49] Eldar: But it was super necessary 

[01:04:50] Katherine: in, in my opinion, but I see how, how 

[01:04:51] Eldar: can we not warn our listeners? 

[01:04:52] Katherine: I see how you guys, um, you know, 

[01:04:53] Eldar: no, I think totally did a, did a really good job of warning our listeners as to what's to come.

[01:04:57] And we obviously here have the soft landing, so take it or leave it. 

[01:05:02] Katherine: Yeah. Percent. And I also agree with, with what 

[01:05:03] Eldar: Mike 

[01:05:03] Katherine: said, 

[01:05:04] Eldar: I mean, I agree with 

[01:05:05] Mike: some people resonate thing is like, uh, back to my favorite thing is about the subtraction. 

[01:05:10] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:05:11] Mike: Either you choose to subtract things from your life 

[01:05:13] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:05:13] Mike: So you can focus on the what actually matters.

[01:05:15] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:05:16] Mike: Or it sounds like AI's gonna force you to 

[01:05:17] Eldar: Yes. 

[01:05:18] Mike: Yeah. 

[01:05:19] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:05:20] Mike: To sub SubT 

[01:05:20] Eldar: and do time and due time, 

[01:05:21] Mike: you know? And then it's a little bit harder when it's forceful, you know, it's a, a little bit different when you're like, you know what, I had enough I wanna change versus Yeah. I don't have a choice. Yeah, that's true.

[01:05:32] So 

[01:05:33] Toliy: I think everyone just universally feels better. Right. When something is on, like, on their accord and their, your choice. It's a lot better to wake up at seven in the morning because you wanna wake up at seven in the morning Yeah. Than if you're forced to wake up, for example, at six in the morning or, yes.

[01:05:47] Eldar: Yes. 

[01:05:47] Toliy: Right. So it's almost like, hey, if you don't wanna self-develop, if you don't want to, um, take, take, take this seriously. If you don't wanna seize your opportunity. You're gonna eventually get got like, 

[01:05:58] Eldar: yeah. 

[01:05:59] Toliy: It's gonna, eventually you, you're gonna eventually be put in a position where 

[01:06:02] Eldar: you're ai it's gonna hold court, 

[01:06:03] Toliy: whoever, it doesn't have to be a ai Yeah.

[01:06:05] To be life. Life will be life. Life will always hold, hold that court. Yeah. And they'll put you in whatever category you're deserving of or that you're capable of, of, of that moment. 

[01:06:15] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:06:15] Toliy: And plenty of people have been, you know, maybe at a job they don't like for like 50 years. 

[01:06:20] Eldar: That's right. 

[01:06:21] Toliy: For example.

[01:06:22] Eldar: That's right. 

[01:06:22] Toliy: They just got put in that category and that's it. 

[01:06:25] Eldar: That's it. 

[01:06:25] Toliy: And you're just gonna play out your, you know, automated reality that you sub, sub subscribe, subscribe to. 

[01:06:31] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:06:31] Toliy: You know, so like, you have an opportunity to, I think, to regain like your thinking 

[01:06:36] Katherine: Yeah. 

[01:06:36] Toliy: And regain 

[01:06:37] your 

[01:06:37] Toliy: abilities. But 

[01:06:37] Katherine: see, that goes back to choice, right?

[01:06:39] Like, you can stay in that job for 50 years, or you can choose 

[01:06:44] Toliy: to 

[01:06:45] Katherine: move somewhere else saying, I feel like it's a choice, you know, so I, I, I, but the choice is reflective of where you are in life and where you're at. Your decision making and you know 

[01:06:54] Toliy: Yes. Programmed are you 

[01:06:56] Katherine: really feel so like you are exactly where you need to be.

[01:06:58] Know. Like it just goes back to that, I guess, in my opinion. 

[01:07:00] Toliy: Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I feel like you do have a choice. 

[01:07:03] Katherine: Mm-hmm. 

[01:07:03] Toliy: But I think that like when you make a choice, so many times I don't feel like you get asked the question anymore. 

[01:07:09] Eldar: That's true. So 

[01:07:10] Toliy: I feel like those people that are, have been got, like they've been given so many opportunities, they kept saying no eventually, like, you know, the powers that be are not stop, are gonna stop coming.

[01:07:22] They're gonna stop asking. 

[01:07:23] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:07:23] Toliy: You know? 

[01:07:24] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:07:24] Toliy: So, um, yeah. I don't think that tho those people necessarily like they have a choice anymore. They're already like, they've already opted in. They already opted they've made the 

[01:07:33] Katherine: decisions. 

[01:07:33] Toliy: Yeah. They've already opted in too many, many times to be in where, where they're at.

[01:07:37] Eldar: Yeah. 

[01:07:37] Toliy: You know, they never did anything about it. And to get out of that, I like, yeah. I don't know. I don't see it. 

[01:07:45] Eldar: Well, thank you guys. This was great as always. 

[01:07:49] Mike: Thank you. I thought you were gonna give you, uh, you basically 

[01:07:52] Katherine: saying a lot of 

[01:07:53] Mike: bullshit, man. Did you say anything? 

[01:07:55] Eldar: Did 

[01:07:56] Toliy: you have a final thought? 

[01:07:56] Katherine: I don't think you did.

[01:07:57] Eldar: I, I, well, my final thoughts were is that I, I agree with everything that was said. Yeah, same. Yeah, definitely. I wasn't sure everything you guys said I agree with and I don't think I, I maybe can squeeze something out, but I'm gonna choose to opt out this time. Yeah. Play, 

[01:08:10] Toliy: play, play the other one, please. 

[01:08:12] Sound: You basically saying a lot of bullshit, man.

[01:08:15] Fucking shit. Everything's Nate Dance. Nate are, no, I can't help him, man. Other line. Nate, listen to this. Fuck you. Yeah, 

[01:08:23] Katherine: now it's just a bunch of nonsense. 

[01:08:25] Sound: Oh. Oh boy. I think we got a fear. 

[01:08:29] Katherine: Where's the other one 

[01:08:31] Tom: ringing? James, this is, uh, real. 

[01:08:35] Katherine: I like that one. 

[01:08:37] Mike: Tommy's a good one. 

[01:08:38] Katherine: That's a good one.

[01:08:51] Sound: Because my, my breaking, breaking point. Boy, that one. Yeah. 

[01:08:55] Toliy: Yeah. Or, or, or ones. I'm gonna blow my fucking brains out. 

[01:09:01] Eldar: Yeah. I don't think I have that one. 

[01:09:03] Toliy: I thought you played it before. No.