Dennis Rox: Confessional Self-Improvement & Psychology
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Dennis Rox: Confessional Self-Improvement & Psychology
221. Same Hive. Same Fire. New Season. Welcome Home, Denis.
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In this powerful reunion episode of Dennis Rox!, the crew dives deep into the mysterious synchronicity of old connections circling back, the hard truth of seasons of life, and what it really takes to heal fractured friendships after years of silence. Mike shares how a woman from his past (Polina) randomly messaged him after nearly five years—admitting the lessons he pushed years earlier had finally clicked—right as Denis reaches out after a three-year separation with a raw voice note asking to reunite. The timing is uncanny. What starts as a discussion of people coming and going turns into a live, emotional sit-down when Denis himself walks into the studio as a complete surprise.
You’ll hear honest reflections on identity crisis, resenting your old self while trying to become the next version, the difficulty of real personal growth, mixing business with friendship, planting seeds that take years to sprout, and whether “all the bees can come back to the hive.” The conversation gets vulnerable, funny, skeptical (looking at you, Brother Toliy), and surprisingly hopeful as everyone wrestles with whether time, maturity, and clearer intentions can bridge the gap.
Key Takeaways
- People (and relationships) often return when the timing is right—sometimes after years of reflection and life experience.
- True transformation is rare and extremely difficult; words of change must be tested against consistent actions and thick skin.
- Seasons of life create natural friction: the old version of you can resent the push toward the new one, leading to fallouts that later feel like necessary growing pains.
- “Planting seeds” in relationships or conversations rarely shows results immediately—growth happens on its own timeline.
- Healing old friendships requires clear positive intention (not airing grievances), humility, and a willingness to contribute to the unit rather than extract from it.
- The cold world outside the circle makes the warmth of real connection even more valuable when it returns.
Most insightful moment: Eldar captures the heart of the episode when he says the phenomenon isn’t random—once you plant seeds rooted in truth, “people always will gravitate towards the truth. No matter how slow or how hard it might be, they’ll slowly inch away towards that.” That line lands even harder once Denis is sitting in the room.
The surprise appearance, the live reactions, the laughter, the tension, and the open-handed welcome create a full-circle moment you have to hear. But the real question the episode leaves hanging is whether the door that’s been reopened stays open… or whether the same patterns that caused the original fracture quietly return.
Listen now, then tell us in the comments or reviews: Have old connections ever resurfaced in your life at the exact right (or wrong) time? What did you do with it?
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[00:00:00] Dennis: On this week's episode
[00:00:01] Eldar: As he's telling me this, like, "Oh, look what's going on," I was like, "Holy shit, the synchronicity of what I'm about to tell you right now is crazy." I have something in my back pocket that I was like, "Oh, wow."
[00:00:14] Katherine: Uh, for everyone listening, Dennis actually just walked into the office, onto the podcast.
[00:00:18] How you doing? As Dennis is walking in, I'm thinking to my mi- in my mind, I'm thinking friend or foe?
[00:00:25] Denis: I used to fucking do this thing, you know? Yeah,
[00:00:27] Eldar: yeah,
[00:00:27] Denis: yeah. You know, I appreciate you guys having me. You know? Yeah. It's been a... Can't believe it's been three years. It's been a while,
[00:00:33] Eldar: but- You're not whipping out a grenade out of your pocket, are you?
[00:00:42] All right, guys. Another episode, another Friday. I think we got a really good one today. All right. I think so. I th- Why do you think so? Why are you playing coy? Uh, this one is an interesting, interesting one, because a lot of times this happens to a lot of us. Interesting. Yes. Interesting. A lot of times this kind of stuff happens to a lot of us, I think, uh, in life.
[00:01:04] People come and go into our lives, right? They come in, they go, you know, they'll circle back around For whatever reasons, and we kinda never know, like, what the timeline is. Right, Mike?
[00:01:17] Toliy: Yeah.
[00:01:17] Eldar: Um, but it always happens such ways where it's like, is it, like, a divine intervention or whatever it is? You never know.
[00:01:24] You can't pin- pinpoint it. And, uh, me and Mike were having a conversation about this because he had a very interesting scenario again come about where... Let, let Mike kind of roll with it, but yeah, I think that's a, it's a very interesting phenomenon. But go ahead, Mike. Uh, hit us with it.
[00:01:39] Mike: Well, the scenario?
[00:01:40] Eldar: What happened? Well, give us... Yeah, give us the ex- example and, you know, the example is good, and then what you think about this whole thing.
[00:01:45] Mike: Well, the example is- Uh,
[00:01:46] Eldar: Toliy doesn't know, right?
[00:01:48] Mike: She doesn't
[00:01:48] Eldar: know. All right, so you're in for a treat. I'm in for a treat. Now, you wanted Mike awake, you got Mike awake.
[00:01:51] Yeah, I mean, I, I definitely have some
[00:01:53] Mike: guesses. Okay. You
[00:01:54] Eldar: know?
[00:01:55] Mike: Oh, okay. Well,
[00:01:55] Eldar: don't guess. Well... Okay. Yeah.
[00:01:57] Mike: No, go ahead.
[00:01:58] Eldar: Hit it.
[00:01:59] Mike: Well, Monday, sitting in the office, you know, finished the day. We're about to go play ball, and I get a text on Telegram from my phone. So you already know-
[00:02:09] Toliy: I'm glad that I w- I was correct.
[00:02:11] Mike: Yeah. So I get a random text. Well, maybe not so random, Elder, I guess.
[00:02:16] Eldar: Yes.
[00:02:17] Mike: This is what the theory is or whatever- Yeah ... we're discussing. I get a text from Polina, randomly hits me up, okay? I haven't spoken to her in three years, okay?
[00:02:28] Eldar: Mm-hmm. You remember Polina? No, you know the one? Yes. Okay, you do. I do. You have, you have good memory.
[00:02:33] Of course.
[00:02:33] Katherine: Really?
[00:02:34] Eldar: Okay.
[00:02:34] Toliy: Last thing I remember is the situation with the, with, with the bag.
[00:02:38] Eldar: Okay. Yeah. You got the wrong one. Do I? Wait- Yes,
[00:02:41] Katherine: you got the wrong one ... uh, we needed, like, a little background story on her- Oh ... 'cause who, who is this one?
[00:02:46] Eldar: This is
[00:02:46] Mike: L- Mike, go ahead. You do it.
[00:02:48] Katherine: Um- I, but I, I also don't wanna, like, throw you off on the-
[00:02:50] Mike: No.
[00:02:51] So Polina-
[00:02:52] Eldar: On your
[00:02:52] Mike: tangent. Yeah.
[00:02:54] Katherine: Tangent. Yeah.
[00:02:55] Mike: I think it's, uh, better if you tell. You're, like, the intro guy. All right, fine. Fine.
[00:02:59] Eldar: So-
[00:03:00] Katherine: No, you gotta be the one to throw- No, but Elder's, like, the intro guy ... because
[00:03:03] Eldar: it's your thing. Well, yeah, he gave it to me- Okay ... so I guess I can throw it in, yeah.
[00:03:05] Katherine: Okay.
[00:03:05] Eldar: So yeah.
[00:03:06] And I'll roll off of yours 'cause I, that's a, it's a very good one. Um, so Polina is the girl, babe-
[00:03:13] Katherine: I'm
[00:03:14] Eldar: listening ... where, where Mike, when he was exploring dating himself with girls and stuff like that, he was kind of swiping onto the, the quote-unquote Russian devils, right? The Russian devils are the ones that are- As
[00:03:24] Katherine: Mike likes to call them
[00:03:24] Eldar: the model-looking girls- Mm-hmm ... who are mostly are, you know, um, say privileged and want nice things, shiny things- ... beautiful things. What would, what would Trump say? Which word would he use and say three times? Tremendous things. Tremendous. The, the tremendous things. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Um, so this is one of the girls, Polina, who hi- you know, he swiped, and he matched, and he liked her.
[00:03:47] He was attracted to her. Okay. Whatever, whatever, whatever. But in that moment of Mike's era, let's just say, I don't know how many years ago. Mike probably has elephant memory to remember how many years ago it was. Mike was- I guess, I guess trying to maybe, uh, how do I put this? Um, understand himself in the, in, in the light of, am I just falling in love just to fall in love, uh, because I'm a, just a hopeless romantic?
[00:04:09] Or-
[00:04:11] Katherine: Like, what's going on?
[00:04:11] Eldar: Or what's going on here? Like do, like what's happening? Exactly. Like, like is this real or this is not? And he was kinda testing the waters. I think maybe to some degree Mike at that point was a little bit naive, or maybe a lot naive, Toliy probably would say, when it, when it came to these types of girls.
[00:04:24] Because those girls has already ironed out a very specific agenda, right? They, they ironed out their, their m- MO, right? They, they have a clear ICP. Correct. Yeah.
[00:04:35] Katherine: And, and, and, and they're pretty clear about voicing that too, like presenting themselves as that,
[00:04:40] Eldar: right? Well, you know, they're coy about it. Or not.
[00:04:42] They're coy about it. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? But like they throw out the hints, right? Gotcha. The hints that this is what I like, this is how I like to be treated, my love language is gift giving. I like
[00:04:50] Katherine: shiny gifts.
[00:04:51] Eldar: Yeah. So I mean, if you've- Yeah ... been listening to the podcast for, for the last- Yeah ... six years, you, you went through this era with us with Mike.
[00:04:56] Yeah. Because, you know, we all laid it out. I think it's very interesting actually. Mm-hmm. That's why I think sometimes revisiting these types of, um, topics is, is to me is very insightful. Um, especially in the case of, of Mike. But, uh, yeah, so this girl Polina sh- uh, cut the short... What is it? Sh- uh, long story short.
[00:05:14] Long story short. Long story short, um- We at that time agreed to play by her rules, right? And we said, Mi- What do
[00:05:22] Katherine: you mean we?
[00:05:23] Eldar: Well, because we were discussing this whole situation of how- Oh, now
[00:05:26] Toliy: I remember.
[00:05:26] Eldar: Okay. Yes.
[00:05:28] Katherine: Yeah. This was the list.
[00:05:28] Eldar: This was the list. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay. So-
[00:05:30] Katherine: Okay. I, that I remember ... Mike- I remember someone with a list- Yes
[00:05:33] and then we thought it was funny.
[00:05:34] Eldar: Yeah. Mike, um, like I said, was testing the theory to see whether or not love, quote-unquote, was real, right? Especially from the other end, because he always led with his heart. Little bit naive, a little bit- Oh ... straightforward.
[00:05:47] Katherine: Can I ask a question? Yeah. Mike, you fell in love with this girl?
[00:05:49] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:05:50] Katherine: The list girl? She
[00:05:50] Eldar: was- Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:05:51] Mike: Yeah. Definitely. Oh. I did
[00:05:52] Katherine: the
[00:05:52] Mike: usual.
[00:05:53] Eldar: Mike even told me on the walk that she turned him from a boy to a man. So that's a different story if you wanna know. That's, that's- Babe. That's, that's
[00:05:58] Katherine: on Patreon. Maybe that's TMI.
[00:06:01] Eldar: That's a Pa- that's a Patreon. Look- That's Patreon,
[00:06:03] Mike: yeah
[00:06:03] Katherine: look,
[00:06:04] Eldar: I think I-
[00:06:05] Katherine: Okay. So I'm sorry, I just didn't know there was, like, like, strong feelings involved in, in this one. There was,
[00:06:10] Eldar: there was some strong feelings. There was some strong feelings. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:06:11] Katherine: That's fair. Okay. Okay.
[00:06:12] Eldar: But Mike, but we wanted to test the theory of, look, if you really like her, if you're really about this, go out there, but be straightforward and kind of like, you know, play into her game to see where she's at, to kind of-
[00:06:22] Katherine: Oh, you told him to, to lean in.
[00:06:24] Eldar: Yes.
[00:06:25] Katherine: Mm-hmm.
[00:06:25] Eldar: This was the whole thing. The theory was to go actually and play the role, try this out- Okay ... see what she's about- I think I remember this ... see what you're about. Test your feelings, see if you can turn, quote-unquote, a ho into a housewife. You know what I mean? Oh
[00:06:38] Katherine: my gosh.
[00:06:38] Eldar: And see where that lands, right?
[00:06:41] And obviously Mike, with the big-hearted guy that he is-
[00:06:43] Katherine: Mm-hmm ...
[00:06:44] Eldar: the philosophy-spewing individual that he is- ... quickly hooks these girls and, like, gets them interested and stuff. Mike, and I guess you can roll from there. He's a
[00:06:52] Katherine: philosophy sprayer. Yeah,
[00:06:53] Eldar: he is a philosophy sprayer. Yeah, but he came with the heat.
[00:06:57] Katherine: I, I thought you would like that one. He came with the
[00:06:59] Eldar: heat, yes. Yeah. All right.
[00:07:01] Katherine: Okay.
[00:07:02] Eldar: So- Last week, I was- So yeah, so, so, oh,
[00:07:06] Mike: so last week, okay, or this week actually.
[00:07:10] Eldar: Toliy's already rubbing his eyes, like, "Where this is going?" So,
[00:07:13] Mike: so this week she hits me up.
[00:07:16] Eldar: Mm-hmm.
[00:07:16] Mike: Okay? Oh, there's a s- there was also a small backstory.
[00:07:20] Eldar: Okay.
[00:07:20] Mike: Uh, I told you this, but- Uh-huh ... last, last, uh, July, she hit me up, but I didn't have Telegram, uh, notifications on.
[00:07:29] Katherine: Mm.
[00:07:30] Mike: So I didn't see her message. So you
[00:07:32] Katherine: didn't know about that
[00:07:32] Mike: message. I didn't know about that message, and then I went into Telegram, uh, in October- ... you know, and I open up and I see a message from her.
[00:07:41] I'm like, "Oh, this is random."
[00:07:42] Katherine: Mm.
[00:07:43] Mike: So I message her, and she tells me, um, she tells me she's in a relationship
[00:07:50] Katherine: So should we ask what, what the message was in, back in July?
[00:07:54] Mike: She just... Yeah, she said, "Hey, how you doing?" She said hi. It was, it was nothing. She's- 'Cause so basically she was in New York and she want- she hit me up.
[00:08:01] Katherine: Oh.
[00:08:02] Mike: Yes. She was in New York for two months in July, but I didn't know. I, she, she, she only came out, I only like came out in October.
[00:08:09] Katherine: So it was not meant for you to see
[00:08:10] Mike: her- It was not meant- ... or
[00:08:11] Katherine: talk
[00:08:11] Mike: to her? No, no. So yeah.
[00:08:13] Katherine: All right.
[00:08:13] Mike: Um, yeah, so she hit me up and then, and then we didn't talk since October, and then she messaged me a couple days ago.
[00:08:22] Um- And she started asking me questions about-
[00:08:29] Eldar: Philosophical questions about
[00:08:30] Mike: life. Oh, yeah. Philosophical questions, yeah.
[00:08:34] Katherine: Oh my God, the whole philosophy thing was- Yeah ... was in line.
[00:08:37] Mike: Yeah. Well, she hit me up, you know. Um, we tried to text a little bit briefly. You know, she said... I'm asking her, like, "Hey, what's going on?
[00:08:45] How's your relationship?" 'Cause she told me she's in a relationship, you know, when I spoke to her in October, you know. Uh, she said, "Oh, you know, it's not going so good." I'm like, "Okay, what's going on?" She's like, uh, uh, in Russian, she said, uh, "Jokes?" No, like, like, uh, you know,
[00:09:04] Eldar: Oh, okay. Like
[00:09:05] Mike: this. Psychological, like- Yeah
[00:09:07] you know. She's getting psychological glitches. She has, like, psychological glitches. Yes. Yeah. You know? Um, so she texts me that. I'm like, "Oh, okay, great. This is my favorite subject, you know, psychological glitches." Yeah.
[00:09:18] Katherine: Let's dive in.
[00:09:18] Mike: Yeah. Yeah, totally. Let's dive in.
[00:09:20] Katherine: But wait. Toliy. D- what is a psychological glitch?
[00:09:23] What,
[00:09:23] Eldar: what is that? Well, it's like, uh, mental things. You go- somebody's going through some stuff. Oh,
[00:09:26] Katherine: just like
[00:09:28] Mike: a rough patch. So, so basically, yeah. Yeah. A rough patch, yeah. I'll give you guys those, but yeah, like, she's going through some stuff. She's in this relationship. She feels lonely. She feels like not, not getting enough attention.
[00:09:34] Katherine: Mm.
[00:09:35] Mike: She's jealous. Um, it's... right now it's long distance because he lives in Spain, she lives in Dubai. Um. Toliy, yo,
[00:09:44] Katherine: uh, Toliy can't flip, bro. She lives in Dubai. To- Toliy is just waiting. Yeah. Yeah. He's waiting for the moment to get the green light. I'm,
[00:09:49] Eldar: I'm, I'm still- Toliy, trust
[00:09:51] Katherine: me. Trust me. He, he did the Archie sign, Mike.
[00:09:52] Yes. You heard that.
[00:09:53] Eldar: Yeah, I did. Trust me, Toliy. During the conversations, one of the questions that I asked was your question, and I said, "Mike, did you buy the tickets?" He said, "No, I didn't."
[00:10:00] Katherine: Did you look for tickets? Oh,
[00:10:01] Eldar: yeah. Uh, and I said, "Did you look for tickets?" That's a good one. He said, "No," so we're good.
[00:10:04] We're in the clear for now. Yeah,
[00:10:06] Toliy: but- For
[00:10:06] Eldar: now ... yeah, but Mike,
[00:10:07] Toliy: Mike's very good at, like, this kind of stuff.
[00:10:08] Eldar: He's like- Mike also did just say, "
[00:10:09] Toliy: For now" ... "Well, I looked at how many points they were,
[00:10:10] Eldar: you know, like." Yeah. I already
[00:10:12] Toliy: know
[00:10:12] Eldar: how much the flight is to Dubai and Emirates. But if I... But- Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, go ahead.
[00:10:14] Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:10:16] Katherine: Wait, isn't that the hub for Emirates?
[00:10:18] Mike: Well, yeah. That's why I know the price.
[00:10:20] Katherine: Uh-oh. Yeah.
[00:10:22] Mike: Yeah.
[00:10:23] Katherine: Okay.
[00:10:23] Mike: So she hit me up. She told me, like, going through some stuff, you know? And, um, she wanted to talk, you know, she wanted to hear what I think. She wanted to... You know, so we got on the phone. We had, like, a, not a crazy long conversation, but we spoke about everything kind of, you know, what she was going through, you know?
[00:10:45] And, um-
[00:10:50] Yeah. So we had that conversation.
[00:10:53] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:10:53] Mike: Yeah. With her, we spoke, she told me the stuff that's going on- Mm-hmm ... what she's going through. She told me, she's like, um, she's like, you know, uh, she's like the stuff that, that I was talking to her about all those years ago, she's like, now she said it's like finally clicking to her, and she remembered those things that, that I was kinda like pushing for- Pushing for and
[00:11:16] Katherine: challenging Oh, the seeds that you planted.
[00:11:17] Mike: Yeah. Yeah. All the things that I like, you know-
[00:11:19] Katherine: Mm ...
[00:11:19] Mike: always try to push for. It finally started clicking for her, and she realized that. She actually wrote that to, like, uh, that to me also in, uh, in a message. But she al- she told me this, um, on the phone and she said, "Yeah, I realize, like, uh, what you were pushing for and, like, I fucked up," you know?
[00:11:37] Katherine: Did she apologize?
[00:11:39] Mike: Um, no, she didn't say like, "I'm sorry." Like, she just said, like she said, "I fucked up." Like, uh-
[00:11:46] Katherine: Mm ... "
[00:11:46] Mike: I made a mistake. I shouldn't have like, uh-
[00:11:52] I guess we shouldn't have broke up Yeah, behaved the way we should have. Yeah.
[00:11:56] Katherine: Okay. Yeah. How do you feel about that?
[00:12:01] Mike: I don't know. I
[00:12:03] Toliy: mean- Yeah, well, well, that's what I
[00:12:04] Katherine: call- No, wait, wait, I want, I wanna like,
[00:12:06] Toliy: uh- The, the, uh, the, uh- I'd like to know ... the chickens is not the only thing that Kat is trying to put in the coop to- Yeah ... to, to the...
[00:12:11] Mike: Yeah.
[00:12:13] Katherine: Fill me in on the joke.
[00:12:15] Eldar: Guys, I found-
[00:12:17] Katherine: Wait, wait, wait. Mike didn't- Yeah. Oh.
[00:12:20] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:12:20] Katherine: Like, how do you feel about this, Mike?
[00:12:21] Eldar: I need a break off the heat. Off the heat, yeah. No, look, he, he turned up, obviously. Yes. Right? He turned up. He's like, holy shit. He lit up. Yeah. Right? Like a Christmas tree.
[00:12:32] Katherine: But, like, why are you telling us?
[00:12:33] Eldar: Oh, I can say it. Yeah, I got- But he's not telling it like the way he told me the, what I went through with it.
[00:12:37] Katherine: Right. With him. I know you guys had conversations.
[00:12:39] Mike: Yes.
[00:12:39] Katherine: I, yeah. You know? Was it the
[00:12:40] Eldar: same feeling when you
[00:12:41] Katherine: found the first egg- But I wanna know Mike's feelings on this ... egg in the chicken
[00:12:43] Eldar: coop?
[00:12:43] Mike: Yes.
[00:12:44] Eldar: He was buzzing.
[00:12:45] Mike: I was definitely buzzing, yeah.
[00:12:46] Katherine: Okay.
[00:12:46] Mike: All right. Because obviously one of the best things you like to hear from somebody is, like, something that, like, you fully, like I fully believe in, which is the most, like- Yeah
[00:12:55] the most important thing.
[00:12:56] Harris: Yeah.
[00:12:56] Mike: To hear somebody say that, and to say that to you, it's crazy. Like, how are you not supposed to get, like, uh, excited about that, you know?
[00:13:03] Katherine: Mm-hmm.
[00:13:04] Mike: So yeah, of course I got excited. It's like,
[00:13:06] Katherine: uh- So do, do, do you feel like, like those feelings that you had for her, like, still there?
[00:13:10] Like, you felt right away, like, those feelings? No.
[00:13:12] Mike: Or are
[00:13:12] Katherine: you just-
[00:13:12] Mike: No, no, no. It was, like, more excitement, you know? Okay. But no, the feelings are not there because, like, I think I've matured, you know, over these past probably four years or so. Yeah. You know?
[00:13:22] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:13:22] Mike: And I'm... The excitement was, like, uh, it was, it was quick.
[00:13:27] Katherine: Mm-hmm.
[00:13:27] Mike: You know? And I was in a vulnerable place at the time because I was, like, uh, very tired. I had very bad sleep, so I was definitely, like, more maybe emotional and, uh, you know, compromised. So it definitely hit me hard, and I wasn't able to, like, you know... I definitely got excited, you know?
[00:13:44] Katherine: Okay.
[00:13:44] Mike: Hearing that stuff.
[00:13:46] Katherine: Okay.
[00:13:47] Eldar: Yeah. So then we went into talking, like, how interesting the, this phenomena is about when you spread the seeds out there, you plant the seeds, right? They're necessarily not, they won't sprout right away. It takes time over time for people to understand something, to click something, to really, like, hone in on something.
[00:14:05] And then, you know, but life the way it's made, or the way this, you know, God made this, right, it's, um, everything is right. So where people always will gravity towards the truth. No matter how slow or how hard it might be, they'll slowly inch away towards that, you know? And I was like, holy shit. When he was telling me all this, right?
[00:14:25] Mike: Mm-hmm.
[00:14:26] Eldar: I was like, holy shit. Because the synchronicity of what I'm about to tell you right now is crazy. Okay? As he's telling me this, like, oh, look what's going on. I have something in my back pocket that I was like, oh, wow. And without the further ado, because Toliy's getting nervous right now, I'm gonna play this for you.
[00:14:45] Denis: Yo, what's up, brother? I bet this was not on your poly market spread for-
[00:14:51] Eldar: Put it on ...
[00:14:51] Denis: who you're gonna get a message from on this Sunday evening, right? The odds on that one Would have been pretty high. Cash out would have been good. Um, so look, bro, I just wanted to, uh, send you a voice note here. You know, I'm trying to turn over a new leaf, make short voi-voice notes and messages, but probably gonna fail.
[00:15:07] I always go too long. So bear with me. I'll try my best to condense it a little bit here. So reason I'm reaching out, bro, um
[00:15:19] Uh, couple, in the last couple days just been some, some things have hit me in terms of my thoughts, in terms of some, some, some new thoughts, some new kinda conclusions or, um, feelings, right? Um, you know, last time we saw each other December twenty twenty-four, almost two years ago. Kinda the conclusion with the podcast situation and all that stuff, that was December twenty twenty-three, so almost three years ago.
[00:15:47] And, you know, in the past, these two years, this was, like, this was not on the agenda at all. It was zero percent that I would've sent a message or anything like this after, you know, we had our meeting and, you know, that was what it was. Uh, but in the last few days, I mean, it's, uh, you know, I just decided that I wanna, I wanna reach out.
[00:16:04] So let me get to the point here. Um, I wanna kinda tell you directly, right? So I don't, uh, BS between the lines. Um, I feel like I owe it to our history and to our friendship to reach out, um, about what I'm asking about.
[00:16:27] Um, even if my pride doesn't like it or I feel uncomfortable about it, which I do. But, uh, I just said, "Fuck it, I gotta, I gotta do it." I was gonna call you, uh, 'cause knowing you, you probably would've, you know, I would've texted you, and you probably would've picked up, or you probably would've said, "All right," or whatever.
[00:16:44] You always like a good surprise, surprise call from one of the, you know, s- uh, special, special friends, you know? Um, but I actually said, "Fuck it," because I realized that I would, I would be actually, like, disrespecting the integrity of who you are and kind of based on what request I'm about to ask, like, uh, who you are in your structure and who you actually are, which is your unit, your podcast, your office, your friends.
[00:17:16] You know, my old friends, of course. Toliy, Mike, everybody, your wife, everybody, the office, your dogs. I would be disrespecting that integrity by doing what I usually l- like to do historically, is pull you one-on-one and extract whatever I wanna extract, um, you know, in the interaction. Uh, so I actually said, "Fuck it."
[00:17:39] Uh, that would, that would only be helping me, but not helping the, the point of what I'm doing here. Uh, and so I just wanna send you a voice note. Run, run something by you here, and then we'll see what you, what you and the gang think. Um, I wanna do... The, the request proposition is, uh, I wanna do a reunion podcast.
[00:18:01] So the man behind the Dennis Rock's name coming back for, for one, one shebang, you know? Um, first time in three years, you know? So, uh, obviously, you know, to, to, to discuss... To not, to not air our grievances. This was not... You know, I know our last meeting, I realized that- I didn't really have a proper intention on that meeting.
[00:18:26] I only realized that like just now recently. You kept asking, I don't know if you remember all this stuff, of course, but you kept asking like, uh, "What are we here for? What are we here for?" And I just want-- I just kept ignore-- like I kept like bullying through. I wanted to get through my points and my grievances and kinda, and, and that's it.
[00:18:42] And then you stood on, of course, stood on your stuff, and I stood on mine and, you know, we got nowhere because the answer to that question was, was simple, right? The answer to that question, I can answer it now, was... I mean, it was back then it was a cry for help, right? Um, just like after the, the name and the picture shit as well, even though, you know, I tried to do all that as respectfully as possible back then, back in twenty twenty-three.
[00:19:10] But nonetheless, of course, that was also a, a cry for help, obviously, uh, quote-unquote, right? Meaning that I wanted, um, I wanted you to engage in that and, and, and, and help me, so to speak. But that's, that's a story for, for, for discussing and whatever. That's, that's a deeper topic. But long story short, there was no, no clear intent, especially with that last meeting.
[00:19:35] I got all my points across. I stood by on my, my points. You stood on yours and then, and that was it. You know? And you stood on your flow and, and that was it. And, and what I didn't do is I should have answered that question, or I should have said it in the beginning. I should have said, "Hey, um, what are we here for?
[00:19:51] I'll answer you." And I would have told you that, you know, "Well, we're here because, uh, I wanna see if there's a possibility, uh, to, for this friendship to heal," right? "To, to fix whatever happened," right? That would have been the answer back then. And I am here, right? If I was to continue that, I am here to, to discuss with you.
[00:20:10] I, I have my thoughts on it and on the recent events, whatever it was, right? Back then. Uh, but the intent is to get to a point of a positive outcome that we fix this shit. But I never said that, right? Because I wanted-- Uh, my pride was too big and I didn't wanna say that. And, and of course, you probably knew that, but you, you're you obviously, so you weren't gonna give an inch on any of that.
[00:20:37] Um, but long story short, here I'm s- I'm trying to send that intent. Again, blyat, it's fucking six minutes into this shit already. I just cannot make it short. So the intent here is similar, right? Um, I gotta Like a, a hole we could call it, right? If you remember back then when that meeting I said I had, like something didn't feel right.
[00:21:00] I actually went back and, uh, took two hours and I put in, there's a transcript button on Apple Podcasts of your podcast, the Dennis Rocks! podcast. And I put in my name, and every time I put in my name I could go through all the episodes and then click and see the convos. I got some responses to some of the things, you know.
[00:21:21] Kat's throwing me in to, you know, in the group of Evita and, uh, fucking Nate. You know what I mean? That we're just, uh, what was the word? Vic-victim, victimhood, victimhood people. I, you know, I, I feel a certain type of way about that. You know what I mean? Damn, I'm, I'm in, I'm in that, I'm in that pool, you know.
[00:21:40] But uh, you know, I listened to a lot of the stuff and some of the obviously wasn't, uh, too, too good to hear, right? 'Cause obviously it was about, you know, nobody likes to listen. That's why I didn't wanna continue editing the podcast, 'cause you know, listening to somebody talking about you and you can't say anything is not like a good feeling.
[00:21:56] Especially if they're like kinda like picking on your shit or whatever. You know, and you guys, over the years, I s- I heard some, you know, I was able to click on the moments, see the transcript and play it, and then I would hear the snippet of the, of the conversation. And uh, yeah, even th- things that you said after our meetings and stuff, you know.
[00:22:15] So, uh, different, different points that, you know you guys had a perspective on, but the point of what I'm saying is that I'm wanting to do a reunion episode, not to continue the airing out of grievances. You know what I mean? Because it's like that shit is dead. You know what I mean? It
[00:22:32] Mike: is what it is.
[00:22:32] Denis: Obviously, we would, we would in that format discuss things, and obviously go back into certain things, and I have no problem with that. But the intent, right, is what I'm trying to get to. The intent is to see if there's a, a way for-
[00:22:46] Eldar: Too far back? -
[00:22:47] Denis: for this to, you know, as you like to say, all the bees come back to the hive.
[00:22:50] No. You know, your terminology, right? For- No ... for lack of a better-
[00:22:53] Eldar: All the
[00:22:54] Denis: bees ... you know, thing. Um, maybe not. Maybe it's not... Maybe that's not even in your, you know, uh, realm, you know, for you, for the, for the homies, you know. And I miss you guys. I'll, I'll keep it, keep it, you know... This, this is definitely-- I can't, I can't imagine me just a couple of days ago, you know, saying any of this, but, you know, I'm being honest.
[00:23:13] I miss you guys, you know, and, uh, you know, I took a few years. I had my journey. I had to become a man and go through my, you know, becoming a man bar mitzvah journey, you know. But, um, you know, there's, there's some realizations, some things, some thoughts, some, some growth that probably, I think, happened, right?
[00:23:33] Um, that maybe there's a possibility that we are able to kind of, uh, reunite here to discuss, right? At the very least to discuss on your format, on your podcast, to see kind of what happens, you know. Uh, so that's my, that's my proposition. Um, if that's not something that you or the, or the guys are, are interested in, you know, I, I will respect that.
[00:24:00] I understand it's also been a number of years and, you know, uh, we all, we all live in our life and, you know, maybe that's not, that's not something that's You know, on the agenda. But nonetheless, I feel like I owed it to our friendship, to our history, 'cause you did. You mean... You meant a lot to me. You were a big, big part of my life, big part of my history growing up, from 15-year-old shithead all the way through my teens and 20s.
[00:24:26] And, um, I just think there was a little bit of obviously a, a... If I look at it now, it's like the year 2022, 2023 was like a, like a stain, right? 12 years, which by the way I heard you were also mentioning that, that you were, you guys were mocking my 12-year concept after that meeting. I heard it in the whatever, the second or third episode after that 2024 meeting.
[00:24:47] But, you know, there was a stain, a little bit of that. It was... And, and I kinda see the bigger picture of why that was, and it kinda makes sense. It is what it is, you know? Can't change time. Um, but yeah, bro, you know, just wanted to send this out. Wanted to send a voice note instead of a, a text message. Thank God it wasn't a text message.
[00:25:08] It would've been a long one. Um, let me know what you think, right? Hello to all the 37 people that are listening to this as well, that you just shared it with. Uh, but yeah, you know. If you're interested, I'm always available. I'm free any day of the week, whatever. I don't know when you guys... I'm assuming probably Friday or whatever you guys record.
[00:25:25] I don't know. But if that, uh, if you extend that invitation, I'll come through, and we can, you know, discuss obviously within the topic or the realm I'm assuming of, of friendship. I know you've touched on friendship plenty, but friendship and I guess, you know. It doesn't really matter what it is, but you know, friendship and friendships ending and how they break and what happens and rekindling friendships potentially, right?
[00:25:48] Or whatever the topic would be. Uh, we see, you know, see if you're interested in that, all right? Let me know. Thank you, bro.
[00:25:56] Eldar: Well.
[00:25:57] Mike: Wow.
[00:25:58] Eldar: Wow. I don't know.
[00:25:58] Katherine: That was unexpected.
[00:25:59] Mike: Yeah. You kept this in your pocket, man. That was good. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:26:02] Katherine: When did he reach out?
[00:26:04] Eldar: For some time. Um- Hmm ... well, you know how much I like surprises.
[00:26:08] Yes. W- without further ado. Yes. Yes. Please. I'm just joking. Will you still count this eye roll as my eye roll? I'm like, "
[00:26:16] Katherine: No way."
[00:26:16] Eldar: No way. No way. Um. No. Well, hold on. '
[00:26:18] Harris: Cause I'm at my breaking, breaking point,
[00:26:21] Katherine: boy. No. I don't even understand what Harry has just said there.
[00:26:23] Eldar: Can you... Mike, can you bu- Yeah. Toliy, repeat what she, what
[00:26:27] Katherine: Harry
[00:26:27] Eldar: said.
[00:26:27] What did J- Harry just s- Harry- I think I'm on my b- Fucking breaking- I'm at my fucking breaking point, boy.
[00:26:29] Katherine: Oh. '
[00:26:30] Harris: Cause I'm at my breaking, breaking point, boy.
[00:26:32] Eldar: Can you believe this?
[00:26:33] Harris: That is crazy, yeah.
[00:26:34] Eldar: You're telling
[00:26:35] Katherine: me this- I mean, this is a big segue from Mike's
[00:26:37] Eldar: topic. It is a big... I know, I know. I'm sorry, Mike.
[00:26:38] Yeah, I thought you were gonna connect them. I,
[00:26:40] Katherine: I fucked it all up. Yeah. You, we
[00:26:40] Eldar: just like- No, but I think it's a connection. But it's a connection. What we
[00:26:42] Katherine: wanted to talk about. We just kind of-
[00:26:43] Eldar: Yeah ...
[00:26:44] Katherine: drove over his- It's a connection, for
[00:26:45] Eldar: sure.
[00:26:45] Katherine: Okay.
[00:26:45] Eldar: It's a crazy connection. Yeah. Right?
[00:26:47] Katherine: Yeah, yeah. Unexpected,
[00:26:48] Eldar: uh- Unexpected connection, where I'm like, "Yo-
[00:26:50] Katherine: Yeah
[00:26:50] Eldar: what the fuck?" My head was blown when you were telling me this shit, and I'm sitting on that. Yeah. Like, you know, I was like, "
[00:26:55] Katherine: Wow." That's crazy. Yeah, I'm surprised.
[00:26:56] Eldar: Yeah. So- Interesting.
[00:27:00] Toliy: Right,
[00:27:01] Katherine: Toliy? Interesting.
[00:27:01] Eldar: Interesting. Interesting. Right, Toliy?
[00:27:02] Toliy: Yeah.
[00:27:02] Eldar: Brother Toliy, what you got? Brother,
[00:27:03] Katherine: Brother Toliy. What,
[00:27:05] Toliy: what do I got?
[00:27:06] I mean, uh...
[00:27:07] Eldar: He stomped a kid. He's gotta
[00:27:08] Toliy: go- No,
[00:27:09] Eldar: I- Why? Yeah, yeah. You gotta go lay down in
[00:27:10] Toliy: bed. No, on, on, like what? Like- No, I mean- Like, am, am I surprised? No.
[00:27:15] Eldar: You're not surprised?
[00:27:15] Toliy: No.
[00:27:16] Eldar: Three years later.
[00:27:17] Toliy: Yeah. No.
[00:27:18] Katherine: I, I can't believe- I'm not surprised ... it's, uh, it's been three years.
[00:27:20] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:27:20] Toliy: No,
[00:27:21] Katherine: I'm not surprised at all.
[00:27:21] Wow. Time flies. Three years. Yeah.
[00:27:22] Eldar: It's been three years. Yes. I also was like when, when I heard that first, I was like, I was in the middle of Counter-Strike, playing Counter-Strike.
[00:27:27] Katherine: Mm.
[00:27:28] Eldar: This was probably, like 11:00 already. You were probably sleeping already.
[00:27:31] Katherine: Mm.
[00:27:31] Eldar: I'm playing and I'm, doom, and I'm like, "Wait, what the fuck?"
[00:27:34] Who is this guy? You know, "Who, who this?" You know? Yeah. And then it's a long-ass message. I'm like, "Oh, shit. Okay." Oh, I know who it is.
[00:27:40] Katherine: Okay.
[00:27:40] Eldar: So I started listening to it. I was like, "Wow." Yeah. Mm. And then he said three years. I was like, "Holy shit. It's been that long?" Yeah.
[00:27:45] Katherine: You know what's interesting? That throughout the message-
[00:27:47] Eldar: Yeah
[00:27:48] Katherine: I, I wasn't clear on whether he wanted, uh, to come back to have this conversation on the podcast to re- try to rekindle the friendship or to hold court. Mm. Because, like, even though he said, like, he brought it up a few times, like there's no point- Yeah ... he still brought those things up- Yeah ... in a way.
[00:28:05] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:28:05] Katherine: So it's a... I'm unclear, like, like, does he, like, wanna have a conversation about all the things that we said, like, kind
[00:28:11] Eldar: of hold court with us? Well, the good thing is, the good thing is you can ask him straight up, you know what I mean?
[00:28:14] Katherine: Yes.
[00:28:16] Eldar: Yeah. Um-
[00:28:19] Katherine: Yeah. That's interesting.
[00:28:21] Eldar: Yeah, no, I mean, like, he reiterated, he's like, "Look, uh, he..."
[00:28:24] I think that, I think that, yeah, he, I mean, he just said it came to him just now, which is very interesting. Mm. Right? That he had three years to reflect now, and is like, "Yo, I didn't understand what my intention was back then." Mm. Mm. Like, he was airing out the grievances, which, which I was already ready to have the real conversation right there and then, which I thought that he was gonna have.
[00:28:42] Toliy: Mm-hmm.
[00:28:43] Eldar: But then he came with the checklist, with the box-checking shit. Yes. You know what I mean?
[00:28:46] Toliy: Mm.
[00:28:47] Eldar: Where it's like, all, like, he was accusing me of all this, like, wrongdoings and bad friendships. So I'm like, "All right, well, like, what do you want from me?"
[00:28:53] Toliy: Yeah.
[00:28:53] Eldar: Like, "What do you want from me to do?" Like, what, like, you know?
[00:28:55] Yeah. "Sounds like we're not compatible." Mm. That's what I told him. He remembers this. Um, and we just went our separate ways, because there was, like, there was no answer. He said that. He's like, "Yo, I just- Not to
[00:29:04] Katherine: add another dagger, but- Three, but yeah ... to, to Dennis, but that, that what you just described there- Yeah
[00:29:09] reminds me a lot of the Nate situation at the time.
[00:29:11] Eldar: Yeah
[00:29:11] Katherine: Where it was like, you know, like, "You're a bad friend."
[00:29:16] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:29:16] Katherine: Right? The accusation. Yeah. So then like, what are you, like, what are you doing here then- Yeah ... if I'm a bad friend?
[00:29:20] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:29:21] Katherine: Right?
[00:29:22] Eldar: Yeah. That's what it was. That's what that was for me. But he said three years later it came to him as like, oh- Mm
[00:29:27] because you kept asking me. That was one of my one question, important question I was like- Yeah ... "Yo, you remember, right?" I remember this. We went through the whole thing- Yes ... where like, like, "Yo, like, then okay, then what are we doing? Like, what do you want? Like, this sounds like- Yeah ... a toxic, bad relationship.
[00:29:37] Like, we should stay away
[00:29:38] Katherine: from each other." Yeah. Yeah. Like, if I'm a bad friend, then like- Yeah, then for what? ... obviously you don't wanna be my friend.
[00:29:41] Eldar: Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
[00:29:42] Katherine: That's what I went through as well.
[00:29:43] Eldar: Yeah. You know? But obviously he went through whatever he went through, and he's got a whole story to tell.
[00:29:48] Katherine: Mm.
[00:29:48] Eldar: You know what I mean? Yeah. So I wanted you guys to hear it. That's sick. Did you talk to him more, a little bit?
[00:29:53] Katherine: Well, it's definitely surprising.
[00:29:54] Eldar: Yeah, I, I mean, we chatted a little bit. Okay.
[00:29:56] Katherine: Yeah, so. Oh, you did, you spoke with him?
[00:29:58] Eldar: Well, no, not like, not like- You responded
[00:29:59] Mike: to him.
[00:29:59] Eldar: No, on, just, just text mes- just, just- Yeah
[00:30:01] text messages, yeah.
[00:30:01] Katherine: Mm.
[00:30:02] Eldar: Okay.
[00:30:02] Katherine: Okay.
[00:30:03] Eldar: Yeah. Pretty sick. Sick, right? Yeah. Yeah. Toliy. Mm. What you got? Why do
[00:30:12] Katherine: you keep on pressing Toliy? On what though?
[00:30:13] Eldar: Like, on, like, what are you- On the phenomena of, like, what we just talked about before, before the message,
[00:30:18] Mike: like- So this was, uh, I just looked it up. Uh-huh. November 2021- For you
[00:30:22] is, is when I went with her, um, on the tr- on the vacation. Yeah. So
[00:30:25] Katherine: around, like- Where, where did you guys go? DR.
[00:30:29] Mike: DR. Yeah.
[00:30:29] Katherine: Why do I not have a memory of this one? Yeah, but like, uh, what, so
[00:30:31] Toliy: like, what do you, what do you mean? On, like, the topic of what?
[00:30:33] Eldar: You, you missed the topic?
[00:30:34] Toliy: No. No, like- The topic that- You were asking me, like, what do you, what do you- What do
[00:30:37] Eldar: you think about this phenomena?
[00:30:38] The, I think the phenomena is an interesting, where, right, where it's like we think that sometimes we're on the same page and we have friendships, we have th- these- Mm-hmm ... relationships, right? Yeah. Interpersonal relationships, right? But maybe we're not. And then when we separate, right, I guess there, there's a time buffer and there's- Yeah
[00:30:54] reflection points where people get to sit with it a little bit- Okay ... and reflect and think about... Like, just like Catherine has her things with Avita, for example, that are, she's probably sitting with some stuff.
[00:31:03] Toliy: Okay.
[00:31:04] Eldar: You know what I mean? And obviously this girl, Polina, she was sitting with some stuff, right?
[00:31:08] Maybe Dennis, sitting with some stuff, right? Okay. Mm-hmm. And, like, people sit with stuff. And over time, right, I mean, it's like, it's growth, it's, uh... Yeah, I mean, I, you, I know you don't believe in this kind of stuff where, like- Yeah ... you usually kind of rule people out.
[00:31:19] Toliy: Well, it, it, it's- You know? ... it's not that I, I rule people out.
[00:31:23] It's just that, like, again, I, it's, it's, it's like when, when we were talking about the English language- Mm-hmm ... that it's, you know, it's very simple.
[00:31:33] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:31:33] Toliy: But because it's very simple-
[00:31:35] Eldar: Yeah ...
[00:31:35] Toliy: it's also, it makes it very complicated as well.
[00:31:38] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:31:39] Toliy: You know? Um, so- Yeah, when people say particular things, uh, yeah, I'm like, to this stuff I'm extremely, extremely skeptical because I also know that, like, someone can say some words-
[00:31:54] Eldar: Yeah
[00:31:54] Toliy: and to you, your standard of what that word or what that phrase or what that sentence means is one thing, and to the other person it's potentially some- something else.
[00:32:03] Eldar: Okay. But- But would you not be interested to find out whether or not the change is real? Like, to, to see whether or not that lines up actually by those definitions?
[00:32:11] Or are you just like, "Oh, no, that's just BS. It's just pain-based." Yeah. It's like-
[00:32:14] Toliy: Yeah, no, no ...
[00:32:15] Eldar: it's an outcry.
[00:32:16] Toliy: No, I mean, like, like you could, I guess, if you have a, like, a desire for it.
[00:32:20] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:32:21] Toliy: You know? Um, but yeah, like a, yeah, like-
[00:32:26] Eldar: You don't have a desire for it?
[00:32:27] Toliy: Um, do I have a desire for it?
[00:32:31] Eldar: You don't have... I think that was rhetorical.
[00:32:33] Toliy: What, to, like, find out?
[00:32:34] Eldar: Yeah. Well, what, what else?
[00:32:36] Toliy: Well, find out what?
[00:32:38] Eldar: Well, I mean, clearly at least with Dennis's thing, right? Like, well, Mike says thing, like- Yeah, what they have to say ... what they have to say. Yeah. Like- Yeah ... I mean, it's very interesting, right? Because, like, like that's what- I mean,
[00:32:46] Mike: yeah, like when a person comes back and says that, you, you wanna hear, like, did they transform?
[00:32:50] And if you do, I mean, I mean, that's great to hear. Yeah.
[00:32:53] Denis: Mm-hmm.
[00:32:53] Mike: That's an amazing thing to hear from somebody that- Yeah.
[00:32:56] Eldar: Yeah ...
[00:32:56] Mike: you knew for some time. You, you know, like, I guess in Dennis's case, planted some seeds. You invested in the person's life. Try to help him navigate life and to see if it finally clicked for him, so he's living a good life, or he's
[00:33:09] Eldar: still- Or a better life
[00:33:10] Mike: or a better life,
[00:33:11] Eldar: yeah. Yeah, like-
[00:33:12] Mike: I mean,
[00:33:12] Eldar: that's
[00:33:12] Mike: interesting ...
[00:33:13] Eldar: you know, because, I mean, obviously because there was clearly a difference-
[00:33:17] Mike: Yeah ...
[00:33:17] Eldar: right? And people stood on what they stood, like he said. He's like, "I stood on mine. You stood on yours."
[00:33:21] Mike: Yeah.
[00:33:22] Eldar: You know? Um, but there's a difference, and the difference is clear, you know?
[00:33:27] Mike: Mm-hmm.
[00:33:28] Toliy: Yeah, but, uh, but also in, like, in what he said, it, like, it doesn't sound like, like I didn't get the, like, "Hey," like, "you were right this whole time." Like, "I was completely off," and like- Yeah,
[00:33:37] Katherine: I didn't get that either ...
[00:33:39] Toliy: like-
[00:33:39] Katherine: That's why I made my comment ...
[00:33:40] Toliy: if I, if I hear it- So it will be
[00:33:41] Eldar: interesting to find
[00:33:41] Toliy: out
[00:33:41] if, if I hear that, then to me it's like it feels a little bit differently. But to me, this was more of like, um, like, I just wanna be your friend type thing.
[00:33:52] Eldar: Mm.
[00:33:53] Katherine: Yeah, I didn't hear like a, "Hey," you know, "I'm sorry."
[00:33:55] Toliy: Yeah, like I, like- You know? ... like that. And even if somebody says that, then I'm also still never, I, I, I just feel like I have this type of, like, standard because, like, I have this, like, vivid picture as to like, um- How difficult it actually is to transform- Mm
[00:34:13] and to change things about yourself, and for that to actually happen, like, it, it is so, like, mind-boggling, like, diff- difficult, you know? Mm-hmm. So for me, when I hear others say or use, you know, like, phra- phrases like that, um, and, and, like, for me it's like I know how difficult it is and, like, um, I feel like I'm, I'm in a constant position of, of being, you know, challenged by others and, like, you know, I've been learning for a long time, you know?
[00:34:46] Yeah. And it's still, like, extremely, extremely difficult and, like, extremely, extremely challenging.
[00:34:53] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:34:54] Toliy: And I also know what we have to offer as a group when it comes to, um, that level of, of challenge and, like, um, uh-
[00:35:04] Eldar: Well, he said- And, like- He clearly said he missed us though, that's the thing, and I think that what is being missed is that exactly thing.
[00:35:09] Toliy: Well, I'm not sure if it's that exact thing, you know? Um- Yeah.
[00:35:14] Eldar: Yeah. All right, well, let's ask him.
[00:35:17] Katherine: Uh, for everyone listening, Dennis actually just walked into the office, onto the podcast. What up, Tate? How you doing?
[00:35:23] Denis: Chilling, man. Oh,
[00:35:24] Katherine: Kat, how you
[00:35:25] Denis: doing? Hi.
[00:35:26] Katherine: Hello.
[00:35:27] Denis: How are you? Good to see
[00:35:28] Brother Toliy intro: you. Nice to see you too.
[00:35:29] Denis: Dennis,
[00:35:29] Katherine: don't- It's been a long time ... touch anything or anything. I actually just realized- I'm, I'm not- ... during- It's probably good. Yeah, yeah, all right ... listening to your voice note that it's been three years. Yeah, it's been three years. I'm shocked. I can't believe it. It's been
[00:35:38] Denis: a while, yeah. I'm, I'm glad my, my
[00:35:40] Katherine: You're still here.
[00:35:43] You're still here.
[00:35:44] Denis: Yeah.
[00:35:44] Mike: Uh, all right, cool. So h- Did you, did you know or no? Well, you did, you did- Hold on. I'm live? ... you did push Kat to come today, so but now I guess that makes sense
[00:35:52] Eldar: why. I, I... I mean, look, when she's like, "I, I wanna come for the pod today," I'm like, "Oh, you definitely-" Yeah ... "wanna come for the pod today."
[00:35:56] Mike: Yeah, this one he definitely didn't wanna miss.
[00:35:57] Katherine: No, it's funny. Yeah, this one he wanted. I, I really did wanna, wanna come. I- He's like, "How, how do I disarm Toliy?" I was sober all this week. Disarm? Yeah,
[00:36:04] Eldar: Toliy, I see him.
[00:36:06] Toliy: Oh, he's bringing the- I brought the
[00:36:07] Eldar: bread ... pecan.
[00:36:08] Toliy: He's
[00:36:08] Eldar: bringing
[00:36:08] Toliy: the, uh, what's that? Six foot one.
[00:36:09] Katherine: Wait, what the heck? Where- Sub- subway sandwich ... where did he go?
[00:36:11] Toliy: You opened it? He came in the
[00:36:12] Eldar: subway.
[00:36:12] Toliy: Wait, he actually said that? How, how, "How do I disarm him?" "
[00:36:15] Eldar: How do I disarm him?" Yeah. I left the thing running,
[00:36:17] Katherine: yeah. Oh. Where'd he go? You know, it's funny. I'll be, I'll be very honest. As, as Dennis is walking in, I'm thinking to my mi- in my mind, I'm thinking, "Friend or foe?"
[00:36:26] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:36:27] Katherine: Not because, like, on my end it feels that way, but, like, I don't know, uh- He
[00:36:31] Eldar: came, brought a gun ...
[00:36:32] Katherine: like, how, how he's-
[00:36:34] Eldar: I went, I went, followed
[00:36:34] Katherine: through ... how, like, where he's at, you know?
[00:36:36] Eldar: Yeah, but no, you know, if, if you, if you were gonna die- Especially- ... if, but you get- Because, like- ... you get, you get killed by, like, a, like, a- Bro
[00:36:42] you know, a stab in the back, like, kind of thing, like, you know, that's, like, the best way to go, I think.
[00:36:45] Katherine: No,
[00:36:45] Eldar: ba- You know what I'm saying? Like- No ... let's, let's stop talking like that ... I, I, I, like, if Tommy kills
[00:36:49] Toliy: you, yeah. The person who will not press charges is Tommy.
[00:36:49] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:36:51] Katherine: Yeah. But yeah, like, I don't know.
[00:36:52] Like, you know, we have our perception of, of- Yeah ... what has happened, and we've- Yeah, but, uh, but yeah ... discussed it. Obviously, he's heard our opinion.
[00:36:58] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:36:58] Katherine: But, like, now he's walking in with his own perception- Yeah ... and, like, like, uh, you know.
[00:37:03] Eldar: Interesting. I told Toliy that, uh, if Toliy continues to talk his shit, he's gonna get killed by...
[00:37:07] Like, he's gonna be, like, a martyr.
[00:37:08] Toliy: Yeah.
[00:37:09] Eldar: You know what I'm saying?
[00:37:10] Toliy: He, he probably will.
[00:37:11] Katherine: Okay, this is getting a little dark. As
[00:37:12] Eldar: long as whoever
[00:37:13] Toliy: kills me
[00:37:14] Eldar: hires Tom to do it . Yeah. Then,
[00:37:16] Toliy: then I'm fine.
[00:37:17] Eldar: Yes, yeah.
[00:37:18] Katherine: Hi,
[00:37:18] Eldar: Dennis. Yeah, I'm, I'm gonna set up the mic, and you don't touch the mic because, you know, as you know, I'm a, I'm a pro at this now, okay?
[00:37:23] Yeah. So- The,
[00:37:24] Denis: the previous sound guy was pretty bad ... old man got retired out of here. You
[00:37:27] Katherine: know what I mean?
[00:37:28] Denis: Yeah. What's, what's going on over here, though? This, this guy.
[00:37:31] Katherine: That's funny. That- Yeah ... that, that was just, uh- No, no, he wasn't ...
[00:37:35] Denis: that's just a coincidence ... himself. Yeah. That was not me. I wasn't gonna ride, like, Joe Rogan's coattails.
[00:37:36] No, no way. You can ride without me. Uh, cool. You
[00:37:38] Eldar: know, like-
[00:37:39] Denis: Yeah. No, it's not that. You know, I'm a particular kind of guy, you know? Your
[00:37:42] Eldar: ear is much better that way.
[00:37:43] Denis: All right, cool. That's it. All right. You know, say no more. Don't
[00:37:45] Eldar: touch anymore, and you're good to go.
[00:37:47] Denis: How you guys doing?
[00:37:48] Katherine: Surprise.
[00:37:49] Denis: Yeah. How we doing?
[00:37:50] Katherine: 'Cause we just heard your voice note, and then you, you know, we discuss it- Oh, no ... and then you walk in. Yeah. So we're, like-
[00:38:12] Denis: speak to all kind of a thing. But whatever, anyways, doesn't matter.
[00:38:16] Eldar: Yeah, I just said to him right away, I was like, "Under one condition, I want it to be a surprise." Yeah. If you're gonna come, if you, you wanna come to the pod- Mm-hmm ... have a pod with us, it's gonna be a surprise for everyone. Yeah.
[00:38:24] Denis: I like surprises.
[00:38:24] Typically, you know, like, you gotta have a spin on it, you know?
[00:38:26] Katherine: Well, yeah. I, I never, I never figured that- Yeah ...
[00:38:28] Eldar: I'm surprised for each time. Plus, you, you, you also, I- there's one, one other reasons why I did that.
[00:38:31] Denis: Yeah.
[00:38:32] Eldar: And I think you would appreciate this one. Okay. Um, uh, doing it as a surprise, um, does not allow Toliy to put the gate on, put the lock on the gate.
[00:38:44] Yes. You know what I'm saying?
[00:38:45] Denis: Oh, that's what I'm, that's why I didn't wanna do that.
[00:38:48] Eldar: Okay.
[00:38:48] Denis: If you heard, you heard what I said. I
[00:38:50] Eldar: said, you know- No, no, my surprise is a good thing
[00:38:52] Denis: Yeah, but I wanted the gate
[00:38:53] Eldar: Oh, you wanted the gate It would've been
[00:38:54] Denis: in my advantage-
[00:38:55] Eldar: All right, then Toliy can bring out the gate.
[00:38:56] Okay, Toliy, you're
[00:38:57] Denis: allowed. Yeah. It would've been in my... Am I yelling or is it fine?
[00:39:00] Eldar: No, you're perfect. You know. That's the thing. That's why if you had the headphones,
[00:39:02] Denis: you'd know. Yeah, it would've been in my advantage to, to, to, for, you know, to not have the gate, but I- Mm-hmm ... in the midst of that voice note, I'm like, "Nah, I just gotta like," you know-
[00:39:10] Eldar: Oh, trust.
[00:39:10] Yeah, I'm trying to help you out. Yeah ... respect, respect
[00:39:12] Denis: your, your conglomerate.
[00:39:13] Eldar: My, my little, my wishes. That's what I'm
[00:39:15] Denis: saying.
[00:39:15] Eldar: My, my, uh- Yeah ... conditions. Yeah. All right, well, welcome. I appreciate it. You see, j- see, like, just like, uh, like we left off before, three years ago, right? That's
[00:39:22] Denis: it. Yeah. Three years. Can you believe it?
[00:39:22] Which, which is-
[00:39:23] Eldar: Time flies ... crazy, right? I can't
[00:39:24] Katherine: believe that. Wow. Is
[00:39:24] Eldar: it surreal
[00:39:25] Katherine: at all? That's unbelievable. It's pretty
[00:39:26] Eldar: sick.
[00:39:27] Katherine: I'm, I'm, I'm not gonna lie, I'm surprised that he reached out, but I just didn't, I had no idea all that time passed. Yeah.
[00:39:32] Eldar: Yeah. Because of Vida also here or no? Yeah, did you have a- Did you bring her,
[00:39:36] Katherine: everybody?
[00:39:36] Denis: Vida to the truck? No, I know all about... Well, I know roughly about that. Yeah, yeah. She reached out to us
[00:39:40] Eldar: at one point. She did. Oh, yeah. We, we figured that. Yeah. You pointed her to the pod?
[00:39:44] Denis: N- uh, yeah, I did.
[00:39:45] Eldar: You did.
[00:39:46] Denis: I did. I, 'cause I heard that episode. Yeah. I don't remember, I don't remember the timeline. The Phoenix episode.
[00:39:49] I had to ask Asli.
[00:39:50] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:39:50] Denis: Um, but I did, uh, uh, you know, at one point, I'll tell you about that. Yeah. I heard that, and then she was, uh, she was asking me que- asking Asli. She didn't talk to me. Yeah. She talked to Asli. And then I'm like, "Oh, I think they, you know, I think they discussed that." Chopped it up. But it's ve- everything is ve- she, she refused to, you know, no disrespect, I know that's your business.
[00:40:08] I don't know what. Uh, she refused, which is a good thing, I think. Out of respect she didn't... We're like, "What happened?" You know? Well,
[00:40:14] Katherine: I know somebody wanted to know. Yeah. That's you. Yeah. You
[00:40:17] Denis: wanna know, you
[00:40:18] Mike: know? Yeah.
[00:40:18] Denis: She was like, uh- So you went to the source ... she's like, "Yeah, I'll tell you in person." You went
[00:40:21] Mike: to the source.
[00:40:21] You went to the source, to the pod, to get, to get the- You came
[00:40:23] Katherine: to the pod to get the- Yeah, yeah, yeah ... get the-
[00:40:25] Denis: The hot goss No, she, she respected it. She was like, we like twice said like, "Yeah, just like, what happened?" Like, you know, and she- Yeah ... she's like, "No, that's, you know, will tell you in person," but we never saw her in person, so.
[00:40:34] Mm. That was, I think, a year ago. I'm not, I'm not sure of the timeline.
[00:40:37] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah, it was about a year ago. Yeah. So last December. I
[00:40:39] Denis: think so. Yeah. So.
[00:40:40] Eldar: Yeah, that was an interesting story, too, so if you, if you- Yeah,
[00:40:42] Denis: I'm a little bit hurt about that, you know? That's what I'm saying, you know? That's why he
[00:40:45] Katherine: came through.
[00:40:45] Denis: Cas threw me in with, with, uh, you know what I mean? With, uh, Vida's, but yeah, I guess, you know- Yeah ... it is
[00:40:50] Eldar: what it is. Yeah.
[00:40:51] Katherine: Yeah. Yeah. All right. I guess, like we, we all s- see it, you know, we all have a, a per- No, for sure ... a perception about it, you know?
[00:40:56] Denis: I, I get it. I get it. How you guys been before we jump in, you know?
[00:41:00] Yeah, yeah. Check my stuff.
[00:41:02] Mike: Yeah, no, we're, we've been
[00:41:03] Denis: fine, you know? You still look good, brother. Look at you, yo. Thank you, bro.
[00:41:05] Mike: Yeah,
[00:41:05] Denis: trying. Young, young, lean, and handsome over here.
[00:41:07] Mike: Trying, trying. Yeah.
[00:41:09] Denis: Yeah. All right. Well, so you heard the voice note, so I can skip the whole intro part.
[00:41:14] Eldar: Yes, yes. We heard the voice note.
[00:41:16] I'm not sitting in the car. You've said a lot.
[00:41:36] Denis: The topic
[00:41:37] Eldar: Oh, don't worry. We'll do well. Um,
[00:41:38] Denis: but I got, like, a general idea that I think- Yeah ... would explain why the hell I'm here.
[00:41:43] Eldar: Okay.
[00:41:43] Denis: You know?
[00:41:44] Eldar: Okay.
[00:41:44] Denis: Um-
[00:41:45] Eldar: We'd love to hear it, right, guys? Yeah, of course. Yeah. Especially Toliy.
[00:41:48] Denis: But we're live. We're live.
[00:41:48] Eldar: Yeah. We're, oh, we're- We're live. Hold on one second. Let me click that.
[00:41:51] Oh, wait.
[00:41:52] Denis: Yeah.
[00:41:52] Eldar: Not that one.
[00:41:52] Denis: Yo, T, if at any point you want me to leave, you let me know.
[00:41:55] Eldar: I'll let you know. Okay.
[00:41:56] Denis: I can r- I can call in, you know?
[00:41:58] Eldar: Just turn-
[00:41:59] Denis: Yeah.
[00:41:59] Eldar: I'll just pull the, uh, trigger on that
[00:42:01] Denis: thing. But we gotta take it like a... No matter what happens, you know what I mean? Like, we gotta take, like, an intermission, Easter tradition.
[00:42:04] Take a shot. You know what I mean? Like- Take a shot. Sure. Oh, wow. Are we live? Are we live? Oh, wow. Are we live?
[00:42:09] Eldar: We're live.
[00:42:10] Denis: All right. I used to... I can do this thing, you know?
[00:42:14] Eldar: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So 99 and down.
[00:42:16] Denis: What?
[00:42:17] Eldar: 99 and down episodes. Yeah.
[00:42:19] Denis: Uh, th- that's right, yeah. Right before I was
[00:42:21] Eldar: one- You know, right before- Oh, wow
[00:42:22] the 100- the 100th, you, you, you punked out on
[00:42:23] Denis: us. T- T- No, T banned me, you know? T said, "Why is it... There's no reason." You know what I mean?
[00:42:27] Eldar: Oh, like that.
[00:42:27] Denis: And I got upset.
[00:42:28] Eldar: I- He might, he might-- He was, he was picking up exactly where we left off. He's like, "What's the reason?"
[00:42:32] Denis: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Go ahead.
[00:42:34] All right, yeah. Uh, you know, I appreciate you guys having me, you know. Yeah. It's been a- Absolutely. Can't believe it's been three years. It's been a while, but-
[00:42:40] Eldar: Without whipping out a grenade out of your pocket, are you? Certainly. And that's, and that's the end, yeah. Guys are like, "
[00:42:45] Denis: Wait, what?" Yeah. Yeah. I, uh, you know.
[00:42:49] I, I, it's like, uh, you, you guys are unavoidable. You know, even just now, I pulled up to get the food and Letter Friend sticker's on the door of the restaurant. Everywhere. Uh, c- you know, just everywhere. Walking around, like, Ridgewood, taking my family out to, to, to eat at a, at a Korean spot in Ridgewood. Open the door, my face is on it.
[00:43:07] You know what I mean? Like, I tell the guy like, "Can you remove this for me?" We, we run this place. Like, "This is graffiti." He tries to remove it, he can't do it. Yeah. I come back a second time, I'm like, "Bro, this is still here." Yeah. Like, "You, you don't even know what this is. This could be graffiti." And he's like, "Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:43:20] Thank you. Thank you." And he still-- You, whatever you put on, he can't remove it.
[00:43:23] Eldar: Wow.
[00:43:23] Denis: You know? And that guy went out of business. I don't know
[00:43:25] Eldar: if you- Yeah. He did. So that's forever. Yeah. That's why it's
[00:43:27] Denis: forever, yeah. Crazy, yeah. That's crazy,
[00:43:28] Katherine: yeah.
[00:43:28] Denis: But anyways, um, yeah. So, uh, I think, I think i- if I was to kind of, um, uh, put it into a topic or whatever, uh, the topic would kind of be, like, seasons of li- I mean, I think I told you that, a little bit of that.
[00:43:45] That was my idea. Like, seasons of, um-
[00:43:47] Eldar: D- Let, let us do the heavy lifting with the topics. You just explain to, to your- Yeah ... why are you here.
[00:43:53] Denis: Yeah. Well, yeah. What, I, I'll just say that part. Like, what do you want? Yeah. Yeah. Is, um, um... Well, why, well, okay, I'll answer that. Yeah. Right. Like,
[00:44:00] Eldar: like I- You said, you said a lot, a lot of stuff
[00:44:01] Denis: Yeah.
[00:44:02] Like I said in the voice note- Yeah ... right, I, I think it's important for me to say it again, right, the intention, right? Yes. So there's no read between the lines, right? Yes. Obviously, it's been a, it's been a long time. We're all living our own lives and stuff. Um, uh, the intention is just a positive one, you know?
[00:44:15] Meaning, like, Positive James.
[00:44:17] Mike: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes.
[00:44:18] Denis: Um-
[00:44:18] Katherine: Positive James. He was just here. He was- He was? He was just here. Oh, he's
[00:44:21] Denis: back in the area?
[00:44:21] Katherine: We met his son.
[00:44:22] Denis: No, he's, he's, uh,
[00:44:23] Mike: he's one of the 37 listeners. Oh. Yes.
[00:44:25] Katherine: Thank you. He's one of the 30- No, like
[00:44:25] Denis: he was, he was on the podcast? I don't know.
[00:44:27] Katherine: He was on the podcast like two weeks ago.
[00:44:29] Denis: Oh. '
[00:44:29] Katherine: Cause he was here. But he's, he's-
[00:44:30] Denis: Yeah ... he's not around here no more.
[00:44:31] Mike: No. He's in
[00:44:32] Denis: Arizona, yeah. I didn't see him. Yeah,
[00:44:33] Katherine: he's back- Oh, that's right. You missed that part. Yeah, I
[00:44:34] Denis: tried. You missed that episode. I know he's in Arizona. Back then, he went to Arizona. Yeah. Well, anyways. Yeah
[00:44:44] The intention is, is, you know, see if we can, uh, heal wherever we left off at
[00:44:49] Mike: Mm-hmm ...
[00:44:49] Denis: uh, the, the, the relationship, the friendship. Um, that's the only intention, you know? And that's the hope, right? Mm. That I'm not coming here to, uh, air out grievances or to, you know, uh, go back and forth about, you know, the details of the ending and the fill-up.
[00:45:05] And then we can talk about anything, but I'm saying like- Yeah ... you know. Oh, sure. You felt how you felt. I hel- felt how I felt. Um, and I think there's a bigger picture to all of that. But, um, I'm, I'm not here to, to air out grievances. I'm just here to, you know, see if there's, you know, a possibility to kinda heal all this because, um, again, I'll be, I'll be raw, I'll be kind of, um, uh-
[00:45:27] Eldar: Honest
[00:45:28] Denis: honest. Yeah, like, um-
[00:45:29] Eldar: Vulnerable ...
[00:45:30] Denis: I've... That's why I'll go back to the seasons part. I've had a great season. A lot of great things have happened in these three years for me. But there was always, um, if you remember at that meeting, right, even though you mocked me, I heard that, uh, you mocked it later after, after the meeting, but there was like a, like a uneasiness feeling.
[00:45:47] Uh, especially after that party, you know, 'cause you, you know, you... It, it was like, it, it... After that party, it set that like y'all, like we, we're not boys anymore, you know? Yeah. And you kinda like stood that.
[00:45:55] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:45:55] Denis: Um, and- I have to be honest that for those three years, these three years, uh, there's definitely like, uh, like a emptiness, uh, like a hole, like something that, that never healed.
[00:46:09] And I stayed busy with, with life. Um, and so it wasn't... It, but, but it was something that would revisit me, you know, like once a month, once every two months, it would, like, hit me in the balls. Damn. Yeah. Like, l- almost like clockwork. You know? Little things like walking into a restaurant on a sunny day.
[00:46:28] Seeing my
[00:46:31] Toliy: face
[00:46:31] Denis: on the menu. Kidding me. Yeah. You know? Seeing my face. Yeah. You know? Um, you know, and just whatever. Just, it would be about, like, that one to two month mark. Every two months I would, I would kinda get, get hit in that, you know? Um, and yeah. So I'm here to kinda see if, if, uh, if I can heal that.
[00:46:46] Right? I guess if I was to speak from, like, a selfish place. But also, you know, if, if, uh, uh, you know, my old homies are interested in, in healing that, maybe together. I don't know, whatever that looks like. Mm. Because obviously we just left off on how we left off on. Uh, but yeah. So, so yeah. And, and yeah. So the, the concept is, uh, that I, that I, why I came to this conclusion is, uh, is, like, uh, the seasons of life.
[00:47:12] Actually, I got a p- uh, I saved, the last episode is a perfect intro. I'll finish this little spiel. I know, I know, yo, you know me, I still ramble, bro. You know what I mean? I ain't changed that part, no. He's listening, so he's, he's listening to every word. I know, but you know, he's always been like, "Yo,
[00:47:27] Katherine: hurry up, bro."
[00:47:27] You, you, you remember, like, uh, SpongeBob? What you say? You know? Five hours later.
[00:47:33] Denis: Yeah, yeah, that's right. About that, you know? It's like the SpongeBob thing. Three, I might take 10 years to change, you know what I mean? Yeah. Three years is two. Sorry. But he said, uh, something, um, that kinda nails what I'm talking about on the- Me?
[00:47:41] Yeah. I ri- I was listening, yo, I got- In the last
[00:47:43] Katherine: podcast?
[00:47:43] Denis: It's like I had an epiphany, bro. Yeah. I'm listening to you, I'm like, "Yo, this motherfucker makes sense." You know what I mean? Like- For once. Yeah. For once
[00:47:49] Eldar: only.
[00:47:50] Denis: Uh, so maybe I'll play it for just 60 seconds. It's very important I think, actually.
[00:47:53] Eldar: Oh, no, y- yeah, you'll have the chance to do that.
[00:47:55] Denis: Yeah. Um- Absolutely. But yeah, season- like the seasons of life and, and bridging the gap and how e- I mean, I wrote it down. I wish I, you- that's probably the, I'll just read one line that I wrote down- Mm-hmm ... so I don't kinda-
[00:48:05] Eldar: Yeah ...
[00:48:05] Denis: ramble for another six hours here. Um, bridging the gap between two different seasons, uh, and the identity crisis that takes place when you go from one season of your life to another.
[00:48:18] And I think that's what happened to me in the year 2022, 2023, um, which, you know, we've kinda broke up 2023, is I had this, like, identity crisis. I was going from Dennis with one N- One, one
[00:48:33] Toliy: point- To three Ns.
[00:48:35] Denis: To three, yeah. You know? And, and I didn't know it, it was, like, a unconscious thing, but the side effect of that was, um, I started being, I started resenting everything from that- Dennis 1.0 world
[00:48:49] Eldar: Hmm
[00:48:49] Denis: Because I, uh, blamed it for not becoming Dennis 2.0 yet
[00:48:53] Eldar: Hmm
[00:48:54] Denis: Uh, even though it was obviously only m- my doing, you know?
[00:48:57] For example, Dennis 1.0 was unsuccessful, 50 business ideas, BS'ing, relationship drama, you know, marrying strippers, all this stuff Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's actually- L- living in... You forgot about it. I got a couple. I forgot, I forgot. But, um- Living in cars and all this, you know- Mm ... just running, running craz- running amuck, you know?
[00:49:16] Yeah. That was your, that was your- Yes. And 2022, '23, I, I s- I started working here late 2021, October. Uh, so it's mainly '22 that I was here with you guys. And 2022, '23 was this kind of s- i- i- intermediary gap between my seasons that I didn't really know. Um, and as, and in that season I became more, like, rougher.
[00:49:38] I became more, like, 'cause there was, like, a desire to enter the next season, even though I didn't see it that way.
[00:49:44] Katherine: Hmm.
[00:49:45] Denis: But I started kind of battling all the things from my current existence. I started kind of resenting it, doubting it, ha- hating some parts of it, as I was, I guess, mentally preparing for that next season.
[00:49:58] Um, and the side effect of that was I kinda, you know- Shit got, you know, fucked up, you know, here where, you know, I kinda got in my emotions, got in my feelings, you know, like that whole, like, Phillip situation. But that was just, like, a branch, you know? I think you, looking back on it recently, I came to that meeting in almost two years ago in, in 2024 when we sat down at Miller's- Yeah
[00:50:22] and I was kinda shooting at the branches. I was like, "Yo, but that moment, but this, but why didn't you, you know, remove the name?" Or then, but I was ju- I asked disrespectfully, "
[00:50:31] Eldar: Why didn't you- I was very surprised that you came across like that.
[00:50:33] Denis: Yeah. And I was c- but then I realized you ke- you kept saying like, "Yo, why, why are we here?"
[00:50:37] You know? And I s- I took it there as kinda, like, rude 'cause I'm like, "Yo, bro, like, you know
[00:50:41] Eldar: me." Yeah. I was asking. I was, like, pulling your tongue, but you didn't wanna let it out.
[00:50:44] Denis: Yeah, yeah. Uh- So I
[00:50:45] Eldar: realized that there was no, there's no point of
[00:50:47] Denis: us being- Right, right, right ... like continuing. 'Cause I didn't have a p- I didn't have a point.
[00:50:49] Yeah. I just wanted to kinda air- Yeah ... it was all fast because it, it wa- it, the, the, the, that party triggered it, right? Like- Yeah ... you know. And it was a week later after that party with Evita.
[00:50:58] Eldar: Mm-hmm.
[00:50:58] Denis: Uh, I don't know if... I should probably not mention names on here. Mm-mm. You guys got a lot of listening. You know, we
[00:51:02] Katherine: never said her name un- until, like, this episode.
[00:51:05] For real? Like, today's, like, the first time that suddenly, like- Uh, like- ... we're just, like, bringing up her name ...
[00:51:09] Denis: no, she was in that. You guys said it in that episode.
[00:51:10] Katherine: When I spoke about, like, h- like, what happened between her and I, it was obviously very vague. Obviously, I didn't go into detail, but I- Mm ... didn't mention her name, not once in that video, in that episode.
[00:51:19] Yeah. Well, I
[00:51:20] Denis: mean, I think one of
[00:51:20] Katherine: these
[00:51:21] Denis: guys- It wasn't mentioned ... definitely dropped it- We definitely did ... 'cause I, otherwise, I wouldn't have known.
[00:51:23] Katherine: Mm.
[00:51:24] Denis: I'm, you know- I thought we
[00:51:25] Katherine: did, but- Well, you would know, though. She's, like, my, she was my closest friend.
[00:51:27] Denis: No, no, like, it was, like, a couple of them, I think, specifically said the name.
[00:51:30] Oh,
[00:51:31] Katherine: okay.
[00:51:31] Denis: You know. Maybe not you, but-
[00:51:33] Katherine: Yeah, no. I, I, like, when I-
[00:51:34] Denis: We've definitely- Yeah. I checked it recently.
[00:51:35] Katherine: Yeah, it, it happens. You checked
[00:51:37] Denis: it recently. 'Cause I was trying to reflect on, like, all right- Mm ... where, where do we kinda, like, w- 'cause... But anyways, but whatever. Uh, it is what it is. But, um, I don't know what the fuck I was saying.
[00:51:47] Yeah. But so, so, so that meeting, you kept pushing that, and, and, um, I didn't really have, like, a target of that. I was just kinda airing out grievances. Uh, and I don't remember what the hell I was talking about before that or how we led to that. Maybe you can help
[00:52:02] Katherine: me. Um, the meeting, the actual meeting in 2024-
[00:52:05] Denis: Right before,
[00:52:05] Katherine: like-
[00:52:05] where you kept on bringing up grievances, and Elder was like, "What?" Like, "Well, what, what are we- what are, what are you doing?"
[00:52:11] Eldar: What's the point?
[00:52:11] Katherine: What's the point? Yeah. Yes.
[00:52:13] Denis: Right.
[00:52:13] Katherine: That's where we
[00:52:13] Eldar: were. Right, right.
[00:52:14] Denis: Um-
[00:52:14] Mike: You didn't have an agenda for the meeting either.
[00:52:16] Eldar: You had, and then you had the seasons, the version one, version two.
[00:52:18] The seasons, yes. And you reflected. Are you just kinda rolling with it, like, a- as you go?
[00:52:22] Denis: No, no, it's just, I, I just got off work, and so my shit is all over the place. Yeah. And I'm trying to, like, tap in. Yeah, yeah. So my bad. I, I gotta- It's all good. You're good. You're good. Recalibrate a little bit. Yeah. But, um-
[00:52:30] Katherine: I mean, it's, it's a whole three years of not seeing us and talking- Yeah, yeah.
[00:52:33] It's a lot, you know? And it's, like, it's a lot, of course. It's a lot
[00:52:34] Denis: just being-
[00:52:35] Katherine: And you're walking
[00:52:35] Denis: into- Plus T, is, you know, there's a serious aura on the other
[00:52:38] Katherine: side of the room. T-
[00:52:40] Eldar: T is sending you some sort of vibes. Yeah, I'm
[00:52:41] Denis: listening.
[00:52:41] Eldar: Yeah, he's listening, yeah.
[00:52:42] Denis: Nah, I'm just kidding.
[00:52:43] Eldar: Uh, well, look, look, this is how I was totally feeling right now.
[00:52:46] Are
[00:52:46] Denis: you done, motherfucker? Oh, you...
[00:52:49] Eldar: It doesn't have the thing yet.
[00:52:50] Denis: Yeah. I heard it a little bit.
[00:52:51] Eldar: Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's, it's Harris yelling, "Are you done, motherfucker?"
[00:52:55] Denis: Oh, you guys got sound effects. I saw it. The sound bites. Yeah. Warren sound effects. Yeah. Yeah,
[00:52:58] Eldar: Warren Harris.
[00:52:59] Denis: Um, yeah. Uh, long story short, the, um-
[00:53:03] Eldar: No, we want the long version.
[00:53:04] Yes. I,
[00:53:05] Denis: I had, my season with you guys was, you know, a 10 plu- whatever, 12 year. That you also made fun of that number. 12, yes. 12-year run. Yeah. Uh- Well, no,
[00:53:12] Eldar: because you brought it up ...
[00:53:13] Denis: I left that season, and I think it was for good reason. I needed to, to some degree. But unfortunately, I, um, there was, like, shrapnel, like residual, like a, like losses-
[00:53:30] Eldar: Mm
[00:53:31] Denis: that took place. Because I wasn't conscious of it, and ironically, it's kinda like the, um, in a, in a little way, you know, you guys like to, you always talk about that, um, over the years, you always talked about, what was that thing you would say? The Jim Carrey shit.
[00:53:44] Toliy: Mm.
[00:53:44] Denis: I wish everybody makes, uh, you know, I didn't make a milli yet or multi-milli.
[00:53:48] Yeah. But, but, um, the concept of, like, touch whatever you fucking want and come back, and then you, you know. So, uh, you know, I went after the things that I needed to go after to, to heal that Dennis that was like, you know, I wanted to be an entrepreneur. I wanted to be, you know, on my feet a little bit. And I went after that and accomplished a lot of things.
[00:54:07] You know, I'm a father. I got, uh, I got a wife of six and a half years now. Business, everything's good. But there's like a, there was always that hole of, like, something ain't right. You know what I mean? And then I was, as I was reflecting for this since Sunday since I hit it up, I was try- hit you up, I was trying to kind of put it all together of what I would kinda des- describe it as.
[00:54:30] I wrote it. You know, my bad.
[00:54:32] Mike: Yeah, no,
[00:54:32] Denis: go ahead. Go ahead. It's all over the place. But I've, uh, said- So he hit you up Sunday night?
[00:54:35] Mike: Sunday night.
[00:54:36] Denis: And she hit
[00:54:36] Mike: me up Monday. Yeah. That's sick. Back to
[00:54:39] Denis: back.
[00:54:39] Mike: Uh,
[00:54:39] Denis: yeah.
[00:54:40] Mike: That's sick. That's funny.
[00:54:44] Denis: Something important here. Hold on. I had a couple things here. My bad.
[00:54:47] Mike: ChatGPT it real quick.
[00:54:48] Denis: No, no, no, I wrote it in my notes. Hold on. Um, so- Goddamn it, Mr. Sark, please give us a goddamn
[00:54:53] Mike: quote.
[00:54:56] Denis: Yeah, so like identity crisis. Didn't know how to bridge the gap between the old Dennis hanging out and chilling, meaning, you know, around... Tommy. I was-- Me and Tommy, we're in the same- Mm-hmm ... you know what I mean?
[00:55:06] No disrespect, Tommy. But you know, the Tommy life.
[00:55:08] Eldar: Tommy's still chilling. Yeah. Yeah,
[00:55:09] Denis: I'm still here. And the new, and the new Dennis' ambitions, right? And I went and got what I wanted, and then you look back and you realize You know, I judged you guys hard, those 2021, '22, '23 of like, "Yo, you motherfuckers ain't doing shit."
[00:55:23] You know what I mean? Sitting around, you know? And then after I was, I was kinda ki- I'm like thinking, I'm like, "Oh yeah, that's funny," 'cause now I look back and I'm like, I got serious, I did all the stuff. And you look back and you're like, "Oh shit," you know? Like made some money, did some things, and you look back and you're like...
[00:55:40] The essence of life was actually just to... You know, Austin's always like, "Yo, you're too serious," you know? "You're too this and that." You know, I lost that what I, what I had a little bit of like, you know-
[00:55:49] Eldar: Having fun ...
[00:55:50] Denis: having fun, yeah. Yeah. You know? And, and that essence. And you look back and you realize that, oh shit, you know?
[00:55:54] You go back, you go and you're out there and you do your thing, whatever you gotta do, and then you realize like the shit that you were judging as like not important, I would judge it this hard. Remember? I would be like- Yeah ... towards the end. That's why there was a lot of friction, '22, all this stuff. Like, I was like, "Yo, like w- like
[00:56:09] Eldar: how many are you gonna
[00:56:09] Denis: s- you gonna sit here and talk about the same shit?"
[00:56:11] Yeah. The
[00:56:11] Katherine: s- You could sense it. Yeah. Yeah. Like as an outsider, I could feel that.
[00:56:14] Denis: That, that was, that, that's what I'm saying. That- I felt it,
[00:56:15] Katherine: yeah ... that I was
[00:56:16] Denis: le- leaving my season and I was, and I didn't know how to do it gracefully. You know, instead of saying, "Hey guys," you know what I mean? I'm just, you know, I gotta go do whatever I gotta do.
[00:56:24] I'll be right back.
[00:56:25] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:56:26] Denis: Yeah. I said- Let me
[00:56:27] Eldar: go find out for myself.
[00:56:28] Denis: Yeah. Through, you know, um-
[00:56:29] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:56:31] Denis: Yeah, there was a lot of friction on that front, 'cause it was, I didn't know how to... I resented it all because I, I, it was so long of failing that I had to blame somebody.
[00:56:42] Eldar: Mm-hmm.
[00:56:42] Denis: Right? Uh, and so I, so I did, you know?
[00:56:47] Uh, so yeah.
[00:56:49] Eldar: Did I do a good job playing the part?
[00:56:51] Denis: What part?
[00:56:51] Eldar: Well, you blaming Austin stuff and me, I'm like-
[00:56:53] Denis: Yeah. Yeah, no, listen, I- Of
[00:56:56] Eldar: being
[00:56:56] Denis: the bad guy? I, I- Being the bad guy? You feeling- To be, to be clear, you know- I like that role ... I don't know how it would happen with the- Yeah ... other people or even Phil- I'm interested what happened with Philip and all-
[00:57:04] Harris. Where the fuck is Harris at, you know?
[00:57:05] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:57:06] Denis: Last time I saw him, he was at- Yeah ... or, or your friends and stuff. But I, m- I, you know, we talked, we, I showed you the text, this and that from back. Like there was no, I didn't like curse you out. I didn't disrespect you. Obviously I felt how I felt. Mm-hmm.
[00:57:19] I asked for some things, and you felt, and that was it. And we kinda just like, you, you chose silence, which was probably the best thing to do. Um, you didn't give me an opportunity to do something stupid, you know what I mean? Like say something stupid that- Yeah. Yeah ... you know. So thankfully like that ending was, you know, but it, but it was s- it was sad 'cause it just like went into silence and then boom, three years go by, you know?
[00:57:37] Eldar: Mm-hmm.
[00:57:38] Denis: And there's the silence. But, but yeah, so that's kinda why I'm here, you know? Um, to talk about kinda the seasons and, uh- So
[00:57:44] Eldar: what'd you miss?
[00:57:45] Denis: Uh, I missed you guys. I, yeah, I missed you guys. Mm. You know? Uh, yeah. I
[00:57:51] Eldar: think, I- Let me- Would, would, would I be correct if I ask this question the way I will ask this question right now?
[00:57:55] Denis: For sure, yeah.
[00:57:56] Eldar: Did you actually miss us, or did you miss yourself around us?
[00:57:59] Denis: That's a good q- I, I'd have to, that's, you, you dropped a serious, uh- That's
[00:58:03] Eldar: a
[00:58:03] Katherine: serious question ...
[00:58:04] Denis: hammer, you know? That's, I can't answer that drive-by. I'd like to play what he said for s- 90 seconds. Absolutely. It's important, you know?
[00:58:10] Eldar: Absolutely, yeah.
[00:58:10] Denis: Uh, let me pull up-
[00:58:11] Eldar: You said something important, Mike, for once ... fir- first time in 220 episodes. And 430 hours plus.
[00:58:18] Denis: Well, I'll be, listen, I'll be honest with you all. All right, I'm learning. I have checked in over the years, but not the way that you think. Like, I think I said it in a voice note.
[00:58:25] Eldar: He did. He said he just copy-pasted his name- You got a transcript ... to see when we, he was talking, we were talking about him.
[00:58:29] Denis: Every time I put in Dennis, it would, it would isolate that- Yeah ... and I could just play it, get angry, and then- Did you take a- Yeah. So you put him
[00:58:35] Eldar: on mute. Two years ago we should've, we should've had a what's-his-name.
[00:58:37] We should've changed his name to, like, a code name. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We should've done that. He would, he would've never found it.
[00:58:42] Denis: All right, got it. He would've
[00:58:43] Mike: never known.
[00:58:43] Eldar: Yeah.
[00:58:44] Denis: I got it here. So, so I checked in over the years. Yeah. I'm not gonna, you know, I'm, I'm transparent on that front. Yeah. But not in the way that you-
[00:58:49] Mike: I, I think that your
[00:58:50] Denis: system-
[00:58:50] you think ...
[00:58:50] Mike: to find the tool-
[00:58:51] Denis: Oh, here we go ...
[00:58:52] Mike: was just overwhelming people. Yeah, I think-
[00:58:54] Denis: Perfect ...
[00:58:54] Mike: I'm gonna give it, like, a, a, to my, in my head, it, it's like a funny example. Sometimes, you know, like, you go to a, uh, to a ... You have to go on a long journey to find the tool that was, like, right in front of you. Mm-hmm.
[00:59:07] Right? To pick it up and say, "Actually, you're right." Or you don't have to say it to somebody else, but say it to yourself, like, "Yeah, you were right." Yeah. I've been looking for this wrench, but it's been in front of me. I held it, like, 100 times, but I was like, "Ah, it's not it." So why I say that is because, like, um, part of this discovery, you know, like listening is totally part of the discovery, it's not necessarily finding that tool, it's you taking the ownership of finding it.
[00:59:34] You have to discover what you need to discover yourself, not necessarily the approach is different or the strategy is different. We need to get there ourselves, maybe in a design, kind of natural design kind of way, a humbling process kind of way. Because I, I was talking to, to, I was talking to, to, uh, f- it was War, and- Mm-hmm
[00:59:53] you know- This guy right here? Oh,
[00:59:54] Denis: wow, we live?
[00:59:56] Mike: Oh, wow, we live. That guy. Yeah, I was talking to War, and I was, I got, and asking, like, you know, help me to understand, like, how build confidence, talk to girls. Mm-hmm. Right? That's one thing that I've been struggling with. And I'm like-
[01:00:05] Denis: But yeah, anyway, the main part will probably be there, you know?
[01:00:07] Mm-hmm. Does that makes... I don't know. Does that make sense? Yeah. It made sense to me. Yeah, for sure. Of
[01:00:10] Eldar: course.
[01:00:11] Denis: Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, anyways, that's my ramble- Mm-hmm ... uh, I guess. I don't know if it made any sense whatsoever, but.
[01:00:17] Eldar: I,
[01:00:18] Mike: I,
[01:00:18] Eldar: I, yeah. It's a What's the Dennis
[01:00:19] Mike: Adventure? Sometimes- Yeah. As always, yeah ... you have to go on a long journey to find what was right in front of you.
[01:00:23] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's what happened. And sometimes you gotta go through some detours.
[01:00:26] Mike: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's normal in life, I think.
[01:00:28] Eldar: And you even referenced, uh, all the bees come back to the hive.
[01:00:31] Mike: Yes.
[01:00:31] Eldar: Right. Right, yeah, yeah.
[01:00:32] Katherine: That's all they're saying.
[01:00:33] Eldar: Yeah. I think, no, that was my, not my saying.
[01:00:36] Nate said that.
[01:00:37] Katherine: Oh. Hmm.
[01:00:38] Eldar: Wow. That's Nate's quote. But,
[01:00:39] Katherine: you know- Yeah ... as a beekeeper, I think it's, it fits. Well,
[01:00:42] Eldar: sure. You know? But I didn't come up with that quote. You gotta give credit where it's due.
[01:00:45] Katherine: Got it. Credit to Nate.
[01:00:46] Eldar: Yeah. So totally You have some questions? Gorilla
[01:00:50] Toliy: might- Well, well, I mean, I, I, I feel like you didn't say anything yet.
[01:00:54] Eldar: I think that's all. Yeah.
[01:00:55] Toliy: Yeah, I guess. I think we wrap it up on that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I guess like, uh, yeah, my q- question is probably, like, along the lines of, like, like, you know, what did you miss? You know? Or, like... Because to me it's like, for a long time it was always a scenario where, like, you know, we probably, like, don't mesh, you know?
[01:01:15] Like, you see things, you know, like you, you like discipline, you know? You wanna do a, I don't know, maybe a podcast but also get some stuff similar. Try to know at the same time if you're gonna do it, you know? Um- You still going
[01:01:27] Mike: over Dan and eating a pie a week? Uh,
[01:01:30] Toliy: yeah. It's,
[01:01:30] Mike: it's South Park. Of course. Yeah.
[01:01:31] Toliy: Yeah. So, um, yeah, like I, I always felt that, like, there was a clear, like, divide in, like, maybe philosophy, right? Yeah. So, yeah.
[01:01:39] Eldar: Which... No, but which I, which I personally don't think necessarily has to be a complete, like, rift between friendships or, like, you can have your own understanding about life. You can have your own understanding- Yeah
[01:01:50] of what you do. U- unless it starts to become where there, there's so much friction where it becomes maybe toxic, then yeah, you probably wanna go separate ways.
[01:01:57] Toliy: Yeah,
[01:01:58] Eldar: but- But I think ultimately what he's talking about, what, uh, at least he mentioned, I mean, I know he's a very bad communicator. Mm-hmm. But he said, "Look, I, I miss the fact that it was fun.
[01:02:05] Like, I'm not... Like, I realize that, like, I, I want f- more fun." And I think that the association that at least we leave off all the time, right? We have lots of fun, you know, and, like, that's undeniable.
[01:02:16] Toliy: Yeah.
[01:02:16] Eldar: You know what I mean? Uh, and those people who are around us, they feel that fun. Sometimes they're being ma- being made fun of, sure, for the stupidity that they do.
[01:02:25] Yeah. You know what I mean? Rightfully so. This is how we do. We troll people, right? Well, yes. Or we whatever, right? Yeah. And I think that he was a, a willing participant in that whole f- era, in that phase, and he was also the troller who would troll other people as well. That's also an identity that is within him- Yeah.
[01:02:40] Mm-hmm ... which he probably misses as well.
[01:02:42] Toliy: Yeah.
[01:02:42] Eldar: There's a lot, I think there's a lot of dynamic that he traded off and said, "You know what? I'ma put this to the side," which I felt that he was a dumbass for doing so. You know, obviously I feel like, like, just like you feel like- Yeah ... anybody who puts this type of lifestyle down or this kind of understanding down is an idiot, but it's okay.
[01:02:57] It's part, part of life as well. But yeah, like, I think he's coming to that realization that, like, "Look, like, yeah, I miss him. There's a hole there," and I thi- I, I know exactly what he's talking about. Yeah. I know what that hole, I mean, represents. Yeah. You know what I mean?
[01:03:10] Denis: To, to, to touch on what
[01:03:11] Eldar: you said- And the hole is, and the hole is...
[01:03:12] Sorry, Denis.
[01:03:13] Denis: No, no.
[01:03:13] Eldar: And the hole is, um, the fact that there was a big part of Denis's identity that made up us. There's no spinning it, you know what I mean? The animated Dennis, the crazy Dennis, all that stuff, all the sharing Dennis, you know what I mean?
[01:03:27] Katherine: Like- Look at our podcast.
[01:03:28] Eldar: Yeah, I mean-
[01:03:29] Katherine: Like, even the
[01:03:29] Eldar: name
[01:03:29] well, Dennis Rocks. Like, we- Yeah ... I started this- The name
[01:03:32] Katherine: of, of our podcast.
[01:03:32] Eldar: Yes. I mean, we have a whole history on that, you know, how we came up with the name, and the fact that, like, I, I was not budging the f- I can't, I can't change the name just because he asked for me to change the name. I remember
[01:03:41] Katherine: Dennis didn't like...
[01:03:42] I, I, you didn't like it at all ...
[01:03:44] Eldar: well. You didn't
[01:03:45] Katherine: like
[01:03:45] Eldar: it. Yeah. Yeah. He, we came to the off- I still remember this. We came to the office in the morning. He was the first one there, whatever. He already had all these names out. Yeah. Like, that was
[01:03:51] Denis: my job. I had to f- I, he tasked me with creating- I remember ... the structure.
[01:03:55] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:03:55] Denis: And once I started creating the structure-
[01:03:57] Eldar: Yeah ...
[01:03:58] Denis: he obviously- He realized that- ... the company didn't like it
[01:04:00] Eldar: like that ... yeah, there's no structure, you know? So we were-
[01:04:02] Denis: He trolled me by saying, "You know what? We're not naming it any of those things. We're gonna name it after you."
[01:04:05] Eldar: No, we didn't say we're gonna name it.
[01:04:07] We ran a democracy poll, and I said, "Guys, I have another suggestion," because he left his suggestions. He, he gave us the opportunity to put our suggestions on the board, and the only suggestion we put on the board, I was like, "Guys, you agreed Dennis Rocks," and we voted, and he got outvoted, and Dennis Rocks stood.
[01:04:21] Mm. And that's how the name came about. So what I'm saying is that, I mean, I think this is what he missed- Mm ... the fact that he did rock, you know what I'm saying? Yes, he's got crazy, volatile moments up and down and all the stuff, but that made up part of who he is, a part of what you are. Mm-hmm. Because he can genuinely be himself with us.
[01:04:40] You know what I mean? We allow that... This kind of setting, this kind of thing allows for that kind of thing to grow and to be unapologetically. You know what I'm saying? Because it's truthful and it's honest. Am I right or am I wrong?
[01:04:54] Denis: No, for sure
[01:04:55] Eldar: Am I doing it too much, too much
[01:04:56] Denis: for you? No, no, no, you're right.
[01:04:57] Yeah. I mean, I t- t- the only thing to answer your thing is I think the... I also was asking now, 'cause I knew what you'd, you know, like-
[01:05:03] Eldar: Mm-hmm ...
[01:05:04] Denis: you know, what, what ultimately- I'm a simple person, you know ... biggest question would've been. No, no, the biggest question, the most important is for sure, like, well, what, you know, what is this, the, you know, you're still you and we're still we.
[01:05:15] But I think that's why I really kinda dug in and I realized I'm good with, like, timelines and years. You know, Mike has also got a good memory. I got a good memory with, like, dates. Like I know exactly when that podcast when Philip said the thing, it was, like, December 5th- When was George
[01:05:29] Eldar: Washington, uh, born?
[01:05:29] Denis: No, no, no, just like- Oh ... with my life. Oh my
[01:05:31] Katherine: gosh.
[01:05:32] Denis: Wow. December 5th '23, Philip said he's gonna wax my head against the floor and bloody me. And that's when I got pissed, you know. Mm-hmm. Uh, you know, December-
[01:05:40] Katherine: Yeah, uh, can I j- jump in? Yeah. I'm actually surprised that you would, that you would, like, take that seriously.
[01:05:46] Not take it seriously- Oh, the person had
[01:05:47] Eldar: to take
[01:05:47] Denis: that seriously ... but, like- I had to. Yeah ...
[01:05:48] Katherine: but, like- I had to ... attach yourself to that- Yeah ... because if you knew us- He was at a boiling point ... you know- He was looking for it. He was looking for it ... that it's, like, it's chat. It's- Yeah ... you know, it was jokes. I was
[01:05:58] Denis: looking for it.
[01:05:58] You know? He said he was
[01:05:58] Mike: gonna roll him up into a carpet.
[01:06:01] Katherine: I need- Oh. Yeah. No, that's really important what you said. And beat him up. You needed that.
[01:06:02] Denis: Yeah.
[01:06:03] Katherine: You needed that.
[01:06:03] Denis: I was wait- Wow ... I ha- I was waiting for something. Like, I needed to, you know, like- He
[01:06:06] Mike: needed to hang onto something.
[01:06:07] Katherine: The bait.
[01:06:08] Mike: Yeah.
[01:06:08] Katherine: He needed the
[01:06:08] Denis: bait.
[01:06:09] I w- I, I mean, there's other somethings also. He needed something to break. For example, I got some provocative thi- provocative, like, I, um, I, well, I, I don't think I should've ever worked for you, number one, but I, let's put that on the side. I think that- Let
[01:06:20] Eldar: bygones be bygones.
[01:06:22] Denis: No, no, no. I've, no, I'm serious.
[01:06:23] Like, I think that was a big part of it. But to answer what you're saying is that, like, if you look before 2022- What's that far? ... 'cause I started working, uh, October '21. Mm-hmm. So essentially 2022. Um, you know, me and you would bicker, and me and M- but, like, I always came around, like- You know, with stories, I always w- he's, "Yo, come through.
[01:06:42] This is hap-" I'm always there. You know what I mean? Yeah. Every hangout, every barbecue, every- Of course, Dennis still did his own thing.
[01:06:48] Katherine: Yes.
[01:06:49] Denis: Uh, that's part of my identity. Yes. I always have it. Mm-hmm. But I was at every hangout, every... You know what I mean? Um, and so it, it did mesh. It's just, I think what you, if you really looked at the timeline, '21, 2022, '23, those two years, I started becoming a lot more abrasive unknowingly because I, I started judging all of this, especially 'cause you made this into, like, a real podcast and thing like that.
[01:07:12] Mm-hmm. And it wasn't... Like, I lo- you forgetting that I, I did this all the, all my, uh, for many years. You did. I would go to his house, at his parents' house. We would ju- I was just waiting for, "Feed me some philosophy," you know? "Tell us, talk about relationships. Let's talk about this. How, how did you do this with, with Catherine and the relationship?
[01:07:28] How did the, uh, that, uh, how does, what is life up..." You know, like, I was fiending for that for many years. That's why we, we meshed, and then we all meshed. You know, we had our... Of course, me and you never developed a, like, a one-on-one relationship, and me and Mike, not really, you know, which I reflected in this week, and it is unfortunate because there was probably opportunities to do so.
[01:07:46] Um, you know, and I, I didn't, uh, I guess want to for whatever reasons, you know? But long story short, I think it was, if you really look at the timeline, it was '21, '22, '23 is this, this extra Dennis that was kinda like, "F you guys" kind of a thing. Still coming around-
[01:08:02] Mike: It was a, it was a, like, a arrogance to prove us wrong- Yes
[01:08:04] by doing it on your own.
[01:08:05] Denis: Yes, yes. Yeah. Yes. I wanted to... I w- anybody that was doubting that I, what I wanted to become- Yes ... like-
[01:08:11] Mike: There was no way you could've stuck around because you had to prove that
[01:08:13] Denis: You were, you were also a, like, a... It was a constant smack in the face of, like, who I actually am versus- Yeah
[01:08:20] who I wanted to be.
[01:08:20] Mike: Yeah.
[01:08:21] Denis: Like, 'cause you was, you know, n- no- nobody was, uh, buying my shit. You know what I mean? You come with 73rd business for the whiteboard. I, uh, Kat's is looking at you like, "Come on." You know what I mean? Like, "What do you want us to do? You want us to give you a round of applause, you know, that you're gonna start a new website?"
[01:08:36] Uh, and you, of course, you resent people who don't, you
[01:08:39] Katherine: know- I, I just remember you bringing a ladder to my house. This just came to my, in my mind. Uh, b- you remember? Did we lend him a ladder?
[01:08:47] Eldar: He had his own ladder.
[01:08:48] Katherine: I mean- But you were, like, walking up- Oh, yeah ... onto my roof. I remember that. Was that your last business, uh, endeavor?
[01:08:53] Denis: Right before the, right before what I'd been doing for three and a half years, yeah, yeah. Okay. That was the right, right before that. I
[01:08:58] Katherine: remember. Oh, I remember. I remember that. And then he realized he was scared of
[01:09:00] Eldar: heights.
[01:09:01] Katherine: Yeah. He mentioned that to me.
[01:09:03] Eldar: Yeah. Like I said, there was a lot of funny moments- Yeah, of course
[01:09:05] and a lot of funny times. But all that culmination of all those things made up Dennis, our, our dynamic-
[01:09:10] Katherine: Yeah ...
[01:09:10] Eldar: and that was part of it. Yeah.
[01:09:11] Katherine: That's part of it.
[01:09:12] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:09:12] Mike: Yeah. The funny, the funny moments, it definitely made up a lot of us and contributed to us. And also, those funny moments, if you go through them and, you know, be the center of stupidity, you know, for yourself or myself- Yeah
[01:09:27] you, if you break through that- It, it's good stuff.
[01:09:30] Eldar: Yeah, it is. It is. You know? Obviously, uh, you know- It is, yeah ... f- our fun always tied to deeper philosophical- Yes ... findings- Yes ... that then we were able to, you know, discuss a lot more of-
[01:09:39] Mike: Yes ...
[01:09:40] Eldar: and really- Learn from ... maybe find some, some wisdom in those- Yeah ... in those areas.
[01:09:44] Mike: Yeah,
[01:09:45] Eldar: for sure. Um, yeah, no. Like I understand. I understand the, the whole... I understand- Yeah ... what he's, he's coming from. Yeah. Like, I could have predicted it obviously. You could have predicted it easily. Yeah. Like, you always say that. Like, you know, that's... it's stupid. You know what I... Because there is a lot to be gotten in this dynamic and everything else, and on top of it we're...
[01:10:03] we have fun, you know? Why would anybody put that down? Only if it's, like, a ego or pride play.
[01:10:09] Katherine: Yeah.
[01:10:09] Eldar: You know? So.
[01:10:10] Katherine: So I give you credit for, for walking in here.
[01:10:13] Denis: Yeah, the w- this is
[01:10:14] Katherine: the
[01:10:15] Denis: lion's den.
[01:10:15] Katherine: And, and being vulnerable.
[01:10:17] Denis: Yeah. Yeah, I
[01:10:17] Eldar: appreciate you for allowing me. We were like- But it's a little bit late, three years?
[01:10:19] When he hit me up with the three years thing- I'm shocked ... I was like- I'm shocked ... three years?
[01:10:22] Katherine: That's right.
[01:10:22] Eldar: I thought he would've came around a lot. I thought that first meeting when we had, that's where he was gonna come across with this message. That's how I felt. But then when he came with the list-
[01:10:31] Katherine: No
[01:10:31] Denis: I was like- Then he wasn't ready ... oh. It wasn't the right
[01:10:32] Eldar: time. This is what we're
[01:10:32] Denis: doing? I could... This is what we're doing. I have a, I have a, a, a... I, I, I understood that theory too.
[01:10:37] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:10:38] Denis: You, you're, you're not gonna get this part. I mean- You're not gonna guess this part
[01:10:43] Eldar: Uh-huh
[01:10:43] Denis: Um, I was... I needed you to, just like with everything, right?
[01:10:47] Like, I needed you to... I had a tendency my whole life, as from my parents, uh-
[01:10:52] Eldar: Approval?
[01:10:54] Denis: Yeah, appro- but I, I wanted you to kinda dunk the ball for me. You know? Mm. And you, you refused to do it that way. No,
[01:10:59] Eldar: no. I kept asking you, but you didn't wanna say it. Yeah.
[01:11:00] Denis: So I was like- Yeah ... "You don't want me" You wanted
[01:11:02] Eldar: to meet him halfway a little bit.
[01:11:04] Denis: More than... I, I, I think I brought it 80%, but, like, he refused to, he refused to- Bro, he
[01:11:08] Eldar: shitted on me, bro Yeah He shitted on the whole thing. He said, "Yo, you, you know, all this shit, you have a... He- what do you call-
[01:11:13] Katherine: Charity, charity-based- Ego-driven charity ... ego driven-
[01:11:15] Eldar: Ego-driven charity ...
[01:11:17] Katherine: ego driven. We still remember.
[01:11:17] We still
[01:11:18] Denis: remember. That's, that's a good term, no? That's a good- It's a very good one ... elderism.
[01:11:20] Katherine: I'm not gonna lie-
[01:11:21] Denis: So elderism.
[01:11:22] Eldar: Yes ... and-
[01:11:22] Denis: I got the terms, you know what I mean? Like- 100%. 100%
[01:11:24] Eldar: He learned something ... find
[01:11:25] Denis: a couple of new ones, you know?
[01:11:27] Eldar: Yes.
[01:11:27] Denis: Yeah.
[01:11:28] Katherine: Yeah, no.
[01:11:28] Eldar: We remember the terms. If we ever film a movie, you're definitely playing Judas.
[01:11:31] Yeah.
[01:11:32] Denis: Yeah, yeah. Uh, yeah, I mean, it, it ca- It's the, uh... I don't mean to g- I don't wanna get too kinda-
[01:11:38] Mike: Carried away ...
[01:11:39] Denis: sappy- Sappy ... sappy or whatever. Sappy But it d- you know, everybody's got their traumas and shit, but I thought about it this week. I'm like, "How does that kinda transpire?" And it, and it came from, uh, my parents, you know?
[01:11:49] Like, um, I never got their approval. I mean, literally, to this day. It's, it's like, you know, you'd laugh at, you know, how many- I
[01:11:56] Eldar: still don't get approval today
[01:11:57] Denis: No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's- I'm
[01:11:58] Eldar: not looking for it, though. Right. And you can... That's the difference.
[01:12:01] Denis: I, I was.
[01:12:02] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:12:02] Denis: And I am.
[01:12:03] Eldar: Yeah. Still. Still.
[01:12:05] Denis: Uh- That's
[01:12:05] Katherine: honest
[01:12:06] Denis: you know?
[01:12:06] Katherine: Mm.
[01:12:07] Denis: Just, like, you know, it was n- nothing was ever enough. And I, I'll get to the point of why that connects here, is that, like, you became my, my big brother to me, you know? I mean, we met at 15. I f- I was 15, you were 25. And-
[01:12:20] Eldar: No funny business, though, right? Just for the, for the record. All
[01:12:24] Denis: right. No, no funny business.
[01:12:25] Eldar: Cool.
[01:12:25] Denis: You know what I'm saying? But, you know, you grow up that way, and the lines also get blurred. I think that's something that's to be said, too. Maybe T will understand that. Um, you start off in a f- in a f- it's like a... You're a YP coordinator right off the bat, you know, enticing us with free food. Baiting you
[01:12:44] Eldar: guys.
[01:12:44] Katherine: It sounds like you're making it sound like a weird, like, like- Like that ... luring us with food ... that's what I said, yeah.
[01:12:48] Eldar: Uh- I was, I was grooming them ...
[01:12:50] Denis: you start off with that- ... like, with lollipops ... with coordinator. All of a sudden- Oh, my God. Oh, my God ... it becomes, you know, twice a week at this fucking basement.
[01:12:57] Not that I'm saying, or at least anyways. YP was
[01:12:59] Eldar: in the basement. Kinda strange, right?
[01:13:00] Denis: At this basement at Rose house, right? And then quickly, within, within months- Well, yeah,
[01:13:05] Eldar: we played basketball too, though. Come
[01:13:06] Denis: on, now ... a little. But yeah, within months it transfers to, like, we're hanging out e- I mean, this is 2020-
[01:13:16] '11, 2012, 2013. Um, I graduate high s- he graduates 2011, I graduate 2012. It quickly transpires to-
[01:13:22] Katherine: Wow, that's how young you
[01:13:23] Denis: guys were ... hanging out every day. I'm at your parents' house. You're cooking us fucking breakfast from your mom's, you know what I mean? Yeah. These, your parents is working, busting their ass, you're cooking the whole block fucking- Yeah, yeah
[01:13:34] scrambled eggs and shit. Everybody coming through. My mom's
[01:13:36] Eldar: sleeping upstairs, we're watching movies.
[01:13:37] Denis: Yeah, we come at night, like it, it bec- We gonna eat all that ... it, it, it- Yeah ... the lines got blurred from, like, YP member to friend to, to me, m- I'm sure- Me- mentor ... he felt the same way, to, like, brother, mentor.
[01:13:48] Because I never had a good relationship with my pops, nothing with my brother, my real brother, right? And so, like, you became- It's a bit
[01:13:53] Eldar: weird.
[01:13:54] Denis: Huh?
[01:13:55] Eldar: It's a bit weird.
[01:13:55] Denis: It's a bit weird, yeah. Sorry. You became, you became, like, everything all at once, all really fast, at a time where I'm very impressionable. I don't really understand what's going on.
[01:14:04] But, like, I got love for you, right? And then we, we build, you know, a, a, a, like a, like a unit and all the... You bringing around all these different goblins, you know, like me. Mike was bringing them. You know? Yeah.
[01:14:13] Mike: I was bringing them. Ah.
[01:14:14] Denis: Oh,
[01:14:15] Mike: it's okay. Give me the credit.
[01:14:16] Denis: And it goes fast, you know? And the years go, and now we're p- you know, fast-forward, you know, just, you know, 18, 19, 20 years old, we're running around partying together, me, you, and Serge, like, at Miller's.
[01:14:26] Yeah. You know, I got a fake ID. Yeah. You know? Like wild stuff, man.
[01:14:29] Eldar: Fighting.
[01:14:30] Denis: Fi- yeah. Well, I didn't fight, you know? I was still- You bro- you broke it up ...
[01:14:32] Eldar: still scared. You broke up the fight.
[01:14:33] Denis: Yeah, pulled the couple. With the
[01:14:34] Eldar: guns, with the big guns.
[01:14:35] Denis: Uh- ... and it just go- went, goes fast. And that's like, you know, 2013, 2014, '15, '16, '17.
[01:14:42] You know? And then, and then yeah, it got all, all over. And then towards the end there, 21, 22, 23, all ... 21, all of a sudden, all these things I mentioned, now you become my boss and I'm your personal assistant, you know?
[01:14:55] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
[01:14:56] Denis: And it's-
[01:14:56] Eldar: Which you signed up for and you asked, like, "
[01:14:58] Denis: Yo- It was on a bet. You know, I sh- that's what I'm saying.
[01:15:00] I get to ... I should've never did... Like, if maybe- You proposed it ... maybe it was all supposed to be how it was supposed to be. Yeah,
[01:15:04] Eldar: of course.
[01:15:05] Katherine: Yeah, everything happens
[01:15:06] Denis: for a reason. Of course. And therefore I can't touch, kind of, fate or whatever. Of course.
[01:15:09] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:15:09] Denis: But if I had a ... If I could play God, I would've never
[01:15:12] It, 'cause that job was based on a, if you remember- Mm ... it was based on, like, a ... You, it was in the group chat or whatever and like- Yes ... you're like, I was like, "Yo, that guy's doing it for 75K, like- Yeah ... assistant to some celebrity. Yeah. I would've done it for half." And you're like, "You sure?"
[01:15:24] Katherine: No
[01:15:24] Denis: way. "You would do it for half?"
[01:15:25] Eldar: Yeah. And he's like- And then I, I asked Toliy and Toliy's like, "Yeah, make him. Yeah, no problem."
[01:15:28] Denis: Yeah, and he's like, "Yeah, d- Yeah ... he, he's like- Wow. ... "You sure? You, you swear you'd do it for half?" I'm like, "Yeah, 37.5 easy." And I'm just talking, like, tr- Talking so much shit. And he goes, "All right. You start Monday."
[01:15:39] Talking so much shit. Oh, wow. This was Saturday night. He's like, "Monday, you're hired." And at a time in my life I had nothing.
[01:15:43] Katherine: Yeah, I, I remember that. You, you
[01:15:44] Denis: probably needed- Failed business ... to work ... I just got out of the car. I'm living at parent's house. E- Ita, Irina just ended, all this shit. Mm-hmm. And the ego's like, "I'm not doing that," 'cause I always had that vision of what I wanted to do, but I was so bad at my vision that I took it, 'cause I was like, "All right, like, this is your friends.
[01:15:59] Maybe this is, like, how it was supposed to be." And I took it and, you know, and, you know, it was what it was, but I should've ... I- ideally I wouldn't have taken that job. Th- that friends thing would've been preserved as that. I would've ... Dennis always would've been around doing his own thing in and out, but, like, we had that for many years where no matter what I was doing, the friends stuff was the fr- He, I would come through, "Yo, I got a sick story.
[01:16:21] I got this." I'd disappear for a month, come back in, hang out for three weeks, disappear. But then the job, I think, expedited this process of, like, I was around you guys 24/7 and I resented you guys because it was like I had this dream or whatever I had, right? Mm-hmm. And I had to fulfill it. Mm-hmm. I always had to fulfill it.
[01:16:39] You know I always talked about it, right? And-
[01:16:41] Mike: Cashing that check on the, the Civic check.
[01:16:43] Denis: Right. And then being there a- and you guys already created your dream, right? Like, y- you went and got your dream, and then you were in a different season of your life where you guys were now- You got to a place, you built the businesses, your business, your business, and now you were kinda like gathering, putting the pieces in pl- the puzzle pieces in play.
[01:17:04] Like, that's already an engine that was working, and now you're working on other elements. Hey, let's solve our relationship issues. Hey, let's solve whatever else. Hey, let's enjoy basketball and playing men's league and do it. And I'm coming in there every day, and I'm like, "Bro, like this isn't... I, I don't wanna...
[01:17:18] This is not me." And I, and I started hating, not hating, but resenting-
[01:17:21] Katherine: Resenting ...
[01:17:22] Denis: you guys every day for it- Mm ... because I, I wasn't where I wanted to be.
[01:17:25] Katherine: Mm.
[01:17:26] Denis: Mm-hmm. And that, and that, and I felt like I was living in, in someone else's dream, for lack of a better... You know what I mean? Even though you gave me an opportunity, and it was a, you know- Yeah
[01:17:36] $3,125 per month at that time. I was like, "Holy shit," you know? That was a big thing. Um, but I would've never taken that. I wish I never took that job. We probably would've still been, been friends to this day, you know? But that's... You know, you can't change, obviously, the past. Because that, like I said, that expedited this, this version of me that
[01:17:55] Katherine: like- Maybe it was important for you actually to take that job- Yeah.
[01:17:58] May- ... because it expedited. Yeah. Maybe it would've just stretched this out even longer. Maybe this was gonna happen anyway.
[01:18:03] Denis: Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. You know? You're right, Catherine. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not God. I don't know. But, you know.
[01:18:07] Katherine: Yeah.
[01:18:08] Denis: If I had a wish, I would've probably wished that I ne- you know, that would've, 'cause that would've...
[01:18:11] I
[01:18:11] Eldar: don't know. So that ju- that just a testimony to, like, how bad the hole was and how big the hole was.
[01:18:16] Katherine: Yeah, yeah. What you were going
[01:18:17] Eldar: through. Which hole? What do you
[01:18:18] Katherine: mean?
[01:18:19] Eldar: Well, based on what you're saying, you're like, "Hey, I wished," right, "this never happened." But that just tells me that like, look, like what happened was very bad In your eyes
[01:18:27] Denis: W- w- which, w- which is what, what happened specifically?
[01:18:30] Eldar: Well, the friendship- Like the,
[01:18:31] Katherine: the friendship breakup ...
[01:18:32] Eldar: the fallout.
[01:18:33] Denis: Oh yeah, no, for sure. I mean, listen, e- if, even if, if you really look at the way that our texts were there, it, there was... When I said, "Hey, like if you do me a favor, when, you know, if, if you could just remove my name and the face," you gotta understand, I was foreshadowing what was happening, right?
[01:18:49] When I'm years later walking around with my, with my wife and I'm walking in everywhere around Woodward, every fucking restaurant- ... my face is there, you know what I mean? Yeah. Dennis Rocks- ... is promoted everywhere and it's like a- Oh, shit ... constant slap of like, you know- Yeah ... like, oh, these motherfuckers don't respect my, you know, like-
[01:19:04] Eldar: Wishes, yeah
[01:19:04] Denis: wishes, you know? And it's, you know, you're looking at it with that where it's like- Yeah ... you're trying to just move on. And you can't, you know? And, and so- But we represent- I was, I was foreshadowing that, you
[01:19:13] Eldar: know? But see, like yeah, but like we represent something I, I hope good.
[01:19:16] Denis: Y- no, for sure. Like I said, you gotta see that person- You
[01:19:17] Eldar: know, so, so we needed to leave some breadcrumbs for you to find your way back.
[01:19:21] Denis: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:19:22] Eldar: Right?
[01:19:22] Denis: Like
[01:19:23] Katherine: Goldilocks and the three b- Right ... and
[01:19:26] Denis: the bears. But,
[01:19:27] Eldar: but- Toliy's like, "Wait, what kind of crumbs and what, what kind of topping did they have on them?" Is
[01:19:30] Katherine: that a graham cracker kind of
[01:19:31] Eldar: crumbs? 'Cause I'm going there too. 'Cause
[01:19:32] Katherine: I'm going...
[01:19:33] Denis: That, that, uh, that desire, that, that request was, to, to why I'm, I'm just answering that part is it was made not from a place of like, "Yo, everybody go fuck yourself."
[01:19:44] It was made from a place of like, "I'm, I'm drawing the line. I'm quitting the podcast editing. I'm ready to go find Philip." Yeah. And, and you guys are gonna respect- I'm
[01:19:52] Katherine: waiting for him in the
[01:19:53] Denis: parking lot. Yeah, you're gonna respect me, like, I, because I'm just... Oh, let's put it that way, like how it really was.
[01:19:58] You're gonna respect me 'cause I'm gonna show, like, I don't, you know, again- Yeah ... $528 a month- Yeah ... on podcast editing.
[01:20:03] Harris: It
[01:20:03] Eldar: was the- That
[01:20:04] Denis: was, I was Ubering and I had no money. Yeah. And I had a w- a, a fiance. $528 a month to, you know- Yeah ... edit you goblins was great money. You know what I mean? Yes. Like-
[01:20:13] Eldar: But with an ego
[01:20:14] Denis: blow every time
[01:20:15] but in that moment, I'm like, I had enough, you know what I mean? And so, and, and, but that whole thing, even the request for the face and the name, just from that place of like, yo, I just don't want anything, I, I, I don't want anything to do with this and I... 'Cause I was listening, like Kat is talking shit and Mike is yapping about me every episode.
[01:20:31] We're gob- we're goblins. I don't need that, Mike. Mike's always freeze of danger. I never, I never, I never like, uh- Yeah ... Mike was Mike to me. Like me and Mike- Yeah ... we would sometimes butt heads, but, uh, we never, you know, we never- You
[01:20:37] Eldar: rolled him out like a, like a, like a old uncle-
[01:20:40] Denis: Yeah, like an uncle ... retard uncle, you know?
[01:20:41] I was, I was that love, like- You
[01:20:42] Katherine: have to throw the R word in there.
[01:20:45] Denis: Even Austin would say like, "Yeah, but what about like, you know, like Toliy and Mi-?" Like, I'm like, I never had, you know, there was no, there was never no problems. Me and Toliy would butt heads on things. Yeah. Mm. But- I thi-
[01:20:54] Katherine: he's the glue. I think- Right
[01:20:56] he was the glue for you-
[01:20:57] Eldar: Yeah, yeah ... with the rest. But I'm also a package though. Like, you know, like- You are.
[01:20:59] Katherine: Yes ... I'm not like- He's a package
[01:21:01] Eldar: deal ... you know, it's like a, you know, any time, like me and Toliy hanging out, if Toliy's, Mike having some kind of issues, like- It's like a, it's like a weird thing until like, and then, you know, me and Mike hanging out, and, and Toliy's...
[01:21:11] Like, it's like, like a, it's a, it'll be a weird thing.
[01:21:14] Denis: So it's like
[01:21:14] Katherine: a package-
[01:21:14] Denis: And I disrespected that It's a package thing, yeah. I disrespected that. Yeah. In those two years-
[01:21:16] Eldar: Yeah ...
[01:21:17] Denis: that's what I wrote down here, is I, I, and I was telling Asali about that, and she agreed, is like I, um... Yeah, she'd be like, "Yeah, you s- they would invite us to stuff," and you would be like, like, "Nah, nah, I'm not, I'm not going."
[01:21:26] You know what I mean? She's like, "I wa- like, I enjoy hanging out with them." She saw the, she saw the static "Why would we..." You know? Yeah. Yeah. We, 'cause we were reflecting this week on everything, you know? And, and I disrespected that, um, the integrity of... That's what I was saying in the voice note, is like, you're these guys.
[01:21:40] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:21:40] Denis: And, and-
[01:21:41] Eldar: They make up a big part of my- We're all, yeah ... every- everybody is integrated in such a way where it's like we all play a huge role. Yeah. And then to, for someone to, if you're part of the group, if you start s- dividing it somehow, you miss the plot. Yes, yes, yes. Like, you miss the point. And I think that, that, I think when you separated, I think you missed that plot too, because you were also a big factor of it too.
[01:22:01] Denis: Yeah.
[01:22:01] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:22:01] Denis: You know? I, I, I, I wanted... Because you gotta understand, I wanted to, I wanted to move on to my next season, get rid of the dynamic that was causing me kind of to still, like, you know, be faithful to my roots. You
[01:22:12] Katherine: wanted to get away from it because it was probably- Yeah ... bringing out a side that you didn't like in
[01:22:15] Denis: yourself, right?
[01:22:16] Yes, yes. You know, you coming around, and people looking at you like, you know... And, and I had a, I have a sick line- We'll probably...
[01:22:20] Eldar: If you do start coming around, we'll still probably gonna look at you like
[01:22:22] Denis: that. I know. And I got a sick line. Yeah. It's like the irony of it all is- For a
[01:22:24] Katherine: while, we gotta, we gotta scan you.
[01:22:26] Make sure-
[01:22:26] Denis: The i- the irony of it all
[01:22:28] Eldar: is-
[01:22:28] Denis: Make sure you're good We'll
[01:22:28] Eldar: just, we'll just throw Toliy at him
[01:22:29] Denis: every time. You guys also, you guys, you guys didn't give a fuck about my achievements, meaning you did laugh at me and stuff like that, but you also didn't like... Yeah, okay, what business you starting now?
[01:22:39] Blah, blah, blah, right? But I wrote, "But equally, you didn't give a fuck about my failures either," which I didn't realize at the time was actually true acceptance.
[01:22:48] Toliy: Mm.
[01:22:49] Katherine: Dennis- You know? ... can you imagine if we would've ever judged you, like, on that?
[01:22:52] Denis: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:22:53] Katherine: We, we were never having it with you. Considering that you had, like, with all these businesses or what, you know, it was never about that.
[01:22:58] Denis: Homeless, crazy shit, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I, and looking back I can only see that as like, actually, that was true acceptance because you, you let me get on the ladder.
[01:23:05] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:23:06] Denis: Every
[01:23:06] Katherine: business I tried. He gave you a job. Of
[01:23:07] Eldar: course.
[01:23:07] Denis: Yeah.
[01:23:07] Eldar: But- And
[01:23:08] Denis: like,
[01:23:08] Eldar: literally, you know? We fucked with, we fucked with everything that he always- Yeah
[01:23:10] brought to us. Like, sure, we might have disagreed with it- You
[01:23:13] Katherine: wanna start a, a roof cleaning business? ... but there was a s- there was support. Here's a ladder. Come practice at my house. Yeah, yeah,
[01:23:17] Eldar: yeah,
[01:23:17] Katherine: yeah. Literally.
[01:23:17] Denis: Yeah.
[01:23:18] Eldar: Sure, we laughed at it because it was funny. Well, we laughed at it, sure. But like- He probably s- sure laughing at it now if he looks back at those pictures.
[01:23:22] Of course. You know what I mean?
[01:23:23] Denis: Yeah, yeah. For sure. Yeah, it's just, it was a confusing time of like, you know... A- and I don't know. I mean, it's also
[01:23:30] Eldar: me- Imagine getting a message in the middle of the night, playing Counter-Strike, from this guy.
[01:23:33] Denis: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
[01:23:34] Eldar: This is actually the, the picture- What's this? ... from him coming over to the house.
[01:23:37] To the roof? To the roof and doing the thing. Oh.
[01:23:41] Denis: I, I, you know- It was sick ... the, the s- the, the parents was like, they, I guess they fucked me up even though I'm kinda like, I'm always been resilient, so I kinda just keep, you know, shove it under the rug. And my boy Mike used to like to... I don't know how he's living now- Yeah
[01:23:54] but he had a, you had a mechanism of shoving shit under the rug. I had a good
[01:23:57] Mike: rug. My rugging
[01:23:58] Denis: was good. A me- a good rug game. I had a good rug game. Nothing was ever enough. Yeah. And then, like, I start, like- I went like, you get married, parents, you think are like- Maybe they'll,
[01:24:10] Katherine: maybe they'll be nicer ... pops
[01:24:11] Denis: will care or like, you know, develop the relationship.
[01:24:14] S- you know, y- I realized I had bad, uh, male relationships. So then I always ended up like turning to like fighting. Like I didn't turn, no disrespect, Nate, like to the Nate level of like, "Oh, woe is me. Let me sit and cry," blah, blah, blah. I turned to like, "All right, I'm gonna go get you guys," you know? Mm-hmm.
[01:24:31] "Who's, who's talking? You know, Serge this-
[01:24:32] Eldar: Yeah ...
[01:24:33] Denis: let's go. Let's fight back. Y'all, you're..." You know. Uh, but, but I, I never, you know, I never got that acceptance or that true love from my father even though I only... I'm only thinking about this this week 'cause I don't like, you know, I don't reflect. I'm not that deep, T.
[01:24:46] I can't reflect on, you know, father issues. But all that kinda shit led to like nothing was ever good enough. And I went on this season, and you realize, that's why I'm saying this, like you realize none of it is, none of it matters anyways. Uh, get married, parents don't really care. I have a kid. For two weeks, Serge is, my dad is like He changed.
[01:25:07] He was like, he's at the hospital, he's holding her. He's like, "Wow," like, you know, like... And I'm looking at it, and the little boy in me is like, "All right," like, "this is gonna be our thing." Like, now we're gonna be able to be- Now we connect ... my mother and my father, we're gonna have that relationship- Mm ... because we have something outside of us that didn't work out.
[01:25:21] Yeah. Now we got this little girl, and like we all love her, so it's like, it's gonna be perfect. Like they're gonna, he's gonna love me now. Yeah. Like, you know, if I'm being fucking sappy about it, vulnerable. It lasted two weeks, and then everybody went back to work. Back to normal. Me and Ashley raised the kid for over a year by ourselves.
[01:25:35] Eldar: Mm.
[01:25:36] Denis: Nobody helped us. Wow. Ashley actually resented a lot of it- Wow ... you know, my parents for like- Mm.
[01:25:40] Eldar: Well,
[01:25:41] Denis: of course. What the fuck? Ain't nobody, anybody was around. Of course. No babysitting, no nothing. We did it all on our own. Yeah. Two kids who don't know shit. You know what I mean? And it takes a
[01:25:46] Katherine: village, you know?
[01:25:47] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:25:47] Denis: It, it does. It does. That's rough. And we, you know, and, and, and then you look back and you're like, no- nobody's... Pops is not texting me, following, "Hey, how you feeling?" Uh, you know, we're going through the trenches those, the first year, obviously. Uh, and then you, but then I, but then I'm resilient and I'm like, "Oh, okay.
[01:26:02] Well, that's what it is. Keep it moving," you know? And then like the business, you know, like I had like a number that was related to, stupidly to their, to their business, which is like, all right, like when I hit like, like, like 30K gross sales, that means like I s- I, I hit what they've ever hit. And like when I get there, like I'm gonna show them the screenshot and they're gonna like be like, "Wow," like, "Yo, you oh, you're really doing something," you know?
[01:26:25] Mm. Three and a half years, they never asked me about my business, about nothing. They just like- Oh, sure ... as, their, their mentality is like, all right, like Ashley's not complaining, you guys are okay. Handle your business. We don't wanna talk about it, you know what I mean? And that always b- I'm like, all right, I'm gonna hit a certain number.
[01:26:37] I'm gonna show 'em that screenshot, and then I hit that number, and then I show it to them and they're like, my mom drops a sick line. She, she looks at it. I'm thinking like she's gonna be like impressed 'cause they've never made more than that. And, and, you know, she goes, "Awesome. Now make 10 times that and, and let me know."
[01:26:55] Mm. That was the text back.
[01:26:56] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:26:57] Katherine: Damn.
[01:26:57] Denis: And I, and I, I sat back and I just laugh. I'm like, "Blah, you know, all this shit, I'm, I'm, I'm finally doing this shit, and it still doesn't matter." You know what I mean? Mm. You still don't get the pat on the back that you, that you're hoping for, and then you realize like little by little- None of that
[01:27:11] Eldar: matters
[01:27:11] Denis: none of, none of, it's all a bunch of bullshit. The, you know- Yeah ... no, I mean, not, not to say my daughter, but like y- nobody's g- nobody gives a fuck about it, about- Yeah ... uh, y- you, you can't live for somebody else to like be like- Yeah ... "Wow," you know? Like, nobody cares, you know? Yeah. 'Cause it's just, it doesn't mean anything.
[01:27:30] So yeah. So anyways, I, I got a little fucking- Mm-hmm ... I don't know, a little sappy with all that, but like yeah, I think, and, and then, and then- Yeah, I
[01:27:34] Eldar: almost
[01:27:35] Denis: broke a tear here. That comes into you guys where it's like you, you know, when you started f- showing friction in those years- Mm ... when I wanted, I'm like, "No, I'm gonna..."
[01:27:44] And you're like, "I'm coming around with who am I concepts or this or that," and you're like, "Bro, like this is horseshit." You know? Yeah. I still remember those li- I start resenting you. Mm-hmm. And then of course you got your squad that they're also s- Mm-hmm ... saying the same tune
[01:27:58] Eldar: The peanut gallery I
[01:27:59] Denis: think they call them
[01:27:59] and I'm just like, "Bro, like, I, it's the same shit of like nobody, nobody, you know, like I just can't, I just can't get that pat on the back that I'm hoping for." Mm. Again, I'm talking subconsciously. It's not like I'm actively understanding that at, at those moments. And so yeah, I think in the past year more so is when I really kinda came, all these things started happening and you, life hits you, and you just, you, you, you know, in this new season good things happen, but you realize it matters and it was...
[01:28:24] Like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't take anything back of the new season. Uh, you know? Yeah. It's a lot of great things that happened, but you look back and you're like, "All right, none of that really is like..." It, it, it's still, you know, important to
[01:28:41] Eldar: Yeah ...
[01:28:41] Denis: and it wasn't, you know what I mean? Yeah. It was- The social
[01:28:43] Eldar: dynamic of,
[01:28:43] Denis: yes ... it wa- it's actually the essence of life.
[01:28:44] Eldar: Correct. You know
[01:28:45] Denis: what I
[01:28:45] Eldar: mean? Correct. And we talked a lot about that, too. So
[01:28:47] Denis: yeah.
[01:28:47] Eldar: Uh, but we've never done this ever in the history of Dennis Rocks! podcast. But today is a special day because Dennis is back.
[01:28:55] No, not really. Um, we never have done this before.
[01:28:59] Mike: Yeah. This is a f- first, uh,
[01:29:01] Eldar: attempt. This is the first. Yeah, this is interesting. Okay? What I'm gonna say right now.
[01:29:04] Mike: Yeah.
[01:29:04] Eldar: Okay? Are you excited? I'm thrilled. You're thrilled, okay. Uh, and, and I'm gonna read his mind here. I'm gonna help him out here. What we're gonna do right now is- Take a 15-minute break to eat, yes
[01:29:16] have food intermission.
[01:29:18] Denis: Oh yeah, that's-
[01:29:19] Eldar: How sick is this?
[01:29:20] Denis: Yeah.
[01:29:20] Katherine: Yeah.
[01:29:20] Eldar: This is sick. Oh, you don't ever had
[01:29:21] Denis: an
[01:29:21] Katherine: intermission? I appreciate
[01:29:22] Eldar: this. We never had intermission. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, Dennis, listen. I'm always down for a food break Just for the record, guys, Dennis brought us, uh, an offering we will call it.
[01:29:28] Denis: The amount of an hour of- Sushi
[01:29:29] me rambling everybody needs an
[01:29:31] Eldar: intermission, you
[01:29:31] Denis: know? Yes. So.
[01:29:33] Eldar: All right, guys, we're back from the intermission. We had some sushi that Dennis, um, offered us.
[01:29:39] Katherine: Provided.
[01:29:40] Eldar: Peace offering. Peace offering, yeah, which was very nice. Thank you, Dennis. Thank
[01:29:43] Denis: you.
[01:29:43] Katherine: No, no,
[01:29:44] Denis: thank you, guys.
[01:29:44] Eldar: Thank you. And now we'll go back straight to the gauntlet, as you called it, right?
[01:29:48] Uh, Dennis, uh, in that, in that voice note, um, one thing I was gonna ask you about, you kept saying the word like I owe it, uh, I owe it to our friendship or like I owe it, I owe it- To the history of your friendship ... to the history or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, you kept saying that. Like, what did, what did you mean by that?
[01:30:07] Like, to try and make things work, like wh- why, why that angle? Like, what, what is that? Is that like-
[01:30:11] Denis: Maybe that didn't make sense when I said it, but- Um-
[01:30:14] Eldar: You don't have to touch that.
[01:30:15] Denis: Yeah, I can't see you when you're asking me like- Oh.
[01:30:17] Eldar: Oh, okay. Okay, yeah. All right, cool.
[01:30:19] Denis: Yeah. Uh, you got me low over here. Yeah.
[01:30:21] It's like a lo- low rider. Um, like everything I mentioned, right? You, you were a big part of my life and, and, you know, from, from 15 years old, all this stuff. Yeah. What I meant was that like I owe it to- To that
[01:30:36] Eldar: Mm-hmm. W- why? Why do you owe that to that? Like, what, what
[01:30:39] Denis: is this- It's just how I feel, you know? I don't know, like, just
[01:30:41] Eldar: Oh, okay.
[01:30:42] Just, uh- So it's not really thought through.
[01:30:43] Denis: No, it is- Because it's just- ... thought through. It's just, you know, it's, it's, it's not so much about you, right? It's not like-
[01:30:48] Eldar: Yeah ...
[01:30:49] Denis: it's about
[01:30:52] Eldar: Like the history
[01:30:52] Denis: thing? Like the sentimental- I analyzed the feeling,
[01:30:53] Eldar: right?
[01:30:53] Denis: Mm-hmm. That, that n- you know, never went away. Kinda was like always like a un- unsettling, like a-
[01:31:01] Eldar: Mm-hmm
[01:31:02] Denis: sore spot. And, uh, I just felt like, all right, like, you know, 'cause I debated like the, you know, reach out or not reach out, you know? Yeah. 'Cause, you know, I know, I know how it looks, you know? Yeah. It, it looks a little, you know, um
[01:31:16] Eldar: I'm surprised you, you took so long.
[01:31:19] Denis: Yeah.
[01:31:20] Eldar: You know?
[01:31:20] Denis: Yeah.
[01:31:21] Katherine: I thought he wasn't coming back.
[01:31:22] I was surprised that he did reach
[01:31:23] Eldar: out. No, I, I knew that- So we totally- ... there was gonna be some kind of a thing.
[01:31:26] Katherine: Mm.
[01:31:26] Eldar: I did know that. I felt it. I felt it. So- Like, like maybe you, you had, like, those moments, I had moments of, like, I almost feel like he's having a conversation with me without having a conversation with me.
[01:31:36] I felt it.
[01:31:37] Mike: Really? Oh, wow.
[01:31:37] Eldar: Yes, because, like, when he said, like, "Oh, I was actually finally, uh, hashing out, like, like, the conversation that we had at the bar," I felt him hashing that out and not understanding where I was going and why he didn't take, like, like, "Hey, bro," like, like, "What do you want?" Like, "What do you actually want?"
[01:31:52] When, when did
[01:31:52] Denis: you feel that?
[01:31:53] Eldar: Uh, couple months ago, and you actually came into my dream a, like, a week ago. Yep. Like, a w- uh, uh, three days or two days before you reached out to me, you came into my dream. No. And how it was, it's almost like he was in the window looking into the podcast.
[01:32:08] Katherine: That's crazy.
[01:32:09] Denis: All right.
[01:32:09] Can I say something? Seriously?
[01:32:10] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:32:10] Denis: I swear to God. Yeah. Listen, listen to this. Listen to this.
[01:32:12] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:32:13] Denis: You know how I said every two months it would kinda like-
[01:32:16] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:32:16] Denis: So this time, again, it's about a, it was probably, like, a month and a half, two months, whatever it is- Yeah ... since the last time, like, I thought, I think about something.
[01:32:23] You know, I, I suppress it. Yeah. I keep going. Three, f- I c- I would have to, I could tell you exactly when. Asli would know, but, like, three, four days before-
[01:32:30] Eldar: Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. That's exactly what I, what happened to me ...
[01:32:33] Denis: I wake up- Yeah ... in the middle of the night-
[01:32:35] Eldar: Mm-hmm ...
[01:32:36] Denis: from a dream, and I'm like, I wake up, 'cause I sleep on the couch because, uh- Yeah
[01:32:41] um, the kid co-sleeps, which is a bad thing, but whatever. Uh-
[01:32:46] Eldar: What did you say?
[01:32:47] Denis: The kid
[01:32:47] Katherine: sleeps in my bed. It's a parenting ter- Oh, okay. Okay ...
[01:32:50] Denis: uh, it's, like, a parenting thing. Yeah. Uh, we never, Asli didn't wanna do the cr- crying out method. She didn't wanna traumatize him that we're permanently screwed. No crap.
[01:32:57] Eldar: Yeah. Don't worry, we have a kid sleeping in our bed, too.
[01:33:00] Katherine: Yeah.
[01:33:01] Eldar: But her name's Penny.
[01:33:02] Denis: Yeah.
[01:33:02] Eldar: That's a full, like, luggage case. We have the same kid. Yeah, it's a hairy one. She's a hairy one, yeah. A 45-
[01:33:06] Katherine: With a full of white hair ... a 45-pound,
[01:33:07] Denis: uh, situation. No, but listen, which is, it's actually pretty crazy, just, I mean, whatever.
[01:33:11] I, you know, I'm not a very metaphysical guy anymore. Me, yeah. Swami days are over. But three days, I'm not joking. Yeah. Three days before that, I wake up, and you were in my dream, and it was, like, a weird thing of, like, I wake up and I'm like, "Oh, what the fuck?" Like, you know? Yeah. 'Cause I'm like, "Why, why this cat?"
[01:33:25] You know what I mean? Yeah.
[01:33:26] Katherine: Why
[01:33:26] Denis: him? And we were, we were walking out of somewhere, and, like, we dap up and we were like, it, it was like a, it was like a f- a moment of just, like, it wasn't a memory. It was something new. But it was like, it was like we were, we were just ha- like, everything was good. We just hung out.
[01:33:41] Like, we were just laughing- No, that's it ... about something. Yeah. And every, and it was, like, a really good feeling of just like, "All right, yo, holler at me later," blah, blah, blah. And that was it. And now wait, I'm like, "What the hell is this?" And then, and then- And you
[01:33:51] Eldar: told Asli ...
[01:33:52] Denis: the first thing I do- Uh-huh ... is I do what I do every few months.
[01:33:55] I, I, it's 4:30 in the morning.
[01:33:57] Eldar: Uh-huh.
[01:33:57] Denis: This is three days before, so it looks like you had the dream at the same time.
[01:34:00] Eldar: Yes.
[01:34:01] Katherine: That's crazy.
[01:34:01] Denis: I, it's 4:30 in the morning. Yeah. I can't go back to sleep. He's look- i, in my dream it was like- Your podcast
[01:34:07] Eldar: You see that?
[01:34:08] Katherine: So you went to the podcast And
[01:34:08] Eldar: for my, in my dream- Oh, that's what it was
[01:34:11] it was him looking through the window, like standing like somewhere right there, looking into the podcast- Mm-hmm ... in my head. That's crazy. And I woke up, I was like, "Oh, shit. What the fuck?" Wow. You know what I'm saying?
[01:34:19] Katherine: So you were... So what you did after your dream- That's so sick ... was go to the podcast, and
[01:34:24] Denis: then you dreamt it.
[01:34:24] Went on the podcast to look for my name, and the stupid thing, whatever reason, you guys, the Apple Podcast no longer has the transcript -
[01:34:29] Eldar: Yeah ...
[01:34:30] Denis: for like... And I, I'm like, "Blah, I can't do it," you know?
[01:34:33] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:34:33] Denis: And then I just like-
[01:34:34] Eldar: Oh ...
[01:34:35] Denis: tried. I'm like, "All right, I'll skip through it. I'll wa- I could skip this like 30 seconds at a time.
[01:34:38] These cats are gonna say something about me." I did it. I did it for like 20 minutes. Sick. Couldn't, couldn't see anything. You realize how crazy that is. And I couldn't go to sleep, and I went outside for a walk. Mm-hmm. 5:00 AM in the morning. Wow. It was still dark. And I'm like, I'm like, I was... It w- you know, I'm like- That's when
[01:34:51] Eldar: you made a decision?
[01:34:52] Denis: No. Oh. But that was, that was what triggered this-
[01:34:54] Eldar: Okay ...
[01:34:55] Denis: episode. Yeah. Where I was wa- I'm like, "Nah." Like I'm tr- I, I have to like convince my- I'm like, "Bro, just, it's okay. It was just a dream." You
[01:35:03] Mike: still talking to Dennis?
[01:35:04] Denis: But that's pretty wild. All, all, whatever, all shit- I'm not,
[01:35:06] Mike: I'm not joking.
[01:35:07] Denis: I'm telling you
[01:35:07] that's pretty wild. Yeah. Same, same day,
[01:35:09] Katherine: three, four- It was a couple of days before- So you guys didn't have this conversation about the dreams or anything- No ... until right now?
[01:35:12] Mike: No. No. There was definitely like a full moon that-
[01:35:14] Katherine: What? ...
[01:35:14] Eldar: like, like, that week,
[01:35:15] Denis: right? I honestly would definitely would like explain that to us- Yeah
[01:35:17] 'cause I'm not a big, like physical guy. Yeah. You know what I mean?
[01:35:19] Eldar: Like I said, I, I've had conversations throughout these three years, like quick conversations in my head with him where it's like it kind of rehashed like that conversation because I was baffled by the way it ended. I was baffled by what he was saying.
[01:35:31] Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? So like there was like a continuation. It was clearly like the way it was left off was weird.
[01:35:36] Denis: Yeah.
[01:35:36] Eldar: You know what I mean? Yeah. It was
[01:35:37] Denis: like-
[01:35:37] Eldar: It was
[01:35:37] Denis: like, it was like a weird, yeah, like-
[01:35:39] Eldar: You know? ...
[01:35:39] Denis: open-ended.
[01:35:40] Eldar: Open-ended, and he had no direction. He just came, said the s- stuff he said. I'm like, "Okay, and now what?"
[01:35:45] You know? And he had no answer.
[01:35:46] Denis: We walked out
[01:35:47] Eldar: of that- So I'm like- We walked out- How could he... Like I'm like, how could he not get it, like what I was telling him- Mm-hmm ... where I was leading it to, you know? Like- But what
[01:35:53] Denis: were you leading it to? You were leading it to
[01:35:55] Eldar: like, um- Well, no, what you actually wanted to say is like- You know
[01:35:57] "Yeah, like I miss you. Like we should just fucking forget about it. Keep it moving" kind of thing. Well,
[01:36:01] Denis: see, the irony of it is- Mm ... the way that you were doing it.
[01:36:03] Eldar: You know?
[01:36:04] Denis: Was I was like, all right, he's leading it to like, yo, like, like what the fuck we doing here? Like we don't fuck with each other
[01:36:08] Eldar: type thing.
[01:36:09] Well, because you, you gave a list, bro. You went, you like, you went into this timeline thing. Oh, yeah. I remember this. Yeah. Remember I told you guys, right? He went line by line- You
[01:36:16] Katherine: checked box by box. Yeah ...
[01:36:16] Eldar: of what happened- Yeah, remember ... of all the wrongdoings of me. I had no chance to really speak about anything, so I was like, "All right, D, like you said you're shit, like so, so-" No, we,
[01:36:24] Denis: that's not, that's not fair.
[01:36:25] You talked, we talked, both talked
[01:36:26] Eldar: extensively. Yeah, but like mostly like- It was like three and a half
[01:36:28] Denis: hours ...
[01:36:28] Eldar: I, I didn't come there to shit on him. Mm. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But-
[01:36:31] Denis: I didn't shit on you, but I definitely came with a, a list of ammo.
[01:36:34] Katherine: Need a laundry list.
[01:36:35] Eldar: He had ammo, bro. Yeah.
[01:36:36] Denis: You
[01:36:36] Eldar: know? So that's why I was like-
[01:36:37] Denis: It was weird.
[01:36:38] In that meeting there was- Yeah ... I don't know if you remember all this anymore. Like there was, there was times where you were really hot. Like you were like, "Yeah, we don't fuck with each other. What the fuck we doing here?" Like you were yelling. People were looking.
[01:36:47] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:36:48] Denis: Be like, "Yo, what- I don't remember that, but yeah
[01:36:49] what the fuck we doing here, bro?"
[01:36:49] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:36:50] Denis: And I'm like, "Bro, like if you wanna go, like you could go," you know what I mean? Yeah. Like I'm not gonna... You know,
[01:37:02] I felt like- Yeah ... you
[01:37:06] For me, it almost felt like, oh shit, like it's like it was weird. It was like we're back like, like just hanging out again for the... And like for five minutes, and then it goes hot again. And, and at the end we come out, and then I did say one thing towards the end. I'm like, "I always had love for you, bro," but it was like, kind of like we're looking at the screens.
[01:37:24] It was kind of like a side thing. You say nothing, and I'm like, all right, like I don't know what it is. 'Cause I, again, I didn't have the direction for it. I didn't set a proper intention. And we walk out, and then we dap up, and you're like, you make some comment about like, "Yeah, you see I got new Teslas, you know, I'm the boss," or something.
[01:37:38] You know, you tried to whatever- ... make a... Yeah. Like he's m- he's making a joke. And, and we dap up, and you're like, "Good seeing you, bro," you know? 'Cause the whole thing was about like you don't do small talk, and the way you ended that was like, "Yeah, good seeing you, bro." And we dap up. Yeah. And I walk back to the car.
[01:37:52] We went like separate ways in the parking lot, and I, I went back to the car and like I just started like tearing. I- Mm. And that was it. I went in the car. Mm. I'm like, "Man up, son." But I, I- People are watching ... we dapped up and it was like- People are watching, yeah. They might recognize me. They might
[01:38:06] Katherine: recognize
[01:38:07] Denis: me.
[01:38:07] I just started, I just started like, like tearing up, and then I just drove home, and here we are two years later.
[01:38:13] Eldar: Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Well, three or two years there after that, yeah. From that
[01:38:16] Denis: meeting. Three years later- From that meeting, yeah ... from the end. Yeah. Two years later from the meeting. Wow. But yeah.
[01:38:22] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:38:23] Anyway, so- Serious ... I
[01:38:24] Denis: don't know.
[01:38:24] Katherine: You know, you, you predicted a few things. You predicted that he would be listening in. Maybe not like every episode, but like you predicted that he would listen.
[01:38:31] Eldar: Well, just because he's a nosy fucker. Yeah, that's- Yeah, he's just like, he's like a, like a, um... What do they call him?
[01:38:37] Lurkers. Lurkers
[01:38:38] Katherine: But, but you also predicted- Yeah ... that he would speak to, uh, you know, my, my, my ex-friend You
[01:38:44] Eldar: really? You predicted it? Yeah, of course.
[01:38:45] Katherine: Yeah, you predicted e- exactly how, like, the little... That's when he said something Yeah, but that's easy. That's easy
[01:38:49] Eldar: to say.
[01:38:49] Denis: That's easy to predict With that, I would...
[01:38:50] Uh, to be honest, well, we didn't go far with that because she would, you know, they would invite us to their things. And like, again, it's on the list of Dennis Pasca's your dad and this and that, where it was, to me, it was that scenario. I was trying so hard to just, like, live my life. To
[01:39:02] Katherine: cut, cut away.
[01:39:03] Denis: And Peter liked me a lot.
[01:39:05] Katherine: Yes.
[01:39:06] Denis: And Buddy would- Yeah, he did ... hit me up all the time. Yeah. Like, "Hey, how you doing?" And I was just like, every time, like- Yeah,
[01:39:10] Katherine: he like- ...
[01:39:10] Denis: I, I can't tell him. I'm like, "Peter, like, you're associated with this past that I'm no longer..." Like, just- Yeah ... I, uh, you're a very nice guy, but I couldn't, I couldn't, you know?
[01:39:18] Yeah. So like, yeah, good guy. You're a good man. You know? He's a nice... I don't know what everything else happened, but like- Mm-hmm ... he's nice. He's a nice guy. Shout out to Peter. Maybe we should- If you're listening Peter.
[01:39:28] Katherine: Oh.
[01:39:28] Denis: Yeah.
[01:39:28] Eldar: Sorry. Not sorry. Anyways. The fuck?
[01:39:32] Denis: But anyways, yeah,
[01:39:33] Eldar: so. Yo, you're getting a shout-out on our fucking podcast.
[01:39:35] Shut up. You
[01:39:36] Denis: crazy. But to, to, to, uh, to, to piggyback on what you said, how about this? Y- yes, once in a while, I would check in, like I said, when I were f- like, there was, like, every few months, I like, uh, just looking for my name, but I never... Maybe, like, one or two that I actually listened in full.
[01:39:50] Katherine: Mm-hmm.
[01:39:50] Denis: Not for the reason that you think, but because I knew that deep down, bl- bets were being placed that I'm, like, a listener.
[01:39:58] So I subconsciously was like, "Yeah, I'm gonna prove everybody wrong. I gotta listen to this shit."
[01:40:02] Katherine: I'm not gonna listen. Yeah,
[01:40:03] Denis: I only do the keyword research, you
[01:40:05] Katherine: know? Yeah. That's good. That's funny. But yeah. So how... So did, how did you find out about The Static? Like, My Static? Like, did you just listen to that episode and then realize, "Oh, okay, maybe this is this person"?
[01:40:16] One of those
[01:40:16] Denis: moments. I'll be transparent. Uh-huh. One of those moments. Um, I, I... That part, I think it was about a year ago, if I'm not mistaken, or like four or something, you guys had that episode. And then I had one of my check-ins l- looking for my name, and that episode was up, like, maybe, uh, that... It wasn't, like, the newest episode, but it was, like, one of the episodes.
[01:40:35] And I click on that, and my name is in there.
[01:40:37] Katherine: Yeah, I
[01:40:38] Denis: mentioned it, yeah. And you're taking shots at me, you. Mm.
[01:40:40] Katherine: Yeah.
[01:40:40] Denis: I was like, "Damn, Kat." You know what I mean?
[01:40:41] Katherine: I think I remember what I said, exactly.
[01:40:43] Denis: You guys put me in a, um, victimhood, the me, Nate, and, and, uh, her. We're, uh, play... We love the victim role. Mm.
[01:40:50] But anyways, uh, I hear that, and then I was like, I got... I'm like, "I... Fuck 'em. You know, fuck 'em all." But I j- I always look for the fuel to just be like, "Ah,
[01:40:59] Katherine: fuck 'em," 'cause- It's the fuel to, to, to give you- Yeah. Yeah ... like, "Okay, I made the right decision. I walked away." And we're giving you enough fuel, that's
[01:41:03] Denis: for sure.
[01:41:03] We do. I went about my life. I think it was a couple months, and she hits up, honestly, I don't know for what. But they would talk sometimes on Instagram just like, you know, basic shit and then like, "Hey, how you doing?" Whatever. Um, and then And then I think Asli was like, "Hey, hi, how's it going?" Blah, blah, blah.
[01:41:22] You know, and then, and then she's... A- and then I think Asli asked her, like, you know, how's she... And he's like, "Oh, yeah, no," like mentioned you, that you guys aren't friends anymore. Mm. Uh, so that's how... Long story short, that's all I know. I don't know- Mm. And then, and then she didn't disclose more, and we haven't-
[01:41:39] Eldar: So, so then you went and, and listened to the full episode?
[01:41:41] Katherine: Oh, did you
[01:41:41] Denis: go back to that episode then? That one, that one, I, I- Yeah ... I don't know if I listened to it all the way, but I definitely listened- Yeah ... to the segment up until, like, I exhausted the opportunity for my name to come back in the sequence. Yeah. You were just
[01:41:50] Katherine: waiting for your name. Yeah. Oh, okay.
[01:41:51] Denis: I see.
[01:41:51] Yes, yes, yes. No, I mean, I, you know, I would listen to- That's funny ... you know, try to, you know, see what you guys think about me. Mm. But yeah, so, so yeah. Well, was
[01:41:59] Mike: that a, a... It sounds like you just had a one moment that it just clicked, right? 'Cause it sounds like recently you were, like, still like a-
[01:42:05] Denis: Well, it, it, it-
[01:42:06] Mike: thinking about that ...
[01:42:07] Denis: it's one of those things, like, like, I, I... If I'm being honest, I, this sat on me always. And I never, I never badmouthed anybody. Like, Asli would, like, sometimes, you know, you guys come up, and I'd be like, "Yeah, yeah, it happened like this. I wish this, I wish this didn't happen," you know? And I explained like, yeah, I wasn't even trying to, like, leave the friendship off the f- the, the, the picture and the name thing.
[01:42:26] It just, it happened that way 'cause, you know, he never responded, and I, I took it as like, all right, like he's taking that as, as it is. So I always felt off about it, and it was one of those things for three years. If I'm being honest, it was like a unhealed, like, wound. Like, I got everything I want, you know, in my life.
[01:42:43] Mm. Like, and, and, and that was like... I, I couldn't escape it. I don't know, I don't know how to explain it, you know. Maybe you guys, you guys are the philosophy minds, you know? You guys-
[01:42:52] Eldar: No, I, I- Like- ... no, I think that if you, if you really zoom in on an identity that you've developed with this friend group, you know what I mean?
[01:42:58] It's a big staple of who you are and why you are and where you had fun a lot of the times. And I think that you grew also. Like, you grew a lot of the times f- with us. We all grew together through these discussions, you know what I mean? Despite the fact that, yeah, sure, we fought, but, like, through those fights we found truths.
[01:43:15] Through those fights we fucking saw who we are and what our intentions was and everything else, you know? Like, we proved ourselves. Like, I mean, there's so much baked in into that, that like, yeah, there is history. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, uh, yeah, I don't think you could just close that kind of thing.
[01:43:30] Yeah. You know what I mean? Just, just like whatever kind of thing without, um, constantly kind of replaying and rethinking, like, like what actually happened. Yeah. Especially if you feel like it was a pride and ego thing. Mm-hmm. 'Cause then that, that shit will eat you up for a long time. Yeah. It sound- You know what I
[01:43:44] Toliy: mean?
[01:43:44] Yeah. It sounds like to me it was like a three-year battle versus himself-
[01:43:48] Eldar: Yeah ...
[01:43:48] Toliy: the whole time-
[01:43:49] Eldar: Yeah ... to try
[01:43:50] Toliy: to, you know.
[01:43:50] Eldar: Yeah. And I think that he- Yeah. That's growth ... like he said, he needed to gr- go through the growth, through all the stuff that he needed to go through in order to finally circle back and say, "Yo, like, what the fuck?"
[01:43:58] Like, you know what I mean? Like, what's actually important,
[01:44:01] Denis: you know? Everything was just like... It was like a, it's like a... It was like a stain, you know? Like- Well, I, I'm watching UFC and I'm like, "These motherfuckers watching the same shit right now," you know?
[01:44:11] Katherine: You know, like, um- It's like an ex-girlfriend that you can't get over.
[01:44:13] Denis: It's- Right?
[01:44:14] Katherine: Yeah, it
[01:44:14] Eldar: sounds like
[01:44:15] Denis: Billy. Per- it's perfect.
[01:44:16] Katherine: Yeah.
[01:44:16] Eldar: So
[01:44:17] Denis: that's
[01:44:18] Katherine: it. My... Back to my other- Yeah, no, but listen,
[01:44:19] Eldar: you don't compare us to that, babe- Sorry ... because the- Yeah ... usually you can't get over the girlfriend- That's exactly- ... it's like toxic shit that happened, you know?
[01:44:25] Katherine: No, it's... That was a sneeze.
[01:44:26] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:44:26] Katherine: Thank you.
[01:44:27] Eldar: With an irresistible girlfriend
[01:44:28] Katherine: that was- No, I, I think it's, it's a fair- Yeah ... it's a, just a comparison.
[01:44:30] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:44:31] Katherine: You know? All right.
[01:44:32] Eldar: Um,
[01:44:33] Denis: couldn't, couldn't... I'll be honest. I could come in here and be like, "Yeah, yeah, I'm just, you know-"
[01:44:36] Eldar: But, uh- ... I'm like, "Yeah, the shit was like," you know. But ultimately, ultimately do you...
[01:44:39] Like, my, my, my interesting thing in having this meeting with you and having this podcast that you called for, was to ask you whether or not, like, do you get, like, our agenda? Or do you understand me and my... and, or, like, the, what the purpose is and what, like, the actual gig is?
[01:44:55] Denis: Um.
[01:44:56] Eldar: Like, did you get it? Or, like, like, do you understand my intentions, Toliy's intentions- You know, Deven-
[01:45:01] everyone else's? Obviously
[01:45:02] Katherine: he doesn't understand it, then
[01:45:03] Denis: we went wrong.
[01:45:07] Eldar: When, when he got home from that- Yeah, no, like- M- Miller's ... I think that's important because, like, it's important to know whether or not, like, you agree with that, and if you don't, then we might not still be compatible.
[01:45:13] Katherine: I think that was your stance that night- Yeah ... that you guys had that meeting. Uh-huh. When he got home, we spoke about it, and I think ultimately that's where he stood.
[01:45:20] It's like, if he doesn't fuck with us and he doesn't... So then, I don't know, like, there's nothing to g- g- we're grasping at straws here, and I think ultimately- When, when the f- f- uh, the, when you're not, uh, fundamentally similar, whether it's a relationship, whether it's romantic- No- ... friendship or whatever, it, it, it kind of falls apart.
[01:45:40] Eldar: Lovey-
[01:45:40] Katherine: You know?
[01:45:41] Eldar: I think, I think that it's important to say similarities and talk about them, but they're not the glue that brings it all together. I think at the end of the day, me and you are very different, babe, right? Mm-hmm. But you understand my intention, and I understand- Right ... your intention, right?
[01:45:54] Katherine: Yes, yes.
[01:45:55] Eldar: And ultimately, that's what ultimately binds us, I think. Yeah. That you get it that, like, I am a friendly.
[01:46:00] Katherine: Yes.
[01:46:01] Eldar: Okay? Yeah,
[01:46:01] Katherine: yeah.
[01:46:02] Eldar: But sometimes I will be the enemy to your ego, to your pride, and stuff like that, because that's- Oh, yeah ... the role I play.
[01:46:06] Katherine: Yeah, brand new.
[01:46:07] Eldar: And sometimes you will be my challenge as well because of the way you are.
[01:46:10] Katherine: Mm-hmm.
[01:46:10] Eldar: You know what I'm saying? But ultimately we're here together why? Because it feels fucking good, right?
[01:46:16] Katherine: Yeah.
[01:46:17] Eldar: That's why we've been together for 17 years, and I'm not, like, clicking the unsubscribe button or kicking you out of the house or s- vice versa. Mm-hmm. 'Cause we love each other and we still have that growing, and we, uh, I'd like to continue growing that for at least 30 years like I promised.
[01:46:32] So, so 13 more. 13 more, and then we have to, you know, reevaluate. We do evaluate. Yeah, reevaluate, yeah. So we gotta be on our best behavior. Look at her smiling, you know? But that's what I'm saying, that at the end of the day- I'm a criminal ... if we don't... Yes.
[01:46:48] Katherine: I'm a criminal.
[01:46:48] Eldar: Yeah. This is when we talked about that thick skin.
[01:46:51] If you don't know- Mm ... right? If you don't have carry the thick skin and you really don't know what the intention is behind everything that we do, of course you're gonna take shit personally. Of course you're gonna have your panties in a bunch.
[01:47:01] Mike: Mm-hmm.
[01:47:01] Eldar: You know what I mean? If you miss the plot, yeah, that's what's gonna happen.
[01:47:06] Yeah. You know? Like, do you get it now, or do you see it now, or have you come to the conclusion that we actually do mean well- Well- ... as best as we could?
[01:47:14] Denis: I think that's why when I say about the, uh, the seasons of the 21, 22, 23 years. Before that, I, I always, it, I got it, right? That's why we meshed for so long.
[01:47:23] I always had my own... I'm me, right? I'm, I'm not you. Yeah. I'm not Mike. I'm, you know, I had my own version that, like you said, you could still be different and, and find that common ground. But overall, of course, I always understood the value, you know. There's a reason why I always say like, "Oh yeah, Maserati, the Maserati," you know?
[01:47:39] Mm-hmm. Remember? Yeah. I would always...
[01:47:43] Yeah, because there was a clearly an understanding about, uh, the value of, of what you brought, of what you built, uh, of what you guys are as well. You know, again, I, I'll be honest with you, I did take that with, uh- I'm, I probably hated too much on that. Like, for example- Mm ... especially again, in that same season as I'm kinda transitioning, you guys got real tight.
[01:48:09] Eldar: Mm-hmm.
[01:48:09] Denis: Like, you became from just... 'Cause there was many years before the podcast became a thing, like me and you just chopping it up one-on-one.
[01:48:18] Eldar: Mm-hmm.
[01:48:18] Denis: At your house while Catherine's sleeping. I'm- ... gnawing your ear off about the latest fucking problem, whatever. Uh, and then this podcast came and it kinda solidified this like, all right, this is the unity.
[01:48:29] We're doing this. Like, it's, it's, it's, it's not Eldar, it's, uh, Eldar and the homies. Like, we're- Yeah ... Eldar is all these people.
[01:48:37] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:48:37] Denis: Uh, and there was probably some selfishness at that time as well, obviously, of like- Uh, you've probably heard this. I think you said other people have told you this before, like, I, I liked you one-on-one.
[01:48:49] Mike: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I remember you said this.
[01:48:50] Denis: Somebody else said that.
[01:48:51] Mike: Yeah. You said this. Yeah. You said, "Il- I definitely said- ... Ilya used to tell me
[01:48:53] Denis: this too." Right, you said somebody over your passing. Yeah. Um, because we knew you probably, Ilya felt the same way, is like we developed that one-on-one where there's just that pure vulnerable, pure like, like you, you're not- There's no act even for, not to say that you're putting on an act, but an act of, like, you're not trolling for the crowd.
[01:49:11] You're not- You know what I mean? It's
[01:49:12] Eldar: my favorite.
[01:49:13] Denis: Like, the he- the, you know what I mean? Yeah, it is. And so when it transitioned to just now it's, it's always that unit, you start hating on the other parts of that unit, you know?
[01:49:25] Eldar: Mm-hmm.
[01:49:25] Denis: Even though now I look back and I can realize, like, go, "Wow," like, that was just, like, 'cause I got my...
[01:49:30] I also got my own, right? Like- Mm-hmm ... and, and, and I need, that's what I'm saying. It was just so blurry. It was, I didn't understand how to manage the roles and the seasons. Like, I, I got my, my, my, my wife, my fa- like, I got my unit, too. You know what I mean? Like- Yeah ... um, but it doesn't, it doesn't mean that you can't ha- like, life is not black and white, you know what I mean?
[01:49:48] Like, you can have, you know, I was just looking at it in, like, a weird black and white thing of, like, I don't even know, just, like, it has to be my way. Like, I miss the old Eldar. That was a lot. That was a big, um, if you ask Asli back in those, that tho- that, that right before it all ended, that was a recurring theme of, like, "I wish, I miss the old Eldar.
[01:50:09] I don't know, like, blah, blah, blah," you know? Like, because the more I became s- like, this kinda guh- gunky person and then- Mm-hmm ... you matched it with-
[01:50:18] Eldar: Yeah ...
[01:50:19] Denis: not with susie you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like bestie buddies. M- Yeah ... you matched it with more aggression.
[01:50:24] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:50:24] Denis: Meaning like, "All right, you wanna be a dickhead?
[01:50:26] I'll be a dickhead." Mm-hmm. Y- you don't, you ain't gon- you ain't gonna like mine, you know?
[01:50:29] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:50:29] Denis: And then you kept, you know, and then that just spiraled to, like, "All right, this is not, you know, that's why I was-" I did a good
[01:50:35] Eldar: job.
[01:50:36] Denis: Yeah. Yeah. You know-
[01:50:38] Eldar: Listen, speaking of your unit, you, you mentioned Asli and, you know, I, I've give, I've given plenty of props to Asli, but how much of a, of a role does she play in guiding you back on the principles of fun?
[01:50:48] Because I always remembered and I always said, like, "Yo, she's good because of the fact that she gets us." Like, she's fun-
[01:50:54] Toliy: Mm-hmm ...
[01:50:54] Eldar: and she values fun, you know what I mean? And as long as you don't kill that with that seriousness, it's good. You know what I mean? And, like, you said that. You're like, she, she even mentioned to you, she said, "Hey, you're always fucking serious.
[01:51:06] Like, when you gonna have fun and shit?" Like, you know what I mean? Like, how much of a role does she play in this? Because, like, like, I always, like, thought that she was, like, about fun.
[01:51:14] Denis: Yeah, no, and
[01:51:14] Eldar: we- And that's big for me ...
[01:51:15] Denis: we've been together- Yeah ... six and a half years, so she's, she's my best friend, and we, you know, I troll her, she trolls me.
[01:51:20] We have fun. You, you, you, with, you gotta understand, we have also a dynamic where at times it's not easy, where we're together 24/7. Mm-hmm.
[01:51:27] Katherine: Mm-hmm.
[01:51:28] Denis: Raising this kid, it, it's a zoo sometimes, you know? Sometimes I just, I was like, I was looking at co-working spaces just to, like, yo, I think I gotta, you know? Like, this, this whole- We got a room,
[01:51:37] Eldar: we
[01:51:38] Katherine: got a room, right, Tolya?
[01:51:38] So you're saying you wanna take Tommy's desk? No,
[01:51:40] Eldar: what? What do you mean? We
[01:51:40] Denis: can make
[01:51:41] Eldar: him pay
[01:51:41] Denis: for it. That, that, that was like a s- I didn't mean to set it up like a, you know- No, I'm just kidding ... I, I, I meant that literally- No, what do you mean? ... was looking at your, uh- No, we're opportunists, right, Mike? Uh- 100%.
[01:51:45] Yeah. We're business people. Tolya, how much? Mano Brook.
[01:51:50] Katherine: It's
[01:51:50] Denis: kinda great, right? Oh, yeah.
[01:51:51] Eldar: A
[01:51:51] Denis: grand,
[01:51:52] Eldar: okay.
[01:51:52] Denis: Regis. Mm-hmm. Regis. I was like, they calling me and shit. A grand? Tolya
[01:51:54] Eldar: just said it. Yo, I got a really nice, uh- He said two grand. Oh, two grand, okay.
[01:51:57] Denis: Two grand a month? That's pretty- Oh my gosh, he is greedy.
[01:52:01] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, um- Uh, uh, so we, but I am st- yeah, she, she definitely, she would s- like, we were talking about it this week. She's like, "I'm so happy you," you know. I'm like, "Hey, babe, don't, you know, w- don't
[01:52:14] Eldar: get too excited
[01:52:14] Denis: yet." Yeah. Like, we don't know what's gonna happen- Sometimes the chicken and the egg, whatever
[01:52:16] but she's like, "Yeah, like, just watching you, you just like, just sit there. You're working all the time. Like, you're like..." I still m- I'm still me, as you see, like, I- You
[01:52:23] Eldar: died, bro ...
[01:52:24] Denis: I laugh. No. She saw you. No, no,
[01:52:25] Eldar: no. She saw you die, bro. She's like, "Yo, D-" I'm
[01:52:28] Denis: still...
[01:52:28] Eldar: No. "Where's my Dennis?"
[01:52:29] Denis: I, uh, I'm still me. I laugh, I joke.
[01:52:31] Mm-hmm. I- I'm me, but, like, there's definitely, like, um-
[01:52:35] Eldar: A cloud. Nate's cloud.
[01:52:37] Denis: Like, I- I- Nature, a little bit ... we, we, we got fr- like, we'll hang out with peop- like, I'm just like, "The fuck are we talking about?" You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, we took Dennis Pasco. Sorry, D. He's not listening. He
[01:52:46] Eldar: don't listen. Yeah.
[01:52:46] Denis: Yeah, man. He's not listening to this. You know, we took this dude to the beach, bro.
[01:52:50] Eldar: Mm-hmm.
[01:52:50] Denis: The, a few weeks, he hits me up. Damn, I hope he doesn't listen. I mean, whatever. It's, I'm kinda, you know. He's a nice dude. He need Mike. He n- put him- Dennis Mike ... put him back in my life, bro ... from the island, man.
[01:52:59] Eldar: I,
[01:52:59] Denis: I'm working on a couple- He's a good dude.
[01:53:00] He's a good dude.
[01:53:00] Eldar: Yeah, Mike's has a big wing. He'll, he'll
[01:53:02] Denis: put everybody
[01:53:02] Eldar: together. Yeah. Big Nat, Big Nat. We got a lot of, a lot in the pipeline
[01:53:04] Denis: right now. We had a run in the spring watching the Knicks together.
[01:53:06] Eldar: Mm-hmm.
[01:53:06] Denis: But he's a good dude, but, like, man, he's got... He's, he's doing w- uh, uh.
[01:53:11] Eldar: He's in, he's
[01:53:12] Denis: in a message, right?
[01:53:13] We had the beach, bro. Asli was like, "What's wrong with this guy?" He's, like, walking a- Like, we'll just be sitting there, and he just, like, all, all of us sitting there, and he just gets up and just, like, walks away somewhere. Mm-hmm. Comes back- Without
[01:53:26] Eldar: talking
[01:53:26] Denis: or nothing ... comes back and he's, like, doing pushups on the rocks.
[01:53:28] Comes back, like, sits down. I'm like, "Where'd you go, bro?" He's like... Just like we- Like he's... Whatever. Yeah. Anyways, whatever. I'm,
[01:53:38] I'm getting carried away. But, like, I had it, I had plenty of people that I, I, I was... I had definitely trauma where, like, I had a lot of opportunities to make new friendships and then, like, through Asli, different people, and, like, husbands and boyfriends, and I didn't want any of it. Uh, and she's like, "Why?" I'm like, "I was always nice to everybody," but, like, there was like, I, I didn't even wanna make the effort of, like...
[01:53:59] I, I guess I had that trauma of, like-
[01:54:01] Eldar: You're a
[01:54:01] Denis: loyal
[01:54:02] Eldar: dog, man.
[01:54:02] Katherine: No, but you know what? I didn't, I didn't, I didn't look at it that way. Deep inside- I don't know how to look at it, like- ... he knew, he knew it wouldn't compare to this friendship.
[01:54:08] Eldar: Well- You
[01:54:08] Katherine: knew that ... of course
[01:54:09] Eldar: I mean- The truth is the truth. The truth, yeah.
[01:54:10] Denis: That's
[01:54:11] Katherine: how it is. Well, like,
[01:54:11] Denis: you know me, I wouldn't wanna admit that at the time.
[01:54:13] Katherine: Right.
[01:54:14] Denis: Let's be honest.
[01:54:15] Eldar: Yeah, but, uh, why did you tell Asli not to, like, not to get too excited or whatever? Because, like, if you knew you were coming correct, if you were coming correct with the right intention this time, like, w- would you think we're gonna come, or w- like, you would, you would spark some, like, anger or animosity or hate towards you?
[01:54:31] Denis: Well, I don't know. I, you know, there's always occur- You know, maybe I missed something. I, I
[01:54:33] Eldar: get
[01:54:33] Denis: you. You know? Like- Yeah, okay ...
[01:54:34] Eldar: maybe I did
[01:54:34] Denis: something, you know?
[01:54:36] Katherine: Well, no, I mean, it's all in the
[01:54:39] Denis: podcast, so... What? What'd you
[01:54:39] Katherine: say? There's no surprises 'cause it's, like, we talk about it on the pod, you know?
[01:54:42] Denis: Yeah, yeah.
[01:54:43] Eldar: Plus, plus, like, you know, obviously you quote-unquote "know us", but you don't know us then to some degree. Yeah, that's
[01:54:49] Denis: basically what it sounds like. Well, no, but it's like a f- You know, I, I was, I was hoping for the best, but, like, you know, you also, it's been three years, you know? You can't just come in and be like, you know.
[01:54:56] 'Cause you also told me, like- Well- Part of the reason probably I didn't reach out sooner, if I was to kind of unconsciously, like, reflect on it- Uh, like just, like when you said, like, Nate came back or whatever. It's like this weird thing. Like, I ne- I didn't want, I didn't wanna... Like, I didn't wanna b- be, be Nate.
[01:55:14] You know? Yeah. It's like- Yeah ... come back, like pretend like everything's like, oh, like the same... Like, I, I don't know, you know?
[01:55:22] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:55:24] Denis: Did he ever come back or no?
[01:55:25] Eldar: Well, he came back. He apologized. Yeah. And, uh, he showed face, and then he just disappeared. I think he moved- Yeah ... to Atlanta.
[01:55:32] Denis: Back to... Okay.
[01:55:33] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:55:34] Denis: Ran to Atlanta.
[01:55:35] Eldar: Well, he was living in Atlanta already, right? He said
[01:55:37] Mike: ran to Atlanta. He was... No, he invited to... He was moving to Atlanta, I
[01:55:39] Denis: think, right, before he moved. Yeah. It's a lyric. Oh, it's a lyric.
[01:55:42] Eldar: Oh, okay. Yeah. Me and him would always- Yeah ...
[01:55:43] Denis: we would listen, like, I don't know if he's still a- Of course, I'm still- ... a ghetto, ghetto music connoisseur or not
[01:55:46] still
[01:55:46] Eldar: am. Yeah, of course.
[01:55:47] Denis: Still. I'd say.
[01:55:48] Eldar: Yeah, no, I als- al- like I said, I always thought that Asli played a, plays a big role- Yeah, yeah ... uh, in the fun department because- She
[01:55:55] Denis: goes, she goes... Sorry to interrupt. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Just for speaking of your wife, she goes, "Oh, thank God. I hope it, I hope the meeting goes well, 'cause I miss Catherine."
[01:56:02] Yeah.
[01:56:03] Katherine: Oh, I miss her.
[01:56:04] Eldar: Yeah, and I ne- I never deterred Catherine to talking to
[01:56:06] Katherine: her. Never.
[01:56:06] Denis: Me neither. Never, never. I always,
[01:56:07] Katherine: I always encouraged
[01:56:08] Denis: her to
[01:56:09] Katherine: talk to her.
[01:56:09] Denis: But I felt it. It was weird. It was like-
[01:56:10] Katherine: It obviously- Yeah ... it was weird. And I felt it was, like, just one-sided.
[01:56:14] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:56:14] Katherine: Like, it was only me reaching out for, like, yoga or something, and then I thought, "Okay, if Elder and him are kinda not...
[01:56:19] Like, I'm, I'm pretty sure that she's gonna feel like, that, that weirdness." Yeah, yeah. It was a tough... It's hard. It's hard, yeah. So I felt like it was, like, the right decision- We need to be honest
[01:56:25] Eldar: Yeah ...
[01:56:25] Katherine: to, to- It's tough ... like, lea- leave it alone, you know? Yeah, yeah,
[01:56:28] Eldar: yeah. Toliy. But I miss her for
[01:56:28] Katherine: sure. Mm-hmm.
[01:56:28] What's some
[01:56:29] Eldar: questions you have, 'cause I'm kinda running out of stuff. Yeah. Some questions. Questions,
[01:56:32] Mike: uh. Toliy's got a barrel.
[01:56:34] Toliy: Yeah. Do I have any questions? Yeah. He's got hands on me. What, what's his problem, man? What? What's his problem, man? No, I think that like- Like- Look, I think... What? He's gonna be like, "Oh, Dennis is full of shit."
[01:56:45] He's gonna- No, is he seeing it for what it is?
[01:56:47] Eldar: Like-
[01:56:48] Toliy: Like,
[01:56:48] Eldar: because your theory is always like, "Yo, no, no, this shit's too hard,
[01:56:51] Toliy: bro." Like- Yeah. No, I feel... Yeah, I mean, it's like, look, you know, right, right now, today is like a honeymoon stage, you know? As long as you don't have a bad attitude, like, you know, thing- things is obviously, I think, gonna go well.
[01:57:04] Eldar: No, but yeah, that's why I asked him the question- Yeah ...
[01:57:06] Toliy: whether or not that- But I... Yeah ... he understands
[01:57:07] Eldar: our intention.
[01:57:07] Toliy: No, but I, yeah, I definitely feel like honesty from him probably for the, like the first time in like a, a while.
[01:57:13] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:57:13] Toliy: You know, where like he is, you know- Open ... being honest- Yeah ... in how he felt.
[01:57:16] Yeah. And like, yeah, I felt like he probably felt like this. Yeah. Because also it's not like Dennis had like, you know, 200 friends and now he just subtracted four and he has 196, you know, like left. Yeah. You know? Like, I felt like, you know, he was more to, to himself and if he hung out with somebody, it w- it was with us.
[01:57:33] So-
[01:57:34] Mike: Yeah ...
[01:57:34] Toliy: like-
[01:57:35] Mike: Yeah ...
[01:57:35] Toliy: at, at, at some point, like, uh, like, I mean, we're obviously all s- social like creatures, right? So like, if you don't- Yeah ... have any kind of interactions- Yeah, yeah ... you don't have good interactions. Yeah. And if you can't, like, if you don't meet other, like, genuine or honest or, or like, you know-
[01:57:49] Eldar: Yeah
[01:57:50] Toliy: people like that, yeah, I think that you'll always like miss it, you know? I think it's natural.
[01:57:56] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:57:56] Toliy: Mm-hmm. So, um-
[01:57:58] Eldar: Especially if there was truth behind it. Yeah. Especially if there was goodness behind it. If there was fun behind it- Yeah ... you would, like naturally. And, and like sure, those two, three years of staying or whatever, yeah, I felt it too, but overall, yeah, it was good.
[01:58:12] We had fun overall. You know what I mean? So I also miss that dynamic too, but I realize like we do change, we do go our separate ways sometimes, and if that's what it is, I had to accept it. I took it on the chin.
[01:58:25] Toliy: No, for sure.
[01:58:25] Eldar: You know?
[01:58:25] Toliy: Yeah. I think it's like,
[01:58:26] Eldar: uh- But I'm not, I would be, I would be completely like, uh, cold-hearted or some asshole not to be able to hear him out, uh, see where he stands now, and if it's with grace, how, and not give him grace back, like-
[01:58:39] Toliy: Yeah, I feel like-
[01:58:40] Eldar: what, what kind of person would I be?
[01:58:41] Toliy: Yeah, I feel like, um, I- I think it's important to always un- understand, like, people's, um, intentions.
[01:58:49] Eldar: Yeah.
[01:58:49] Toliy: You know? But I also think that if you have an attachment to something and you want something, I think it's hard to maybe sometimes understand if people, like, challenge, like, your ideals or, like, your, like, what, what you want.
[01:59:03] Um, I think during those times it's hard to, um, to accept that- Yeah ... and to, to, to remember the intention behind it, you know?
[01:59:11] Eldar: That, that's why I'm asking him that question- And, like- ... about the intention ... yeah,
[01:59:13] Toliy: yeah. Yeah. Not to get curious about it. For me it's like, like if I'm saying something and, like, I don't know, let's just say, like, Elder's, like, hard disagreeing with me, right?
[01:59:23] And, like, completely, like, against it, that is definitely, like, an alarm in my head of, like, okay, let me find out, like, what, what am I m- missing here, you know? I, I don't, like, you know, obviously I don't feel like, like, "Oh, he's hating on me," or like, you know, "He doesn't want me to, to succeed at something," or, like, to do something, you know?
[01:59:40] Um, you know, as, as we spoke, like, uh, you know, an episode or two back, he, I mean, probably w- you know, this whole time wanted me to succeed more than I wanted myself to succeed, you know? So, um-
[01:59:51] Eldar: Yeah, if that's not understood-
[01:59:53] Toliy: Yeah ...
[01:59:53] Eldar: then yeah, there's a lot more growth that needs to be had.
[01:59:56] Toliy: Yeah.
[01:59:56] Eldar: You know what I'm saying?
[01:59:57] But when you do understand it, I think that you've come, uh, to put in your chips where you're like, "All right, cool." Like, yeah, we are in this to- together. Life is difficult. Let's fucking try to figure this whole thing out together and ha- have as much fun as possible. Yeah. And I think that those people who subscribe, I think if the unit is bigger, the more the merrier for me is always, right, Mike?
[02:00:15] For you too. Mike s- sub- 100% ... Mike subscribed to that notion a long time ago. I mean, we're still warming you up to it too. Yeah. You know what I mean? Kat's obviously always, you know, s- standoffish on stuff. She thought she, brings, bringing a gun, you know what I mean?
[02:00:26] Denis: This is
[02:00:27] Eldar: what? But, like, but, but the, the whole thing is, like, if he gets it- I was a little- No, I think- I was a little apprehensive
[02:00:32] I, I, I- Like, if he gets it, that's
[02:00:32] Denis: great ... but- I was going to give you a hug. I'm like, "I think she doesn't want the
[02:00:35] Katherine: touch." I, I, I generally am more cautious and, like- Yeah ... skeptical about, uh, people- People, yeah ... and things and- Well, you, like, it looks like- I'm more on the
[02:00:42] Denis: Toliy's- ... you went through your own kinda- Yeah
[02:00:44] Katherine: yeah ...
[02:00:45] Denis: stuff, so that makes sense, yeah.
[02:00:46] Toliy: Yeah, for, for me it's a matter of, like, yeah, like, there's, like, there, there's, like, almost, like, a fire here in, like, the middle, you know? And, like, there's definitely moments where we can all stand right by it and use it for, like, warmth- Yeah ... you know? Not in a gay way Gay way, Mike.
[02:01:02] Sorry. No. Yes. Right.
[02:01:04] Eldar: Keep
[02:01:05] Toliy: your, keep your
[02:01:05] Eldar: drawers
[02:01:05] Toliy: on, Mike.
[02:01:06] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:01:06] Toliy: Yeah. Yeah, you know? But, like, we have to agree that, like, "Hey, that fire is right there and it's keeping us warm, it's helping us," you know?
[02:01:13] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:01:14] Toliy: And I think if we have moments of thinking that, like, "Hey, that is actually bad and we need to stay away from it," I think that's probably when we'll have, we have, like, friction or we drift away.
[02:01:24] But even if we do feel that way, I think it's, it's im- I, I, I think at least it's important to remember, like, the intention of like, "Hey, you know, this fire is here to keep us warm."
[02:01:33] Denis: Yeah.
[02:01:34] Toliy: But sometimes we can get too close to it and it might, you know, hurt or it might be hot. Yeah. But you have, like, yeah, to, to, to remember that.
[02:01:40] And I, I, I know in, in adverse times it's difficult to, um, to see it that way because it's painful, you know?
[02:01:49] Denis: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was, it was definitely an identity crisis, like I said. Um, trying to kind of... At that time there was a lot of, um... I would walk in, especially when I was still working, you guys did a lot of analysis.
[02:02:02] Not like you don't do. Obviously that's your name of the game. We still do. But, like, he was in that stage where he just got off the, uh, the, the, the Russian doll wagon.
[02:02:13] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:02:14] Denis: And you, you were really trying to, like, tame him down. Like, "Yo, let's analyze this shit." You know what I mean? Like-
[02:02:18] Eldar: Yeah ...
[02:02:19] Denis: you know. And you were subscribing, like, "Yo, I, I wanna, I wanna turn over a new leaf," all this stuff.
[02:02:23] Mm-hmm. And there was a lot of talk in, in this, in, every time I came in the office. Uh, and looking at it now, it's like th- it's, that's good. That's what he needed. That was his season. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Yeah. He was going through s- now he was trying to put the pieces together, "What should I do? How should I be?
[02:02:43] What mistakes am I making with these people and with my life?" Whatever. At that time I was in, I talked, again, me, I talked so much- I was dying to just be a person of action.
[02:02:57] Katherine: Mm-hmm.
[02:02:57] Denis: That's why if you remember s- some of those like- Yeah ... discipline battles, like I was so- Yeah ... like who cares, right? Like, you, you don't like discipline, I like discipline, like who cares?
[02:03:05] Yeah. I mean, like- Go to s- But why... I was so angry, right?
[02:03:08] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:03:08] Denis: Remember we'd get like- Yeah,
[02:03:09] Eldar: of course ... "
[02:03:09] Denis: Don't you understand me?" You know?
[02:03:10] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah.
[02:03:11] Denis: And it was- Yeah ... even more so because like I didn't live a life of discipline.
[02:03:14] Eldar: Yeah. You
[02:03:15] Denis: know? I w- I just- Of course.
[02:03:16] Eldar: It was, you was a hypocrite.
[02:03:16] Denis: I was a hypocrite, yeah.
[02:03:17] Yeah. And, and, and I looked at the ki- like I would walk in like, "Oh, there they go again," you know? Four hours sitting there talking about shit. Yeah. And, and I judged it because I, I-
[02:03:27] Mike: Yeah ...
[02:03:27] Denis: I just needed action. Mm-hmm. Which I didn't know how to do either. And so then I would, if I, if I don't know how to do it, if I'm not doing it and I know that I, that's what I want, what am I gonna do?
[02:03:37] I'm gonna judge the people around me that are doing that, the, the habits that I think are not g- good for my goal.
[02:03:45] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:03:46] Denis: And in, in some capacity that was true. Now it's also, um... See that's what I'm saying, like my, this, my season is also like a mind fuck, meaning like for example, I did take massive action and I did build a business and I have been in the same business believe it or not- Yeah
[02:04:00] for three and a half years.
[02:04:01] Eldar: Yeah. You
[02:04:02] Denis: know? And like I said, you know, making a living from it, thank God. Found some success. But ironically, and I'd probably any time that realization would come of what I'm about to say, it would almost, like, I would, like, suppress it. It would, like, bother me. I think I built it with my elder hat on.
[02:04:18] Mm-hmm. I haven't heard that in a while. And then weirdly, you probably, you probably wouldn't agree fully.
[02:04:22] Eldar: Mm-hmm.
[02:04:23] Denis: Uh, because, you know, that's always the, that topic is up for debate, right? Mm-hmm. '
[02:04:28] Eldar: Cause just how- The elder
[02:04:28] Denis: hat, I haven't heard that in a
[02:04:29] Eldar: while. The elder hat. Yeah. That's what I meant.
[02:04:29] Denis: Thank you. I had six, six, uh- You
[02:04:31] Eldar: definitely did, yes.
[02:04:32] Denis: Yeah. Um, like for, what I mean is, like, I built it slow and steady, and that would... Any time I realize, I look back, I'm like, "Shit, like, it's flowing," and it's like, it was built slow and s- and that term would hit me and I'm like, "Yeah, you see, it's slow and s-" I'm like, "Fuck." Like, you know? Like it was, it was like, "Shit."
[02:04:46] Yeah. Because I knew- Don't use this
[02:04:47] Eldar: quote,
[02:04:47] Denis: yeah ... I knew who taught me that, right?
[02:04:49] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:04:50] Denis: I was tr- I would, there were moments where I would try to, I, n- not even. Like, like I kickstarted, but I genuinely, it's just flowed because I kind of somehow did it based on your principle. I can't believe I'm saying this right now.
[02:05:03] Yeah. This is the first time I'm saying
[02:05:04] Eldar: it out loud. Can I get a kickback? You owe me a Maserati, bro.
[02:05:06] Denis: Uh, I- You know? ... did it based on your principles. Yeah. Again, to be clear-
[02:05:09] Eldar: Yeah ...
[02:05:09] Denis: w- that you, you probably wouldn't agree necessarily. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, look, I, I, I can, I can honestly say, right, like, I employ 35 people.
[02:05:17] Eldar: Mm-hmm.
[02:05:18] Denis: I don't lie. Yeah. The worst thing I, I've done in this three and a half years is on my website it's- Fake reviews ... false, it says 20- Oh. Yeah, a couple electricians.
[02:05:27] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:05:28] Denis: Most of them are real- Yeah ... but I got a couple ph- Yeah ... and I kickstarted shit in the beginning.
[02:05:30] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:05:31] Denis: I was, I was, uh, imposter syndrome.
[02:05:33] The worst thing that's still on the website, it says 2019 started-
[02:05:36] Eldar: Yeah ...
[02:05:36] Denis: instead of, instead of '23.
[02:05:37] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:05:38] Denis: Other than that, it's like, people, I take care of people, I do right by them, by the clients, by the, by the workers, by the employees, and ain't nobody ever come to me and been like, "Yo, like you, you're trying to fuck us over," or anything.
[02:05:52] Mm-hmm. And, and I'm in an industry where that is normal.
[02:05:55] Eldar: Yeah. '
[02:05:55] Denis: Cause we're outsourcing and leveraging labor from other parts of the world.
[02:05:58] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:05:58] Denis: Not a single time has anyone, like, because I, because it's just, I just, I take care of people.
[02:06:04] Eldar: Mm-hmm.
[02:06:05] Denis: And I've done it the right way. And I've, and I, and I probably could've been three times, fi- four times as big, but, like, it's felt right.
[02:06:12] Like, I did it-
[02:06:13] Toliy: Mm-hmm ...
[02:06:13] Denis: I did it right without even trying, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Like, it's just, it's just been right. And my point is is that this season, it, it's, it's, it hasn't been a bad one. It's not like I'm coming over here, I'm like, "Bro, I went, I went out into the wild and my shit is all fucked up," and like, you know.
[02:06:29] Mike: Yeah.
[02:06:29] Denis: Uh, it's been, it's been, I've, I've been blessed in a lot of ways with my family. I got a beautiful daughter. Uh, me and, me and Asley has, have stayed together, you know? Uh, I wrote you a let- blyat. I wrote you a letter.
[02:06:41] Eldar: Oh, yeah? Handwritten or no?
[02:06:42] Denis: That's, that's also what triggered it. The letter was about two months ago.
[02:06:46] I woke up again, and I just was like, fuck, I, it was one of those moments. I'm like, "What, what?" Like, "Just leave me alone," you know what I mean? Like, just leave me alone. And I, I sat on the computer. It's, again, like 3:00, 4:00 AM in the m- AM in the morning, and I wrote you a letter. I read it to Asley. Uh, recently, w- when this, when I, when I reached out to you, uh, I wrote you a letter.
[02:07:10] It was like one of those, like, "Fucking, you missed it, bro. You missed it. What the fuck?" Like, "This wasn't supposed to be this way," whatever. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? A lot of just, like, raw emotion.
[02:07:19] Mike: Mm-hmm.
[02:07:19] Denis: Uh, and it was that. It was kinda like, it wasn't like I just went out and, like, became an alcoholic and I'm like, "Please," like, you know, "help me."
[02:07:29] Fucking up. It was more like I went out and I did my thing, and I was like, "Damn," like, "you probably would've been happy with what I did."
[02:07:35] Eldar: Yeah, I am happy. You know? It's a good influence. Yeah, if I played a good influence, of course I'm happy.
[02:07:38] Denis: And, and it became more- Of course ... as the years go on, the more it was l- it was more like, damn, like-
[02:07:43] Eldar: I'm gonna, I'm gonna shout out Serge over here- Yeah
[02:07:45] who was talking shit, you know? I was like, "Look what happened to Denis," you know?
[02:07:47] Denis: Mm.
[02:07:47] Eldar: And I'd be like, "Serge, do you see what happened? Denis actually doing well now."
[02:07:50] Denis: Yeah.
[02:07:50] Eldar: Yeah. Give me some props, you know? Why? He's
[02:07:51] Denis: talking shit?
[02:07:52] Eldar: He's like, "Look at all your kids." He's ready. Look, status.
[02:07:55] Denis: Kaz, I'm staying. Yeah, yeah.
[02:07:56] I'm like Dustin Poirier at the airport, you know what
[02:07:59] Mike: I mean? They used to always butt heads, those two. Yeah, Serge and Denis.
[02:08:01] Katherine: Serge and Denis, yeah. Oh, that's right. Okay, I forgot about that dynamic too. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
[02:08:05] Denis: So yeah, I don't know. So, so the, so I, I, I just wish I was able... I wish I went on that journey.
[02:08:10] I, like, I don't regret going on my, on my, on this season. Mm-hmm. It was, it's been an important season.
[02:08:15] Eldar: Of course.
[02:08:15] Denis: But I just wish I was- Yes ... I, I was able to gracefully transition from where I was at to where I was becoming without-
[02:08:23] Eldar: The static ...
[02:08:24] Denis: everything falling apart- Yeah ... you know, in those couple years.
[02:08:26] Yeah. Uh, because yeah, it would've been, it would've been nice to share, you know, nice to share it all, you know?
[02:08:31] Eldar: But- Happiness is when it's shared, Mike, you said.
[02:08:33] Toliy: Mm-hmm.
[02:08:34] Denis: Yeah. You know? Yeah. So, but
[02:08:35] Eldar: anyways. Well, there's, yeah, no, that's, it's a, it's a very good speech. Toliy, you buy it?
[02:08:41] Mike: You're the sales guy. I think the, I think the big kicker or the big thing that- Mm-hmm
[02:08:44] I heard, at least from what he said- Yeah ... that's, like, stood out, uh- I, like, I think if you ever, if you got bitten by a philosophy bug-
[02:08:54] Eldar: Mm-hmm ...
[02:08:54] Mike: right? Or, you know, living a good life bug.
[02:08:57] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:08:58] Mike: Uh, and the stories he mentioned of sitting and talking to you, trying to figure out life, those, those moments, I experienced those.
[02:09:04] We've all experienced those. I think those are the moments that actually you are alive.
[02:09:09] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:09:10] Mike: And I think what he said, he said, "I went out there and I met people, and I..." He didn't say this, but what he meant is, "I actually didn't feel alive."
[02:09:17] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:09:18] Mike: Because not having those conversations, you're not actually living.
[02:09:20] Eldar: Yeah, I agree.
[02:09:21] Mike: And I think that- Yeah.
[02:09:23] Eldar: Yeah ...
[02:09:23] Mike: is the biggest magnet. 100%. And-
[02:09:27] Eldar: It's undeniable. Yeah. Like, I mean, look, n- not to toot my own horn, but-
[02:09:31] Mike: Yeah ...
[02:09:31] Eldar: the horn has been proven.
[02:09:32] Mike: Yeah.
[02:09:33] Eldar: You know what I mean? And the horn is nice. Yeah. You know what I mean? And when we do it all together, it's nice.
[02:09:37] Mike: Mm-hmm.
[02:09:37] Eldar: It's great, you know?
[02:09:39] Yeah. And I think that the world's out there is the way the world is out there. You know what I mean? And, like, instead of the world imprinting onto us, we have the opportunity to finally imprint onto the world because we know our shit, we like our shit. You know what I mean? We stand by it, you know? And why not do it together with more people?
[02:09:55] Mike: Mm-hmm.
[02:09:55] Eldar: You know what I mean? That's how I always saw it.
[02:09:57] Mike: Yeah.
[02:09:57] Eldar: M- the more the merrier. Obviously, I want everybody to be around. Obviously, I want everybody to come through, but everybody in their own different times- Yeah ... time zones and seasons. Of course. Not understanding that same, those same principles or getting it yet.
[02:10:10] Toliy: Mm-hmm.
[02:10:10] Eldar: But with time, they all come back. Yeah. That's how I see it, you know?
[02:10:14] Mike: Of course.
[02:10:14] Eldar: And not to come back to, like, my shit or anything, it's to come back to the own universal- Yeah ... shit of the truth.
[02:10:19] Mike: Of the
[02:10:20] Eldar: truth. It's not mine. It's not his.
[02:10:22] Mike: No.
[02:10:22] Eldar: It's the world's. Right. It's the universe's. It's God's.
[02:10:25] Mike: Yeah.
[02:10:25] Eldar: You know what I mean?
[02:10:26] And all we're trying to do is interpret how the fucking, this shit works, so we can continue to tap into it, hopefully together, because it's, like you said, it's happiness is when it's shared. No?
[02:10:36] Denis: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, everything was a reminder of all those, like-
[02:10:40] Eldar: Yeah ...
[02:10:41] Denis: walking around, like, middle of the day Like, my, um, I'm like friends with my neighbors, they're like older people and stuff.
[02:10:48] They come out, they smoke and they say like, "Dennis, what are you..." Like, there, there, I, there was moments where they're like, "What are you..." Like, "Don't you have a job?" Like- Like, "What's
[02:10:55] Katherine: your deal?"
[02:10:55] Denis: Yeah, like, "Why are you j-..." I'm like walking around shirtless, like holding the baby, just chilling, like in the middle of the day.
[02:10:59] Yeah. And those moments is, is again when I'm like, "Blat!" You know? Mm-hmm. 'Cause it's like I'm realizing, I'm looking at them and I remember you would look at the world and you'd be like, "Oh," like they think like, yeah, Yeah ... you know?
[02:11:09] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:11:09] Denis: Like, meaning like, um, you know- Like
[02:11:12] Eldar: a, like a truant. Like a loser Doesn't do anything.
[02:11:14] Like a loser, yeah.
[02:11:14] Denis: And you knew like, you know, you guys running a, a serious business all the, even those years, right? And it's like- Yeah ... you'd, you'd go out into the world and you'd know how people look at you guys. Like, oh, just a bunch of like, you know-
[02:11:25] Eldar: Yeah ...
[02:11:25] Denis: walking around in sweatpants, whatever, just whatever a- in the middle of the day.
[02:11:29] But like, you just, you f- you f- you got your own path and you're free, and you don't, you know? And so- Yeah ... and, and it wasn't just for the friends that you built, it was the lifestyle. It was, it was... Back then, forget the businesses. Back then of just like you always were like this fucking, like you, you, you, you-
[02:11:45] Eldar: Freedom fighter
[02:11:46] Denis: you didn't write, you didn't go by the book. Like, you, you know, you're living- Yeah ... at your parents' house till 31.
[02:11:50] Eldar: Yeah, very
[02:11:51] Denis: true. We're over there eating Marat's eggs - Yeah ... every morning.
[02:11:54] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:11:54] Denis: He's coming back like, "Yo, why you guys eating all my food?" You know? Like-
[02:11:57] Eldar: Yeah,
[02:11:58] Denis: yes ... and like you didn't care. Like you just, you know, you did your own thing.
[02:12:00] And, and I've, in some way I've, I've built my life in that kind of way, and that's probably why I felt good. Yeah. But there was always this hole of like, like damn, you know?
[02:12:10] Eldar: It could be better.
[02:12:11] Denis: Where those cats
[02:12:13] Eldar: at?
[02:12:14] Denis: What's up, Harris? Yeah.
[02:12:16] Eldar: Yeah. What's up, Harris? Yeah. What happened to Harris? When Harris
[02:12:17] Denis: was,
[02:12:17] Eldar: when Harris was, when Harris was around, and any time we mention you or Nate, he's like, "Fuck those guys," yo.
[02:12:24] "Those, those fucking idiots," you know? For real. And he, you f- yeah.
[02:12:27] Denis: He was talking... Oh, okay, yeah.
[02:12:28] Eldar: Well, because he knew somewhat it was a story of what happened or whatever, so every time your names came up he would badmouth you. He's like, "This fucking-" Yo, Harris,
[02:12:34] Denis: don't forget who got you your unemployment, baby.
[02:12:35] Eldar: You know? Yes. That's true, yeah. Hell yeah. I, I reminded him of that, too. It's like, "
[02:12:41] Denis: Dennis helps you out with
[02:12:41] Eldar: that." Don't forget,
[02:12:41] Denis: bro. But yeah. Uh, when Philip was, um... That's probably also in Moscow, is Philip like replaced me, like directly, right? Mm-hmm. Like sales back then, right? So that was probably the... And he was, he went on highs even when I was editing.
[02:12:54] He was in such an intoxicating space of like, uh Yeah, bro. Like, yo, yeah, the wor- like, us against the world. You promote it that way, but, like, you fed it to him. You spoon-fed it- Mm-hmm ... where he was getting, like, his ego was coming out of like, "Yeah, we know some shit."
[02:13:08] Eldar: Oh, yeah, he said that a couple times. Oh, man.
[02:13:09] Yeah, he was talking like, yeah. I, I, I thought that was funny, and I also told him. I was like, "Fuck, damn, you know what?" But
[02:13:13] Denis: he would, he really rode that. Yeah. Yeah. And I was, and I was-
[02:13:16] Eldar: No, but Harris took, took that to the next level ... to the next level. Yeah Oh, yeah.
[02:13:18] Denis: I'll be honest, I-
[02:13:19] Eldar: Ha-
[02:13:19] Denis: You know, as the, uh- Yeah
[02:13:20] he was still around, and I was waiting. I'm like, yep. Like, uh, uh, every time I would check in, I'd be like- Yeah ... eventually that cat's gonna fall off.
[02:13:27] Eldar: Yeah. '
[02:13:28] Denis: Cause, like- Of course ... he was talking too h- too, too cra- like, too hot, and, like, he b- yeah, like, um, like, whatever. I, uh... Anyways, sorry, Filip. But-
[02:13:36] Eldar: Hold on, no.
[02:13:37] Filip, Filip, that, Filip, I think that he meshed with us pretty well, and, like, he, the dynamic he understood. It's just he didn't perform on actual, on an actual business level- Yeah ... the way we wish we, he came, you
[02:13:48] Denis: know what
[02:13:48] Eldar: I
[02:13:48] Denis: mean?
[02:13:48] Eldar: Yeah,
[02:13:48] Denis: but okay, but here's, uh... And again,
[02:13:49] Eldar: I- So it wasn't, like, a fallout on, like, what we
[02:13:51] Denis: had
[02:13:51] Filip, don't mean to bag on you, but maybe you could tell me, so forget the, the business stuff is the business stuff. Yeah. He seemed like he was really rocking with you guys-
[02:13:58] Eldar: Yeah ... like,
[02:13:59] Denis: philosophical-wise.
[02:13:59] Katherine: Of course He was. Yeah, he
[02:14:00] Eldar: was Of course. Where is he w- w-
[02:14:01] Katherine: On a personal level
[02:14:02] Denis: Where, yeah.
[02:14:03] Eldar: Well, the thing is, uh, uh, when he couldn't, uh, perform, right?
[02:14:07] There was a, there was a moment where it's like, with me and Toliy sat him down, and we kinda said, "Hey, like, do you actually wanna do this?" Right? And he showed that he didn't. He actually had a priority somewhere else. Oh, okay. You know what I mean?
[02:14:19] Denis: Yeah, but what does that got to do with the friendship part?
[02:14:21] Did you guys develop a
[02:14:22] Eldar: friendship? Well, fundamentally, he, like, he didn't pull the weight on, uh, it, this is like a, this is like a encompassing thing. It's like you have to pull your weight in the areas that you signed up for. Right. You know what I mean? And if you don't, like, there has to be growth there.
[02:14:34] If there, if there's no growth, if you show you don't wanna grow, then it's like, that's also that core. That's
[02:14:38] Denis: why I, that's why I'm saying I, I, I wish I'd never worked for you.
[02:14:43] Eldar: Okay.
[02:14:44] Denis: Because, no, that's just my opinion. Not, that's not in a bad, like- Yeah ... I also, I- Um, but
[02:14:48] Eldar: Toliy, you have the same thing?
[02:14:49] Denis: No, no.
[02:14:50] What? No. He did it the right way. He, you guys meshed the right way. But, like-
[02:14:53] Mike: Yeah ...
[02:14:54] Denis: I also, there's- J-
[02:14:55] Mike: for the person who Dennis was at the time couldn't because- Yeah ... Dennis was still trying to run amok. Yeah.
[02:14:58] Denis: Yeah.
[02:14:59] Mike: Where Toliy is like he's a good Jewish boy, you
[02:15:00] Denis: know? No, but, but you're saying, you see what you're saying, like, there was like- He's
[02:15:03] Mike: not,
[02:15:03] Denis: he's not a liar
[02:15:03] you held, you held him to certain standards or whatever. Yeah. When you s- I know when you're saying that, I know y- I don't know, I know it more than you know what you're saying. Yeah. Because I saw the Eldar when you look at him in the eye, and, like- You've even said, 'cause I got photographic memory, you've even said there was a time when, when shit was like the market was going bad and I was like, "Hey, like I- let me go downstairs to help out."
[02:15:23] Remember? That was right when I transitioned to sales.
[02:15:25] Eldar: Mm-hmm.
[02:15:26] Denis: You were like, "No, no. Like, go do sales. Like, we don't, we don't need-"
[02:15:29] Katherine: You wanted job security. Remember? Well,
[02:15:31] Denis: he kept on sc- You got all scared. I just got the apartment and, and your boy was throwing around things like, "Oh man, we got, you know, Tesla stock going down.
[02:15:37] We gotta figure out how to keep you." Mm-hmm. He kept... Remember I mentioned that to you before. He said that call to- Yeah, maybe I don't remember anymore ... and I, from a genuine place- Yeah,
[02:15:43] Katherine: yeah ...
[02:15:44] Denis: was like, "Yo, like I can ride this out and be his BS personal assistant and do nothing all day or let me go," and I did not necessarily wanna go down there, but somebody, um, that, I forgot her name, quit or something.
[02:15:58] Eldar: Yeah, Michelle.
[02:15:59] Denis: Michelle.
[02:15:59] Katherine: Michelle left, yeah.
[02:16:00] Denis: And I was like, "Let me go, go in there. I can, like let me try, like I, let me help you with that." And then he said, "No." He said, "That's not a good idea, but that's, you know," and then we transitioned to sales, which I also didn't wanna do. Uh, but long story short, uh, he's, he's, uh, like he said it even in that meeting.
[02:16:20] I don't know if you remember. It was me, you, and him, and he's like, "If you go down there, you're not gonna like who I am."
[02:16:28] Toliy: Mm.
[02:16:28] Denis: And he said it like that.
[02:16:29] Katherine: Mm.
[02:16:30] Denis: And I knew what he meant.
[02:16:31] Mike: Yeah, I didn't, mm.
[02:16:32] Denis: But I've s- I saw that n- e- even after that. A- a- and, and it, and I know what that is also because when you g- like when shit's gotta get done, shit's gotta get done.
[02:16:40] Toliy: Mm-hmm. No, but it's not even that. In, um, in, um, Philip's case, like I mean, like when it first happened to me, like, um- The, the scenario there was very interesting because like, like you said, he meshed with us well, and like everything was like, you know, relatively good. Mm-hmm. I mean, like I, I mean, I had a pretty good relationship with him too.
[02:17:03] Like, I mean, I, I could even be like, you know, relatively like honest and like har- like har- harsh, uh, s- or called harsh o- re- right on him, and he, he ... Like I, I, I felt like he always took it pretty well. Like, he never like, you know, um, like really like, uh, like was like a- a- aggy on me. But with his situation, like when the way that he spoke that day, that was like, it was crazy offens- like offensive to like me.
[02:17:32] Katherine: Mm.
[02:17:33] Toliy: Um, because like, like you could not be doing well, or maybe like something's not going your way, you're not seeing suc- success in there, but I think if you value the relationship, if you value the ... Like, if you love the scenario, right? You could still like, um, like have that desire to like learn and progress and put in an effort, right?
[02:17:56] Mm. And the way that he came across was that like he had no desire to do that, which to me like, like for like, I don't know, pro- probably like a couple of weeks at least, I was baffled.
[02:18:07] Eldar: Mm.
[02:18:08] Toliy: I was baffled that like
[02:18:09] Eldar: he
[02:18:10] Toliy: could- He wouldn't
[02:18:10] Eldar: fight for it.
[02:18:10] Toliy: He ... Yeah, he had no fight in him. Mm-hmm. Like, he didn't ... He wa- like, he was just kind of like, "All right," like, "Yeah, I guess like, you know, we'll just kinda go our separate ways, like what- whatever."
[02:18:20] Eldar: Mm.
[02:18:20] Toliy: Right? To me- And that's how
[02:18:21] Eldar: we felt we were being
[02:18:21] Toliy: used. Yeah, I was like, when, when I heard that, I was like, "I can't believe it." Because like how could someone who just like nonstop says that like, "Hey, I love it here. This is amazing." That's what I heard. Yeah, yeah. "You guys are amazing. Everything is great."
[02:18:34] Like, again, even if you're not doing well, there's a level of fight and effort that you could do where you could be like, "Hey-" Find your place somewhere. "... we, yeah, what can I do here? Because I love it here," right? Right, right, right. If you have that kind of attitude, you know, I don't think anyone's gonna- Into anything too
[02:18:49] kick anyone any- anywhere. Yeah. And like you have someone who wants to learn, someone who wants to like says like, "Hey, you know, I can't figure out this, but maybe I can figure out something else." But the way that he- came across was the opposite. And I was just like, when I heard it, I was like, "I can't believe he's saying this."
[02:19:04] Right.
[02:19:04] Katherine: Toliy, do you mind repeating that, that what, what he said exactly? I stepped away.
[02:19:08] Toliy: Oh, wh- who, oh, um- Oh,
[02:19:10] Katherine: well,
[02:19:10] Toliy: Philip ... yeah, like, like- Like, what, what made you understand? Yeah, like when we, when he wasn't doing well and we had, like, the, the conversation-
[02:19:15] Katherine: Mm-hmm ...
[02:19:16] Toliy: he had zero fight in him. Like, he wasn't- Mm
[02:19:19] like, "Hey," like, "can I do something else?" Or like, like, "Hey, I love it here. I, like, I love," like, "I love hanging out with you guys." Like, you know, like- Had we value
[02:19:27] Eldar: offering- ... "
[02:19:27] Toliy: I was the offering." Yeah. I, I- ... during
[02:19:28] Eldar: this time,
[02:19:28] Toliy: yeah ... I, uh, I like this. You know? Yeah. Like, what else can I do? Can I do this? Can I do that? Or like, "Hey, maybe I could learn something different."
[02:19:35] Or like, hey, like there was no attitude of like, I wanna make it work and I wanna figure it out. Mm. And when he said it, to me it was, like, so, like, I was, like, so offended. Like, at that time you, you remember- I do
[02:19:46] Eldar: remember that. But, but also- Yeah ... it's because, because we found out finally that sales is not his thing, and he doesn't like it, and he doesn't have his heart in it at all.
[02:19:55] Toliy: Yeah.
[02:19:55] Eldar: You know what I mean? And sales is a very s- particular field that requires a little bit of that in order to do really well, you know? Yeah. And him, the way he was at least, people pleasing and stuff like that, he would embellish on the phone. He would say- Yeah ... certain things. He wouldn't, he would omit certain things.
[02:20:10] He would people please and do all these things just to try to get a sale and try to be desperate. Mm. You know what I mean? And that's not what we in business for. We're not, like, trying to bend ourselves into a pretzel. And that stuff started bleeding into our operations obviously, in the production as well, where it's like, Philip's campaigns were always very specific you know, because he sold something extra- Mm
[02:20:31] to c- you, you probably understand this, right? I understand. He sold something extra to the client where, like, we really don't do this, but, like, now we have to because he was saying whatever he needed to say in order to get the sale.
[02:20:40] Toliy: Yeah.
[02:20:40] Eldar: And he was desperate. To, to just move
[02:20:41] Toliy: it along
[02:20:42] Eldar: the lines. Instead of, we constantly worked on him, I mean, on the podcast, totally one-on-one, me, right?
[02:20:48] Trying to instill in him the confidence that is needed in sales in order to talk your shit, not be afraid. Like, you're not s- we're not being dishonest in our business. We're not, like, se- selling snake oil here. We actually have a product. We stand behind our product. Product works. Like, why do you have to do that?
[02:21:03] And he just couldn't get it, you know? And then when we finally realized like, look, he, he doesn't really wanna do sales, that's not his thing. He just wanna be an actor.
[02:21:10] Toliy: Mm-hmm.
[02:21:11] Eldar: You know? Um, and then, yeah, Toliy's like, "Oh, shit." Like, there's no effort here. It's like the guy's dead.
[02:21:16] Toliy: Yeah. You know? Like- Like that, that's how it was.
[02:21:17] Like he w- he came across as like, "Hey, I'm dead. I'm, like, just a dead body and I gotta go."
[02:21:21] Eldar: Yeah. You
[02:21:21] Toliy: know? So it was just like- And
[02:21:22] Eldar: like, it was no disrespectful thing. He realized that. Yeah. We had a conversation.
[02:21:26] Toliy: Yeah.
[02:21:26] Eldar: During the pod we had a conversation and, I mean, we gave him a crazy package to go. Yeah. You know, like-
[02:21:30] Toliy: Yeah, and again, when people also take those packages- I approved it, unemployment, yeah
[02:21:33] and,
[02:21:34] Eldar: like,
[02:21:34] Toliy: do all of these things- Yeah ... and just are willing to, like, throw everything away. To me, it's like, like, like, like I get, like, just icked out, like, immediately and that, that's how I felt. Like, I felt like, are you kidding me?
[02:21:45] Denis: I mean, well- You know? ... like, if, if I was to play devil's advocate, maybe that's why my intuition had that beef with him.
[02:21:50] No, I'm just kidding. But, uh, devil's advocate for the purpose of, like- And it might be a topic for another day for you guys, but I think it's, you're not gonna agree 'cause you have your own thinking on it, but m- mix, w- mixing friends and, and work is, it's not a... Y- you've been able to do it, but- You gotta crack a D.
[02:22:15] It's not, it's not a- You owe me
[02:22:18] Eldar: at least one Patel.
[02:22:18] Denis: Y- you can't. You- That, remember what I was saying earlier about- What?
[02:22:24] Mike: Yeah,
[02:22:25] Denis: you owe him a Patel, man. What's a Patel?
[02:22:26] Eldar: The guy, the people you hire, man. You don't have a Patel on your-
[02:22:29] Denis: No, no, we won't. We don't work with the, the Caucasus.
[02:22:32] Eldar: Why? What do you
[02:22:34] Denis: mean? Uh, who- No, no, they're no good.
[02:22:35] They're
[02:22:36] Eldar: bad?
[02:22:36] Denis: They're not good, no. We are with Philippines, Africa now. What's
[02:22:39] Eldar: their last names? Uh...
[02:22:41] Denis: Yeah, it's like Spanish names.
[02:22:42] Eldar: Oh, okay.
[02:22:43] Denis: They're good peoples. Okay. But, uh, I mean, everybody's a pain in the ass, but that's-
[02:22:46] Eldar: Mm-hmm ...
[02:22:47] Denis: that's- Yeah. Whatever. The point of what I'm saying is that that's what I was saying about it's very difficult.
[02:22:53] You blur the lines very well. That's why, remember what I was saying?
[02:22:56] Mike: No, no.
[02:22:57] Denis: Why people- You mean the
[02:22:58] Mike: people, the people blur the lines very well.
[02:22:59] Denis: No, no.
[02:23:00] Mike: What about... No, but how is it my fault? It's not that. It's people don't, like, they have their own accountability or integrity. Uh, uh, and
[02:23:05] Eldar: yeah.
[02:23:05] Mike: It's
[02:23:05] Eldar: mine.
[02:23:05] Mike: It's mine.
[02:23:06] And Eldar helps them to expose that. Yeah.
[02:23:09] Denis: You can... Yeah, sure. Sure.
[02:23:10] Mike: He allows that to shine.
[02:23:11] Denis: He shines on the... Sure. No, he
[02:23:13] Mike: allows them to shine.
[02:23:14] Denis: But fu- fundamentally, when w- when you enter a place and you don't know, at any given moment it's your boss, it's your best friend, it's your brother, it's your worst enemy, it's, it's your philosopher, it's just a homie that you go and get pizza with or talking about fucking UFC with, it, you have to be very, very clear on who you are and who you're with and what you're about, like you three have been for, of course, Catherine, uh, by, that's by definition she's his wife.
[02:23:39] But you have to be very, very clear on that. And if you're not, if you even have a slightest inkling of something else in your own personal life that's unresolved, for example, it makes perfect sense. Philip was, if I'm not mistaken, wanted to be a fucking, uh, life insurance guy or some shit, right?
[02:23:53] Eldar: He wa- he was.
[02:23:54] Denis: Selling life insurance. Yeah, he was selling life insurance. I look at my story, right? Like I always- Yeah ... no, no, I gotta, I gotta go get this, I gotta start this fucking business. I, I- Yeah ... it was like a melancholia, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Like, I couldn't accept just, like, working for s- for you guys.
[02:24:06] Yeah. Even though I didn't- Yeah ... understand that actually it was, like, pr- it wasn't even a job.
[02:24:09] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:24:09] Denis: It was the best th- but to, it, it, it's very challenging because at any given moment, like, you have to, like, understand, like, when he's saying, I m- I mean, I don't know all the details, but when you, when you're explaining all this stuff about, like, he almost gave up and tapped out because, like, yeah, he probably liked the hanging out part.
[02:24:25] He probably liked talking about life- Of course ... and feeling like- Yeah, of course ... "Oh, I'm, I know some shit."
[02:24:28] Eldar: Of course.
[02:24:29] Denis: With, um, we, we know some shit, you know? Like, meaning like I'm rocking with the guys that- Yeah ... that know some shit, you know?
[02:24:34] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:24:34] Denis: But then if you made no sales, and then that's also an hour later that's part of your day too, not just being a philosopher king.
[02:24:40] Mm-hmm. You looking at that same guy, Eldar, who's looking at- Mm-hmm ... you in the eyes, and he's like, "Yo, what's up?" And all of a sudden he's your worst enemy in that moment. Yeah. And how you, and then you tr- you gotta go back the next hour to buddy buddy. It's, it's you, you, you, it's a gift that you have. That's why people gravitate towards you.
[02:24:58] That's why people love you, respect you. Um, uh, d- d- dream about you three years later when
[02:25:05] Eldar: homosexual-
[02:25:05] Denis: Write letter. Write, write letters. Yes. Yeah. But nonetheless, it's very, very challenging. Like, you're building this dream, and only really two cats have been able to-
[02:25:14] Eldar: Well, the, the jury's still out on that.
[02:25:16] And I think the
[02:25:17] Denis: jury- So far have
[02:25:17] Eldar: been
[02:25:17] Denis: able to ...
[02:25:18] Eldar: is
[02:25:18] Denis: always
[02:25:18] Eldar: gonna be out on that.
[02:25:18] Denis: Yeah, but they've, they've done a pretty good job, right? Yeah. Everybody else you see is, like, this in and out, like- Yeah ... confused state. Like, 'cause if it, 'cause if it was as perfect as that, meaning, like, as easy as that to understand at all- Yeah
[02:25:30] James would be sitting here. Harris
[02:25:32] Eldar: would
[02:25:32] Denis: be sitting
[02:25:32] Eldar: here. But I, uh, but, but I think that-
[02:25:33] Denis: All these other people ...
[02:25:33] Eldar: but I think that everybody's trying to make an attempt at it for a reason. Like, if it was clear as day that, like, everybody should take your route and to say, like, "Don't mix business and pleasure or business and friends," and all that stuff, people would just stay away from it, but obviously people are gravitating towards it because they want the whole package.
[02:25:49] Denis: They want it, yeah. It's the, it's... Listen, in an ideal setting-
[02:25:51] Eldar: Right or
[02:25:52] Denis: no? ... it's great. Uh, you know- It's ama-
[02:25:53] Eldar: what you
[02:25:53] Denis: got is amazing.
[02:25:54] Eldar: Yeah, that's why my team- But- ... is small too, because it's a hard thing to build, right? Right.
[02:25:58] Denis: Totally. It's not fucking-
[02:25:59] Eldar: Absolutely. You know? Like- Yeah ... to be able to integrate with friends and business and everything to be jolly and everybody's growing and everybody's happy on all fronts, that's a difficult fucking task.
[02:26:08] It, it, yeah.
[02:26:08] Denis: Yeah, for sure.
[02:26:09] Eldar: You know what I mean? And-
[02:26:10] Denis: For sure ...
[02:26:10] Eldar: those who stick around, those, those who are still here, they're trying to get a crack at it. But, like, by no means is it, like, just smooth sailing, right, Mike? Like, it's totally, like, it's not smooth sailing. Of course not. It's, it's constantly, like- Mm
[02:26:21] figuring shit out, trying to make things right, trying to make things work. Yeah. Like-
[02:26:25] Denis: Yeah ...
[02:26:26] Eldar: you know? It's not easy.
[02:26:27] Denis: Yeah, no, for, it, listen, yeah, it's not. It's not.
[02:26:30] Eldar: No, yeah. I mean, it's
[02:26:31] Toliy: definitely not easy, but,
[02:26:32] Eldar: like- It's worth it. Yeah, yeah. For me.
[02:26:34] Toliy: That, that's what I was gonna
[02:26:35] Eldar: say- My testimony ... is that, like, you can't, like, like you- I would bring Philip back right now in a heartbeat.
[02:26:39] He comes with the speech right here. Yeah. He goes, "Yo, I got it. I got it. I, I finally got it. My head was somewhere else. The insurance shit, the acting shit, that shit is all bullshit. You gave me the real shit. I wanna do the real shit." I'll take him in a heartbeat, but give me that speech.
[02:26:53] Toliy: Yeah. Because
[02:26:54] Eldar: also remember-
[02:26:55] Toliy: Yes or no?
[02:26:55] Yeah,
[02:26:55] Eldar: 100%. Harris, same thing. Give me that speech. Yeah. I'll take him 100%. Nate, easy.
[02:26:59] Toliy: Yeah.
[02:26:59] Eldar: Like this. But, like, you have to see it. If you don't see it, then what do you want me to do? Yeah. I can't, I can't feed this shit to you. I can't fucking pull your arm and a leg and your tongue. I can't. You know what I'm saying?
[02:27:11] Yeah.
[02:27:13] Harris: No.
[02:27:15] Eldar: Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I think that's the dream.
[02:27:18] Denis: Yeah. No, listen, no question about it. You know
[02:27:20] Eldar: what I'm saying?
[02:27:20] Denis: No question about it. Yeah. Uh, the alternative is like I, you know, I could be, be honest. Um, there's no buddy-buddy in my company. There's no like, you know, like, it's just all business, it's all work.
[02:27:34] Yeah. You know, it's just, it's... That's just what it is, right? Like, um, to be able to achieve the combination of it all-
[02:27:41] Eldar: So you're giving me my flowers?
[02:27:43] Denis: Oh, of c- I always, uh, even when I don't want to, I subconsciously I'm like, "This motherfucker, you know, he wants me on this," you know? Yeah. delivering dreams. Or I'm looking at my, uh, you know-
[02:27:52] Eldar: Arch nemesis
[02:27:53] Denis: I'm looking at, uh, uh, my deals or I use HubSpot. I don't know if you, you... At one point, whatever. It's like you guys use Trello, I think, but like the way you set me up back then when I started working with you, the CRM and all this stuff, it's like set up in a similar way. And I was like, in the beginning, I was like, "Fuck."
[02:28:10] Like, you know, like, "No, do it a different way," you know? Yeah. Like, no, but I like this board, you know? Like, I want it this way. Like, everything was annoying me, you know? That was like... But then the irony is you look back and you're like, "Oh," like, you know, uh-
[02:28:22] Eldar: We were saying something.
[02:28:23] Denis: Yeah. You know? Yeah. That's like silly stuff, but it was always like, you know-
[02:28:28] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:28:28] Denis: I don't know what I was trying to say there but you get it, you know.
[02:28:31] Toliy: Yeah, yeah. I feel like for, like, a unit to be cohesive, like, um, not, like, no one person can put themselves above the cohesion. Yeah. And that's very hard
[02:28:40] Denis: to do. You know?
[02:28:41] Toliy: Yeah. 100%. But the problem is that everyone... Well, not everybody, but a lot of people wanna put themselves above the cohesion, right?
[02:28:50] Like, you know, Ha- Harris said that this would be undoable, you know? Mm-hmm. Philip didn't wanna, like, you know, fight for it or didn't wanna improve or I, I don't even know what, what he wanted to do, you know? Um, yeah. You know? Yeah.
[02:29:03] Denis: Like- I mean, it's, like, typical. Like, you take basketball, right? Yeah. Like, you gotta be for the team, right?
[02:29:06] Yeah. It's for the team.
[02:29:08] Toliy: Yeah, you know? So if- If you're not, you're gonna get
[02:29:10] Denis: exposed ... yeah, if you're
[02:29:10] Toliy: not... Yeah. If you don't have that kind of attitude or if you don't have that, um- It's not gonna work ... then, then yeah, it's not gonna work, you know? Yeah. And that, and that get, get, gets proven over and over again.
[02:29:19] Oh, yeah. It'll come out. You know? Yeah, like- You could hide only for so long. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, Nate, are you kidding me? Yeah.
[02:29:26] Eldar: What
[02:29:26] Toliy: a coward.
[02:29:27] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:29:28] Denis: Poor Nate, bro. So still give, still give- Fucking shit. Everything's Nate this, Nate that- Yeah, bro ... Nate that
[02:29:33] Eldar: I, I can't help it, man.
[02:29:34] Denis: If Nate's listening to this, fuck you.
[02:29:36] Fuck
[02:29:36] Eldar: you. Yeah. If Nate's listening to this, fuck you, Nate.
[02:29:39] Denis: God, damn, bro.
[02:29:40] Eldar: You know what I'm saying?
[02:29:41] Denis: You s- you, you, uh... He's never reached out, nothing in
[02:29:44] Eldar: all these years? Well, no, after that, that, that time. Yeah, but that was like- Yeah ... three years ago. No,
[02:29:48] but he's saying- I
[02:29:48] Denis: think I was still around for that.
[02:29:49] Eldar: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. After that, no.
[02:29:51] Mike: He called once in Hackensack and he came once- Yeah ... to Hackensack, right?
[02:29:54] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah, he did.
[02:29:55] Mike: Yeah. Yeah. Uh,
[02:29:56] Eldar: that's it. Mm-hmm.
[02:29:57] Denis: I, I think, I guess you told me about that at some time. I don't know.
[02:29:59] Eldar: Yeah, but, like, you know, cowardly.
[02:30:02] Lying and, like, deceiving, like, it's... What? Oh, I thought we were friends, you know? But that's, that was the play, to act, to deceive. Like, fuck that, you know? That's completely missing the fucking ship. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. Shameful to come back from that. 'Cause I, I'll, I'll sit down and say the same conversation, like, you know, like, my man, like, we're not friends.
[02:30:26] Who are you?
[02:30:27] Toliy: Mm-hmm.
[02:30:28] Eldar: Like, who's, who's presenting this right now? Do you have some other things going on, like, in the background, like, you know? I'm ha- I'm trying to have candid conversations, honest conversations, you know? Mm-hmm. That's why I'm okay with getting stabbed in the back, I guess. Mm. You know what I mean?
[02:30:43] 'Cause it's like a clean break. And I'm okay with it. But yeah. So give Asif some flowers, man.
[02:30:53] Denis: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, sure, yeah, no.
[02:30:56] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:30:56] Denis: I guess. Yeah. No, I mean, listen, I appreciate you guys, uh, hearing me out. I know it's, it's not easy to hear Dennis try to put to, put two thoughts together in a, in a coherent way.
[02:31:09] Um, yeah, no,
[02:31:11] Eldar: I- We're still learning how to communicate. That's good.
[02:31:13] Denis: Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah, you guys are... Miss you guys, you know? I got some good pizza spots to take you to, you know? Uh, but-
[02:31:21] Eldar: Yeah ...
[02:31:22] Denis: you know. I guess, I don't know. I don't know where, I don't know- So- I, I didn't have, like, an ending to this meeting.
[02:31:27] Yeah. Not, not ending, but, like, a-
[02:31:28] Eldar: Well, we have to do the survey around the room. We didn't-
[02:31:30] Denis: We didn't map it out ... Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, it's like it's one of those... I also, that was one of the hesitancies is, like, obviously gonna, you know, the verdict is out, you know? Mm-hmm. Like, just what he said, honeymoon.
[02:31:39] I, I knew- Yeah ... you know, what was... And he's, and that's true, you know? I, I... That's why it's like, you know, it's... My whole thing was just I, I just was like, "Fuck it. Let me, let me just be honest, and, and I got love for you guys." And, and, and even this, like, it feels-
[02:31:53] Eldar: Feels home ...
[02:31:54] Denis: it feels like we, you know, like- Yeah
[02:31:55] just, we never left. You know what I mean? That's natural. Exactly. Like, you- Yeah ... you guys are my, my, my, my family to me. Uh, you know, and so that's, that's, that's it. I don't have no- You know.
[02:32:04] Eldar: Look-
[02:32:05] Denis: I don't know what, what happens, you know, but-
[02:32:07] Eldar: Yeah, I think that it's only fair that we start with Brother Toliy.
[02:32:10] Toliy: Well, first you have to play the, play the thing. But, but he has to put on the headphones first.
[02:32:14] Eldar: Yeah. Which ones? Which one were you saying? The whole thing? Yeah,
[02:32:15] Toliy: the Brother Toliy thing. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait,
[02:32:17] Eldar: wait. Hold on, let me bring... Yeah, let me bring-
[02:32:18] Katherine: He knows of it. He mentioned- You know it, then? ... it earlier.
[02:32:21] Yeah, he mentioned Brother Toliy.
[02:32:22] Eldar: Yeah, I mentioned it. I
[02:32:23] Katherine: heard it. Yeah. Oh, you heard
[02:32:24] Eldar: the thing?
[02:32:24] Katherine: He did hear it.
[02:32:26] Eldar: All gather 'round now.
[02:32:29] Brother Toliy intro: Oh, gather 'round now for Eldar and for Mike. And listen to the words from our dear Brother Toliy. From the Dennis Rocks! podcast. Dennis Rocks! podcast. A comfort to the soul. Even my family can't even...
[02:32:51] They don't know my name, bro. Their profound insights make our weary spirits whole.
[02:32:59] Eldar: So we had a weary spirit,
[02:33:00] Toliy: Toliy. Yeah.
[02:33:01] Eldar: Okay. Wow. What are we doing? Weary spirit.
[02:33:06] Toliy: On, on, on what? Like-
[02:33:08] Eldar: Come on
[02:33:09] Toliy: No, I, look, I, I think you did well
[02:33:12] Eldar: You did well.
[02:33:12] Toliy: Yeah. For now.
[02:33:14] Eldar: Yeah. You know? I appreciate that. Yeah. You, you went, you went easy
[02:33:17] Toliy: on me,
[02:33:17] Eldar: you
[02:33:17] Denis: know?
[02:33:17] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree with you, obviously. Yeah. Obviously. But I think that, uh, what, what do I expect? Obviously, if we, you know, get back together, quote-unquote, "like a boyfriend and girlfriend"- ... I expect the same thing where we left off. We're gonna argue, we're gonna disagree, but we're gonna have fun.
[02:33:33] Denis: Yeah.
[02:33:33] Eldar: You know what I'm saying?
[02:33:34] And, and we're gonna push him, you know what I mean? Yeah. And I'm not sure if he's gonna be able to push us, because I think our th- our skin is still thicker than his. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. And I think that we're gonna get under his skin, and I think he knows that, and if that's what he's coming back for, I'm definitely open for it.
[02:33:51] But with the fact that maybe he understands the intentions now, he understands that it's a unit, and if he's integrating it, he's contributing to the unit's growth, strength, and we continue journey life together and fuck shit up together. That's how I see it, and I'm for that. Yeah.
[02:34:09] Denis: I like it.
[02:34:10] Eldar: You do.
[02:34:11] Denis: Yeah.
[02:34:11] Eldar: You see? He likes it.
[02:34:13] Denis: Yeah. No, I appreciate it, for sure. That's
[02:34:14] Eldar: all I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? That's, that's my honest opinion. I don't have, like, uh, you know, like, a... I don't have reservations. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, if he's comes correct, if he seems to come correct, and he's, like, understanding the plot, the point, or the intention, then why not?
[02:34:28] Denis: Yeah.
[02:34:29] Eldar: You know what I'm saying? Like- I also... Yeah ... he's learned a lot. I would love to learn, uh, the three years, about the three years. He would love to learn about all the three years that we've got going on. Mm-hmm. We've, we went through a lot.
[02:34:38] Denis: Yeah.
[02:34:38] Eldar: You know what I'm saying? Like I, I think we can fuck shit up together and continue to fuck shit up until he maybe loses his way again.
[02:34:46] Yeah. Which is okay.
[02:34:46] Denis: No, but I also, I think, uh, and I appreciate all that for sure.
[02:34:49] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:34:50] Denis: And even the, you know, that you're open to it a- a- and extending your hand. Uh, I also, I just, uh, I think what, what's, what's nice is I don't, I don't... I wanna make sure I say this correctly and not, like, sound like, like, weirdly arrogant or something.
[02:35:07] Like, I don't need nothing from nobody.
[02:35:09] Toliy: Mm-hmm.
[02:35:09] Denis: Like, I'm here just f- you know, for f- for the understanding of, like, oh man, like those, those, those guys were my homies. You know what I mean? Like that we're brothers, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Like w- that's sad that that ended- Mm-hmm ... kind of a thing. I think over those years, and even if you mention some of the- Wait,
[02:35:26] Eldar: you're not here for the sadness thing?
[02:35:28] Like-
[02:35:29] Denis: No, no, no.
[02:35:30] Eldar: No. Like, I- It's- Yeah.
[02:35:31] Denis: And what I'm saying is, like, that's why I'm saying about the working or, like he mentions, like these other guys, when you still got something that's like, like you, you're, you, we... When I'm working for you, I can still kinda use you. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? Like, in a w- in a, in a weird way, like, uh, or, or when I'm, when I'm going through bad relationships-
[02:35:53] Eldar: Mm-hmm
[02:35:55] Denis: I, I know I could call you any time of the night- Yeah ... and go over there, talk about Ida.
[02:35:59] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:36:02] Denis: Like I'm at... It, it just, it's just like a Like I'm not coming to... Maybe that's what I was waiting for somehow subconsciously. I, I'm trying to phrase it correctly without sounding like retarded, but like-
[02:36:14] Mike: Hmm ...
[02:36:14] Denis: uh, I, I'm not, I'm not here because I need you to, like-
[02:36:17] Mike: You're, you're not trying to be transactional anymore?
[02:36:20] Denis: Maybe, yeah. That, like, well, here,
[02:36:21] Mike: I'll let- Is that what you wanna
[02:36:22] Denis: say? I'll let you. I'll
[02:36:23] Mike: let- Yeah, like thank you. Help
[02:36:24] Denis: him out. Yeah, yeah. Like- Yeah ... like-
[02:36:26] Mike: Well, I was never transactional with
[02:36:27] Denis: you ... I know, but I was.
[02:36:29] Mike: Yeah, I know.
[02:36:29] Denis: And so was everybody. Yeah. Like, so were these cats- Yeah ... that he's meant. Like- Yes ... uh, e- they all got a similar- Yes
[02:36:34] cloth, right?
[02:36:35] Eldar: Yes.
[02:36:35] Denis: And maybe, maybe that's what, that's
[02:36:37] Eldar: why- And I hope so, but time will tell, D. What you- No,
[02:36:39] Denis: for sure. That's why- You know? ... I also don't care about that, where it's like- Yeah ... there's no, like, uh, shit we need to work or to-
[02:36:44] Eldar: I hope so. I hope you got that point t- too- Yeah, yeah ... you know what I mean?
[02:36:46] Because I think that you're gonna take from our relationship, and we're gonna take from your relationship. That's just the way the dynamics are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's no- there's no fucking scoreboard to keep- Mm-hmm ... and a shot clock, you know what I mean? Like- Right, right,
[02:36:58] Denis: right,
[02:36:58] Eldar: right ... it never was about that.
[02:37:00] Denis: I, you know-
[02:37:01] Eldar: And I hope you grew past that, but we'll see.
[02:37:04] Denis: Yeah. No, the, the- You know? I, I'm coming back- Who's keeping score? I, I'm coming back only because- Yeah ... or, or he, you know, uh, came back to with the proposition is, is because of, uh, just on this, like, almost to, almost to come back and tell you guys like, "Yo, you guys, you know-
[02:37:20] the, the friendship stuff you gotta, you gotta, you had it figured out."
[02:37:26] Mike: Thank
[02:37:26] Denis: you. In case you wanted to know.
[02:37:27] Mike: Yeah.
[02:37:27] Denis: Well. The rest of the
[02:37:29] Mike: world. How did they, how do they do that? They give the flowers now, they do this or something? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that the new thing?
[02:37:33] Denis: I don't even know
[02:37:35] Mike: if that's a thing.
[02:37:35] I'ma, I'ma give him one of these. It's the
[02:37:35] Denis: Asian
[02:37:36] Mike: one. That's a, that's a Asian flo- uh, uh, heart. Heart. Yeah. I love you. What? It's
[02:37:40] Denis: easy. It's an Asian
[02:37:41] Mike: heart. You forgot?
[02:37:42] Denis: You don't know the heart?
[02:37:43] Mike: Yeah.
[02:37:44] Denis: Oh. I think I also took it for granted a lot. Yeah. Like we, we, we did so many years of this kinda, like, it was regular life, and then, like, you take it for...
[02:37:52] Like I was saying, you take, you take those little things for granted of just, like, ... ... you know what I mean? And just like having- Yeah, of course ... having... You know what I mean? Like- The
[02:37:59] Eldar: whole dynamic is like the- Yeah ... the thing.
[02:38:02] Denis: Yeah. And some of that dynamic is sometimes- Yeah ... uncomfortable.
[02:38:04] Eldar: Yes. That's what I'm saying.
[02:38:06] Denis: But it's part of the fun of it. You know what
[02:38:07] Eldar: I mean?
[02:38:07] Denis: Like-
[02:38:07] Eldar: Yes, of course. Yeah. It's part of the challenge. Yeah. It's part of the thick skin. It's part of growth. Yes. So- And nothing's wrong with it. And people, the faster people understand the intention behind it, the more they'll take from it.
[02:38:17] Denis: Yeah. But you do a good job of, like, gatekeeping it, meaning like to- What do you mean gatekeeping it?
[02:38:20] marketing it as, like-
[02:38:22] Eldar: As what?
[02:38:23] Denis: Like, you know, like we're the shit, like fuck everybody- We are
[02:38:26] Eldar: the shit ...
[02:38:27] Denis: you know? Fuck everybody else.
[02:38:27] Eldar: I, but I really believe that. I know, but- And I think that if you're part of it, you're part of that, this shit because-
[02:38:33] Denis: But then it makes it look arrogant versus- Mm ... then it's hard for the people outside looking in- No, no
[02:38:36] to, like, take it as
[02:38:37] Eldar: like- But listen ... for what it is ... I didn't become, if I became arrogant, it's because of you guys, because you guys- ... gave him the flowers now to say, like, "Elder got something figured out." Yeah, I'm throwing that back on you. Yeah, I got everything figured out. Fuck you guys. 'Cause you, you did this-
[02:38:49] Denis: Yeah
[02:38:49] Eldar: then. But no, it's our shit. You know what I mean? And we're the best at it, and I believe it. What, no, babe?
[02:38:58] Denis: Yeah.
[02:38:58] Katherine: I'm with you, babe.
[02:38:59] Eldar: There you go. We load it with banana clips.
[02:39:01] Denis: You r- you, you rode with this guy through thick and thin, huh? All these people, all his b- uh, b- side boyfriends came in and out
[02:39:09] Katherine: to do it That's right.
[02:39:10] He's mine and, and I'm his.
[02:39:11] Denis: Yeah.
[02:39:13] Katherine: Yeah.
[02:39:13] Eldar: You guys roll together. Absolutely. Well, because sh- uh, the, you know, when I fell in love with her and I, I s- gave her my spiel, my elevator pitch, she got it. Like, she understood it. You know what I mean? And that's all I needed. She understands it. I think that when she tunes in and she pays attention, she understands and she rolls with it, even though she's having a hard time implementing some of this stuff because she's scared still, but-
[02:39:32] Denis: Yeah
[02:39:32] Eldar: she's been doing better.
[02:39:33] Denis: Yeah, you guys were, you're an inspiration for a lot of people, you know? A lot of people base their relationships off you
[02:39:42] Eldar: two.
[02:39:42] Denis: I didn't even know. Yeah. Yeah. That's
[02:39:44] Katherine: sick. That's interesting. Yeah.
[02:39:45] Eldar: Good.
[02:39:45] Katherine: Well, thank you. I mean-
[02:39:46] Denis: Yeah ...
[02:39:46] Katherine: yeah, you, you- It's a compliment ... you've always complimented our relationship. Of course. You always
[02:39:49] Eldar: did.
[02:39:50] Katherine: Yeah. And, uh- Oh, yeah. That I did, yes. Yeah ... it's nice to know that, like, you know, I'm over here living my life the best way I possibly can, which is, uh, with a lot of flaws.
[02:39:58] You know, I, I try, but-
[02:39:59] Denis: Yeah ...
[02:40:00] Katherine: um, I'm, I'm, I'm flawed. But, you know, to see that, like, somehow I have, um, inspired or, or made a, like a positive impression on someone, it-
[02:40:09] Denis: Yeah ...
[02:40:10] Katherine: it feels very nice. It's a little humbling, you know?
[02:40:12] Denis: For sure.
[02:40:12] Katherine: So-
[02:40:12] Denis: Yeah,
[02:40:13] Katherine: 100%. Yeah ...
[02:40:14] Denis: thank you for saying that. All those... Again, I, I got my version, right?
[02:40:16] Like, uh, if I, if I, if... When I catch, uh, these guys up on some of the- Yes ... they'll be like, "Wow, like, yo, this guy's still a knucklehead," or whatever. Yeah. But to me, I see it as, like, even the slightest of, like, it was inspired. It may not be his way, but it was inspired by that. Mm-hmm. And even in the relationships- Power,
[02:40:34] Eldar: powered by elderism,
[02:40:36] Denis: baby.
[02:40:36] Powered by... Yeah. Mm. I was, there was so much, so many years I would just, like- W- well, you and Catherine, how about this or how about that? You know, you like- Mm-hmm ... it's too much almost, right? Like, you'd be like, you know, all these g- But he would share so much about you and about, in those early days, 2012, thir- 13, 14, like how you guys, you know...
[02:40:55] Back then, I didn't even know what love was, and you, y- you're just getting insight from this older guy about the older
[02:41:02] Katherine: boy, you know? I, I think that's what kick starts the curiosity, right? Yeah. Like, something that sounds so amazing, you're like, "Wait a minute. I need to like... I want, I need to experience this, too."
[02:41:09] Yeah. You know?
[02:41:10] Denis: He would tell... This was like you guys just two years in, three years in, four. He would describe the feelings and how w- how it is and what it means and, and the hard moments and the sitting outside the apartment door in Queens him. Mm. You know, like, I remember all this shit, you
[02:41:23] Brother Toliy intro: know? Oh, I forgot.
[02:41:24] Wow.
[02:41:24] Denis: Yeah. So yeah, you, you- Oh ... a lot of inspira- It's funny how people rub off, and it's funny how many people don't come back and share the stuff, right? Like, when I'm saying like, "Oh, I'm thinking about you and this stupid thing." Yeah. I'm totally about my, my, my thing. But how many people probably you don't hear those stories, but we do influence, right?
[02:41:40] In one way or another.
[02:41:41] Eldar: Of course. Of course. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And that's what we started this podcast on- Yeah ... is about planting the seeds out there, and over time they grow, and you never know when, what, how it's gonna come back. But- Yeah ... things do come back, especially if they're rooted in truth. And if we're talking about an objective truth that's like Toliy said, the fire in the middle, and everybody's warming up their hands and their paws and their feet on them, then that's great.
[02:42:04] Toliy: Guys, sorry, I have to go.
[02:42:05] Eldar: Yeah?
[02:42:06] Toliy: Yeah, this is, like, she's freaking out.
[02:42:08] Eldar: Somebody shit the bed?
[02:42:09] Katherine: What happened?
[02:42:09] Toliy: Uh, Jackson, her boyfriend, my sister's boyfriend-
[02:42:12] Eldar: Uh-huh ...
[02:42:12] Toliy: he went with the dog into the woods.
[02:42:14] Eldar: Oh my God.
[02:42:15] Toliy: And with, like, two of his friends, and they went kayaking, and they're, like, completely lost. They have no idea where-
[02:42:19] Eldar: Get the fuck out of here
[02:42:20] Toliy: they're going. Like, so, like, my sister can't get out of work. She's, like, freaking out.
[02:42:23] Eldar: Holy shit. Okay. So
[02:42:24] Katherine: I'm
[02:42:24] Toliy: gonna go- ... go find them
[02:42:26] Eldar: You're gonna go find them? Yeah.
[02:42:27] Katherine: Well, uh, she-
[02:42:28] Eldar: Do you need help? Did, did she- Is this, like, a fucking team effort type shit? Well, I
[02:42:30] Toliy: don't know. No, they, they told me, like- ... they get service in and out, and one person has, like, 19%- I mean-
[02:42:36] battery,
[02:42:37] Eldar: you
[02:42:37] Toliy: know?
[02:42:37] Eldar: So
[02:42:37] Toliy: I'm- ... he's sending me- If Toliy goes into the woods
[02:42:38] Eldar: to find them, he's gonna get
[02:42:41] Toliy: lost ... he's sending me- Toliy, you're gonna get- You guys gotta, you guys have to go with him ... he's sending me like a pin, you know? So, like, to go there, you know? But-
[02:42:45] Katherine: Well, did, did
[02:42:46] Eldar: she- But your sister's with them, too.
[02:42:47] Toliy: No, my sister's at work. Oh, she's at work. Yeah.
[02:42:49] Katherine: Did, did the- Okay ... like, any kind of authority need him? All right, do you need us or no? 'Cause if not- Just answer the question 'cause this is confusing as shit ... so maybe, like, professionals need to go
[02:42:55] Toliy: Go try and then, like-
[02:42:56] Eldar: Okay, cool ... text me
[02:42:57] Mike: or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:42:58] I don't know. But if you go try it, you don't come back. Behind Memorial Pool?
[02:43:01] Eldar: Uh, what? Are
[02:43:01] Mike: they in the woods behind Memorial Pool or something? Yeah. Like, what are we talking about? Like, this guy's not so bright. We get it, but-
[02:43:07] Eldar: Yeah Yeah, yeah. Yo, no lie, man. Okay, all right, all right. But
[02:43:10] Katherine: also, like, think about, uh-
[02:43:13] Eldar: Is it welcome back or no?
[02:43:14] Katherine: alerting. Yeah,
[02:43:15] Eldar: welcome back. Look at that, man. Wow. He's, he- D, you turned a new leaf ... over the door for us. Wait, wait. No, wait, wait, wait, wait. But you forgot one thing. We have an event tomorrow.
[02:43:22] Toliy: What? Oh, yeah, D. Um, um, if you want, you could bring a bunch of things so, like, we pay it back or something, but
[02:43:30] Denis: tomorrow's the- Yo, I'll be there.
[02:43:31] Eldar: That's it. Yeah?
[02:43:31] Denis: Your house? Yeah. Wow, I haven't been to your house in years. Yeah.
[02:43:34] Katherine: Two years.
[02:43:36] Eldar: Yes. I'll be there,
[02:43:36] Denis: bro.
[02:43:37] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:43:37] Denis: That's it.
[02:43:38] Eldar: Yeah. All right. All right, cool.
[02:43:39] Denis: You don't, you don't get those kind of invitations every day. Yeah, yeah, you don't. It's pretty
[02:43:42] Eldar: fucking funny. You don't. All right, no, yo, good luck.
[02:43:43] Let us know, bro. All right, man. What the fuck?
[02:43:45] Katherine: I hope they let, like, park rangers know or some, somebody.
[02:43:48] Eldar: You need a flashlight? The, uh, phone. What?
[02:43:52] Toliy: The, this thing is, like, strong enough, you think?
[02:43:55] Eldar: What kind of phone?
[02:43:56] Toliy: Well, just, like, iPhone and stuff.
[02:43:58] Eldar: To
[02:43:58] Katherine: what? Toliy, can you do me a favor? I don't have an iPhone cable, bro.
[02:44:00] Is this for a car? Can you make sure-
[02:44:02] Toliy: Well, the, well, I'm just gonna plug- You don't have
[02:44:03] Mike: a wire
[02:44:03] Toliy: in your car? No.
[02:44:04] Mike: Okay, take the wire off my, on-
[02:44:06] Toliy: Yeah. Do, do you guys have a flashlight? Like, a physical one here?
[02:44:09] Mike: Mm-mm.
[02:44:09] Katherine: At home.
[02:44:10] Toliy: No?
[02:44:10] Eldar: At
[02:44:10] Katherine: home. Toliy, make sure that you alert some sort of park ranger, someone who knows what to do in, in these instances.
[02:44:15] Yeah. It's also nighttime. It's gonna be a lot harder, so- What a, what a phone call ... a professional-
[02:44:19] Denis: The big dog ...
[02:44:20] Katherine: you
[02:44:20] Denis: wanna- I know I ain't been around in a while, but- All right, guys ... I believe that you should go with your boy. Before you lose your boy. And,
[02:44:26] Eldar: and this is called unsolicited dentist advice.
[02:44:30] Katherine: We're, we're, we're not gonna see brother Toliy ever
[02:44:31] Eldar: again.
[02:44:32] Yeah. Well, Toliy better come back. I
[02:44:33] Denis: told you to go to the bathroom. That's, when see Mike's on the
[02:44:37] Eldar: stairs, they're gonna- He didn't have the
[02:44:37] Katherine: family though, that's why.
[02:44:38] Eldar: All right, he's gonna- That's why ... he's gonna get scared of us ... give us a call us in five minutes.
[02:44:39] Katherine: He's Father Toliy for his family.
[02:44:42] Eldar: He just locked us out the door.
[02:44:42] I know. Yeah, we'll, we'll
[02:44:42] Denis: unlock it. Oh, no, no, no. It's in Tony's
[02:44:43] Mike: room.
[02:44:44] Denis: I thought someone locked it. I tried to open it. No. It wasn't opening.
[02:44:46] Mike: Oh. Oh. No, I definitely didn't lock it. Oh, we have a key. We have a key. Oh, okay. That's not a problem. That's all. It'll cost, like, $1,000 for a maintenance call, but- ... we'll just pay it.
[02:44:54] It, it's okay if you did it. Yeah.
[02:44:55] Denis: No, I, I, I, I thought someone was in here- Yeah, yeah ... 'cause I just couldn't open it. I don't
[02:44:59] Mike: know. Oh, sorry, Oliver. You're
[02:45:00] Denis: good. Yeah. All right.
[02:45:02] Mike: Wow, D, all right.
[02:45:04] Denis: Yeah.
[02:45:06] Katherine: Never a dull moment.
[02:45:07] Denis: Yeah.
[02:45:08] Mike: All right. Well, the beast come back to life. Well, you know, it's funny that this is, like, the same timeline, right?
[02:45:13] As this, this girl thing too.
[02:45:15] Eldar: Yeah, it is.
[02:45:16] Mike: I was telling this story last time, last, last weekend I was telling the story.
[02:45:20] Eldar: Yeah, yeah.
[02:45:21] Mike: I was telling the story of my journey with the girls, talking about that moment of my time, right? Like, Anya, then Ira, then-
[02:45:28] Denis: Yeah ...
[02:45:28] Mike: these girls when I went on that. Just re- just recapping the story to, to my f- this new guy that we met, Billy, and his friend Greg.
[02:45:38] Okay?
[02:45:39] Denis: Just, uh, just for ref, can't wait to meet Billy and Greg, just by the names.
[02:45:42] Mike: You're gonna love them.
[02:45:42] Denis: Yeah. Just the fact that you found them.
[02:45:44] Mike: Of course. I mean-
[02:45:45] Denis: Well, you know Mike finds
[02:45:46] Mike: gems ... Mike finds the gems.
[02:45:47] Denis: Yeah,
[02:45:47] Mike: he does. So this last Saturday or Sunday, okay, I'm telling the re- the story recap, like, giving them a recap, kinda like, you know.
[02:45:55] Mm-hmm. That same week- Uh, I tell Elder the story that I was recapping to them, and I told, I told Elder, like I, I didn't tell her that she hit me up... Basically, she hit me up in October. We texted a little bit. She told me she's in a relationship, and that's it. I haven't heard from her in like 10 months now, okay?
[02:46:14] And then You hit him up on Sunday. She hits me up on Monday.
[02:46:19] Denis: Mm.
[02:46:20] Mike: With like, also again, out of the fucking blue. Yeah. I was just talking about her. You had a dream about each other. I was just thinking about her-
[02:46:26] Denis: Yeah ...
[02:46:27] Mike: telling all of the story, and then all of a sudden she hits me up, like crazy coincidence, and she's saying basically the same thing that you saying.
[02:46:32] Like- Like,
[02:46:33] Denis: she's sounding like, like normal?
[02:46:35] Mike: Uh, no, she sounds fine, but she's like, yeah, like-
[02:46:38] Denis: Normal. Well, 'cause back then she was- Yeah ... right? Like she was-
[02:46:41] Mike: No, she was- ... trying to hustle
[02:46:41] Denis: you ...
[02:46:42] Mike: sh- no, she was, I mean, she's still very materialistic. She said it. Right. Like, you know, she said, but she said all, like she- But you like,
[02:46:47] Denis: you like a good passion project.
[02:46:48] I
[02:46:49] Mike: like, I like, I like a little- Uh-
[02:46:52] Eldar: Mike the savior ... savior. Toliy, Toliy the brother, and Mike the savior.
[02:46:54] Mike: I, uh, she said to me, she said, "All that stuff you were telling me about before, like, uh, it finally clicked. It took me a long time." Wow.
[02:47:02] Eldar: Yeah. "
[02:47:02] Mike: I had to go on this journey for these..." Well, now it's almost f- it's probably f- close to five years journey.
[02:47:07] She's like, "Uh, you were right."
[02:47:08] Eldar: I came to the place where I
[02:47:09] Denis: found out that I
[02:47:10] Mike: was
[02:47:10] Eldar: all wrong.
[02:47:10] Denis: That's 'cause, that's 'cause Aeroflot don't fly out overseas no more, so they messed it up, bro.
[02:47:15] Mike: No, she lives in Du- They can't travel no more ... she lives in Dubai now, man. She- Oh, she does?
[02:47:17] Katherine: Wow. Well, that says, that's
[02:47:18] Mike: a big statement- She moved up, man
[02:47:19] Katherine: she lives in Dubai.
[02:47:20] Mike: She, she's seen the world already. That, that says a lot. She's, she's got all the toys, and she's like, "Yo, this shit's fucked."
[02:47:24] Denis: That says everything. And what, what does that mean? Are you, like, talking to her now, or?
[02:47:26] Mike: No, she's in a relationship still. Oh, wow. But the relationship is problematic.
[02:47:29] Yeah. She has problems. So, you know, like-
[02:47:32] Katherine: Is he an oligarch?
[02:47:34] Mike: He's some guy from Spain. He might be the Prince of Spain. The
[02:47:36] Eldar: Prince of
[02:47:37] Mike: Spain.
[02:47:37] Denis: Yeah, it's funny. Listen, I mean, that, that dream s- listen, like I...
[02:47:40] Mike: It's
[02:47:40] Denis: crazy, yeah ... that's cra- that's pretty wild. It's crazy. I, I would, maybe- It's crazy ... I don't know if you remember the day.
[02:47:44] I could probably r- I'll remember what day it was, and if it's the same day, that's weird. Like-
[02:47:49] Eldar: Oh, I think, I don't think it's- It was a c- I, I have bad memory, bro. It was a couple of days before you hit me
[02:47:54] Katherine: up. And you know what's funny? A coup- it was a couple days, yeah. You didn't mention it. You didn't mention that dream
[02:47:56] Eldar: to me.
[02:47:56] I didn't. No, I didn't. It wasn't a-
[02:47:58] Katherine: You, sometimes when you remember them, you, we talk
[02:48:00] Eldar: about it ... it was a very quick thing. It wasn't a conversational. Yeah. It was, like, him looking in into the podcast, like window or something, and, like, smiling or something. Or it was like a- That's so crazy ... it was not unpleasant.
[02:48:09] Yeah, no.
[02:48:09] Denis: This was, this, this dream was also, like, a five s- I, I, it was just us walking out of a room-
[02:48:14] Eldar: Yeah ...
[02:48:15] Denis: dapping up. Mm-hmm.
[02:48:17] Eldar: It, it felt energetic. I mean, you sitting here is surreal in my head still.
[02:48:19] Katherine: It's crazy, yeah. I think it sounds like you had deja vu. Yes. So when we part- Almost like that ... today, uh, you might not have- I'll be honest with you
[02:48:26] I get deja vu a lot.
[02:48:28] Denis: It feels like I, like that, I, may- maybe, maybe now, you know, you kinda just, like, anybody could draw anything once you're, once you're in this flow. But, like, it feels like it was, like, in this, like, over there somewhere.
[02:48:40] Katherine: Pay, as- It's insane, you know? Yeah ... after tonight ends, pay attention. I, I always, I always get that.
[02:48:44] Denis: It's cr- we, uh, Asli w- Yeah ... Asli likes this kinda shit. Yeah. She'll be able to explain it. I
[02:48:47] Katherine: love esoteric stuff- That's that Tara crazy
[02:48:47] Eldar: shit ... '
[02:48:47] Katherine: cause it's so
[02:48:48] Eldar: interesting. I'm,
[02:48:49] Denis: that's above my pay grade, bro. Yeah. I try to
[02:48:52] Eldar: keep it, you know, I have to l- Ja- James will explain it to us after you listen to this
[02:48:52] I'll have to,
[02:48:54] Denis: I'll have to Swamiji days, like- Yeah ... I don't, you know.
[02:48:56] Eldar: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
[02:48:57] Denis: You can't get me on a yoga mat no more, you know what I mean?
[02:48:59] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:49:00] Denis: But yeah.
[02:49:00] Eldar: All right, well let's wrap it up.
[02:49:01] Denis: Yeah.
[02:49:01] Eldar: Let's wrap it up. Yeah. Give me some
[02:49:03] Denis: final thoughts.
[02:49:03] Eldar: Brother
[02:49:03] Denis: Tolley needs
[02:49:03] Eldar: us. Bro- brother D.
[02:49:04] Denis: Yeah.
[02:49:04] Eldar: Brother
[02:49:04] Denis: D.
[02:49:05] Brother D. Get
[02:49:08] Eldar: on
[02:49:13] Denis: You see, I mean, we didn't really talk to, you know, you guys just had to listen to me ramble about it all. But I think there's, it's interesting about seasons of, of life and like Mike said in that last episode of like, just like, yeah, you know, you gotta go on your own journey and, uh, you know, and maybe I ha- maybe, like I said, I know I said I wish that I could change the way it happened Uh, but maybe it had to have, like Catherine said, maybe it had to happen that way, you know?
[02:49:37] Uh, I, I do feel, like I said, I feel like I filled my own cup a little bit. That's not to... I'm still the same, you know, I still, you know, uh, I still- Mm-hmm ... make silly mistakes and this and that, and I'm, uh, I'm still... You guys will, will- Of course ... definitely still think I'm pretty nuts.
[02:49:51] Eldar: Of course. Yeah. But,
[02:49:52] Denis: um-
[02:49:52] Eldar: We don't expect a lot of change.
[02:49:54] I mean, like-
[02:49:54] Denis: Yeah, the bar is pretty low. Yeah. But-
[02:49:58] Eldar: Yeah
[02:49:59] Katherine: See?
[02:49:59] Eldar: See?
[02:50:00] Katherine: You know how to make fun of yourself, too. For sure. 100%. Yeah. No,
[02:50:03] Eldar: 100%, I get it. Yes. And that's the whole thing. That's part of the fun. He- Yeah. Yes. It's part of the fun. I think that's important. That's important, too. Yeah. Yeah. He's, he's very open a lot of times.
[02:50:08] He's willing to share- For sure ... embarrassing moments of himself. He is. Yeah. But that's part of, like, the fun part, you know?
[02:50:14] Katherine: Yeah.
[02:50:14] Eldar: Yeah. And if you haven't been doing that, obviously you're gonna feel the hole, a void.
[02:50:18] Katherine: There's plenty of his past that he could have hid from us. Oh, God. Yeah.
[02:50:21] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:50:22] Katherine: If you're a judgment-
[02:50:23] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:50:23] Katherine: Yeah ... like, you know, I'm not gonna air it out or anything- Yeah ... but I'm just saying, like- Definitely ... you know, there's plenty of stuff that he could have hid from us. I mean,
[02:50:26] Eldar: we s- we already know all the dirty laundry. Like, how dirty- Yeah ... can it get, you know what I'm saying?
[02:50:30] Katherine: True.
[02:50:31] Eldar: Yeah. Like, it's just funny.
[02:50:31] Can't get any worse- Yeah ... than what we already knew. Yeah.
[02:50:33] Denis: Yeah. Yeah, no. We
[02:50:35] Eldar: knew some things.
[02:50:35] Denis: The, this three has been pretty tame compared to all that. Yeah. That was a wild, wild run I had.
[02:50:39] Eldar: Yeah. Yeah,
[02:50:39] Denis: yeah. But, uh- You had a good
[02:50:40] Eldar: run ...
[02:50:41] Denis: but yeah, no, I mean, you know. So I guess it all happens for a reason. I'm, I'm, I'm, I think it's a beautiful kind of thing.
[02:50:46] You s- I, I thought about what you said a long time ago. I don't know if you remember this. You said, um, we all knew each other in past lives or something like that. Mm. You know what I'm talking about?
[02:50:55] Eldar: Yeah, I do know what... Yeah.
[02:50:56] Denis: Uh- And we just reunited again.
[02:50:57] Eldar: Yeah, yeah. Uh, I, you know, I- Which is...
[02:51:03] Mike: I think about that a lot, too. Yeah. It's such a crazy thing.
[02:51:05] Denis: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, like I've, I'm looking at you right now and, like, like, you know... I, I... You see, it's like the ego kind of kills a lot of this stuff. You also said another thing a lot of times where you're like, "You guys never got to know each other," me and Toliy.
[02:51:19] Yeah. When I would, when I would complain about Toliy or complain- Yeah ... about him.
[02:51:21] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:51:22] Denis: And because there was- Yeah, yeah ... moments that, like, we had, like, some issues. I still remember one moment when I came to get the monitor. Remember this? Never mind. Whatever. I hope- Yeah, I remember when you came to get the monitor
[02:51:31] I hope Toliy doesn't close the door on you. And I closed the door on you. Yeah. Oh, you got very upset. I was never the same after that. I always looked at both of them, like, 'cause I remember coming to Asley. I'm t- I'm calling her in Austria. I'm like, "I thought these were my brothers, like, uh, I saw that moment."
[02:51:42] You know, I was
[02:51:42] Mike: following the rules, man. Yeah. You weren't allowed to come during office hours.
[02:51:46] Denis: Yeah. And then, and then somehow Tommy always comes during office hours.
[02:51:49] Mike: Tommy's adopted by us already- Yeah, so yeah ... for 20 years.
[02:51:51] Denis: Mm-hmm. But long story short is, uh-
[02:51:53] Mike: Tommy
[02:51:53] Eldar: can
[02:51:54] Mike: do no wrong. No. Like- Tommy can kill Toliy and get
[02:51:57] Denis: away with it
[02:51:57] like even Asley was saying- He's the golden child. I, I didn't mean to interrupt you. I was trying to-
[02:52:00] Mike: No ...
[02:52:00] Denis: just chime into that, where it's like even looking at you now, like, like you're my, you're my dog. You know what I mean? And you always been my dog, you know what I mean? We may have, you know- I think we alw-
[02:52:08] Mike: we always been, been each other's dogs.
[02:52:10] Mm-hmm. Yeah. And Asley was insane. But, but we were not ready to-
[02:52:12] Denis: Yeah ...
[02:52:13] Mike: to, to take that. We didn't ha- like I didn't have tough skin, thick skin, uh- Yeah ... compared to-
[02:52:18] Denis: Yeah ...
[02:52:18] Mike: three years ago- Three years ago, yeah ... compared to now.
[02:52:20] Denis: Uh-huh.
[02:52:20] Mike: Uh, totally different. And I would get upset, and I would... And I was a hypocrite, but I also don't Yeah, the big thing is we could talk shit about each other, and I think we'll continue to talk shit about each other, but we're not talking shit about each other to bring anybody down-
[02:52:35] Denis: Yeah
[02:52:36] Mike: or to make them feel bad. Yeah. We're doing it, one, for a laugh, and two, to bring awareness, and three, to hopefully help each other.
[02:52:41] Denis: Yeah.
[02:52:42] Mike: Yeah. And a lot of times- It's not a
[02:52:42] Katherine: behind-the-back
[02:52:43] Mike: kind of thing ... the person who's
[02:52:44] Katherine: sensitive- It's to the, you know.
[02:52:45] Mike: Yeah. Yeah, somebody who's sensitive, they only see what they wanna see, where it's like, "Oh, this guy's an asshole.
[02:52:50] He's not looking at himself in the mirror," and that's not it at all.
[02:52:54] Denis: Honestly said, she was like, "Yeah, I always liked Toliy. And yeah, like, Mike, I remember he went..." She would men- she mentioned this a couple times. Every time she would mention, like, a happy story, I'd be like, "All right, like, enough," like. Yeah.
[02:53:07] But re- in this week as we were reflecting about it, she's like, "Yeah, like, remember he even came over here. He would always be like, like Toliy cooked for us one time. And then Mi- Mike, you were there, too. And then Mike came over to our complex, to the apartment complex, and like hung out with us and like-" Yeah,
[02:53:21] Mike: went for a walk and stuff-
[02:53:22] Denis: Yeah, yeah, yeah
[02:53:23] and then chilling, yeah. And, and yeah, like we-
[02:53:24] Mike: I gave, I
[02:53:25] Denis: gave her cigs ... when, when we tr- what? Gave her ciggies. When we tried, ironically, when we tried to even form moments outside of the, all of our kind of like-
[02:53:34] Mike: Mm-hmm. Yeah ...
[02:53:35] Denis: you're with him, I'm with him, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. It, it was good. It's just, yeah- Yeah
[02:53:39] it was like, you know. Even Toliy, ironically, she would always say, like, "Yeah, did you, was it 'cause of Toliy? Did you..." Like, even though me and Toliy didn't work out on the sales stuff, I would always, even all these three years, I would say, uh, coming up to the end, I started, like, really, like he was growing on me.
[02:53:54] Eldar: Yeah, I remember you saying that, yeah. I,
[02:53:56] Denis: I did say that?
[02:53:56] Eldar: Yes, you did say
[02:53:57] Denis: that. I remember this, yeah. Up until the, so it was ironic. I remember this. This wasn't a thing where, like, I was coming out in a blaze of fury or something. Yeah.
[02:54:02] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:54:02] Denis: I was, I was genuinely starting to really like him.
[02:54:05] Eldar: Yeah. You, you started to pay attention to what he's saying and stuff.
[02:54:07] Yeah. You're
[02:54:07] Denis: like, "
[02:54:07] Eldar: Holy
[02:54:07] Denis: shit, like he's smart." But he also calmed down a lot. Yeah. Like, he was, he was, it was, he was, he changed a lot.
[02:54:11] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:54:12] Denis: He did, he did. Uh, and, and yeah, so like, you know. I think, and, and you always said, you always said, like, you just, you, you, you guys just don't know each other. Mm-hmm. Meaning me and Mike, me and Toliy.
[02:54:22] Yeah. Yeah. So-
[02:54:24] Eldar: I think that if you stick around, you'll hear also Mike's and Toliy's story, and how and what they did in order to kinda progress their relationship. And I think that they're going through a new season now too.
[02:54:33] Denis: Yeah.
[02:54:34] Eldar: If you like that word. If you want me to use that word instead of era. Yeah.
[02:54:37] They're going into the- Oh, yeah ... friendship era. Era,
[02:54:39] Denis: yeah.
[02:54:39] Eldar: You know, and it's, it's a very interesting how- Yeah ... certain things play out and, and why and how, and- Yeah ... what's the dynamics.
[02:54:45] Denis: Life, life is... Listen, from someone that, I just got back from out there. You know
[02:54:50] Katherine: what I mean? From the trenches.
[02:54:51] Eldar: Oh, it's a cold
[02:54:51] Denis: world out there.
[02:54:55] Eldar: It's cold out there, fellas. That's a good quote. It's cold out there, fellas.
[02:54:57] Denis: Uh, yeah, no, it's-
[02:54:58] Eldar: Well, welcome back.
[02:54:59] Denis: I appreciate it.
[02:55:00] Eldar: Welcome back. Welcome home.
[02:55:01] Denis: Thank you for...
[02:55:02] Katherine: Who has the song Welcome Back Mace or-
[02:55:05] Eldar: Yeah ...
[02:55:05] Katherine: from back in the day?
[02:55:06] Eldar: Yeah. Welcome
[02:55:07] Denis: Back.
[02:55:07] Eldar: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Listen, our strand- uh, what is it?
[02:55:09] Stranded, uh, s- son?
[02:55:12] Mike: Uh, stranded, stranded
[02:55:12] Eldar: son. Stranded son. Long lost grandson. Long lost stran- stranded son, you know, is back. Yeah. Um, if you're just chiming in now, we actually have Dennis on, and, uh, this podcast was named after Dennis. It's dedicated to Dennis. Fuck's sake. It's everything to make sure Dennis comes back- Full circle
[02:55:26] and finds us back, you know?
[02:55:28] Denis: As they said, it's like, wow, it's full circle. If you guys work out, like it all makes sense why they named it- I'm dropping
[02:55:32] Eldar: the N, bro. If, if you're giving me the green light, I'm dropping the second N. Yeah.
[02:55:35] Denis: To me, I'm, I'm here to still ask to remove the name and the face. I
[02:55:41] Katherine: don't wanna see my face all over town.
[02:55:43] Toliy: Holy
[02:55:43] Denis: shit. Everywhere, Catherine. Yeah. Everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. He puts it on every door.
[02:55:47] Katherine: I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, everywhere. Everywhere we go, yeah. Even still, he's done it so long. Even still, when he takes out that sticker and tags something, I'm still like-
[02:55:55] Denis: Babe ...
[02:55:56] Katherine: like, come on. E- you know.
[02:55:58] Mike: Are we 40 years old now?
[02:55:58] Katherine: Yeah. Yeah. 41. Yo, how old are you now? 41. 41. Wow. Soon to be
[02:56:02] Mike: 42. What about you? You 33?
[02:56:04] Denis: I'm about to be 32. Wow.
[02:56:05] Mike: Wow. 32.
[02:56:06] Denis: Wow, so young. You, when we, when we left, I was in my 20s.
[02:56:09] Mike: That's right. Yeah, sick.
[02:56:10] Denis: You know? That's
[02:56:11] Katherine: crazy.
[02:56:11] Denis: How old are you now?
[02:56:12] Mike: I'm gonna be 41 in October.
[02:56:13] Denis: Wow.
[02:56:14] Mike: Yeah. Yeah.
[02:56:15] Denis: Toliy's fully gray.
[02:56:16] Katherine: Oh, Mike, you look- That was brother Toliy
[02:56:17] a whole year younger. He's like his
[02:56:20] Mike: grandma. It has been a whole 41 already. A whole year, you're just turning. Uh, eight months younger.
[02:56:22] Katherine: Younger, yeah. Wild,
[02:56:23] Mike: yeah. Eight
[02:56:24] Katherine: months. Yeah.
[02:56:24] Mike: All right, Mike.
[02:56:25] Katherine: I'm close to 40, too, dude. What are your final... You done D? Isn't that crazy?
[02:56:27] Mike: You reach your, you, you 40?
[02:56:28] Katherine: I'm 30. I'll be 39 in February.
[02:56:30] You're still,
[02:56:30] Eldar: you're still
[02:56:31] Mike: in your
[02:56:31] Katherine: 30s. I'm close. Yeah. I have grays on my head now. You know?
[02:56:35] Mike: My final thoughts? Yes. Did you finish with your
[02:56:39] Denis: thoughts? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. I think I had e- Mike ... enough of the
[02:56:39] Mike: fucking microphone. Uh, I don't know. There's no words that, to describe the, the craziness of the universe.
[02:56:48] How it works. Yeah. How magical it is.
[02:56:50] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:56:50] Mike: And when it comes to anything.
[02:56:51] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:56:52] Mike: You know, like, uh, the, the design is unreal. Yeah. So I, I don't, I don't really know, uh-
[02:56:58] Eldar: But give it respect.
[02:56:59] Mike: Yeah, I give it crazy respect, and- Yeah, I mean, I'm happy that, I, I'm happy that he's back. I feel like we'll off- like we'll continue where we left off.
[02:57:08] That's right. There's no, like, awkwardness. Yeah. Like, again, the same, same jokes, same trolling, same having fun.
[02:57:13] Eldar: Yeah,
[02:57:14] Mike: 100%. Enjoying each other company. 100%. Like, that's it. Like, I could say like, oh, it's like, oh, you just- Yeah ... like he was out yesterday- Yeah ... and he's back today. Yeah. That's it, like- He didn't
[02:57:23] Toliy: feel like that.
[02:57:24] Mike: Yeah. He's
[02:57:24] Toliy: like, "It was only three years
[02:57:26] Mike: ago."
[02:57:26] Katherine: He said it's cold out there.
[02:57:28] Mike: It's
[02:57:28] Toliy: cold out there. Yeah. Holy
[02:57:30] Mike: shit. But I think the, and I think it feels like that- Yeah ... is because the truth. Yeah. It never comes anywhere, it never goes anywhere. It's eternal.
[02:57:35] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:57:36] Mike: It's, uh, like there's no words I can say to express how, like- Yeah
[02:57:40] unbelievable.
[02:57:41] Eldar: Yeah.
[02:57:42] Mike: Whatever the hell, the way the world works, the way- Yeah ... our lives transpire, we could have known each other from 5,000 years ago.
[02:57:49] Eldar: Yeah. And I think we did.
[02:57:50] Mike: And I think we came back and- Yeah ... we just keep coming back.
[02:57:53] Eldar: We keep... The magnets. Yeah. That's the whole theory. Another theory. Yeah.
[02:57:55] Soul magnets. Baby, my love, my magnet. What you got? What's your final thought?
[02:58:01] Katherine: I'm gonna,
[02:58:01] Eldar: uh- See, I told you that you can't miss this one. Yes.
[02:58:03] Katherine: No, I'm so, I'm gonna have to read it. And she's like, "
[02:58:05] Eldar: Yeah, I wanna do, I wanna come to the tape." No,
[02:58:06] Katherine: I- I was like, "She wanna come to the tape" ... I wanted to come today 'cause it's been, it's been a while, you know?
[02:58:10] Oh, you
[02:58:10] Eldar: don't come all the time?
[02:58:11] Katherine: No, I don't come every week. Um, and I had a, I had a rough week, and I just thought like, um, I just, I kinda needed-
[02:58:19] Denis: Yeah ...
[02:58:19] Katherine: I needed people and, you know. Um, I'm gonna go with one of Philip's quotes.
[02:58:24] Denis: Whoa. Whoa. Full circle. Yes. Philip. "
[02:58:27] Katherine: This is good stuff."
[02:58:29] Denis: Yeah. Yes. Remember? Yes.
[02:58:30] Katherine: Good stuff.
[02:58:31] Oh, yes. He would always say, "Good stuff." Good stuff, yeah. Um, I mean, I feel- You feel good about it ... I feel, I think you, you said it really well a few minutes ago when you kind of- Yeah ... you know, in a sense, said your fi- your final words. Mm-hmm. Whether it sticks or not, I hope it does. But, like, whether it sticks or not, just to see, um, s- growth and maturity and, uh, self-awareness is a big deal, you know?
[02:58:55] And I... Like, even when, when this happened, I wished you guys well. I, I, you know- Yeah ... I always thought, like, I hope Dennis and Asli do well. I had seen right before I, I think I... you know, we disconnected, that Asli was pregnant. I, you know, wished you guys well. But you know, it is really nice to be able to, like, be part of our lives again and, and share life and share good moments.
[02:59:16] Yeah. You know? For sure. So-
[02:59:17] Denis: Yeah, I appreciate
[02:59:18] Katherine: that ... that's what it is. So, um, you know, I- Welcome back ... that's it. That's all I
[02:59:22] Denis: have to say. I appreciate it. Yeah, I- listen, I, I
[02:59:24] Eldar: appreciate it. Of course.
[02:59:25] Denis: I appreciate the welcome.
[02:59:26] Eldar: Of course. Yeah. Of course, D. I think that, uh, my final thoughts is gonna be, uh, y- don't underestimate the fact that I think that, uh, you know how Diddy had the key to the city?
[02:59:37] I think you always had the key. You know what I mean? And like, you just come to realize, like Mike said, like you always had the tool. You just had to go around to find the same tool. You know what I mean?
[02:59:46] Mike: Yeah.
[02:59:46] Eldar: And at some point you lost it, you dropped it somewhere. You went and got it, and I think that's, that's what it is.
[02:59:51] And we're, we've been here, we've been waiting. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I'm w- I'm, I'm glad that you're back, and that's how- Yeah ... I actually feel. Me too. I wouldn't fucking pump any smoke up your ass. You know I'm not that kinda guy. If we're gonna have static, we will have static, not a problem.
[03:00:03] Toliy: Yeah.
[03:00:03] Eldar: You know, I welcome everything.
[03:00:05] Toliy: Yeah.
[03:00:05] Eldar: Uh, but in the meantime, yeah, welcome back, bro. I appreciate that. I'm exci- I'm, I'm excited. I'm excited for, you know, continue to- Yeah, I'm
[03:00:11] Mike: excited to catch up.
[03:00:12] Eldar: Yeah, catch up and, like, see where you're at. Yeah. See where we're at and, like- Yeah ... keep it fucking moving and fuck shit up out there.
[03:00:18] Denis: Yeah. As my boy James Salazar would say, "That's love." Ah,
[03:00:22] Eldar: yo,
[03:00:22] that's love.